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[03:34] <arko> !hysplit B-64
[03:34] <SpacenearUS> 03arko: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141027-22_115406_B64.gif
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[03:48] <Ian_> !seek B-64
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[03:50] <Ian_> !flights
[03:50] <SpacenearUS> 03Ian_: There are no flights currently :(
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[05:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03bike_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=bike_chase
[05:30] <natrium43> lol, bike chase?
[05:30] <ulfr> it's traffic dude.
[05:31] <ulfr> better than default_chase though
[05:31] <natrium43> we need a new icon for the map
[05:37] <ulfr> yup
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[06:29] <jarod> craag can DGPS VHF be decoded by some tool?
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[08:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 030x03 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=0x03
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[08:31] <Laurenceb__> lol @ latest hysplit
[08:32] <Laurenceb__> B-64 stuck forever
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[08:34] <UpuWork> link ?
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[08:34] <UpuWork> oh
[08:34] <Laurenceb__> !hysplit B-64
[08:34] <UpuWork> uff nasty
[08:34] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141028-04_120566_B64.gif
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[08:35] <UpuWork> probably explains why its gone awol
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[08:56] <fsphil> loitering over the pacific
[08:57] <eroomde> ain't we all
[08:57] <eroomde> metaphorically
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[09:11] <ok1cdj> hello all
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[09:15] <ok1cdj> I need help wih ublox gps please. I would like to put gps in power save mode, i have in my code check when i have more than 5 sat then go to power save. What's happend with gps when i'm in power save mode and then i lost some sats ??
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[09:26] <jededu> oklcjd: when I set the ublox in powersave mode sats drop from 12 to 7 i think its normal
[09:27] <jededu> ping upu
[09:28] <edmoore> that's quite plausible
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[09:29] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
[09:29] <edmoore> 7 is plenty of sats for a good fix, and it's tracking sats that takes resources
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[09:38] <ok1cdj> jededu: thanks, yes its normal.. but i asking whats happend when sats go down to 4 or gps lost lock and i'm in power save mode
[09:38] <UpuWork> hi jededu
[09:38] <edmoore> i don;t know about the 8 specifically, but the ublox 7 would not do the intelligent thing and re-aquire if it lost a lock during powersave
[09:38] <edmoore> it'd just loose the lock
[09:39] <jededu> oklcjd I just pot it back into full power mode
[09:39] <edmoore> so you had to implement logic yourself to see if it lost lock and then take it out of powersave to reacquire, then put it back into powersave
[09:39] <jededu> As edmoore just said
[09:40] <ok1cdj> ok.. i will implement some logic.. thanks for help..
[09:42] <jededu> upu pm
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[09:44] <Maxell> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8Efubo4mV6s/VEl2NOGTBnI/AAAAAAAAWxM/9nKHsrI_nKs/s288/384531_serial-killer.jpg
[09:47] <jonsowman> I'm surprised there haven't been more "serial killer" jokes
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[10:14] <mfa298> cm13g09: pong
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[10:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03B-64 after 035 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=B-64
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[10:57] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
[10:57] <mfa298> It escaped \o/
[10:57] <daveake> woooooo
[10:57] <mfa298> and it heading for arko :)
[10:57] <mattbrejza> battery survived longer than usual
[10:57] <daveake> haha ... now, he asked to be called and woken up when this happened :)
[10:58] Action: mfa298 hopes it's not too far south for ark
[10:58] <mfa298> arko
[10:59] <mfa298> heh, live prediction has it going over Cuba
[11:00] <SP3OSJ> Hi all Please reactivate flight SP5NVX (start Saturday 18_11-2014). He showed up on the map aprs "SP5NVX-12"
[11:00] <daveake> It'll have a much larger range when it reaches Mexico and jumps up to 46km
[11:00] <Darkside> hahahahaha
[11:00] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
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[11:00] <daveake> SP3OSJ You need to /join #habhub
[11:00] <daveake> You won't get anyway just saying "#habhub" in here
[11:00] <daveake> anywhere
[11:00] <SP3OSJ> yes yes sorry
[11:01] <mfa298> ROTFLSHMSFOAIDMT
[11:02] <Laurenceb> woot
[11:02] <Laurenceb> epicness
[11:02] <jcoxon> damn summoning doesn't work for arko
[11:02] <fsphil> gonna be close anyway, might not just get into range for arko
[11:03] <Laurenceb> wow thats far south
[11:03] <tweetBot> @jamescoxon: @arkorobotics Wake up! B-64 has arrived! #ukhas
[11:03] <Laurenceb> lots of sunshine :D
[11:03] <mfa298> I'm sure he can take a trip towards the border
[11:03] <Laurenceb> 29 degrees
[11:04] <fsphil> nothing suspicious about someone at the mexican border with a big antenna
[11:04] <fsphil> !hysplit B-64
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141028-10_127043_B64.gif
[11:05] <fsphil> ah not updated yet
[11:06] <Upu> !hysplit run b-64
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Your job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
[11:08] <mattbrejza> so it could continue straight or take a sharp left
[11:08] <fsphil> !hysplit B-64
[11:08] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141028-11_127327_B64.gif
[11:09] <fsphil> hmm
[11:09] <joeman> Hey, I have a question about habhub
[11:09] <joeman> do people think that products say made 48hrs before a flight can be relid upon?
[11:10] <Darkside> as long as your flight does what you say it does
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[11:10] <Darkside> i.e. ascent at a certain rate, burst when you expect it do, descend at a given rate
[11:10] <joeman> like weight, etc
[11:10] <joeman> oh ok
[11:10] <joeman> yeah, Just got some conditions for the flight I'm doing...
[11:11] <Darkside> you can figure out all that using the birst calculator though
[11:11] <Darkside> burst calc*
[11:11] <joeman> and I need to make sure it lands a certain distance from an area
[11:11] <joeman> yeah
[11:11] <daveake> It varies. I run predictions at least once a day up to the launch. Sometimes they vary little each day; sometimes they're all over the place.
[11:11] <joeman> Done all that.
[11:11] <Darkside> yeah i've found the predictor doesn't like it when a front is moving through
[11:11] <joeman> yeah
[11:11] <daveake> If they're pretty constant then the 48-hour one should be pretty good
[11:11] <joeman> these predictions have been pretty close
[11:11] <joeman> cool
[11:11] <daveake> But regardless, I always run a prediction the morning of the launch
[11:11] <SP5NVX> HI ! Can you recover my data from 25.10.2014 - the balloon still alive! http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FSP5NVX-12&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[11:11] <joeman> mmm ok.
[11:12] <joeman> I'm going to be out of range of any service on te day
[11:12] <SP5NVX> I need to see on the map, please
[11:12] <mfa298> joeman: sounds like lots of predictions (including variaions in ascent/decent rate and burst altitude) and then if any go close to the area be wary of what make that happen
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[11:12] <joeman> yeah, good idea
[11:12] <joeman> I'll do a bunch of different rates...
[11:13] <joeman> and see what 'area' the dots form
[11:13] <mfa298> if you're not able to run predictions just before the launch maybe get someone else to do it and give you a go/nogo call
[11:13] <joeman> yeah
[11:13] <joeman> I'll have a sat phone
[11:13] <joeman> so I ll ask someone to do one...and compare with the one I give him
[11:13] <joeman> good idea
[11:14] <joeman> Thanks for your input on it
[11:14] <joeman> First launch.
[11:15] <joeman> so just trying to be extra careful
[11:19] <Laurenceb> wow B-64 went very far south
[11:19] <gonzo__> it may also depend where in the world you are doiung poredictions for. Some areas have more turbulent/unpredictable weather anyway
[11:23] <gonzo__> you would have thought B64 had gotten dizzy by now!
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[11:30] Nick change: day- -> day
[11:35] <joeman> night
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[11:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5NVX-12 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SP5NVX-12
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[11:56] <LeoBodnar> fell out of jetstream
[11:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5NVX-12 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SP5NVX-12
[11:59] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[11:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5NVX-12 after 033 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SP5NVX-12
[11:59] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Indeed - what's that ~25N?
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> I guess we'll know more
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> whent he log
[12:00] <lz1dev> sorry for the spam
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> I guess it can't have gone that much further south, or it'd habve been picked up by hawaii
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[12:04] <SpeedEvil> An APRS station on Midway would be nice
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[12:06] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: And indeed all the hysplits are now south of all previous tracks
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> maybe the atmosphere moves south for the winter
[12:08] <lz1dev> !hysplit sp5nvx-12
[12:08] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: HYSPLIT for 03SP5NVX-12 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141028-12_128684_SP5NVX12.gif
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[12:19] <Rebounder> wow
[12:19] <Rebounder> b64 around, still
[12:19] <daveake> It'll outlive us all
[12:20] <day> do the balloons that stay up for a very long time like b64 use special balloonmaterial? I would have expected that the helium would diffuse quickly through the hull :/
[12:20] <day> something with a metal coating maybe
[12:21] <daveake> no metal coating
[12:22] <day> what would happen if you use a handful of trashbags? :X
[12:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX4 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VORTEX4
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> day: it is a special material though
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> It wasn't bought as expected to bethis special - it was just 'balloon film'
[12:26] <Darkside> win 23
[12:29] <day> why is b64 lasting so much longer than the other ones anyways?
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> day: luck
[12:30] <day> how is it luck?
[12:30] <day> do the other ones die by accident?
[12:30] <day> i thought they run out of energy
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> Balloon with no micropunctures, lithium cell that works unusually well, launched so that it ddidn't hit icing, ...
[12:32] <day> icing is a problem? Micropunctures? Dont tell me they get wrecked my tiny meteors :D
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[12:34] <day> what ive always wondered about, how do you define the flight height? If you fill a balloon to much its going to pop. Not enough and it wont get high enough.
[12:35] <adamgreig> answered your own question then
[12:35] <adamgreig> you fill it just right
[12:35] <myself> look up "superpressure balloon"
[12:35] <day> :P
[12:35] <day> how do you measure just right?
[12:35] <myself> as you rise, you want to reach a point where the envelope constrains the lift gas, so you stop gaining buoyancy, and level off
[12:36] <gonzo__> you use the tables on the wiki, for commercial balloons
[12:36] <LazyLeopard> ...and take a pinch of luck, too. :)
[12:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Also the Wiki for pico balloon data look at the bottom of this page for freelift v height etc. http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:microballoons:data
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[12:39] <SpeedEvil> Micropunctures during assembly or transport
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> A .1mm hole will cause them to depressurise _fast_
[12:40] <gonzo__> though some people have used that as a way of getting a float
[12:41] <gonzo__> intionally (and otherwise I suspect)
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[12:59] <SpeedEvil> It's a pretty bad way of doing it
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> For latex at least
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[12:59] <SpeedEvil> because the flow rate through an orifice goes _way_ down with altitude
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[13:05] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[13:05] <Maxell> Hey!
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[13:26] <jcoxon> interestingly B-64 has gained altitude recently
[13:26] <daveake> yeah it's near Mexico
[13:26] <daveake> </old_joke>
[13:27] <jcoxon> perhaps the envelope has streatched a bit
[13:27] <jcoxon> daveake, haha
[13:28] <fsphil> 06:28 in LA. still a bit early
[13:28] <fsphil> gonna be close
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[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> dawn coming as well
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Arko is going to be happy1
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[13:42] <jcoxon> its too far to truely overfly its duration competitors at the Googleplex
[13:48] <fsphil> aww
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> Most interesting lap yet - in some ways
[13:49] <jcoxon> i agree
[13:50] <jcoxon> i would love it to do a proper crossing of hte USA
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> And africa
[13:51] <jcoxon> not much aprs that way
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> True
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> You'd see it coming through spain, or more southerly, malasya looks good
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[13:53] <SpeedEvil> As well as south america
[13:53] <SpeedEvil> Africa is spotty indeed
[13:57] <Laurenceb> aprs seems to be being glitchy again
[13:57] <Laurenceb> we need arko
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[13:58] <jcoxon> there isn't 434 over the US though
[13:59] <jcoxon> just aprs
[13:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> strange I would have thought B-64 would be seeing the sun by now
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> 7:30AM - sunrise at San fransisco - which is about equal with the left-hand edge of the coverage circle
[14:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> MT tracker has a sunlight overlay
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> I think it's got an hour and a half?
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[14:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Its in the halflight now, normally the solar panels are starting to rise in voltage, but not charging at these temperatures of course
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> I think it's getting confused by BST/GMT
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> Or maybe I am
[14:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> nope we are on GMT/UTC now
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> Oh - my bad - I was looking at the mobile tracker
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> http://aprs.fi/telemetry/?call=M0XER-4&date_start=2014-10-28+12%3A04%3A40&date_end=2014-10-28+14%3A04%3A40
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> Where are you seeing that
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> Oh - right - normally
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[14:09] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ocscsailing.com/resources/livecams.php
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> Show sunrise approaching
[14:09] <jcoxon> no aprs for a while
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> But the last reception was 40m ago
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> so...
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> Battery looks healthy at least
[14:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah yes hadn't spotted that APRS has gone quite!
[14:10] <Laurenceb> its the glitchy US aprs
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[14:22] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/WaywardBoat
[14:28] <myself> bwahaha
[14:28] <myself> too soon
[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah an update
[14:37] <jcoxon> if arko misses it...
[14:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> So who's got arko's number he is going to miss the action!
[14:38] <jcoxon> i have i think
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[14:40] <jcoxon> actually perhaps no
[14:40] <jcoxon> t
[14:41] <edmoore> i have it
[14:41] <edmoore> but i'm not sure that arko can be arisen
[14:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> dial it, he will thankyou!
[14:42] <jcoxon> i think he might wake for this
[14:42] <edmoore> number not recognised
[14:42] <edmoore> oh wai it's probably missing usa code as i last used it when in america
[14:42] <edmoore> is it 0033?
[14:43] <jonsowman> that's france isn't it
[14:43] <edmoore> yes
[14:43] <edmoore> thanks
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[14:43] <jonsowman> 001 for usa
[14:43] <edmoore> i knew it was somehwere i've been recently
[14:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> 001 isn't
[14:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> it
[14:43] <edmoore> i'll pm it to you as i'm on a bus and people who use phones on busses should have their fingernails pulled off
[14:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK
[14:45] <fsphil> drastic but fair
[14:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> its 001213 I guess if he is in LA ?
[14:46] <adamgreig> mobile phone area codes are a bit different
[14:46] <adamgreig> might be tho
[14:46] <adamgreig> it's not
[14:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup that's landline no mobile
[14:47] <adamgreig> i also have it handy but sounds like ed has you sorted
[14:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> no pm yet
[14:47] <edmoore> oh i pm'd james
[14:47] <edmoore> soz
[14:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> thats ok he knows James better than me!
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[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> He might be in range for a few hours if it continues the NE path but it doesn't match the hy-split path for that altitude
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[14:58] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping (last one expired lol)
[14:59] <mfa298> cm13g09: pong
[14:59] <Maxell> *vlieg vlieg* http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=B-64
[14:59] <Maxell> wrong chan :P
[15:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CDJ-1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=CDJ-1
[15:05] <arko> it missed me by ---> <----- this much
[15:05] <arko> :(
[15:05] <arko> i say close enough
[15:05] <fsphil> still coming at you
[15:05] <arko> true
[15:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> I usuly can recieve 2m aprs way outside the blue ring, over 500km best so far
[15:07] <arko> i should try
[15:07] <arko> i got a nice phone call from some yorkshireman rambling on about a balloon :P
[15:08] <UpuWork> o7
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> hah
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Up with dawn ... for a change ?
[15:11] <arko> haha
[15:12] <arko> to be fair he called 5 mins before my alarm
[15:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> KA6PTJ has heard B-64 but he is at 7600 feet!
[15:12] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 7600 ft = 2316 m
[15:12] <arko> wheres he?
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[15:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> North of you NW of Lancaster
[15:13] <arko> woah
[15:13] <arko> serious?
[15:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> look on APRS.fi
[15:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=terrain&z=7&call=a%2FM0XER-4&timerange=604800&tail=604800
[15:13] <arko> ok, i'll call into work and see if can get an hour of to try
[15:14] <Lunar_LanderU> see you all later!
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[15:28] <Laurenceb> need to head to Bel Air for reception :P
[15:28] <fsphil> I hear arko has an auntie and uncle there
[15:29] <Laurenceb> and hopefully a yagi
[15:30] <nigelvh> NO B-64! FARTHER NORTH!!!! WASHINGTON! NOT CALIFORNIA!!!
[15:30] <fsphil> lol
[15:30] <jcoxon> fsphil, i think there were a couploe of huys who were up to no good
[15:30] <UpuWork> mexico actually :)
[15:30] <jcoxon> guys*
[15:30] <arko> driving up mountain now!
[15:30] <nigelvh> California can hear it. I'd settle for it passing through oregon and giving me a chance to hear it.
[15:31] <jcoxon> arko, please don't IRC and drive
[15:31] <UpuWork> Started flying pico balloons in my neighbourhood, I did one little flight and my mamma got scared so I'm off to California to launch balloons with Ron K6RPT ?
[15:31] <jcoxon> nigelvh, you've heard it before though
[15:31] <nigelvh> Yes, I'm just being selfish.
[15:31] <jcoxon> hehe
[15:31] <nigelvh> I was very fortunate that the FIRST trip around it flew almost exactly above my house.
[15:31] <UpuWork> its going south for winter
[15:31] <nigelvh> Since then it hasn't been close enough to hear.
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[15:34] <arko> jcoxon: im not, im actually leaving my house now :P
[15:35] <arko> texting and driving is bad enough, i cant imagine explaining irc to a cop
[15:35] <UpuWork> or why you are driving up to a hill
[15:35] <arko> well you see sir, my friends high altitude balloon which has gone around the world 6 times...
[15:35] <nigelvh> With a trunk full of suspicious looking electronics shit
[15:35] <arko> lol
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[15:36] <fsphil> you could fine the one cop with a ham license
[15:36] <fsphil> "Yaesu? Get out of the car Sir."
[15:36] <arko> lol
[15:36] <daveake> hahza
[15:36] <arko> i'd get shot
[15:36] <nigelvh> "This here is ICOM country"
[15:36] <arko> lapd shoots then asks questions
[15:36] <daveake> I got quizzed at Eurotunnel about all the aerials
[15:37] <arko> ok seriously now, leaving the house, eta to mountain peak is 15-20mins
[15:37] <fsphil> drive carefully
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[15:37] <nigelvh> One time I managed to get through TSA security with some random circuit boards in my backpack. Really suprised they didn't ask me about that. But I guess I'm a white guy. I can get away with that in this country.
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[16:01] <ok1cdj> nice video from Stratocaching 2014 - http://video.idnes.cz/?idvideo=V141027_220340_tv-zpravy_krr
[16:04] <arko> alright
[16:04] <arko> on top of mountain
[16:04] <arko> radio setup
[16:04] <arko> listening...
[16:10] <Laurenceb> looks like its every minute
[16:11] <LeoBodnar> day after day alone on the hill
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[16:11] <LeoBodnar> a man with a yagi is keeping perfectly still
[16:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> :-)
[16:15] <Rebounder> arko, location now?
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[16:18] <arko> woah
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[16:19] <arko> theres a coyote here
[16:19] <arko> neat
[16:21] <vincentsan> qyx_, are you there ?
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[16:24] <vincentsan> anyone else has already played with the TPS61200 ?
[16:24] <Ian_> Does the coyote have a yagi. FT817 and a suspicious look?
[16:25] <LeoBodnar> 13200m is all the rage now what do you make of that Laurenceb ?
[16:25] <Laurenceb> its hot of calio
[16:28] <Laurenceb> any signals arko?
[16:29] <arko> not yet
[16:30] <arko> https://www.flickr.com/photos/arkorobotics/
[16:30] <arko> photos of the setup
[16:33] <Miek> i spy a jawbreaker
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[16:42] <arko> yep
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[16:43] <qyx_> vincentsan: yep
[16:44] <vincentsan> qyx_, I've updated the design. to be able to control with PWM signal : http://www.up-in-the-air.com/#up3
[16:44] <vincentsan> still don't know if this will work
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[16:56] <vincentsan> qyx_, anyway thanks for your help yesterday. I'll tell you if it does work in practice :)
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[17:07] <qyx_> you will see
[17:07] <qyx_> btw you have missing join between R11/R5/C14
[17:08] <qyx_> at least it is not visible in the schematic
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[17:09] <qyx_> and C5 is not possitioned well, eagle will make implicit join when a part is placed directly on net
[17:09] <qyx_> i assume it was drawn in eagle
[17:09] <qyx_> vincentsan: ^
[17:13] <vincentsan> qyx_, yes in eagle. It was ok (but not visible in the schematic) but I have added explicit joins. I prefer to be safe than sorry. Thanks
[17:16] <jcoxon> arko, any success?
[17:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> He only had a small base loaded whip looking at the pictures, which didn't bode well ...
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[17:48] <arko> jcoxon: :( no
[17:48] <arko> but i got an amazing view
[17:48] <arko> i forget that park is just 10minutes away
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[17:48] <arko> https://twitter.com/arkorobotics/status/527151314812166144
[17:49] <arko> jcoxon: maybe the next time around :P
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[17:55] <jcoxon> arko, yeah next time!
[17:56] <deano86> Hello everyone
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[18:01] <arko> my reaction when Upu called and said it's headed into mexico and just outside radio range: http://www.mercenarytrader.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/lloyd-300x300.jpg
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[18:08] <deano86> When is the next launch in the UK?
[18:13] <chrisstubbs> I dont think there are actually any announcements out for this weekend yet
[18:13] <deano86> ah ok, how can i find out when they are?
[18:14] <chrisstubbs> sign yourself up for the mailing list
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[18:22] <deano86> Thank you :)
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[18:32] <Rebounder> arko: bladerf as radio?
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[18:34] <arko> HackRF
[18:34] <arko> Jawbreaker
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[18:36] <Trieste> what
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[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:00] <jededu> I might send a couple of floaters up saturday depending on weather and prediction
[19:00] <arko> dooo ittttt
[19:02] <jededu> Not the best at the moment http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=17059484655240a07711bdfb1af75b650f56c837
[19:03] <nats`> <vincentsan> [17:24:10] anyone else has already played with the TPS61200 ? <= general advice go for tlv61220
[19:03] <nats`> about same spec in sot package
[19:03] <nats`> and cheaper
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[20:03] <WolfB_> B64 has reached Mexiko at Baja California
[20:04] <Upu> it has indeed
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[20:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah nice B-64 is back
[20:08] <deano86> what is happening with B64 lol, has it really travelled that far?!!?
[20:08] <ulfr> "B-64: A tale of an undestructable balloon."
[20:09] <LeoBodnar> B-64 made it to 47km high club
[20:09] <Upu> haha
[20:09] <Upu> yep deano86
[20:10] <deano86> wow, if it has a camera onboard the footage would be amazing lol
[20:10] <deano86> just as long as the battery held out hehe
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[20:11] <fsphil> no camera :)
[20:12] <arko> LeoBodnar: lol
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[20:17] <lz1dev> !whereis b-64
[20:17] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03B-64 is over 03Baja California, Mexico 10(30.7095,-115.954) at 0313185 meters
[20:18] <lz1dev> mexico
[20:18] <lz1dev> :D
[20:19] <arko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGgGCvuez14
[20:19] <arko> LeoBodnar: ^
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> haha
[20:21] <arko> if you havent seen that movie.. do
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[20:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SA6BSS-Mike Hej Mike. Are you there?
[20:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> jepp
[20:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> hi
[20:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> got any H-pol yagi?
[20:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> for 70cm that is
[20:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> funny you ask, I´m out in the garage and putting together my new konni F20 yagi
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[20:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> but its not up at the momnet, what you have in mind
[20:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ahh ok. you should get it done, fair bit of tropo tonight
[20:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[20:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SM4,6,7 / ES and YL in tonight
[20:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and SM1
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[20:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> , interesting, I can hear alot tuning around
[20:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://www.dxmaps.com/spots/map.php?Lan=E&Frec=430&ML=M&Map=W2L&DXC=N&HF=N&GL=N
[20:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Is it just the vertical GP you got up now?
[20:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://www.dxmaps.com/spots/map.php?Lan=E&Frec=430&ML=M&Map=EU&DXC=N&HF=N&GL=N
[20:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> x300 10,5 db gain , vert
[20:28] <SA6BSS-Mike> + lna
[20:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> put your rx on 432.100 CW and ill try to put out a signal
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[20:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> listening
[20:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> R here we go
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[20:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> booming :)
[20:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LOL
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[20:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> great sounds like it works then. just 40w
[20:30] <SA6BSS-Mike> cant transmit from this side, my bias t can only handle 1W
[20:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yeah no problem. It was on my GP. pretty good distance
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[20:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> new cable is ready to v´connet to the lna for 100W capability throug lna,
[20:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> inded!
[20:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> we´ll make it some day im sure
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[20:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> with the new yagi on a rotor it will be interesting the day a hab flyes by
[20:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes that should work realy well
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[20:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SA6BSS-Mike try 144.100 ill try the same again
[20:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> brb
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[20:54] <ok1cdj> what is best material for packing tracker for pico floater baloon please ??
[20:54] <arko> thermal protection?
[20:55] <myself> Unicorn fur.
[20:55] <arko> aerogel :P
[20:55] <myself> Like I said!
[20:56] <arko> ok1cdj: you're better off designing it with parts capable of low temperatures
[20:57] <ok1cdj> arko: i have tested tracker with -30 without problems..
[20:58] <ok1cdj> any picture how you have packed you payload ??
[20:59] <arko> most folks use extruded polystyrene
[21:00] <arko> http://ava.upuaut.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/IMG_1058-1024x768.jpg
[21:00] <arko> example
[21:00] <ok1cdj> yes, thanks.. i will try it this way..
[21:00] <arko> good luck!
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[21:04] <Upu> last few I've just wrapped in fine bubble wrap stuff
[21:04] <arko> yeah, pretty much a thin sheet of trash bag wrapped around it is more than enough
[21:04] <arko> as long as the parts are -40C rated
[21:05] <arko> which they should be
[21:05] <myself> Looks like the big chunks of copper going outside the foam would carry a lot of heat.
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[21:13] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: B-64 is cruising at ~17600Pa
[21:13] <Laurenceb__> ~150Pa higher pressure than 5 days after launch
[21:13] <LeoBodnar> that's my boy
[21:13] <arko> :')
[21:14] <Laurenceb__> so at least 3 years flight time if its diffusion limited
[21:14] <Laurenceb__> and using hydrogen, at least 6 years
[21:14] <arko> good god
[21:15] <arko> no way
[21:15] <Laurenceb__> yes way
[21:15] <arko> i just hopes it makes it around so i can pick it up
[21:15] <Laurenceb__> its got to be an EVOH envelope
[21:15] <arko> aorund again
[21:15] <arko> so question...
[21:15] <Laurenceb__> theoretical flight time is 11 years
[21:15] <arko> why do normal mylar balloons lose all their helium but this doesnt?
[21:16] <Laurenceb__> probably due to the valve
[21:16] <Laurenceb__> im guessing it leaks through the flap valve
[21:16] <arko> oh
[21:16] <arko> derp
[21:16] <arko> that makes sense
[21:16] <arko> i'll try an experiment
[21:16] <Laurenceb__> B-64 is fully heat sealed
[21:17] <arko> yeah
[21:17] <Laurenceb__> someone needs to write a script to generate float pressure data...
[21:18] <Laurenceb__> then itd be possible to fit some models to look at ice accumulation
[21:18] <DL7AD> !hysplit B-62
[21:18] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[21:18] <DL7AD> !hysplit B-64
[21:18] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141028-16_134215_B64.gif
[21:18] <Laurenceb__> its going to be either ice or UV damage that limits the flight time i suspect
[21:19] <arko> but your model assumes no microholes?
[21:19] <Laurenceb__> ill see if my brother has a radio
[21:19] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[21:19] <Laurenceb__> (Merida, Mexico)
[21:20] <Laurenceb__> i want to try some of the stock market type statistical models
[21:20] <Laurenceb__> to look at ice formation and loss
[21:20] <Laurenceb__> to predict flight time
[21:20] <Laurenceb__> there isnt that much data from ghost at 12km
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[21:22] <Laurenceb__> but just plotting out float pressure by hand you can see ice accumulation and loss
[21:22] <lz1dev> fg
[21:22] <Laurenceb__> according to the ghost data, ice accumulated slowly most of the time
[21:22] <Laurenceb__> then got lost quickly in "deicing events"
[21:24] <Laurenceb__> most likely path has it going almost directly over Merida :D
[21:25] <arko> you're brother is in mexico?
[21:25] <arko> your*
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[21:26] <Laurenceb__> uhuh
[21:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> OZ1SKY_Brian: I have nasty qrm on 144Mhz , started last week, have to get a small 2m yagi and hunt down the noise
[21:29] <Laurenceb__> works for SAGAR
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[21:37] <Laurenceb__> GHOST "12km" was actually fying at a nominal 20kPa
[21:38] <Laurenceb__> B-64 is at ~17.5kPa, and B-66 was at close to 15
[21:38] <Laurenceb__> so the icing isnt going to be as bad
[21:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Latest Polar view of B-64's travels and the KML file http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/index.php?ind=3
[21:39] <arko> hah , you care barely see the mexico tour
[21:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> If it goes much further South I'll have real problems!
[21:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> but it will be a good circumnavigation for the FAI rules!
[21:40] <SpeedEvil> Where are these rules
[21:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> FAI riles http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/SC01-2014.pdf
[21:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> or rules
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[21:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Starts Page7-8
[21:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Para 4.8.3
[21:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Para 4.8.4 helps
[21:44] <Rebounder> Geoff-G8DHE: the pole passage is incredible
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> Geoff-G8DHE: Hmm - distance records
[21:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its rather impressive, just need to get it to do a Pole to Pole that will flumux everyone
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[21:45] <Rebounder> Geoff-G8DHE: that, will be impressive
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> Geoff-G8DHE: hmm
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> 4.8.3.2 ... a selection of position check points...
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> So your path does not have to be outside the cap
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> the selection of points from your path has to make a great circle polygon outside the cap
[21:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> nope just great circle links with end points of each link outside the cap, but that only happened on Loop and with luck Loop 7
[21:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Loop 1 and Loop 7
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[21:51] <arko> hah, trolling LA weather
[21:51] <arko> hasn't rained for months
[21:51] <arko> http://weatherspark.com/#!dashboard;q=La%20Crescenta%2C%20CA%2C%2091214%2C%20USA
[21:51] <arko> rains on halloween
[21:51] <arko> then stops
[21:51] <arko> its all that weather B-64 brought with it
[21:51] <arko> :P
[21:51] <arko> though im all for rain
[21:53] <deano86> so where did the b-64 take off from?
[21:53] <deano86> its been 108 days :O
[21:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Silverstone
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[21:53] <arko> HAB Mode: Expert
[21:54] <deano86> That surely is a record! it has been round the world a few times now lol
[21:55] <arko> yeah, its a record
[21:55] <arko> many records really
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[21:56] <deano86> the longest is 55 days... it has smashed it lol
[21:56] <deano86> http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-02/giant-weather-balloon-shatters-flight-records-while-taking-cosmic-beating
[21:56] <SpeedEvil> plus - it's what - closing on 5 earth circumferences
[21:57] <SpeedEvil> Oh - just over 4 at the moment
[21:57] <deano86> Yeah it has beaten the record by far
[21:57] <arko> woah wait what
[21:57] <arko> no, way
[21:57] <deano86> i smell a guiness world record.. maybe two!
[21:58] <deano86> longest time and distance
[21:58] <Upu> there were some flights in the 60's which were very long
[21:58] <arko> whats the actual record?
[21:58] <Upu> no idea
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> http://www.jodcast.net/
[21:58] <arko> damn
[21:58] <deano86> surely that has beaten them
[21:58] <LeoBodnar> 740+ days?
[21:58] <Upu> ask Dan Bowen
[21:58] <deano86> :O
[21:58] <arko> yeah dan would know
[21:58] <Upu> it was 2 years
[21:58] <deano86> bloody ell
[21:58] <arko> ok that sounds right
[21:58] <arko> i was like, no way 55days
[21:59] <SpeedEvil> The latest jodcast - jodrell podcast - has a discussion of a HAB telescope
[21:59] <LeoBodnar> 55 days relate to the balloon of specific size
[22:00] <Upu> its most certainly a record in the "set by some bloke in Silverstone" catergory
[22:00] <deano86> yes
[22:00] <LeoBodnar> i think ghost was 744 days
[22:00] <deano86> surelyt
[22:00] <arko> hahaha
[22:00] <deano86> Silverstone is just down the road from me lol
[22:01] <LeoBodnar> but anything over 100 days is respectable
[22:01] <deano86> I hope it finally lands back in the UK
[22:01] <LeoBodnar> it's like Karman line in time dimension
[22:01] <Upu> anything over 3 days is amazing
[22:01] <arko> it use to be 190 hours :P
[22:01] <deano86> how often does this happen? I am guessing not often
[22:02] <Upu> Leo killum'd 190 hours
[22:02] <Upu> aiming for 190 days
[22:03] <LeoBodnar> lol at GPSL protesting against 190 h terminations
[22:03] <arko> hahahaha
[22:03] <arko> oh man
[22:03] <arko> forgot about that
[22:03] <deano86> I guess the CAA are annoyed?
[22:03] <Upu> nope
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[22:03] <Upu> its exempt
[22:04] <deano86> I guess you cant help it after all
[22:04] <Upu> didn't need a NOTAM to launch
[22:04] <LeoBodnar> we are friends with CAA
[22:04] <deano86> that help
[22:04] <deano86> s
[22:04] <deano86> I guess they understand that these things can happen
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[22:05] <LeoBodnar> honest.gov
[22:05] <Upu> http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm163/loveleyton/Chuck%20gifs/Sure.gif
[22:05] <deano86> http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm163/loveleyton/Chuck%20gifs/Sure.gif
[22:05] <deano86> oops
[22:05] <Upu> wait
[22:05] <Upu> http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/yeah_sure_jon_hamm.gif
[22:05] <Upu> better
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[22:06] <arko> http://myreactiongifs.com/gifs/beardedguyheadnod.gif
[22:06] <deano86> i am guessing that comment about being friends was slightly sarcastic
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[22:07] <deano86> I am going to get some sleep, got an early start tomorrow. Night everyone
[22:07] <LeoBodnar> nn
[22:07] <Upu> Warning this channel may contain mild sarcasm occasionally
[22:07] <Upu> night
[22:08] <deano86> hehe thats ok, nn
[22:08] <LeoBodnar> animated gifs creator should get Nobel Prize for Peace
[22:08] <ulfr> Upu: What!?
[22:08] <ulfr> Why wasn't I notified about that? :(
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[22:09] <LeoBodnar> tick here if you are not ready: [ ]
[22:09] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: obama, animated gifs.. whatäs the diff? ;)
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[22:10] <nats`> http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/you-dont-say.gif
[22:14] <arko> watching Leo's balloons go around the world http://i.imgur.com/kL0rq.gif
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[22:17] <nats`> fucking good one :D
[22:17] <nats`> I really laughed :D
[22:19] <arko> :)
[22:23] <goopypanther> hoooly fuck
[22:23] <goopypanther> did you guys just see the cygnus lauch?
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[22:25] <ibanezmatt13> did Antares just explode? Just tuned in :o
[22:25] <goopypanther> yeah
[22:26] <ibanezmatt13> wow
[22:26] <goopypanther> climbed rather slowly and then exploded a few seconds after launch
[22:26] <goopypanther> barely cleared the tower
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[22:26] <craag> link?
[22:27] <ibanezmatt13> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#.VFAXZmPqr30
[22:27] <craag> thanks
[22:28] <Upu> "significant vehicle damage"
[22:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> "Mission Insurance Rep"
[22:28] <goopypanther> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1ETzneIUAES0I0.jpg:large
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[22:30] <Laurenceb__> wtf
[22:30] <nats`> what happened ?
[22:30] <Laurenceb__> watching now
[22:31] <staylo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzwaEqLus6U
[22:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> any replay links ?
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[22:33] <craag> not my definition of 'Full Video'
[22:33] <Upu> no
[22:33] <craag> what fuel type was the rocket?
[22:33] <nats`> how many kerbal ? :D
[22:34] <jonsowman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh5oYmTURhc
[22:34] <jonsowman> (thanks adamgreig)
[22:34] <adamgreig> boom
[22:35] <Upu> it stopped going up
[22:35] <adamgreig> oh no, 26 planetlabs cubesats were on it
[22:35] <ibanezmatt13> yup :/
[22:36] <adamgreig> henry hallam will be gutted
[22:36] <craag> WOW
[22:36] <nats`> holy.... no more launch pad
[22:36] <jonsowman> well, that's sad :(
[22:37] <jonsowman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_CRS_Orb-3#Launch_failure
[22:37] <jonsowman> quick as ever
[22:37] <jonsowman> although not a huge amount of detail yet
[22:37] <jonsowman> heh
[22:38] <qyx_> wat
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> craag, kerolox
[22:38] <qyx_> any video?
[22:38] <craag> qyx_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh5oYmTURhc
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[22:40] <Laurenceb__> looks like the first stage nozzle blew out?
[22:40] <Laurenceb__> its solid isnt it?
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> stage 1 is kerolox
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> stage 2 is the solid one
[22:41] <qyx_> ouch
[22:41] <craag> combustion chamber failure maybe?
[22:41] <Laurenceb__> odd
[22:41] <Laurenceb__> interesting failure mode
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> the flame first got brighter
[22:42] <goopypanther> is antares two engines or one chamber with two nozzles?
[22:42] <Laurenceb__> was there a flame from the top?
[22:42] <ibanezmatt13> didn't they say this was a new engine or something?
[22:42] <Laurenceb__> something flashed orange at ignition
[22:42] <Laurenceb__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_CRS_Orb-3#mediaviewer/File:Cygnus_CRS_Orb-3_failure_28102014_232416.jpg
[22:42] <Laurenceb__> oops
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> two NK-33 engines
[22:43] <nats`> it's like if the motor wanted to burn all the stock directly
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> Laurenceb__, hmm just brings up the Orb-3 article
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[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> happened so quick that the commentator said "Engines at 108%" when the flame lit up and then the back section exploded
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> looks like the whole rocket was on fire when it came back down
[22:44] <nats`> maybe a motor exhaust broke ?
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> that could well be
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> what could make a brighter flame
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> higher fuel flow I suppose
[22:45] <nats`> yep maybe a valve
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> and then something overloaded
[22:45] <Laurenceb__> #armchairgenerals
[22:45] <nats`> I'm impressed by comentator :D
[22:45] <nats`> no holy shit
[22:45] <nats`> or what the fuck
[22:46] <Upu> lets try keep the language on here PG pls
[22:46] <craag> failure of the combustion chamber/nozzle would have dumped the burning fuel into the air, causing the fireball.
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[22:47] <craag> looks rather like copsub's test failure - but a few orders of magnitude bigger - and followed by rupture of the fuel tanks on impact with the ground.
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> yes, that is for sure
[22:48] <LeoBodnar> would FTS kick in at that altitude?
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> good question, don't know if it is blocked like in Russia
[22:49] <mattbrejza> 'declaring a mishap' i just heard
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> in Russia there is no self-destruct, only the option to shut down all engines
[22:49] <Laurenceb__> lol
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> and that is blocked up to T+40s I think to prevent a rocket crashing into the launch pad
[22:49] <Laurenceb__> this is US east coast right?
[22:50] Action: Laurenceb__ was worried about B-64 for a moment :P
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> it is
[22:50] <Laurenceb__> itd be ironic if it got hit my a rocket
[22:50] <Laurenceb__> *by
[22:50] <LeoBodnar> lol
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[22:51] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[22:51] <Loetmichel> Lunar_Lander: to me it looks like the first stage tanks exploded
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[22:52] <amell> Did y'all see that suboptimal launch?
[22:52] <Loetmichel> or one of the nozzles of the firtst stage engines
[22:52] <Laurenceb__> heh suboptimal
[22:52] <Loetmichel> and ripped apart the lower section
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> what caught me that the flame got very bright just before something exploded
[22:52] <Loetmichel> Lunar_Lander: not only bright but WIDE (and hence: slower)
[22:52] <amell> Looks to me like something fractured in the first stage engine
[22:53] <Loetmichel> thus my thought about a burst nozzle
[22:53] <amell> And it quickly spread to the rest of the rocket
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[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:53] <amell> A lot of supplies on there. Cubesats and clean underpants etc
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> true
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> burst nozzle is like the favourite idea on here
[22:53] <arko> woah shit
[22:54] <Loetmichel> clean underpants is not a problem, you get used to smell
[22:54] <arko> pardon my language
[22:54] <arko> but damn, that sucks
[22:54] <Loetmichel> but no food and water IS a problem
[22:54] <Laurenceb__> lol classified crypto kit onboard
[22:54] <amell> Wonder if spacex are asked to bring a launch forward
[22:54] <Laurenceb__> did they have some stm32 on there?
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> someone on stream said something about Progress not being involved or something
[22:55] <craag> I read that as 'wonder if spacex are asked to bring a lunch' amell ;)
[22:55] <adamgreig> Laurenceb__: yea i wonder about that
[22:55] <MaXimaN> Cygnus go boom?
[22:55] <adamgreig> 'class 5 crypto hardware' is why they need to secure the debris
[22:55] <MaXimaN> :(
[22:55] <adamgreig> like what can that be
[22:55] <amell> I'm sad about loss of vehicle but also relieved it is not a spacex vehicle
[22:56] <adamgreig> 26 planet labs birds down though :(
[22:56] <amell> That would have caused a lot of problems
[22:56] <MaXimaN> Ouch, that sucks :(
[22:57] <MaXimaN> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL5eddt-iAo
[22:57] <nats`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_aHEit-SqA <= for the record when it boom at higher altitude
[22:58] <goopypanther> according to DoD pki levels class 5 just means "for handling high-value information in a high-risk environment."
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[22:58] <adamgreig> yo ed
[22:58] <adamgreig> 26 planet labs birds down :(
[22:58] <amell> If it had been a spacex falcon vehicle failure that would have set space program back years
[22:58] <goopypanther> so that could be anything from national securyity to remote control of station hardware
[22:58] <MaXimaN> edmoore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL5eddt-iAo
[22:58] <edmoore> yes so i hear
[22:59] <edmoore> what do you mean amell?
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[22:59] <goopypanther> edmoore: since their so close to going human rated I assume?
[22:59] <MaXimaN> amell: That doesn't make any sense
[22:59] <amell> The contract went to Boeing and spacex not orbital
[23:00] <MaXimaN> The whole point of having multiple companies building towards human-rated vehicles is exactly why it wouldn't be set back years
[23:00] <MaXimaN> It would be a setback for the company concerned
[23:00] <amell> I thought falcon was going to be the human rated launcher
[23:01] <edmoore> a
[23:01] <edmoore> not the
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> Atlas for the CST-100
[23:03] <edmoore> https://twitter.com/hhallam/status/527163668677414912
[23:03] <edmoore> hope henry kept the receipt
[23:03] <arko> awwww
[23:03] <arko> so cute
[23:04] <adamgreig> planet said "this will not have a huge impact on at Planet Labs"
[23:04] <adamgreig> so i guess he can keep the 20Gsps scope
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[23:04] <edmoore> sure, all the stuff is insured
[23:04] <edmoore> at least it normally is, with launchers
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[23:05] <adamgreig> still a lot of time and effort to build 26 of those things
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[23:07] <arko> edmoore: what happen to his scope?
[23:08] <edmoore> nothing
[23:08] <arko> oh no
[23:08] <arko> was henry's payload on this rocket?
[23:08] <edmoore> yes
[23:08] <edmoore> 26 og them
[23:08] <edmoore> http://www.spaceflight101.com/cygnus-orb-3-cargo-manifest.html
[23:08] <arko> oh god
[23:08] <arko> dude
[23:09] <arko> that is terrible
[23:09] <edmoore> note the 120Mbps downlink rate on the doves
[23:09] <Laurenceb__> 120 ?!
[23:09] <arko> :O
[23:09] <Laurenceb__> sigh
[23:09] <arko> wow
[23:09] <edmoore> that's what happens when you use science instead of heresay and reckoning to design a sattelite
[23:09] <Laurenceb__> would have been nice for floaters
[23:09] <Laurenceb__> heh
[23:10] <arko> edmoore: my condolences to henry :(
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[23:12] <mikestir> edmoore: meh. could've just used an rfm22
[23:12] <Laurenceb__> trolol
[23:12] <edmoore> they have been proven reliable afterall
[23:12] <edmoore> all you need to do is reset them every fourteen seconds
[23:12] <arko> LOL
[23:13] <arko> woah! REBR... thats epic
[23:13] <edmoore> yes isn;t it
[23:13] <edmoore> what a cool thing
[23:13] <mikestir> yep. got to keep that <strikeout>brownout detector</strikeout> smart reset circuit happy
[23:13] <craag> it's like having a car that you just have to retighten the wheel nuts on every other mile
[23:15] <ulfr> lol
[23:16] <Lunar_Lander> well I say good night for the moment
[23:16] <mikestir> "although a low-speed Telemetry and Command System operating in the UHF band is also available" <-- see, RFM22
[23:17] <mikestir> seriously though. they look like nice bits of kit. anyway, gn all
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[23:18] <arko> edmoore: holy how
[23:18] <arko> cow*
[23:18] <arko> he owns https://www.planet.com/
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[23:19] <arko> ?
[23:19] <arko> er
[23:19] <edmoore> can't have those vc dollars sitting around burning a hole in your pocket
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[23:19] <arko> hehe
[23:19] <arko> thats an expensive domain right there...
[23:20] <arko> man, i would love to know mor about these sats
[23:20] <LeoBodnar> wtf? "Arkyd-100 satellite, raising more than $1.5 million partly owed to the Selfie in Space service the company will provide with the satellite  displaying images of backers on a screen and re-imaging them with the satellite camera showing the backdrop of Earth."
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[23:20] <nats`> oO
[23:20] <edmoore> LeoBodnar, google peter diamandis
[23:21] <LeoBodnar> "A ground test prototype of the Arkyd-100 satellite was completed by 2013. Also last year, the company ran a Kickstarter Crowdfunding campaign to provide funds for the first Arkyd-100 satellite"
[23:21] <amell> Henry has just commented "Yikes"
[23:21] <ulfr> Nothing like a selfie in space...
[23:22] <LeoBodnar> i did tl;dr
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[23:23] <LeoBodnar> This is the south sea company all over again
[23:24] <nigelvh> I interviewed with PRI
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[23:24] <amell> arko: Did you catch b64 by the way?
[23:24] <nigelvh> THey were very proud of their kickstarter capaign
[23:24] <amell> !whereis b-64
[23:24] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: 03B-64 is over 03Baja California, Mexico 10(31.0244,-114.9849) at 0313163 meters
[23:24] <LeoBodnar> selfie is crap on the tube why should it be worth anything in space?
[23:25] <amell> !hysplit b-64
[23:25] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141028-22_138984_B64.gif
[23:25] <edmoore> as far as i can tell he noisily starts stuff with lots of other people's money
[23:25] <edmoore> and then repeats
[23:25] <edmoore> nothing really seems to come of it though
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[23:25] <amell> Florida eh. Hmm
[23:26] <LeoBodnar> his wiki page has more text in section headers than in their content
[23:26] <LeoBodnar> but live and let live
[23:27] <amell> LeoBodnar: Do you think float height will increase more?
[23:27] <LeoBodnar> it should drop after Mexico
[23:27] <ulfr> LeoBodnar: Because, everything in space is better.
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[23:33] <amell> Looking at the launch vid again, seems a very busy launchpad. Lot busier than the Cape. Nobody injured?
[23:33] <amell> Seems to be a lot of ports cabins and stuff
[23:33] <amell> Ports cabins
[23:33] <amell> Ffs
[23:34] <amell> Portacabins
[23:35] <nigelvh> Reports are that there are 0 injuries.
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[23:40] <amell> 1300 pounds of food lost. Launch area is "being secured due to classified payload."
[23:45] <BeaverOne> http://www.highaltitudescience.com/collections/kits/products/eagle-pro-near-space-kit
[23:45] <BeaverOne> decent?
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[23:47] <BeaverOne> i was considering getting that kit
[23:48] <ulfr> never used it, looks ok, but I think it sort of takes out all the fun of doing an hab
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[23:50] <LeoBodnar> orly? "Using sound to locate near-space payloads was a concept first introduced by High Altitude Science."
[23:50] <BeaverOne> is there a way to compensate for the terrible wind carrying several hundreds of miles away predicted by CUSF?
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[23:56] <BeaverOne> i'm scared to launch due to how far away it'll go
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[23:57] <craag> BeaverOne: You can use a smaller balloon to not go as high, therefore not as far.
[23:57] <craag> Other than that - no :(
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