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[06:37] <goopypanther> hm, I'm guessing winds are taking b-64 too far north of shanghai and too far south of beijing to get any aprs coverage
[07:02] Nick change: Upu- -> Upu
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[08:04] <fsphil> hopefully japan will catch it
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[08:29] <fsphil> test
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[08:31] <UpuWork> .
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[10:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UKRHAB-2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=UKRHAB-2
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[11:00] <Laurenceb_> can anyone here help me with github?
[11:00] <Laurenceb_> im getting 403 errors trying to push
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[11:02] <mfa298> sounds like you might need to add authorization
[11:02] <nats`> works here
[11:02] <nats`> do you use a private repo ?
[11:02] <nats`> if yes be sure to configure it correctly sshkey vs password
[11:02] <mfa298> make sure the gh url is set to https://user@github.com/user/repo (the user@ is the important part)
[11:02] <edmoore> is this something that has previously worked?
[11:02] <mfa298> or use ssh and keys as that's so much faster and quicker
[11:03] <Laurenceb_> aha
[11:03] <Laurenceb_> fixed it with ssh
[11:03] <Laurenceb_> seems https is broken by my proxy
[11:03] <Laurenceb_> mfa298: yeah
[11:04] <mfa298> hmmmm, add easier instead of quicker (or faster) to my previous line
[11:04] <mfa298> brain isn't up to speed yet (or is running down for the weekend)
[11:04] <Laurenceb_> heh
[11:05] <mfa298> proxy shouldn't be doing much to https or you'de be getting cert errors all the time (unless you installed a special certificate on your browser to make it work)
[11:06] <cm13g09> morning mfa298
[11:07] <mfa298> morning cm13g09
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[12:22] <chris_99> hey, has anyone ever used something like http://plane.ardupilot.com/ on a plane strapped to a payload, strapped to a balloon
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[12:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPIC8 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC8
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[12:43] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: yes - it's not legal in some places
[12:46] <chris_99> oops 1 tick
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[12:46] <chris_99> is it legal in the UK
[12:49] <daveake> no
[12:49] <daveake> fails on "dropped under a parachute"
[12:50] <chris_99> say there wasn't a parachute ;)
[12:50] <daveake> That's what I'm saying; there needs to be one
[12:50] <chris_99> oh
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[12:51] <daveake> It's been done elsewhere ... Canada, USA, NZ, Sweden iirc
[12:51] <chris_99> is there no way you could get a around it by doing something like a paraglider
[12:51] <chris_99> type mechanism
[12:51] <chris_99> where it glides with a parachute that has props on
[12:52] <daveake> IMO, yes that'd be legal
[12:52] <daveake> er
[12:52] <daveake> Might still fall foul of UAV laws
[12:52] <Laurenceb_> ive dropped a "reinforced chute" before
[12:52] <chris_99> interesting
[12:52] <chris_99> reinforced?
[12:52] <Laurenceb_> http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/projects:ukhas_glider_project:pict7924.jpg?w=750&tok=e9b4e0
[12:52] <daveake> I can't see any legal issue with dropping a parafoil
[12:53] <daveake> IANAL ofc
[12:53] <chris_99> mmm
[12:53] <chris_99> cool Laurenceb_
[12:53] <chris_99> did it manage to return home?
[12:53] <Laurenceb_> no
[12:53] <Laurenceb_> the winch servo came unknotted
[12:53] <chris_99> alas
[12:53] <Laurenceb_> due to vibration during ascent
[12:54] <Laurenceb_> i underestimated the effect of vibration on knots
[12:54] <Laurenceb_> but it was in stable flight all the way down
[12:54] <Laurenceb_> and there were some periods where it maintained heading
[12:54] <chris_99> cool
[12:54] <daveake> I have a thing about always taping up knots
[12:54] <chris_99> i was wondering, would you make it do something like a spiral descent
[12:54] <chris_99> starting with large spirals
[12:55] <edmoore> why?
[12:55] <chris_99> to home into the right location
[12:56] <Laurenceb_> wut
[12:56] <Laurenceb_> i used an "optimised route planner"
[12:56] <chris_99> so to start with, fly as close as you want to the right location maybe and then spiral down i was thinking
[12:56] <edmoore> if you want it to go from point a to point b then why spital?
[12:57] <edmoore> spiral*
[12:57] <Laurenceb_> recorded horizontal wind during ascent, then ran landing prediction in reverse from the home location at each 200m incriment in altitude
[12:57] <chris_99> edmoore, i was thinking of spiraling when it's near the right location
[12:57] <Laurenceb_> then aimed for the point at the end of the prediction run, at the current altitude layer
[12:57] <Laurenceb_> running simulations over lots of flight datasets, 200m thick layers gave the best results for that technique
[12:58] <chris_99> aha cool
[12:58] <Laurenceb_> but of course you could go to Kalman filters and stuff
[12:58] <edmoore> this is details
[12:58] <Laurenceb_> but simple layer models and wind recorded during acent is pretty much fine for route optimising
[12:58] <Laurenceb_> according to all the sims i ran from past flights
[12:59] <Laurenceb_> it easily ran is a few ms on an atmega168 with the wind stored in eeprom
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[13:00] <mattbrejza> i looked at recording ascent wind to predict landing, works pretty well
[13:00] <mattbrejza> (the idea being you might not have internet in your chase car)
[13:00] <Laurenceb_> then PID control for the CoG shift steering, based off rate gyro and wind corrected gps velocity
[13:00] <Laurenceb_> ultra simple and worked really well in test flights off hills
[13:02] <mattbrejza> no second flight with the knots fixed?
[13:04] <Laurenceb_> work happened
[13:04] <edmoore> i must say that the final instance of the rogallo was a really lovely bit of work
[13:04] <Laurenceb_> now im too bored
[13:04] <edmoore> compared to the rather 'hewn' construction quality of the early mihabs too
[13:04] <Laurenceb_> thanks
[13:04] <Laurenceb_> heh
[13:04] <Laurenceb_> yeah i/someone should refly with better gps and stuff
[13:04] <edmoore> but you'd got a really nicely formed fuselage with an external power switch and charging port and it was all really quite lovely
[13:05] <Laurenceb_> it was suffering a bit from use of lassen iq
[13:05] <edmoore> yeah, the max8s to 18Hz now
[13:05] <mattbrejza> you could replace the gps with almost zero effort
[13:05] <edmoore> basically good enough for inputs into an imu without any zero order faffery
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[13:06] <Laurenceb_> nowadays you could go for a proper imu, but there is something appealing about an absolute barebones system - passive stability and yaw only control
[13:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03accord_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=accord_chase
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[14:06] <tweetBot> @daveake: The Superman launch, written up by Pete Wood of RS Components http://t.co/k1QUKqG4hv #UKHAS
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[14:22] <nats`> mouser publish his own CAD system made with NI
[14:22] <nats`> BlueSim
[14:23] <nats`> nodeso <= this is a spambot
[14:23] <nats`> sending crap in private message
[14:23] <nats`> Upu or admin :)
[14:23] <LeoBodnar> !upu
[14:24] <LeoBodnar> admin needs to upu the offender
[14:25] <nats`> maybe fsphil ?
[14:27] <nats`> [15:22:52] Session Ident: nodeso (freenode, nats`) (~nodeso@90.174.3.231)
[14:27] <nats`> [15:22:52] <nodeso> show gratis (solo hooy) --> http://linkremoved
[14:27] <nats`> -
[14:27] <nats`> [15:22:52] nodeso is ~nodeso@90.174.3.231 * nodeso
[14:27] <nats`> [15:22:52] nodeso on #highaltitude
[14:27] <nats`> [15:22:52] nodeso using leguin.freenode.net UmeƄ, SE, EU
[14:27] <nats`> [15:22:52] nodeso has been idle 0secs, signed on Fri Nov 07 14:48:37 2014
[14:27] <nats`> [15:22:52] nodeso End of /WHOIS list.
[14:27] <nats`> for when someone with admin access will be there
[14:28] <edmoore> you want nodeso kicked?
[14:28] <nats`> it's a spambot
[14:28] <nats`> so I guess it's a good idea
[14:28] <nats`> banned in fact
[14:28] #highaltitude: mode change '+o edmoore' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[14:28] <nats`> I guess it sends spam at random moment when you talk on the channel
[14:29] <qyx_> lets try!
[14:29] <nats`> I got the message exactly when I told about mouser cad system
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[14:31] <edmoore> hopefully that works
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[14:33] <nats`> cool thx :)
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[14:35] <UpuWork> cheers Ed
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[14:35] <UpuWork> also spammed me
[14:35] <UpuWork> stab stab stab
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[14:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HA90MRC/AM - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=HA90MRC%2FAM
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[15:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RA4NHY - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=RA4NHY
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[15:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03B-64 after 032 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=B-64
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[15:35] <x-f> !whereis B-64
[15:35] <SpacenearUS> 03x-f: 03B-64 is over 03China 10(37.6304,119.13) at 0312641 meters
[15:35] <staylo> Alright HYSPLIT, you win this time
[15:35] <x-f> fu nodeso
[15:36] <nats`> x-f he's no more here it's a spambot
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[15:36] <x-f> he is here
[15:36] <x-f> just spammed me
[15:36] <nats`> uhhh
[15:36] <nats`> edmoore
[15:36] <nats`> you forget to kick after ban :D
[15:36] <nats`> so the bot is still there spamming user
[15:36] <nats`> :D
[15:37] <edmoore> oh sorry
[15:37] #highaltitude: mode change '+o edmoore' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[15:37] <nats`> it's like being in the death row for him :D
[15:37] <nats`> some people says it's the worst part :D
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[15:37] <x-f> i'm not sure it had any feelings
[15:37] <x-f> thanks, Ed
[15:37] <lz1dev> !hysplit run b-64
[15:37] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Your job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
[15:37] <nats`> thx
[15:38] <edmoore> a while since i actively irc'd
[15:38] <edmoore> apols
[15:38] <nats`> no problem I guess people here are smart enough to not click on hot sexy girls link
[15:38] <nats`> :D
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[15:46] <mfa298> I think +b just stops them rejoining (and mutes them if they're in the channel) but it doesn't kick them out.
[15:46] <nats`> stop rejoining
[15:46] <nats`> only
[15:47] <nats`> to mute someone IIRC you need to put the chan in +m mode and only +v user can talk
[15:47] <Maxell> mfa298: yeah, thats why there is a /kickban command :)
[15:48] <Maxell> nats`: depends on the IRC-server. I think Freenode does not let you send messages to channels you are banned on.
[15:50] <Maxell> Or let you change your nick, etc/
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[16:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UR5FYG_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=UR5FYG_chase
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[16:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> I wonder if LeoBodnar backlog program is running ?
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[16:51] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[16:52] <mattbrejza> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FM0XER-4&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[16:52] <mattbrejza> oh ignore
[16:52] <mattbrejza> 58m/s
[16:52] <mattbrejza> its not hanging about
[16:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> 128mph
[16:52] <mattbrejza> well in the lateral direction
[16:53] <mattbrejza> i see its going to visit Dear Leader
[16:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> could probably measure the doppler shift on it!
[16:54] <mattbrejza> lz1dev: is it possible to disable the snus predictor for payloads that are floaters?
[16:55] <mattbrejza> as it always assumes its an up/downer
[16:56] <lz1dev> there isn't an option to hide
[16:56] <lz1dev> to disable, not sure
[16:56] <mattbrejza> does /mt fetch the prediction for each one? it could perhaps not fetch for payloads that it is set to hysplit?
[16:58] <lz1dev> it fetches all the predictions
[16:58] <lz1dev> it's not for each separately
[16:59] <mattbrejza> ok
[16:59] <LeoBodnar> B-64 flight doc seem to have expired
[16:59] <mattbrejza> is that why theres no backlog?
[17:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> actually its only been 2 days away so maybe its repeating previous path of the Med.
[17:05] <lz1dev> mattbrejza: i've pushed patch, it should hide regular prediction for vehicels with hysplit
[17:06] <mattbrejza> ah cool
[17:06] <mattbrejza> thanks
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[17:07] <mattbrejza> it has caused confusion before with people thinking its about to burst
[17:08] <lz1dev> well nobody thought that someone would launch a balloon that would float
[17:08] <arko> well hello there B-64
[17:09] <arko> amazing
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[17:17] <SpeedEvil> Aww - it'll misssouth korea - it's been to NK before
[17:18] <mattbrejza> its been over a little s.korean island though
[17:18] <mattbrejza> not sure if thar counts
[17:18] <SpeedEvil> hmm
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[18:34] <DL7AD> !hysplit B-64
[18:34] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141107-16_165165_B64.gif
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[18:52] <Upu> test
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[18:54] <fsphil> may as well do the nick too
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[18:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LW2DTZ - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=LW2DTZ
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[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> hm german TV just had a youtube video about a HAB funeral service
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[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> strange
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[20:51] <LeoBodnar> did they bury a balloon?
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> no they send up the ash of a person
[20:53] <nats`> oO
[20:53] <nats`> is it even legal ?
[20:53] <nats`> oO
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> good question, one moment
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[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> only in america: http://www.mesoloft.com/
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[21:38] <arko> im pretty sure thats illigal Lunar
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> I think so too
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[21:47] <Upu> Steve has one done in the UK
[21:48] <edmoore> baader meinhof
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[21:50] <edmoore> ashes and spaaaaaaaaace
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[21:51] <edmoore> there is a thing in british english at least called the baader meinhof effect
[21:51] <edmoore> i don't think it has anything to do actually with baader meinhoff
[21:53] <edmoore> i'm not sure if it's a thing in german, but to us it's where you come across something for the first time (or at least the first time in a long time) and then suddenly it keeps popping up everywhere
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> yea might have a connection to these people
[21:54] <Laurenceb> you are on your way to the bank and everything is fine
[21:54] <Laurenceb> then suddenly theres a kinetic energy penetrator through the side door every day
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
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[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
[22:54] <fsphil> nnll
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[23:35] <Laurenceb__> B-64 backk
[23:36] <Rebounder> once more
[23:36] <mattbrejza> !whereis b-64
[23:36] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: 03B-64 is over 03Sea of Japan 10(41.116,138.5546) at 0312621 meters
[23:37] <Rebounder> should be a prize to pass over best korea multiple times
[23:40] <Laurenceb__> www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJMUkLTBXEk
[23:42] <Rebounder> :)
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[23:44] <Laurenceb__> wonder if there are any log positions
[23:46] <LeoBodnar> coming
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