highaltitude.log.20141025

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[00:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MTG002 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=MTG002
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[00:21] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[00:21] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[00:28] <ulfr> ok, what is this nap thing?
[00:28] <ulfr> Is the bot rebooting or something?
[00:28] <lz1dev> updates
[00:28] <ulfr> Ah
[00:29] Action: fsphil is going for a nap.
[00:29] <ulfr> :/
[00:29] <ulfr> fsphil: you're not back, is something wrong?
[00:29] <lz1dev> that's kinda of the point of that message
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[00:29] <lz1dev> theres a different one if it crashes
[00:30] <ulfr> how sad
[00:32] <lz1dev> gotta keep it under control, otherwise it might develop an initiative
[00:32] Action: fsphil is dreaming
[00:33] <lz1dev> kill -2 -u fsphil
[00:33] <lz1dev> :>
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[01:20] <boelle_dk> people still arround?
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[02:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03573122690540_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=573122690540_chase
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[06:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5NVX - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SP5NVX
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[07:36] <DG0MG> Live-Video from Prague on http://stratocaching.idnes.cz/
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[07:58] <Rebounder> 4cool
[08:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK1ALX_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=OK1ALX_chase
[08:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK1MJO_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=OK1MJO_chase
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[08:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPIC5 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC5
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[08:23] <jededu> EDUPIC5 not flying today the uBlox is playing up
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[08:23] <Herman-PB0AHX> !flights
[08:23] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Current flights: 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b), 03EDUPIC5 duration test 10(bc7d), 03MTG002 10(9f1f), 03SP5NVX RTTY 144.67 7n1.5/100 10(8de1), 03STRATOCACHING 2 10(c0d6)
[08:24] <Herman-PB0AHX> !payload EDUPIC5
[08:24] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Payload 03EDUPIC5 10(bc7d) 03$$EDUPIC5 - 03RTTY Only - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 100/400Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[08:29] <OK1KSL> tak kddo
[08:29] <OK1KSL> posloucháte?
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[08:37] <G3ZGZ> !
[08:37] <G3ZGZ> !?
[08:37] <OK1KSL> stratocaching 2014!
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[08:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STS-14 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=STS-14
[08:43] <Rebounder> wow
[08:43] <Rebounder> _big_ pyload
[08:54] <OK1KSL> hi all
[08:54] <mclane_> hi, waiting for launch ;-)
[08:55] <mclane_> Rx is ready
[08:56] <mclane_> problems in Praha?
[08:56] <OK1KSL> yes
[08:56] <OK1KSL> they have some problems with GPS
[08:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK1OMX - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=OK1OMX
[09:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Seed2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Seed2
[09:02] <edmoore> it's a good-looking payload
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[09:09] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[09:09] <mclane_> still problems in Praha
[09:10] <OK1KSL> live stream here: http://technet.idnes.cz/stratocaching-2014-0kq-/online.aspx?online=1005633
[09:11] <goopypanther> so it stratocaching when people track the balloon, or does it drop geocaches?
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[09:16] <OK1KSL> balon hold geocaches for people, all has gps tracker
[09:19] <DG0MG> How do the People follow the geocaches? With the APRS-Website? Or via GSM?
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[09:22] <OK1KSL> APRS is from aprs.fi, people use application in mobile for android
[09:23] <Herman-PB0AHX> by Stratocaching a lot of people nice
[09:27] <pd3jag> is there something to receive today ????? hihi
[09:27] <pd3jag> and a good day to all annyway .
[09:28] <Herman-PB0AHX> !flights
[09:28] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Current flights: 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b), 03EDUPIC5 duration test 10(bc7d), 03MTG002 10(9f1f), 03SP5NVX RTTY 144.67 7n1.5/100 10(8de1), 03STRATOCACHING 2 10(c0d6)
[09:29] <pd3jag> oke tnx for info how long is so duration test (edupic5)?
[09:30] <Herman-PB0AHX> hangt van weer af
[09:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> kan uur zijn maar ook 4
[09:32] <pd3jag> haa okeee, ja ben nog niet zo op de hoogte van de ballon hobby zelf hihiii, we ontvangen het hier alleen maar nog wel gaan we met groep mensen hier uit de regio ook een ballon de lucht insturen oor de kerst .
[09:32] <pd3jag> voor
[09:33] <pd3jag> mensen uit r29 herman afd bergen op zoom
[09:33] <Rebounder> no good i Praha?
[09:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> mooi man suc6 er mee
[09:34] <pd3jag> ja dat gaat wel lukken denk , tegen de tijd dat het zover is zie je het wel / hoor je het wel . we gaan ook webpagina uitbreiden van de afdeling met ballon /hab info terzijne tijd.
[09:35] <mclane_> only aprs is updating; nothing from the trackers?
[09:35] <pd3jag> wij zijn vaak in onderling qso op PI3BOZ 145,625 ctcss 88,5 mss dat je daar eens iets horen kan erover .
[09:37] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok
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[09:38] <pd3jag> En tegen de tijd dat we hier ballon de lucht in sturen zet ik er ook wat van op me qrz pagina. jijzelf ook actief met ballonnen of??
[09:39] <pd3jag> herman vergat ik erachter te zetten hihi
[09:40] <Herman-PB0AHX> ik schrijf zo nu en dan een ballon en ik heb er bij 1 aanwezig mogen zijn bij het oplaten
[09:40] <Lunar_Lander> UKHAS-NL :)
[09:41] <pd3jag> okeee das mooi herman , ikzelf ga het straks ook live mee maken , lijkt me erg leuk zo met groepje tedoen .
[09:42] <OK1KSL> final countdown start
[09:42] Action: fsphil orders a dutch dictionary
[09:42] <Herman-PB0AHX> Stratocaching is up
[09:44] <pd3jag> vanwaar herman?
[09:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Herman-PB0AHX: What is the callsign please?
[09:45] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok land
[09:45] <Herman-PB0AHX> <OK1KSL> live stream here: http://technet.idnes.cz/stratocaching-2014-0kq-/online.aspx?online=1005633
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[09:46] <mclane_> nothing from the stratocaching trackers?
[09:47] <pd3jag> i watch the stream now to tnx herman.
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[09:48] <fb> !flights
[09:48] <SpacenearUS> 03fb: Current flights: 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b), 03EDUPIC5 duration test 10(bc7d), 03MTG002 10(9f1f), 03SP5NVX RTTY 144.67 7n1.5/100 10(8de1), 03STRATOCACHING 2 10(c0d6)
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[09:49] <Rebounder> praha status?
[09:50] <DutchMillbt> !dial EDUPIC5
[09:50] <SpacenearUS> 03DutchMillbt: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC5 10(bc7d): 03144.7 MHz
[09:50] <Herman-PB0AHX> !payload STRATOCACHING 2
[09:50] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[09:50] <Herman-PB0AHX> !payload STRATOCACHING-2
[09:50] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[09:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SKA1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SKA1
[09:55] <DutchMillbt> pd3jag good morning what is the url of the stream?
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[09:57] <Herman-PB0AHX> <OK1KSL> live stream here: http://technet.idnes.cz/stratocaching-2014-0kq-/online.aspx?online=1005633
[09:58] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok i am go to dinner bbl
[09:59] <DutchMillbt> thanz Herman
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[10:04] <OK1KSL> signal is good, but gps is not working
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[10:06] <Rebounder> OK1KSL: :(
[10:09] <fsphil> oh no
[10:10] <OK1KSL> Seed 2 is working with gps !!!!
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[10:21] <jededu> Everybody is having GPS problems uBlox went pop this morning
[10:21] <goopypanther> all of their modules?
[10:21] <jededu> Dont know
[10:24] <Lunar_Lander> ?
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[10:26] <pd3jag> Sorry DUTCHMILLbt is was away but i see you have the link of the stream from Herman.
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[10:28] <DutchMillbt> Yep thankz. whats up with EDUPIC5 by the way ... canceled?
[10:29] <mclane_> no decodes from seed2 yet
[10:31] <mclane_> seed2 gps seems to hang also
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[10:33] <DG0MG> 20.000 m in 52 min --> 385 m/min
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[10:33] <DG0MG> nothing with 'float' ^^
[10:34] <pd3jag> edupic was in duration test i read this in the chat few min ago , so i dont now more of edupic Dutchmillbt.
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[10:40] <fbtl> Hello to all
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[10:43] <mclane_> only one of the aprs trackers seem to work (OK1CDJ-11)
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[10:48] <fsphil> some patchy ssdv from this-morning: http://ssdv.habhub.org/MTG002
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[10:59] <mclane_> seeds seem to been dropped
[11:04] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane_
[11:04] <mclane_> Hi Lunar_Lander
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[11:11] <jededu> Yes EDUPIC cancelled GPS Failed
[11:11] <jededu> When it was hanging from the balloon this morning
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[11:31] <jededu> ping upu
[11:31] <Upu> aye up
[11:31] <Upu> sup with the launch ?
[11:32] <jededu> my ublox died this morning
[11:32] <Upu> interesting died in what way ?
[11:33] <jededu> while hanging on the balloon with seconds to go it has been running ok for the last 3 days solid
[11:33] <Upu> that sounds odd
[11:34] <jededu> the board shutdown because the boost reg overheated
[11:35] <Upu> your saying the GPS shorted out ?
[11:35] <jededu> and ublox was not working I tested the voltage on the scope 3.31 clean
[11:35] <jededu> Dont know how its been file
[11:36] <jededu> fine
[11:36] <jededu> now it just gets warm
[11:36] <Upu> needs some further diagnostics I suspect
[11:36] <Upu> sure its note regulator thats died
[11:36] <Upu> just remove it
[11:36] <Upu> and power it direct
[11:37] <goopypanther> where do you guys source your ublox from?
[11:37] <Upu> my shop generally http://ava.upuaut.net/store
[11:37] <jededu> yes I tested the reg its ok its running now
[11:37] <Upu> I get them from UK Distributor
[11:38] <Upu> I would remove it jededu I've yet to see a ublox die but the regulators do
[11:38] <jededu> ok ill try
[11:38] <jededu> I put a new reg on it its the same
[11:38] <Upu> well try it without the reg first
[11:39] <jededu> but it still gets a position
[11:39] <Upu> with all due respect this is a new untested board
[11:39] <jededu> odd
[11:39] <Upu> yep
[11:39] <jededu> of course things go wrong :)
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[11:58] <jededu> Powered the ublox direct it gets hot
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[12:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SKA3 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SKA3
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[12:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03pu3xgs-11_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=pu3xgs-11_chase
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[12:09] <Laurenceb__> has anyone here tried any gopro hacking?
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[12:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SKA2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SKA2
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[12:16] <pd3jag> dat denk ik niet
[12:16] <pd3jag> vanmorgen waren er veel meer, hoor.
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[12:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Seed1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Seed1
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[12:41] <jededu> ping upu
[12:41] <jededu> Laurenceb__ I modify the lenses but thats all
[12:42] <Laurenceb__> ok
[12:42] <Laurenceb__> i was investigating hacks for changing video + photo mode
[12:44] <pd3jag> bij mij dacht corne dat ik ook jonger was ton hahahaaaa.
[12:44] <mikestir> useless weather forecast
[12:44] <mikestir> <5% chance of rain - it's been raining intermittently all day
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[13:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03pu3xgs_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=pu3xgs_chase
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[13:16] <PD5TON> hoi Rene van PD5TON
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[13:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ELYSIUM - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=ELYSIUM
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[13:28] <Laurenceb__> http://hackaday.com/2014/10/24/using-excel-to-watch-movies-at-work/
[13:28] <Laurenceb__> lolld
[13:31] <PH3V> Hi Ton - Zie nu pas je bericht ;-)
[13:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD Laurenceb__
[13:35] <Lunar_Lander> but IE7
[13:35] <Lunar_Lander> what sort of PC is that :D
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[13:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS3 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=UBSEDS3
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[14:27] <ReadError> Laurenceb__
[14:27] <ReadError> why not sniff the wifi from remote
[14:27] <ReadError> and set shit that way
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[14:41] <maxmed> Hi, some of you will remember that yesterday I having trouble getting any kind of signal out of my NTX2B, today i disconnected it from the rest of the system and supplied +9v to the vcc and EN pins and 0V to the Gnd pin but still couldnt hear a signal on my radio or see a spike on SDR sharp using my dongle. There is a slight increase in the amount of static when I plug in the battery. Any ideas whats wrong?
[14:50] <maxmed> Is it possible that the heat from unsoldering the wires damaged the transmitter?
[14:53] <myself> Did you notice the bit where it says the enable pin is 3v logic?
[14:53] <myself> oh, it later says it should be able to tolerate being pulled up to Vcc, so that's unlikely to have fried anything.
[14:54] <maxmed> I hadn't noticed that- so will it only work if I give the En pin 3v or should it be working with the 9v?
[14:55] <myself> It should work at 9v. Just make sure not to raise enable prior to supplying vcc, and you should be fine.
[14:56] <myself> Are you applying anything to the TXD input, grounding it, or leaving it floating?
[14:57] <maxmed> leaving txd floating, is that a problem?
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[14:58] <myself> I'm not sure. I would assume that it would transmit a pure carrier with no signal in, but it doesn't say specifically.
[14:58] <maxmed> shall i try grounding it or could this cause damage?
[14:58] <myself> It should be harmless to ground Tx.
[14:59] <jededu> It does if you just power it up nothing needs to be connected to the tx pin
[14:59] <jededu> I have a couple here
[15:01] <maxmed> so i shoudl just be able to put +9v to pins 4 and 5 and 0v to pin 6, leave pins 1,2,3 and 7 unconnected and it should produce a clear tone?
[15:09] <maxmed> problem solved- the printed frequency from HAB supplies was wrong! it said it was 434.600 but was infact 434.090!
[15:09] <jededu> Cool at least its working
[15:10] <mfa298> maxmed: you should just need to apply power to vcc and en and gnd back to the 0v on the battery
[15:11] <maxmed> yeah, now I just need to get a new arduino to rebuild the tracker and test if the gps got broken whilst trying to diagnose the problem#
[15:13] <Laurenceb__> ReadError: I can easily set stuff up using the 30pin interface connector
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[15:31] <fsphil> heh, Alan Eustace didn't have as smooth a landing as Felix
[15:32] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[15:56] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y13jbl7ASxY one-on-one with Elon Musk
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> Actually starts at 8 min in.
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[16:26] <maxmed> Hi, I've connected my NTX2B to a 5v arduino mini and am trying to run the example rtty test beacon sketch, i just made a modifcation making pin 6 an output and setting it to high in the setup as pin 6 is connected to the En pin on the transmitter. I am getting a signal but it is not decoding properly, instead i am getting "=^JZJV=^JZJV=^JZJV=^JZJV=^JZJV=^JZJV=^JZJV=^JZJV="... and the baud shift is much less than expected. Any idea
[16:37] <chrisstubbs> maxmed, can you take a recording?
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[17:04] <Dinamica> Hello Everyone, Is this channel already working or only a part of the HAB history?
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[17:06] Action: MaXimaN tries to decode that statement
[17:06] Action: lz1dev ponders life and the universe
[17:08] <edmoore> Dinamica, i get a type error from that dichotomy
[17:08] <edmoore> this channel works
[17:08] Action: ulfr calls on the historians
[17:08] <edmoore> and it has almost all the history of habbing in the uk and europe
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[17:09] <Dinamica> Perfect, Thank you very much. I was reading UKHAS web page and found this channel. It's a surprise for me. I didnt see any IRC channel since 90s
[17:11] <Dinamica> Any Facebook page or Forum to follow the projects and events?
[17:14] <edmoore> it's all a bit disparate for that
[17:14] <edmoore> this is the central place
[17:14] <edmoore> and the ukhas mailing list
[17:14] <edmoore> really otherwise it's the individual blogs of individual projects
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[17:19] <Dinamica> Thank you very much edmoore
[17:20] <Dinamica> I just subscribed the mailing list. And try to follow the bloggers
[17:21] <edmoore> the ukhas wiki has loads of info
[17:21] <Dinamica> I'm new in the UK and now just reading to understand rules and others
[17:21] <edmoore> in a somewhat disorganised way
[17:21] <Dinamica> Yes teh Wiki is helping a lot
[17:24] <Dinamica> I'm an electronic circuit designer and I want to leave some balloons to test some 5.8ghz antennas and fun.
[17:35] <edmoore> oh great
[17:35] <edmoore> v interestd in following your progress
[17:36] <edmoore> we're all keen on building our own trackers but not many have experimented with 5ghz
[17:36] <Dinamica> We are design and manufacturing FPV equipment but dropping plane is impossible in UK, so, I will play with small payloads only. :)
[17:37] <edmoore> nice
[17:37] <edmoore> ir2030 is the useful ofcom document
[17:37] <Dinamica> A friend from Netherland designed a new Tx anteanna and helical receiver antenna and first I want to test them
[17:37] <edmoore> for finding license-free bands for airborne
[17:38] <Dinamica> Thank you, I will check it.
[17:39] <Dinamica> I'm also the designer of opensource 433MHZ RC tx/rx project. Just google OpenLRS
[17:39] <Dinamica> Some companies coppied in china in these days. But all my work
[17:40] <edmoore> it ises the rfm23?
[17:40] <edmoore> uses the*
[17:40] <Dinamica> Yes, 22 and 23
[17:40] <edmoore> lots of rfm22s have flown on balloons
[17:40] <edmoore> but they seemed a bit flaky, especially with temps seen on high alt flights
[17:41] <Dinamica> Also I'm workign with GPS modules since years and designing my own On screen display modules
[17:41] <edmoore> the rfm69 has flown a few times too
[17:44] <Dinamica> We have a lot of RFM22B experience and stock in the company to play :)
[17:45] <Dinamica> Also 2.4 and 5.8ghz video transmitters and micro size cameras. All obselete. This is why I'm searching for some fun :D
[17:46] <edmoore> nice
[17:46] <Dinamica> Can I use hydrogen? or helium is a must?
[17:47] <edmoore> well you've probably come to the right place
[17:47] <edmoore> no one has yet to get video back from a balloon in the uk
[17:47] <edmoore> but, that's probably mostly the fault of ir2030
[17:47] <edmoore> nope hydrogen is fine
[17:47] <edmoore> and much cheaper
[17:47] <edmoore> basically no more dangerous provided you're not in some arid, highly static part of the world, or a smoker
[17:48] <mfa298> Dinamica: you'll need to look at ir2030 (that edmoore linked earlier) as I think the 2.4 and 5.8 use is more restricted than on the ground (although there is still some use in those areas allowed airborne)
[17:48] <mfa298> and definetly interesting to see what can be done.
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[17:49] <Dinamica> OK, I'm reading IR2030 now
[17:51] <Dinamica> I checked the last flights from http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[17:52] <Dinamica> my balloons will land on France I guess, because of my location
[17:52] <mfa298> what sort of area are you in the UK?
[17:53] <Dinamica> Canterbury
[17:53] <Dinamica> Near to Dover
[17:53] <mfa298> the direction can vary during the year as the winds change, you may also have some control by how high you go and how quickly up and down
[17:53] <Dinamica> May be I can enable the transmitters after UK border :D of course I'm joking :)
[17:54] <mfa298> unfortunately the winds don't often go in the right direction for a UK landing from there.
[17:55] <Dinamica> At first I have to watch and ready eveything before the action. Any sugegstion to track other planes? analog receivers? or an SDR works?
[17:55] <mfa298> although there's always the option of launching elsewhere
[17:55] <Dinamica> sorry not planes, balloons
[17:55] <mfa298> a lot of people now are favouring the Funcube Pro+ SDR and a few others with the likes of HackRF and BladeRF
[17:56] <mfa298> generally any radio capable of doing SSB at 434MHz is suitable
[17:56] <mfa298> there's a list of some radios people use on the wiki
[17:56] <mfa298> !wiki tracking guide
[17:56] <SpacenearUS> 03mfa298: Found 0310 results for you query - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/start?do=search&id=tracking%20guide
[17:57] <mfa298> try that 2nd link for some suggestions
[17:57] <Dinamica> I will release disposable equipment like tx, cheap camera, tracker and gps modules. So, another county or landing to sea is not important for me
[17:58] <Dinamica> Perfect! thank you very much for your help
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[17:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
[17:59] <Dinamica> I have an SDR module here, I will make an antenna and track others first
[17:59] <mfa298> the cheap rtlsdrs can work as well but aren't as sensitive as other receivers
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[18:00] <mfa298> I think there's a planned flight tomorrow morning so if you can sort something by then there'll be something to try tracking
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[18:04] <Dinamica> Thank you for great help. Now I have to leave. I will install an IRC client to follow here :)
[18:04] <Dinamica> Cheers
[18:08] <KT5TK> KT5TK-11 solar floater back in the air after landing: http://aprs.fi/#!mt=hybrid&z=15&call=a%2FKT5TK-11&timerange=86400&tail=86400
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[18:10] <LeoBodnar> neato
[18:11] <LeoBodnar> two panels in series?
[18:12] <KT5TK> 4 panels. 2 in series and then parllel
[18:12] <LeoBodnar> like Ron then
[18:13] <KT5TK> Possibly. don't know what he did.
[18:13] <LeoBodnar> i don't either
[18:13] <KT5TK> But my SPV1040 circuit was very inefficient at .5V
[18:13] <LeoBodnar> but educated guess
[18:14] <LeoBodnar> on the ground?
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[18:14] <KT5TK> So I had to bump up the voltage. Yes
[18:14] <LeoBodnar> it get's much better up there
[18:14] <KT5TK> I see that
[18:14] <LeoBodnar> -'
[18:15] <LeoBodnar> lower temperature
[18:15] <KT5TK> But I think I've chosen a bad inductor
[18:15] <LeoBodnar> higher content of UV
[18:16] <KT5TK> I have the feeling that the SPV1040 is way more efficient at 1 V
[18:16] <LeoBodnar> it is
[18:17] <LeoBodnar> it's not magic
[18:17] <LeoBodnar> 0.5v -> 4v is tough
[18:17] <KT5TK> right
[18:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> Hi Leo, Thomas
[18:19] <KT5TK> I need to get higher float altitudes. The tropical humidity kills my flights when we're over the Gulf.
[18:19] <LeoBodnar> Hey Tom
[18:20] <KT5TK> Hi Tom
[18:21] <KT5TK> I guess we have had icing or condensate during the morning hours.
[18:22] <LeoBodnar> or supercooling
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[18:45] <KT5TK> Leo, you can see pictures how I connected the solar panels on my blog: http://kt5tk.wordpress.com
[18:48] <LeoBodnar> that's what i have just looked at :)
[18:49] <LeoBodnar> i have expected exactly the same construction from Ron's tracker
[18:49] <LeoBodnar> but he posted single cell setup
[18:49] <KT5TK> THe PCB antenna for the GPS works fine btw.
[18:50] <SA6BSS> LeoBodnar: What did yoy use to bond the two plastic sheets of your balloons? M3 Double-Sided Bonding Tape ?
[18:50] <LeoBodnar> 3M ?
[18:51] <SA6BSS> hehe 33
[18:51] <SA6BSS> 3m yes
[18:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> im suspecting thermal bonding. Welding?
[18:51] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[18:51] <LeoBodnar> Minnesota Mining & Manufacturing
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[18:51] <LeoBodnar> thermal sealing
[18:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> or ultrasound
[18:52] <LeoBodnar> just heat
[18:52] <SA6BSS> ok
[18:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> yeah, that was the word what i was looking for :-)
[18:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> SA6BSS: sticky tape is not performing well in such low temperatures
[18:53] <Laurenceb__> silicone tape may work
[18:53] <Laurenceb__> but its borderline
[18:53] <SA6BSS> suspected that
[18:53] <LeoBodnar> might work for ZP
[18:53] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[18:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: b64 is super pressure ?
[18:54] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[18:54] <Laurenceb__> silicone lap seal would work
[18:55] <zzqa> KT5TK: nice work on that pecan pico, looks like a fun project
[18:55] <Laurenceb__> but thermal is probably more sane
[18:56] <KT5TK> KT5TK: Yeah, lot of fun. Slow development though because it's really just done in my spare time
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[18:59] Action: SP9UOB-Tom had just removed SD card from my car's tracker. 2.5 years of driving in the log
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[19:00] <zzqa> not to be an arm-chair EE, but have you considered using something tag-connect rather than breakoff ISP? http://hackaday.com/2014/04/27/a-small-replacement-for-large-programming-headers/
[19:00] <zzqa> *something like
[19:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OK1MJO_chase after 037 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=OK1MJO_chase
[19:02] <LeoBodnar> anything on HaD is evil
[19:02] <qyx_> i read "patent pending" and closed it
[19:02] <qyx_> no innovation allowed
[19:02] <LeoBodnar> for pogo pins?
[19:03] <KT5TK> Yeah, thought about Tag Connect, but I've purchased a bag of ~500 6 pin ICP headers for a dollar on a flea market recently, so the break-off header is essentially free for me.
[19:03] <qyx_> for this tagconnect
[19:03] <zzqa> eh, their is prior art, they aren't the first to do pogo-pin based programmers
[19:03] <zzqa> KT5TK: heh good answer
[19:03] <LeoBodnar> the design is patent pending, what's wrong with that?
[19:03] <LeoBodnar> it just means you can't copy it verbatim
[19:04] <KT5TK> It's easy to get a patent pending status
[19:04] <KT5TK> but that's not a patent yet
[19:05] <LeoBodnar> many language mnemonics are patented so what?
[19:05] <LeoBodnar> but overall patents are stifling the progress
[19:05] <zzqa> qyx_: do you avoid all commercial microcontrollers to keep away from patents as well?
[19:06] <KT5TK> Leo: That's what they try at least
[19:06] <KT5TK> Like in the cold war
[19:09] <qyx_> zzqa: that's an ideological issue, I am not avoiding them, I just think they don't serve their purpose
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[19:11] <zzqa> notice how I said "something like" and not "you should implement this tech that someone is trying to make money on" there are many ways to skin a cat. You might miss out on something that expands your horizons or sparks some creativity if you close browser windows whenever you see the phrase "patent pending"
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[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> zzqa, thanks for the hackaday link, looks interesting
[19:12] <LeoBodnar> tagconnects were around for a decade
[19:12] <LeoBodnar> then suddenly HaD discovers them
[19:12] <LeoBodnar> and how does hacking come to it?
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:13] <zzqa> not everyone has been doing hardware for a decade, I appreciate links like that helping folks catch up
[19:13] <edmoore> best to assume lots of confusion and bs on HaD
[19:13] <LeoBodnar> it's just shit
[19:13] <edmoore> they're web bloggers not engineers
[19:14] <LeoBodnar> they have a hacking block
[19:14] <edmoore> duly forwarned you can proceed
[19:14] <LeoBodnar> The Daily Mail of EE
[19:15] <zzqa> how does so much cool stuff get done in here when there are folks who are so quick to piss all over things?
[19:15] <arko> because haters gonna hate
[19:15] <zzqa> ^
[19:15] <LeoBodnar> lol
[19:15] <arko> best ignore the nosie
[19:15] <arko> noise*
[19:15] <zzqa> ./afk got shit to get done
[19:16] <LeoBodnar> zzqa: it just friendly piss taking
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[19:16] <qyx_> nah, interwebs, now i am called hater
[19:16] <LeoBodnar> lol
[19:16] <edmoore> that's like saying how come people put man on the moon without hackaday
[19:16] <LeoBodnar> now that escalated quickly
[19:16] <edmoore> because they were just engineers who understood the fundamentals?
[19:17] <arko> haha
[19:17] <edmoore> HaD is the noise
[19:17] <edmoore> not us
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[19:17] <LeoBodnar> where's me man on the moon instructables?
[19:17] <arko> new Make project
[19:17] <edmoore> why didn't they just use an arduino
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[19:18] <qyx_> i assume the would be dead on halfwa
[19:18] <qyx_> y
[19:18] <LeoBodnar> i am rebooting
[19:18] <LeoBodnar> in the moon ones
[19:18] <arko> apollo.ino
[19:19] <KT5TK> arko: rofl
[19:19] <fsphil> "Uh Huston we did a windows update and now all our serial control is broken."
[19:19] <arko> hahahaha
[19:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> http://img-9gag-lol.9cache.com/photo/a7K1Dom_460s_v1.jpg
[19:19] <fsphil> scary, because they do use Windows on the ISS
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[19:20] <qyx_> hopefully not for mission critical tasks
[19:21] <ulfr> heh
[19:23] <LeoBodnar> i thought they were resetting com ports ecery few minutes while testing this big rocket LDSP thing [20:19] <fsphil> "Uh Huston we did a windows update and now all our serial control is broken."
[19:24] <qyx_> hah i remember that
[19:26] <qyx_> LDSD it was
[19:27] <KT5TK> Maybe LSD
[19:28] <ulfr> Limited slip differential? Nah..
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[19:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> guten abend Sven
[19:33] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: hi tom!
[19:33] <DL7AD> recently came home
[19:33] <ulfr> Is it Major Tom?
[19:34] <ulfr> Hi Sven btw.
[19:34] <DL7AD> :D hi samuel
[19:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> ulfr: Major ?
[19:36] <ulfr> "Ground control to Major Tom"
[19:36] <ulfr>
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[19:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> ;-)
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[19:37] <LeoBodnar> what an odd comment
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[19:37] <ulfr> LeoBodnar: mine?
[19:38] <ulfr> I'm an icelander, what do you expect!
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> sneaked one past ya
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> hi Tom and Sven :)
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> Iceland rocks!
[19:39] <DL7AD> hi felix und leo
[19:39] <KT5TK> und?
[19:40] <DL7AD> ich war rückfällig :D
[19:40] <LeoBodnar> ist gut
[19:40] <KT5TK> haha
[19:40] <DL7AD> :D
[19:40] <ulfr> yes.
[19:40] <ulfr> its mostly made out of rocks.
[19:41] <ulfr> we're adding a bit to it right now.
[19:41] <KT5TK> DL7AD: KT5TK-11 has landed and is up again.
[19:41] <ulfr> Did it stop for a refill?
[19:41] <DL7AD> i didnt even notice KT5TK-11
[19:42] <KT5TK> ulfr: Likely humidity over the Gulf.
[19:42] <DL7AD> ulfr: probably
[19:42] <KT5TK> It launched autonomously
[19:42] <DL7AD> KT5TK: will it pass the border?
[19:42] <KT5TK> maybe illegally...
[19:43] <ulfr> hah
[19:43] <KT5TK> If the border guards don't shoot it
[19:44] <DL7AD> :D
[19:44] <DL7AD> KT5TK: they wont. remember leos attempt to pass best korea
[19:46] <KT5TK> But they may be better equipped... If they take their laser weapons, the H2 may explode...
[19:47] <LeoBodnar> you are flying hydrogen?
[19:47] <KT5TK> yes
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[19:49] <KT5TK> This time. We've had some rest left in the cylinder and wanted to return it.
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[19:51] <KT5TK> I never got around to use my self produced h2 in a tracker flight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGrVSrXhfLw
[19:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> KT5TK: i dit this - but no electrolyse
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[19:54] <KT5TK> NaOH + Al?
[19:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> KT5TK: just NaOH and aluminium :-)
[19:55] <KT5TK> Yeah, tried this too, but that leaves all this dirty trash
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[19:56] <KT5TK> I actually produced "green" H2 with this apparatus and a 12 V solar panel.
[19:57] <KT5TK> Works great, but it takes a day or two to fill a foil balloon
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[20:21] <gonzo_nb> should H2 be green?
[20:22] <KT5TK> :) not by color. But this energy containing H2 was produced carbon dioxide neutral.
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[20:29] <gonzo_nb> hehe, that was sarcasm
[20:32] <edmoore> have we sufficiently upset our zz* guest?
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[20:55] <Upu> did I miss some drama ?
[20:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening UPU
[20:56] <Upu> evening Tom
[20:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK1ALX_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=OK1ALX_chase
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> good night :)
[20:59] <Upu> night Kevin
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[22:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 039735834999_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=9735834999_chase
[22:41] <Laurenceb__> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/EMW3162-WiFi-Module-p-2122.html
[22:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0300919735834999_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=00919735834999_chase
[22:43] <mattbrejza> whats up with that pcb antenna
[22:43] <mattbrejza> vias all over it
[22:46] <kf7fer> Looks like the antenna trace is on both sides and the vias connect them?
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[22:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS3 after 038 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=UBSEDS3
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[22:52] <kf7fer> ljenkins: It works fine but I've got something newer; I need to update github. I'll drop you a mail with some details. Nice work on the badges btw
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[23:22] <Laurenceb__> B-64 might appear in the next few hours
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[23:24] <Laurenceb__> odd
[23:24] <Laurenceb__> hysplit went to 8 days then back to 4 days
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[23:56] <goopypanther> how long does it usually take for b-64 to come back into aprs range after entering the pacific? couple days?
[23:59] <SpeedEvil> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/
[23:59] <SpeedEvil> now, click 'hysplit'
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