highaltitude.log.20141018

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[00:18] <chucky> hi all, anyone tracking vk3yt baloon?
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[00:59] <day> aprs packages (ax.25 bell202). Are bits in the stream somehow separated from each other? Or do i have to synchronize the receiver to the stream (i know that it is a 1200baud signal, therefore its obvious that one bit requires 1s/1200) ?
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[01:47] <Haxxa> Hi I created a sensor using an atmega328p which works on 5v logic but will not on 3.3v and I don't understand why?
[01:47] <Haxxa> It's the microcontroller itself that will not work when using 3.3v
[01:48] <Haxxa> This is the circuit-
[01:48] <Haxxa> http://www.homautomation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Capture-d%E2%80%99%C3%A9cran-2014-06-09-%C3%A0-18.54.35.png
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[02:46] <Speedevil> Can the atmel actually do 16MHz on 3.3?
[02:47] <Speedevil> Also - bend the leads, and put Y1 right next to those pins
[03:07] <englishman> Speedevil: it can, yes
[03:07] <englishman> slightly out of spec but it works fine
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[03:08] <englishman> breadboard+jumpers+ceramic osc...
[03:08] <englishman> does the avr run at all?
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[05:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK2HAB-12 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK2HAB-12
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[07:00] <SA6BSS> Haxxa: have you set correct Brown-out Detect (BOD) fuse??
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[07:46] <Rebounder> vk3yt, max 68148m not bad :)
[07:47] <SA6BSS> verry unstable gps looking at the trace :)
[07:55] <Rebounder> morrn
[07:55] <Rebounder> knd of :)
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[09:05] <Neil_M0CJM> Morning all is anyone online :-)
[09:10] <fsphil> morn
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[09:12] <Neil_M0CJM> Morning
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[09:24] <vk5ei> anyone tracking vk5yt ?
[09:25] <vk5ei> oops vk3yt :-(
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[09:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> zyp, Yes the colour code starts from one = brown, the black circle is the FAI "cap" position for the first circumnavigation, the white line is the launch meridian.
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[10:24] <chrisstubbs> Morning all
[10:25] <craag> morning
[10:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHEAPO - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=CHEAPO
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[10:32] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Hi Guys
[10:32] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> fsphil are you about?
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[10:33] <craag> Morning Steve
[10:33] <craag> What's ETA for launch?
[10:33] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Hi Phil
[10:33] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> ETA Around 1 hour at the moment
[10:34] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> craag: Have you got access to clear the trackers?
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[10:35] <craag> I have not
[10:35] <craag> Upu: ^
[10:35] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> JOTA1 launch @12:30pm +/- ish - 434.300MHz 50bd 7n2 450Hz Shift for those who wish to track
[10:36] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> OK Upu Are you about?
[10:36] <Upu> I can
[10:36] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Can you clear off CHEAPO Please Anthony?
[10:36] <Upu> done
[10:36] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Thank you
[10:37] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Right. prep continues, I'll let you know when we launch
[10:40] <fsphil> is this a foil launch or do I have a chance? :)
[10:44] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> No fsphil This is a Latex 100g Pawan
[10:45] <fsphil> woo!
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[10:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> i hrd cw on 434.300 strange
[10:47] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[10:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JOTA1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=JOTA1
[10:53] <chrisstubbs> whoop
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[11:01] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Filling...
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[11:17] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Expect launch within the next 5mins or so, just assembling Scouts
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[11:18] <DL7AD> hello
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[11:21] <chrisstubbs> up
[11:21] <chrisstubbs> how do we filter on mt?
[11:22] <craag> ?filter=
[11:22] <craag> I think
[11:23] <fsphil> yep
[11:24] <craag> green on websdr ;)
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Oh its up, bit early isn't it ?
[11:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03manu_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=manu_chase
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Aerials can't track its before time!
[11:27] <chrisstubbs> Yeah sorry about that, makes a change from normal ;)
[11:28] <craag> well that isn't a bug normally encountered ;P
[11:29] <Upu> not on the habrotate list
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[11:29] <craag> Hmm
[11:29] <Geoff-G8DHE_> It needs to allow 1 hour early at least please craag
[11:29] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE_: I don't see why it's not showing
[11:30] <craag> Looking into it now
[11:30] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Its before the flight time you only show itemsin the list after the launch time
[11:30] <craag> Hmm
[11:30] <Geoff-G8DHE_> someone did put in a change I think on GIT to allow 3600 early!
[11:31] <craag> so habitat filters by launch time rather than launch window
[11:31] <craag> ah yep ok
[11:31] <craag> lets make it 24 hours early
[11:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Don't know exact details I assumed you filtered rather tha habitat
[11:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Oh yes then I can set up even earlier!
[11:36] <Speedevil> May with luck see B64 today.
[11:36] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE_: Are you on windows?
[11:36] <Speedevil> http://aprs.fi/#!addr=ponta%20delgada
[11:36] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yes
[11:37] <craag> Ok, do you have any python environment set up?
[11:37] <Geoff-G8DHE_> I do
[11:37] <craag> Ah great
[11:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03bus1_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=bus1_chase
[11:38] <craag> Can you try running habrotate-cli.py in python?
[11:38] <craag> CHeck it works
[11:38] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah... in about 15 minutes I'm on phone at present
[11:39] <craag> k
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[11:42] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Hi Guys
[11:44] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Sorry about the early launch. We were limited by the Scout schedule
[11:44] <adamgreig> you helped uncover some bugs in software that has never seen a before-scheduled launch before :)
[11:44] <craag> yep :)
[11:44] <jerry__> what is the exact frequency?
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[11:44] <fsphil> anyone ever got a reply from yaesu about fixing a radio? I've emailed them a few times and no reply
[11:45] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> We have 434.294 on the dial
[11:46] <G7PXK> ballons lauched yet ????
[11:46] <fsphil> yea there's one in the air
[11:47] <fsphil> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[11:47] <G7PXK> ok thanks
[11:47] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Cheers fsphil
[11:47] <fsphil> JOTA1
[11:47] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> JOTA1 434.294MHz 50bd 7n1 450Hz Shift
[11:48] <mfa298> fsphil: craag's housemate might have (He replaced the finals on an 817 although I'm not sure if that was talking to yaesu or not)
[11:48] <mfa298> and it seems he's stopped lurking in here now.
[11:49] <craag> Said housemate is currently in scotland trying to network mountains with 6lowpan however
[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE_> craag, ImportError: No module named dateutil
[11:49] <adamgreig> even mountains get ipv6 addresses now huh
[11:49] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE_: Ah ok, I'll have to sort out compiling it again then.
[11:50] <craag> Won't be in time for these flights
[11:50] <craag> But I have fixed it
[11:50] <craag> properly
[11:50] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah looks like its in the zipped libaray
[11:50] <fsphil> I'll try them again
[11:50] <craag> now displays all flights with a valid flight window (same query as dlfldigi list probably)
[11:50] <mfa298> Seems like mountains can get IPv6 before most UK ISPs have even thought about it
[11:51] <chrisstubbs> also, the bearing is missing in dl-fldigi. We have the rx location set up. Is that a habitat thing?
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[11:51] <PE2BZ> !payload jota1
[11:51] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03JOTA1 10(ca7c) 03$$JOTA1 - 03main - 03434.3 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/450Hz ASCII-7 none 2
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[11:51] <Neil_M0CJM> Hi. Not sure if your aware but auto-configure setting 7m2 not 7n1
[11:52] <fsphil> the stop bit setting has no effect on receiving telemetry
[11:54] <db_g6gzh> craag: do you need that change in other places too? I did https://github.com/dbrooke/habrotate/commit/f0c6783314d3fc36ff5f4c928a6a64155c76e753 but didn't do a pull request
[11:55] Action: bertrik warms up the revspace recever
[11:55] <Upu> sounds wobbly
[11:55] <Upu> how many GP's does the antenna have ?
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[11:58] <mikestir> !dial jota1
[11:58] <SpacenearUS> 03mikestir: Latest dials for 03JOTA1 10(ca7c): 03434.29596 MHz, 434.2953 MHz, 434.29561 MHz, 434.29569 MHz
[11:59] <mfa298> wow, a bunch of frequencies that agree with each other
[12:00] <craag> db_g6gzh: Ah cool. I have a better fix on the way ;)
[12:01] <db_g6gzh> OK, I just did that as a quick fix.
[12:03] <craag> db_g6gzh: Any other niggles in it that I should look at while I'm at it?
[12:03] <craag> I have to ask this question as I don't have a rotator of my own .....
[12:06] <db_g6gzh> neither do I, yet 8-)
[12:06] <chrisstubbs> Upu, 4 gps
[12:06] <chrisstubbs> gp's
[12:06] <craag> ah k
[12:10] <bertrik> I got a few green decodes a few minutes back, but the signal seems a bit weaker now
[12:11] <craag> yep a lot weaker here
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[12:35] <Herman-PB0AHX> jata1 is lot of drifting here
[12:36] <craag> err drifted way off there
[12:36] <craag> and a *lot* weaker
[12:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> yep here also
[12:36] <craag> jumped a couple of hundred hz I think
[12:37] <chrisstubbs> Im still getting it strong here on the SDR with habamp and yagi, but yeah very drifty
[12:40] <Upu> whats the radio ?
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[12:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> temp is dropping rapidly
[12:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> my radio upu ?
[12:41] <Upu> no on JOTA
[12:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> is a icom 910H
[12:42] <Herman-PB0AHX> a ok
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[12:42] <Upu> doubt you'd hang that under a balloon :)
[12:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/JOTA1_20141018/
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[12:52] <Herman-PB0AHX> he got stronger now here
[12:52] <chrisstubbs> Upu, whats your dial on JOTA? Going to try and remote tune again
[12:53] <craag> 434.293.2 here
[12:53] <Upu> 434.286
[12:53] <Upu> but not calibrated
[12:53] <Upu> just sounds like its spinning
[12:55] <db_g6gzh> reset ?
[12:55] <Upu> yep
[12:55] <Herman-PB0AHX> $$JOTA1,0,000000,0,0,0,0,00,1.26,-33*8E0D
[12:56] <craag> and suddenly quite strong too
[12:56] <chrisstubbs> woah
[12:56] <db_g6gzh> it doesn't seem to be having a pleasant ride
[12:57] <bertrik> grr, getting greens when the GPS is malfunctioning ...
[12:57] <db_g6gzh> I think it may have reset once earlier but I wasn't paying attention at the time
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[12:59] <craag> lots of spinning, fades to nothing every few seconds.
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[12:59] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Looks like the payload restarted. No lock at the moment
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[13:07] <pc1pcl> $$JOTA1,81,000000,0,0,0,0,00,1.19,-28*2D0E -- stronger now, but still no gps info.
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[13:10] <dj3ak> receive $$JOTA1, RTTY nw here in JO52GJ, but invalid data and freq. moves, dial is 434.294.7 USB
[13:11] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Yeah, sadly no fix at the moment. We're hoping....
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[13:11] <fsphil> eep, problems?
[13:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03B-64 after 032 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=B-64
[13:12] <chrisstubbs> I didnt notice the battery voltage drop before it restarted
[13:12] <Upu> b-64 is quite south
[13:13] <fsphil> oh hello B
[13:13] <Upu> what radio is on this chrisstubbs ?
[13:13] <aadamson> Upu, PM (no hurry)
[13:13] <fsphil> whoa, heading for africa
[13:13] <Upu> k give me a few aadamson
[13:13] <aadamson> np
[13:14] <fsphil> did any hysplit prediction have it that far south?
[13:14] <mattbrejza> fsphil: tge old hysplit is still the latest one
[13:14] <dj3ak> JOTA1 signal got weaker and weaker, and then the signal was lost here abt. 2minutes ago
[13:14] <mattbrejza> (and yes it did)
[13:15] <fsphil> looks like it's coming up from the south west
[13:15] <chrisstubbs> Upu, nasty RFM22B I'm afraid
[13:15] <fsphil> nice
[13:15] <Upu> well at least they are consistant :)
[13:15] <Upu> suspect somethings gone amiss no lock
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[13:16] <craag> Cheers chrisstubbs, this flight has exposed 2 bugs in habrotate so far.. :D
[13:16] <[1]chrisstubbs> haha np
[13:16] <Upu> yeah when getting 0,0,0 can it not bomb out pls :)
[13:17] <craag> Upu: That's fixed, trying to get it to use the last valid position instead...
[13:17] <[1]chrisstubbs> is the "bearing" field working in fldigi for anyone?
[13:17] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> I'm hoping my flight does as well as this one tomorrow (for distance)
[13:18] <Upu> oh ok do I need to grab latest ?
[13:18] <pc1pcl> bearing 185.5 5603 km
[13:18] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> pc1pcl: What is the signal strength like please?
[13:18] <craag> Upu: Wait a mo
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[13:19] <pc1pcl> S7 maybe. I've turned off AFC and just use rf gain mannually, so s meter value is more or less fake.
[13:20] <fsphil> habhub prediction has it coming up through the uk
[13:21] <Upu> yup excellent :)
[13:21] <PE2G> Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA: s/n 22 - 27 dB here, 90% greens since about 10 mins
[13:23] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Cheers PE2G
[13:23] <Upu> signal still fine here too
[13:23] <StevenHu> Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA de Steve M0SXH :) Flight was looking excellent... have you lost it completely... what's the problem?
[13:23] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> We have lost the signal here completely
[13:23] <Upu> no its still there
[13:24] <Herman-PB0AHX> s/n 30 good signaal here only drifting
[13:24] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Just hoping it gets a fix soon
[13:24] <pc1pcl> dial 434.293 here centerfreq about 1500
[13:24] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> OK Cool
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[13:25] <pc1pcl> drifting in a sinoid, maybe if plotted to see the extremes we can get rotation period and guess at the speed ;)
[13:26] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> :-)
[13:26] <bertrik> I really hope it reaches european "mainland"
[13:27] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Me too bertrik
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[13:28] <Upu> does anyone want to see if they can connect to my SDR 78.32.54.241 7999
[13:28] <bertrik> sure!
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[13:29] <chrisstubbs> upu is that HTTP or connecting through SDR#?
[13:29] <bertrik> http is not working for me it seems
[13:29] <Upu> no idea tbh :)
[13:29] <Ron_G8FJG> JOTA 1 20 db over noise here
[13:29] <Upu> just started SDR Server
[13:30] <pc1pcl> luteijn@samsung-PC:~$ telnet 78.32.54.241 7999
[13:30] <pc1pcl> Trying 78.32.54.241...
[13:30] <pc1pcl> Connected to 78.32.54.241.
[13:30] <pc1pcl> Escape character is '^]'.
[13:30] <bertrik> can't even ping you
[13:30] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Lock
[13:31] <Upu> you won't be able to ping
[13:31] <Upu> only one port open
[13:31] <Upu> 2014-10-18 14:30:25, Accept> Connection accepted, socket 2356, IPV4 address 84.105.188.19, location (Netherlands)
[13:31] <Upu> 2014-10-18 14:30:25, Accept> Pending connection from address 87.211.49.117 available
[13:31] <Upu> 2014-10-18 14:30:25, Accept> Pending connection NOT found
[13:31] <pc1pcl> so it is reachable. no idea about the protocol to speak to it though.
[13:31] <Upu> I think you use SDR Radio V2
[13:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> $$$$JOTA1,235,133121,52.899578,03.443840,11941,8,11,1.17,-34*5E1D
[13:31] <bertrik> 87.211.49.117 is me
[13:32] <Upu> yes use SDR Radio V2 console
[13:32] <Upu> username ukhas password ukhas
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[13:33] <Upu> uh hang on
[13:33] <bertrik> sorry, I don't have SDR radio v2 installed right now
[13:33] <Upu> nps
[13:33] <Upu> should be an FCD V1 on there which is currently recieving Jota
[13:33] <Upu> anyone got SDR Radio V2 ?
[13:34] <Upu> wait up
[13:34] Action: Upu pokes chrisstubbs
[13:34] <Upu> flight mode
[13:34] <pc1pcl> $$JOTA1,248,133412,52.929871,03.536620,11422,7,11,1.16,-32*8374
[13:34] <Upu> looks like it didn't set flight mode on reboot
[13:35] <bertrik> indeed, jota1 is coming in clear now
[13:35] <craag> Hi JOTA1, I'd like to test out habrotate, could u pls lose lock for a bit? k thnx bye
[13:37] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Sorry, we're gassing in the tent Anthony
[13:38] <chrisstubbs> it used to set flight mode after first fix, but I thought I changed that... will take a look tonight
[13:38] <Upu> just dropping below 10k now
[13:38] <Upu> slow decent
[13:38] <db_g6gzh> B-64 updates are showing it pretty much on the last hysplit so we should get a UK flypast tomorrow
[13:38] <chrisstubbs> Fingers crossed it makes land
[13:38] <fsphil> excellent
[13:39] <fsphil> we need a quad that can get to 12.5km altitude
[13:39] <db_g6gzh> fsphil: sshhhh, don't let it hear that you're at home
[13:39] <fsphil> lol
[13:39] <fsphil> right
[13:40] <fsphil> /SHAME I'M NOT IN THAT DAY/
[13:40] <db_g6gzh> 8-)
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Upu yes I have SDR Radio V2.3 running ?
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[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Oh I see he has the server up
[13:40] <englishman> 12.5k is tough
[13:41] <fsphil> what's the typical max altitude for a quad anyway?
[13:41] <fsphil> I suppose battery life is the main problem
[13:41] <fsphil> an RC plane might have better luck
[13:41] <Upu> well 2.2 Geoff-G8DHE-Lap
[13:41] <Upu> just interested to see if nayone can connect to it
[13:42] <englishman> The record is 4.65k iirc with hobbyshit
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE_> OK one second what ID is it running under ?
[13:42] <fsphil> not even half
[13:42] <Upu> 78.32.54.241 7999
[13:42] <fsphil> hmm
[13:42] <Upu> username ukhas password ukhas
[13:42] <db_g6gzh> I wonder if Leo is developing an airship variant to go and look at it
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE_> OK but what Name for the server ?
[13:43] <Upu> doesn't have a name
[13:43] <Upu> I think you just click connect to remote server in SDR-Console
[13:43] <pc1pcl> DNS name would be "ubn.upuaut.net"
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE_> NO you Browse a list unless ah thats what I need
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[13:43] <SA6BSS-Mike> I can connect to it and se the funcube but cant connct, it says I cant get exclusive axcess to selected radio
[13:44] <fsphil> it would be nice to get something up there
[13:44] <Upu> ah 1 sec SA6BSS-Mike
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[13:44] <Upu> try now
[13:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes... working
[13:44] <Upu> super JOTA is just fading
[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah the FCD is shown off-line
[13:44] <Upu> SA6BSS-Mike is using it
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[13:45] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yup getting the same Cannot gain exclusive access someone else must be connected
[13:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> tuned top 144.8 so se if I can se any aprs
[13:46] <Upu> well its got a 434 yagi on it
[13:46] <Upu> pointing at the netherlands :)
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[13:46] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Guess I could make mine available as well!
[13:47] <Upu> ok going to shut it down was just interested to see if it worked thanks Mike
[13:47] <Geoff-G8DHE_> OK
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[13:47] <SA6BSS-Mike> but yep, tuned to 434.295 but I I got was some distorted aufio wi
[13:47] <Rebounder> SA6BSS-Mike: seems like we might catch b-64
[13:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> looked like this
[13:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26543754/sdr.JPG
[13:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> Rebounder: ok, nice :)
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[13:49] <Upu> hmm
[13:50] <Upu> I'll sort that out :)
[13:50] <Upu> ta
[13:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> in the dropdown over soundcard I chose 817 as it was preselected
[13:50] <Upu> yeah thats wrong
[13:50] <Upu> its usb microphone
[13:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[13:50] <Upu> 817 is actually an 817 :)
[13:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> you say wen you ready to try again
[13:50] <Upu> which is for sale...
[13:50] <Upu> sec I'll fire it up
[13:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> got one already :)
[13:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[13:51] <Upu> try now
[13:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[13:51] <Upu> its USB Microphone
[13:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> working great, lets se if I can recode jota
[13:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> decode*
[13:52] <Upu> will be out of range now I suspect
[13:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, got parsials
[13:53] <Upu> antenna just rotated
[13:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> oki
[13:54] <SA6BSS-Mike> .ooks like this now https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26543754/sdr1.JPG
[13:54] <Upu> aye more like it
[13:54] <Upu> dunno if the gains up on the fcd
[13:54] <Upu> click radio config
[13:55] <Upu> I'm way out of the radio horizon now
[13:55] <Herman-PB0AHX> mm Jota1 out ?? i lost him
[13:55] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26543754/sdr2.JPG
[13:56] <Upu> yeah
[13:56] <Upu> already on
[13:56] <SA6BSS-Mike> jeap
[13:56] <SA6BSS-Mike> disconnecting
[13:56] <Upu> thx
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[13:58] <Herman-PB0AHX> a he was drifting out of my screen hihihi
[13:58] <pc1pcl> seems stable now at 434.297
[14:08] <Herman-PB0AHX> JOTA1 go swimming i think
[14:09] <pc1pcl> Yes, unless the wind changes radically the last 4 km down..
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[14:09] <Herman-PB0AHX> now 1 red 1 green 1 red 1 green
[14:10] <craag> Upu: Geoff-G8DHE_ Latest compiled habrotate: https://www.philcrump.co.uk/HABrotate
[14:10] <Upu> ta
[14:11] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ta
[14:11] <craag> If last position was invalid, it grabs last 200 strings and finds the most recent valid one :)
[14:12] <craag> (couldn't find a way to filter that on the habitat view)
[14:13] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Well it just fired up here OK ;-)
[14:13] <Upu> just because I'm useless can you rename config.json to config.json.dist please :)
[14:14] <Geoff-G8DHE_> I always keep a copy of my file!
[14:14] <craag> Upu: Will do (had accidentally deleted all the old zips so no idea how I'd done it before)
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[14:21] <craag> Updated and added to installation instructions.
[14:21] <craag> I'll ping an email to the list this evening unless anyone comes across issues by then.
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[14:24] <PE2G> Lost JOTA1 in bad QRM :(
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[14:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> craag, Thanks for that much appreciated !
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[14:40] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: i lost him also
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[14:41] <staylo> B-64's been off on its holidays I see
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[14:42] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: Peter would have had good chances at lower alts.
[14:43] <Speedevil> staylo: Oooh - I was saying a bit ago that I thought it might get picked up there.
[14:43] <PE2G> Peter in Den Helder
[14:43] <PE0SAT> Herman-PB0AHX: Hi
[14:44] <Speedevil> staylo: It's _moving_ too
[14:44] <Herman-PB0AHX> let we hope peter is the last one
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[14:47] <PE2G> !hysplit B-64
[14:47] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141018-10_16554_B64.gif
[14:47] <pd3jag> how about jota1 just back home freq??? mode??
[14:48] <Herman-PB0AHX> pd3jag: JOTA1 is down
[14:48] <PE2G> pd3jag: We lost it NW of Vlieland 2900 m.
[14:49] <pd3jag> oke tnx , bad i'm to late for recv the jota1 , hope beter rx for jota2 sunday here .
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[15:15] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Hi Guys, I just wanted to say thanks for all the trackers. All the Scouts enjoyed the flight and we're looking forward to my foil tomorrow. Hopefully closer to the announced launch time.
[15:16] <craag> No problem with the launch time, I've fixed habrotate now
[15:16] <craag> I know how scouts schedules are
[15:16] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> :-)
[15:17] <craag> batteries ran dead in my gilwell flight because just postponed my launch, after it was filled, by 2 hours :/
[15:17] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Not good...
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[15:18] <craag> Nice flight though! And gave me a prod to fix some bugs in habrotate :)
[15:18] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Steve_G0TDJ_, I'll stick a Object Movie up here shortly http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/JOTA1_20141018/ was waiting to see if a final position came in
[15:19] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> OK Cheers Geoff. I don't think they'll be another fix now ;-)
[15:19] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Nope its saying hello to the fishes I suspect
[15:20] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Glug glug...
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[15:30] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Not a great internet connection here.
[15:30] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> We're just waiting for a Fish'n'Chip supper then we'll be helping he Scouts construct their minDUINO kits.
[15:31] <mattbrejza> 15km? was that a 50g latex?
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[15:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> yea, quite early burst for a 100g
[15:33] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> 100g Pawan
[15:35] <mattbrejza> oh pawan
[15:35] <ulfr> Looks like B-64 is heading home?
[15:35] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> I hope we can track B64 as it goes by
[15:36] <ulfr> haha
[15:36] <mattbrejza> i think this is demonstrating pretty well why our weather is so changable
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[15:38] <steve-M0SXH> Hi Steve - How's the JOTA balloon going?
[15:38] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> Hi Steve, It's ditched in the channel near the Netherlands but it was a good flight
[15:39] <craag> Are you aiming for float tomorrow?
[15:40] <craag> guess the wind is probably a little rough for that
[15:40] <Steve_G0TDJ_JOTA> I am going to try for a float, yes
[15:40] <craag> cool :)
[15:40] <steve-M0SXH> yay - shame about the ditching... it was looking good for a continental landing
[15:41] <steve-M0SXH> I was following with interest when it started drifting
[15:41] <steve-M0SXH> did you work out what was happening?
[15:42] <steve-M0SXH> btw? what kind of baloon was it? I assume it wan
[15:42] <steve-M0SXH> *** I assume it wasn't a party foil balloon this time
[15:43] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Steve_G0TDJ_,, there you go http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/JOTA1_20141018/JOTA1_20141018.html
[15:43] <chrisstubbs> JOTA1 was a 100g pawan
[15:54] <Joem6jnj> excellent stuff guys. Steve G0TDJ where can I find details of your next launch?
[15:56] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Joem6jnj, Most launches are annouced on the mailing list here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
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[16:22] <Joem6jnj> Thanks, Chris.
[16:22] <Joem6jnj> thanks, Geoff.
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[16:37] <Upu> !hysplit list
[16:37] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: HYSPLIT available for: 03B-64
[16:37] <Upu> !hysplit rerun
[16:37] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: You need to be an admin to do that.
[16:38] <Upu> !hysplit rerun
[16:38] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Running HYSPLIT jobs for all defaults. Hold on to your hats
[16:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Oz1jee_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Oz1jee_chase
[16:40] <fsphil> !hysplit B-64
[16:40] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141018-16_18196_B64.gif
[16:41] <fsphil> maybe
[16:43] <Speedevil> So, over england. Or it might decide to visit 0:0
[16:43] <Speedevil> (well, not quite)
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[17:56] <nickle_> I was thinking about the predictor. Looking at B64, there are clearly some missing fixes.
[17:57] <nickle_> Shouldn't it be possible to predict where it has been based on two known points.
[17:58] <nickle_> That is we know initial and final conditions, not just the initial conditions as is in the prediction mode
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[18:16] <Speedevil> nickle_: yes, it is.
[18:17] <Speedevil> nickle_: However, another right solution would have been >5 day backlog reporting - and doing it in a somewhat more targeted manner
[18:17] <Speedevil> But at the time of launch, 5 days was an exceptional flight
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[18:31] <nickle_> Ta .Speedevil
[18:33] <day> how do i seperate two following '1' (1200hz) from each other in a aprs stream? Do i have to synchronize the receiver to the signal? Then by knowing that one baud is 1s/1200 long i can discern them?
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[18:36] <fsphil> the tone doesn't represent a 1 or 0
[18:36] <fsphil> in aprs
[18:37] <fsphil> it's the difference between the current tone and previous
[18:37] <fsphil> if the tone stays the same, it's a '1'
[18:37] <fsphil> otherwise '0'
[18:40] <fsphil> you also must insert a '0' after a sequence of 5 '1's
[18:40] <day> that means, miss the first, miss everything?
[18:40] <day> ah ok
[18:40] <fsphil> well you miss any bits in aprs and it won't decode
[18:40] <fsphil> there's no FEC
[18:41] <day> so for the first bit 1200hz = 1 2200Hz = 0?
[18:41] <fsphil> either
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[18:41] <day> the stream starts with the carrierfrequency
[18:41] <fsphil> doesn't matter what tone you start with
[18:42] <day> but how do you know if its a 1 or a 0?
[18:42] <fsphil> if the tone changes, it's a 0
[18:42] <fsphil> if it doesn't, it's a 1
[18:42] <fsphil> the first tone or symbol doesn't transmit any data
[18:43] <day> its just the indicator for what your 1 or zero is?
[18:43] <day> if i want to send 1 0 0 1. what would the modulation look like?
[18:44] <day> 0 1200 2200 2200 1200
[18:44] <day> thats what i thought, but obviously its wrong
[18:44] <fsphil> the first tone has to be 1200 or 220
[18:44] <fsphil> 2200*
[18:44] <day> what does it indicate?
[18:45] <fsphil> reference I suppose
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[18:46] <fsphil> since a bit is the difference between the current and previous tone, even the first bit needs something before it
[18:46] <day> so the whole signal would look like this: 0 0 0 0 2200 | 2200 1200 1200 2200?
[18:47] <day> 0 for carrierfrequency
[18:47] <day> 2200 | for reference
[18:47] <fsphil> if you where doing 1001, you'd need to send HHLLH or LLHHL (High/Low)
[18:47] <day> depending on what your reference baud would be, correct?
[18:48] <fsphil> the baud must always be 1200
[18:48] <day> 20:44 < fsphil> the first tone has to be 1200 or 220
[18:48] <day> ?
[18:50] <fsphil> I think you're mixing up baud rate and tone frequency
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[18:55] <day> hm let me think about it for a while
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[19:11] <day> fsphil: ah no. ax.25 says its a 1200baud signal which uses bell202 tons (1200Hz for 1 and 2200Hz for 0 and or space)
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[19:22] <day> fsphil: the baudrate is fixed to 1200 bauds/second. I meant the first baud to be 1200Hz or 2200Hz
[19:23] <pc1pcl> (baud already is 'symbol/second')
[19:24] <day> i associated baud with symbol :X
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[19:26] <pc1pcl> I think there's some things being confused. 'APRS' is a higher level protocol, you can use different lower level 'protocols' to transmit something in it.
[19:26] <day> but ax.25 is the standard to transmit those packages?
[19:27] <pc1pcl> You're talking about AX.25, fsphil was talking about FM AFSK
[19:28] <pc1pcl> On 2 meters / 70cm 144.800 / 430.5125 usually FM AFSK is used.
[19:28] <day> but ax.25 uses Bell 202 which is based on afsk
[19:29] <pc1pcl> there's several ways to use a frequency modulated sugnal to transfer a message.
[19:29] <LeoBodnar> you can't "send" message starting with 1
[19:30] <LeoBodnar> there is a sync flag first and then you can send your 1
[19:30] <pc1pcl> e.g. you can put the 'information' on the flanks (change (or derivative) of phase/frequency/amplitude) or on the actual phase/frequency/amplitude.
[19:30] <LeoBodnar> flag happens to start with 0
[19:31] <day> isnt that what i wrote here: 0 0 0 0 2200 | 2200 1200 1200 2200
[19:31] <LeoBodnar> no
[19:31] <LeoBodnar> what does 0 mean?
[19:31] <day> 0 means carrierfrequency
[19:31] <day> nothing modulated onto it
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[19:32] <pc1pcl> 'silence'?
[19:32] <day> 144.800Mhz = 0
[19:32] <LeoBodnar> then your 0 0 0 0 2200 2200 1200 1200 2200 will decode into 010
[19:33] <day> why wouldnt the last 4 not decode into 1001?
[19:33] <LeoBodnar> after NRZI
[19:34] <LeoBodnar> because 0 -> 2200 is not a valid symbol
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[19:34] <LeoBodnar> and 2200 2200 has no sync
[19:34] <LeoBodnar> so the first valid symbol is 2200 -> 1200 which is zero
[19:35] <LeoBodnar> thus 010
[19:35] <day> i thought the first 2200 | would be interpreted as the sync flag
[19:35] <LeoBodnar> sync blag is 0x7E
[19:35] <LeoBodnar> flag
[19:35] <pc1pcl> no change in modulation, so nothing to trigger on.
[19:35] <LeoBodnar> well HDLC sync flag
[19:36] <LeoBodnar> you need to split APRS in multiple layers and work out each independently
[19:36] <day> right now im on the physical layer
[19:37] <day> how to encode 1/0
[19:37] <day> i dont think theres anything below that
[19:37] <LeoBodnar> 2200 2200 1200
[19:37] <LeoBodnar> or 1200 1200 2200
[19:37] <LeoBodnar> both are 10
[19:37] <pc1pcl> or I guess 2200 2200 2200 2200 1200
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> but you can't send just "10"
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> because "1" has no sync inside it
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> but you can send 00000010 very happily
[19:38] <day> to what would 2200 2200 1200 1200 decode? 100?
[19:39] <LeoBodnar> on its own?
[19:39] <day> yes
[19:39] <LeoBodnar> 01
[19:39] <pc1pcl> 01? the ? is either 0 or 1 depending on the next tone..
[19:39] <LeoBodnar> after NTZI
[19:39] <LeoBodnar> NRZI
[19:40] <day> 2200 2200 1200 = 10 but 2200 2200 1200 1200 = 01? how can that be?
[19:41] <LeoBodnar> NRZI
[19:41] <day> how can modifing the end change the beginning?
[19:42] <pc1pcl> maybe should add a little more 'context' so instead of HHL write ...HHL... to imply some 'stuff' has come before and will come after?
[19:42] <LeoBodnar> 1200 and 2200 are not really 0 and 1, they are A and B or black and white
[19:42] <LeoBodnar> A->B is 0
[19:42] <LeoBodnar> so is B->A
[19:42] <LeoBodnar> A->A and B->B are both 1
[19:43] <LeoBodnar> or H L as pc1pcl suggests
[19:43] <LeoBodnar> but they are not same H and L in HDLC lol
[19:43] <day> so to send a chain of zeros i need to toggle the output all the time?
[19:43] <pc1pcl> yes.
[19:43] <LeoBodnar> exactement
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> it is a good start of transmission
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> don't send HDLC flags
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> send a string of zeros
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> and then one flag
[19:44] <pc1pcl> and to sned a chain of ones, you'd in theory send the same tone for a long time. But then you lose sync, so you'd have to insert a zero now and then
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> but this is already HDLC level
[19:45] <pc1pcl> (one of the ideas behind forcing a changing signal is also that you can detect link failure)
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[20:01] <Laurenceb_> interesting hyplits on B-64
[20:01] <Laurenceb_> going far south, good for the batteryt
[20:02] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes it realy does need a vacation with alot of sun :)
[20:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> looks like it will speed up during the morning hours and be over GB tomrrow noon
[20:08] <Laurenceb_> weather looks a bit clouding for photos
[20:09] <Laurenceb_> but it there may be some bands of clear sky
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[20:36] <chrisstubbs> Evening all
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[20:36] <chrisstubbs> We are launching JOTA2 at 10AM tomorrow instead of 12:30 as listed on the flight doc. Do we need to update the doc or will things be ok now?
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[20:37] <LeoBodnar> I think time is just for information
[20:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> I thought it only logged the data during the window
[20:38] <craag> THe window is all day
[20:38] <LeoBodnar> window has day granularity
[20:38] <craag> Only issues earlier were habrotate using the wrong habitat view url
[20:38] <chrisstubbs> okay cool
[20:38] <chrisstubbs> yeah sorry cheapo was so crap
[20:38] <chrisstubbs> I will do something about that some day
[20:38] <craag> heh it worked :)
[20:38] <LeoBodnar> call it crapo
[20:38] <LeoBodnar> lol :D
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[20:38] <chrisstubbs> aha
[20:39] <LeoBodnar> it worked fine
[20:39] <craag> ignore people complaining about fadey signal and drifting
[20:39] <craag> Leo has spoilt them
[20:39] <chrisstubbs> Minus the signal fades it should have worked fine if it didnt restart
[20:40] <craag> it got lock back, that's what mattered :)
[20:40] <chrisstubbs> lots of people were quite amazed by the distance it went, then more amazed when we showed them B64
[20:40] <craag> tracked to the end - with a bit of added drama in the middle!
[20:41] <LeoBodnar> perfect plot
[20:41] <craag> yeah
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[20:42] <chrisstubbs> Not sure why it restarted, the battery voltage looked fine. Can the cold make AVR's restart?
[20:42] <craag> Hmm Lunar_Lander had one restart a few times in his -80 freezer
[20:42] <LeoBodnar> not really unless it's a bad joint
[20:42] <craag> But not seen it on a flight before
[20:42] <craag> (in absence of other factors)
[20:43] <LeoBodnar> do you have restarts in firmware code?
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[20:44] <chrisstubbs> RFM22B restarts every 50 lines, but no AVR restarts
[20:44] <LeoBodnar> ok
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[20:45] <LeoBodnar> does it use internal RC osc or crystal?
[20:45] <chrisstubbs> 8mhz dirty cheap aliexpress crystal
[20:47] <LeoBodnar> crystals are OK
[20:50] <Bob_Saget> any chance someone on here has setup an igate with an SDR device?
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> craag, ah one correction
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> that was not in the freezer
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> that was in the LN2 box?
[20:51] <craag> ah ok
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[20:57] <db_g6gzh> Bob_Saget: I'm currently trying PyMultimonAPRS iGate on G6GZH-2 but it's not as sensitive as the proper setup I had on -1
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[21:00] <Bob_Saget> what hardware are you using? I have a B200 i'd like to use but not sure which software will work best. Also want to do this on my odroid (arm) box
[21:00] <day> LeoBodnar: so, to keep everything nice and synced you send those 0x7E packages once in a while?
[21:01] <LeoBodnar> before the APRS message and after
[21:01] <LeoBodnar> one on each side is enough
[21:01] <day> between you pray that everything stays synced?
[21:01] <day> well shouldnt be to hard i guess
[21:02] <db_g6gzh> Bob_Saget: Raspberry Pi with RTLSDR like https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=314
[21:02] <day> so basically you turn on the transmitter send the 0x7E followed by the aprs data and another 0x7E (for?)
[21:05] <Bob_Saget> no I have the B200 no rtl
[21:08] <db_g6gzh> day: the aprs data is in an AX.25 UI frame
[21:08] <LeoBodnar> you need to send some data to get RX to lock onto sync
[21:08] <LeoBodnar> 100ms of 000000000000 is enough
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[21:08] <LeoBodnar> so 00000000...00000000000[FLAG]APRS data[FLAG]
[21:09] <LeoBodnar> https://www.tapr.org/pub_ax25.html
[21:09] <db_g6gzh> Bob_Saget: OK, I'm not sure what software would best be suited to that
[21:10] <LeoBodnar> day: this needs to go through NRZI encoding
[21:10] <LeoBodnar> and assumes bit-stuffing over APRS data
[21:11] <craag> Is it common for n-type mosfets to fail 'on'?
[21:12] <day> LeoBodnar: are you sure its nrzi and not nrzs?
[21:13] <day> because wiki says: "One" is represented by no change in physical level. "Zero" is represented by a change in physical level.
[21:14] <Rebounder> db_g6gzh: i've run multimon for aprs too but seems not very sensitive
[21:14] <day> never mind apparently nrzi exists in to versions~
[21:17] <db_g6gzh> Rebounder: if you look on aprs.fi you can see my coverage area for it on G6GZH-2 vs G6GZH-1 which is IC-251E and TNC-Pi on same antenna
[21:17] <ulfr> db_g6gzh: the sdr needs better quality signal to decode?
[21:21] <db_g6gzh> I've not tried adjusting gains or anything but it seems to have about half the range, whether it's the sdr or the multimon demodulator I couldn't say
[21:25] <Rebounder> db_g6gzh: tried? http://home.comcast.net/~wb2osz/site/
[21:26] <Bob_Saget> yes!
[21:26] <Bob_Saget> thanks
[21:27] <Bob_Saget> I am using direwolf now it seems wor work nicely
[21:27] <Bob_Saget> just set it up
[21:27] <ulfr> Interesting.
[21:27] <db_g6gzh> I should probably try it
[21:28] <ulfr> direwolf is promising, never had the opportunity to test it though.
[21:29] <db_g6gzh> I just based it on http://www.kubonweb.de/?p=130 as an experiment to see if it would work at all
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[21:31] <ulfr> Somehow I'd suspect the SDR to do a better job than the rpi-tcn-x thing
[21:31] <ulfr> But that's more based on a feeling than facts.
[21:32] <ulfr> iirc the arduino igate I had for testing was way more sensetive than the rpi-tnc-x thing.
[21:35] <db_g6gzh> interesting, I've not compared the TNC-Pi with other hardware TNCs but it does seem to need a good signal to decode
[21:35] <ulfr> I've had the same feeling as well.
[21:35] <Upu> interesting as his design is pretty good
[21:35] <ulfr> Well, all of the modem IC tncs seem to do.
[21:35] <Upu> I redid it for the Pi+
[21:35] <Upu> got one running here
[21:36] <ulfr> we have alot of tnc-x stuff here in TF
[21:36] <ulfr> it's stable, but I find it lack the decoding capabilities
[21:36] <ulfr> but then again, it's friggin afsk...
[21:36] <Upu> put a GPS on so its an NTP server too
[21:36] <Upu> http://imgur.com/CqZVvDj
[21:37] <ulfr> I had some plans to make a stratum server
[21:37] <ulfr> but alas, no time and too few pies.
[21:37] <Upu> thats the not Pi_ version
[21:37] <ulfr> not pi?
[21:37] <Upu> Pi+
[21:37] <ulfr> hm
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[21:38] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/Z7DrGZJ.jpg
[21:38] <ulfr> interesting.
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[21:38] <ulfr> that's a pi with gps stuff etc on it?
[21:39] <Upu> its the TNC-X with a GPS on for PPS stuff
[21:39] <ulfr> I see.
[21:39] <ulfr> didn't know they had that.
[21:39] <Upu> they don't :)
[21:39] <ulfr> What sorcery is this then?
[21:39] <ulfr> Did you build this?
[21:39] <Upu> I did
[21:39] <Upu> he gave me his code
[21:39] <ulfr> How nice.
[21:39] <ulfr> well, it's open source..
[21:39] <Upu> yup
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[21:40] <Upu> I think he's deciding whether to sell it
[21:40] <ulfr> Well.
[21:40] <ulfr> I know of two guys who'd like a kit.
[21:40] <Upu> if you want to make a GPS NTP server
[21:40] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/qTh6I6v.jpg
[21:40] <ulfr> But then again, I'm not sure.
[21:40] <craag> oo that's nice
[21:40] <ulfr> We're trying to solve this incompatability issues with our digis and igates in TF
[21:40] <Upu> I know shield is spelt wrong
[21:41] <ulfr> ie alot of different hardware etc
[21:41] <Upu> there is a saw/lan on the bottom
[21:41] <craag> haha didn't notice
[21:41] <chrisstubbs> someone has been busy with PCBs Upu
[21:41] <Upu> I have LOTS chrisstubbs :)
[21:41] <chrisstubbs> Pi+ ALL THE THINGS
[21:41] <Upu> Got the new pits boards
[21:41] <craag> Upu: is it a ublox max on that?
[21:41] <Upu> For the A+
[21:42] <Upu> yes craag
[21:43] <Upu> New version of the Lora gateway : http://gerblook.org/pcb/UcJdRQPna6GaaiksCt44hj
[21:43] <Upu> numbers as requested
[21:43] <craag> nice kb btw
[21:44] <Upu> heh ta , its quite old
[21:44] <Upu> http://gerblook.org/pcb/MRTYvGLLDDFmmChSzTa3iV
[21:44] <Upu> thats the underside of that patch antenna board
[21:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK2HAB-11 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK2HAB-11
[21:44] <craag> I had the flip-lid version til my housemate poured coke all over it and let the magic smoke out of the control pcb :(
[21:45] <Upu> lol magic smoke
[21:45] <Upu> http://gerblook.org/pcb/yfnVXc2qoH5ZFNjCgzjUk9
[21:45] <ulfr> What?
[21:45] <Upu> new pits with its sexy 2A buck boost
[21:45] <ulfr> craag: you didn't equip it with +6 reistance vs coke?
[21:45] <Upu> the pits and the lora stack
[21:45] <Upu> and the HX1 board for APRS...
[21:46] <craag> yay numbers ;)
[21:46] <Upu> that was your request :)
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[21:48] <ulfr> that's pretty cool.
[21:49] <craag> Upu: You're not planning to make a ukhasnet-pi pcb are you?
[21:49] <Upu> wasn't but spec it and I'll make it
[21:49] <ulfr> The worst problem about the magic smoke is that it's relaly hard to get it back in once it escapes..
[21:49] <ulfr> s/problem/part
[21:50] <craag> Well I was going to make one with rfm69, rfm98 and a dirty poe adaptor for gateways - just wanted to make sure I wasn't duplicating :)
[21:51] <Upu> nope I've not done much with UKHASNet
[21:51] <Upu> other than get some of the RFM69's
[21:51] <Upu> those RFM98's sold out in 2 weeks (50 of them)
[21:51] <Upu> I had to get some more
[21:51] <Upu> people don't buy singles :)
[21:52] <craag> ha
[21:52] <craag> wow
[21:52] <craag> lots of people wanting to use them then
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[21:53] <db_g6gzh> I've not got far with mine yet, got distracted by ukhasnet
[21:53] <craag> good rough geographical distribution of buyers?
[21:53] <db_g6gzh> that Pi+ TNC and GPS board looks useful
[21:55] <Upu> its with Coastal Chipworks deciding if they want to sell it
[21:55] <Upu> I just stuck a UV5R on it and away it goes
[21:56] <Upu> though all that said I've heard some very good stuff about direwolf
[21:56] <db_g6gzh> it would replace most of my car pc setup http://album.dbrooke.me.uk/car_pc/tn/P1010397.JPG.html
[21:56] <ulfr> there were some good reviews on it on aprssig earlier this summer I believe.
[21:56] <Upu> wow TinyTNC :)
[21:56] <ulfr> Which is another thing that annoyes me about the pi
[21:56] <Upu> anyone want one of those ? :)
[21:56] <ulfr> it doesn't have af in
[21:57] <ulfr> db_g6gzh: now that's some serious stuff
[21:57] <mikestir> Upu: do you know what the difference is between the RFM96 and RFM98?
[21:57] <ulfr> but I guess my truck's stuff is hardly better
[21:57] <Upu> with that board, craag script and a 3G modem you could make an mobile digi
[21:57] <db_g6gzh> redeployment of old stuff mostly
[21:57] <ulfr> ibm laptop + TT4 + IC706 + GPSmap 276
[21:57] <Upu> modes and power mikestir ? Just guessing don't know tbh
[21:58] <mikestir> well you'd think, except they're identical in every respect if you look at the summary table
[21:58] <Upu> daveake will know but he's in paris atm
[21:59] <Upu> but yes db_g6gzh all that could be replaced :)
[21:59] <Upu> and you'd get to use your boot again
[21:59] Action: ulfr did consider replacing the current setup with rpi
[21:59] <ulfr> but then I'd need a touch screen and wine oziexplorer.
[22:00] <Upu> Dave's done it
[22:00] <db_g6gzh> I run modified dantracker code for the aprs in the car http://www.danplanet.com/blog/tag/aprs/
[22:00] <ulfr> and ozi is so heavily visual C dependent that it'd suck.
[22:00] <Upu> he has a Pi + touch screen in his chase thing
[22:00] <mikestir> ulfr: wine won't work on arm anyway
[22:01] <mikestir> because Wine Is Not an Emulator
[22:01] <ulfr> mikestir: you put the final nail to that coffin.
[22:02] <ulfr> ozi is primary program on my truck's computer.
[22:02] <ulfr> the rest is all fun and games.
[22:02] <ulfr> (without ozi in the highlands in TF I'd be dead at least 10 times)
[22:05] <craag> Yes I ran a Pi, 3G, wouxon HT, ublox and usb soundcard in my car as a mobile viscous digi+igate for a while.
[22:06] <craag> over 2 months I think it igated less than 10 packets, and digipeated valuably once.
[22:06] <craag> (igated where another igate didn't upload it first)
[22:06] <db_g6gzh> hah
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[22:07] <ulfr> haha
[22:07] <ulfr> good for redundancy though
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[22:08] <db_g6gzh> I live between several aprs digis, some of which don't igate, so can potentially be useful as infill
[22:08] <ulfr> bi directional igates are always useful, especially with a good viscous thing
[22:09] <db_g6gzh> that would need an NoV here (APRS-IS to RF at least)
[22:09] <ulfr> NoV?
[22:10] <db_g6gzh> notice of variation (to the amateur licence) i.e. special permission
[22:10] <craag> Well you can do it, you just subsequently take responsibility for all content
[22:10] <ulfr> Ah.
[22:11] <craag> That's what repeater/digi licenses are for really
[22:11] <craag> removing responsibility for the transmissions content from an individual
[22:11] <ulfr> That's how it works in TF as well.
[22:11] <db_g6gzh> yes, I used to run a BBS/IP router GB7OIP on an NoV
[22:11] <ulfr> certs on aprs would solve a bit of that issue though.
[22:12] <craag> I looked at IS -> RF, but there was never any RF activity round me, let alone IS :P
[22:12] <ulfr> If the old farts of aprssig wouldn't be so naive...
[22:12] <ulfr> craag: where are you located?
[22:12] <craag> southampton, uk
[22:12] <ulfr> btw, TF3SUT here.
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[22:15] <Upu> I run M0UPU-1 as a full digi
[22:15] <Upu> http://aprs.fi/info/a/M0UPU-1
[22:15] <Upu> get quite a bit of traffic as I cover the M62/M1/A1
[22:16] <Upu> http://aprs.fi/#!v=heard&call=a%2FM0UPU-1&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[22:16] <craag> There looks to be a bit more activity in the north
[22:16] <ulfr> heh, aprx.
[22:16] <craag> mobile activity at least
[22:16] <Upu> I think its just the location
[22:16] <ulfr> Cool.
[22:16] <Upu> sup with aprx ?
[22:17] <craag> aprx is what I used
[22:17] <ulfr> aprx rocks
[22:17] <Upu> I don't have a NoV
[22:17] <ulfr> matti knows his stuff, too bad he got a yl.
[22:17] <ulfr> so not much happening with aprx these days
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[22:17] <db_g6gzh> G6GZH-1 is a viscous digi (or was until I started playing with the rtlsdr as -2)
[22:17] <ulfr> or rather "too bad", not so bad for him :)
[22:18] <Upu> I could never get the RTLSDR working
[22:18] <ulfr> db_g6gzh: can't run aprx with that?
[22:18] <db_g6gzh> well, can't tx with it 8-)
[22:18] <craag> we've run a repeater down here sometimes :)
[22:18] <ulfr> You can configure aprx to not tx...
[22:19] <Upu> I spoke to the guys who run the local MB7
[22:19] <craag> under the club callsign
[22:19] <Upu> and the general concensous was OFCOM couldn't give a monkies about packet
[22:19] <Upu> consensus
[22:19] <Upu> the NoV conditions are totally retarded
[22:19] <Upu> and not worth the time and effort
[22:20] <craag> Legally it just means that if you digipeat anything inappropriate/illegal, your license is on the line.
[22:20] <Upu> yup
[22:20] <craag> Other than that, the only issue is your inbox filling up with angry hams emails
[22:21] <ulfr> that's what spam filters are for...
[22:21] <Upu> I transmit my mail address in my beacon
[22:21] <Upu> 22:15:36.392 M0UPU-1 T M0UPU-1>APRX28,:!5345.12NI00149.10W#PHG20304/M0UPU iGate upuaut@gmail.com
[22:21] <Upu> not had one moan
[22:21] <craag> heh
[22:21] <LeoBodnar> MOAN
[22:21] <craag> I put my website in
[22:21] <craag> got a couple of emails
[22:21] <db_g6gzh> well my experience with trying to get NoV to do some interesting new-ish stuff some years back I won't go into here but I don't blame ofcom
[22:21] <Upu> I moaned at the other guy who runs another un-NOV'd digi locally
[22:21] <ulfr> I don't transmit my mail adress and I regularely get angry emails
[22:21] <Upu> as he never sets his clock
[22:22] <Upu> so you get delayed packets
[22:22] <ulfr> heh
[22:22] <craag> one about not having an NoV, and the other about digipeaters MUST be static, not mobile.
[22:22] <ulfr> There was an interesting bug some months ago.
[22:22] <ulfr> About clock shifting issues, delivering thousands of packets suddenly.
[22:22] <ulfr> I can't remember the exact software, but it was pi related iirc.
[22:22] <craag> when I was doing this, the portsmouth repeater had the dodgy firmware that sent stale packets occasionally
[22:23] <ulfr> not that it had any effect on the aprs-is...
[22:23] <craag> they said it looked fine on aprs.fi, so they wouldn't fix it
[22:23] <ulfr> lol..
[22:23] <ulfr> "if it's sort of not broken we ain't fixin it"
[22:23] <Upu> Leo has had quite a few positions mis reported due to badly setup igates
[22:23] <craag> aprs in a sentence
[22:23] <ulfr> just all ham stuff
[22:24] <ulfr> "this worked in the early 90's, why change it?"
[22:24] <db_g6gzh> there's a known issue with (I think) KPC3+ TNC and UI-View but plenty seem to still run that combination
[22:24] <ulfr> just kpc3 in general
[22:24] <ulfr> it needs a regular reset
[22:25] <ulfr> otherwise it starts to spam the network iirc
[22:25] <ulfr> ui-view is just horrible
[22:25] <ulfr> but then again, there isn't any good gui software out there
[22:25] <Upu> Yeah I've looked at ui-view a number of times
[22:25] <ulfr> it's horrible
[22:25] <Upu> and I just can't get past the UI
[22:25] <ulfr> but there isn't a good alternative
[22:25] <Upu> nope
[22:25] <ulfr> hams are terrible at software writing
[22:25] <ulfr> xastir is horrible in it's own way
[22:26] <db_g6gzh> I run xastir, which is kind of OK but a bit dated
[22:26] <Upu> well hams are terrible at UI's
[22:26] <ulfr> the only good ham software for aprs is aprx and aprsc
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[22:26] <craag> aprx is lovely
[22:26] <craag> aprx+soundmodem
[22:26] <Upu> I'm always a fan of stuff that just works
[22:27] <Upu> AGWTracker/AGWPE/AGWUIDIGI
[22:27] <Upu> sort of work
[22:27] <db_g6gzh> yeah aprx is sane and works
[22:27] <Upu> and the interface isn't completely crap
[22:27] <Upu> but they are a ball ache to set up
[22:27] <Upu> and the digirepeater bit is very intermittant
[22:27] <Hes> Well, the bug ulfr mentioned was in aprx actually :( It sent quite a few packets out rather rapidly if the host clock did a jump
[22:27] <mikestir> isn't agwpe that one where the splash screen is a photo of the author demonstrating his awesome smoking skills?
[22:28] <Hes> which happened to be quite a normal action on some devices with no real-time clock, such as RPi, after boot
[22:29] <Upu> hence me putting a NTP server on it
[22:29] <db_g6gzh> hopefully mine gets ntp sync early enough to avoid that
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[22:29] <kf7fer> I'll add a vote for direwolf... It just worked out of the box for me (but I am just using it to decode packets)
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[22:31] <Hes> I'm not a big fan of the AGW product suite. Once I tried to make a point to the author, that UTF-8 would be a better choice than the UTF-16 he was using for international messaging over APRS. His argument was that "I am using Unicode, and that works great".
[22:31] <Hes> Tried to argument a bit more, but he did not get the point.
[22:32] <Upu> I stopped using it, I don't think its being actively developed
[22:33] <Hes> There is a good bunch of agw instances, transmitting beacons with a comment or status string saying "A<NUL>G<NUL>W<NUL>T<NUL>r<NUL>a</NUL>c</NUL>k<NUL>e</NUL>r</NUL>" or something like that.
[22:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VK2HAB-12 after 0316 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK2HAB-12
[22:42] <Maxell> VK2HAB-12!
[22:43] <Maxell> oh
[22:43] <Maxell> testing
[22:44] <LeoBodnar> It's on B64 road
[22:46] <arko> yep!
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[22:48] <Upu> Hes you're behind aprs.fi ?
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[22:52] <LeoBodnar> Hey Hes
[22:57] <ulfr> what, is hes around here?
[22:57] <ulfr> :D
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[22:58] <DL7AD> evening
[22:58] <ulfr> DL7AD: evenin'
[22:59] <DL7AD> hi ulfr
[22:59] <ulfr> How's life, universe, and everything tonight?
[22:59] <lz1dev> not sure how much he watches irc, or maybe he is just busy, but when i tried to contact him, the reply took a few days
[22:59] <DL7AD> ulfr: good. just came back from tv :D
[23:00] <ulfr> tv?
[23:00] <DL7AD> yeah tv
[23:00] <DL7AD> television
[23:02] <ulfr> lz1dev: well, he's a bit active on ircnet I know.
[23:02] <ulfr> we have #aprs there.
[23:03] <ulfr> at least sometimes...
[23:03] <ulfr> Upu: but Hes is behind aprs.fi and aprsc.
[23:03] <ulfr> part of the FWD.
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