highaltitude.log.20141016

[00:07] <BeaverOne> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=2482def4bbd4ece0e5eedfe22ab622bded74834f
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[00:19] <BeaverOne> what GPS Tracker do you guys use that works above 60 kilometers?
[00:19] <adamgreig> 60 kilometers?
[00:19] <adamgreig> what are you planning?
[00:19] <BeaverOne> at least 90 kilometer altitude
[00:19] <BeaverOne> the very least
[00:19] <adamgreig> that's quite high
[00:19] <adamgreig> on what vehicle?
[00:20] <BeaverOne> Eagle Pro
[00:20] <adamgreig> hm?
[00:20] <adamgreig> I mean, it's presumably not a balloon
[00:21] <BeaverOne> yes, a balloon
[00:21] <adamgreig> how do you plan to get a balloon to 90km?
[00:21] <BeaverOne> helium
[00:21] <lz1dev> and a prayer
[00:21] <BeaverOne> only a maximum of 600grams payload
[00:21] <adamgreig> hmm
[00:21] <adamgreig> that is.. unlikely to work
[00:22] <BeaverOne> http://www.highaltitudescience.com/products/eagle-pro-near-space-kit
[00:22] <adamgreig> are you confusing 90km and 90kft?
[00:22] <lz1dev> 600g balloon :)
[00:22] <BeaverOne> 90km is very difficult ??
[00:22] <adamgreig> 90km is not really possible with a balloon
[00:22] <adamgreig> 90 000 ft is about 30km is OK
[00:22] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 000 ft = 0.00 m
[00:23] <BeaverOne> oh, i made a mistake in my calculations
[00:23] <ulfr> ballon can never escape 60km
[00:23] <BeaverOne> 30-35km
[00:24] <BeaverOne> my mistake
[00:24] <ulfr> if it ever reaches it
[00:24] <lz1dev> http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0277/1287/products/Eagle_Spot_1024x1024.jpg?v=1381591574
[00:24] <adamgreig> that's more likely
[00:24] <lz1dev> :D
[00:24] <adamgreig> check out http://habhub.org/calc/
[00:24] <adamgreig> anyway a range of GPS units will work at that altitude
[00:24] <adamgreig> a popular choice here is the uBlox range
[00:24] <ulfr> for more youll nedd a rocket.
[00:24] <lz1dev> http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0277/1287/products/Eagle_Pro_Holga_1024x1024.jpg?v=1381591614
[00:25] <BeaverOne> Altitude unreachable for this configuration.
[00:25] <BeaverOne> i need more than a 600gram balloon
[00:25] <BeaverOne> for 33km
[00:25] <BeaverOne> or even 30km
[00:26] <adamgreig> or a lighter payload
[00:26] <adamgreig> but yea, a 600g balloon is quite small
[00:27] <adamgreig> you can probably do this without buying an expensive kit
[00:27] <adamgreig> the balloons themselves are quite cheap
[00:28] <ulfr> yes
[00:28] <BeaverOne> Operating Altitude: -91m to +6,492m (-300ft to +21,300ft)
[00:28] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 300 ft = 91 m
[00:29] <BeaverOne> the Spot II GPS Satellite Tracker only does 21300 feet
[00:29] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 21300 ft = 6 km
[00:29] <BeaverOne> :(
[00:29] <adamgreig> yes
[00:29] <BeaverOne> i heard it's limited by the laws
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[00:34] <DaleHowells> Heya, anyone still awake?
[00:36] <ulfr> yes
[00:36] <DaleHowells> in regards to payload balloon release and parachute deployment, is it advisable to have a mechanism, or use the explosion of the balloon?
[00:36] <DaleHowells> ah hello, good evening
[00:36] <adamgreig> mostly people use the balloon bursting
[00:36] <DaleHowells> more like morning.
[00:36] <ulfr> tie the parachute btween
[00:36] <adamgreig> mechanisms can be hard to get right
[00:36] <DaleHowells> ah great
[00:37] <DaleHowells> what sort of parachutes?
[00:37] <adamgreig> the balloon bursting is quite reliable
[00:37] <adamgreig> smallish ones
[00:37] <ulfr> and a long tethering line
[00:37] <adamgreig> the type used for model rockets work quite well
[00:37] <DaleHowells> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/25-Kid-Children-Tangle-Free-Toy-Parachute-Kite-Outdoor-Play-Game-Figure-Bear-/280899046040?pt=UK_Toys_Games_Outdoor_Toys_Garden_Games_Activities_LE&hash=item4166e34a98
[00:37] <ulfr> 0.7-1.2m
[00:37] <adamgreig> http://randomengineering.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Parachutes.html
[00:37] <adamgreig> if you're in the UK I'd get something from ^
[00:37] <ulfr> depends on paload weight
[00:38] <adamgreig> the spherachutes are very nice
[00:38] <ulfr> and what descent u want
[00:38] <ulfr> model rocket ones are cheap pr gram
[00:38] <DaleHowells> im still working on it really, the load isn't going to be that big
[00:39] <ulfr> ok
[00:39] <DaleHowells> really will only be a postcard sized pcb with a battery / foam enclosure
[00:39] <adamgreig> probably just the 18" will be fine then
[00:39] <adamgreig> there is a calculator on that page
[00:39] <adamgreig> aim for 5m/s sea level descent rate
[00:40] <DaleHowells> great thanks, really in the brainstorming part of the project atm
[00:40] <DaleHowells> I ordered a cheap SDR, and the radiometrix transmitter
[00:40] <DaleHowells> so have an experiment with try get the comms working
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[00:47] <BeaverOne> do you guys use a Computerized Gimbal to stabilize your cameras in the balloon's payload module?
[00:48] <adamgreig> not in general. one or two people have
[00:48] <adamgreig> it's very rare, not least because it's not easy to do
[00:50] <DaleHowells> i'd imagine a mechnical gyroscopic mount would be better if any?
[00:51] <adamgreig> perhaps
[00:51] <adamgreig> probably heavier
[00:51] <adamgreig> I would probably not worry about things like that, certainly for a first flight
[00:52] <DaleHowells> im not planning cameras for my first flight, don't really wanna risk it until I have proven it flight worthy / recoverable
[00:52] <adamgreig> I'd put some kind of camera on the first flight, it's pretty much the best part of recovery :P
[00:52] <adamgreig> check out the wiki at www.ukhas.org.uk and maybe stick around here and/or email the mailing list
[00:53] <adamgreig> you can get very good odds of recovery first time
[00:53] <adamgreig> like, don't send up your prized SLR and £2000 lens, but a cheap old canon point and shoot rigged to take photos all the time, or a cheap action video camera..
[00:54] <DaleHowells> ok yeah
[00:54] <DaleHowells> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-MD80-Mini-DV-Digital-Video-Camera-DVR-Spy-Cam-Pocket-Cam-Bike-Cam-/350944100272?pt=UK_Gadgets&hash=item51b5e5ffb0
[00:55] <DaleHowells> I have a few of these laying around, might be alright, as long as it stays warm
[00:55] <adamgreig> it will probably stay warm
[00:55] <adamgreig> no convection means no cooling
[00:55] <adamgreig> so electronics does well
[00:55] <DaleHowells> ah cool
[00:55] <DaleHowells> a lot of people use hand warmers
[00:55] <adamgreig> (there is still some cooling, both convection and conduction to very cold atmosphere and radiative to space, but...)
[00:55] <adamgreig> don't do that
[00:56] <DaleHowells> these aren't really needed then?
[00:56] <adamgreig> a lot of people don't use hand warmers
[00:56] <adamgreig> waste of time for several reasons
[00:56] <adamgreig> not least because most chemical hand warmers require atmospheric oxygen...
[00:56] <DaleHowells> ok, only ones i've previously seen on youtube
[00:56] <adamgreig> but mainly because electronics keep themselves plenty warm and anyway will tend to work fine even at the -40C you might see in the coldest parts of the lower atmosphere
[00:57] <DaleHowells> great
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[01:10] <BeaverOne> is the Eagle Pro a good kit to hit 30km ?
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[01:17] <adamgreig> hard for me to say. I wouldn't buy it, personally, but that's because I have no trouble putting together everything I need anyway :P
[01:17] <adamgreig> it's certainly an easy way to get all the parts
[01:17] <adamgreig> just a bit more expensive
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[01:50] <BeaverOne> adamgreig: you're pretty smart then
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[05:29] <Ian_> If you don't start smart, you can get plenty smart by reading this channel, talking with Mr Google and starting off small with a will to lash it all together yourself. The fun is in getting there. The orgasmic side of it doesn't last as long :-)
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[07:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX1 after 0321 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VORTEX1
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[07:20] <Vortex_base> Vortex 1, 2 and 3 in the air.
[07:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VORTEX2
[07:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX3 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VORTEX3
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[07:38] <mfa298> BeaverOne: if you're still around a lot of people start off with an arduino (or similar), ublox gps on a breakout and a suitable radio module (ntx2b in the UK, HX1 for aprs might be better in the US - but needs a radio license)
[07:40] <mfa298> BeaverOne: that then gives you a fairly basic taste of Electronics and programming for microcontrollers, You can then build up from there (more sensors, designing your own pcb etc)
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[08:32] <Vortex_base> Vortex aiming for release at 28km or so.
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[08:33] <oh7mmt> any info receiving mode for vortex?
[08:33] <Vortex_base> It's in Kiruna, nrthern sweden
[08:33] <Vortex_base> 434.4
[08:33] <oh7mmt> now hear something
[08:34] <Vortex_base> there's V1 on 434.398
[08:34] <Vortex_base> and V2 & 3 on 434.4004
[08:34] <oh7mmt> data not good
[08:34] <oh7mmt> rtty info?
[08:35] <oh7mmt> 7n2/450?
[08:35] <Vortex_base> Looks ok here. having to use 300 Hz, 50 baud, 7n2
[08:35] <oh7mmt> ok
[08:37] <oh7mmt> 11:33 < Vortex_base> 434.4
[08:37] <oh7mmt> 11:33 < oh7mmt> now hear something
[08:37] <oh7mmt> 11:34 < Vortex_base> there's V1 on 434.398
[08:37] <oh7mmt> 11:34 < Vortex_base> and V2 & 3 on 434.4004
[08:37] <oh7mmt> 11:34 < oh7mmt> data not good
[08:37] <oh7mmt> 11:34 < oh7mmt> rtty info?
[08:37] <oh7mmt> 11:35 < oh7mmt> 7n2/450?
[08:37] <oh7mmt> 11:35 < Vortex_base> Looks ok here. having to use 300 Hz, 50 baud, 7n2
[08:37] <oh7mmt> sorry
[08:37] <oh7mmt> this putty copy did it again
[08:37] <Vortex_base> Happens.
[08:37] <edmoore> yes it's annoying when it does that
[08:37] <edmoore> not to worry
[08:38] <edmoore> weather conditions better Vortex_base ?
[08:38] <Vortex_base> Lovely at the moment.
[08:38] <edmoore> great. good luck
[08:38] <Vortex_base> Had to launch a long way away!
[08:39] <edmoore> downwind of kiruna base?
[08:39] <edmoore> upwind*
[08:40] <edmoore> actually i guess you don't want them dropping on kiruna itself :s
[08:40] <Vortex_base> Yup, aim to land it on our doorstep!
[08:40] <Vortex_base> ESRANGE is 30 km from Kiruna
[08:43] <edmoore> are these vehicles free-falling first?
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[08:44] <OH2FQV> GM gents
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[09:02] <oh7mmt> should that data be readable?
[09:02] <oh7mmt> or is there some other transmission now?
[09:03] <Vortex_base> I can recieve V1 & V3
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[09:05] <OH2FQV> Vortex_base: what settings you use?
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[09:07] <Vortex_base> 300Hz, 50 baud, 7n2
[09:07] <Vortex_base> V3 on 434.400.4
[09:07] <Vortex_base> v1 on 434.398
[09:08] <Vortex_base> V3 is at 1.7 km, might be too lw.
[09:08] <Vortex_base> V3 is at 1.7 km, might be too low.
[09:09] <oh7mmt> they r dropping now?
[09:09] <Vortex_base> Yes.
[09:09] <Vortex_base> V1 at 4.5 km.
[09:09] <oh7mmt> ok. No more tests today?
[09:10] <OH2FQV> Vortex_base thanks. Now I have correct mode settings. Lets hope V2 remains high
[09:11] <Vortex_base> V2 is very low at the moment, unfortunately.
[09:12] <Vortex_base> I tracked it all the way in.
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[09:14] <fsphil> [ot] Ice on Mercury, http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?image_id=1485
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[11:19] <day> i wonder, who is hosting the necessary infrastructure to receive all the aprs packages?
[11:19] <fsphil> hobbyists
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[11:20] <day> fsphil: are there any pictures documentations about these receivers? Arent they pretty big and need a good chunk of energy?
[11:21] <craag> They're normally standard Ham FM receivers, connected up to a microcontroller that does the packet processing
[11:22] <day> craag: so no frequency hopping? They just scan on whatever you set them on?
[11:22] <craag> There's one co-ordinated frequency
[11:22] <craag> in europe it's 144.800
[11:22] <craag> In usa it's 144.390
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[11:22] <day> oh ok. i thought all baloons have slightly different onces to remove interference issue
[11:22] <day> s
[11:22] <craag> not aprs ones
[11:23] <day> ok
[11:23] <craag> you're meant to listen and only tx when the channel is clear
[11:23] <craag> but 90% don't have a receiver for cost reasons
[11:23] <craag> so jsut tx and hope it doesn't collide
[11:24] <craag> (the mobile beacons that is. All infrastructure has a receiver)
[11:25] <fsphil> for the 434mhz signals we use here, the payloads transmit continuously so need to use different frequencies
[11:25] <day> obviously :p
[11:25] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE -> Geoff-G8DHE_
[11:25] <day> where is here?
[11:25] <craag> uk
[11:25] <fsphil> uk
[11:25] <day> i thought europe is 144.8? or do you speak over something else that aprs?
[11:26] <fsphil> we can't use 144.800 in the uk from balloons
[11:26] <craag> In the uk we're not allowed to use amateur radio airborne
[11:26] <craag> so we use a seperate system
[11:26] <fsphil> annoyingly
[11:26] <craag> That uses 43x MHz ISM license-exempt band
[11:26] <fsphil> though you can push more data through on 434mhz
[11:26] <day> do they shot down foreign balloons with 144? :D
[11:27] <craag> heh no. You just get a strongly worded letter ;)
[11:27] <day> how do they know who released it? o0
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> they watch the channel here ;-)
[11:27] <craag> cos with APRS you have to use your own callsign
[11:27] <day> and the callsign is registered?
[11:28] <craag> although you could ofcourse fake it
[11:28] <craag> Yep, it's issued to you by your government
[11:28] <craag> When you apply for the amateur radio license
[11:28] <craag> eg mine is M0DNY
[11:29] <day> and i guess one can not ask for a specific one :P
[11:29] <craag> in the uk you can if it's availible
[11:30] <fsphil> you get to chose the last three letters
[11:30] <craag> eg. dave got M0RPI
[11:30] <craag> prefix denotes country, so that's fixed
[11:30] <craag> M*/G*/2E* is UK
[11:30] <craag> F is france
[11:30] <fsphil> 2*0
[11:30] <craag> good point
[11:31] <fsphil> strange that one doesn't match the others
[11:31] <day> theres no stopping bureaucracy...
[11:31] <gonzo_> well, it may be tidied up when they review the licence! You all have reoplied to the ofcom consultations?
[11:32] <craag> not yet - main subject for radio club meeting tonight :)
[11:32] <fsphil> apparently very few people have gonzo_ :)
[11:32] <gonzo_> the 2e0 was a cock up
[11:32] <gonzo_> 300 replies so far
[11:32] <gonzo_> needs more
[11:32] <gonzo_> I'll post a reminder on the group
[11:32] <mattbrejza> is there a tldr version of what they are thinking of doing?
[11:34] <gonzo_> tldr?
[11:34] <mattbrejza> a short version
[11:34] <mattbrejza> one line summary
[11:34] <adamgreig> ofcom don't really do tldr
[11:35] <gonzo_> it's quite a loing doc. the summary loses some of the subtle points
[11:35] <mattbrejza> http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/consultations/amateur-radio-licence/summary/condoc.pdf ?
[11:36] <cm13g09> craag: Did daveake *actually* get M0RPI.... or did somebody else get it?
[11:36] <gonzo_> they want to change the frequency of needing to give the CS, but just to say, as soon/often as prcttical. But that just opens it up to interpretation
[11:36] <mattbrejza> that was M6RPI cm13g09
[11:36] <adamgreig> basically just take the rsgb suggested response and print it, fill in your callsign in the blank and post it, right :P
[11:36] <craag> cm13g09: That was with the M6 version
[11:36] <cm13g09> ah, did it get fixed?
[11:36] <gonzo_> they also mention voice/morse which is not helpful.
[11:36] <craag> yeah, he lsot it
[11:36] <craag> *lost
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[11:36] <day> whats so great about M0RPI?
[11:36] <cm13g09> :(
[11:36] <adamgreig> gonzo_: pretty sure it opens it up to interpretation of "whenever, we don't care at all"
[11:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VK2HAB-11 after 036 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK2HAB-11
[11:36] <craag> day: M0RaspberryPI
[11:36] <craag> He flys a lot of them...
[11:37] <daveake> daveake got and lost M6RPI (someone else already had it). I still do have M0RPI :)
[11:37] <day> why? arent they heavy + eat lots of energy?
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[11:37] <fsphil> not really no
[11:37] <mattbrejza> still a pico by american standards
[11:37] <gonzo_> adding two new bands to the shedual, but with nin qrm references that include non RT equipment
[11:37] <day> compared to a simple atmega?
[11:37] <gonzo_> non
[11:38] <gonzo_> I did take cues from the rsgb std reply, but don't agree with all
[11:38] <fsphil> lots compared to a microcontroller, but then we can connect a very cheap and good quality camera to the pi
[11:38] <fsphil> can't do the same for an atmega at the moment
[11:39] <day> true. i thought in lowtech terms :)
[11:39] <fsphil> though an stm32 and camera could be very low power
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[11:39] <mattbrejza> seems a bunch of countries dont like AR lol
[11:39] <day> but a lot more work
[11:40] <gonzo_> mattbrejza, is that the limitations on the new bands?
[11:40] <fsphil> I'm sure (hopefully) once you're over the hump of setting things up, the stm32 is pretty simple
[11:41] <mattbrejza> yea, limited to 1W when near a list of countries
[11:41] <day> fsphil: are you talking linux or bare?
[11:41] <fsphil> bare
[11:41] <day> i dont consider writing a camera driver simple :X
[11:41] <adamgreig> eh
[11:41] <fsphil> depends on the camera
[11:42] <day> nevre tried it
[11:42] <adamgreig> for the cameras you'd use on an stm32 it's just a big parallel bus and some sync signals being fed into a camera peripheral and DMAd to RAM
[11:42] <gonzo_> expect they have things in those bands or their PTTs can't be bothered to look into it
[11:42] <gonzo_> so saying no is the least effort
[11:42] <adamgreig> or not, i've also done it with an 8bit interface and no camera peripheral and an interrupt on vsync followed by dmaing gpios, whatever
[11:44] <mattbrejza> the potentially more difficuilt task is encoding hte data to jpeg in real time so you dont need loads of ram
[11:44] <fsphil> the trick is dealing with the lack of memory, unless you add external ram
[11:45] <Laurenceb> F4 has a fair bit of ram
[11:45] <Laurenceb> but i guess it depends on image size
[11:45] <mattbrejza> not enough for an entire ram though
[11:45] <mattbrejza> *frame
[11:46] <mattbrejza> i think i was looking at sending 640x480 ssdv but saving to sd card larger images
[11:47] <adamgreig> the new F7 has 1M flash
[11:47] <adamgreig> wait
[11:47] <adamgreig> wrong number lol
[11:47] <adamgreig> 320k RAM, meh
[11:47] <adamgreig> still need external really
[11:47] <mattbrejza> DRAM controller i suspect
[11:47] <adamgreig> I mean, I guess 320k is still a lot of ram
[11:48] <adamgreig> SDRAM
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[11:49] <adamgreig> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169/SS1858/LN1902/PF260794
[11:49] <mattbrejza> do you get ADRAM?
[11:49] <adamgreig> lol hope not
[11:49] <day> 320k ram is more than enough
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[11:49] <day> the question is how fast do you want it to be
[11:49] <adamgreig> not really though
[11:49] <adamgreig> 640*480*2 is 614kB
[11:49] <adamgreig> for a small image
[11:50] <adamgreig> so you still end up needing real time jpeg encoding
[11:50] <adamgreig> which is a pain
[11:50] <day> im sure you hack the work into pieces
[11:50] <fsphil> s/pain/fun challange/ :)
[11:50] <gonzo_> possibly not a job for a PIC then
[11:50] <adamgreig> but no, because the camera streams the image to you
[11:50] <adamgreig> you can't just slow it down
[11:50] <adamgreig> without mucking the exposure and gubbins anyway
[11:50] <day> adamgreig: just save the stream to an sd card
[11:50] <mattbrejza> well theres not much work to go from batch jpeg encoding to real time encoding
[11:50] <day> then work from there
[11:50] <adamgreig> day: also really not trivial
[11:51] <day> not saying it is
[11:51] <adamgreig> like, sd card would be stupid when you can get a big external ram
[11:51] <adamgreig> but yea, you just have to crack the real time jpeg thing well I suspect
[11:51] <adamgreig> how's that pcb going mattbrejza :P
[11:51] <Laurenceb> id just go low res
[11:51] <fsphil> lol
[11:51] <mattbrejza> lora distracted me lol
[11:52] <mattbrejza> i think ill get a camera breakout board + f4 disco first though
[11:53] <mattbrejza> is the f7 the first M core with AXI?
[11:56] <Laurenceb> aiui yes
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[12:02] <Laurenceb> i was looking for a high speed (>100fps) camera for use with stm32
[12:02] <Laurenceb> couldnt find anything :-/
[12:02] <Laurenceb> using gopro + BBB now
[12:02] <mattbrejza> would the stm32 be fast enough had you found the sensor?
[12:05] <Laurenceb> i wasnt after real time
[12:05] <Laurenceb> just a few frames
[12:05] <mattbrejza> oh right
[12:05] <Laurenceb> for high speed stuff
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[12:12] <day> adamgreig: external ram wouldnt be a perfect solution either, because all the tiny chips dont have external accessable mem controllers. It would be a bitbanging nightmare :>
[12:13] <adamgreig> stm32s do have external memory controllers though
[12:13] <adamgreig> and are as cheap as anything else and pretty tiny
[12:13] <adamgreig> as soon as you have to bitbang your ram you've probably lost the game already
[12:14] <adamgreig> there are very scant few clock cycles per word on the bus
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[12:15] <mattbrejza> damn
[12:15] <mattbrejza> i lost the game
[12:15] <mattbrejza> thakns adamgreig
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[12:22] <adamgreig> yw
[12:24] <mattbrejza> attaching external ram needs much more board space though
[12:24] <mattbrejza> and hte stm32 pin mappings can be annoying on small (100pin lol) devices
[12:24] <mattbrejza> i think i had to go to 144 to get external ram to work before i ditched it
[12:25] <adamgreig> yea it's a pain
[12:25] <adamgreig> if you can get online jpeg then that seems best
[12:25] <adamgreig> and you'd think you probably could
[12:26] <adamgreig> only issue i see is that jpeg wants square blocks
[12:26] <adamgreig> so you need 8 or 16 full lines in memory before you can start processing them
[12:26] <adamgreig> and so need storage for 16 or 32 full lines
[12:26] <adamgreig> but that's probably doable
[12:27] <adamgreig> you can fit like 32 2k wide lines in 128k ram
[12:27] <adamgreig> so could probably target 720p
[12:27] <adamgreig> 1280x720
[12:30] <day> why even jpg?
[12:30] <day> why not bmp?
[12:30] <adamgreig> uhm
[12:30] <adamgreig> because there's not enough ram to store a bmp?
[12:31] <day> are we talking about sdcard dumping or video streaming?
[12:31] <adamgreig> I mean, that's the whole challenge
[12:31] <adamgreig> well either
[12:31] <day> ok
[12:31] <adamgreig> saving to sdcard without compressing is a big pain
[12:31] <adamgreig> but mainly this is for transmitting images over the radio
[12:31] <day> but compression on 8bit hardware is also a pain :D
[12:31] <adamgreig> stm32s are 32 bit
[12:31] <adamgreig> clue in name etc
[12:31] <adamgreig> and run at a few hundred mhz with dsp instructions
[12:31] <adamgreig> so it should be ok
[12:32] <day> i thought you were looking for a challenge :>
[12:32] <adamgreig> haha
[12:32] <day> :p
[12:32] <adamgreig> I have plenty of other challenges to keep me busy :P
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[12:33] <edmoore> also i don;t think compressive jpeg would be particularly harder because 8-bit
[12:33] <edmoore> given the image quality we're after
[12:33] <adamgreig> mm, it's all bytes anyway
[12:33] <edmoore> it might be harder because 8-bit micros tend to also have less memory
[12:33] <adamgreig> though you can attach external ram to some avrs ;)
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[12:34] <edmoore> yes
[12:34] <adamgreig> just you should probably rethink some life choices
[12:34] <edmoore> yes
[12:34] <edmoore> i'm probably doing external ram on an stm32 for something shortly
[12:35] <edmoore> we have a lookup table that is about 1MB
[12:35] <edmoore> it's reasonably high dimensional
[12:35] <day> stm32 rainbow table cracking
[12:35] <adamgreig> 1MB would not be a very useful rainbow table
[12:36] <edmoore> nor implementing it on a 160MHz processor
[12:37] <day> the 1mb table is just to warm up
[12:37] <day> for the bruteforce stage
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[12:38] <day> if µC debuging wouldnt be such a pita, i would do more :(
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[12:39] <edmoore> anyway it's not for anything like that
[12:39] <edmoore> also i had a play with a little scheme interpreter and quickly realised you needed more than 128k to do useful things
[12:43] <Laurenceb> anyone know how to fix "Package microtype Error" in xetex?
[12:44] <Laurenceb> i dont have a clue wtf is going on
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[15:15] <Laurenceb> http://polarpower.org/static/docs/PTC_2010/2010PTC_Martin.pdf
[15:15] <Laurenceb> i spy ublox
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[15:23] <myself> neat project
[15:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Probably won't hear from B-64 again now till morning of the 19th when its due to come back over the UK, according to current Hy-Split.
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[15:28] <Laurenceb> there is Azores APRS
[15:28] <Laurenceb> tomorrow evening/Struday morning
[15:29] <fsphil> better fire up a receiver
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[15:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Your right I was zoomed out and forgot about those little dots in the Atlantic!
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[17:15] <day> different countries demand different frequencies to be used for aprs. Are all of them still being logged permanently by hobbist receiver stations?
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[17:15] <day> or could one say there are more receivers in the 400Mhz band in the UK than in the 100Mhz band?
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[17:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPIC5 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC5
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[17:24] <mfa298> day: aprs is a network used by lots of things so there's generally people on the freuency for that region. If you're using the frequency for a different region then it may not be picked up (but there's a set of legal hurdles before that's an issue)
[17:25] <day> mfa298: im not trying to do anything like that. i was just wondering because some balloons seem to travel around the world and are being tracked
[17:25] <mfa298> In the UK there will be lots of receivers for the EU aprs frequency (144.800), for balloons the receivers are generally only on when a launch is planned (as that's all that netowrk is being used for)
[17:25] <day> that either means theres one frequency that is viable on most parts of the world. or people listen to everything
[17:25] <adamgreig> or that balloons change frequency
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[17:25] <adamgreig> which is in fact what happens
[17:26] <mfa298> day: for the B-<nn> balloons they know where they are and switch to the correct frequency
[17:26] <day> right...thats a simple and efficient solution :P
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[17:27] <mfa298> for some of the US launched balloons when they havn't switched frequency people have manually listened to a different frequency for aprs traffic
[17:27] <mfa298> but that requires knowledge of a balloon potentially coming close, and finding people to listen out.
[17:28] <mfa298> For the B-<nn> balloons we also get extra data as they remember and send some data from the last 5 days.
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[17:28] <mfa298> there'll be more data when they're being activly listened for
[17:28] <mfa298> but the backlog gives a decent view of their recent past when out of range
[17:29] <day> true. i didnt think of a backlog
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[17:38] <day> i wonder, can you simply create the aprs string and printf it to the antenna output? :P
[17:38] <myself> if you have a modem in there, more or less
[17:39] <day> what means more or less?
[17:39] <myself> approximately
[17:40] <myself> but, umm.. there's no /dev/antenna :)
[17:40] <day> i meant pinX on a uC. not linux :p
[17:41] <DL7AD_mobile2> Evning
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[17:43] <mfa298> day: that will depend on the radio you use. APRS is generally AFSK - so audio tones on FM
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[17:44] <day> mfa298: as i understand it. the transmitter simply accepts 1/0 and outputs accordingly. im talking about the HX1
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[17:46] <mfa298> I think for the HX1 you'll need to generate audio tones, which I think means pwm to generate sine waves at the right audio tones
[17:47] <day> so no uart...
[17:48] <daveake> You can get a thing called a TNC to fit between micro and radio, via serial. Basically, you send it a message and it does the rest
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[17:56] <jededu> EDUPIC5 from hackvana http://i.imgur.com/LwsCCnL.jpg
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> nice!
[18:01] <jededu> thx lunar
[18:01] <myself> that's cute! Put recovery contact info right in the silk, you seem to have plenty of space. :)
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[18:02] <jededu> mmm to much space I am shrinking already :)
[18:03] <jededu> and adding solar :)
[18:10] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> I am happy
[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> the corner of my PCB with the cutdown MOSFET that seemed to have become obsolete isn't that obsolete anymore
[18:13] <craag> oh yeah?
[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:14] <craag> for the servo?
[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> attach a small battery and a heating spiral next to the transmitter to turn on in case the temperature should drop below -40° where the NTX2B starts to drift
[18:15] <craag> heh
[18:15] <craag> james is doing PID heating of the RFM crystal
[18:15] <craag> you probably want a similar approach to him, but set at -30 target or so
[18:15] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:16] <craag> https://www.ukhas.net/wiki/ideas:temp_management
[18:17] <Lunar_Lander> nice
[18:17] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[18:18] <day> do solar cells produce noticable more energy in the higher atmosphere, due to the ?higher? UV radiation?
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[18:19] <craag> the cold definitely helps solar panels
[18:19] <day> it does? o0
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[18:19] <fsphil> yea annoying that
[18:19] <day> i thought they would collect ice + higher resistance
[18:19] <fsphil> as it tends to be warmer in brighter areas
[18:20] <craag> the efficiency of the silicon is better in the cold
[18:20] <day> but silicon resistance drops with higher temperatures o0
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[18:23] <day> also why is it impossible to buy ublox gps receivers in germany, but its no problem in GB. T_T
[18:24] <craag> anthony will ship to dk i'm sure :)
[18:24] <daveake> s/dk/de/
[18:24] <craag> yep, that
[18:24] <daveake> :)
[18:25] <day> its not really an availability issue, just delivery time goes up
[18:30] <day> daveake: why is the component called a TNC and not a modem?
[18:30] <day> well a one way modem
[18:30] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Terminal Node Controller - its a bit more than a MODEM, although it has one inside as well!
[18:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_node_controller
[18:32] <day> already reading that
[18:32] <day> i just wonder why a simple uC > HX1 would require more than a simple 'one way modem'
[18:33] <day> input 1 output frequency a; input 0 output frequency b
[18:35] <Geoff-G8DHE_> For simple FSK yes, but you really need an NRZ signal, so will need to use some more complex encoding or be speed limited
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[18:38] <day> how would my example have a resting state?
[18:39] <Geoff-G8DHE_> what example is that ?
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[18:42] <day> Geoff-G8DHE_: my post from 20:33/21:33
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[18:43] <Geoff-G8DHE_> With simple RTTY protocols you have one frequency as the Mark the other as Space,
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[18:44] <Geoff-G8DHE_> A character is sent as Start bit followed by the data bits followed by possible Parity and then a Stop signal normally Space
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> also
[18:45] <Geoff-G8DHE_> this can continue for as long as needed, or better is to fill any gap with Null's or a character pattern to allow the system to keep sync
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/5/y/r/5yv80w-kg0bwj-mrtp/ScienceRocks.jpeg
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> fun with LN2, part 23 :D
[18:45] <day> Geoff-G8DHE_: i see
[18:45] <Geoff-G8DHE_> you cam alsoturn the Tx off if you want but that can casuse temperature drift problems
[18:46] <DG0MG> pay attention to the "Feuerwehrzufahrt"-Sign on the right.
[18:46] <Geoff-G8DHE_> but may be necessary depending on power budget.
[18:47] <mikestir> cor blimey. I just used an arduino for something. somebody pour me a whisky
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah DG0MG
[18:49] <craag> mikestir: as a mat for your whisky glass?
[18:49] <day> Geoff-G8DHE_: is there some written text about aprs frequency/ communication etc.? Im not understanding too many things atm
[18:50] <mikestir> craag: no. for actual electronics!
[18:50] <craag> :O
[18:50] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Wikipeidia has an entry for APRS
[18:51] <Geoff-G8DHE_> The A used to be Amateur but has now switched to Automatic as the same system but not on Amateur radio frequencies is also available
[18:51] <day> Geoff-G8DHE_: well it starts with: why do they say aprs uses frequency X. If in reality multiple frequencies are being used to encode the data? Is frequency X just the middle?
[18:52] <ulfr> it's the carrier frequency.
[18:52] <ulfr> ie center frequency where the carrier sits.
[18:52] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Different parts of the World have different transmission frequencies
[18:53] <Geoff-G8DHE_> the frequency relates to the carrier not the modulation
[18:53] <day> Geoff-G8DHE_: yes the geographical differences are understandable
[18:53] <Geoff-G8DHE_> all of the data is transmitted using Bell system (can't think of number 103 ?) which is a standard
[18:54] <Geoff-G8DHE_> they are two audio tones transmitted as frequency modulation
[18:54] <day> those are the infos im looking for. wiki is just mumblejumble in that regard
[18:55] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Bell 202
[18:56] <Geoff-G8DHE_> simple audio tones are used as they can/could be sent over existing voice transmitters with little or no modificastion
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[18:57] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Bell 202 is for 1200 Baud links and uses 1200Hz and 2200Hz
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[18:57] <Geoff-G8DHE_> so the result is Audio Frequency Shift Keying AFSK, however its a rather inefficent use of the bandwidth
[18:58] <Geoff-G8DHE_> in the UK Amateur Radio can't be used airborne, so a different mechansim was required
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[18:59] <Geoff-G8DHE_> so an ISM band is used that just happens to sit within the Amateur radio 70cms/434Mhz band
[19:00] <Geoff-G8DHE_> the simplest and reasonably efficent modulation method is FSK where you change the actual Radio Frequency itself
[19:00] <day> Geoff-G8DHE_: so the bell 202 has a carrier frequency of 1700Hz ?
[19:00] <day> or would the carrier frequency be 2200 because its the nominal state?
[19:01] <Geoff-G8DHE_> No BELL 202 uses two frequencies 1200Hz and 2200Hz these are just audio tones modulated onto a radio frequency of 144.8MHz in Europe or 144.39 (?) in USA
[19:01] <Geoff-G8DHE_> the carrier is this the 144MHz frequency
[19:01] <Geoff-G8DHE_> this/thus
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[19:02] <day> Geoff-G8DHE_: AH. i see. i thought the frequency would fluctuate much more heavily. as in 134.8Mhz - 154.8Mhz. And i was trying to understand how people pwm that :D
[19:02] <Geoff-G8DHE_> The carrier frequency is the RF signal used to carry the information moduated onto it.
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[19:03] <day> now you got me :)
[19:03] <Geoff-G8DHE_> No the change in frequency is much smaller, within the normal channel allocations
[19:03] <ulfr> usually <25kHz
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[19:03] <day> so the AX1 takes the 1200Hz doubles them to 2400Hz than modulates them onto the carrierfrequency?
[19:03] <ulfr> err, 12.5kHz for 25kHz spacing.
[19:03] <ulfr> but in reality it's much less than that.
[19:04] <Geoff-G8DHE_> No you way off here, you mean HX1 not AX1 ?
[19:04] <day> Geoff-G8DHE_: probably. maybe i mixed that letter up in my head
[19:05] <ulfr> it just takes 1200/2200hz tones and modulates the 144.800MHz with it.
[19:05] <Geoff-G8DHE_> OK go back a step
[19:05] <Geoff-G8DHE_> A radio transmission on its own starts with a single frequency the Carrier Frequency
[19:05] <day> although wiki says aprs uses bell 103
[19:06] <ulfr> day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmW4z76KgNQ
[19:06] <Geoff-G8DHE_> it is then modulated in one of a number of ways, either the Amplitude can be changes by the modulation called AM
[19:06] <Geoff-G8DHE_> or the Frequency can be changed called FM
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[19:07] <day> yes that is something i know
[19:08] <Geoff-G8DHE_> OK with FM you can either use analogue modulation wherean analague signal smoothly varies the frequency, as in a voice or possibly two audio tones as in the BELL systems
[19:08] <Geoff-G8DHE_> or the frequency can be modulated in a binary type of fashion where by the carrier is shifted by a small amount
[19:09] <Geoff-G8DHE_> for AX25 modulation as used by APRS, an analogue signal cosisting of two tones are used to modulate the carrier
[19:10] <Geoff-G8DHE_> in the system we use in the UK for RTTY we shift the carrier in binary fashion by typically 400Hz
[19:11] <Upu> evening all
[19:11] <Geoff-G8DHE_> thi is called FSK Frequercy Shift keying,
[19:11] <Upu> linked the wiki Geoff-G8DHE ?
[19:11] <Upu> it is discussed in there
[19:12] <Geoff-G8DHE_> if you need greater effeicency you can use more than one - yes several times UPU - frequency i.e. MFSK
[19:12] <Upu> ok :)
[19:12] <Upu> just get a radio
[19:12] <Upu> make a high and a low tone
[19:12] <Upu> then speed it up
[19:13] <Upu> and thats about as complex as it gets
[19:13] <Upu> Anyone interested in an FT817ND with a Digimaster ?
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[19:21] <day> they write ax.25 uses 1200baud. isnt baud interchangeable with bit here? because the signal caries only one bit anyways?
[19:22] <mattbrejza> well stuff like preamble isnt really a bit
[19:22] <day> true.
[19:29] <day> is uk something like the ham heaven? o0
[19:29] <day> this channel. radiometrix.
[19:30] <ulfr> day: bit per second
[19:31] <day> ulfr: yes of course. My bad
[19:31] <ulfr> :)
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[19:35] <mikestir> I suppose it's really only 960 bps in terms of actual throughput, because of the framing bits
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[19:35] <day> why are so many projects using the 10kb/s hx1? isnt the 3kb/s sufficient?
[19:36] <jededu> How many £ upu
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[19:36] <Upu> open to offers
[19:37] <Upu> Have the ICOM IC-R10 for sale too
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[19:39] <jededu> I already have an MVT-7100
[19:39] <SA6BSS> what you have in miund for the IC-R10?
[19:39] <jededu> But I am interested in the 817
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[19:40] <Upu> I'm open to offers SA6BSS I'd prefer it went to someone doing HAB stuff
[19:40] <Upu> its great for portable recover
[19:40] <Upu> recovery
[19:40] <Upu> I replaced the headphone socket on it so thats brand new
[19:41] <Upu> with a genuine icom part
[19:41] <mclane_> do you give up on habbing, upu?
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[19:41] <Upu> haha
[19:41] <Upu> no I have a BladeRF coming and I'm replacing the R10 with an R20
[19:41] <SA6BSS> to many radios laying around , right . :)
[19:42] <daveake> is that possible?
[19:42] <Upu> Just not used the 817 for ages
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[19:54] <day> am i missing something or is it possible to build a arps receiver with the nrx1?
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[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> I also once asked that about the NRX2 but I forgot why it does not work
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[19:56] <day> hm i dont see why it shouldnt, but it looks to good to be true :/
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[20:03] <day> do you remember the explaination why it wouldnt work? :/
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[20:07] <Upu> the Radiometrix receiver modules are designed for the European Short Range Devices (SRD) and UK Industrial / Commercial Telemetry and Telecommand market, and generally lack the sensitivity required to receive the weak signals at the balloon. This can be overcome by using more power at the transmitter on the ground.
[20:08] <Upu> however
[20:08] <Upu> licensing can of worms
[20:08] <day> Upu: i meant to use the receiver on the ground to listen to baloons
[20:08] <Upu> oh
[20:08] <daveake> on aprs?
[20:09] <day> yes
[20:09] <Upu> same deal
[20:09] <Upu> not sensitive enough
[20:09] <daveake> wrong frequency for a start
[20:09] <day> daveake: how is the freq. wrong? 144.800
[20:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03frswl_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=frswl_chase
[20:09] <day> GER not UK
[20:09] <Upu> it may work
[20:09] <daveake> Because nrx2 is 434 or 458 iirc
[20:09] <Upu> but generally you are way better off with a proper reciever
[20:10] <day> daveake: the nrx1 is available at 144.800
[20:10] <daveake> ok
[20:10] <Upu> probably not sensitive enough
[20:10] <Upu> but try it
[20:10] <daveake> nope
[20:11] <daveake> Given that a Beofeng is about the same price as an NRX2
[20:11] <daveake> and just needs a PC connected to decode APRS
[20:11] <daveake> Can't see a good reason for using an NRX2
[20:12] <day> daveake: oh i thought 'the real thing' would be far more expensive
[20:12] <daveake> nope
[20:12] <daveake> amazingly cheap those thing
[20:12] <daveake> s
[20:13] <day> which beofeng do you mean
[20:13] <Upu> UV-5R
[20:14] Nick change: heathkid|2 -> heathkid
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[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> Ariane LIVE http://www.arianespace.tv/
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[20:48] <ScottM85> hmmmmice
[20:48] <ScottM85> lol wut
[20:48] <ScottM85> meant to say "nice"
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> ah Josh is back
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[20:50] <ScottM85> how do I fast forward to the launch lol
[20:51] <lz1dev> you wait 10 minutes
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> countdown hold
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> red means not good
[20:54] <lz1dev> production value of that stream is pretty good
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah that is true
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> weather hold
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[20:59] <myself> I love how the status crawl is hidden behind the stream player bar
[20:59] <myself> it moves if I go fullscreen but only so much
[20:59] <myself> oh hey, if I move my mouse it goes away, nevermind :)
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[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> Ensemble de Lancemend red too
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> that usually means a malfunction on the pad
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[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> Intelsat status also red
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[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> launch pad green again
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[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> weather also green
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> still the intelsat problem
[21:26] <fsphil> not heard of intelsat in ages
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[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> I never saw a satellite red condition since I started to watch the webcasts
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[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> I also have no idea why the satellite status is red
[21:33] <lz1dev> maybe it got scared
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> Intelsat green
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> Launch Authorization still red
[21:35] <lz1dev> they never launch during the dat
[21:35] <lz1dev> day*
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> don't know why
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> Soyuz often launches earlier in the day
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> all green
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[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> 1:45
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> off we go
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[22:11] <lz1dev> my stream was stuck on 4:18
[22:12] <lz1dev> srsly
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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