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[07:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RA4NHY after 0313 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=RA4NHY
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[07:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RA4NHY - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=RA4NHY
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[07:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK3YT - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK3YT
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[07:58] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[08:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5NVX - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SP5NVX
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[09:28] <jededu> !flights
[09:28] <SpacenearUS> 03jededu: Current flights: 03Boilermaker 1 10(9719), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[09:29] <fsphil> hmm
[09:29] <jededu> Its very quiet
[09:29] <fsphil> at least they didn't call it Cratermaker
[09:31] <jededu> Did It fly i must have missed it
[09:31] <fsphil> !flight 9719
[09:31] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Flight 10(9719): 03Boilermaker 1 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 18:00 from 03Yuli, Bayingol, Xinjiang, China 10(40.42517,86.9116)
[09:31] <fsphil> cool, not tracking that one :)
[09:32] <fsphil> there is a possible launch in a few hours from manchester
[09:32] <jededu> Ahh ok
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[09:44] <db_g6gzh> I suspect a missing '-' in the longitude for the launch location of Boilermaker 1
[09:45] <db_g6gzh> but that doesn't help with you tracking it
[09:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !flight doge
[09:47] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[09:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !flight doge-1
[09:47] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[09:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !flight doge1
[09:48] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[09:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah the only approved doc for DOGE1 is for the 17th August which was the last failed attempt, looks like the flight doc hasn't been updated correctly ?
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[10:00] <fsphil> db_g6gzh: yes it's suppose to be in the US
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[10:01] <Upu> morning all
[10:01] <Upu> who flew Falcon yesterday and can we remove it ?
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[10:04] <PE2G> Upu: NickB flew it. Payload was found but not recovered fully. Landing in a treetop.
[10:06] <Upu> ok cool thx
[10:06] <Upu> I'll leave it on
[10:07] <PE2G> Haven seen NickB here today yet
[10:07] <PE2G> *Haven't
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[10:26] <tweetBot> @jamescoxon: About to present in lecture room 5 at @rsgb conference on #ukhas and #ukhasnet come check it out #rsgbc
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[10:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Doge1Car_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Doge1Car_chase
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[10:48] <Herman-PB0AHX> !flights
[10:48] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Current flights: 03Boilermaker 1 10(9719), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
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[10:52] <AndChat|412596> No flight doc for this flight?
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[10:53] <mfa298> I thought one had been put in on friday but it might not have been approved
[10:54] <Geoff-G8-> Just loo!ed I think the wrong one was approve!d
[10:54] <mikestir-tab> I think I can see very faint rtty on the waterfall but I'm not at home so using vnc
[10:55] <mikestir-tab> Anyone know the settings?
[10:57] <Upu> just fixed flight doc
[10:57] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !flight doge1
[10:57] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Flight 10(4dd6): 03DOGE1 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 11:00 from 03Cheshire East, UK 10(53.22189,-2.07108)
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !dial doge1
[10:58] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Latest dials for 03DOGE1 10(4dd6): none
[10:58] <Upu> 650
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !payload doge1
[10:58] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Payload 03DOGE1 10(4dd6) 03$$DOGE1 - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/240Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[10:58] <Upu> not sure why its not appearing in the hab rotate list
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Oh pain but its a way off for me, ah time it will appear after 12:00 local
[11:01] <Geoff-G8DHE_> yes its there now
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[11:02] <Upu> lovely
[11:06] <Geoff-G8-> Can watch the GP now and track :
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[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DOGE1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=DOGE1
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[12:14] <MaXimaN> DOGE1 schedule on HAB time I see
[12:15] <Geoff-G8-> I think its the first launch so not surprising!
[12:15] <mattbrejza> wow
[12:15] <mattbrejza> such timing
[12:15] <mattbrejza> amaze
[12:15] <MaXimaN> Heh
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[12:18] <mikestir-tab> their tracker seems to be working at least - I see it faintly on the waterfall
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[12:20] <Geoff-G8-> Launch site seems to be a PH on the OS map! That might explain it!
[12:20] <MaXimaN> Pothole?
[12:21] <MaXimaN> Pornhub?
[12:21] <Geoff-G8-> Public House = Pub
[12:21] <MaXimaN> Ah!
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[12:40] <Upu> they better crack on their NOTAM expires @ 1500
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[12:55] <Maxell> ai!
[12:56] <Upu> actually 1630 BST
[12:56] <Upu> so they are ok atm
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[13:07] <mikestir-tab> I don't suppose they'll want to launch that late though from the point of view of it getting dark
[13:08] <Upu> you assume they've considered this :)
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[13:11] <mfa298> that could be assuming it lands on dry land as well
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[13:13] <Herman-PB0AHX> maxell nog op de space geweest?
[13:13] <Herman-PB0AHX> ^^ PD3T
[13:15] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: pd3t did talk about getting arduino minis from the space
[13:15] <Herman-PB0AHX> PD3T here ;)
[13:15] <Herman-PB0AHX> mogge
[13:15] Nick change: Herman-PB0AHX -> PD3T_1
[13:15] <PD3T_1> mogge
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[13:17] <Maxell> lol
[13:19] <PD3T_1> did you goto revspace?
[13:20] <Maxell> PD3T_1: check pm
[13:20] <PD3T_1> sorry
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[13:29] <MaXimaN> Meanwhile...
[13:30] Nick change: PD3T_1 -> herman-PB0AHX
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[13:32] <mikestir-tab> up
[13:32] <Upu> yep
[13:33] <Upu> 860m
[13:33] <Upu> why do people transmit the units...
[13:33] <Upu> and why isn't it decoding
[13:33] <mikestir-tab> decodes for me it seems
[13:33] <Upu> oh there you go
[13:35] <Upu> did anyone say what balloon it was ?
[13:36] <Upu> ascent rate is great
[13:37] <Upu> 434.650 240 shift
[13:39] <Maxell> is dat doge1?
[13:39] <MaXimaN> Nothing on the waterfall here yet
[13:40] <Maxell> http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=*DOGE*
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[13:43] <Upu> yes
[13:46] <jededu> very weak here
[13:46] <Brian-G0HDI> On the waterfall now,,weak
[13:46] <MaXimaN> Nothing on the websdr
[13:47] <jededu> And drifting
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[13:47] <MaXimaN> Faint signal on the websdr now
[13:48] <pfy_> is it tx'ing with a constant carrier?
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[13:50] <Upu> yes
[13:50] <Upu> its quite a narrow shift
[13:50] <pfy_> ty
[13:51] <Upu> 220 currently
[13:51] <Upu> its actually a bit strong here i've had to turn the fcd amp down to 0db
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[13:53] <MaXimaN> My mistake, singal n the websdr is not doge
[13:53] <MaXimaN> signal on*
[13:55] <mikestir-tab> doesn't seem to decode that reliably given the signal strength
[13:55] <mikestir-tab> it's a bit wobbly though so maybe just that
[13:56] <Brian-G0HDI> No sig here
[13:58] <MaXimaN> Nothing here either, or on websdr
[14:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DogeVan_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=DogeVan_chase
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[14:04] <Upu> thats going to have to drive quickly
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[14:11] <MaXimaN> Still nowt here
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[14:13] <pc1pcl> Just two wobbly lines on the WF, but nothing decodable here..
[14:13] <MaXimaN> Still at 434.650?
[14:14] <MaXimaN> Okay, now we have a faint signal on the websdr, fading in an out
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[14:14] <MaXimaN> Audibly wobbly
[14:14] <Brian-G0HDI> Same here...Still .650
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[14:15] <MaXimaN> Nope, gone again
[14:15] <pc1pcl> $$DO^G^E.. at least good enough to be a red ;)
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[14:17] <g6uim> can someone tell me what frequency DOGE1 is on thank you
[14:18] <MaXimaN> 434.650
[14:19] <g6uim> thanks
[14:20] <jcoxon> hey all
[14:20] <MaXimaN> Howdy
[14:21] <Brian-G0HDI> Hi!
[14:21] <jcoxon> just got back from my brief visit to the RSGB conference
[14:21] <MaXimaN> How did it go?
[14:22] <jcoxon> yeah did a presentation which went well
[14:22] <MaXimaN> You were giving a ukhasnet presentation, right?
[14:22] <jcoxon> yeah
[14:22] <MaXimaN> cool
[14:22] <jcoxon> people seemed interested
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[14:23] <MaXimaN> Patchy signal from doge coming through on the websdr now, but impossible to decode
[14:23] <pc1pcl> Seems to be getting slightly better, still only sections coming in clear enough to decode.
[14:24] <Brian-G0HDI> Same here
[14:25] <MaXimaN> Green circle coming into range now
[14:27] <Maxell> !payload doge1
[14:27] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03DOGE1 10(4dd6) 03$$DOGE1 - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/240Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[14:27] <Maxell> hmm nothing yet
[14:28] <pc1pcl> fading in and out like someone is modulating it with a sine wave, I guess that means it might be turning round and round?
[14:28] <Maxell> pc1pcl: yep, it's spinning aorund really fast then
[14:28] <MaXimaN> Yeah, faint intermittent tramlines at home and on the websdr
[14:28] <Maxell> Thorbbing almost right?
[14:29] <pc1pcl> wow promising start.
[14:29] <herman-PB0AHX> having a difficult time decoding here too
[14:29] <herman-PB0AHX> first green
[14:30] <pc1pcl> looks a lot better for a few packets now.
[14:31] <daveake> "Bmp Altitude: -3212.7" ... not sure about that :)
[14:32] <pfy_> anybody ever have much look with the little antennas supplied with the cheap usb dongles?
[14:32] <pfy_> luck* :s
[14:32] <Maxell> herman-PB0AHX: bidi 3.3 - 5 volt converters cost 3 euro and there are about 10 or more avalible
[14:32] <MaXimaN> daveake: That's DOGE-2, tunneling beneath the ground
[14:32] <herman-PB0AHX> thnks
[14:33] <Maxell> herman-PB0AHX: ¬2,- for arduino mini clone, ¬2,50 for usb to ttl chip to program mini
[14:33] <MaXimaN> Looks like DogeVan_chase is heading for the M1
[14:33] <Maxell> afk
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[14:34] <MaXimaN> $DOGE$t9(b[[Y758b,1,5.37(9.6
[14:34] <MaXimaN> Moment of clarity there
[14:34] <herman-PB0AHX> @Maxell: how many channels?
[14:36] <mattbrejza> !dial doge1
[14:36] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Latest dials for 03DOGE1 10(4dd6): 03432.649 MHz, 434.231999 MHz, 434.649916 MHz
[14:37] <mattbrejza> cant see it on the websdr
[14:38] <Maxell> herman-PB0AHX: lemme check
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[14:39] <daveake> burst
[14:39] <Maxell> herman-PB0AHX: 4 channel, requires seperate gnd and 5v
[14:39] <daveake> just managed 30km
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[14:40] <Maxell> herman-PB0AHX: afk afk afk
[14:40] <Maxell> :D
[14:40] <pc1pcl> looks like it spins a lot slower now..
[14:40] <MaXimaN> More recognisable signal on the websdr now
[14:42] <daveake> that's a slow descent
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[14:44] <PE2G> First 2 greens. 539 km +0.1 deg
[14:45] <fsphil> very weak signal from this flight
[14:45] <Upu> its not great from here
[14:45] <Brian-G0HDI> Coming down!. Oh well that's my decoding chances gone then. Win some, lose some..
[14:45] <Upu> just wondering how accurate that prediction is
[14:46] <fsphil> I can see it on the waterfall but no hope of decoding this one
[14:46] <fsphil> and it isn't even that far away
[14:46] <MaXimaN> The signal is more stable now, but still very weak
[14:46] <Upu> it looks ok
[14:46] <Upu> it just doesn't decode that well
[14:46] <daveake> <10m/s @ >20km. Not coming down in a hurry
[14:46] <Upu> suspect ground plane isn't great on the antenna
[14:47] <MaXimaN> I guess that would explain the limited range
[14:48] <MaXimaN> Now it's spinning less I can decode - just nothing usable
[14:48] <MaXimaN> %DOGEt349,7z4x:0p$53F5006,=1.q05/6y350,)(5V29,q#4,44*Z,-2W2B
[14:48] <pc1pcl> Od<OGE1,9,14:4<:00,53.5070[,-1.10-66,212c0,9,5/39,.4.44.6Z2=.u
[14:50] <MaXimaN> Seems those with yagis have fared better
[14:52] <MaXimaN> Looks like a cross-country drive for DogeVan
[14:53] <Upu> I hear there are nice fish and chips in bridlington
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[14:53] <MaXimaN> That should keep them warm once they're on a boat
[14:54] <MaXimaN> $$DOGEc(372,14:4:29,53.5115,-1.04406,q8272,,5.32,14/,2.3,-2408j9:6BCC
[14:54] <MaXimaN> Closest one yet
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[14:57] <herman-PB0AHX> 4 lines decoded
[14:57] <herman-PB0AHX> thats all today
[14:58] <MaXimaN> Close, but no coconut for me
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[14:59] <MaXimaN> Even if the antenna might not have been up to scratch, that parachute is impressive
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[15:01] <daveake> Latex-assisted, and I think that's broken now
[15:02] <Upu> yeah looks more promising
[15:02] <MaXimaN> Ah, latex drogue? :)
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[15:08] <fsphil> signal's gon ehere
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[15:12] <chrisstubbs> !dial DOGE1
[15:12] <SpacenearUS> 03chrisstubbs: Latest dials for 03DOGE1 10(4dd6): 03144.7 MHz, 434.22835 MHz, 434.649415 MHz, 432.649 MHz, 434.6484 MHz
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[15:18] <MaXimaN> Looks like it is going to dodge the Humber
[15:19] <mikestir> barely!
[15:19] <mikestir> that would be rotten luck - dodging the north sea only to land in the humber
[15:19] <daveake> Descent rate accelerated again. Strange-looking curve
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[15:27] <MaXimaN> DogeVan making good progress on the M18 now
[15:29] <MaXimaN> But it is going to be dark by the time they get there
[15:30] <MaXimaN> Really awkward place to recover from if the predictor is on the money :/
[15:30] <mikestir> yeah I suspect that will be inaccessible marshland
[15:31] <MaXimaN> Across train tracks with no nearby road
[15:31] <mattbrejza> well itll land a bit short due to the predictor not knowing ground level
[15:31] <mikestir> 0
[15:31] <MaXimaN> That's true
[15:31] <MaXimaN> Hopefully it can received down close to the ground
[15:31] <MaXimaN> +be
[15:31] <SA6BSS> close to the railway
[15:32] <MaXimaN> 6m/s horizontal speed
[15:33] <Upu> gone
[15:33] <mikestir> nearest spot height on a landranger is 4m
[15:33] <mikestir> marked as marsh
[15:33] <Upu> no wait
[15:33] <mikestir> I guess the predictor will be pretty close
[15:33] <Upu> $$DOGE1,512,15:33:13,53.73126,-0.60836,133,9,5.27,O_, 0f
[15:33] <Upu> 133 m
[15:33] <Upu> let me see if I can fix that up
[15:34] <Upu> did you get any more of that last one kpiman ?
[15:34] <mattbrejza> so it looks tidal up to the brown area?
[15:34] <MaXimaN> Indeed it is
[15:35] <daveake> coming up to high tide
[15:35] <Upu> last position fixed and uploaded
[15:35] <kpiman> Sorry, have no more than you have there.
[15:36] <mattbrejza> the OS map marks high tide
[15:36] <Upu> yeah thats close
[15:36] <mattbrejza> at 133m it was jsut above a footpath
[15:36] <Upu> oh well now we wait
[15:36] <MaXimaN> Approx 30M forward radius from there
[15:37] <Geoff-G8DHE_> That could be a mucky landing!
[15:37] <MaXimaN> It's okay, the HUmber has pristine blue crystal clear waters
[15:37] <daveake> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/coast_and_sea/tide_tables/3/176#tide-details
[15:37] <MaXimaN> It's not called the "Majorca of the North" for nothing
[15:37] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yer right, thats why the OS Map shows it light blue like the Sky!
[15:38] <MaXimaN> Exactly
[15:38] <MaXimaN> Oooh... looks like they might just time it right for low tide
[15:38] <mattbrejza> currently right at low tide
[15:38] <MaXimaN> Still, they have to get there
[15:38] <daveake> yep they need to get a move on
[15:38] <MaXimaN> Oh yes, you're right - so coming in now
[15:39] <MaXimaN> Looks like they may be breaking a few speed limits
[15:40] <daveake> That never happens on a chase
[15:40] <daveake> Not on mine anyway :/
[15:40] <MaXimaN> Of course, and if it did it's well within the limits of GPS inaccuracy
[15:40] <MaXimaN> *cough*
[15:41] <qyx_> hm, there is a road along the railway
[15:42] <mattbrejza> will be 30-45min it seems for hte van
[15:42] <MaXimaN> I don't see one?
[15:42] <mattbrejza> OS map says footpath
[15:42] <qyx_> it seems to me like.. uhm, how is it called
[15:42] <qyx_> wait
[15:43] <qyx_> like water barrier or something like that
[15:43] <qyx_> ant there is a footpath/road on top of it
[15:43] <qyx_> it starts near brough
[15:44] <qyx_> humber yawl club or whatever
[15:44] <MaXimaN> Their options are limited. I expect they'd have to knock on the door of Crabley Farm and go for a walk from there
[15:45] <MaXimaN> I hope they brought torches. And life vests.
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[15:46] <Geoff-G8DHE_> View along the railway line looking away from the station http://goo.gl/maps/TauQB
[15:47] <MaXimaN> The tide will rise 1.2M by the time they get there
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[15:47] <MaXimaN> Hmmm
[15:48] <MaXimaN> Looking at the line of boats at Ellerker Haven looks like the time comes up pretty damn high
[15:48] <MaXimaN> tide*
[15:48] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Hope they brought there welly boots with them
[15:49] <mikestir> the os map says it comes up to around the predicted landing spot
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[15:50] <MaXimaN> DogeVan bombing it up the M62 now. They're making good time.
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[16:02] <mikestir> they're fairly shifting
[16:02] <MaXimaN> Looks like they are not going to approach it from the Brough end
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[16:08] <gonzo__> have they not niticed the track?
[16:08] <gonzo__> ah, they are going via the vilage
[16:09] <MaXimaN> Knocking on the door of the farm I suspect
[16:10] <MaXimaN> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/53%C2%B043'52.5%22N+0%C2%B036'30.1%22W/@53.7349956,-0.6312935,3a,33.7y,139.01h,89.14t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s-gTGKDWzD1L-7E4IwAAJWw!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0
[16:10] <Lunar_Lander> Knock Knock Knocking on the Farm's Door, hey, hey, heyheyhey
[16:10] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[16:10] <MaXimaN> Old-style manual railway crossing
[16:10] <MaXimaN> Cute
[16:11] <qyx_> uff those roads
[16:11] <gonzo__> suslect it's automatoic now
[16:12] <MaXimaN> qyx_: "roads"
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[16:13] <Lunar_Lander> it could be that it was converted from Manual to UWC given the rural setting
[16:13] <Lunar_Lander> means that people have to move the gates themselves
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[16:14] <MaXimaN> Looks like they might have parked up at the house for a chat
[16:15] <qyx_> lets chat about balloons
[16:15] <MaXimaN> "have you seen anything fall out of the sky recently?"
[16:15] <Lunar_Lander> "You mean a Skyfall?"
[16:16] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[16:16] <gonzo__> if that level crossing only covers the farm. it's poss that it's still manual controled by the farm?
[16:16] <gonzo__> so they may npot be ble to get across without help
[16:17] <mattbrejza> no new positions from doge though
[16:18] <MaXimaN> They should get a move on while there is still a little bit of light
[16:19] <gonzo__> Crossing Type Public Highway: Manned Gates
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[16:20] <mattbrejza> the walk is about the same from the other side
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[16:22] <qyx_> they are chatting too long
[16:23] <qyx_> are the reailways fenced in england?
[16:23] <gonzo__> IT MAY TAKE A WHILE TO GET THE GATES OPEN
[16:23] <gonzo__> shhh
[16:23] <gonzo__> mostly fenced
[16:23] <mattbrejza> well there havnt been any position updates so they might be on foot now
[16:25] <Geoff-G8DHE_> There parked here http://goo.gl/maps/aDjYa
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[16:26] <MaXimaN> Yep
[16:27] <MaXimaN> Let's hope they just took off on foot
[16:27] <MaXimaN> Quite a hike though
[16:27] <Upu> Mcr Space Programme @mcrspaceprog
[16:27] <Upu> Doge1 Chase vehicle has arrived in the vicinity
[16:27] <Upu> 5 mins ago
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[16:28] <gonzo__> Yep, it looks like ypou can get across on foot, via a separate small gate
[16:29] <Rebounder> about 1 km to walk?
[16:29] <qyx_> not much, 15min
[16:32] <MaXimaN> Upu: Is there a stick-man human _chase for SNUS? :)
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[16:45] <MaXimaN> Mcr Space Programme @mcrspaceprog 11s11 seconds ago
[16:45] <MaXimaN> We have it. #doge1 has returne
[16:45] <MaXimaN> Nice!
[16:45] <Lunar_Lander> well done
[16:46] <MaXimaN> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzwsmL3IUAA2wTG.jpg:large
[16:46] <pfysmate> Upu: which antenna were you using to pick up DOGE1?
[16:47] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Object Movie of DOGE1 flight http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/DOGE1_20141012/DOGE1_20141012.html and Flight path KML http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/DOGE1_20141012/index.php?ind=3
[16:47] <Upu> pfysmate large yagi
[16:47] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/HAM/Rotator/IMG_0796.JPG
[16:47] <Upu> ah yes look at the balloon it came back with
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[16:50] <Lunar_Lander> very nice
[16:51] <fsphil> woo, recovery
[16:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPIC4 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC4
[17:00] <mikestir> are we having an edupic tonight?
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[17:32] <jededu> No not tonight new boards are on the way from hackvana
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[17:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RA4NHY after 0310 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=RA4NHY
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[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane_
[18:59] <mclane_> Hi Lunar Lander
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[19:08] <mclane_> fine and yourself?
[19:08] <Lunar_Lander> same here, thanks
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> just racing a truck to London xD
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> (playing Euro Truck 2)
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> and thinking about Flight 2 which I am still sad I did not have much time to discuss it with you
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> you said you had a question and I didn't notice
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> sorry for that
[19:10] <mclane_> I was just curious about your planned flight
[19:12] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlv672jqbtE (sorry)
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> we will try out some new technologies
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:15] <fsphil> no straw this time :)
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> a cloud detector, a new cutdown and sensor ventilation
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[19:15] <fsphil> radar!
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> radar
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> would need high power xD
[19:16] <daveake> river detector?
[19:16] <fsphil> sadly yea
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> hm river detector
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> good idea
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> maybe also video this time
[19:22] <mclane_> raspi?
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> ah no, atmega
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> I mean flying a camera
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> like the 808 in a box below the main payload
[19:26] <mclane_> 808 -> be careful
[19:26] <mclane_> disturbs GPS!
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> yea thus the extra box and several m to the payload
[19:30] <fsphil> older gopro's are pretty cheap now
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[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> good idea fsphil
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> brb
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[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> back
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[19:36] <mikestir> <Lunar_Lander> like the 808 in a box below the main payload <-- for a moment there I thought you were flying a drum machine :)
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[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> :) why is that?
[19:37] <mikestir> pft
[19:37] <mikestir> roland tr808?
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> ah xD
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> sorry, didn't know that one
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[20:23] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zDo7hkmCNY alternate grasscutting
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[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> nice!
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[20:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-5 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=WB8ELK-5
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[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> ah it's gotten quiet
[21:11] <fsphil> sunday night
[21:11] <fsphil> all is quite
[21:12] <fsphil> not even a B
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[21:16] <daveake> The payloads were hung by the chimney with care
[21:20] Nick change: gonzo__ -> gonzo_
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:20] <gonzo_> did the doge get recovered?
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:22] <gonzo_> they were lucky, so close to the railway and if it went on the mud flats there, they would have difficulty gettig out to it
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> true
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> we actually had a short talk about the car standing at the level crossing and why it took so long for them to walk up to the landing site :)
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> read: We wondered why the car took so long and if that was correlated to the LC
[21:25] <Laurenceb_> B-64 might be in range of Alaska in a few hours according to latest hysplit
[21:25] <SpeedEvil> Or the west coast in a bit more
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[21:25] <gonzo_> did they leave the car and go over the track on foot?
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> I think so
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> at least someone asked if spacenear has a pedestrian symbol, that is why I assume they walked
[21:28] <gonzo_> there could ba a symbol for people using the chase car app on their phone? Selectable by the chaser? Not sure how porrible that woulkd be
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> I think not that difficult
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> we once had a plane symbol
[21:32] <daveake> and Superman
[21:32] <daveake> and a raspberry
[21:32] <DL7AD> good evening
[21:32] <fsphil> and a rob
[21:32] <daveake> ha\ha
[21:33] <gonzo_> how do you select the icons for each tracker/payload?
[21:33] <daveake> I just ask an Upu
[21:33] <mfa298> I think the non standard symbols have been manually done server side but I suspect it's not massive changes to make it doable via an app (at least for a set of pre-defined symbols)
[21:33] <gonzo_> wonder if it could be automated? Parse the name for _car or similar
[21:34] <mfa298> I think the car icons are mostly based on _chase being in the name
[21:34] <gonzo_> then could all be done in the snus
[21:36] <fsphil> take an example from aprs, have some obscure letter or character represent each icon
[21:37] <craag> gonzo_: https://github.com/philcrump/spacenearer/blob/master/src/index.html#L807
[21:38] <mfa298> fsphil: or make it part of the flightdoc / uploaded data (for chase apps)
[21:39] <fsphil> thought about them uploading the image, base64 encoded
[21:39] <fsphil> but then who knows what people would upload
[21:40] <gonzo_> OK, so extra icons could be added pretty easilly
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[21:40] <mfa298> I'd probably got for a few pre-defined images (that can have new items added)
[21:40] <gonzo_> just add them on request
[21:41] <gonzo_> a portable and car chase could be interesting. When you take your phone off wandering. Would add ammusemswnt to the event
[21:41] <mfa298> (which is what we've already done on #ukhasnet - although we probably ought to have a few other icons - car, bouy etc)
[21:41] <gonzo_> a beer glass and pack of fish n chips
[21:42] <mfa298> do we need time based icons for the chaser (bacon, helium bottle, car, pedestrian, fish n chips / beer glass)
[21:44] <daveake> angry farmer
[21:45] <daveake> And "apprehended by traffic car whilst wandering down the hard shoulder of the M5" <sigh>
[21:45] <craag> haha
[21:46] <gonzo_> a womble icon!
[21:46] <daveake> I think the womble rage-quit
[21:46] <gonzo_> hehe
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[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> dave, I just remember something
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> didn't you once post a photo of some guy's sign in the woods saying something like that this is his ground and everyone else should go away or something like that?
[21:52] <daveake> oh yeah, near the landing spot of the scout's flight
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[21:53] <daveake> Fortunatelt it landed elsewhere
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> yea :D
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> wonder who lived there
[21:53] <daveake> Drove right up to ut
[21:53] <daveake> it
[21:53] <daveake> dunno
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[22:12] <harvy> If anyone is here who tracked doge1, Thanks!!!
[22:13] <fsphil> all good?
[22:13] <harvy> I was naive enough to think I could've tracked it from a van with a store bought yagi but no.
[22:14] <harvy> fsphil, Yeah clean lift off and crazy decent sppeds but that meant it avoided the humber sea.
[22:15] <harvy> fsphil, it was found by sight in a marsh on a public path.
[22:15] <daveake> The descent was strange. It's happened before, where the balloon forms a chute for a while.
[22:16] <daveake> then the latex breaks and the payload accelerates. On your flight that happened twice (see the descent curve)
[22:16] <mfa298> if it's a store bought yagi for the right band then it should work (assuming you have line of sight). Or was the issue using the Yagi in a moving van ?
[22:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> harvy,, Object Movie of the flight http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/DOGE1_20141012/DOGE1_20141012.html
[22:16] <craag> struggled to track from the van? just a magmount antenna is usually sufficient
[22:18] <harvy> mfa298, it was probably more of using the yagi in a van.
[22:18] <harvy> craag, no magmount at the moment but will definately look it for next time.
[22:19] <mfa298> if the yagi was inside the van then it's going to struggle (faraday cage effect from the van)
[22:19] <mfa298> magmount on top should be fine whilst moving, use the Yagi when you get close to the landing site to help direction find
[22:19] <craag> harvy: Look for a ham radio 70cm magmount antenna with 3 or 5 dbi of specified gain
[22:20] <craag> those are what most of us use on the move
[22:20] <harvy> daveake, when we found the balloon most of it was intact but in two pieces one was just a smooth piece and the other was just shredded
[22:20] <daveake> yeah I saw a pic earlier
[22:20] <mfa298> harvy: look up the watson wsm-270 should be around £15 from cpc
[22:20] <daveake> Sometimes you get a clean break; sometimes you get more than half the balloon come down with the payload
[22:20] <harvy> mfa298, I did try and use the yagi outside of the van while moving but still nothing.
[22:22] <fsphil> harvy: signal was a bit weak
[22:22] <harvy> We also have video of the payload hitting the found and then facing up as the parachute just hits the deck. It could be worth anaylising to see what was happening to it.
[22:22] <mfa298> harvy: yagi antennas are directional so unless you're pointing it at the balloon (probably difficult from a moving van) it probably wont do too well
[22:23] <harvy> mfa298, I was trying to sweep in the general direction but with the windy roads of the peaks it was probably not going to happen.
[22:24] <harvy> fsphil, we used a helixical antenna with a ntx2. I'm not sure how we would boost the strength on that.
[22:24] <craag> helixical?
[22:24] <craag> one of the stubby bendy ones?
[22:25] <mikestir> like a rubber duck?
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[22:25] <mfa298> I suspect the only sensible way to use a yagi is from a stopped location (not a moving van)
[22:25] <harvy> More like a short stub with wired looped around it.
[22:25] <mikestir> did you have any ground plane?
[22:25] <harvy> I think it was 24 turns for 434
[22:25] <craag> ah
[22:26] <daveake> 1/4 wave with ground plane would have worked a lot better
[22:26] <craag> go for a simple straight wire 1/4 wave next time
[22:26] <harvy> mikestir, no ground plane.
[22:26] <craag> proven and efficient
[22:26] <craag> (with ground plane)
[22:27] <harvy> craag, we did try that along with some other from the ntx2 datasheet but we couldn't get our to work properly. I think there was short in the antenna somewhere.
[22:27] <craag> ok
[22:27] <harvy> craag, so tried some others and coiled was good.
[22:27] <craag> There are some guides around (maybe on the wiki)
[22:27] <harvy> Will definately try other ones for the future.
[22:27] <mikestir> how did you evaluate "good"?
[22:27] <craag> !wiki antenna
[22:27] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Wiki page 03payloadantenna (guides) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payloadantenna
[22:27] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Wiki page 03rc_antenna_cutdown (ideas) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/ideas:rc_antenna_cutdown
[22:27] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Wiki page 03antenna (projects:earthshine) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:earthshine:antenna
[22:28] <craag> There you go, top link
[22:28] <harvy> mikestir, we used a spectrum analyser adn dropped the voltage to imitate distance.
[22:29] <mikestir> with a fixed reference antenna on the analyser?
[22:29] <harvy> craag, we used the guide but we just didn't make it properly.
[22:29] <craag> ok. Well done on your flight though!
[22:29] <mikestir> yeah you should have seen more gain with a 1/4 wave than with a little stubby helical
[22:29] <harvy> mikestir, we used a single wire for reference
[22:30] <mfa298> spectrum analyzer is probably a bit over effiecient for testing how good an antenna is. Get the payload running in a decent location and do some range tests
[22:30] <mikestir> the problem with that is you have little control over polarisation, and presumably you were doing it indoors as well?
[22:30] <craag> range tests between hills are the best way
[22:31] <craag> properly simulate conditions in flight
[22:31] <mikestir> anyway, I could just about hear you from the ground
[22:31] <mikestir> nowhere near decodable, but visible on the waterfall
[22:35] <harvy> mikestir, yes we did both indoor and outdoor testing but when we adjusted voltage it was done indoors.
[22:36] <mfa298> harvy: what transmitter did you use ?
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[22:36] <mikestir> I think you might find a helical is more sensitive to cross-polarised signals than a vertical, especially if you're using it without a ground-plane, in which case the feeder would be getting involved. This probably gave you the illusion that it was working better.
[22:36] <harvy> mfa298, we used a ntx2b
[22:36] <fsphil> still strong enough to track which is the main thing
[22:38] <mfa298> varying the voltage may not have had much effect then. I believe there's an internal regulator so unless you take the voltage very low there would be no impact (and dropping the voltage that low may affect it in other ways rather than dropping the power)
[22:38] <harvy> mfa298, that's what we did. We found the lowest threshold before we couldn't get anything and adjusted the range.
[22:39] <harvy> mfa298, we were just controlling the radio voltage seperatly to the rest of the electronics.
[22:40] <daveake> Yes the NTX2B has its own regulator
[22:40] <mfa298> if you look at the ntx2b datasheet I think you'll find there's an internal regulator so internally it runs at around 2v. So whatever the voltage is (above 2v) it wont have any difference on what happens internally (so no change on power level)
[22:41] <daveake> And yes if the voltage supplied to it drops below 2.8V (iirc), it'll stop altogether
[22:41] <mikestir> harvy: if you have access to a spectrum analyser do you also have access to an rf signal generator?
[22:41] <daveake> Unlike the non-B it has a procvessor, so low voltages risk locking that up
[22:41] <mfa298> and if you take the radio voltage below the limit it'll either not work or the modulation might got whacky (but it may not impact the power output)
[22:41] <harvy> We maanged to get the signal to drop off at a certain voltage and distance.
[22:42] <adamgreig> think the datasheet actually says when the power drops below the internal regulator voltage the output radio power will diminish
[22:42] <harvy> mikestir, no access to an rf generator at the moment.
[22:42] <adamgreig> to wit, The unit will operate (with marginally reduced specifications and lower (6-8mW) output power) from
[22:42] <adamgreig> a 2.9  3.0V rail.
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[22:42] <adamgreig> (2.9 - 15V is the nominal input range)
[22:43] <mfa298> still range testing outside over a decent distance (where you can get LOS) is likely to be the best test.
[22:44] <harvy> mfa298, Yep I still agree as close to the real conditions is preferable.
[22:44] <harvy> Anyway Manchester Space Programme thanks you for all your help. It's been a long day, so I'm off to bed.
[22:44] <adamgreig> a fixed or variable attenuator and indoor with actual test kit probably better
[22:44] <adamgreig> good work harvy, good night
[22:45] <mfa298> doesn't need any extra expensive equipment and gives confidence in the payload if you can do a decent range test (distance of 1km+)
[22:45] <harvy> If you want you guys can carry on the discussion and I'll look at zeusbot later on.
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[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> good night everyone
[22:55] <fsphil> nite ll
[22:56] <daveake> nnll
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