highaltitude.log.20141006

[00:00] <nigelvh> Those commands take a fair bit of time to actually work through
[00:00] <nigelvh> Relatively speaking
[00:00] <qyx_> also there would be need for higher value cap on gps vcc if you are feeding it directly from io
[00:01] <qyx_> Rdson of the internal fets is higher than of external proper power source
[00:01] <nigelvh> Yeah
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[00:11] <nigelvh> Well, sounds like a PNP is still the standard of choice.
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[00:16] <qyx_> kf7fer: i haven't answered you.. what should be ugly?
[00:16] <qyx_> multiple pins?
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[00:28] <kf7fer> qynx_: sorry yeah, just seems like a messy solution
[00:29] <kf7fer> but I can see why you'd want to do it - esp. if you were doing a lot of units
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[06:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03B-64 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=B-64
[06:35] <x-f> nice
[06:35] <arko> you crazy diamond!
[06:36] <arko> float on
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[08:04] <craag> Steve_G0TDJ: Morning, what's on 434.400 today then? ;)
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[08:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> craag: Eh, what???
[08:07] <craag> Spotted your callsign on the websdr
[08:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh, I had just left DLFLDigi running overnight :-)
[08:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> And the WEBSDR
[08:08] <craag> ah cool, and the websdr hadn't crashed?
[08:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nope, I just closed the windlw and it was working fine
[08:09] <craag> html5 :)
[08:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> I thought of something that might be good for the WEBSDR, could there be a setting to roll the waterfall the other way, as in up to down
[08:09] <craag> hmm
[08:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> It woul dmatch DLFLDigi then
[08:09] <craag> yeah that could be done
[08:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> It was odd looking at one going up and one going down
[08:10] <craag> Yeah it is!
[08:10] <craag> although fldigi has the freq scale on the top too
[08:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> I managed a few packets of HABAXE1 but I gave up chasing it
[08:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> It would just be nice to have the waterfalls running the same way.
[08:11] <craag> hehe yeah I had a brief go, got rather annoying
[08:11] <craag> yep ok I'll take a look
[08:11] Action: craag -> work
[08:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> In the end, I stuck the cursor in the middle, widened the filters and left it to it
[08:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> No worries, catch you later Phil
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[08:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Dk2ts_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Dk2ts_chase
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[09:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03qwer_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=qwer_chase
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[10:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Dk2ts_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Dk2ts_chase
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[10:35] <amell> can i use all analog pins for SPI? is there any restriction known?
[10:41] <mattbrejza> i assume you mean bitbanged spi?
[10:42] <mattbrejza> in which case its just a normal digital pin thing
[10:42] <amell> yeah. ive run out of the usual pins
[10:42] <mattbrejza> yea all avr pins can be digital io
[10:42] <amell> yes, but no restrictions? I thought only some of them could be
[10:42] <craag> spi is probably the easiest protocol to bitbang
[10:43] <craag> at least from the master pov
[10:43] <mattbrejza> no restrictions
[10:43] <craag> ah amell did you see my link about using an SD + another device on the spi bus?
[10:44] <amell> yes i did thanks. useful. says i have to write a byte to the SD AFTER cs is high to make it release properly.
[10:44] <craag> yep
[10:44] <amell> if i read it right. i need to get the url and read it again
[10:44] <craag> That was it
[10:45] <craag> note: not tried it myself
[10:45] <amell> that must have taken some poor bugger days to figure out.
[10:45] <craag> heh yeah
[10:46] <amell> and i would love to know why on earth ftdi breakouts cost so much.
[10:46] <mattbrejza> although that might be in the fatfs drivers already?
[10:47] <amell> im just wondering if i have enough time to do writes to SD - is it slow?
[10:47] <mattbrejza> you can always use interrupts to do stuff as well in the 'foreground'
[10:47] <amell> 18hz gps positions, write each sentence to SD and then tx every 18th sentence to RFM.
[10:48] <mattbrejza> it helps to write to the sd card in largish blocks too
[10:48] <amell> i have a feeling 18hz may be too much for software serial SPI
[10:48] <mattbrejza> so just interrupt on gps, add to buffer, write card in the main loop
[10:48] <mattbrejza> oh yea...
[10:48] <mattbrejza> wont go well
[10:48] <mattbrejza> cant background recieve
[10:49] <mattbrejza> (insert generic arduino is crap remark here)
[10:49] <amell> any thoughts on a way forward other than arduino is crap remarks
[10:49] <amell> :)
[10:50] <craag> I wouldn't have thought 18hz was too much
[10:50] <mattbrejza> well putting the gps on hardware uart is probably best
[10:50] <amell> it would be nice if there was a mini pro arduino with two hardware uarts
[10:50] <craag> sd cards are quite fast I think
[10:50] <mattbrejza> which gps you using? persumably not max?
[10:51] <craag> m8 does 18hz gps-only
[10:51] <amell> i cant do that as i need the hardware uart free for debug/ftdi
[10:51] <craag> 10hz concurrent
[10:51] <amell> max7
[10:51] <mattbrejza> i didnt think they had spi?
[10:51] <amell> confused. matt what are you referring to?
[10:51] <mattbrejza> 'i have a feeling 18hz may be too much for software serial SPI
[10:51] <mattbrejza> '
[10:51] <mattbrejza> (or you referring to sd card?)
[10:52] <amell> oh you can do spi on arduino pro mini.
[10:52] <mattbrejza> yea but not to a max7?
[10:52] <craag> wait
[10:52] <amell> max 7 is software serial
[10:53] <craag> so you're doing software serial to the gps, hw spi to the rfm98
[10:53] <amell> correct
[10:53] <craag> and now you're wanting to add sw spi to an sd card
[10:53] <amell> yep
[10:53] <craag> sounds like hell :/
[10:53] <amell> im beginning to think that
[10:54] <amell> i suspect arduino pro mini isnt the right board for this application
[10:54] <mattbrejza> im not sure itll work unless you use hardware ports and interrupts
[10:54] <craag> 2x software protocol concurrently really isn't a good idea unless you know exactly what it's doing imo
[10:54] <craag> matt: +1
[10:54] <mattbrejza> but if you use a proper programmer and put the gps on hardware uart should work
[10:54] <craag> +1 again
[10:54] <amell> define proper programmer
[10:55] <mattbrejza> you can always get away with sharing the bootloader programmer and gps both on hardware uart
[10:55] <mattbrejza> but need a jumper or something but nothing major
[10:55] <amell> i tried that, but it was a PITA to debug
[10:57] <amell> wondering about teensy 3.1 board might be more suitable
[10:58] <craag> proper programmer = icsp
[10:58] <amell> arduino pro mini doesnt have icsp header
[10:59] <craag> it uses the spi pins (+reset), so you can wire it up to there, or make your own pcb :)
[10:59] <amell> rfm is wired up to there&
[11:00] <craag> not a problem
[11:00] <craag> put a pullup on the CS line, so the rfm is disabled while the icsp is running
[11:00] <craag> (I do this with the rfm69 on the ukhasnet nodes)
[11:03] <amell> hmm, ok, will consider this matter further.
[11:04] <craag> eg https://raw.githubusercontent.com/philcrump/UKHASnet-avr-sensor/master/V2/Schematic%20V2.png
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[11:39] <Laurenceb> how do i swap branches in git?
[11:39] <Laurenceb> anyone know?
[11:40] <qyx_> git checkout?
[11:40] <Laurenceb> aha, thanks
[11:42] <lz1dev> swap?
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[11:46] <Laurenceb> change to another branch
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[11:50] <lz1dev> yeh checkout
[11:51] <lz1dev> you can go into specific commits as well
[11:51] <lz1dev> or bring a files from another commit
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[12:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SC6 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SC6
[12:20] <Laurenceb> oh EATH22-1 made it across
[12:20] <Laurenceb> nice
[12:23] <fsphil> spain again?
[12:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SC7 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SC7
[12:36] <Laurenceb> anyone here used gopro cameras?
[12:36] <Laurenceb> i have one thats unresponsive
[12:36] <Laurenceb> it beeps and flashes like its turning on
[12:37] <Laurenceb> then nothing
[12:41] <amell> seen that happen when the battery is discharged completely
[12:44] <jonsowman> q T*#T*qqqq
[12:44] <mattbrejza> agreed
[12:44] <jonsowman> lol sorry
[12:47] <Laurenceb> fixed it
[12:47] <Laurenceb> shorted the reset pin :P
[12:47] Action: Laurenceb has a breakout cable for the 30pin header
[12:47] <Laurenceb> seems my PC managed to get the usb into a hanged state
[12:47] <Laurenceb> i unplugged it mid transfer
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[13:08] <Laurenceb> http://raspi.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/DSC_0579.jpg
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[13:27] <vk2fak> I wonder has anyone done any programming of a client for habitat....seeing couchdbkit does not go past Python 2.6
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[13:30] <craag> vk2fak: There's a HTTP API
[13:31] <craag> I used it in habrotate here: https://github.com/philcrump/habrotate/blob/master/cli/habrotate-cli.py
[13:31] <vk2fak> cool did not know that thanks
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[13:47] <MaXimaN> FLIR Lepton sensors at $257.48 through GroupGet: https://groupgets.com/campaigns/31-flir-lepton-thermal-imager-batch-2
[13:47] <MaXimaN> Well, $305 to UK inc. shipping
[13:48] <MaXimaN> 80x60 pixels, 9Hz update rate
[13:48] <MaXimaN> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bqY-NclJtM
[13:49] <amell> whats the application for this?
[13:50] <nats`> generic thermal imaging :D
[13:50] <MaXimaN> Yup
[13:51] <fsphil> fly one on a payload obviously :)
[13:52] <daveake> Scam ATM users
[13:52] <MaXimaN> The low res would be returnable at low tx speeds
[13:52] <nats`> at 80x60 witha fixed optic sadly I'm not sure it's really itneresting
[13:53] <fsphil> wire two up to an occulus rift, pretend to be the Preditor
[13:53] <nats`> :D
[13:53] <nats`> that one is cool :D
[13:53] <nats`> or make a tower defense detector of rcool neighboor :D
[13:53] <nats`> for cool
[13:53] <fsphil> stereo thermal imagine would be quite neat
[13:53] <fsphil> imaging*
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[13:54] <MaXimaN> Or watch the temperature variations of the rfm22 on HABAXE... oh wait, we can do that just from the waterfall
[13:54] <nats`> againg fixed optic wil be the problem I think
[13:54] <fsphil> would need a better resolution than that module though
[13:54] <nats`> I have a thermal camera at home an old stuff and having a fixed optic really limit the use
[13:54] <nats`> and custom (or other optic) are expensive
[13:54] <nats`> since it's not "glass" :D
[13:56] <gonzo_> they used to use something like solid gemainum
[13:56] <fsphil> for stereo vision use it would need to be pretty wide angled
[13:56] <nats`> germanium yes
[13:56] <nats`> on ebay you find "nice" lens for thermal imager at 20k¬ :D
[13:56] <fsphil> ooch
[13:57] <MaXimaN> It also has, er, other uses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv2Bq_EFg4c (NSFW, kinda)
[13:57] <nats`> :D
[13:59] <nats`> http://www.thorlabs.de/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=1780 <= fsphil by tweaking a mount with that maybe we could change the focal of the lepton :)
[13:59] <MaXimaN> Hmmm the Lepton sensor is only 0.55g - not sure if that is with the optional socket
[14:00] <MaXimaN> The lens is 63.5 FOV diagonal
[14:00] <fsphil> oh nice
[14:00] <fsphil> the resolution is low enough for an AVR to handle it
[14:00] <MaXimaN> Yup
[14:00] <fsphil> so is the clock speed
[14:00] <fsphil> would be quite simple to SSDV an image down and save it onto SD
[14:00] <MaXimaN> OPerating range only down to -10C though :(
[14:01] <MaXimaN> "optimum" operating range
[14:01] <nats`> I'm waiting for a loss of value in some month/years
[14:01] <nats`> hopefully FLIR makes the Thermal imager really affordable for individual
[14:02] <nats`> maybe it'll worth it soon
[14:02] <MaXimaN> Down to -20 with some performance degredation, unspecified
[14:02] <MaXimaN> 12km altitude equiv maximum rating, heh
[14:03] <nats`> or with a really well controlled heater you could use it for short term flight
[14:03] <nats`> two peltier plate
[14:03] <nats`> and you heat the sensor
[14:03] <MaXimaN> Tricky
[14:03] <nats`> (from the back obviously)
[14:03] <MaXimaN> But some heat will convect through the sensor and skew results
[14:04] <MaXimaN> Probably creates thermal "noise" if nothing lese
[14:04] <MaXimaN> Probably creates thermal "noise" if nothing else
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> The leptoncell is just the start
[14:04] <nats`> if you do that only to reach -10 it should be correct
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> ee
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> sensor
[14:04] <nats`> SpeedEvil I hope so :)
[14:04] <nats`> it's too long that thermal imaging is an expensive area :)
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> there is a similar device to the iFlir thing with the lepton in - in a tupid sticky-out format camera that hangs off a microusb
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> 200*150 IIRC for $200
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> I haven't yet seen a teardown
[14:05] <nats`> they did that for the iphone
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> the iphone one is lepton
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> only
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> err
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> other way round
[14:05] <nats`> oky :)
[14:05] <nats`> let's wait 1 year for a first better price ? :)
[14:06] <MaXimaN> Around 100mA total operating current
[14:06] <gonzo_> a simple system could be lashed up using scanning mirrors for the imaging
[14:06] <nats`> gonzo_ that's what I almost have :D
[14:07] <gonzo_> and a pin hole lens works with therman IR
[14:07] <nats`> a linear 200px bolometer
[14:07] <nats`> and it slide with a motor
[14:07] <nats`> http://www.x20.org/shop/infrared-cameras/snapshot-525-radiometer/
[14:07] <nats`> I got one on ebay for 80$ some month ago
[14:07] <gonzo_> I saw a prototype for something similar, 20odd years ago
[14:07] <nats`> it's funny but heavy like an old polaroid
[14:08] <MaXimaN> I wonder if DLP tech could offer cheaper IR sensors
[14:09] Action: MaXimaN wonders if they do this already
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> gonzo_: you end up much, much more complex, for a bit cheaper
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[14:09] <SpeedEvil> gonzo_: though the stage could be useful for other things
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> for example - make a nice $? 10g positioner to go to an arbitrary point in the ky
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> s
[14:10] <gonzo_> what I saw used a mirror on a two axis voice coil arrangement, anmd the sensing element looked pretty much like one from a domestic PIR
[14:12] <gonzo_> I don't think that the linear sensors existed then
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> Ah - right
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> seek thermal
[14:12] <MaXimaN> FLIR One is £260, sensor on its own is 190.70
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> $199
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> Plus VAT and import duty and shipping
[14:12] <MaXimaN> 260GBP from their site
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> http://obtain.thermal.com/product-p/uw-aaa.htm
[14:13] <MaXimaN> ooooh
[14:13] <nats`> 206 x 156 Array
[14:13] <nats`> it's weird
[14:13] <SpeedEvil> US/cnaada though only
[14:14] <nats`> lepton doesn't display
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> nats`: err - what?
[14:14] <MaXimaN> "Devices that need 180 degree microUSB adaptor: HTC"
[14:14] <MaXimaN> Goddamit!
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> MaXimaN: IMO anyone that uses such a thing directly on their camera wants their port to fail
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> And their camera
[14:16] <gonzo_> have they got that under ITAR then?
[14:16] <MaXimaN> http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/09/25/hands-on-with-the-199-seek-thermal-smartphone-infrared-camera-yes-really-actually-this-is-amazing/
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> As I understand it - it's under 9fps
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> so it's OK
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> >9fps is heavily regulated
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> >60FPS ridiculously so
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> Someone needs to send mike a seek thermal
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[14:41] Action: myself pats his trusty e4
[14:42] <myself> 9fps as a webcam is still hilarious.
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[14:51] <nats`> myself export regulation
[14:51] <nats`> more than 9fps seems to be assimilated to weapon
[14:52] <nats`> SpeedEvil I was saying that I'm surprised the camera you linked display a bigger resolution than the lepton
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[14:53] <SpeedEvil> ah
[14:53] <SpeedEvil> I don't think resolution as sucjh is controlled
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[15:03] <nats`> http://www.drsinfrared.com/ResourcesSupport/ExportGuidelines.aspx
[15:03] <nats`> nice table
[15:04] <nats`> 9Hz on any resolution allow to export everywhere (but not to embargo country)
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[15:05] <myself> resolution isn't controlled, and >9fps simply makes it export-controlled, it's still legal to own and use. just don't send it internationally without proper paperwork.
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[15:15] <nats`> yes but for an oem module making paper can be problematic
[15:15] <nats`> and now resolution is not controlled for the resolution I was surprised because I don't see how the cam can be letpon based
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[15:36] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[15:45] <MaXimaN> Man, nats` font is in verdana 2pt here
[15:46] <MaXimaN> Probably a mIRC bug, but I think it's the ` that's causing it
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[16:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SC7 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SC7
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[16:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SC6 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SC6
[17:01] <Maxell> http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=SC6,SC7 :)
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[17:06] <Maxell> uh http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=SC6;SC7 it is
[17:10] <myself> So, how's it determine what callsigns are balloons versus just random hams driving around?
[17:11] <Maxell> SpacenearUS always spits out "New vehicle"
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> myself: few cars perform well at >20000ft.
[17:11] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 20000 ft = 6 km
[17:12] <Maxell> And the "New position" might be checking altitude
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[17:17] <myself> that would make sense. Most cars probably don't even output an altitude..
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[17:18] <mattbrejza> this isnt aprs btw
[17:19] <myself> *that*'s the bit I've never run across documentation for
[17:19] <myself> I'm sure that's obvious to everyone here but me :P
[17:20] <mattbrejza> stuff only appears onto the map if decoded by dl-fldigi and the config files exist for htat payload
[17:21] <mattbrejza> (it is possible to run scripts to import selected callsigns from aprs.fi too)
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[17:32] <daveake> SC7 up
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[17:34] <pfy_> cheers daveake - will be watching from West Yorkshire
[17:35] <Upu> aye up
[17:35] <Upu> where abouts ?
[17:36] <pfy_> Upe: Me?
[17:36] <pfy_> Upu*
[17:36] <Upu> yup
[17:36] <pfy_> Cleckheaton
[17:36] <Upu> about 5 miles from me
[17:37] <pfy_> Just trying to set-up my SDR....only used it at work :-/
[17:37] <pfy_> BRB - gotta reboot - thanks Mr Gates!
[17:37] <Upu> well its coming our way
[17:37] <Upu> kk
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[17:55] <daveake> SC6 up now too
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[17:56] <daveake> So, in case anyone doesn't know, SC6 is Txing LoRa only, on 869.something
[17:57] <daveake> I'm rxing that from here directly, and SC7 is repeating it
[17:57] <daveake> via RTTY
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[17:57] <daveake> The "Rx Count" on SC7 should go approx 4 every RTTY sentence
[17:59] <craag> :)
[18:00] <MaXimaN> Not seeing SC7 in dl-fldigi
[18:00] <daveake> There's no flight doc
[18:01] <MaXimaN> Oh - how is snus being updated?
[18:01] <daveake> Only needs a payload doc
[18:01] <MaXimaN> Ahhh gotcha
[18:01] <daveake> flight doc just makes it easier to get the settings into dl-fldigi, and makes it appear in the google calendar
[18:02] <MaXimaN> Okay, I'm all set to receive and decode
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[18:03] <daveake> hopefully it'll start going up again soon :/
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[18:06] <MaXimaN> http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=SC6;SC7
[18:07] <fsphil> clouds
[18:07] <daveake> some SC7 is doing better at picking up SC6 than I am :)
[18:07] <MaXimaN> :)
[18:07] <daveake> I need to get aerials up outside
[18:08] <daveake> Right off for food
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[18:08] <daveake> Upu get your chase car ready :p
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[18:12] <pfy_> Upu: Are you using an indoor aerial? (Just out of interest)
[18:13] <kf7fer> <amell>it would be nice if there was a mini pro arduino with two hardware uarts
[18:14] <MaXimaN> The prediction for SC7 is... interesting
[18:14] <kf7fer> If you buy the 32u4 based "Pro Micro", like Sparkfun makes... it has USB PLUS a hardware UART
[18:14] <MaXimaN> kf7fer/amell: teensy3 is an option
[18:14] <kf7fer> a little late but I wanted to mention it
[18:14] <kf7fer> MaXimaN: Of course. Good choice as well.
[18:16] <MaXimaN> Ah, the prediction is looking a bit more sensible now :)
[18:16] <LeoBodnar> ask not what your arduino can do for you, but what you can do for your arduino
[18:17] <MaXimaN> - President Bodnar, 2014
[18:17] <LeoBodnar> First I am going to dearduino everyone
[18:19] <MaXimaN> "Are you, or have you ever associated with, a member of the Arduino Party?"
[18:20] <Upu> no pfy
[18:20] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/HAM/Rotator/IMG_0796.JPG
[18:21] <fsphil> it's not ascending, it's wandering
[18:21] <MaXimaN> Upu: nice setup
[18:21] <fsphil> SC6 not suffering the same fate
[18:22] <daveake> bit more lift on SC6
[18:22] <MaXimaN> "Now witness the power of this fully armed and operational battlestation!"
[18:22] <pfy_> Upu: Probably going perform a tad better than my 1/4 whip which came with the dongle! It's been alright across the lab at work; this is the first attempt with a real launch.
[18:23] <fsphil> the little antenna that comes with an rtlsdr?
[18:23] <Upu> let you know when I rx it :) Just eating
[18:25] <MaXimaN> I think SC7 has got tangled in some low cloud
[18:27] <LeoBodnar> if antenna can fit through the doorframe it can be called "indoor antenna"
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[18:34] <LeoBodnar> is SC7 playing a foil?
[18:34] <fsphil> sheesh
[18:34] <fsphil> can't make its mind up
[18:35] <MaXimaN> 7.7m/s horizontal
[18:35] <craag> decoding on websdr
[18:40] <craag> Nice and stable signal :)
[18:41] <daveake> Yeah it's one of those new-fangled NTX2 radios :p
[18:41] <craag> one of the most stable fading wise I've seen actually
[18:41] <daveake> (no not the B)
[18:41] <mattbrejza> hows the repeating going?
[18:42] <craag> well
[18:42] <craag> -65 - -78 dBm for rssi atm
[18:42] <mattbrejza> this is lora 869 balloon -> balloon?
[18:42] <daveake> yes
[18:42] <craag> yep
[18:43] <mattbrejza> hmm seems a bit low bearing in mind both balloons are right next to each other
[18:43] <daveake> One is 1200m above the other
[18:44] <mattbrejza> still not that far
[18:44] <daveake> (not to plan)
[18:44] <MaXimaN> microleak?
[18:44] <daveake> no idea
[18:44] <fsphil> could be snow
[18:44] <MaXimaN> Probably a solar flare then
[18:44] <daveake> doubt it's a leak
[18:44] <mattbrejza> radiation event
[18:45] <daveake> All those received packets weighing it down
[18:45] <MaXimaN> volcanic ash cloud
[18:46] <LeoBodnar> a technical reason?
[18:46] <LeoBodnar> it will shake it off
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[18:49] <craag> packet counter overflow?
[18:49] <craag> yep at 1024
[18:49] <daveake> oh strange
[18:50] <craag> ah or reboot
[18:50] <daveake> hmm
[18:50] <craag> yeah reboot
[18:50] <daveake> ah ta
[18:50] <craag> rtty counter also reset
[18:50] <LeoBodnar> $$SC7,1,00:00:00,0.00000,4.00000,00000,0,-127,0*FDDF
[18:51] <daveake> That's surprising - soldered batteries and JST connectors
[18:51] <daveake> Maybe some moisture in there
[18:51] <MaXimaN> Hopefully it'll ascend now it's shaken off that technical problem
[18:52] <daveake> yeah weighs less now it's ditched those packets
[18:52] <craag> heh
[18:53] <craag> losing it on the websdr now
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[18:55] <MaXimaN> daveake: Will you try to recover if it comes down?
[18:56] <craag> annoying it's this way round - the other way would really show it off!
[18:56] <craag> especially if you could hear it repeated from the ground
[18:56] <MaXimaN> Likely to land 8 to 10km away at this rate
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[18:59] <tjanos> Google HBAL308 over Western Australia: http://www.flightradar24.com/HBAL308/481bb68
[19:01] <MaXimaN> SC7 horizontal speed has slowed
[19:01] <MaXimaN> Look out, Droitwich Spa!
[19:02] <daveake> hmm might need to fire up the habmobile
[19:03] <mattbrejza> i guess this is filled with hydrogen?
[19:03] <daveake> yes
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[19:05] <LeoBodnar> is HBAL a Highballoon?
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[19:06] <amell> ooh, balloon in the air
[19:07] <amell> over the horizon for me. shame.
[19:08] <tjanos> I made screenshot... there is a picture about it, and texts, Helium Balloon, Google Project Loon, altitude is 61000 ft
[19:08] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 61000 ft = 19 km
[19:09] <fsphil> yay
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[19:10] <tjanos> now appeared again on the map
[19:10] <LeoBodnar> tjanos: mine was a bitter and cynical remark
[19:11] <MaXimaN> Landing just outside Droitwich Spa looks likely
[19:11] <LeoBodnar> Highballoon is a term made up and abused by some *ockzips
[19:11] <tjanos> Ok,... I checked the flightradar maps regularly, but didnot see the google ballons since one months
[19:11] <jededu> Still nice and strong
[19:12] <daveake> jededu I need you to get a good last position for me :-)
[19:12] <jededu> Ok trying
[19:13] <craag> daveake: you recovering?
[19:13] <daveake> If I can get this back tonight it's going back up again when I get home
[19:13] <craag> :D
[19:13] <daveake> yes packing now
[19:13] <craag> good luck!
[19:13] <craag> watch out for cows!
[19:13] <daveake> ta :)
[19:13] <daveake> If it clears those houses it should be a field
[19:14] <fsphil> watch out for triffids too
[19:14] <daveake> still repeating I see :)
[19:14] <jededu> 52.20407 -2.19656 350m
[19:15] <daveake> cheers
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[19:16] <MaXimaN> 578m?
[19:17] <MaXimaN> Descent rate increase at the end there - I wonder if it sprung a bigger leak
[19:17] <MaXimaN> Or attracted more sky gremlins
[19:17] <daveake> dunno, hopefully will find out
[19:17] <daveake> laters ....
[19:17] <MaXimaN> Good luck!
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[19:18] <amell> http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/arduino/a-star-32u4-micro - looks good, but i dont think it has hardware uart
[19:20] <myself> "...the same microcontroller as the Arduino Leonardo"
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[19:21] <myself> also see the TXD1/RXD1 pin labels on the diagram
[19:21] <amell> but wheres DTR?
[19:21] <myself> ...the heck would you use DTR for?
[19:21] <jededu> daveake you gone ?
[19:22] <myself> it's native USB, you don't need reset-by-DTR.
[19:23] <amell> ok. im not 100% sure if this will work.
[19:23] <myself> what's the application?
[19:23] <amell> craag: what do you think for the application we talked about earlier.
[19:23] <jededu> 52.20502 -2.18470
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[19:23] <amell> myself: its 2 x SPI for rfm98 and SD card plus hardware uart for gps.
[19:24] <weissbaer> !payload 0x01
[19:24] <SpacenearUS> 03weissbaer: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[19:24] <amell> plus ability to program/debug without disconnecting GPS.
[19:24] <daveake> jededu, Just about to go
[19:24] <amell> my main bugbear with this board is that it seems to need 5V as input. Im using 1S lipo
[19:24] <myself> Yeah, USB programming will be nice.
[19:25] <MaXimaN> daveake: Updated coords - 52.20433, -2.1947
[19:25] <myself> you can feed raw ~3v7 on the 3v3 pin, that's just the output of the regulator
[19:25] <daveake> Ah ta what alt ?
[19:25] <MaXimaN> 563m (again), so could be bogus. Reported by G8ZBJ
[19:25] <daveake> oh ok
[19:25] <myself> pretty sure anyway, check the 32u4 datasheet for voltage limits
[19:25] <MaXimaN> 8 mins ago, no further updates
[19:26] <amell> anyone know who G8ZBJ is - he might have partials
[19:26] <daveake> ok ta off now for real
[19:26] <tjanos> Leo, now I understand your remark: " Have You Heard of Rockzip "Highballoon" Technology?" yes, I have... http://www.laportecountylife.com/business/business-development/45517-have-you-heard-of-rockzip-high-balloon-technology
[19:26] <daveake> If you get anything more ask Upu to text them to me
[19:26] <amell> will do
[19:26] <MaXimaN> yup
[19:27] <daveake> Should be there in 40 mins
[19:27] <MaXimaN> tjanos: It's to distinguish them from lowballoons used at childrens parties
[19:27] <Upu> take the portal generator
[19:28] <amell> hmm! what is that strange circle just east of SC6?!
[19:29] <amell> strange track!
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[19:30] <MaXimaN> I'd guesstimate SC7 being osmewhere in the vicinity of Broadfield Gardens
[19:30] <Maxell> Wait whut... http://aprs.fi/info/?call=HB-*
[19:30] <MaXimaN> Or Windermere Drive if the descent rate increased
[19:30] <Maxell> Nice!
[19:31] <MaXimaN> What the...?
[19:32] <MaXimaN> Last path: KJ4ERJ-HB>APZLUA via TCPIP
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[19:34] <tjanos> Better to try: http://aprs.fi/info/?call=HBA*
[19:36] <Maxell> hehe
[19:39] <jededu> 200m
[19:40] <mikestir> what's this sc6?
[19:40] <mikestir> lora only?
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[19:41] <Maxell> !payload sc6
[19:41] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[19:41] <tjanos> On the aprs.fi there are HBAL237 and HBAL317, started from Argentina, 47 days ago. What we see on Western Australia now, this is HBAL308. Another was between Africa (Mosambique) and Madagascar, its ID is HBAL285
[19:41] <Maxell> oeoeoeoeoe
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[19:44] <craag> mikestir: SC6 is 868 lora
[19:44] <craag> SC7 is 868 lora -> RTTY
[19:44] <craag> (434 RTTY)
[19:44] <craag> however the balloon failed
[19:44] <mikestir> and sc6 is missing?
[19:44] <craag> Dave has gone out to recover and hopefully relaunch
[19:45] <mikestir> ok
[19:45] <craag> We need the rtty from SC7 to get telem from SC6
[19:45] <craag> and it's on the ground... so no rtty right now
[19:45] <amell> it would be better if both were able to relay the other
[19:46] <craag> yep
[19:46] <craag> that'd be very good
[19:46] <craag> as we'd still have a telem feed from the one on the ground maybe!
[19:46] <amell> im not sure why he didnt do that. surely there would be a reason
[19:46] <craag> maybe only had a single ntx2 lying around
[19:46] <craag> but this is dave
[19:46] <craag> so maybe not that particular reason..
[19:47] <Upu> lol
[19:47] <Upu> damn right
[19:47] <cm13g09> craag: ANYTHING can happen with Dave ;)
[19:47] <mikestir> should use 434 lora and have them alternate out of phase between rx and tx
[19:47] <Upu> he's got more radiometrix than radiometrix
[19:47] <mikestir> use the same module for the rtty
[19:47] <Upu> maybe one step at a time testing
[19:47] <amell> 434 lora duty cycle is a problem from what i understood.
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[19:47] <amell> hence 868
[19:48] <craag> I think he went 868 for the 100mW
[19:48] <craag> 434 duty cycle is fine
[19:48] <amell> rfm98 does 100mW?
[19:48] <mikestir> it's 868 that has the duty cycle restriction
[19:48] <Upu> yes
[19:48] <craag> 868 is duty cycle limited
[19:48] <amell> damn, no wonder my tracker was so loud lol.
[19:48] <Upu> but when you're doing stuff for the first time you don't go "oh heck turn everything on"
[19:49] <Upu> combine what works with what you're testing
[19:49] <Upu> i.e RTTY with one relay
[19:49] <craag> well everyone does that once
[19:49] <craag> then next time try and do *something* that *actually works* instead
[19:49] <amell> I couldnt see anything in the datasheet about 100mW
[19:49] <craag> amell: 20dBmW
[19:50] <Upu> yeah look for that
[19:50] <amell> yes, thats the max but i dont understand how that translates to 100mW
[19:50] <craag> decibels
[19:50] <craag> +10 = x10
[19:50] <amell> i set it to 17dBmW
[19:50] <craag> +3 = x2
[19:50] <craag> anything other that... I use a calculator/lookup table
[19:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI-tab_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=M0RPI-tab_chase
[19:51] <Upu> thats 50mW amell
[19:51] <Upu> tbh
[19:51] <Upu> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=17dBmW
[19:51] <Upu> is your friend
[19:51] <craag> ^^ a calculator
[19:51] <craag> :)
[19:51] <amell> Upu: well i never, I might turn it down a bit then. :)
[19:51] <jededu> Upu the last position I had for dave was on the cornre of Tolladine road and Barrowdale drive just a bit further on than G8ZBJ's last reported position
[19:51] <Upu> I think he got that one jededu
[19:51] <jededu> Ok
[19:52] <Upu> but he'll have local RX when he gets close
[19:52] <amell> wonder if he has the anti-speeding evidence turned on.
[19:53] <Upu> well I suspect he caned it along the M50
[19:53] <Upu> good flight btw jededu
[19:54] <Upu> jededu do you think the batteries should be dead now ?
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[20:00] <mfa298> amell: reading scrollback one thing to consider might be getting a proper icsp programmer and then choose a suitable ATMega chip. another option to look at could be using i2c for the gps in which case the uart on some atmega can also act as an SPI master
[20:02] <mikestir> just use an stm32f151 - then you get 3 SPIs, 7 UARTs and an SDIO port :)
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[20:03] <cm13g09> evening mfa298
[20:03] <amell> ta. but can reading i2c for gps be in irq routine?
[20:04] <cm13g09> or is it mid-afternoon for you at the moment.....
[20:04] <amell> the pololu 32u4 i mentioned earlier has icsp header.
[20:06] <mikestir> amell: you have to poll an i2c register for data
[20:06] <amell> and write to rfm, and write to sd card? sounds a bit excessive
[20:06] <mikestir> get away
[20:07] <mikestir> you make everything non-blocking
[20:07] <mikestir> poll i2c. anything there? no. do other stuff. poll i2c...
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[20:08] <amell> mikestir: even GPS sentences at 18Hz?
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[20:09] <mikestir> you can run the i2c bus at 400 khz and it has a fairly decent buffer at the ublox end, so yes
[20:09] <myself> what the heck are you doing at 18Hz?
[20:09] <mikestir> it's packetised, so once you've got sync you can burst the buffer contents across - you could do that bit on interrupt
[20:10] <mfa298> I'm sure if you think about how you write the code you can make it work. Although part of making it work might be throwing out the arduino stuff and go it properly
[20:10] <amell> myself: rocket position tracking and logging.
[20:11] <myself> neat
[20:12] <bertrik> I think I'd do one thing in an interrupt (e.g. receiving the data) and the other thing (e.g. processing the data) in the "main" context and put a massive circular buffer in between
[20:12] <mikestir> amell: just reminding myself of how I did it on my kinetis tracker, it reads one byte at a time in a little state machine until it gets the sync word (0xb5 followed by 0x62), then it reads the buffer level from registers 0xfd and 0xfe and then does a read for the specified number of bytes in one go
[20:13] <amell> http://i.imgur.com/ynMCOEn.png
[20:13] <Upu> uh oh
[20:14] <Upu> upload from daveake
[20:14] <amell> http://i.imgur.com/bHrAtp5.jpg rfm98, arduino and upugps is stuffed inside that nosecone.
[20:14] <amell> JST connector for scale :)
[20:14] <Upu> bet thats not coming back tonight
[20:15] <MaXimaN> Upu: Hazard lights on, bonnet up, no problem ;)
[20:15] <myself> nice
[20:15] <amell> right next to the slip road, should be fine, he can walk back down
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[20:15] <LeoBodnar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFN_tBT-xZE
[20:16] <Upu> sure amell
[20:16] <Upu> be fine
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[20:17] <MaXimaN> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/52%C2%B012'22.0%22N+2%C2%B009'38.2%22W/@52.2061164,-2.1610012,3a,75y,102.23h,69.18t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1skIEb1EFe70iVIoxeZOoJUw!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0
[20:17] <MaXimaN> So if he can just climb over the crash barrier, through a ditch, cut through those bushes, it should be fine
[20:17] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Just updated the B-64 files for most recent data! http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/B64_20141006.kmz
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[20:22] <pc1pcl> seems he hasn't given up just yet..
[20:23] <Upu> yup
[20:23] <MaXimaN> Looks like he's going to try and get at it from Pershore Lane
[20:23] <MaXimaN> Let's offroad!
[20:23] <Upu> I wonder what put him off about amells suggestion to walk down the hard shoulder on the M5
[20:24] <MaXimaN> Probably those bushes. They looked pretty dense.
[20:24] <amell> probably the police too.
[20:24] <amell> i actually meant walk the other side of the barrier.
[20:24] <pc1pcl> probably just too dangerous to just pull over to the emergency lane. And to visible.
[20:24] <MaXimaN> "Have you seen this man? Were you in the area?"
[20:25] <jededu> Upu thanks yes they had about 50 hours in them
[20:25] <Upu> don't get excited but it may have been recieved in Bergen
[20:25] <jededu> Cool
[20:25] <Upu> an hour ago
[20:25] <MaXimaN> dave's on the move again
[20:26] <amell> may have been received?
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[20:27] <jededu> Do you have info :)
[20:27] <mikestir> he should be streaming this recovery. it would be like the blair hab project
[20:27] <amell> i would park right there.
[20:27] <amell> in that layby. and walk
[20:27] <amell> oh, looks like he isnt
[20:28] <MaXimaN> He's going to do a drive-by pick-up
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[20:28] <MaXimaN> Car, 50 meter pole with a hook on the end. Job done.
[20:28] <amell> theres a path to the balloon from that layby.
[20:28] <amell> does he have google maps in the car?
[20:29] <amell> aha. hes figured it out now
[20:29] <amell> thats exactly where i was thinking
[20:29] <amell> oh god hes off again
[20:30] <MaXimaN> He just wants to keep you guessing amell
[20:30] <amell> clearly!
[20:30] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Park on the bend and use the path opposite ?
[20:31] <amell> there looks ok, if theres a path through the trees. not clear on the map
[20:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> There is on the Sat map
[20:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> you can see the tractor ruts
[20:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> an a gate
[20:31] <amell> a gate?
[20:31] <pc1pcl> of course current state of field might be different than on the sat picture.
[20:31] <amell> under the really big tree?
[20:32] <amell> the image is 2014, so thats good
[20:32] <mikestir> pc1pcl: well it's dark for one thing :)
[20:32] <MaXimaN> The top route looked easier, but who knows what visibility is like
[20:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Pitch black I should imagine!
[20:32] <amell> need FLIR hab hunting headset
[20:32] <Upu> he knows about the fotopath
[20:32] <Upu> but its very dark
[20:32] <MaXimaN> See, I *told* you that FLIR sensor would come in handy!
[20:33] <Upu> looks like its on the footpath actually
[20:33] <mikestir> we got a flir one at work - it's a bit low res to be useful
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[20:34] <myself> shame there's no high-res hack for it like the e4
[20:34] <mikestir> no, the lepton sensor itself is only 80x60 or so
[20:34] <mikestir> the do some processing by edge-detecting the image from the visible camera, but that's not much use in the dark
[20:35] <mikestir> s/the/they/
[20:35] <myself> yeah, MSX is cute but awful sometimes
[20:35] <MaXimaN> We were looking at a higher res one earlier
[20:35] <myself> 80x60 is what the e4 ships with, that was useful but disappointing. I absoultely wouldn't have bought an e4 unless I knew I could unlock higher res.
[20:36] <MaXimaN> http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/09/25/hands-on-with-the-199-seek-thermal-smartphone-infrared-camera-yes-really-actually-this-is-amazing/
[20:36] <MaXimaN> 206x156
[20:36] <amell> let me know when its 720x576
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[20:37] <amell> no morpionfoot?
[20:37] <pc1pcl> seems there is some sort of waterway between chase car and the balloon on the map. hopefully it can be crossed.
[20:37] <amell> i always take iphone app when habhunting
[20:39] <amell> surely he knows there are many people here looking for entertainment.
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[21:00] <Maxell> MORPI_on_foot ??? MORPI_offroad
[21:01] <MaXimaN> Looks like dave has setup camp for the night
[21:03] <amell> yeah, surprised he isnt on the move yet
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[21:03] <amell> or maybe hes been arrested for dogging
[21:04] <amell> sorry, habbing...
[21:04] <myself> I'm picturing a guy out there with a fishing pole, casting a hooked line into the brush, trying to snag a payload on the far side of a little body of water.
[21:06] <Upu> amell - stop talking pls :)
[21:07] <amell> charming
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[21:10] <qyx_> O_o did i miss something?
[21:10] <nats`> seems like amell is a little hyperreactiv
[21:10] <fsphil> SC6 stopped tx'ing?
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[21:10] <qyx_> cows \o/
[21:11] <craag> fsphil: I assume SC7 wasn't seeing SC6 from the ground
[21:12] <fsphil> I think dave had an RX at home, unless he took it with him...
[21:12] Action: fsphil gets out the 869mhz yagi
[21:16] <Maxell> lastlog daveake
[21:16] <Maxell> doh
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[21:21] <fsphil> nothing obvious on 869.5
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[21:25] <Upu> payload recovered
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[21:25] <craag> :)
[21:25] <craag> probably a bit late for a relaunch now
[21:26] <Upu> yup
[21:26] <fsphil> must've been a tricky one
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[21:29] <mikestir> nothing obvious on 869.5 here either, standing out in the garden
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[21:29] <mikestir> I guess it would be somewhere up this way by now?
[21:29] <fsphil> nicely noise free
[21:29] <fsphil> yea the prediction had it west of us by now
[21:30] <fsphil> probably on the ground
[21:35] <MaXimaN> Phew, glad the payload was recovered
[21:35] <MaXimaN> Only took 1200GBP worth of crop damage ;)
[21:39] <fsphil> oh the balloon looked fine
[21:46] <mattbrejza> oh twitter
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[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:49] <fsphil> hah
[21:50] <fsphil> re: https://twitter.com/daveake/status/519232346449805312/photo/1
[21:50] <craag> pinhole leak then I guess
[21:51] <fsphil> yea snow or ice would've melted by now
[21:52] <mikestir> that seems to have been a problem for those balloons
[21:53] <Upu> possibly not enough gas
[21:53] <Upu> they loose quite a bit of lift when the sun sets
[21:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SKA2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SKA2
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[22:12] <daveake> home
[22:13] <daveake> balloon was definitely defalted compared to earlier
[22:14] <daveake> So, to chuck it back up now, or not ........
[22:14] <mattbrejza> tie it to thte top of the car
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[22:18] <fsphil> do you think the other one would still be tx'ing?
[22:20] <craag> as amell mentioned earlier, it would be good to fit SC6 (or SC6.1) with an NTX2 too, and get them to cross-repeat
[22:20] <craag> so whichever goes out of range/lands first can be repeated by the other
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[22:21] <daveake> yeah, will do next time
[22:22] <daveake> If anyone can see blips of 125kHz bw centreed at 869.587, then I'll put this back up
[22:22] <craag> the complicated bit of it worked well :)
[22:22] <daveake> Yeah :) lol
[22:22] <craag> mikestir and fsphil looked earlier and couldn't see anything
[22:22] <daveake> ok
[22:22] <craag> although 125khz wide can be hard to spot :P
[22:22] <daveake> true
[22:22] <mikestir> I was listening on AM - I'd expect to have heard something
[22:23] <daveake> OK, well if there's nothing then I'll wait for another day
[22:23] <mikestir> I'll go and check again...
[22:23] <daveake> I can build another lora+ntx2 and get them to talk to each other
[22:24] <mikestir> how long are the pips likely to be, and how often?
[22:24] <daveake> <0.5s every 5s
[22:24] <craag> what effective baudrate did you use between them?
[22:24] <daveake> erm, can't remember :/
[22:25] <craag> <0.5s must be quite quick!
[22:25] <craag> (wrt rtty)
[22:25] <daveake> Yeah, 125kHz b/w helps
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[22:25] <craag> :D
[22:26] <daveake> I told you I ran almost continuous SSDV at that rate?
[22:26] <mikestir> no, nothing heard
[22:26] <daveake> with the other settings wound up
[22:26] <daveake> 1 image < 20s
[22:26] <daveake> Thanks mikestir I'll call it a day then
[22:26] <mikestir> it's pretty cold outside - maybe it came down
[22:26] <daveake> yeah
[22:27] <daveake> No point losing this one again to find one that's landed
[22:27] <craag> mm
[22:27] <daveake> craag is thinking "Well, if you fly past where it's landed ...."
[22:28] <craag> there is that
[22:28] <daveake> I'll make another repeater and fly 2 of them
[22:28] <craag> but if it's landed slowly and squashed the antenna into the ground...
[22:28] <craag> or in a ditch
[22:28] <daveake> yeah
[22:28] <craag> or ...
[22:28] <daveake> Not worth it I think
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[22:45] <kf7fer> So there is actually a "Discovery News" article titled "How a mission to Mars could kill you". Long trip to space? No doubt! Let me count the ways ;-)
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[22:49] <LeoBodnar> Geoff-G8DHE_ nice visuals, thanks!
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