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[00:30] <aadamson> kf7fer, here ya go :)... http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardZero
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[01:28] <mheld> any of y'all do anything with cell triangulation?
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[05:44] <det_> !dial PAVA
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[05:44] <SpacenearUS> 03det_: Latest dials for 03PAVA 10(4fb3): 03434.4957 MHz
[05:45] <det_> 434.439 MHz
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[06:08] <Upu> morning
[06:08] <Upu> 434.445
[06:09] <Upu> drifted back up
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[07:00] <Upu> yay PE2G :)
[07:00] <SA6BSS> Upu: exact dial?
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[07:01] <Upu> 434.445
[07:01] <Upu> back where it should be
[07:02] <SA6BSS> oki
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[07:10] <MaXimaN> PAVA lives!
[07:12] <MaXimaN> The cold really took a bit out of the battery voltage
[07:16] <jededu> ping upu
[07:16] <Upu> its ok not its warmed up
[07:16] <Upu> morning jededu
[07:17] <jededu> Morning just a quick question did you use eagle when you designed the board with the breakoffs
[07:17] <Upu> yes
[07:18] <jededu> I have a problem with the NPTH on the pads how did you get around it
[07:18] <Upu> just used drills ?
[07:19] <jededu> Yes thats what I did and it fails on dimension
[07:19] <Upu> its in my library the part with the holes in it
[07:21] <jededu> Whats it called
[07:22] <Upu> edge ISCP
[07:22] <Upu> ICSP
[07:22] <Upu> may not have holes in it actually
[07:22] <Upu> link me your eagle files
[07:22] <Upu> I'll have a look if you want
[07:22] <jededu> Ok thanks ill do it now
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[07:31] <jededu> upu pm
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[07:53] <LeoBodnar> interesting - 12km float http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FAETH21-9&timerange=259200&tail=259200
[07:57] <craag_philcrump> with a murican tx
[07:57] <Laurenceb__> an impostor
[07:58] <LeoBodnar> too high for qualatex. i am interested!
[07:59] <Laurenceb__> bbl
[08:01] <LeoBodnar> using BeeLine tracker so not aadamson
[08:02] <Upu> ask on GPSL
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[08:05] <MaXimaN> LeoBodnar: Perhaps an experiment by the University of Michigan? The campus is a 2 minute walk away
[08:05] <LeoBodnar> looks like them
[08:05] <LeoBodnar> > Benjamin Longmier, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor > Department of Aerospace Engineering > University of Michigan
[08:06] <LeoBodnar> > We have had another balloon up in the air for the past 54hrs looping > around the midwest and it's now headed up through Maine, New Brunswick, > Nova Scotia, and Newfoundland Island.
[08:06] <LeoBodnar> > Our transmitter batteries should go dark in in about 24hrs, but it > should make it out into the Atlantic by then, and a good part of the way > to Ireland.
[08:06] <MaXimaN> URL?
[08:10] <MaXimaN> "Dr. Ben Longmier is CEO and co-founder of Aether. He is also an Assistant Professor in the Department of Aerospace Engineering at the University of Michigan. He is developing the next generation of advanced thrusters from 10W to 200kW to enable wide access to remote destinations within the solar system."
[08:10] <MaXimaN> Now that's awesome :)
[08:11] <LeoBodnar> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/gpsl/conversations/messages/14582
[08:11] <LeoBodnar> they have launched superpressure floater last year
[08:12] <MaXimaN> Thanks
[08:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03CALLSIGN123_chase after 03a day silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=CALLSIGN123_chase
[08:14] <SA6BSS> Upu: do you think its a microleak on pava, it should go up not down at day , right?
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[08:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> good morning all
[08:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> wow pava is stil flaying
[08:32] <fsphil> oh dear
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[09:03] <Herman-PB0AHX> !flights
[09:03] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Current flights: 03TESTING BALLOONS GO UP 10(4fb3)
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[09:25] <Herman-PB0AHX> grgrgr lot of local qrm now here
[09:25] <fsphil> definitly looking like a leak
[09:26] <Herman-PB0AHX> fsphil: yes i think also slow down now
[09:29] <MaXimaN> The parachute symbol on Habitat is a dead giveaway ;)
[09:29] <MaXimaN> It did well to last the night
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[09:44] <MaXimaN> Even with the microleak that is going to be an impressive float, assuming it doesn't get any worse.
[09:46] <fsphil> yea if it's a steady -0.7m/s it'll be falling for nearly 7 hours
[09:53] <MaXimaN> With any luck it'll reach Poland
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[09:59] <Herman-PB0AHX> HE IS LANDING IN THE GARDEN OF OZ1SKY HIHIHIHI FUN
[10:00] <Herman-PB0AHX> oops capslock
[10:04] <fsphil> that would deserve many HAB points
[10:04] <Herman-PB0AHX> hihihihihihi
[10:11] <daveake> There have been a few land near number10's garden
[10:11] <gonzo_> but using HI for laughing, would lose all the point!
[10:12] <Herman-PB0AHX> mmm
[10:14] <gonzo_> it sounds very CW like!
[10:16] <fsphil> lolo
[10:16] <fsphil> which sounds like a brand of butter
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[10:30] <daveake> I can't believe it's not lolo
[10:31] <SA6BSS> hopefully as it descends it pick up some speed, it been incredible slow
[10:33] <LeoBodnar> small leak is better than big burst
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[10:43] <Upu> yup I'd call small leak
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[10:46] <LeoBodnar> did seal it well?
[10:46] <LeoBodnar> *you
[10:46] <Upu> 2 tie wraps and some gaffer
[10:47] <Upu> I suspect I've inadvertantly restarted research on pin hole floaters
[10:47] <fsphil> ye standard
[10:47] <fsphil> hah
[10:47] <fsphil> jcoxon will be pleased
[10:51] <daveake> Wasn't someone complaining about holes in Pawan 100's ?
[10:51] <Upu> dunno
[10:56] <craag_philcrump> jededu blamed a lot of his float failures on them
[10:59] <Upu> well something is bring it down, for very low values of down
[11:12] <daveake> -5.4m/s
[11:12] <daveake> a larger value of down
[11:13] <daveake> ok just a blip
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[11:18] <MaXimaN> Looks like it might float directly over OZ1SKY's house
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[11:29] <fsphil> it would need to fall a bit quicker to hit OZ1SKY
[11:30] <fsphil> oh right, the prediction is still assuming it's rising
[11:31] <fsphil> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=242fee8ceec537c38b5984c5dbda531fe869983f
[11:32] <fsphil> if -0.6m/s
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[11:32] <Upu> pretty damn close
[11:32] <fsphil> not far!
[11:33] <fsphil> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=851b026d2c6c6da45a51bd386a32029c5324173f
[11:33] <fsphil> this should be interesting :)
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[11:53] <fsphil> average over the last hour is -0.65 m/s
[11:53] <fsphil> suggests a wet landing
[11:54] <fsphil> though once it hits the lower weather, who knows what'll happen
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[12:01] <daveake> That's pretty close to Aarhus airport (been there loads of times)
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[12:15] <Maxell> Last green 13 hrs ago $$PAVA,1385,23:25:13,55.02517,2.15158,23187,6,1252,-13,08*7AC8
[12:21] <Maxell> PE2G doing magic stuff again
[12:22] <PE2G> -0.3 deg here, but occasional reds Maxell
[12:23] <PE2G> a lot of reds, in fact
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[12:24] <Herman-PB0AHX> i lost him also Maxell but writing a lot of lines
[12:24] <Upu> think Brian has left it on auto tracking as well
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[12:26] <daveake> The auto-track will probably do a 180 within seconds as it passes by :)
[12:26] <Maxell> http://i.sigio.nl/32afdf8b0cee8b9c9b95c79fda8cf530.png :P
[12:27] <SA6BSS> I´l will be in range in a few moments
[12:27] <Maxell> SA6BSS: it's not super stong.
[12:27] <mfa298> Maxell: I think you need some more copies of dl-fldigi going
[12:28] <PE2G> I'm losing it at -0.3 deg, 424 km
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[12:29] <Maxell> mfa298: this was 13 hours ago :) Out of range already.
[12:29] <craag_philcrump> ooo flattening out :)
[12:29] <mfa298> I was just looking at the task bar on that machine :p
[12:30] <Upu> yeah I'm confused
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[12:30] <Upu> wierdest flight profile ever
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[12:33] <SA6BSS> I can see it now on the waterfall
[12:36] <fsphil> not as weird as the yoyo one
[12:38] <mattbrejza> b63 did that at the start?
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[12:47] <MaXimaN> Upu: Weather effect rather than microleak perhaps?
[12:48] <MaXimaN> Or aliens. Always the aliens.
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> Aliens cause the weather
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> Photino birds.
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[12:52] <PE2G> There isn't much weather above ~12 km, just low temps
[12:52] <daveake> Does the pressure at a given altitude change much?
[12:53] <SpeedEvil> yes
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> From both wide area stuff - ground pressure changes are directly reflected - and local weather
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[12:54] <daveake> OK, so can we see if PAVA is now in a lower pressure region than before?
[12:55] <craag_philcrump> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/surface-pressure/#?tab=surfacePressureColour&fcTime=1411905600
[12:56] <craag_philcrump> not very helpful
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> As a 0th cut.
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> Balloons float at aconstant pressure, ignoring altitude
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[13:07] <MaXimaN> The changes in altitude reasonably correspond to changes in temp
[13:12] <fsphil> been in the air for nearly 20 hours
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> MaXimaN: P1V1/T1 = P2V2/T2
[13:13] <craag_philcrump> dipping again
[13:13] <fsphil> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByssGUeCMAAqMkR.jpg:large
[13:15] <craag_philcrump> temperature has also dipped
[13:16] <craag_philcrump> possibly just a warm (comparatively!) updraft for a moment?
[13:16] <craag_philcrump> from the land
[13:16] <craag_philcrump> I remember seeing this before on floaters - not so much on b-*
[13:17] <x-f> fsphil, a photo or generated imaged?
[13:18] <x-f> -d
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[13:29] <fsphil> x-f: proper photo
[13:29] <fsphil> it must be in a fairly high orbit
[13:30] <mattbrejza> for some reason i thought it was quite eliptic
[13:30] Nick change: Scorpia_ -> scorpia
[13:31] <MaXimaN> fsphil: Is that from MOM?
[13:31] <MaXimaN> nvm, just spotted the watermark :)
[13:32] <MaXimaN> Better quality than earlier images, which were a bit smeary
[13:32] <fsphil> yea they're getting better at it
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> Not bad for 50 million quid
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> It's kind of ridiculous that Apple/Google/... could do mars missions out of petty cash.
[13:35] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/66Vw6Qk.jpg
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[13:36] <fsphil> I now want to play the orbit simulator game
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[13:36] <x-f> :)
[13:38] Action: SpeedEvil imagines that game.
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> First-person chewing gum simulator.
[13:38] <mattbrejza> http://www.nowykurier.com/toys/gravity/gravity.html
[13:39] <fsphil> nooooooo
[13:40] <fsphil> don't tempt me frodo
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[13:41] <SpeedEvil> That is amusing
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> ^it needs rates
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> that is - simulationrates
[13:48] <MaXimaN> http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/news/a599817/donald-trump-makes-fred-and-rosemary-west-twitter-gaffe.html
[13:50] <nats`> <SpeedEvil> First-person chewing gum simulator. <= it exists in the fodd industry :D
[13:50] <nats`> food
[13:50] <nats`> fake mouth with servo to test resistance of food :D
[13:53] <nats`> http://books.google.fr/books?id=GVzTQKF9zdwC&pg=PA219&lpg=PA219&dq=food+testing+mouth+robot&source=bl&ots=vL01NOsgFl&sig=tX0zM_xNxyy3MgiPh83cY7QH7Us&hl=en&sa=X&ei=U2QpVMDnDsviapvFgdAB&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=food%20testing%20mouth%20robot&f=false
[14:03] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/NAO5VJu.jpg
[14:03] <fsphil> I stretched it a bit
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[14:07] <Laurenceb> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6619008/77ef92bf/knulletjes_buigen_iphone_s_in_de_applestore.html
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[14:17] <gurgalof> which freq is pava on?
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[14:47] <vincentsan> hello there
[14:47] <vincentsan> Upu, I managed to solder your UBlox7C direclty on an arduino
[14:47] <Upu> oh :/
[14:48] <vincentsan> 11g with Lipo cell ;-)
[14:48] <Upu> nice and light :)
[14:48] <Upu> pics ?
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[14:51] <vincentsan> https://s3.amazonaws.com/habhub/package.JPG
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[14:52] <vincentsan> https://s3.amazonaws.com/habhub/bare.JPG
[14:52] <Upu> impressive
[14:52] <Upu> does the GPS get lock through that foil stuff ?
[14:52] <Maxell> nice
[14:52] <vincentsan> yes, but can take a long time
[14:52] <vincentsan> 10 min
[14:52] <vincentsan> do you think I should remove it ?
[14:53] <lz1dev> don't show that to the police
[14:53] <Maxell> Might also lose GPS lock.
[14:53] <Maxell> Mid-flight.
[14:53] <Maxell> And take longer to regain lock.
[14:53] <vincentsan> I see, so no foil ?
[14:53] <Upu> not a fan I'd run it without
[14:53] <Upu> and temperature be damned what are you flying it under ?
[14:53] <vincentsan> First launch tomorrow, so I am taking all advices ;-)
[14:54] <Upu> what balloon ?
[14:54] <vincentsan> Qualatex 12 Quick Link overpressure so flight should last 30min max
[14:55] <Upu> 12" ?
[14:55] <vincentsan> yes
[14:55] <Upu> oh hell no insulation
[14:55] <vincentsan> does it have time to go so cold in 20 min ?
[14:55] <vincentsan> I tested it in the freezer until -18°C
[14:55] <Upu> its long cold soaks that are the issue
[14:56] <vincentsan> nice weather tomorrow
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[14:57] <vincentsan> In CUSF, is there a way to run the simulation just after the balloon burst ?
[14:58] <Upu> I don't think you're going to be able to accurately simulate a 12" balloon
[14:58] <Upu> just a general direction
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[14:59] <vincentsan> I see. Do you think I have any chance to find it after a 30 min flight ?
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[15:01] <vincentsan> I transmit RTTY 50 bauds 425HZ shit + RFM69 PACKET mode @ 1.2Kbps, 5kHz FDev. Somebody has had experience with this mode for long range ?
[15:02] <Upu> sure jsut drive under it won't have gone far
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[15:02] <Upu> where are you launching from ?
[15:03] <vincentsan> Near Paris. I still have to find a good spot
[15:03] <nats`> uhh vincentsan where and when
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[15:04] <Upu> post it on the list and tweet it to @f6agv
[15:04] <vincentsan> I think around 15 pm near Feucherolles (but can change the location if someones recommend me somewhere else better)
[15:04] <nats`> because I live in south of Paris
[15:05] <vincentsan> where ?
[15:05] <nats`> 91 Massy
[15:05] <nats`> and I have stuff for Lora just need to get a serial port on it to grab packet
[15:05] <vincentsan> Ah, we could test both RTTY and PACKET then
[15:06] <nats`> uhhmm wait
[15:06] <nats`> you lora is in 4XXMHz ?
[15:06] <nats`> because I have old stuff based on 1272 in 868MHz
[15:06] <vincentsan> yep, (it is not a lora but it should support it)
[15:07] <nats`> hope rf rfm69 is based on semtech lora chip in fact
[15:07] <vincentsan> ok
[15:07] <nats`> anyway I can't help so
[15:07] <vincentsan> do you launch sometimes in this area ?
[15:07] <nats`> nop I don't launch anything :)
[15:07] <Upu> lol
[15:08] <nats`> I don't have HAM license I don't want to bother with french law
[15:08] <Upu> he's just a lurker
[15:08] <nats`> and I live just in front of Orly Airport :p
[15:08] <vincentsan> Yes, lots of airports in this area
[15:08] <vincentsan> Anyway, I don't have licence either but its ISM band
[15:08] <nats`> Upu I don't tracking a little too :D
[15:09] <nats`> do
[15:10] <vincentsan> Any advice on the RFM69 packet mode ? I have set 1.2kbps & 5kHz FDev because the receiver seems to have the best sensitivity for these settings but I'm not sure
[15:10] <Upu> occasionally :)
[15:10] <Upu> yeah use RTTY :)
[15:12] <vincentsan> I do use RTTY AND the packet mode. Why do you not recommend the PACKET mode ?
[15:12] <Upu> range I think
[15:12] <Upu> try it
[15:13] <nats`> can you put the RFM69 in 868MHz packet mode ?
[15:14] <nats`> or maybe it'll break the RTTY
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[15:15] <vincentsan> I might but my antenna is for 433. I have another RFM on 868Mhz. I could sick it for the next flight
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[15:16] <vincentsan> If I ever find back my Ublox breakboard ;-)
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[15:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[15:20] <nats`> vincentsan before I need to put a serial output on my LORA 868MHz devkit but why not doing test soon
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[15:20] <nats`> for what I know 868MHz can reach many kilometer at roof level
[15:20] <nats`> so maybe it's usable for ballooning
[15:20] <nats`> (I talk about LORA modulation)
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[15:38] <fsphil> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=ae16f2082bd8678a7c59f4791141dff029030e29
[15:39] <fsphil> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=6cc8af23d475cafaabc5250290f2e5b170d508fe
[15:39] <fsphil> unless it starts falling at 1m/s, it's going to get wet
[15:39] <fsphil> or, floats again
[15:39] <fsphil> which at this point is quite possible
[15:40] <fsphil> though if it does keep floating, it'll land in that little bit of russia
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[15:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> then we need RA2FGG to show up
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[15:46] <mfa298> reading back a bit with the #ukhasnet stuff I think we got ~60km from a balloon in packet mode with the rfm69. But I don't think I'd want to trust that work. It might be safer doing standard rtty as more people can decode it and there's more scope to recover a bad signal
[15:47] <mattbrejza> we shoulda engaged the airborne repeater earlier
[15:47] <craag_philcrump> yeah
[15:47] <mattbrejza> (this is the quadcopter mounted repeater)
[15:47] <mattbrejza> well octocopter
[15:47] <craag_philcrump> hex?
[15:47] <mattbrejza> that one
[15:48] <malgar> !flights
[15:48] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: Current flights: 03TESTING BALLOONS GO UP 10(4fb3)
[15:48] <malgar> B-* removed?
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[15:57] <fsphil> BUT NOT PROPERLY GO DOWN
[15:57] <jonsowman> lol
[15:57] <fsphil> -1.2m/s
[15:58] <fsphil> this might make it
[15:59] <fsphil> no shortage of lakes in that part of the world
[16:09] <daveake> s/lakes/trees/
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[16:11] <Haxxa> hello
[16:13] <fsphil> s/trees/lakes and trees/
[16:15] <daveake> s/lakes and trees/lakes and trees and moose/
[16:15] <fsphil> who's moose?
[16:15] <daveake> that's loose?
[16:15] <fsphil> in that hoose
[16:17] <Haxxa> so anyone know anythong about microcontrollers up high?
[16:17] <Haxxa> challenges etc. with low temps
[16:19] <daveake> 1) Use some insulation 2) Use Lithiu, Energizer AAs 3) Don't worry
[16:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> What I have seen there is usuly no problem with the microcontroller, its radio and gps that goes banana due to cold temp.
[16:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> if pava land on solid ground I post a note on swe ham forum if anyones up for a foxhunt :)
[16:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> I doubt it land on land, its goning to get wet!
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[16:23] <Haxxa> Well I should admit one thing I am actually sending it to casey centre antartica but similar conditions anyway
[16:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> whats expected battery time on pava?
[16:24] <Upu> well
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[16:24] <Upu> battery took a hammering last night
[16:24] <Upu> so not the full run time of 75 hours
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[16:24] <Upu> at least another day and very probably more
[16:24] <Haxxa> g2g I will be back to discuss many things
[16:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
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[17:41] <LeoBodnar> Is AETH21-9 coming to Europe? What is the power source? What is the prediction? What are the telemtry details? Very good float profile. Shame no info. http://www.projectaether.org/main/
[17:43] <kf7fer> Last night they posted "Our transmitter batteries should go dark in in about 24hrs, but it
[17:43] <kf7fer> should make it out into the Atlantic by then, and a good part of the way
[17:43] <kf7fer> to Ireland."
[17:45] <LeoBodnar> it is probably the most significant flight in the US for the last year. shame everybody slept through it
[17:49] <kf7fer> 640gram floater too.... So it does look like fat boys can float. For a little while anyways ;-)
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[18:00] <fsphil> I wonder if it's programmed to change to 144.800
[18:00] <fsphil> or should I setup an igate on the us channel
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[18:09] <LeoBodnar> it uses BigRedBee transmitter http://www.bigredbee.com/blgps_2mhp.htm
[18:10] <LeoBodnar> "The 2 meter BLGPS is the world's first and smallest completely integrated GPS/APRS transmitter"
[18:10] <LeoBodnar> The most humble as well
[18:10] <fsphil> so it doesn't change
[18:10] <fsphil> will seutp the radio just incase
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[18:14] <fsphil> pava should be on the ground/water by now
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[18:31] <MaXimaN> An alternative type of float
[18:37] <kf7fer> LeoBodnar: An expensive piece of hardware to watch disappear over the ocean
[18:37] <myself> tellin ya, tie strings around sugar cubes as ballast, so if it skims the water for a while, some weight dissolves off the bottom, the payload's weight self-adjusts for more buoyancy, and you get an extended mission even as the envelope loses lift gas.
[18:39] <kf7fer> I like the guys who were talking about doing a flight where they ejected the spent AA batteries as they flew
[18:40] <kf7fer> idea way to ditch some dead weight
[18:40] <kf7fer> ideal* even
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[18:41] <mfa298> just as long as it's not flying over where I am as it ejects a battery (or should we call it a bullet ?)
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[18:43] <kf7fer> Couldn't you just say like when someone gets hit with a hockey puck - "some lucky fan just got a souvenir!".
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[18:46] <Ian_> " or automotive power (12-16V)", well that sure isn't a European HAB invention/feature.
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[18:47] <kf7fer> So I wonder if Aether is "Scientific Sales, Inc".
[18:47] <kf7fer> I was looking for 2000g balloons and ran across http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Weather-Balloon-2000g-white/dp/B00DWGA432
[18:48] <kf7fer> uses the Aether Industries picture, and the GPSL posts stated that he has a company that sells balloons...
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[18:49] <kf7fer> but $269? I hope that's expensive
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[19:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Puffin - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Puffin
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[20:18] <Rebounder> evening
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