highaltitude.log.20141021

[00:03] <Laurenceb_> lol @ hackaday
[00:03] <Laurenceb_> they dont like B-64 at all
[00:03] <Laurenceb_> probably just jealousy
[00:03] <ulfr> huh?
[00:03] <DL7AD> he?
[00:06] <arko> Laurenceb_: people want to see drama where there is none i think
[00:06] Action: Laurenceb_ zzz
[00:07] <ulfr> oh, you mean the comments about airplanes flying into a flock of weather balloons?
[00:07] <ulfr> They should see the amount of balloons the met offices are launching...
[00:09] <ulfr> People can be so silly.
[00:10] <myself> Oh yeah, the hackaday thread was a trainwreck.
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[00:12] <DL7AD> yeah dont care because airplane normally dont fly at these altitudes
[00:14] <ulfr> well, a SR-71 might hit it (were they still flying)
[00:14] <arko> doesnt a hab have the highest priority in any airspace as it's not controlable?
[00:15] <LeoBodnar> i remember when this has been released http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djyViSY332M
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[06:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Seed1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Seed1
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[06:30] <ok1cdj> hi
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[06:32] <ok1cdj> please ignore seed1.. test of tracker, somebody testing receiver setup..
[06:33] <Upu-> nps
[06:33] Nick change: Upu- -> Upu
[06:33] <ok1cdj> Seed1 and Seed2 is part of Stratocaching project: http://stratocaching.idnes.cz/
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[07:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPIC5 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC5
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[07:40] <DL7AD_mobile> Morning
[07:40] <fsphil> morn
[07:41] <DL7AD_mobile> Does anyone know if a single use hekium can is sufficient for a 100ball and 30g payload?
[07:44] <Upu> 100g ?
[07:44] <DL7AD_mobile> Yeah
[07:45] <Upu> yes just about
[07:45] <Upu> needs to be full though
[07:45] <Upu> well yes totally
[07:45] <Upu> sorry
[07:45] <Upu> I filled 2 from one
[07:45] <DL7AD_mobile> Yes that's the case
[07:46] <DL7AD_mobile> Ah okay
[07:46] <DL7AD_mobile> Should be good
[07:47] <DL7AD_mobile> Wanna launch some ukhasnet modules
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[07:59] <edusupport> Does anybody want 4 Hwoyee 100g balloons for the price of postage ?
[07:59] <edusupport> Ill never use them
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[08:06] <craag> edusupport: Yep, if you're sure.
[08:07] <edusupport> Cool pm me details ill get them in the post today/tomorrow
[08:07] <fsphil> would've been fun to launch a 100g last night. could've hit a speed record :)
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[08:10] <cm13g09> fsphil: yeah.... I'll say
[08:11] <edusupport> Balloons gone to a good home :)
[08:13] <ok1cdj> what is max. payload weight for 36 inch foil ball for floationg please ??
[08:14] <craag> ok1cdj: Probably about 25g, but every gram lighter increases your chances!
[08:18] <ok1cdj> thanks for info..
[08:19] <ok1cdj> and any good idea how to insulate paylod... picture is welcome..
[08:19] <ok1cdj> edusupport: yes.. but i'm from Czech Republic..
[08:19] <craag> For floaters insulation isn't the way to go. It'll eventually cool, and you have almost no power consumption to keep it warm.
[08:21] <craag> So minimal insulation - just padding for accidental landing, and design for cold.
[08:22] <ok1cdj> craag: thanks..
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[08:42] <RocketBoy> mornin
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[08:44] <Upu> morning
[08:45] <RocketBoy> boys will be boys https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=452393244798972&set=vb.100000849022135&type=2&theater
[08:45] <DL7AD_mobile2> Morning
[08:46] <Upu> lol
[08:48] <x-f> lol, like modern Emil of Lönneberga :)
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[08:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK1MJO_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=OK1MJO_chase
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[11:08] <jededu_work> ping craag
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[11:29] <Laurenceb> so hackaday inspired me to look at risks from B-64
[11:30] <Laurenceb> summary: i could be replaced with a sphere of explosives, and all flights could be fully laden A-380
[11:30] <nats`> you talk about the bulllshity comment ?
[11:30] <Laurenceb> and it would still be safe according to FAA rules
[11:30] <Laurenceb> less than 10^-6 casualties per flight
[11:31] <nats`> seeing the last stuff happened in this year we are statistically safe to flight for 10 years now :D
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[11:37] <goopypanther> I would love to put an ads-b receiver on a nano balloon payload and see if any flights ever got close
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[11:39] <staylo> goopypanther: No need for that. Just query flightradar24 logs and match against balloon position.
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[11:57] <craag> jed_edu: pong
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[11:59] <Laurenceb> according the the FAA, anything with less than 10^-6 casualties per flight is safe :D
[11:59] <Laurenceb> more risky stuff might be safe and/or allowable too, but thats the threshold for further assessment
[12:00] <ulfr> Nobody has ever died on my balloon launches.
[12:00] <jed_edu> craag posted :) £3.90
[12:01] <ulfr> I nearly broke a leg once due to a helium tank's attack, but thanks to high dexterity score I evaded the attack.
[12:01] <craag> jed_edu: :D
[12:01] <fsphil> I'm sure I was seconds away from frostbite on one launch...
[12:01] <craag> pm me paypal details?
[12:03] Nick change: UpuWork- -> UpuWork
[12:04] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/j5uYkte.jpg
[12:07] <ulfr> fsphil: during balloon filling?
[12:08] <ulfr> Laurenceb: lol
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[12:16] <fsphil> ulfr: yea. it was snowing
[12:19] <ulfr> heh, yeah.
[12:27] <day> Laurenceb: are planes considered save by the FAA? 10^-6 would mean only one death on 1million flights. Sounds a lot :/
[12:28] <day> 1 death caused by an travel related accident i might add*
[12:28] <Laurenceb> yeah this is for "research" stuff
[12:28] <Laurenceb> so non routine flights
[12:28] <day> safety should be much higher there, right? right?
[12:28] <Laurenceb> routine commercial aviation is somewhat tighter than that
[12:28] <Laurenceb> not that much
[12:29] <day> actually im amazed it is that save :/
[12:29] <day> i would be fine with 1/1000
[12:29] <Laurenceb> in practice commercial aviation is much worse than 1 casualty per million flights
[12:29] <Laurenceb> yeah
[12:30] <Laurenceb> yeah space shuttle had a theoretical safety level of about 1/1000
[12:30] <Laurenceb> maybe... i cant remember lol
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[12:50] <day> i wonder how they even calculate those risks. 'i think those screws have a 1/2 failurerate' then make them bigger...
[12:51] <Laurenceb> they pay people a lot of money to sit around in an office
[12:51] <Laurenceb> also Fukushima
[12:51] <Laurenceb> "failure of individual generators when they are lined up in a row is clearly uncorrelated"
[12:53] <Laurenceb> giving them a one in a billion years probability of total power failure...
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> Then there is setting silly standards.
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> The US current 'man rating' safety standards make it - for people flying into space a dozen times a year - safer than being a librarian.
[12:55] <day> if those numbers are a result of history statistics, ok
[12:55] <day> interpolated safety numbers from technical evaluation on the other hand *caugh*
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> Calculating risk sensibly is hard
[12:56] <day> and the second something went wrong the blame game starts
[12:56] <day> we used a safety factor of 10 on this screw. It didnt work because y gave us the wrong numbers...
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[12:58] <Laurenceb> arguably you could say any calculated non zero risk is a risk thats too high
[12:59] <Laurenceb> as you should take all steps to remove any risks as they are identified
[12:59] <Laurenceb> but something might still be extremely risky if the phenomenon involved are poorly understood
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[13:08] <SpeedEvil> True, to an extent only.
[13:08] <SpeedEvil> Excessive money should not be spent on making astronauts safer than construction workers
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[13:15] <day> i think its harder to make construction work safe. Its much more complex i think
[13:16] <day> well complex as in unpredictable
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> But as humans who chose to go into a profession not driven by the need for money - if anything - astronauts should be less protected.
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[15:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RA4NHY - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=RA4NHY
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[15:28] <arjun_naha> Hi
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[15:30] <arjun_naha> What is the difference between a FCD+ and a DVB-T stick?
[15:32] <pc1pcl-away> FCD is purpose made, DVB-T just happens to work.
[15:32] <pc1pcl-away> FCD will have better resolution AD converters etc.
[15:35] <arjun_naha> How do I get this DVB-T stick (http://www.amazon.co.uk/KEEDOX%C2%AE-RTL-SDR-Receiver-Realtek-RTL2832U/dp/B009VBUYA0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1413905642&sr=8-1&keywords=keedox+dvb-t) to do sdr on a Mac(Book Pro)
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[15:43] <Geoff-G8-> arjun_naha, discusses building for a Mac here http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
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[15:45] <Geoff-G8-> and more here http://jasiek.me/2014/02/22/running-sdrsharp-on-mac-os-x.html
[15:49] <ra4nhy> hello. if I add to start of telemetry string more than two "$$" symbol, will system parse that string? For example - "$$$$$PAYLOADCALL,........."
[15:49] <Geoff-G8-> Yes thats not a problem
[15:50] <eroomde> it costs more though
[15:50] <Geoff-G8-> :-)
[15:51] <ra4nhy> :)
[15:56] <arjun_naha> Geoff-G8, thanks for that (I probaly should have googled it ;-)
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[18:06] <fsphil> evening
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[21:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK1COM_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=OK1COM_chase
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[21:15] <Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2014/10/21/the-hoverboard-you-can-build-at-home/
[21:16] <Laurenceb_> heh
[21:16] <Laurenceb_> this is stolen from someones PhD thesis from 2010
[21:18] <arko> lol
[21:20] <Laurenceb_> university of waterloo iirc
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[22:10] <Laurenceb_> http://www.jpier.org/PIERB/pierb43/14.12072414.pdf
[22:10] <Laurenceb_> doh
[22:11] <Laurenceb_> they used a solid conductive plate
[22:11] <Laurenceb_> a carefully designed laminated foil design is massively better
[22:12] <Laurenceb_> still, ~100N/Kw for the solid plate version
[22:13] Action: Laurenceb_ wishes he understood the concepts behind lamination design batter
[22:13] <Laurenceb_> *better
[22:14] <Laurenceb_> its the key to making passive maglev feasible
[22:16] <Laurenceb_> people have used some pretty complex laminate optimizers to get about three orders of magnitude improvement, but the designs arent published
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