highaltitude.log.20141010

[00:02] <ulfr> heh
[00:02] <ulfr> we're not all on uk timezone.
[00:02] <ulfr> Oh wait, I'm actually on uk timezone.
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[01:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ae7ys_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=ae7ys_chase
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[01:44] <Paulo_BUE> ok... i have a red light of warn on my PITS
[01:44] <Paulo_BUE> i m using a micro-usb adpter
[01:45] <Paulo_BUE> of 5V and 1mA
[01:45] <Paulo_BUE> why? :S
[01:45] <myself> 1mA? I think not...
[01:47] <Paulo_BUE> myself: 1A
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[01:47] <Paulo_BUE> sorry
[01:49] <myself> okay, pits means http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/
[01:50] <Paulo_BUE> exactly i ll keep on searching there...
[01:50] <myself> somewhere I presume there's a schematic that'll tell us what the red light means
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[01:51] <myself> but, let's cover the obvious first: have you tried changing power sources, changing cables, measuring the voltages, etc?
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[01:53] <Paulo_BUE> mmm i trust on the adapter
[01:54] <Paulo_BUE> it s used for my cell phone
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[02:00] <ulfr> But is it good?
[02:00] <ulfr> Never trust any electronic device.
[02:00] <ulfr> They'll betray you at the first chance to do so.
[02:00] <Paulo_BUE> mmm well my voltimeter says 950mA and 5V
[02:01] <Paulo_BUE> it says to be from samsung---
[02:02] <Paulo_BUE> it s the first time i connect the PITS
[02:02] <ulfr> Hm.
[02:02] <ulfr> Does the pi it self work fine?
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[02:02] <Paulo_BUE> yes i ve just used it
[02:03] <ulfr> ok
[02:04] <ulfr> And you have the specific PITS image on the card?
[02:05] <ulfr> Aaaand as with any other stuff that seems to be out there there is little as none debugging information. How rude.
[02:07] Nick change: lz1dev_ -> lz1dev
[02:08] <Paulo_BUE> you wanna a picture of my pi?
[02:08] <ulfr> I don't think it'll help
[02:09] <lz1dev> risky question to answer
[02:09] <ulfr> Quite.
[02:09] <ulfr> Unless you're a girl... ;) </sexist>
[02:10] <Paulo_BUE> jajjaja
[02:10] <ulfr> Anyway, the pi boots with the daughterboard attached?
[02:10] <ulfr> and you can log into it etc..
[02:10] <Paulo_BUE> yes via vnc
[02:10] <ulfr> ...
[02:11] <Paulo_BUE> you recommend ssh?
[02:11] <ulfr> I'd deal with it that way, yes.
[02:12] <ulfr> What kind of ancient monsters are those guys who designed pits... using vi and whatnot, oh well.
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[02:14] <ulfr> I'd recomend sshing into that thing, 'sudo apt-get vim' and work from there. Edit the /boot/pisky.txt to your use
[02:14] <Paulo_BUE> mmm and switching my pi on won t make any harm to my pits if it s on warn?
[02:15] <ulfr> I have no idea, what does pits warn mean?
[02:15] Action: ulfr is not an expert on pits, actually just learnt about it 10 minutes ago
[02:15] <Paulo_BUE> ok i m newbie
[02:15] <Paulo_BUE> jaja...
[02:16] <ulfr> it seems to have very limited initiate settings, so I suggest looking into that and work it from there.
[02:17] <kf7fer> Paulo_BUE: Stupid question but did you follow the installation instructions at http://www.daveakerman.com/?page_id=1569 ?
[02:18] <ulfr> That's very smart, perhaps the guys at PITS should learn a bit from him.
[02:18] <kf7fer> Under testing it says "You should see the red WARN light come on... will stay on until the GPS receives lock"
[02:19] <Paulo_BUE> kf7fer: :D
[02:20] <Paulo_BUE> jeje... sorry i don t want to burn it
[02:20] <Paulo_BUE> thanks!
[02:20] <kf7fer> No problem - I understand totally. Glad to help
[02:22] <kf7fer> Good luck! Worst case you'll get great support here you just need to hit a more UK-friendly time zone
[02:22] <ulfr> well, I have to go to bed, being on gmt and school in T-6 hours.
[02:23] <Paulo_BUE> ulfr: good luck thanks and have a nice Friday!
[02:24] <ulfr> you too, hope you'll figure this stuff out.
[02:24] <Paulo_BUE> thanks!
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[03:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VK2HAB-11 after 0315 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK2HAB-11
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[03:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK2HAB-12 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK2HAB-12
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[06:37] <Haxxa> Can anyone explain why you couldn't launch a rocket from a ballon into space? Does it not pose an advanatage?
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[06:42] <Haxxa> Also whats the cost assoiated with sending a balloon into altitude
[06:42] <Haxxa> If i was on the cheap how much would it cost?
[06:42] <Haxxa> *it
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[07:54] <WillDWork> hey laurenceb_ did you get your rogallo setup stearing to a set destination? or was it just to go straight?
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[09:31] <SpeedEvil> WillDWork: it was meant to steer back to the origin
[09:32] <SpeedEvil> but it failed before it could really attempt it with a mechanical isssue
[09:32] <SpeedEvil> And he hasn't reflown
[09:40] <WillDWork> I see - was a little awhile ago. Cheers
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[11:09] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[11:09] <fsphil> yo
[11:09] <daveake> lo
[11:10] <fsphil> mo
[11:13] <x-f> so
[11:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> go
[11:20] <fsphil> 64
[11:35] <Geoff-G8DHE_> 42
[11:37] <daveake> 20
[11:40] <gonzo_> mo-fo
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti now you will all be stuck with the tune in your head for the rest of the day :->
[11:53] <fsphil> better than the mario tune theme
[11:53] <fsphil> ah crap
[11:53] <daveake> or It's A Small Small World
[11:55] <gonzo_> I've that the cartoon Mr Men theme going all day. Not sure that is better
[12:00] <nats`> Tetris song time
[12:01] <fsphil> noooo
[12:01] <nats`> the more resilient of all !
[12:01] <nats`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN8Cq5HEBug
[12:04] <nats`> fsphil I just remembered a better one !
[12:05] <nats`> Tetrinet !
[12:05] <nats`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9u3z3dDoX0
[12:05] <nats`> this music....
[12:05] <nats`> pure heargasm !
[12:05] <mattbrejza> 'from russia with fun'
[12:06] Action: nats` needs to find a tetrinet server and play all night !
[12:12] <UpuWork> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-29568533
[12:13] <UpuWork> habbers causing world wars again
[12:13] <mattbrejza> no parts shipped to korea recently?
[12:16] <mattbrejza> i wonder if they use the predictor
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[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> Hi Yall, interesting statement from OFCOM.. We do not see
[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> that there is a case for making an additional frequency available for
[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> 3.44
[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> aero
[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> nautical sporting use. Allocating spectrum in response to the illegal use of
[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> frequencies does not represent the efficient management of the radio spectrum.
[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> Moreover, it could be
[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> seen to be condoning unlawful activity.
[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> Channels have
[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> already been set aside f
[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> Channels have
[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> already been set aside f
[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> or Aeronautical sports use nationwide
[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> 12
[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> , including a
[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> channel for hang gliders (129.900 MHz). We also note that, at present,
[12:40] <iain_g4sgx> aeronautical use is not actively prohibited under our Business Radio licences.
[12:41] <iain_g4sgx> Sorry for errors. Business Radio liceneces ?
[12:41] <fsphil> like PMR but needs a cheap license
[12:41] <SpeedEvil> Statement regarding what?
[12:42] <iain_g4sgx> source here: http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/consultations/vhf-143-169mhz/statement/VHF_Release_statement.pdf
[12:42] <Darkside> those licnces would probably have mode restrictions too
[12:42] <Darkside> i.e. AM voice only
[12:42] <Darkside> well, on airband
[12:43] <UpuWork> yes they use the predictor mattbrejza
[12:44] <iain_g4sgx> Was a response to a request for dedicated aeronautical channel. No use if its voice only licence though.
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> ah
[12:44] <fsphil> 146-147 given to amateurs, only temporary though
[12:44] <iain_g4sgx> Need an NOV
[12:45] <Darkside> oh yeah you guys only hav 144-146
[12:51] <gonzo_> it will be restricted to new technologies. Niot just fm ragchewing
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> There are some interesting looking open digital modes
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> http://freedv.org/tiki-index.php say
[12:52] <gonzo_> a thought on the business radio liocence not precluding airborne. What's to stop ukhas putting the hat around and getting a channel allocation
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[12:53] <SpeedEvil> err - no
[12:53] <fsphil> ukhas doesn't exist
[12:53] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codec2 I meant
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[12:53] <fsphil> but assuming the license doesn't say voice-only, that would be quite neat
[12:53] <SpeedEvil> It might exist enough to buy a cheap licence
[12:53] <fsphil> true
[12:53] <SpeedEvil> I suspect the licence wouldn't be that cheap though
[12:54] <gonzo_> that was why I said put the hat around
[12:54] <fsphil> if it's FM only we can still do an APRS-style mode
[12:54] <fsphil> only not APRS
[12:54] <gonzo_> regional licence is £75 for 2x 12.5khz channels pair
[12:54] <mattbrejza> lora is FM right? :P
[12:54] <fsphil> hah
[12:54] <fsphil> so is rtty ...
[12:54] <gonzo_> they are going more tech neutral these days
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> Codec2 is interesting in that it supports voice and data
[12:55] <fsphil> for vhf opus might be better
[12:55] <fsphil> much higher sound quality
[12:55] <gonzo_> so you can use the cahn as a single 12.5, or twp 6.25 fm chans or ofdm if you want
[12:55] <gonzo_> then we can fly car batts and FT101's
[12:56] <fsphil> not sure you can get a nationwide business radio license
[12:56] <fsphil> and certainly not international :)
[12:57] <gonzo_> national is doable, international prob not
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> 'First, conquer poland'
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[13:03] <gonzo_> also, they define the coverage of the channel (geographicly) by the height and power of the base station. No mention of the mobiles
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[13:04] <gonzo_> so if you ask for a 5W base on your shed, it's minimal coverage. If the mobiles just happen to be 'out of area.....'
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[13:05] <SpeedEvil> Is there any restriction on altitude of the mobiles?
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> Oh - right - I see
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> 45km, 1W, somewhere over basildon
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[13:06] <gonzo_> I recon it's just not been considered. And as they said in their consuntation doc that business licence does not preclude airborne....
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> yeah - 'does not preclude' and 'we will grant' does not mean the same alas
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> In principle, you can drive driverless cars today without your hands on the wheel.
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[13:08] <gonzo_> register a minimal base station, in a sparsely populated area and it's £70 for 26khz
[13:08] <gonzo_> 25
[13:08] <Laurenceb> has anyone here used si446x series transceivers with their own matching network?
[13:08] <SpeedEvil> Is there an online calculator?
[13:08] <Laurenceb> i cant find one
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[13:09] <SpeedEvil> ^go
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[13:12] <Laurenceb> aha http://www.silabs.com/support%20documents/technicaldocs/AN627.pdf
[13:13] <Laurenceb> 16dBm isnt bad
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[13:23] <Laurenceb> <SpeedEvil> In principle, you can drive driverless cars today without your hands on the wheel.
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[13:23] <Laurenceb> what driverless car
[13:23] <Laurenceb> Musk is exaggerating as usual
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: well - I was neglecting the nonexistance.
[13:23] <Laurenceb> id like to see how well sonar works in the real world...
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> I was meaning the current law is 'driving without due care and attention'
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: ask a bat.
[13:23] <Laurenceb> yeah
[13:23] <Laurenceb> heh
[13:24] <SpeedEvil> And that could be 'reading a newspaper' - in an appropriate car
[13:24] <Laurenceb> well once you have 100 cars in one place its going to get hard
[13:24] <SpeedEvil> Or easier - if they communicate properly
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[13:32] <gonzo_> it's all down to liability and the law being well behind the technology as usual
[13:34] <Laurenceb> http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/10/10/troll_study_sharpened.jpg
[13:34] <Laurenceb> lolld
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[15:10] <SpeedEvil> Anyone up on prop theory, and have some decent resources?
[15:11] <SpeedEvil> For example - if I want a prop with a 25m/s exhaust velocity, I can either have the outer bits of the blade going round at ~50m/s,and a sharp pitch, or ~300m/s with a flat one
[15:11] Action: SpeedEvil needs to work out an actual question
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[15:40] Action: myself paints some fake trees and stands them on SpeedEvil's stage
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[16:43] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:49] Nick change: davo- -> davo
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[16:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03caucasia_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=caucasia_chase
[16:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03medellin antioquia_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=medellin%20antioquia_chase
[16:59] <lz1dev> i wish for whicheever app allows for a blank space would just fix that
[16:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 033192311400_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=3192311400_chase
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[17:03] Action: chrisstubbs rolls the tumbleweed
[17:04] <chrisstubbs> Evening Lunar_Lander
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[17:04] Action: lz1dev rolls the tumbleweed back
[17:04] <lz1dev> tumbleweed pong
[17:05] <Lunar_Lander> hi chrisstubbs
[17:05] <chrisstubbs> heh
[17:05] <chrisstubbs> Whats going on?
[17:06] <Lunar_Lander> ah I am good, thanks and you?
[17:07] <chrisstubbs> Yeah not bad thanks, been quiet on here today. looks like someone needs to launch!
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[17:21] <jededu> ping upu
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[17:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[17:47] <MaXimaN_> -52C and 2.63V on B-64 when last seen? Brrrrr.
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[18:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RA4NHY - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=RA4NHY
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[18:08] <lz1dev> MaXimaN_: we actually have a satellite picture of b-64
[18:10] <qyx_> wheer
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[18:12] <lz1dev> hold on
[18:12] <lz1dev> let me find it
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[18:14] <lz1dev> http://i.imgur.com/0KJPCsy.png
[18:15] <qyx_> uhm
[18:16] <lz1dev> -52C cold up there
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[18:25] <LeoBodnar> lol
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[18:31] <Upu> pong jededu
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[18:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SKA2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SKA2
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[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> Halloween sun: https://www.facebook.com/NASA/photos/a.67899501771.69169.54971236771/10152731545456772/?type=1
[19:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5NVX after 03a day silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SP5NVX
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