highaltitude.log.20140926

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[00:25] <DL7AD> morning
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[00:48] <Ian_> Morning Sven, go to bed . . . it's good for you :)
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[00:57] <saadzmirza> Hi, I'm building a payload. I was wondering if anyone knew how much a brick of floral foam weighed. Thanks.
[01:00] <DL7AD> Ian_: i just got up....
[01:01] <saadzmirza> lol. I am in the US.
[01:04] <DL7AD> does someone use the Si4060 chip (or something similar) and a TCXO?
[01:10] <kf7fer> DL7AD: I think you can't throw a stone around here without hitting someone who's flying the Si406X so I'm sure there is somebody. Just might not be on-line right now
[01:10] <kf7fer> saadzmirza: You want to fly floral foam?
[01:10] <kf7fer> Interesting
[01:11] <kf7fer> like cut it open and insert your payload kinda fly?
[01:12] <kf7fer> are you using a brick with Maxlife? That weighs extra :-)
[01:12] <saadzmirza> Sort of. Trimming and carving will happen too.
[01:13] <kf7fer> Cool. Interesting choice, but I can see why you'd chose it
[01:13] <saadzmirza> I'm just looking for the lightest weight.
[01:13] <saadzmirza> We are going for an altitude record.
[01:13] <saadzmirza> Currently we are looking at 70ish grams for 2 layers of EPS wall insulation
[01:13] <kf7fer> Well I've been googling them and I don't see anyone quoting weight
[01:14] <saadzmirza> Yeah, same.
[01:14] <saadzmirza> I was looking for someone who'd done the same.
[01:14] <kf7fer> 70g just for insulation seems like you could do better... not that I know just...
[01:14] <DL7AD> kf7fer: yeah i know.... but as you see nobody answered so far. or do you fly the Si?
[01:15] <kf7fer> DL7AD: No, but earlier I was talking with aadamson who I know does...
[01:15] <kf7fer> I think he's AFK
[01:15] <DL7AD> yeah he is ;)
[01:15] <DL7AD> he's afk
[01:15] <saadzmirza> No, for the whole payload lol
[01:16] <saadzmirza> Hey, I kinda know that guy.
[01:16] <saadzmirza> We are actually flying one of his trackers, the Peach.
[01:16] <kf7fer> saadzmirza: whew! Sounded like heavy foam. And he's one of the reasons why I was going "70g just for foam? That's insane!"
[01:16] <kf7fer> his stuff is very light weight
[01:16] <saadzmirza> Yeah, or an enormous payload.
[01:17] <kf7fer> I'd be curious if you find something lighter. I was looking at some pink stuff that didn't look too heavy
[01:17] <saadzmirza> We have his tracker, an 808HD camera, and power for approximately 5 hours on the camera, 2 days on the tracker.
[01:17] <saadzmirza> Pink stuff?
[01:17] <kf7fer> yeah some foam I got as a shipping insert. Not sure where it comes from
[01:18] <kf7fer> so about the 808HD... you have it far away from the tracker? I've been wanting to fly one but I keep hearing horror stories
[01:18] <saadzmirza> http://www.trainelectronics.com/artcles/foam_article/images/foam_label.JPG?
[01:18] <saadzmirza> http://www.trainelectronics.com/artcles/foam_article/images/foam_label.JPG
[01:18] <saadzmirza> First one is dead
[01:19] <kf7fer> As a model railroad guy I was going to ask if you'd tried that stuff ;-)
[01:19] <kf7fer> works great for scenery on modules
[01:19] <saadzmirza> Never mind. His GPS ceramic chip antenna is at one end. Camera is within 1 inch, but is on the opposite side.
[01:19] <saadzmirza> We are also faradaying it in aluminum foil. It worked before for another tracker.
[01:20] <saadzmirza> We haven't tried it yet.
[01:20] <saadzmirza> We are using this:
[01:20] <saadzmirza> Our foam payload alone is 7.2 grams currently, carved, but not taped or glued or anyhting
[01:20] <saadzmirza> http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/300/22/22d62290-0937-4f28-b756-3f548bb1b269_300.jpg
[01:21] <kf7fer> So your just looking at possible alternatives?
[01:21] <saadzmirza> Yep.
[01:21] <saadzmirza> Not sure if we can get much lighter than 7.2g.
[01:21] <saadzmirza> What do you think.
[01:21] <saadzmirza> Here's a pic of what we have right now:
[01:22] <kf7fer> I think you're right that 7.2g isn't very much. But didn't aadamson fly with only heat-shrink? Wouldn't that be even lighter?
[01:22] <saadzmirza> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10410666_1558211524407659_4536416972289227251_n.jpg?oh=b165639cef3fb7c819cbaa0f567dc9c0&oe=54CC9A30&__gda__=1418279695_4f4db7b7311918ac82f32eeacaf589e5
[01:23] <saadzmirza> We have heat shrink too, but keep in mind we also have a camera.
[01:23] <Ian_> I have a box of green floral foam in the garage at the bottom of the garden . . . the blocks will of course weigh more if you hit a shower and it isn't very strong at all.
[01:23] <kf7fer> didn't think of rain
[01:23] <Ian_> And it's almost 0230 here
[01:23] <saadzmirza> Also, I'm not sure which rev he used. This is Rev1, only certified to -20C. We are aiming for 45km :P, not a pico flight
[01:23] <saadzmirza> Maybe it's not a very good material then.
[01:24] <saadzmirza> I was talking about the dry foam though, the wet foam is absorbant,
[01:24] <saadzmirza> There's an identical block of foam which fits over top.
[01:24] <kf7fer> right. Looks pretty small. Very nice
[01:25] <saadzmirza> Thanks.
[01:25] <Ian_> I suspect that it would shatter on impact. You mean you were referring to the grey Oasis, not the green Oasis blocks? Not got any of them and not aware of their structural strength - if any - but can't be up to much.
[01:25] <kf7fer> I assume you're flying L91's and the current battery isn't what your using, is it?
[01:25] <saadzmirza> L92 for tracker.
[01:26] <kf7fer> the other for the camera?
[01:26] <saadzmirza> L91 + modified LiPower acting as Vbooster from 1.5v to 3.7v on camera
[01:26] <saadzmirza> LiPower is from sparkfun
[01:26] <kf7fer> ah, ok. No LiPoly due to the altitude?
[01:26] <saadzmirza> It uses
[01:26] <kf7fer> TPS6120x?
[01:26] <saadzmirza> Yep. Inefficient at cold
[01:26] <saadzmirza> Yep
[01:27] <Ian_> What does the tracker and cameras weigh, without a box?
[01:27] <kf7fer> 62g?
[01:27] <kf7fer> 70 - 7.2?
[01:27] <saadzmirza> Well, currently with the foam enclosure it is 56g
[01:27] <saadzmirza> I was guessing something like 70g because of tape and glue and stuff, but it probably an overestimation.
[01:28] <kf7fer> ah ok. Just trying to keep up ;-)
[01:28] <SpeedEvil> -45C test chamber. http://www.hotpoint.co.uk/products/-/products/F079289
[01:28] <SpeedEvil> :)
[01:28] <saadzmirza> Also, we are going to shorten the connector runs, possibly use a lighter wire for the dipole, and MAYBE un-shrink-wrap
[01:28] <Ian_> Could you get away with a small bag made from that expanded eurethane that is used to pack stuff from China?
[01:29] <saadzmirza> Smart idea, but it wouldn't look pretty.
[01:29] <saadzmirza> I'm not sure I would test the thermal insulative properties. Only way to find out would be to buy the test chamber lol.
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[01:29] <Ian_> Pretty, workable, high altitude. Choose any two of three :)
[01:29] <mchlkf> Howdy all
[01:30] <saadzmirza> Lol
[01:30] <saadzmirza> Hello mchlf
[01:30] <saadzmirza> *mchlkf
[01:30] <Ian_> I thought you were being recommended to buy a freezer for a source of the foam insulation . . . :)
[01:31] <saadzmirza> that would be some expensive foam!
[01:31] <saadzmirza> By the way, I never answered your question Ian_
[01:31] <Ian_> Honey, the freezer doesn't seem to be working properly . . . very expensive!
[01:31] <mchlkf> Stumbled on this place after a friend and I got drunk one night and said "shall we build some cool shit?"
[01:32] <saadzmirza> lol.
[01:32] <mchlkf> Eventually decided on launching a balloon to get some stratosphere pics. Both total beginners, lol.
[01:32] <saadzmirza> 56g - 7g = 49g of stuff Ian_
[01:32] <saadzmirza> mchlkf Are you a ham?
[01:32] <saadzmirza> By that I mean amateur radio operator
[01:33] <mchlkf> saadzmirza: Nope. Had a bit of interest in it but never got into it really
[01:33] <Ian_> Ham = actor. Radio amateur = radio amateur . . . Lol
[01:33] <mchlkf> I have a friend who's licensed
[01:33] <kf7fer> mchlkf: you in the US?
[01:33] <Ian_> A licence comes in handy from time to time when you want to test things.
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[01:33] <mchlkf> kf7fer: England
[01:33] <saadzmirza> Well, you could get him invovled with the project, but if you want to keep it simple and don't really care about super crazy altitudes, you can easily reach 30km
[01:34] <saadzmirza> In England, you can't even use the ham frequencies, can you?
[01:34] <kf7fer> oh. I was just going to suggest that getting a license allows you to use the pre-existing APRS network to track your flights. Which can be a major bonus. But only if you're in the US
[01:34] <mchlkf> We have some really draconian laws which prevent even a licensed amateur radio operator from transmitting ordinary HAM stuff from an airborne craft
[01:34] <saadzmirza> Doesn't seem logical.
[01:34] <mchlkf> I'd be looking at using UHF line of sight tracking. Our target altitude is 30,500m
[01:34] <mchlkf> or 100k feet
[01:35] <saadzmirza> What's your budget?
[01:35] <Ian_> Not airborne, but look what the regs have spawned . . .a good system although APRS is needed to go global - as yet :)
[01:35] <saadzmirza> Are there non-ham public use UHF bands in England?
[01:35] <mchlkf> We're planning for about 375 USD but that's flexible
[01:36] <kf7fer> Ian_: I'll have to admit that the guys in the UK do some amazing low power stuff so in that regard, it's been great
[01:36] <kf7fer> I never would have thought that 10mW was so much
[01:36] <mchlkf> We've already spent £25 each on an Arduino kit to start learning/messing with stuff. But not sure we can necessarily count that whole cost towards the balloon project
[01:36] <saadzmirza> With LOS at altitude, it is
[01:36] <SpeedEvil> kf7fer: it's great, if you have clean local area
[01:36] <kf7fer> the perfect environment for radio right?
[01:37] <SpeedEvil> kf7fer: a few nanowatts of local interference, and you're screwed
[01:37] <kf7fer> SpeedEvil: You're talking about interference?
[01:37] <SpeedEvil> yes
[01:37] <mchlkf> Anyone seen/had experience with one of these? http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/
[01:37] <kf7fer> bummer. That would suck
[01:37] <kf7fer> and I'm sure you can find someone here who's used that ;-) (or even designed it)
[01:37] <saadzmirza> Alright well, I have some work to do guys. Night from the USA
[01:38] <kf7fer> Isn't that Upu's?
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[01:38] <Ian_> Gnite.
[01:38] <Ian_> Yes, Upu, flown by Daveakerman
[01:39] <Ian_> All tucked up at the moment though.
[01:39] <mchlkf> oh yeah, they're both here! sweet
[01:39] <mchlkf> Good to know I've found the right channel then. I haven't used IRC in years and decided I should get back on
[01:39] <kf7fer> you picked the right place mchlkf
[01:39] <mchlkf> Impossible to remember all the channels I used to frequent.
[01:40] <mchlkf> Ever feel like there's probably a channel on whatever you're thinking at a given point, but don't know where to look for it?
[01:40] <kf7fer> and I can't tell you how many great ideas I've had when I was drunk ;-)
[01:40] <mchlkf> Haha. same. I should probably write them down.
[01:40] <Ian_> Lots of smart guys here. Shame I'm not in the same league, but learning to learn new tricks every day
[01:41] <kf7fer> I agree on all counts. I've learned so much just lurking here
[01:41] <Ian_> This document shows what can be used. http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/spectrum/spectrum-policy-area/spectrum-management/research-guidelines-tech-info/interface-requirements/IR_2030-june2014.pdf
[01:41] <kf7fer> though from my posts you wouldn't know it ;-)
[01:42] <Ian_> It's pretty much harmonised throughout the EU.
[01:42] <kf7fer> light reading eh?
[01:43] <kf7fer> So everything that fly's has to be license exempt?
[01:43] <kf7fer> flies?
[01:44] <mchlkf> Pretty much kf7fer. Obviously there are different rules for planes and such :p
[01:44] <mchlkf> But your average licensed amateur radio operator can only transmit from the ground.
[01:44] <Ian_> I think there is a bit of poetic licence goes on. APRS using amateur radio rules of the countries flown over, but over international waters that should preclude it . . . mute point
[01:45] <mchlkf> Ian_: I'd thought about the possibility of launching elsewhere. But as mentioned most EU law is in sync, and over water sounds risky. There's gonna be a camera in there ;)
[01:45] <mchlkf> And any further afield would stretch our budget somewhat, haha
[01:46] <SpeedEvil> An interesting question is what reciprocities are involved.
[01:46] <SpeedEvil> The case of afrenchman broadcasting over france are likely simple
[01:46] <SpeedEvil> But - do the powers actually exist to fine someone from England doing the same?
[01:47] <SpeedEvil> s/fine/prosecute/...
[01:47] <Ian_> Sometimes it doesn't seem wise to ask too many questions about the nicer details of callsigns etc if using amateur radio.
[01:47] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[01:47] <kf7fer> SpeedEvil: Well you know, there was a time when it was amazing to fly a payload from the US across the vast ocean to the cultural desert that is the Europe. Now thanks to some people, it's common place to do so (tongue in cheek and all)
[01:47] <Ian_> Ooops, didn't expect it to do that - sorry, got to be good for at least one flight and a smacked wrist
[01:48] <kf7fer> oops... not "the Europe"... Europe
[01:48] <SpeedEvil> i suspect the 'proper' answer is horribly messy and would not be properly sorted out without high court cases in every territory overflown
[01:48] <SpeedEvil> kf7fer: :)
[01:49] <Ian_> Leo seems to be doing for near space what NASA and others have been doing for Loe Earth Orbits (LEO) clutter . . . :) I think he just built the balloon equivalent of the horn of plenty that keeps on giving.
[01:49] <kf7fer> So really once you could argue that we need to be flexible, but I think Leo has shown that if you can't do it right you are simply not trying
[01:50] <SpeedEvil> i suspect he would have taken a 10 quid bet that it would not last the week at the outset
[01:52] <SpeedEvil> I guess there is a small chance that B64'l be picked up around monday in the states.
[01:52] <Ian_> I think that if the envelope isn't being pushed gently then regulations would never change.
[01:53] <SpeedEvil> Leo is generally not pushing the envelope in other than a technical manner
[01:53] <SpeedEvil> In that in most countries, balloons so light and small are exempt from regulation
[01:54] <Ian_> Can you imagine being taken to court over a 10mW transmitter. the press would have a field day and it would get laughed out.
[01:55] <SpeedEvil> 10mW jammers have been prosecuted
[01:55] <Ian_> In EU pico balloons are unregulated, as long as their dimension doesn't exceed 2m in any direction throughout the flight. Some countries seem to use weight as the criterion.
[01:56] <Ian_> SpeedEvil, jamming is malicious. balloons tend to be transient and begnine
[01:56] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[01:57] <SpeedEvil> In principle, ~1000 balloons of Leos type, with a simple payload could wipe out civilian GPS globally
[01:57] <SpeedEvil> But there are far more interesting things to do
[01:58] <Ian_> Looks for large roll of EVOH plastic film
[01:59] <SpeedEvil> REmember - there are limits.
[01:59] <SpeedEvil> You can only launch a certain number of picos.
[01:59] <SpeedEvil> 10000 per square kilometer per 15 min
[02:01] <Ian_> I suspect that a concerted connected or chequerboard kilometer square launches could create havoc and have the regs looked at more closely if it happened a couple of times.
[02:03] <SpeedEvil> well - yes. :)
[02:03] <SpeedEvil> I mean if you're actually going at 10 million balloons a day - while being completely legal - probably
[02:04] <Ian_> Parliamentary questions!
[02:05] <SpeedEvil> That's - over a year - if silvered - a 50*50km patch of balloons reflecting incident solar light.
[02:05] <Ian_> Sure it happened with Blue Peter the BBC kids program when they started collecting aluminium cans many years ago. Disrupted the balance of the aluminium industry at the time
[02:06] <Ian_> That's a lot of unatributed radar blips. Best not to be working ATC radar that day.
[02:07] <Ian_> Gotta go stir some syrup, feeding for next years crop of drones perhaps :)
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[09:21] <fsphil> http://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/images/2014/09/comet_on_24_september_navcam/14840362-1-eng-GB/Comet_on_24_September_NavCam.jpg
[09:21] <fsphil> sweet
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[10:13] <Trieste> that's beautiful
[10:15] <craag_philcrump> scary contrast on light/shadow
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[10:35] <fsphil> I like that due to the weird shape, some of the shadowed areas are illuminated by other bits of the comet
[10:35] <fsphil> it would be quite a sight from the surface
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[12:58] <ScottM85> hi
[12:59] <ScottM85> so I've got my arduino transmitting rtty reliably now, had it running for 5 days and all looks good
[12:59] Action: SpeedEvil ponders.
[12:59] <fsphil> nice
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> Does err. Philae actually ahve a camera?
[12:59] <ScottM85> just wondering, where do you all get your Helium from?
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> ScottM85: primarily supernovae.
[12:59] <fsphil> SpeedEvil: several
[12:59] <ScottM85> lol
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> ScottM85: a limited amount from big bang nucleosynthesis.
[12:59] <fsphil> SpeedEvil: the photos of rosetta's solar panels where from the lander
[12:59] <ScottM85> thanks, I'll head right over to one then
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: ah
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> ScottM85: Where are you?
[13:00] <ScottM85> Nottingham
[13:00] <ScottM85> shall I just Google it? you don't have any deals with any company?
[13:01] <ScottM85> thought you would have a preferred supplier or something
[13:01] <edmoore> no
[13:01] <edmoore> 'you' imples an entity
[13:01] <edmoore> alas
[13:01] <ScottM85> good point
[13:01] <edmoore> try your local BOC, Air Prodicts, Balloon Helium, party shop, whoever
[13:02] <ScottM85> ok, will do
[13:02] <fsphil> first flight I got gas from a university for free (yay)
[13:02] <ScottM85> also, is it practical to launch balloons in Winter in the UK or is it better to wait until Summer?
[13:02] <fsphil> second flight from a company that does weddings
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[13:03] <edmoore> yes, when i was at university we got all our He for frizzle from BOC
[13:03] <fsphil> after that I just got a BOC account
[13:03] <edmoore> don't rule out hydrogen either ScottM85
[13:03] <edmoore> much cheaper
[13:03] <edmoore> the purpose of this channel is to stir-fry ideas in the strategy wok
[13:03] <fsphil> up-front costs are a bit higher for H2 though
[13:03] <ScottM85> yes, I was thinking that but worried about the safety of it
[13:04] <fsphil> but it pays for itself quite quickly after that
[13:04] <mattbrejza> you mean i cant use garden hose for hydrogen filling?
[13:04] <edmoore> it's not that dangerous
[13:04] <edmoore> flammability is a secondary concern to dealing with high pressure gases, i think
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> Or if you're really cheap.
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> Natural gas.
[13:05] <edmoore> no
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> Yes, it only has half the lift, but a cubic meter is 50p
[13:06] <mattbrejza> http://www.boconlineshop.com/shop/en/uk/Equipment-Accessories/Regulators/ryval-single-stage-two-gauge-regulator
[13:06] <ScottM85> ok, will check them all out, thanks
[13:06] <mattbrejza> would the acetyline one be fine for hydrogen?
[13:07] <mattbrejza> otherwise http://www.boconlineshop.com/shop/en/uk/Equipment-Accessories/Regulators/boc-8500-series-hydrogen-%28h2%29-regulator
[13:07] <ScottM85> also, the Winter question, do people launch in Winter in the UK or is it not feasible?
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> It's quite feasibe
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> high wind launches are however a real problem
[13:08] <SpeedEvil> As a restrained balloon does not have zero lift.
[13:08] <mattbrejza> depends on the winter, last winter wasnt a great winter for low winds
[13:08] <SpeedEvil> This makes it nearly impossible to work out how full it neds to be
[13:08] <craag_philcrump> And even just holding the balloon can be challenging in wind
[13:09] <ScottM85> hmmm ok, will have to play it by ear, probably won't have everything ready before Winter though
[13:09] <edmoore> it's a weather problem rather than a season problem ScottM85
[13:10] <SpeedEvil> Though prevailing winds can change somwhat with season
[13:10] <ScottM85> OK, this will actually my first Winter in the UK so not sure what to expect :)
[13:11] <mattbrejza> noone does
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=ffe7d1ed1bb63fbd775fdc31d92a86a7ba0da2a5
[13:11] <ScottM85> I just get told that it's horrible though lol
[13:11] <edmoore> ScottM85, grey and rain
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> ScottM85: It's been very variable.
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> ScottM85: Much more so than in the past
[13:12] <ScottM85> haha, that prediction!
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/anomacts/ - is an interesting site
[13:15] <fsphil> we seem to either get lots of snow, or none at all
[13:15] <fsphil> http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/cookstown/
[13:16] <fsphil> not sure landing in lockerbie would be appropriate
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/summaries/anomacts - is the more recent one
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[13:27] <ScottM85> that's quite interesting, looks like it could go either way
[13:27] <edmoore> where in the uk are you? that affects climate quite a lot
[13:28] <ScottM85> Nottingham
[13:28] <edmoore> oh yeah you said
[13:28] <ScottM85> looking at that site it seems Nottingham does alright weather wise
[13:28] <edmoore> yep
[13:29] <fsphil> https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3919/14999812157_dbac4557dc_o.jpg
[13:29] <ScottM85> whereabouts are you?
[13:29] <edmoore> oxford
[13:29] <mattbrejza> oooh colour now
[13:30] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:30] <fsphil> wonder if that's stretched, like the colour photos of the moon
[13:30] <ScottM85> what is it?
[13:30] <ScottM85> I mean where
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[13:31] <fsphil> that's comet 67p
[13:32] <edmoore> that's just its nickname
[13:32] <edmoore> it's real name is Churyumov¬ĖGerasimenko
[13:32] <edmoore> its*
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[13:34] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: where is that colour?
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: i've not seen any of the official releases in any other then mono
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[13:54] <qyx_> hm, there is some noise
[13:54] <qyx_> red and blue dots
[13:57] <fsphil> SpeedEvil: yea I can't find where that came from
[13:58] <edmoore> i presume it's a reconstruction from beyer
[13:58] <edmoore> which often has that sort of rgb abberation quality
[13:59] <fsphil> rosetta does have a colour camera so it could be real
[13:59] <edmoore> bayer*
[13:59] <edmoore> oh that's snazz
[14:00] <fsphil> it really does look like a dirty snowball
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[14:02] <qyx_> a nice place to live on
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[14:03] <SpeedEvil> IT's actually quite old
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> https://www.tineye.com/search/635f22e8e74490c0e33011559f57ea1b665cb050/?sort=crawl_date&order=asc
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> Indicates that the original was taken on the 9th
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[14:03] <qyx_> http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Missions/Rosetta
[14:03] <qyx_> there are some
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images/2014/09/Comet_on_5_September_2014
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[15:24] <fsphil> the colour in that photo isn't real sadly
[15:24] <fsphil> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunexit/14999812157/
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> Need funding?
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/russians-capture-cigarette-smuggling-drone/
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[15:44] <Laurenceb> anyone here any good with git?
[15:45] <Laurenceb> i deleted some files by mistake
[15:45] <Laurenceb> so i need to move back to the last head
[15:45] <Laurenceb> dunno how to do this
[15:45] <nats`> checkout ?
[15:45] <nats`> or you already commited ?
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[15:46] <Laurenceb> i dont know
[15:46] <Laurenceb> no i dont think so
[15:46] <Laurenceb> i just deleted some files
[15:46] <Laurenceb> havent done anything else since
[15:47] <craag_philcrump> git reset --hard HEAD
[15:48] <craag_philcrump> you will lose all other changes
[15:48] <mattbrejza> or checkout the individual file to save reseting everything else
[15:48] <Laurenceb> ive fixed it using checkout
[15:48] <bertrik> or git checkout .
[15:48] <edmoore> reset hard is a bit violent
[15:49] <craag_philcrump> cheers bertrik, will keep that in mind
[15:49] <craag_philcrump> heh, coworker often breaks his git, reset hard is often required :/
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[15:50] <edmoore> i don't think git checkout . will get it from HEAD
[15:50] <edmoore> i think it'll get it from the staging area
[15:52] <mattbrejza> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Rfw8LSMjWuA/UEa7G81Zp3I/AAAAAAAACi8/L9E8cNmaqjE/s1600/git-goodparts-move.png
[15:52] <costyn> mattbrejza: I'm still confused :P
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[15:52] <edmoore> just a monoid in the category of endofunctors
[15:53] <edmoore> and yes that diagram i think supports why i think git checkout . wouldn't work
[15:53] <mattbrejza> http://hub.qgis.org/attachments/download/4015
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[17:39] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[17:40] <gb73d> hi
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[17:52] <Laurenceb> hmf
[17:52] <Laurenceb> i think i have a problem with git
[17:52] <Laurenceb> its saying the working directory is clean when it isnt
[17:52] <Laurenceb> ooh now its erroring
[17:52] <Laurenceb> fatal: unable to read files to diff
[17:53] <Laurenceb> wtf
[17:53] <Laurenceb> anyone got any ideas?
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[17:55] <Laurenceb> everything is local
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[18:00] <thasti> you have to try hard to break git
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[18:01] <thasti> backup and try git reset --hard
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[19:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03pb0ahx_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=pb0ahx_chase
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[20:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03pb0ahx_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=pb0ahx_chase
[20:50] <edmoore> someone should chase in a balloon
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