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[05:18] <kf7fer> Real quiet tonight eh?
[05:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ap 37 au 599_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=ap%2037%20au%20599_chase
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[06:06] <DL7AD> morning kf7fer
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[06:10] <kf7fer> morning DL7AD
[06:11] <kf7fer> just trying to sort out some Eagle problems with my Hackvana order
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[06:14] <DL7AD> kf7fer: ah okay.
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[06:14] <DL7AD> is there such an online form?
[06:14] <kf7fer> I'm sorry?
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[06:19] <kf7fer> my problem is trying to do a stencil and I can't quite get the reduced cream layer sorted
[06:20] <kf7fer> but it's early and I have no life besides getting a new board design sorted
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[06:43] <kf7fer> Anybody on use Eagle?
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[06:54] Nick change: Hes_ -> Hes
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[07:04] <mikestir> what's up kf7fer?
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[07:07] <kf7fer> I'm trying to reduce the cream layer on my board
[07:07] <kf7fer> I may have got it sorted tho
[07:07] <kf7fer> generating gerbers now
[07:07] <mikestir> I've never reflowed a board I've done in eagle, but you can probably do it with the "restring" option
[07:08] <mikestir> seems maybe it's under masks in the drc
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[07:15] <kf7fer> mikestir: I believe that the magic I need does indeed lay under the DRC -> Masks option
[07:15] <kf7fer> Should I add to my title... Mighty GerbLook killer!
[07:15] <kf7fer> I'm the creator of boards that cannot be rendered!
[07:16] <mikestir> haha
[07:16] <kf7fer> hear me... do something
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[07:19] <kf7fer> I feel like I should be able to pull a sword out of... something... right? I did kill a...well... thing
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[07:28] <mikestir> did you actually take it offline?
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[07:35] <jededu> EDUPIC3 will be launching in the next 20 mins 20g payload on a foil 434.650 RTTY 50 8n2
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[07:36] <kf7fer> mikestir: Sorry no, I'm not that good. Only killed the render window
[07:41] <mikestir> is there a flight doc jededu? nothing showing in fldigi
[07:41] <jededu> Predictor has it going NE
[07:42] <jededu> No never did one
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[07:44] <LeoBodnar> Two more superpressure beauties are coming our way http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FAETH22-1%2Ca%2FAETH22-3&timerange=259200&tail=259200
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[07:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPIC3 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC3
[07:52] <fsphil> nothing heard on the US aprs frequency last night, but I didn't know there where more coming - should've left it running
[07:53] <LeoBodnar> i hope they have tank batteries this time
[08:00] <UpuWork> I asked for you LeoBodnar
[08:00] <UpuWork> what balloon
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[08:01] <jededu> Its up
[08:01] <mfa298> jededu: are your radio's frequency agile. 434.650 is a repeater input which means there can be a lot of high power interference for some of us on there at times.
[08:02] <LeoBodnar> ta UpuWork
[08:02] <jededu> Yes next time ill change it
[08:03] Action: fsphil has a box of 434.650 NTX2s :)
[08:03] <mfa298> I think the general consensus is anything under 434.500 is a safer bet
[08:03] <UpuWork> OMGZ WILL YOU THINK OF THE REPEATERSS?!
[08:03] <LeoBodnar> 434.650 is a tactical weapon
[08:03] <mikestir> jededu: have you got .650 dial?
[08:03] <UpuWork> secondary users
[08:03] <UpuWork> laaadeedaaa
[08:04] <jededu> .6498
[08:04] <UpuWork> I can't hear you over the subaudible clicking of your payload interference
[08:04] <LeoBodnar> ISMs are 1.5ary users
[08:04] <mfa298> I don't care about the repeaters. last time I tried tracking one of the balloons on .650 it kepts being wiped out by people trying to use the repeater
[08:04] <LeoBodnar> inbetween mil and ham
[08:04] <LeoBodnar> cuz can't change frequency
[08:04] <LeoBodnar> </jerry can>
[08:09] <mikestir> got you on the waterfall already jededu
[08:09] <jededu> Cool :)
[08:09] <jededu> Good signal this time and no GPS problems
[08:09] <gonzo_> I would suggest that ism may be officially 2ndry(ish) but in realityit is treated an unprotected primary
[08:10] <mikestir> I wonder what the situation would be with this sigfox bunch who are setting up a commercial ISM network
[08:10] <gonzo_> as there is no way to remove all those millions of devices.
[08:11] <gonzo_> googles sigfix.......
[08:11] <mikestir> sigfox
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[08:12] <mikestir> not much commercial detail on it, but arqiva are supposedly building out a base station network in the uk
[08:12] <mikestir> s/commercial/technical/
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[08:19] <LeoBodnar> in ther news: 868MHz is used for ghetto proximity warning system for sailplanes and light aircraft
[08:20] <LeoBodnar> http://www.flarm.com/
[08:23] <craag_philcrump> heh, better than the wifi used on cranes for that
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[08:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> just as info, I was trying a couple of mashead preamps yesterday as PAVA passed, a cheap homebrew broadband no filtered pga103+ amp and a quite expensive DBA-270 filtered duoband preamp and must say the difference was not very significant!
[08:37] <SA6BSS-Mike> in significant that is no difference at all!
[08:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> I realy thought a 170pound amp would be some better then a 15pound one
[08:39] <LeoBodnar> PAVA is so good
[08:40] Action: UpuWork raises an eye brow
[08:40] <UpuWork> PAVA is so wet would be more accurate
[08:41] <LeoBodnar> makes your £15 amp sound like B&O
[08:41] <craag_philcrump> the pga103+ is a nice little chip. Have had a couple oscillate or blow themselves up though
[08:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> well it was a interesting discovey, anyway, I can transmitt through this new amp so it have its benefits and I have lost some birdes on 2/70 probably caused by intermodulation from FM 88-108Mhz
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[09:11] <amell> my gosh, is there a balloon flying straight at me?
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[09:14] <amell> !dial edupic3
[09:14] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: There are no flights currently :(
[09:14] <UpuWork> 650
[09:15] <amell> jededu: eh?
[09:15] <amell> ta
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[09:15] <amell> wow. strong signal here.
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[09:18] <amell> seems to be something wrong with the gps coords reported by edupic3 - same bug as last time?
[09:22] <fsphil> !flights
[09:22] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: There are no flights currently :(
[09:22] <fsphil> no flight doc?
[09:22] <amell> flight docs are for weenies
[09:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> !dial
[09:22] <SpacenearUS> 03SA6BSS-Mike: There are no flights currently :(
[09:22] <fsphil> or for people who want to make it easier to track their flight :)
[09:23] <amell> .650, 350 shift, 8n1
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[09:34] <jededu> Hi amell there is no flight doc
[09:35] <amell> thats fine. fsphil was querying it.
[09:35] <amell> float or pop?
[09:35] <jededu> Float hopefully its a foil
[09:36] <amell> if you put flightdoc in then the automatic trackers will pick it up.
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[09:37] <fsphil> it'll also correctly configure dl-fldigi to display position and distance
[09:38] <jededu> Can I do it after launch
[09:38] <amell> sure you can
[09:40] <fsphil> yea the B flights are often setup post-launch
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[09:47] <gonzo_> something launched?
[09:47] <jededu> Flightdoc 522b6137f38ee83db7fc2a9b8af1afb5
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[09:53] <jededu> I dont think anyone is around to approve it
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[09:57] <jededu> !flights
[09:57] <SpacenearUS> 03jededu: Current flights: 03EDUPIC3 10(afb5)
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[10:02] <fsphil> !dial EDUPIC3
[10:02] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC2 10(afb5): 03434.125 MHz, 434.65 MHz, 144.7 MHz, 434.6487 MHz, 434.593 MHz
[10:02] <fsphil> hah
[10:02] <fsphil> a few slightly out there
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[10:13] <gonzo_> p.p.pick up a pie, on it's way passed
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[11:00] <Maxell> !payload EDUPIC3
[11:00] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03EDUPIC2 10(afb5) 03$$EDUPIC3 - 03RTTY Only - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/430Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[11:01] <Maxell> is this correct?
[11:02] <gonzo_> the carrier is centred at 434.651 and the shift is more like 330hz
[11:02] <Maxell> ack
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[11:03] <Maxell> It's in float already.
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[11:18] <PA0TON> pse qrg
[11:18] <amell> its correct
[11:19] <amell> did i see something about a launch from cambridge today?
[11:20] <mattbrejza> who knows what you saw :P
[11:21] <fsphil> a glitch in the matrix
[11:22] <DL7AD_mobile2> Morning
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[11:22] <PH3V> !payload EDUPIC3
[11:22] <SpacenearUS> 03PH3V: Payload 03EDUPIC2 10(afb5) 03$$EDUPIC3 - 03RTTY Only - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/430Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[11:31] <Maxell> the shift is more like 330hz
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[11:34] <jed_edu> Yes it should be 330hz just forgot to change it in the doc
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[11:42] <DanielRichman> Joey is up
[11:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> !payload JOEY
[11:46] <SpacenearUS> 03Steve_G0TDJ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> Anyone know what JOEY's freq is?
[11:47] <lz1dev> !payload 7f1d
[11:47] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:47] <lz1dev> ah
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[11:48] <lz1dev> !id 757f6fccac0c21ce31021876bcc3fc2e
[11:48] <SpacenearUS> Payload config 03JOEY 10(757f6fccac0c21ce31021876bcc3fc2e) - 12http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/757f6fccac0c21ce31021876bcc3fc2e
[11:48] <SpacenearUS> Callsign(s): 03JOEY
[11:48] <SpacenearUS> Transmission #0: 03434.63 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/350Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[11:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers
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[11:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JOEY - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=JOEY
[11:51] <db_g6gzh> !dial JOEY
[11:51] <SpacenearUS> 03db_g6gzh: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:52] <lz1dev> flight doc has expired window
[11:52] <db_g6gzh> it's on 434.593
[11:52] <db_g6gzh> RTTY 50/300 8n2
[11:52] <Maxell> EDUPIC3 is strong. Just in blue horizon all greens
[11:53] <Maxell> 434.649 MHz audio @ 1306
[11:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> db_g6gzh: Can't hear it here, suprisingly
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[11:53] <db_g6gzh> Steve_G0TDJ: not especially strong here, given how close I am
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[11:56] <Maxell> db_g6gzh: well started spewing out greens as soon as it peeked over the horizon
[11:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> db_g6gzh: Found it but it's not even strong enough for the AFC
[11:57] Action: Maxell should have turned on the radio earlier
[11:57] <Maxell> Did not expect greens that fast
[11:57] <Maxell> 300.8km dx, elevation 0.0
[11:58] <db_g6gzh> Maxell: EDUPIC is strong, JOEY less so
[11:58] <Maxell> oh joey up too?
[11:59] <db_g6gzh> yes, 434.593 RTTY 50/300 8n2
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[12:01] <Maxell> 434.593 clear here
[12:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Maxell: 434.592.81MHz here - Very weak though
[12:01] <Maxell> Well will be much weaker for me tough
[12:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just getting occasional strings here
[12:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just strong enough for partials now: $$JOEY,2944,12:08:46,52.2628970,0.4071935,10501l10.u,10,3*>7D
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[12:15] <PE2G> !dial JOEY
[12:15] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03JOEY 10(7f1d): 03434.5933 MHz
[12:18] <Maxell> PE2G: JOEY quite weak. EDUPIC3 is stronger. 434.649 MHz USB dl-fldigi @ 1340
[12:18] <PE2G> Thanks Maxell
[12:20] <Maxell> PE2G: joey is stronger now for me, dial 434.594 MHz USB, dl-fldigi @ 1833
[12:21] <Maxell> green $$JOEY,2980,12:20:45,52.2486990,0.5159252,13918,0.5,10,3*E52A
[12:21] <PE2G> Got traces from JOEY in bad QRM
[12:21] <Maxell> lol 2E0PNP and PD1ODE
[12:21] <Maxell> lol
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[12:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> Suddenly, JOEY has become strong and stable enough for greens
[12:33] <Maxell> hmm dipped here
[12:35] <Maxell> Both JOEY and EDUPIC a bit weak
[12:35] <Maxell> Was a lot better 10 mins ago...
[12:36] <Maxell> $$JEY,30™,12:36:04,56.2611660,.37116,18 99,-7.0,10,3*1728 :)
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[13:03] <Maxell> hbtUT Caught runtime_error: EZ::HTTPResponse: HTTP 0 (http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/payload_telemetry/_update/add_listener/46a3b40fb0aa52ecad83f6e9bb02fb5d307e4a8b8de43fdeaa74fd57398229aa)
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[13:06] <amell> !dial joey
[13:06] <amell> wtf
[13:06] <amell> !dial joey
[13:06] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Latest dials for 03JOEY 10(7f1d): 03432.412 MHz, 434.5944 MHz, 434.5938 MHz
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[13:17] <lz1dev> amell: some commands will fail silently if the backend fails to respond
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[13:17] <amell> ok
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[13:19] <Maxell> No GPS Lock, Temp 6.25, Battery Volts 0
[13:20] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[13:20] <Maxell> uhhh
[13:20] <Maxell> yep
[13:20] <Maxell> lcok again $$$$EDUPIC3,1297,13:19:12,5259.57698,00050.0
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[13:29] <malgar> !flights
[13:29] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: Current flights: 03EDUPIC3 10(afb5), 03Nova 27 10(7f1d)
[13:30] <amell> lost joey. Edupic3 v strong signal.
[13:30] <mattbrejza> !ping JOEY
[13:30] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Last contact with 03JOEY was 03a few seconds ago
[13:31] <mattbrejza> !whereis joey
[13:31] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: 03JOEY is over 03Suffolk, UK 10(52.2908,0.9795) at 033036 meters
[13:31] <amell> How many mW is edupic3? its the loudest hab ive ever heard.
[13:32] <jonsowman> !whereis joey
[13:32] <SpacenearUS> 03jonsowman: 03JOEY is over 03Suffolk, UK 10(52.29287,0.98533) at 032737 meters
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[13:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> !payload EDUPIC3
[13:39] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Payload 03EDUPIC2 10(afb5) 03$$EDUPIC3 - 03RTTY Only - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/430Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[14:24] <Fenix_> What is the fq for pava baloon over soth of sweden?
[14:25] <SA6BSS-Mike> it was 434.445, but its probaly in the water since last night
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[14:29] <Fenix_> Ok... How often are balons released?
[14:30] <fsphil> hard to say, it varies
[14:31] <Fenix_> Are we talking one a moth? More or less?
[14:32] <fsphil> quite a few this past week
[14:33] <fsphil> but yea more than a few a month would be typical for the uk, but if conditions are poor there might not be any
[14:33] <fsphil> few as in two or three
[14:33] <Fenix_> Ok... Got to get my gear set up...
[14:33] <fsphil> where are you?
[14:35] <Fenix_> Falkenberg Sweden. Middle of the west coast...
[14:36] Nick change: Fenix_ -> McLinks
[14:36] <fsphil> ah you're in a good spot to track floating flights from the UK
[14:36] <fsphil> not all flights float though
[14:37] <McLinks> So.. Changed to my normal nick...
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[14:37] <McLinks> Ok... That sound like fun... :)
[14:37] <fsphil> some from poland drift up that way too
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[14:43] <jededu> Amell its 10mw MTX2
[14:43] <SA6BSS-Mike> McLinks: jag kan följa i snitt 1 ballong var 5-6 vecka uppe från falköping, du sitter lite bättre till och kan med en bra utrustning säkert kunna dubbaldet snittet
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[14:46] <jededu> EDUPIC3 will die before sunrise
[14:47] <McLinks> SA6BSS-Mike: Det låter kul. Får håll alite koll och få upp mina grejjer i nya huset.
[14:48] <SA6BSS-Mike> trevlig! eget hus ger lite mer möjlighter!! vad har du för radio?
[14:50] <McLinks> Just nu inget roligare än en rtl-dolgel. Har haft radiohobbyn vilande ett par år. Men jag lurar på att bygga en trackande 2/70-antenn... Kul vinterprojekt att mecka med...
[14:50] <McLinks> Enough working for today.. Time to go home...
[14:50] <jededu> Its drifting a bit
[14:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> McLinks: ok, vi hörs säkert mer här på irc
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[14:58] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: EDUPIC3 is strong eh! :D
[14:58] <Maxell> Too bad I'm at revspace and had to turn off rx @ qth
[14:58] <Maxell> so only Revspace remote :)
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[15:02] <amell> getting reds now at 150.8km
[15:03] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell yes very strong 9+ here
[15:03] <amell> jededu: MTX2? not NTX2?
[15:04] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: no problem u writing someting and thats wat count
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[15:06] <SpeedEvil> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2040419302/matchstick-the-streaming-stick-built-on-firefox-os - chromecasty thing built around firefox OS - for a tenner or so
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> (if you get in now)
[15:07] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: yeah time to setup the sniper by the looks of it.
[15:07] <Maxell> !hysplit add EDUPIC3
[15:07] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: You need to be an admin to do that.
[15:08] <Maxell> >:)
[15:08] <amell> you had that ready didnt you...
[15:10] <jededu> amell yes MTX2
[15:10] <amell> jededu: its really clear, still getting greens. this is most unusual at this distance for me.
[15:10] <amell> what sort of antenna on it?
[15:11] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: i was late at home to start edupic3 i mist a lot but now he is very strong and commin to my qth lol :D
[15:11] <jededu> 1/4 wave I took a bit of time getting it right
[15:11] <amell> how did you get it right ? snipping mm at a time off?
[15:12] <jededu> Exactly :)
[15:12] <amell> seems to have paid off for sure.
[15:13] <jededu> This one doesent have any power saving EDUPIC4 does
[15:13] <amell> when are you doing solar cells and doing a bodnar?
[15:14] <amell> looks like 5 times round the world will be the mark to beat.
[15:14] <jededu> Wont even get close lol but I will try solar
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[15:18] <jededu> Im impressed with the foil 1st attempt
[15:21] <amell> first foil?
[15:21] <jededu> Yes
[15:21] <amell> custom envelopes next lol
[15:21] <jededu> It was bigger than I expected
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[15:22] <amell> qualatex 36?
[15:22] <jededu> Yes from Steve
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[15:22] <amell> any special sauce?
[15:23] <jededu> Nope straight out of thr box
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[15:31] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[16:19] <navrac_work> oops edupic3 having problems
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[16:44] <DutchMillbt> !dail EDUPIC3
[16:45] <DutchMillbt> !dial EDUPIC3
[16:45] <SpacenearUS> 03DutchMillbt: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC2 10(afb5): 03434.649 MHz, 434.64884 MHz, 434.6486 MHz, 434.64883 MHz, 144.7 MHz, 432.412 MHz, 434.65 MHz
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[17:01] <Laurenceb> can anyone help me to understand hysplit output?
[17:01] <Laurenceb> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/tdump.188742.txt
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[17:01] <Laurenceb> its isobaric but the pressure is changing?
[17:03] <myself> perhaps isobaric across the region, but the global pressure estimate updates?
[17:03] <lz1dev> isobaric for the particle, and enviroment pressure changes, so you move up and down
[17:03] <Laurenceb> global pressure?
[17:03] <lz1dev> that's how i understand it
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[17:04] <Laurenceb> so where is the pressure measured?
[17:04] <Laurenceb> it cant be at the particle?
[17:04] <Laurenceb> as its changing
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[17:05] <lz1dev> what do you mean messured?
[17:06] <lz1dev> if you put it certain altitude, it probably assumes certian pressure
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[17:06] <lz1dev> when you set isobaric, it uses that throughtout
[17:06] <Laurenceb> hmm
[17:07] <Laurenceb> then why is the pressure column changing?
[17:07] <PE2BZ> !payload joey
[17:07] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03JOEY 10(7f1d) 03$$JOEY - 03434.63 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/350Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[17:07] <lz1dev> temperature?
[17:07] <Laurenceb> its pressure in hPa
[17:07] <PE2BZ> !payload edupic3
[17:07] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03EDUPIC2 10(afb5) 03$$EDUPIC3 - 03RTTY Only - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/430Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[17:08] <Laurenceb> hmm wut
[17:08] <Laurenceb> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/tdump.188796.txt
[17:08] <Laurenceb> well float pressure hasnt changed much
[17:10] <lz1dev> maybe there is info on the noaa site
[17:10] <lz1dev> how the hysplit works
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[17:11] <aadamson> Laurenceb, seen this - http://www.arl.noaa.gov/documents/reports/hysplit_user_guide.pdf?
[17:11] <Laurenceb> ill read it
[17:12] <aadamson> https://hysplitbbs.arl.noaa.gov/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=311 - also didn't follow the thread, but title looked appropriate
[17:12] <aadamson> Laurenceb, this is the modeling system info - http://www.arl.noaa.gov/documents/reports/arl-224.pdf
[17:13] <Laurenceb> ok
[17:13] <aadamson> https://ready.arl.noaa.gov/HYSPLIT.php - all those were here
[17:14] <aadamson> anyway I just put hysplit text output in google and got all of those... ymmv with the content :)
[17:16] <DutchMillbt> PE2BZ gdn'avond buurman
[17:16] <Maxell> PE2BZ? nieuw hier?
[17:17] <DutchMillbt> Hi Jeroen
[17:18] <DutchMillbt> lost signal ?
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[17:22] <DutchMillbt> Maxell...dit you lost the edupic3 signal too?
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[17:23] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: yep completly gone @ RevSpace SDR
[17:23] <Hoebahoebahub> It's gone
[17:23] <Maxell> Last RX @ 4m 53s
[17:23] <Maxell> Last packet $$EDUPIC3,2172,17\Uffffffff\Uffffffff\Uffffffff{k_?u,"<\Uffffffffs\Uffffffff\Uffffffff
[17:25] <DutchMillbt> empty battery 'perHABs'
[17:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FALCON - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=FALCON
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[17:25] <Hoebahoebahub> Shit HABbens
[17:26] <Laurenceb> http://www.arl.noaa.gov/faq_hg12.php
[17:27] <DutchMillbt> Yep, this one is for the sharks I am afraid :-(
[17:29] <jededu> Batts dead its about right
[17:30] <Hoebahoebahub> It was about 10 hours up
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[17:30] <jededu> Yes thats about 2 hours less than I calculated
[17:32] <Hoebahoebahub> Lithium AA?
[17:32] <jededu> AAA
[17:32] <DutchMillbt> jededu well it was a nice and steady float, what kind of transmitter did you use?
[17:32] <Hoebahoebahub> ok
[17:32] <jededu> MTX2
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[17:33] <Hoebahoebahub> Partyballoon? The regular 90cm?
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[17:33] <DutchMillbt> aha..instability was caused by the low voltage of the battery
[17:34] <jededu> Yes 36inch Qualatex
[17:35] <Hoebahoebahub> Small solarpanels on the next flight ;-)
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[17:38] <jededu> EDUPIC4 has some good power saving test that next
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[17:57] <PE2BZ> dutchmillbt goedenavond !
[17:58] <PE2BZ> maxell nee, niet heel nieuw. Volg ongeveer een jaar de hab's
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[18:21] <LeoBodnar> Aethers seem to be doing great. Diurnal variations are minimal. I have not even seen them but I love them already.
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[18:33] <thasti1> evening everybody
[18:34] <thasti1> did anyone of you ever try to use the timepulse of the uBlox-M8 as a clock source for the Si4060?
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[18:39] <mikestir> my pico tracker hardware has provision for trimming the xtal oscillator with reference to the gps timepulse, but a) I haven't written the software to drive it yet, and b) it's not feeding it directly so doesn't quite answer your question
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[18:42] <thasti1> well i encountered some problems with doing it, first the voltage swing has to be lowered, which a compensated resistive divider seems to do quite well for 16mhz .. it works to some extent with ~1V swing and ac coupling, but it's not very reliable .. the si4060 sometimes just doesn't answer to the start_tx-command and locks up there :(
[18:43] <thasti1> very sad, that wouldv'e been a cheap TXCO that's onboard anyway
[18:44] <thasti1> when it works, then it does so quite well..
[18:45] <thasti1> but unusable if it only works ~20% of the time
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[18:48] <LeoBodnar> it will not work [19:34] <thasti1> did anyone of you ever try to use the timepulse of the uBlox-M8 as a clock source for the Si4060?
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[18:51] <thasti2> sry, disconnect - (20:49:11) thasti: LeoBodnar: i guess you tried?
[18:52] <LeoBodnar> yes
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[18:53] <thasti2> what's your current solution? a TCXO on board?
[18:53] <LeoBodnar> yes i am using TCXO
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[18:54] <LeoBodnar> ublox has horrendeous phase jitter
[18:55] <thasti2> i noticed that .. i set it not to lock to GPS, but output 16mhz constantly, jitter seemed not so bad then (at least it did not try to "interpolate" the correct frequency)
[18:56] <thasti2> but duty cycle was 33%:66%, because internal ref is 48mhz
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[18:57] <hightea> !dial
[18:57] <SpacenearUS> 03hightea: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[18:57] <hightea> !dial edupic3
[18:57] <SpacenearUS> 03hightea: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC2 10(afb5): 03432.649 MHz, 434.49 MHz, 434.65 MHz, 434.64884 MHz, 434.6486 MHz, 434.649 MHz
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[19:13] <nats`> hi
[19:13] <nats`> how much work is it to add a new modulation to fldigi ?
[19:13] <nats`> is there any add-on system or stuf like that ?
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[19:24] <craag_philcrump> nats`: Errr from what I've seen - I wouldn't go there..
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[19:45] <mfa298> nats`: I'd agree with craag_philcrump. you're probably much better off doing something from scratch. If you wanted something for HAB's you may be better off looking at mattbrejza's Java decoder as a starting point - or do something from scratch instead.
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[19:49] <Scott85_> evening
[19:50] <Scott85_> Just a quick question, does anybody have any experience with different RTLSDR dongles? Are they all pretty much the same or do some perform better than others?
[19:50] <Scott85_> I know they're the same chip but does the way they're put together affect them at all?
[19:51] <mfa298> there's a difference in the tuner chips which can give different ranges. R820T seems to be the better / more popular one. Originally the E4000 was the prefered (but they're no longer made)
[19:52] <mfa298> there maybe some difference inside between different ones but until you've got one you probably won't know if it's good or not.
[19:58] <Scott85_> ok, thanks, just gonna get the cheapest R820T then
[19:59] <craag_philcrump> Scott85_: If you want to improve your dongle a bit - take a look at some of G8JNJ's mods
[19:59] <craag_philcrump> He's done stuff like screening the rf section
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[20:00] <Scott85_> I saw something about that, people putting them in copper pipes etc
[20:00] <Scott85_> I'll take a look
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[20:05] <mfa298> I think I'd probably prefer the slightly larger dongles rather than the really small ones. I've found the small ones can get quite warm
[20:05] <Scott85_> you mean those micro ones?
[20:05] <Scott85_> like this? http://www.amazon.co.uk/selling-RTL-SDR-Realtek-RTL2832U-Receiver/dp/B00LGD0BVI/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1412107132&sr=8-7&keywords=r820t
[20:06] <mfa298> I've got a couple like that and the seem to get quite warm - alhough they don't always get mcuh airflow on them which doesnt help
[20:07] <Scott85_> do you think it's worthwhile spending the extra on the funcube?
[20:07] <Scott85_> just not sure it justifies the cost
[20:07] <craag_philcrump> I'd get an rtl-sdr first to play around with - then upgrade to the funcube if you find you need to
[20:07] <mfa298> the funcube is a much better receiver but the the rtl's are a decent place to start.
[20:08] <craag_philcrump> (tis what I did)
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[20:08] <Scott85_> I've got an rtl already, need another one now
[20:08] <mfa298> I prefer the rtl's more like this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cheap-DVB-T-RTL2832U-R820T-antenna/dp/B00BYQMGZG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1412107629&sr=8-2&keywords=r820t
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[20:08] <craag_philcrump> ^^ those look like the ones we use for the websdr
[20:10] <Scott85_> how many are in the websdr?
[20:10] <craag_philcrump> 5 currently
[20:10] <Upu> FCD is different league to the RTL sticks
[20:11] <mfa298> Scott85_: if you're on windows and wanting to receive too balloons then looks at sdr-radio v2. that can demodulate up to six different signals in the same bit of spectrum (2mhz for the rtl)
[20:12] <Upu> can it out put audio to different devices from different points on the waterfall ?
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[20:12] <mfa298> Upu: if you're asking about sdr-radio, yes it can
[20:12] <Upu> might have to try that
[20:13] <Upu> can it do 2 FCD's at once ?
[20:13] <mfa298> I don't have two fcd's to try with.
[20:13] <Upu> I have 3 :/
[20:13] <Upu> not boasting one was faulty
[20:13] <Upu> took 7 months to get it switched
[20:13] <Scott85_> wonder how it does that? would have thought the hardware would be restricted to tuning to one frequency
[20:14] <mfa298> Scott85_: the hardware just spits out 2mhz worth of data. the software then pulls out the bits it's interested in and demodulates that
[20:15] <Scott85_> ah right
[20:15] <Scott85_> you did say that :)
[20:18] <mfa298> If you've got the money to spend I'd definetly recommend the FCD. It's a narrower bandwidth (192khz) but has better filters, and a higher bit depth (more dynamic range) and also covers HF if you want to try some shortwave listening etc.
[20:18] <Upu> ah yes I remember now why I don't use this
[20:18] <Upu> it never sees my FCD's
[20:19] <Scott85_> but then is it not worth getting a second hand radio instead?
[20:19] <Scott85_> is the FCD as sensitive as those Yaesu radios?
[20:19] <Upu> yeah probably more so
[20:20] <Upu> I actually think the original FCD with a HABAmp is better than the FCD Pro+
[20:20] <mfa298> I can't easily tell the difference between my FT-817, TS-2000 and FCD Pro+ (no extra amps)
[20:21] <Upu> if I click selec radio mfa298 all it sees is "DVB-T Dongle"
[20:21] <Upu> 817 is a corking radio but I rarely use it these days
[20:21] <mfa298> the different devices do have their benefits (I can easily retune the 817 in the car)
[20:21] <Upu> battery life is so pants its pretty useless for in the field
[20:21] <mfa298> Upu: odd, I've not had an issue with sdr-radio and the fcd.
[20:22] <mfa298> you did use http://v2.sdr-radio.com/ rather than the old v1/v1.5 (hopefully silly question)
[20:22] <Upu> uep
[20:22] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/y3JaOIc.png
[20:23] <Upu> USB Audio Device is the original FCD
[20:23] <x-f> Upu, click "definitions", select FCD
[20:24] <Upu> bingo th
[20:24] <Upu> thx
[20:24] <Upu> typing tonight...
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[20:24] <mfa298> x-f beat me to it.
[20:25] <Upu> oh thats nice
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[20:26] <mfa298> I've still not tried them myself but I think Geoff has some rigcat files so you can get dl-fldigi to control sdr-radio as well
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[21:00] <nats`> oky thanks for answer I took a look at fldigi and it's.... special let's say that :p
[21:00] <nats`> there are many linux/bsd/mac user in the UKHAS channel ?
[21:00] <craag> linux :)
[21:01] <mfa298> a fair number of linux people I think
[21:01] <nats`> oky :)
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[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
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[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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[21:16] <Laurenceb__> who wrote the hysplit interface for the mobile tracker?
[21:16] Action: Upu points at lz1dev
[21:16] <Laurenceb__> im trying to work out how get archive data
[21:16] Action: Upu points at DanielRichman
[21:19] <DanielRichman> not me
[21:19] <Laurenceb__> you have it working?
[21:19] <Laurenceb__> oh
[21:20] <DanielRichman> if you want hysplit archive data you need to talk to someone else
[21:20] <DanielRichman> I deal with regular predictions only atm
[21:20] <Upu> ah ok
[21:20] <Upu> sorry DanielRichman
[21:20] <DanielRichman> I believe lz1dev is the correct person
[21:20] <DanielRichman> Upu: d/w
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[21:29] <LeoBodnar> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub-bin/trajasrc.pl
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[21:34] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub-bin/trajsrcm.pl
[21:34] <Laurenceb__> nasty
[21:35] <Laurenceb__> needs lots of date functions and HTTP post and stuff
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