highaltitude.log.20141105

[00:00] <fsphil> very heavy too, but it was warm
[00:00] <fsphil> if it wasn't for all the deadly animals it would be lovely :)
[00:00] <joeman> yes
[00:00] <joeman> rain cools things down
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[00:00] <joeman> and the tropical diseases : )
[00:00] <fsphil> ...
[00:01] <fsphil> nobody told me about those
[00:01] <Ian_> I have certainly noticed the drop in temperatures today.
[00:01] <fsphil> I meant to head north and visit Cooktown
[00:01] <Ian_> What with the ticks etc. I can see why it's empty
[00:02] <fsphil> I'm from somewhere called Cookstown and we used to laugh at the place on the other side of the world that spelled the name wrong
[00:02] <joeman> Dengue fever
[00:02] <joeman> TB
[00:02] <joeman> anyhow
[00:02] <Ian_> joeman, you don't work for the tourist board do you ?
[00:02] <joeman> proably should do some work
[00:02] <fsphil> lol
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[00:02] <fsphil> suddenly reminded of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy_TB6onHVE
[00:04] <Ian_> lol
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[00:10] <gonzo__> I bet the kids go around and mod the second 'o' on the road signs phil
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[00:19] <fsphil> hah, not yet
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[00:37] <Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5b_AshkBOM
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[00:56] <lw2dtz> hi
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[07:19] <Oddstr13> http://puu.sh/cDZpn/15cb992aea.png AM voice, Airband, right?
[07:22] <Maxell> Oddstr13: yes, 118,6 MHz
[07:23] <Maxell> http://qrg.globaltuners.com/?q=118.6
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[07:25] <Mark_B> Hi. I've uploaded a flight doc in habitat genpayload, may I request authorisation please. My intent is to launch this Saturday 8 Nov from Deffod, Worcs. This is my first launch. Thanks
[07:27] <Oddstr13> I'm finding real signals ^.^ I'm getting better at this! :D
[07:27] <Maxell> Mark_B: check on #habhub - they will aprove your flight doc
[07:28] <Mark_B> Rgr, thanks
[07:28] <Maxell> Oddstr13: once you know where to look you'll be amazed about the amount of wireless activity
[07:28] <Oddstr13> Maxell: I know :D
[07:29] <Oddstr13> It's just that I'm sitting with just a crappy RTL-SDR :P
[07:29] <Oddstr13> there's noise all over the place
[07:29] <Maxell> Oddstr13: checked amateur radio frequencies around 144 to 146 Mhz and 430 to 440?
[07:29] <Oddstr13> not yet
[07:29] <Oddstr13> but I did find my wireless keyboard in the 27MHz ISM band :P
[07:30] <Maxell> There might be repeaters nearby and in range. They take the signal from a portable or mobile amateur radio station and transmit it again from somewhere high
[07:30] <Maxell> ah, yes those will sure make some nice bumps in the waterfall
[07:31] <Oddstr13> I know there's a repeater here somewhere, the power company uses one
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[07:33] Action: Oddstr13 goes to find the wikipedia article on amateur radio
[07:34] <Oddstr13> 2m band and 70cm band?
[07:35] <UpuWork> 144Mhz and 434Mhz
[07:35] <UpuWork> probably more on 144Mhz
[07:37] <Oddstr13> can't see anything but noise :P
[07:37] <Oddstr13> http://puu.sh/cE08i/98aee4eb6c.png
[07:38] <Oddstr13> I probably should see if i can find clamp-on ferrite beads for my USB cable
[07:39] <Oddstr13> I have those lines all over the place
[07:41] <Oddstr13> oh, and 434MHz is also ISM band
[07:41] <Oddstr13> that's where the weather sensors and that stuff live :P
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[07:48] <Oddstr13> http://puu.sh/cE0vv/7873807e06.png sounds kinda like rtty
[07:52] <Oddstr13> too much fading for decoding tho
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[07:54] <Oddstr13> http://puu.sh/cE0IR/649a8bb1f1.png
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[08:06] <Oddstr13> have a callsign DB handy?
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[08:25] <Oddstr13> http://puu.sh/cE1NS/bbfbad290d.png what's this?
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[08:25] <SpeedEvil> Looks like a waterfall to me
[08:26] Nick change: jdiez -> Guest83384
[08:28] <Oddstr13> ha-ha, very funny
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[08:33] <fsphil> cylon signal
[08:34] <fsphil> not seen any like that before
[08:38] <craag> As long as he's not on the internet he'll be fine
[08:39] Action: fsphil digs out his old analogue phone
[08:40] <craag> I wonder if an rfc1149 connection would deter them
[08:40] <craag> (avian carrier)
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[08:46] Nick change: day- -> day
[08:48] <Oddstr13> http://puu.sh/cE2BI/11e172adb0.png
[08:51] <day> ive read about receiving satellite signals with dvb-t sticks yesterday :o
[08:51] <fsphil> looks like multipath fading
[08:51] <fsphil> on HF
[08:51] <fsphil> never seen it on VHF
[08:51] <day> of dead satellites. frickn amazing :o
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[08:56] <Oddstr13> fsphil: http://puu.sh/cE2RR/bd29a8ab26.wav that's what it sounds like on USB
[08:56] <day> ive heard a few older satellite transmission audio files. do current satellites still send data that slow?
[08:57] <Oddstr13> depends on the satellite I'd say
[08:57] <fsphil> there a satellites that still send CW
[08:58] <Oddstr13> nice
[08:58] <day> is it possible to listen to hubble transmissions?
[09:00] <fsphil> http://weebau.com/satellite/H/hst.htm
[09:00] <fsphil> telemetry signal on 2285.5 mhz
[09:00] <fsphil> can be as slow as 500 bps
[09:01] <day> how big does the antenna need to be? the guy who wrote the article used a frickn power line mast size antenna :P
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[09:01] <Oddstr13> 2GHz is too high for the RTL-SDR :P
[09:02] <fsphil> unlikely the signal would make much sense even if you could get it
[09:02] <day> apparently the tuner can be used up ti 2.1Ghz iirc
[09:02] <fsphil> worth trying. check when it passes overhead and listen out for it
[09:02] <fsphil> you'll spot it from the doppler shift
[09:03] <fsphil> whoa, it's nearly 25 years old
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[09:04] <SpeedEvil> tuners onthe dvb-b-t sticks varies
[09:04] <fsphil> 25 years in orbit in april
[09:04] <day> SpeedEvil: and im unlike to get an e4000 one :(
[09:04] <day> unlikely*
[09:04] Action: fsphil has two :)
[09:04] <Oddstr13> on the lower end, it drops out at a center freq of about 24.1 MHz
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[09:07] <day> is it possible to listen to decode ham voice communication with rtl-sdr as well?
[09:07] <day> one listen or decode to much :>
[09:08] <fsphil> yea there's a few amateur radio bands in range
[09:08] <fsphil> one around 50mhz, 70mhz (in some places), 145mhz and 430mhz
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[09:08] <Oddstr13> I've been having fun listening in the 12m band this morning
[09:08] <mfa298> mostly of limited interest most of the time
[09:08] <fsphil> some places have more
[09:08] <day> cb is out of range i take it? :(
[09:09] <Oddstr13> you might or might not be able to tune to it
[09:09] <fsphil> I think the US have a 200mhz band
[09:09] <Oddstr13> actually, I found CW down there
[09:09] <mfa298> there's also someting around 220mhz in the us I think
[09:09] <mfa298> day: I think that depends on the stick (and possibly location)
[09:09] <fsphil> you might also get something on 1.2ghz, but very very unlikely
[09:09] <Oddstr13> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio#Band_plans_and_frequency_allocations
[09:09] <mfa298> UK/EU most CB is around 27MHz which might be in range for some sticks
[09:10] <mfa298> you may also have some pmr/frs/lpd frequencies (often somewhere between 400 and 500mhz
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[09:11] <fsphil> you might also hear pirates (arrr) using old US military satellites
[09:11] <day> lol
[09:12] <fsphil> the old sats just relayed anything they hear, so people started using them
[09:12] <Oddstr13> day: I'm able to tune down to about 24.1MHz
[09:12] <day> seriously?
[09:12] <fsphil> yea
[09:12] <day> thats wow
[09:12] <fsphil> http://www.radiohobbyist.org/blog/?p=913
[09:12] <fsphil> satcom
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[09:13] <day> are people trying to hack those things as well?
[09:14] <day> stupid question. did anyone yet manage to crash one? :P
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[09:17] <Oddstr13> oh, fighter yet out playing
[09:17] <Oddstr13> what frequency should i look at? xD
[09:17] <Oddstr13> the airband?
[09:19] <mfa298> day: from that page and what fsphil said I think the satcom sats are effectivly just a radio receiver conneced to a transmitter, so what goes in one side comes out the other.
[09:19] <mfa298> not really anythign in there to hack / crash.
[09:20] Action: Oddstr13 cut his antenna in two
[09:20] <Oddstr13> random wire antenna ftw
[09:20] <mfa298> Oddstr13: if it's military they may well have their own frequency space (and potentially encryption) - they might have odd bits on airband somewhere as well if they need to talk to comercial aircraft / towers
[09:23] <Oddstr13> I guess
[09:25] <cm13g09> morning mfa298
[09:26] <day> mfa298: i thought the frequency space is rather limited due to the atmosphere
[09:27] <mfa298> day: depends what your doing
[09:27] <mfa298> morning cm13g09
[09:28] <fsphil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_window
[09:29] <fsphil> most of the normal radio spectrum isn't affected by the atmosphere
[09:30] <day> how old are these amplifier satellites?
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[09:41] <PE1BIA> what about VORTEX4?
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[10:37] <DL7AD> !hysplit B-64
[10:37] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141105-04_12437_B64.gif
[10:40] <Oddstr13> http://puu.sh/cE6q0/2463c2f383.png this looks like measurement of some sort :P
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[10:44] <lw2dtz> hi
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[10:50] <Mark_B> Hi, can anyone field a question regarding the spacenearus tracker, I'm hoping to use it this weekend? Thanks
[10:50] <edmoore> don;t ask to ask
[10:50] <edmoore> on IRC
[10:50] <edmoore> just ask
[10:50] <edmoore> if someone can answer they will
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[10:51] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[10:51] <Mark_B> Hi Ed. I've submitted a flight doc but it hasn't appeared on the tracker. I'd like to take my tracker for a quick test drive today to iron out any wrinkles. Have I missed something?
[10:53] <edmoore> possibly, the best place to ask is on the £habhub channel which administers such things as payload and flight documents
[10:53] <edmoore> and can explain the difference between them if that's unclear
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[10:54] <Mark_B> Rgr, thanks. I'll have a look for the channel. Thanks too for the advice you gave me on the UKHAS mailing list a few months ago.
[10:57] <edmoore> i hope i wasn't too rude
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[10:58] <edmoore> i don;t actually recall the specific exchange, that's just a general apology I issue when someone knows me from the mailing list
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[11:01] <Mark_B> Ed, you weren't rude at all; nor has anyone else. My post was as a newbie after some advice / assistance with ARDUINO code...... I've gone away done some research and learning and I'm good to go subject to spacenear us tracker / wind etc
[11:02] <edmoore> brill
[11:02] <edmoore> the rude thing was also slightly tongue-in-cheek :)
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[11:37] <Oddstr13> day: You where wondering if it was possible to receive CW with the RTL-SDR? http://puu.sh/cE8lK/516bd50354.png Receiving this at 28MHz
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[11:39] <day> i guess i have to buy one. sounds interesting
[11:42] <Oddstr13> http://hakshop.myshopify.com/collections/software-defined-radio/products/software-defined-radio-kit-rtl-sdr?variant=424034573
[11:43] <Oddstr13> I'm using one of these, except I bought mine on ebay
[11:43] <Oddstr13> Also, CW Skimmer truly epic o.o
[11:51] <gonzo__> except it is decoding CW
[11:53] <Oddstr13> gonzo__: it's epicly good at decoding CW
[11:56] <day> im gonna give the logilink in amazon a try
[11:57] <day> this one http://www.amazon.de/LogiLink-DVB-T-USB-Receiver-Multilanguage-Fernbedienung/dp/B002LLHXJW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415188599&sr=8-1&keywords=logilink+dvb-t
[11:57] <day> on amazon*
[11:58] <mfa298> day: unless it states it's using a suitable chipset I wouldn't buy that.
[11:58] <mfa298> you need a specific chipset for the sdr software to work
[11:58] <Oddstr13> do keep in mind that these cheap dongles arn't really designed for tuning so low
[11:59] <day> mfa298: it should. some comments say they use it for sdr
[11:59] <day> i also found it on multiple compatibility lists
[12:00] <Oddstr13> I'm able to tune down to 24.1 MHz center freq. YMMV
[12:00] <day> it doesnt use the e4000 tuner tho :/ but i cant find one that uses it in the EU. china takes 1+month
[12:00] <mfa298> fair enough, you can always try it and if it doesn't work use it to watch tv and try something different
[12:00] <Oddstr13> day: I got mine from china ^^
[12:00] <Oddstr13> slow, but nobody can compete with the price
[12:00] <day> true
[12:01] <mfa298> most of mine came from china as well
[12:01] <day> o0
[12:01] <day> most?
[12:01] <Oddstr13> lol
[12:01] <Oddstr13> how many do you have? :D
[12:01] <day> hes eating them
[12:01] <mfa298> I've got an early one with the E4000 and 4 others.
[12:01] <mfa298> not all in use,
[12:02] <mattbrejza> were the e4k ones better from a rf performance point of view?
[12:02] <mattbrejza> or just wider tuning range?
[12:02] <mfa298> but had them doing different things (sometimes trying stuff on pi's)
[12:02] <day> they dont have a midrange gap iirc
[12:03] <mfa298> e4k had a dc spike and were the original ones with the best range, I think the 420T is very similar in range and possibly no dc spike
[12:03] <mattbrejza> oh does the 420T sample at an IF?
[12:04] <mattbrejza> so has a single 6MSPS adc rather than dual 3MSPS ones?
[12:04] <mfa298> I might actually mean the r820t
[12:04] <mattbrejza> whichver :)
[12:04] <mfa298> there's a table of ranges on http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
[12:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UR5FYG_chase after 0316 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=UR5FYG_chase
[12:07] <mfa298> I can't remember if the dc spike was just fixed in software or if there was some change in the tuner that fixed it (or how)
[12:07] <mattbrejza> i think its the IF thing
[12:07] <mattbrejza> the e4k is zero-IF
[12:11] <day> those sticks have 6MSPS ADCs??????
[12:14] <mattbrejza> well dvb-t is 8MHz channels
[12:14] <mattbrejza> so the e4k ones are probably complex sampling 8MSPS ADCs
[12:14] <craag> mattbrejza: DVB is done internally though
[12:15] <craag> the raw samples are just for broadcast FM/DAB
[12:15] <mattbrejza> yea, but the ADC still has to be >*MSPS
[12:15] <mattbrejza> 8
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[12:16] <mfa298> could well be that the 2.5msps limit for the sdr software is down to the rtl2832 chip, and that there's much higher from the tuner
[12:16] <mfa298> im not sure where the dvb-t get's descoded on them
[12:16] <Lunar_LanderU> is that due to nyquist?
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[12:18] <mattbrejza> well the dvb-t decoder needs 8MHz of spectrum
[12:18] <Lunar_LanderU> yes
[12:18] <mattbrejza> but i guess they can only poop out 3.2 of that over usb
[12:18] <mattbrejza> as usb is shit
[12:18] <Lunar_LanderU> true
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[12:43] <Ian_> For SDR dongles in the UK CosyCave seems to be a reasonable source. They also have an ebay shop.
[12:44] <Ian_> In Gqrx there is a menu option to rid the spike in the middle of the screen. Something to do with DC offset perhaps.
[12:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MM - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=MM
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[12:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03accord_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=accord_chase
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[13:11] <ok1cdj> ga
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[15:11] <DL7AD> afternoon
[15:11] <ulfr> hi
[15:11] <DL7AD> did someone already control servos with the raspberry pi?
[15:17] <SpeedEvil> yes
[15:17] <SpeedEvil> eight million people
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[15:17] <DL7AD> SpeedEvil: yeah how?
[15:17] <ulfr> lol
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=how+to+drive+servos+with+the+raspberry+pi&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb&gfe_rd=cr&ei=sj9aVO3ICdOq8wfav4HYDQ
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[15:19] <DL7AD> well my problem of these standard solution is, that the timing is not accurate
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[15:19] <DL7AD> @ SpeedEvil
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[15:20] <SpeedEvil> https://pythonhosted.org/RPIO/pwm_py.html
[15:21] <DL7AD> SpeedEvil: the source code was unable to compile :/
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[15:21] <SpeedEvil> Well - you need to start out with pi dma
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> Or the PWM units, not bit-banging it
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[15:22] <DL7AD> SpeedEvil: PWM wasnt accurate as well
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> what do you mean by that
[15:23] <DL7AD> my servo is stuttering
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> do you mean even when static
[15:23] <DL7AD> yeah
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> Are you actuallyusing the hardware PWMs?
[15:24] <DL7AD> no idea. i'm using what's available in the library
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[15:24] <BenPylko> Most servos use PPM, not PWM (I just got here, if you're using an arduino, the servo library should work)
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[15:25] <DL7AD> im using it that way:
[15:26] <DL7AD> pwm = GPIO.PWM(18, 100)
[15:26] <DL7AD> pwm.start(5)
[15:26] <DL7AD> pwm.ChangeDutyCycle(duty)
[15:27] <BenPylko> Yeah, servos use PPM (pulse position modulation) not PWM (pulse width modulation). They will behave strangely if you use pwm
[15:28] <DL7AD> isn't this the same?
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> BenPylko: It's PWM
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> BenPylko: not PPM
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[15:30] <BenPylko> Right, I'm saying the servos won't work correctly if you use pwm (there are some types that use pwm, but ppm is the norm)
[15:30] <BenPylko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-position_modulation
[15:30] <BenPylko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-width_modulation
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> A generic one that c
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> A generic one that can use any pin won't work at all well.
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> BenPylko: PWM is the norm for RC servos
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> They are 0.5-1.3ms on, 20ms off.
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> In the off period, transmitters that can run multiple servos often multiplex the servo pulses.
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> But the basic servos are very much PWM - and not PPM. If you go from 20ms, to 18ms, they will not move.
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> DL7AD: you actually need to work out how to use the hardware PWM unit. This is available ononly two (?)pins on the pi
[15:34] <BenPylko> That's strange, I must have been using some uncommon servos
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[15:36] <BenPylko> I've used this library before https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/ I know it has a software PWM library which could work, but it might not be reliable enough to run servos correctly
[15:37] <BenPylko> according to their documentation, only pin 1 supports hardware pwm
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[15:38] <BenPylko> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/functions/
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[15:43] <mfa298> the Pi has a few different modes of running it's hardware PWM
[15:44] <mfa298> although I'm not sure what the various libraries do (or even if they do hardware pwm)
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[15:45] <mfa298> my bit of Pi based PWM (for dominoEX) was all direct register calls and the buggy result took a lot of time and a lot of hair pulling from the data sheet
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[15:46] <DL7AD> SpeedEvil: okay
[15:49] <LeoBodnar> i wonder if Indian guys can pick up B-64 on their portables
[15:49] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: i will inform them when i get home
[15:50] <lz1dev> !hysplit b-64
[15:50] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141105-10_19153_B64.gif
[15:50] <LeoBodnar> !dial indian guys
[15:50] <SpacenearUS> 03LeoBodnar: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[15:50] <lz1dev> not even close to india
[15:51] <fsphil> northern japan this time
[15:51] <LeoBodnar> indeed
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> And south korea
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> The very north tip of india might catch something
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[16:09] <LeoBodnar> these guys were near N Delhi
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[16:27] <SpeedEvil> yeah - no way
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[17:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPIC8 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC8
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[18:15] <flying_dutchman> hello
[18:15] <flying_dutchman> good evening
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[18:22] <Deano86_> Hey everyone
[18:25] <flying_dutchman> can anybody help me with the tnc pi?
[18:26] <flying_dutchman> i just want to make sure i have wired all correctly up before powering it on
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[18:51] <thasti> LeoBodnar: ping
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[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[19:03] <NickB1> Hi all
[19:03] <NickB1> I would like to sell a 1000 and 1200gram Hwoyee
[19:03] <NickB1> Is it ok if I put this up on the group?
[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> hello NickB1 :)
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[21:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI_SKY - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=PI_SKY
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[21:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UKRHAB-2 after 032 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=UKRHAB-2
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[21:38] <fsphil> ssssh
[21:41] <anerDev> sshshshhsh
[21:41] <anerDev> hi fsphil :))
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