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[01:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03573122690540_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=573122690540_chase
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[02:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RA4NHY after 036 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=RA4NHY
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[05:02] <ok1cdj> gm
[05:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03nautilus_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=nautilus_chase
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[06:36] <ok1cdj> i have problem with fl-digi compiled on lubuntu 14.04, with arg --hab crach... without --hab running.. any idea ??
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[06:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EDUPIC5 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC5
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[07:07] <jededu> !flights
[07:07] <SpacenearUS> 03jededu: Current flights: 03PYTIN-1 434.500MHz 10(d8de), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
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[07:26] <jededu> !EDUPIC5
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[07:38] <sp5nvx> Hi, aprove doc: d138d8e5b2e9e78accbf9ba85ed18de1 please. Tnx.
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[08:56] <craag> fb makes irc 2.0 http://www.rooms.me/
[08:57] <jededu> craag did you get the balloons
[08:57] <craag> jededu: Yes, arrived yesterday - thanks!
[08:58] <jededu> Ok :)
[08:58] <craag> you going back to just foils for now then?
[08:58] <edmoore> you've foiled me for the last time
[08:58] <edmoore> i'd have got away with it if it wasn't for your pisky kids
[08:59] <jededu> 100 g pawans are ok but I have had quality issues with them so foils it is
[08:59] <craag> fair enough - good luck for tomorrow!
[09:00] <jededu> I have some larger flights planned the pi's are all setup and ready to go, Thanks!
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[09:02] <craag> Good to hear :)
[09:03] <craag> Are they done in BASIC too?
[09:04] <lz1dev> did someone say basic?
[09:04] <lz1dev> coz I felt a sharp pain in my knee
[09:04] <daveake> goto bed
[09:05] <edmoore> if you're going to be unstructured you might aswell do it in assembly
[09:06] <edmoore> http://www.quickmeme.com/img/fc/fc3646a02beca4bbf6c05e711f81c0eb354d253149028d9ce0fca9def3aaf63a.jpg
[09:07] <craag> btw I was genuinely asking - not taking the piss - unlike these gentlemen
[09:07] <edmoore> i don't think I've ever taken the piss in my life
[09:07] <lz1dev> let me = 'sorry'
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[09:08] <craag> Wasn't meant harshly - just making it clear I'm not ungrateful for free balloons :)
[09:10] <craag> anyway - ftdi drivers coming to linux soon(tm) https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/10/23/129
[09:10] <edmoore> yes that was amusing
[09:11] <goopypanther> In all seriousness though, they're patching the usb code to support ftdi chips with PID 0
[09:13] <craag> Yeah I saw that - could someone write a driver patch for windows to do that too?
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[09:15] <goopypanther> probably, I remember having to install a modified driver for a different vendor that locked out knockoff usb/serial converters
[09:15] <edmoore> i think that patch is called a linux livecd?
[09:15] <edmoore> insert, restart, enter enter enter
[09:15] <edmoore> fixed
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[09:33] <Johnburrows> Hi
[09:33] <jededu> craag the backup tracker is in basic :) bot not the Pi
[09:33] <craag> k :)
[09:35] <edmoore> greetings Johnburrows
[09:40] <Johnburrows> H Edmoore. I am interested in launching a weather balloon purely for collecting weather data with possibly a radio sonde. Have read most articles about the stet ting up the baloon, launch etc. Does anyone know the best way to collect the data from the sonde, I am using a mac with a rtl- sdr and that's where I come to a dead end as can't seem to find any dedicated software
[09:41] <Johnburrows> Any pointers would be much appreciated thanks
[09:41] <edmoore> sure, well welcome and you've come to the right place
[09:41] <edmoore> so, I've not set up an sdr software on a mac myself
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[09:42] <edmoore> however i believe people use gqrx on osx
[09:42] <edmoore> which is a nice sdr program to talk to the rtl-sdr
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[09:42] <Johnburrows> I have the sdr working it's more a case of decoding the data from the sonde. I am sure I will ask plenty more questions so my apologies. The project is only in the early stages
[09:43] <edmoore> are these sondes used by meteorological agencies or the more amateur-radio style things that we do?
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[09:45] <Johnburrows> That's something I also need advice on, choosing and buying a sonde, I have found several for sale mainly on ebay, I assume these are surplus agency stock
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[09:45] <SpeedEvil> They generally do not come with protocol documentation
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[09:46] <SpeedEvil> There is a windows software package that's been done to reverse engineer it - but there is no protocol info
[09:46] <SpeedEvil> AIUI
[09:46] <Upu> I wouldn't buy a met office one and launch it
[09:46] <fsphil> the frequency they transmit on will likely be regulated where you're launching
[09:46] <Upu> first you're not actually allowed to use that frequency without a license
[09:46] <Johnburrows> Ok that's a start thanks
[09:46] <Upu> I would suggest you make your own transmitter
[09:47] <edmoore> yeah, on here we tend to build our own trackers anf fly them
[09:47] <SpeedEvil> Johnburrows: what's your intent?
[09:47] <Upu> based around the UKHAS protocol
[09:47] <SpeedEvil> A simple microcontroller and GPS and transmitter isn't hard
[09:47] <edmoore> before that you might find it interesting to track other people's to get an idea of what's involved
[09:47] <Upu> Start here : http://ukhas.org.uk/
[09:47] <SpeedEvil> It's a good first micro project even
[09:47] <Upu> look at other peoples projects
[09:47] <Upu> see how they did it
[09:47] <SpeedEvil> Johnburrows: also - where intheworld are you
[09:47] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:beginners_guide_to_high_altitude_ballooning
[09:47] <Johnburrows> I am only really interested in collecting weather data but only on an amateur basis
[09:47] <SpeedEvil> Johnburrows: And what sort of thing do you intend to launch
[09:47] <SpeedEvil> ah
[09:47] <Johnburrows> I am in the uk
[09:48] <Upu> you can recieve met office Sonde launches
[09:48] <SpeedEvil> Oooh
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[09:48] <SpeedEvil> I somehow missed B64s korean adventure yesterday
[09:48] <Upu> using weather balloons for actual weather data
[09:48] <Upu> get outta here :o)
[09:48] <daveake> shocking :)
[09:49] <SpeedEvil> Also- wait
[09:49] <day> what type of weather data would you collect with the balloon?
[09:49] <SpeedEvil> Isn'tthat solidly in the hadley cell now?
[09:50] <Johnburrows> Temperature, pressure, humidity, altitude etc....
[09:50] <Upu> its quite south
[09:50] <Upu> you can record anything you want Johnburrows if you do it yourself
[09:51] <Johnburrows> Yes I have read a few articles from others who have made their own projects
[09:51] <fsphil> it would be super cool if B-64 became the first balloon to visit both poles
[09:51] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: hah
[09:52] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: Aren't there fuck-all APRS at that sidethough
[09:52] <Johnburrows> My main concern is will I be able to collect my data on mac, most others seem to use pc
[09:52] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: so we'd never know
[09:52] <fsphil> SpeedEvil: yea was thinking that
[09:52] <edmoore> it's fine on a mac
[09:52] <edmoore> worry not
[09:52] <Upu> dl-fldigi works on a mac
[09:52] <lz1dev> we won't know, since there is very sparse aprs coverage in the northen hemisphere
[09:52] <Upu> also many others will be receiving it
[09:52] <SpeedEvil> lz1dev: pssst. 'your other north'
[09:52] <fsphil> SpeedEvil: it would need to hit australia pretty quick for us to see the logs
[09:52] <edmoore> we have dl-fldigi
[09:52] <lz1dev> damn
[09:52] <lz1dev> southern :D
[09:52] <edmoore> it accepts audio input and decodes the data
[09:53] <edmoore> with a conventional ham radio receiver, audio is produced as the output and we put that into the line-in of the computer and dlfldigi goes from there
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[09:53] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: A proper equatorial crossing would bequite awesome
[09:53] <Johnburrows> Ok thanks I will have a look at that
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[09:53] <edmoore> with rtl-sdr, we must convert the decoded signals into virtual audio as a virtual audio device that fldigi thinks is a soundcard, and can then use
[09:54] <edmoore> this is described here
[09:54] <edmoore> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker
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[09:54] <edmoore> so there are two stages - getting from radio waves to 'audio', and then decoding audio into data
[09:54] <edmoore> dl-fldigi does the second one, and gqrx on a mac can, i believe, do the first
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[09:54] <Johnburrows> Ok great I already use gqrx
[09:54] <edmoore> some SDRs like the funcube dongle automatically appear as an audio device
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[09:55] <Johnburrows> And that works quite nicely with the sdr
[09:55] <edmoore> ok, well if you can make the output of gqrx go to dl-fldigi (should be able to) then you're all set
[09:56] <edmoore> as others have said, we all make our own payloads to fly
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[09:56] <edmoore> that way you can fly whatever experiments you like, and it's a fun challenge
[09:57] <Johnburrows> Ok will look into this. And I agree I would like to create my own, much more fun. Thank you all for your help. I am sure I will be calling on your expertise again soon.
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[09:58] <edmoore> no problem
[09:58] <edmoore> just lurking on this channel can be useful
[09:58] <edmoore> you pick up stuff my osmosis
[09:58] <fsphil> haha, yes that's true
[09:58] <edmoore> and I thoroughly recommend being on the ukhas mailing list on which flights are announced
[09:59] <edmoore> so you can have a go at tracking them
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[09:59] <edmoore> that will demystify a lot of the process
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[09:59] <edmoore> gosh, freenode is having a bad day isn't it
[09:59] <Johnburrows> Ok will do. Cheers
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[10:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Johnburrows, the only software for decoding the standard ballons is this http://www.coaa.co.uk/sondemonitor.htm
[10:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> it only runs on a PC however not a Mac to my knowledge.
[10:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> I use it quite frequently to track the Sondes in the south of the UK and some of the French ones.
[10:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> You can see the results and some other info here http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2013_Flights/WeatherSondes/
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[10:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Oh he's gone should have looked first!
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[10:35] <mfa298> edmoore: reading some of the scrollback, whilst the FCD appears as an audio device it's sending the I&Q channels over than interface so ideally you still need something like gqrx
[10:35] <mfa298> and he just left ....
[10:35] <fsphil> I have used it directory before
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[10:35] <fsphil> but yea not ideal
[10:36] <fsphil> directly*
[10:36] <mfa298> I think a few people have done that by mistake as well and then complained that it's not very sensitive.
[10:38] <fsphil> yea it's very quiet
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[10:39] <fsphil> though that should be fixable
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[10:39] <fsphil> simple iq > real option would be nice
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[10:43] <craag> I've wondered whether you could break out the tuner i2c and baseband and plug it straight into an stm32 for decode and tuning..
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[10:47] <fsphil> yea I'd love to make a little stm32-based radio. make a nice replacement to the ft817
[10:47] <fsphil> have all the RF done in software, just need some output filtering and amplification
[10:47] <fsphil> with a big front oled display
[10:48] <fsphil> and a good battery
[10:49] <craag> like a smaller vhf/uhf version of the mchf
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[10:49] <fsphil> oh that's cute, didn't know about that
[10:50] <fsphil> very similar to that yes
[10:50] <fsphil> the vhf and uhf parts would need a mixer, the HF stuff could probably be done direct
[10:53] <craag> Do we know what the tuner IC in the fcdpp is?
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[10:58] <fsphil> I had mine opened, can't find the pics
[10:58] <fsphil> Darkside might remember if he's around
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[11:00] <Darkside> oh
[11:00] <Darkside> its a mirics Msi003 i think
[11:01] <Darkside> or maybe Msi001 ?
[11:01] <Darkside> something by Mirics anyway
[11:01] <fsphil> "Mirics MSi001 or MSi002 (only difference is SPI vs. I2C interface)"
[11:01] <craag> ah those turned up recently in DATV on 147MHz discussions
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[11:02] <craag> Apparently they have a few keen ham engineers
[11:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03pa3xxx_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=pa3xxx_chase
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03pa3fnr_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=pa3fnr_chase
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[11:35] <fsphil> has there been much on 147 yet?
[11:35] <craag> not yet afaik
[11:36] <craag> I grabbed an NoV but managed to get one with my callsign and my club's license number
[11:36] <fsphil> oops
[11:36] <craag> Still waiting to hear back from rsgb about that
[11:36] <craag> yeah my fault, copied the wrong number
[11:38] <craag> We'll be sticking 147 on the websdr as an extra band soon
[11:39] <Darkside> lol
[11:39] <craag> So can monitor a sample of the activity on there
[11:39] <Darkside> welcome to 146-148
[11:39] <Darkside> oh wait
[11:39] <Darkside> you dont have 147-148 >_>
[11:39] <craag> :|
[11:43] <fsphil> we don't really have 146-147 either
[11:44] <fsphil> it all goes away at some point
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[11:46] <craag> The DATV guys are really keen to use this to show ofcom that ham radio is capable of innovation
[11:46] <fsphil> a nice narrowband video mode would be nice
[11:46] <fsphil> narrow as in ~100khz
[11:47] <craag> The DATV Express board is very programmable in terms of bitrate and bandwidth
[11:47] <craag> I think charles is writing a lot of support for narrow stuff in now
[11:48] <craag> The question is what your link budget is
[11:50] <craag> Ah he's got 1MHz DVB-T working
[11:50] <fsphil> oh nice
[11:50] <fsphil> is that a standard mode?
[11:50] <craag> https://twitter.com/g4guo
[11:51] <Darkside> oh god
[11:51] <Darkside> the left connector
[11:51] <Darkside> i HATE those
[11:51] <craag> No idea, but even with some of the narrow 'standard' modes, there's only a subset of set-top boxes that are capable of rxing them
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[11:51] <craag> on DVB-S at least
[11:51] <fsphil> Darkside: what is that? never seen one
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[11:52] <Darkside> ahh its a common military mic connector
[11:52] <Darkside> they're a pain in teh ass to use
[11:52] <LazyLeopard> ...and the 146-147 geographic limits are... interesting.
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[11:53] <fsphil> we might have limits in NI due to being near the border
[11:53] <fsphil> I don't think they have 146-147 in .ie
[11:54] <LazyLeopard> fsphil: Yeah, only a small part of NI will be able to use 146-147.
[11:54] <fsphil> yea doubt I can, I can hear at least one repeater from the south
[11:54] <fsphil> don't have any hardware anyway. though the datv express is tempting :)
[11:55] <LazyLeopard> Similarly down in Kent, the west of Wales, and a fair bit of Scotland...
[11:55] <fsphil> scotland?
[11:55] <fsphil> famous for its long borders
[11:55] <LazyLeopard> http://rsgb.org/main/operating/band-plans/vhf-uhf/vhf-spectrum-release/
[11:55] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, Scotland...
[11:56] <fsphil> yep I'm in a red area
[11:56] <SpeedEvil> and the maximum permitted antenna height is 20m above ground level.
[11:56] <LazyLeopard> I think I am, too.
[11:56] <SpeedEvil> Low altitude floaters only
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[11:56] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[11:59] <DL7AD> !hysplit B-64
[11:59] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141024-10_155724_B64.gif
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[12:11] <Laurenceb> who was helping me last night with beaglebone?
[12:11] <Laurenceb> i forgot :-/
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[12:14] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb: [23:39] <mikestir> does cat /proc/cpuinfo give you a board name?
[12:14] <Laurenceb> Hardware : Generic AM33XX
[12:15] <Laurenceb> ooh i think i got somewhere with latest kernel
[12:15] <Laurenceb> echo on > /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb1/power/level
[12:15] <Laurenceb> and gopro boots as mass storage
[12:16] <Laurenceb> but doesnt mount
[12:18] <Laurenceb> Disk /dev/mmcblk0boot1 doesn't contain a valid partition table
[12:18] <Laurenceb> uh oh
[12:18] <adamgreig> sure it's not appearing elsewhere as a /dev/sd*?
[12:20] <Laurenceb> ah yeah, /dev/sda1
[12:20] <Laurenceb> but nothing in media
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[12:22] <adamgreig> you'd have to make a dir in media and mount it from there
[12:22] <adamgreig> but /dev/sda1 is probably your own sd card not a gopro
[12:22] <Laurenceb> nope, im running from emmc
[12:23] <adamgreig> where does that appear?
[12:23] <adamgreig> well you can run 'mount' to check what device your root is
[12:23] <Laurenceb> /dev/mmcblk0p2 198656 3751935 1776640 83 Linux
[12:23] <adamgreig> huh fe
[12:25] <Laurenceb> got it now, thanks
[12:25] <Laurenceb> not exaclt easy :P
[12:25] <mikestir> mmcblkxxx is nand flash
[12:25] <mikestir> do a dmesg before and after plugging the gopro in - that should reveal if it's being detected as mass storage and what the device node is
[12:26] <Laurenceb> ok
[12:26] <lz1dev> lsusb ?
[12:27] <Laurenceb> yeah it was detected as mass storage
[12:27] <Laurenceb> but only mounted in /dev
[12:27] <mikestir> well you can always mount it manually
[12:27] <mikestir> mkdir /media/gopro
[12:27] <Laurenceb> yeah thats what ive done
[12:27] <mikestir> any luck?
[12:28] <Laurenceb> yup, can read it
[12:28] <Laurenceb> seems to work fine with v_usb at 3.5v from a lipo
[12:28] <Laurenceb> theres no step up on the PMIC
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[12:33] <Laurenceb> now i just need to work out how to turn the usb off again
[12:34] <mikestir> I assume you tried: echo off > /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb1/power/level
[12:34] <Laurenceb> yeah
[12:34] <Laurenceb> write error: Invalid argument
[12:34] <Laurenceb> and auto doesnt do anything
[12:35] <mikestir> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/ABI/obsolete/sysfs-bus-usb
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[12:36] <mikestir> so - anyone on here familar with freertos?
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[12:50] <Laurenceb> hmf no luck
[12:50] <Laurenceb> i tried all these
[12:50] <Laurenceb> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/13281/disable-usb-power-for-usb-controlled-power-strip
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[12:54] <fsphil> hehe, this looks fake: http://www.nasa.gov/press/2014/october/close-encounters-comet-siding-spring-seen-next-to-mars/index.html
[12:55] <fsphil> oh it is fake
[12:55] <fsphil> ish
[12:55] <Laurenceb> hmf
[12:55] <Laurenceb> i should give up and use stm32
[12:58] <adamgreig> probably for the best :P
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[13:09] <tweetBot> @AKA2112: #RSGB response to #Ofcom licence consultation suggests NoV's for aeronautical operation http://t.co/aVVL6aL2v3 #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas
[13:11] <fsphil> woo
[13:11] <Laurenceb> nice
[13:11] <fsphil> ofcom won't
[13:11] <fsphil> but still nice of them to try
[13:13] <Laurenceb> hmmm
[13:13] <Laurenceb> looks like i can unbind usb devices
[13:13] <Laurenceb> but the usb rail says high
[13:13] <Laurenceb> actually thats kind of in spec
[13:13] <Laurenceb> grrrr
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[13:17] <Laurenceb> it seems that the usb power is turned off when a device is plugged in with the BBB running
[13:18] <Laurenceb> very odd
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[13:19] <ok1cdj> ga
[13:20] <nats`> Laurenceb ultra sensitive current protection ?
[13:21] <Laurenceb> maybe
[13:21] <Laurenceb> either way, that problem is fixable
[13:21] <Laurenceb> oh i know
[13:21] <Laurenceb> BBB does current sense and shutoff
[13:21] <Laurenceb> the gopro treats everything as a charger, and draws 500ma
[13:22] <Laurenceb> so the BBB should kill the power, as its an unenumerated device until you press mode
[13:22] <Laurenceb> that explains that one
[13:23] <Laurenceb> i might have to hack the board - connect some gpio to the usb host power manager ic
[13:26] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: NoV's suggested by #RSGB for Airborne #AmateurRadio http://t.co/oPzDJ1xA7W #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas
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[13:33] <nnead> hello
[13:34] <gonzo_> I missed that reference in the RSGB doc
[13:34] <gonzo_> though I did add mention in my response
[13:35] <Laurenceb> what fun
[13:35] <Laurenceb> now usb has stopped working ocmpletely
[13:35] <Laurenceb> im going to have to find a shredder to dispose of this junk
[13:36] <nnead> hello, could somebody explain (or provide a link) how to convert pictures take with the raspberry camera to ssdv?
[13:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX4 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VORTEX4
[13:37] <nnead> i have build a setup to send chars with ntx2 via rtty, but could not find any information about ssdv (just sstv)
[13:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> !wiki ssdv
[13:38] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Wiki page 03ssdv (guides) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ssdv
[13:38] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Wiki page 03ssdvforhab (ideas) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/ideas:ssdvforhab
[13:40] <nnead> stupid me, ok thank you
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Unless you use the channel regularly you easily miss the additions to the robots!
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> The other route is speak on here with fsphil who designed and wrote it ;-)
[13:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ok1mfi_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=ok1mfi_chase
[13:43] <fsphil> huh, second link is interesting
[13:44] <fsphil> nnead: you need the ssdv encoder at https://github.com/fsphil/ssdv
[13:44] <fsphil> compile and install that on the pi
[13:44] <fsphil> and you can use it to convert your jpegs into ssdv data, which you send over the radio
[13:45] <nnead> hello fsphil iam looking right now at your code, thank you very much for sharing
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[14:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK1MJO_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=OK1MJO_chase
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[14:58] <maxmed> Hi, am I right in thinking that i can connect pin 4 on the NTX2B to pin 6 on an arduino pro mini 3.3v then just set that pin to high during the setup and it should work as expected?
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[15:05] <fsphil> maxmed: yep
[15:06] <maxmed> Thats annoying then as I can't figure out what else could be causing the problem!
[15:07] <fsphil> what's happening?
[15:09] <maxmed> tried to run tracking code on arduino pro mini, NTX2B and ublox GPS but wasnt receieiving anything on my radio so then uploaded the example "fade" code to test the NTX2B with 2 lines added to make pin 6 an output and set it to high, still got nothing at all on the radio
[15:10] <maxmed> I'll try and dig out my USB dongle radio to see if maybe it is transmitting on a frequency different to the one on the label
[15:11] <fsphil> try powering up the ntx2b on its own
[15:11] <fsphil> with nothing connected to it
[15:11] <fsphil> you should still get a carrier signal
[15:11] <fsphil> (when EN is wired to VCC)
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[15:18] <maxmed> so just EN and VCC connected to positive and GND to negative of battery? I'll try but all the pins are wired directly to the arduino and are covered in heatshrink!
[15:22] <maxmed> The volume of teh static noise does noticeably increase when I directly power it up
[15:23] <craag> what voltage of battery?
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[15:25] <maxmed> running it off the programmer's VCC so 3.3v
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[15:29] <myself> The programmer's 3.3v is incredibly weak, just a few mA as reference, it's not meant to be a system Vcc, and absolutely inappropriate to supply a transmitter which needs huge current in very short bursts.
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[15:29] <myself> The overall average current drawn by the transmitter may be low because it operates at very low duty cycle, but it's bursty and you need a stiff power supply to cope with that.
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[15:32] <maxmed> ok, I'll try and find a connector so I can plug it into a battery. As I said teh NTX2B did produce a noticible increase in static when powered directly from the programmer but I just tried to run a sketch to alternate pin 6 (which was connected to EN) between high and low but didnt here the difference in static
[15:33] <fsphil> what receiver do you have?
[15:33] <maxmed> Yupiteru MVT-7100 Mulitband Receiver
[15:34] <fsphil> in USB mode you should hear a strong carrier from the ntx2
[15:34] <mfa298> have you checked the reciever is set to usb (hopefully silly question)
[15:34] <fsphil> without any modulation it'll just sound like a single tone
[15:35] <fsphil> you will probably have to tune around a bit to hear it -- it's never on the expected frequency
[15:36] <maxmed> I thought that was a silly question then looked at receiver and was in LSB mode- been a while since i used it I can't remember if they are the same thing?
[15:36] <fsphil> LSB is the same, but reversed
[15:36] <mfa298> should still work in LSB just the tones will be reversed
[15:36] <mfa298> and you'll need to tune a bit the other way to find the signal
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[15:37] <maxmed> how far either way would you say?
[15:37] <fsphil> +/- 10khz
[15:37] <fsphil> but probably less
[15:38] <fsphil> you won't miss it
[15:38] <fsphil> it'll be a loud tone
[15:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=CALLSIGN123_chase
[15:39] <maxmed> will it matter if the receiver battery is dying? (can still hear static loudly but screen is dimming)
[15:39] <fsphil> possibly
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[15:54] <maxmed> put new batteries in the receiver and connected a 9v block battery to the arduino now running a sketch that just set pin 6 to output and then set it to high in the void loop then delay for 1s. Couldnt find a tone so connected batery directly to VCC, EN and GND pins of NTX2B (whilst it was still plugged into arduino)- couldnt here a tone at central frequency and realized that as it was still connecte dto teh arduino thi shad sent 9
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[15:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EDUPIC5 after 038 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC5
[15:56] <fsphil> you put 9v into an arduino's IO pins? :)
[15:56] <fsphil> risky
[15:56] <mfa298> 9v direct into the arduino (which is what your last test sounds like) might not be too good for it
[15:56] <edmoore> he's testing the avr's diodes
[15:56] <myself> into the Vin pin would be OK, it has an onboard regulator
[15:56] <Laurenceb> so... has anyone here got a beaglebone?
[15:57] <myself> however, into Vcc beyond the regulator, that'll smoke someting.
[15:57] <fsphil> Laurenceb: I do.... but I've never used it
[15:57] <Laurenceb> ah
[15:57] Action: mfa298 hopes the ntx2 vcc isn't connected to the same as the avr vcc
[15:57] <fsphil> sorry
[15:57] <Laurenceb> fsphil: do you have a usb cable?
[15:57] <fsphil> I have many
[15:57] <Laurenceb> could you try plugging it in to see if usb ethernet works out of the box
[15:57] <Laurenceb> as its broken here
[15:57] <fsphil> one sec
[15:57] <myself> Well, either it'll smoke something, or the AVR's protection diodes will go into avalanche or something and short the battery, heating up the chip.. heh.
[15:58] <Laurenceb> like everything else about this piece of junk
[15:58] <myself> Laurenceb: /j #beagle
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[16:00] <fsphil> powering up
[16:00] <maxmed> yeah 9v went into pin 6 and teh VCC pin which is also connected to teh Ublox's VCC pin! sounds like the NTX2B isnt working and now the rest of teh electronics porbably wont be working either.
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[16:01] <fsphil> or your receiver isn't working
[16:01] <fsphil> you can't rule that out either
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[16:01] <Laurenceb> fsphil: can you ssh it?
[16:01] <fsphil> Laurenceb: nothing on the host pc so far
[16:02] <Laurenceb> :-/
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[16:02] <mfa298> maxmed: unless you've got the 5v version of the ublox you might have smoked that as well if you put 9v into that
[16:02] <fsphil> I'm powering it via the usb port, assume it should work
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[16:02] <fsphil> I don't have a 5v supply handy
[16:02] <Laurenceb> oooh mine works
[16:02] <Laurenceb> i rebooted
[16:03] <Laurenceb> now i have to rescue my files
[16:03] <Laurenceb> i flashed it with factory default
[16:03] <jededu> I think the NTX2 is good upto 15v it has an internal reg
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[16:03] <Laurenceb> then try an experimental kernel that might just make it usable...
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[16:04] <maxmed> Looks like arduino is still working- could be that pin 6 doesnt work? I only realized afterwards what I had done as before I was powering the NTX2B with 3.3v so it wouldn't matter
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[16:04] <mfa298> jededu: the ntx2 is good to something quite high, but it sounds like he had the avr and ublox vcc connected to the ntx2 vcc when testing it with a 9v battery (so ntx2 will be ok, but avr and ublox may not have been happy with that)
[16:05] <jededu> No probally not :)
[16:10] <maxmed> just founf my SDR dongle and plugged that in, connected the arduino to the 9v battery and light on arduino comes on but still not tone detected
[16:10] <fsphil> measure the voltages at the ntx2's vcc and en pins
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[16:13] <maxmed> ah ha- VCC is at around 3v but EN is at 0v- either something wrong with the sketch or arduino
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[16:13] <fsphil> bingo
[16:14] <maxmed> Should this sketch work? : void setup() {
[16:14] <maxmed> pinMode (6, OUTPUT);
[16:14] <fsphil> pastebin :)
[16:14] <maxmed> digitalWrite (6, HIGH);}
[16:14] <maxmed> I would but it's only 3 lines!
[16:15] <fsphil> ah I was expecting more
[16:15] <fsphil> if nothing else changes pin 6, should do
[16:15] <bertrik> I think you need a loop() too, like void loop() {}
[16:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK1OMX - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=OK1OMX
[16:21] <maxmed> great- looks like arduino was damaged during the "9v incident" and so now wont let me upload a new sketch :(
[16:22] <ulfr> bummer
[16:27] <ulfr> DIP or smt?
[16:29] <maxmed> I dont know what those mean?
[16:30] <ulfr> well, can you remove the avr?
[16:30] <ulfr> ie. is it sitting in a socket.
[16:31] <ulfr> DIP means that it's "through hole" or sits in a socket, smt == surface mount technology, which means it's soldered straight on to the board.
[16:31] <ulfr> the dip version is nicer for experiment use (because you can replace fried avrs)
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[16:31] <ulfr> But the smt version is lighter and more suitable for stuff.
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[16:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK1ALX_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=OK1ALX_chase
[16:32] <maxmed> Ah I see- its smt
[16:33] <ulfr> :(
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[16:45] <maxmed> pin 6 acually now seems tp be pulled to ground so even when I put a wire across the VCC and En pins then the NTX2B doesnt transmit anything as both pins go down to 0v so I guess doing that is shorting the power supply?
[16:46] <Laurenceb> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/10/23/129
[16:48] <maxmed> Laurenceb- whats that?
[16:48] <Laurenceb> ftdi bricking for linux
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> 'Funny patch, you should have saved it for April 1, otherwise people
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> might have actually taken this seriously :)
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> Patches as performance art, now I've seen everything...
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> - therresponse
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[17:22] <Laurenceb> any networking gurus here?
[17:22] <ulfr> depends
[17:22] <Laurenceb> im trying to share internet connection with my BBB over usb
[17:22] <Laurenceb> but of course its failing utterly
[17:23] <Laurenceb> i can ping ping 192.168.7.1 (my PC) from the BBB
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[17:23] <Laurenceb> but nothing else
[17:23] <Laurenceb> i have NAT setup and working on my PC
[17:23] <Laurenceb> up until a few hours ago it all worked nicely
[17:23] <Laurenceb> then i bricked my BBB
[17:23] <Laurenceb> now its repaired and no luck
[17:24] <ulfr> hm
[17:24] <Laurenceb> im not sure if its PC or BBB at fault
[17:24] <Laurenceb> ping to any remote address fails
[17:24] <ulfr> no route to host?
[17:24] <ulfr> or just timeout?
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[17:25] <Laurenceb> timeout
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[17:25] <ulfr> I'm not an expert, but ifconfig shows everything normal?
[17:26] <ulfr> perhaps wireshark could be useful to see where the packets stop?
[17:26] <Laurenceb> hmmm
[17:27] <ulfr> Not sure how tethering over usb works but I guess it would need some routing from the pc?
[17:27] <Laurenceb> sure
[17:27] <Laurenceb> i had to setup NAT
[17:27] <Laurenceb> no idea why it should suddenly fail like this
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:38] <fsphil> proper default route set on the bbb?
[17:40] <Laurenceb> i havewnt a clue
[17:40] <Laurenceb> i know nothing :P
[17:40] <Laurenceb> how can i check that
[17:40] <fsphil> route -n
[17:40] <fsphil> the default route will be destination 0.0.0.0
[17:41] <fsphil> there will be one for the local ip subnet
[17:41] <fsphil> so you should have two
[17:41] <Laurenceb> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
[17:41] <Laurenceb> 0.0.0.0 192.168.7.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0
[17:41] <Laurenceb> 192.168.7.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.252 U 0 0 0 usb0
[17:41] <fsphil> that looks fine
[17:41] <Laurenceb> my pc is ay 7.1
[17:41] <Laurenceb> GRRRRRRRRRRRrr
[17:41] <mfa298> from the bbb can you ping the other address on your pc ?
[17:42] <mfa298> my first guess would be NAT or routing is broken on the PC
[17:42] <Laurenceb> any idea what might have broken?
[17:42] <Laurenceb> it worked ~4hours ago
[17:42] <mfa298> but the networking guru in my says, conf t, interface gigabit/0; ip nat inside ...
[17:42] <Laurenceb> i havewnt changed anything on the pc since then
[17:43] <Laurenceb> but ive reinstalled debian on the BBB
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[17:45] <mfa298> check the output of iptables -t nat -nvL; iptables -nvL; cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[17:45] <mfa298> and probably ifconfig would be my starting point.
[17:45] <mfa298> then ping <ipv4 address> from the bbb
[17:45] <mfa298> e.g. ping 146.97.34.7
[17:47] <Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9672965
[17:48] <Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9672969
[17:49] <Laurenceb> BBB is eth1
[17:50] <Laurenceb> does that look ok?
[17:51] <Laurenceb> 245K 12M ACCEPT all -- eth1 * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0
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[17:51] <Laurenceb> ^should out by eth0 @?
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[17:56] <mfa298> I think that looks right
[17:56] <mfa298> if the in/out device isn't set it'll just default to any
[17:56] <mfa298> with the Forward policy set to Accept you don't actually need any rules in there anyway
[17:57] <mfa298> and I think the MASQUERADE rule looks right
[17:57] <Laurenceb> ok
[17:57] <Laurenceb> any idea what could be wrong?
[17:57] <Laurenceb> looks more like BBB end?
[17:57] <mfa298> (it's not something I normally use)
[17:57] <mfa298> you said you could ping 7.1 from the BBB
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[17:58] <fsphil> yoyo
[17:58] <Laurenceb> ok
[17:59] <Laurenceb> wireshark says nothing coming back from 192.168.7.1
[17:59] <Laurenceb> only broadcast stuff
[18:00] <mfa298> wireshark on which device ?
[18:00] <Laurenceb> how does this inform things?
[18:00] <Laurenceb> on eth1
[18:00] <mfa298> on the pc
[18:00] <Laurenceb> the USB connection
[18:00] <Laurenceb> yeah
[18:00] <mfa298> and you're pinging the pc address from the bbb at the same time ?
[18:00] <Laurenceb> i see outgoing traffic
[18:01] <Laurenceb> no - im pinging random addresses
[18:01] <Laurenceb> or trying to load google
[18:02] <mfa298> I'd start off on the bbb pinging the pc address and looking at wireshark on the pc and see if you see the ping request and response on that.
[18:02] <Laurenceb> yeah thats working nicely, two way traffic
[18:02] <mfa298> then maybe try the same but pinging the pc's gateway address from the bbb and look at the traffic on eth0 and eth1 on the pc for that (check the nat's actually working)
[18:03] <Laurenceb> why would there be eth0 traffic if i ping the gateway?
[18:06] <mfa298> if you ping the pc's gateway (as in what the pc thinks is the default gateway)
[18:06] <Laurenceb> how do i find out what that is?
[18:06] <mfa298> netstat -nr from the pc
[18:07] <mfa298> probably something like 128.243.75.1 or 128.243.75.254
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[18:07] <Laurenceb> oh it works
[18:07] <Laurenceb> lol
[18:07] <Laurenceb> i bet i need to configure some proxy stuff
[18:08] <mfa298> if you look at wireshark for eth1 on the pc you should see the 192.168.7.2 address of the bbb, when you look at the same packets on eth0 you should see the the pc address (no 192.168.7 numbers)
[18:08] <mfa298> that would prove the nat is working
[18:09] <mfa298> next one to try would be: ping 146.97.34.7
[18:09] <Laurenceb> yeah
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[18:09] <Laurenceb> that doesnt work
[18:09] <mfa298> which is a ja/net router (ping0.ja.net) which would show the routing side is working (which could then suggest a dns issue)
[18:09] <Laurenceb> i need to setup proxy, that must be it
[18:09] <mfa298> maybe also try the same ping from your pc
[18:09] <Laurenceb> only the PC gateway worked
[18:10] <Laurenceb> yeah cant ping from my pc either
[18:10] <mfa298> if you can't ping from your pc that would suggest that ping is blocked from elsewhere.
[18:10] <Laurenceb> yes
[18:11] <Laurenceb> i need to setup proxy
[18:11] <mfa298> maybe try traceroute instead of ping
[18:12] <mfa298> that's a bad setup if ping is blocked - it's generally the first debug tool people use
[18:12] <Laurenceb> grrr i should have made notes
[18:12] <mfa298> do you need to setup a http proxy on your PC to access the internet ?
[18:12] <Laurenceb> i remeber i fixed this problem before
[18:12] <Laurenceb> yes
[18:12] <ulfr> traceroute shouldn't work, it's ICMP iirc.
[18:13] <Laurenceb> i dont have a direct connection
[18:13] <mfa298> traceroute on linux is udp not icmp
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[18:13] <mfa298> but would show how far you can get out (probably a campus firewall or something like that)
[18:13] <Laurenceb> yeah
[18:13] <mfa298> so might have given a more useful test than ping in this case.
[18:14] <Laurenceb> its not showing anything tho
[18:14] <mfa298> first rule on debugging is make sure the ping/traceroute works from other places first (ideally on a similar setup to the problem machine)
[18:15] <mfa298> on linux you might want the -n option on traceroute so it doesn't use dns
[18:15] <Laurenceb> do i need
[18:15] <Laurenceb> /usr/lib/connman/test# ./set-ipv4-method
[18:15] Action: mfa298 goes back to beating the ubuntu installer with a large stick
[18:16] <Laurenceb> ah
[18:16] <Laurenceb> yeah traceroute is getting firewalled
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[18:16] <Laurenceb> but its not a problem with my PC
[18:17] <Laurenceb> i think i need this
[18:17] <Laurenceb> http://derekmolloy.ie/set-ip-address-to-be-static-on-the-beaglebone-black/
[18:17] <Laurenceb> but im not sure how to apply it to my situation
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[18:19] <Laurenceb> also that doesnt exist on my system
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[18:22] <mfa298> it sounds like your basic networking is working
[18:23] <mfa298> you'll just need to get proxy stuff setup if you need a http proxy to browse the web - just like setting up any other system
[18:24] <mfa298> you'll probably need to whoever manages the network if you need to configure a static address on the bbb eth0 (using dhcp might be a better / easier option
[18:25] <Laurenceb> hmm
[18:27] <Laurenceb> is this the same as the gateway on my PC?
[18:28] <zyp> what is?
[18:28] <Laurenceb> the proxy
[18:28] <Laurenceb> hmf
[18:28] <zyp> no
[18:28] <Laurenceb> ok
[18:28] <zyp> gateway usually refers to the default route
[18:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FOKUS-1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=FOKUS-1
[18:28] <zyp> also, what's the problem?
[18:29] <Laurenceb> i dont know
[18:29] <Laurenceb> but i have no internet access from my BBB
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[18:29] <mfa298> have you plugged the eth0 interface into the local network ?
[18:29] <Laurenceb> yes lol
[18:30] <mfa298> I'd probably just set it to use dhcp then (assuming the network supports dhcp)
[18:30] <zyp> Laurenceb, internet in what sense? there's pretty much only three things to configure to get internet access on anything
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[18:30] <mfa298> otherwise you'll need to talk to the local network technician
[18:30] <zyp> local ip, default route and dns server
[18:31] <Laurenceb> hmm
[18:31] <zyp> dhcp will normally configure all three for you
[18:31] <Laurenceb> ok so i set http_proxy
[18:31] <mfa298> it sounds a bit like you probably need to talk to them anyway as it sounds like there are special local things you need anyway (proxies etc)
[18:31] <Laurenceb> what else do i need to set?
[18:31] <Laurenceb> yes
[18:31] <zyp> do you need a proxy?
[18:31] <Laurenceb> i think so
[18:31] <Laurenceb> well i dont know
[18:31] <zyp> so you're on some bullshit work network?
[18:31] <Laurenceb> yes
[18:31] <mfa298> I cant help with proxies. Almost everywhere did away with them >10 years ago as they're more hassle than their worth
[18:32] <zyp> Laurenceb, let me start by asking what you need internet access for then
[18:32] <Laurenceb> i need to apt-get update etc
[18:32] <Laurenceb> and upgrade to a dev kernel build that might have got usb host to work on BBB
[18:33] <zyp> okay, do you know the address of your proxy?
[18:33] <Laurenceb> thats my plan...
[18:33] <Laurenceb> yes
[18:33] <zyp> does the proxy respond to ping?
[18:33] <mfa298> if "work" requires you to go via a proxy then "work" probably doesn't like you plugging in random devices anyway so it could be the device won't work until someones given it permission
[18:33] <zyp> i.e. is the proxy accessible?
[18:33] <zyp> mfa298, that's also true
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[18:33] <zyp> dealing with proxies is usually bullshit in any case
[18:34] <Laurenceb> yes
[18:34] <zyp> okay
[18:34] <Laurenceb> i can ping it from the BBB
[18:34] <zyp> the problem with proxies is that it's not a network-level thing, it's an application level thing
[18:34] <zyp> so you can't set up a systemwide think and expect all applications to have internet access
[18:35] <Laurenceb> right
[18:35] <zyp> see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto/#Setting_up_apt-get_to_use_a_http-proxy
[18:36] <zyp> and that is the simple case where your proxy doesn't require authentication
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[18:36] <Sputnik_> Hello!
[18:37] <Laurenceb> aha that works
[18:38] <Sputnik_> I am a student from Sweden making a HAB project and I am searching for Anthony.
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[18:39] <chrisstubbs> Sputnik_, he hangs out as Upu in this neck of the woods
[18:39] <mfa298> Sputnik_: that would be Upu or UpuWork on here but he could be afk at present
[18:39] <mfa298> you may find someone else can help depending on the question
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[18:39] <Sputnik_> How can I reach him in an other way?
[18:40] <mfa298> best bet is to hang around here for a while and he should appear at some point
[18:40] <mfa298> but if it's a question you've got you can always try asking and someone else may be able to help
[18:41] <chrisstubbs> Are you after something from his store, or a general question?
[18:42] <Laurenceb> zyp: git pull isnt working tho
[18:42] <Sputnik_> Yes, I need to get something delivered to Sweden from his store (I think)
[18:42] <chrisstubbs> he has a contact page if you check out the links at the bottom of the page
[18:43] <Sputnik_> ok. Thanks!
[18:43] <mfa298> Laurenceb: proxies will need to be setup for each application that needs external access.
[18:43] <zyp> Laurenceb, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/783811/getting-git-to-work-with-a-proxy-server
[18:44] <Laurenceb> ah
[18:46] <Rebounder> Sputnik_: god kväll
[18:46] <Sputnik_> Sorry, I am a new guy on this page and I cannot find the contact to Anthony.
[18:46] <Sputnik_> God kväll!
[18:46] <chrisstubbs> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=information/contact
[18:47] <Rebounder> Sputnik_: Jag är David
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[18:47] <Sputnik_> Trevligt att träffas här!
[18:49] <Sputnik_> Am I aloud to use other language than English on this page?
[18:49] <Rebounder> sure, but keep it somewhat short
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[18:50] <gurgalof> någon mening är väl okej
[18:50] <mfa298> you'll also find most of us are english speakers so if you're asking for help english may be better
[18:50] <Laurenceb> hmm
[18:50] <Laurenceb> surely there is a global proxy setting on debian?>
[18:51] <Laurenceb> everything is broken
[18:51] <gurgalof> Sputnik_: I was designing a picotracker, but thats on ice for now
[18:52] <mfa298> Laurenceb: proxies are a application level thing. you may be able to set an environment variable but that only works if the applications see it and can use it - not everything will
[18:52] <Laurenceb> hmm
[18:52] <Laurenceb> ntp is failing atm
[18:53] <chrisstubbs> can you NAT the traffic from the BBB through the proxy to a remote server thats not behind a proxy?
[18:53] <mfa298> you may have a local ntp server you can use
[18:53] <Laurenceb> hmm
[18:54] <mfa298> chrisstubbs: I think this is a work network where Laurenceb has no access to the proxy/firewall so that probably wont help
[18:54] <Laurenceb> the BBB kernel updater
[18:54] <Laurenceb> syncing local clock to pool.ntp.org
[18:54] <gurgalof> Sputnik_: since even a pico balloon need a permit
[18:54] <Laurenceb> ^fails here
[18:54] <Laurenceb> before i bricked the BBB it worked ok
[18:54] <Laurenceb> so it must be possible in principle to fix this
[18:54] <Laurenceb> i just dont know how
[18:54] <chrisstubbs> can you connect to the internet by some other means? 3g?
[18:55] <gurgalof> Sputnik_: and I'm not willing to pay 4200SEK for launching a pico
[18:55] <Laurenceb> no
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[18:55] <gurgalof> Sputnik_: where in sweden are you from?
[18:55] <Laurenceb> ok
[18:55] <Laurenceb> ping pool.ntp.org <-fails
[18:55] <Laurenceb> something is clearly wrong still
[18:56] <Laurenceb> but what?
[18:58] <mfa298> Laurenceb: does the ping work from the PC (assuming the BBB still connects via the PC)
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[18:59] <Laurenceb> oh
[18:59] <Laurenceb> no thats broken too
[18:59] <Laurenceb> argggg
[19:00] <mfa298> could it be there's different network policies for different times of day (so some stuff only works during the working day when it can be activly monitored)
[19:00] <Laurenceb> im stuck
[19:00] <Laurenceb> dunno what to do now :(
[19:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PYSY - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=PYSY
[19:01] <Laurenceb> syncing local clock to pool.ntp.org <- update script is stuck at this
[19:02] <Laurenceb> Error resolving pool.ntp.org: Name or service not known (-2)
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[19:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ELYSIUM - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=ELYSIUM
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[19:14] <Sputnik_> I am from Gästrikland from Sandviken.
[19:15] <gurgalof> I'm from Göteborg
[19:16] <Sputnik_> I know it is expensive to get a permission for a launch but I will do it anyway. It is a school project.
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[19:17] <gurgalof> a big ballon then?
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[19:18] <SpeedEvil> 99 luft balons.
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[19:20] <gurgalof> Sputnik_: I have to sleep now, but you can reach me here if you want discuss balloons, or my nick @gmail.com
[19:21] <Sputnik_> ok! Than You! Good night.
[19:25] <DG0MG> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRFyKRlPfEg
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[19:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Seed1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Seed1
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[20:17] <SpeedEvil> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/25/science/alan-eustace-jumps-from-stratosphere-breaking-felix-baumgartners-world-record.html
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[20:37] <Lunar_LanderA> SpeedEvil, interesting
[20:37] <Lunar_LanderA> didn't hear of that
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> That's an impressive altitude even for a HAB
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> (until recently)
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> 41km
[20:39] <Lunar_LanderA> yea
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[21:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=CALLSIGN123_chase
[21:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS3 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=UBSEDS3
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[22:56] <ljenkins> kf7fer: that project I talked about is finished (see http://datko.net/2014/10/24/hacking_saintcon_badge/ for more info), so I'm going to start playing with those sa818 modules for aprs
[22:56] <ljenkins> how did/does your rev g board work out?
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[22:59] <mattbrejza> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29766189
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[22:59] <mattbrejza> i was unaware this was going to take place
[22:59] <fsphil> yea just found out about this too
[22:59] <fsphil> very cool
[22:59] <fsphil> and without the ego
[23:00] <stilldavid> nutso, 35k cu. ft of helium
[23:00] <stilldavid> that closing paragraph gives me chills
[23:01] <Laurenceb__> fsphil: can ssdv work inline on a jpeg?
[23:01] <Laurenceb__> without using much ram
[23:01] <fsphil> yep, was designed to run on an avr
[23:01] <Laurenceb__> ah cool
[23:01] <fsphil> uses about 200 bytes iirc
[23:01] <fsphil> and whatever buffers you provide
[23:01] <Laurenceb__> im going to dump my beaglebone then
[23:01] <Laurenceb__> too much hassle
[23:02] <Bob_Saget> you having ip issues too?
[23:02] <Bob_Saget> mine was not reliable, would go down and need to be rebooted weekly, real annoying when it's your email server
[23:02] <Bob_Saget> the Odroid U3.....solid
[23:02] <ljenkins> "Instead, Mr. Eustace planned his jump in secrecy, working for almost three years with a small group of technologists skilled in spacesuit design, life-support systems, and parachute and balloon technology." - http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/25/science/alan-eustace-jumps-from-stratosphere-breaking-felix-baumgartners-world-record.html?_r=0
[23:02] <Laurenceb__> the BBB?
[23:03] <Laurenceb__> oh wow
[23:03] <Laurenceb__> hah
[23:03] <Laurenceb__> he must have had some cash to burn
[23:03] <mattbrejza> we're talking about when the camera already gives jpg rather than encoding?
[23:03] <Laurenceb__> yes
[23:03] <mattbrejza> oh ok
[23:03] <Laurenceb__> im going to hack my gopro then grab the jpep with an stm32
[23:03] <mattbrejza> still need to try realtime jpg on a stm32 at some point
[23:03] <fsphil> yea raw data would require more memory
[23:04] <Laurenceb__> oh hes from google
[23:04] <Laurenceb__> all explained
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[23:05] <fsphil> daveake now has to repeat his babbage flight, from slightly higher up
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb__: they've decided not to go ahead with the normal payloads for loon.
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb__: there is gonna be a guy with a yagi
[23:10] <Laurenceb__> lol
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[23:12] <Laurenceb__> http://thechive.com/2014/10/01/bought-a-gopro-my-life-still-sucks-video/
[23:12] <Laurenceb__> story of my life
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[23:12] <Laurenceb__> only other way around
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[23:12] <Laurenceb__> my life now sucks
[23:13] <boelle_dk> Laurenceb: welcome in the club
[23:13] <Laurenceb__> lol
[23:13] <boelle_dk> Laurenceb: one positive thought thou... membership is free
[23:14] <mattbrejza> dissapointed at lack of golf ball through wind
[23:14] <mattbrejza> window
[23:14] <boelle_dk> btw... any scheduled launches that are planned to go outside the UK ?
[23:15] <mattbrejza> "scheduled" "planned".... lol
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[23:16] <mattbrejza> b-64?
[23:17] <boelle_dk> nope... that one is in air allready
[23:17] <boelle_dk> in fact the only one
[23:17] <boelle_dk> :-D
[23:17] <boelle_dk> all the other "active" baloons are not really active i think
[23:18] <mfa298> there's something being launched early tomorrow morning which could be a floater.
[23:18] <boelle_dk> oki
[23:19] <mfa298> I've no idea what the winds are doing though
[23:19] <boelle_dk> reason i ask is that the automatic thing i tried to do last year is coming along
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[23:20] <boelle_dk> tilt og antenna is sorted
[23:20] <boelle_dk> working on pan part
[23:20] <Lunar_LanderA> good night
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[23:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Martan_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Martan_chase
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