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[00:09] <amell> that pic is a discovery
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[00:41] <amell> lol all working now. i had the tx and rx rfms set up for different frequencies. doh.
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[01:58] <Ian__> All is well as long as you arrive at the correct solution without any smoke. :)
[02:02] <ulfr> But where's the fun in that?
[02:14] <Ian__> Smoke isn't good for your health and causes a great gnashing of teeth.
[02:14] <Ian__> Looks like the Western Isles want to stay in the UK
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[02:32] <DL7AD__> good morning!
[02:33] Nick change: DL7AD__ -> DL7AD
[02:34] <ulfr> good morning to you DL7AD !
[02:34] <DL7AD> morning ulfr
[02:34] <DL7AD> ulfr: are you still awake or already awake?
[02:35] <ulfr> I can't remember, ask me tomorrow.
[02:35] <ulfr> I've been awake since tuesday so..
[02:35] <DL7AD> rofl....
[02:35] <DL7AD> i recently got up for my launch today
[02:35] <ulfr> I catched the flu, and haven't been able to sleep.
[02:36] <ulfr> so yeah...
[02:37] <DL7AD> could anybody swipe all the data of D-6?
[02:38] <DL7AD> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/RDY_T.swf?dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_187609&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html
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[04:37] <Rebounder> morrn!
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[04:51] <x-f> mornn!
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[04:55] <x-f> DL7AD solar balloon launch in two hours, neat
[05:07] <Rebounder> And he went to sleep 4:30..
[05:08] <Rebounder> B66 should hopefully wkae up about know
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[05:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> give it another hour or so to wake up
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[05:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BC03 after 038 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=BC03
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[06:52] <Maxell> Wake up, B-66. Wake up. :)
[07:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> it woke up 6,42 and 6,56 last couple of days so it should be around now.
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[07:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VK3YT after 03a day silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK3YT
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[07:40] <DutchMillbt> !flight ALMA-2
[07:40] <SpacenearUS> 03DutchMillbt: Flight 10(ff26): 03ALMA-2 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 09:00 from 03Lopik, The Netherlands 10(52,5)
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[07:51] <rg7kl> Hi all, at what frequency works STS-13 ???
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[07:56] <SA6BSS-Mike> STS- 13 is dead since last evening
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[07:56] <DL7AD> hi
[08:01] <amell> surprised nothing from B-66 yet. should have woken up about 7.30 at the latest.
[08:02] <DL7AD> we coulnt launch D-6so far because there's no sun
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[08:04] <amell> downside of a solar balloon.
[08:05] <amell> arduino question: is it possible to use SPI on pins OTHER than 10,11,12,13?
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[08:06] <daveake> yes, no and yes, and no
[08:06] <amell> that helps thank you...
[08:06] <daveake> H/W SPI is on 11-13. SS you do yourself so can be any other output pin
[08:07] <daveake> Or you can do it in s/w
[08:07] <daveake> (if you're mad)
[08:07] <amell> im looking at the gammon solution, http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=11329 and wondering if i can mod it to use diff pins.
[08:07] <fsphil> why can't you use the hardware pins?
[08:08] <amell> cos RFM is connected to those
[08:08] <daveake> so ?
[08:08] <daveake> You know what SS does?
[08:08] <amell> yes, select pin
[08:08] <daveake> Correct
[08:09] <daveake> So you use a separate pin for the SS on your other device
[08:09] <fsphil> the designers of SPI thought ahead to your very problem :)
[08:09] <amell> and just piggyback the other pins. i guess.
[08:09] <daveake> connect the h/w SPI pins to both
[08:09] <daveake> and don't use both devices at the same time
[08:09] <daveake> That's how it's designed to work
[08:10] <daveake> So my turbossdv has 2 rfm98's on 1 SPI bus with 2 SS lines
[08:10] <amell> im wondering if i2c would be a little easier.
[08:10] <fsphil> not really
[08:10] <fsphil> just different
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[08:11] <daveake> fewer pins but not easier
[08:11] <Maxell> heheh
[08:11] <fsphil> it uses addresses rather than the SS lines
[08:11] <amell> yeah, its just that the rfm is all soldered in.
[08:13] <Maxell> snip the ss line
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[08:30] <daveake> Maxell ?
[08:30] <daveake> He uses a separate SS line for the other device
[08:30] <daveake> and daisy chains mosi/miso/clk
[08:32] <DutchMillbt> !flight ALMA-2
[08:32] <SpacenearUS> 03DutchMillbt: Flight 10(ff26): 03ALMA-2 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 09:00 from 03Lopik, The Netherlands 10(52,5)
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[08:57] <tjanos> Good morning!
[08:57] <tjanos> Sven. are you here?
[08:59] <DutchMillbt> Good morning ALMA_marcel
[09:01] <ALMA_Marcel> goodmorning, we're waiting for the mist to disappear. We'll launch from Moerdijk area
[09:02] <tjanos> We plan to launch tomorrow one or two pico ballon. Are there anybody can approve our docs?
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[09:03] <tjanos> Hello Peter
[09:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Best to ask in #habhub and give the flghtbdoc id
[09:04] <tjanos> Thanks, I try it on #habhub...
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[09:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> ib-66 is trying to transmitt, its its sound verry ruff
[09:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> the beebs
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[09:16] <Maxell> ALMA_Marcel: costyn launched there too!
[09:16] <amell> you can hear?
[09:17] <Maxell> https://revspace.nl/HAB_launch_2
[09:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> well I usuly not having any transmitions on 434.500, and noe its a ruff 2 tone
[09:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> il try make a recording
[09:17] <amell> 2 tone? any chance it is 2 beeps?
[09:18] <amell> spacing?
[09:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> maby a underpowerd transkitter
[09:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> have to make dinner, back in 20
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[09:28] <ALMA_Marcel> Still misty, postponing launch to 12:30 - 13:00 time frame
[09:29] <ALMA_Marcel> the good thing is there is not a lot of win
[09:29] <ALMA_Marcel> d
[09:33] <DutchMillbt> ALMA_marcel 12.30 local time?
[09:33] <ALMA_Marcel> yes, not earlier
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[09:34] <DutchMillbt> oke good luck ..waht is your exact location by the way (lat/lon)
[09:34] <DutchMillbt> what
[09:34] <Maxell> ALMA_Marcel: not sure if that helps... Has been misty all week :P
[09:35] <Maxell> Tjalling_PE1RQM: PH3V: "11:28:45 < ALMA_Marcel> Still misty, postponing launch to 12:30 - 13:00 time frame"
[09:35] <Maxell> (local time)
[09:36] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> ok, tnx. good morning btw
[09:36] <Maxell> Hai
[09:37] <PH3V> GM all
[09:37] <Maxell> jarod: ping "11:28:45 < ALMA_Marcel> Still misty, postponing launch to 12:30 - 13:00 time frame"
[09:37] <Maxell> !payload ALMA-2
[09:37] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03ALMA-2 10(ff26) 03$$ALMA-2 - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/500Hz ASCII-7 none 2
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[09:42] <DutchMillbt> moguu'
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[09:44] <ALMA_Marcel> aprox launch will be from 51.693198 4.645789
[09:44] <ALMA_Marcel> there is some sunshine coming according to http://zomerradar.buienradar.nl
[09:46] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I see the sun coming through the clouds here in the middle of the Netherlands
[09:46] <amell> a hot air gun may help?
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[09:46] <PH3V> Cloudy in Roosendaal .. Grey sky.
[09:47] <fsphil> dull here too
[09:47] <fsphil> the weather also sucks
[09:50] <DutchMillbt> ALMA_Marcel what type of balloon do you use for this flight.. and what's the expected burst level?
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[09:52] <PA3WEG> Mogge
[09:52] <DutchMillbt> mogguu Wouter
[09:52] <Maxell> hoi PA3WEG
[09:52] <PH3V> Team is drinking coffee at Kanters, Moerdijk (wegrestaurant) ;-)
[09:52] <Maxell> "11:28:45 < ALMA_Marcel> Still misty, postponing launch to 12:30 - 13:00 time frame"
[09:52] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> mogge wouter
[09:52] <PH3V> GM!
[09:54] <craag_philcrump> PH3V: Remember the pre-launch bacon! ;)
[09:54] <PH3V> :))
[09:55] <Maxell> No chase car yet? :)
[09:55] <daveake> "launch bacon" http://www.fayettevilleflyer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/bazooka-crop.jpg
[09:57] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> That is smoked bacon Dave
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[10:02] <listner> !FLIGHT
[10:03] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[10:03] <SpacenearUS> 03listner: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:03] <listner> !flight ALMA-2
[10:03] <SpacenearUS> 03listner: Flight 10(ff26): 03ALMA-2 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 09:00 from 03Lopik, The Netherlands 10(52,5)
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[10:06] <Ron_G8FJG> just for info ...Surprising Dip in Stratospheric Radiation during Solar Storm...http://spaceweather.com/
[10:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> the "beebs" newer came back, stoped after a few minutes
[10:22] <ALMA_Marcel> launch between 13:00 and 13:30 worst case
[10:22] <ALMA_Marcel> we're starting preps now
[10:22] <ALMA_Marcel> talk again after launch
[10:24] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Good luck!
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[10:27] <pd7r> good luck
[10:27] <Maxell> woot
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[10:29] <amell> SA6BSS-Mike: how far apart were the beebs?
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[10:53] <DL7AD> we did cancel the launch of D-6 due to there has been no sun at all
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[10:57] <x-f> sorry to hear that
[10:57] <SpeedEvil> :/
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> DL7AD: planning on a re-attempt - or likely wait till spring?
[10:58] <mfa298> no sun, that sounds like a British problem :)
[11:00] <DL7AD> we will do it probably next week
[11:03] <DL7AD> but next week also looks not good for launching a solar balloon
[11:03] <DL7AD> so far
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[11:12] <MaXimaN> Interesting
[11:12] <MaXimaN> B-64's voltage also not topping out
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[11:27] <PE2G> Bad QRM here on 434.65
[11:27] <DutchMillbt> damn..
[11:27] <PE2G> This is probably the worst freq of them all
[11:29] <PA3WEG> The work array is still in use, now only using small vertical :S
[11:29] <PA3WEG> reasonable QRM levels here though...
[11:29] <PA3WEG> launch is from Dordrecht area?
[11:29] <PE2G> Moerdijk
[11:30] <PA3WEG> OK, I hope I will be able to track, I may have a meeting coming up
[11:31] <PA3WEG> I can play with the parking positions, that may point to the balloon by accident ;)
[11:34] <Maxell> No QRM @ home qth and remote @ RevSpace
[11:34] <PE2G> Congrats Maxell
[11:34] <ALMA_Marcel> starting to fill in 5 minutes
[11:34] <Maxell> nice
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[11:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ALMA-2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=ALMA-2
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[11:41] <PA3WEG> sorry guys, meeting coming up :(
[11:46] <pd5ton> PD3JAG Staat die vent bij jou niet voor mijn antenne?
[11:48] <MaXimaN> I'll see if I can receive ALMA-2 from London :)
[11:51] <ALMA_Marcel> lauch 1 minute ago
[11:53] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I receive something allready in Leusden (70km)
[11:53] <pd7r> Here as well
[11:53] <pd7r> Hilversum
[11:54] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Shift a bit higher
[11:54] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> first green!
[11:55] <PE2G> ALMA is on 434.652.0 for 1200 Hz center
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[11:56] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I'm 2kHz lower
[11:56] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> no, one
[11:59] <ALMA_Marcel> driving to Gorinchem now
[11:59] <ALMA_Marcel> less stressful than ALMA-1
[12:00] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Shift is stable yet at 560Hz
[12:02] <Maxell> damnit dentist
[12:03] <Maxell> There are two moments in hab tracking important: take off and burst
[12:03] <pd7r> Hope Alma will avoid the big rivers
[12:03] <Maxell> dentist right at the same time as launch :S
[12:04] <MaXimaN> Maxell: That root canal will just have to wait! ;)
[12:05] <Maxell> MaXimaN: regular checkup :S
[12:05] <MaXimaN> Then you can definitely skip it :D
[12:05] <Maxell> already back
[12:05] <Maxell> but missed it coming in range
[12:06] <MaXimaN> That's okay. The battery is at 2974 volts, so it should be able to put out a lot of power...
[12:07] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Maxell, I skipped it for eight years :)
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[12:07] <MaXimaN> He now has no teeth and nothing to worry about
[12:07] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> haha
[12:07] <MaXimaN> Soup is his favourite food
[12:07] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Blender
[12:07] <Maxell> MaXimaN: we Dutch have something we call "Vla"
[12:08] <Maxell> It's the best!
[12:08] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Vla is great
[12:08] <Maxell> liquid breadfast, lunch and dinner!
[12:08] <MaXimaN> Sounds like beer
[12:08] <Maxell> !payload ALMA-2
[12:08] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03ALMA-2 10(ff26) 03$$ALMA-2 - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/500Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[12:08] <costyn> Maxell: you're thinking of Maassluis
[12:09] <Maxell> costyn: ah yeah
[12:09] <Maxell> not the same place :P
[12:09] <costyn> no :)
[12:09] <Maxell> like, 40 kilometers wrong :P
[12:09] <costyn> hehe
[12:10] <costyn> Maxell: so what is your callsign? where are you tacking from?
[12:10] <Ron_G8FJG> reds on 434.651
[12:10] <jarod> Maxell :)
[12:11] <jarod> $$ALMA-2,201,12:10:44,51.716685,4.735964,4911,9,35,2974,00,FALLING*59AC
[12:11] <Maxell> costyn: both remote as RevSpace and PD1ODE
[12:11] <costyn> Maxell: nice :)
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[12:12] <costyn> sooo... it's climbing pretty slowly
[12:12] <Maxell> NOT UPLOADING AGIAN
[12:12] <Maxell> W?TFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf
[12:13] <jarod> hmm cool earth/floating etc etc... is what the direction?
[12:13] <jarod> *that
[12:13] <Ron_G8FJG> song sheet?
[12:13] <costyn> yea just wondering about the lyrics too :)
[12:13] <Maxell> seriously tracking this payload is dooooomded
[12:13] <MaXimaN> Major Tom by Bowie?
[12:13] <costyn> Maxell: whatsup?
[12:14] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Maxell, I can still upload
[12:14] <MaXimaN> Received nothing from here
[12:14] <Maxell> costyn: something is wrong with uploading
[12:14] <Maxell> no comms with server
[12:14] <jarod> Maxell: is there a carrier next to the rtty signal? left.
[12:14] <Maxell> Now waiting to upload remaining queued itmes
[12:15] <Maxell> reboothing router brb
[12:15] <costyn> heh
[12:15] <jarod> you can ask http://www.flightradar24.com/DIAMO18/45e271e to make some balloon photos :P
[12:17] <Maxell> grmbllllllllllllllllllllll
[12:17] <costyn> jarod: heheheh
[12:17] <MaXimaN> Can just hear the rtty behind the noise
[12:17] <costyn> jarod: those are pretty close yea
[12:18] <Maxell> something about that web server comms is really fcked up
[12:18] <Maxell> Downloading latest flights is no problem, however uploading requires me to reboot my system?
[12:18] <Maxell> wut
[12:18] <Maxell> do.not.like
[12:18] <jarod> isp?
[12:19] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: so are you guys going for a floater?
[12:19] <Maxell> jarod: rebooted laptop now working fine
[12:19] <costyn> Maxell: very silly
[12:19] <jarod> tcp flush, can happen
[12:19] <Maxell> costyn: I hope not - they have video gear in it.
[12:19] <Maxell> jarod: checklist updated: reboot before tracking
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[12:20] <jarod> what is the carrier next to the rtty? another lpd ?
[12:21] <Maxell> Clean RTTY here
[12:21] <Maxell> must be qrm
[12:21] <jarod> ok
[12:21] <jarod> anyways it's coming this way :)
[12:22] <jarod> ATC: ALMA Heading 360
[12:22] <jarod> ATC: ALMA Climb FL100
[12:22] <jarod> ATC: ALMA Speed 50
[12:23] <ALMA_Marcel> we hop eit will burst today...
[12:23] <jarod> ATC: ALMA Now direct to Jarod .... Julliet Alpha Romeo oscar Delta
[12:23] <MaXimaN> Maxell: Where are you based again?
[12:23] <jarod> ALMA_Marcel: Aim for my antenna :)
[12:24] <Maxell> MaXimaN: The Hague
[12:24] <jarod> next time use 434.675 MHz :O
[12:26] <Maxell> stop using the rounded numbers
[12:26] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> hmm, huge amount of QRM here at this moment
[12:26] <Maxell> eveyone else is already doing that
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[12:26] <jarod> http://www.flightradar24.com/PHTTC/45e35a5 is in pursuit :P
[12:26] <Maxell> costyn: still climbing at ~3m/s
[12:27] <costyn> jarod: bit too low
[12:27] <costyn> jarod: way above it's ceiling :P
[12:27] <jarod> true :)
[12:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DutchMillbt_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=DutchMillbt_chase
[12:28] <Maxell> muhahahah
[12:28] <Maxell> chase time? :)
[12:28] <jarod> using sdr# DNR now.... magical decoding :-)
[12:29] <Ron_G8FJG> Major Tom (Coming Home) - Peter Schilling
[12:29] <ALMA_Marcel> bingo
[12:29] <ALMA_Marcel> 12 points for ron
[12:29] <Maxell> jarod: should be able to rx this without any of those filters
[12:29] <Ron_G8FJG> and google
[12:30] <PE2G> Can't find a NOTAM for this flight
[12:30] <Maxell> 9.5° now
[12:30] <jarod> Maxell i do, but DNR makes it 100x cleaner
[12:30] <Maxell> PE2G: notam? whut in nl?
[12:30] <jarod> only the other LPD device is not helping :/
[12:30] <MaXimaN> What's the actual centre of the dial for alma-2?
[12:31] <jarod> 434.649 ish
[12:31] <Maxell> jarod: "acutal dial"
[12:31] <Maxell> not helping
[12:31] <Maxell> MaXimaN: at 434.650.80 audio @ 1542
[12:31] <Ron_G8FJG> 434.651 for 1khz centre
[12:31] <Maxell> 570 Hz wied
[12:31] <Maxell> wide
[12:31] <MaXimaN> Thanks
[12:32] <jarod> hmm 570 decodes better than the browser settings
[12:32] <Maxell> duh
[12:32] <Maxell> it drifts
[12:32] <jarod> why cant you guys update it?
[12:32] <jarod> realtime? so annoying
[12:33] <Maxell> jarod: not sure about this module, but transmitters drift with temprature changes
[12:33] <Ron_G8FJG> I.m using 560 and haven't touched the "dial" since first red
[12:33] <jarod> ya thats no issue, but why can't you guys update the browser info real time?
[12:34] <Maxell> jarod: database+software is not designed to update real time. Would have to change a lot of things at the back end I presume
[12:34] <jarod> just manually change a value? :/
[12:35] <jarod> hmm its counting the packets send? sweet
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[12:36] <R6mco> ok, hearing the balloon on 434.650
[12:36] <MaXimaN> I have it decoding from the WebSDR
[12:36] <Maxell> nice R6mco
[12:36] <R6mco> in JO22NF
[12:36] <Maxell> R6mco: http://www.pe1rqm.nl/?p=3208
[12:37] <craag_philcrump> Fantastic signal on the websdr from beyond blue circle!
[12:38] <MaXimaN> Indeed
[12:38] <MaXimaN> Nice and clear
[12:38] <jarod> it's really heading this way :P
[12:38] <R6mco> url of that websdr ?
[12:39] <Maxell> Getting drifty, also not 570 Hz shift anymore
[12:39] <Maxell> R6mco: http://websdr.suws.org.uk/
[12:39] <MaXimaN> http://websdr.suws.org.uk/
[12:39] <Maxell> >:)
[12:39] <MaXimaN> I have the shift at 540
[12:40] <Maxell> Back to 520 Hz shift
[12:40] <Maxell> jarod: change it to 530 Hz shift :):
[12:40] <R6mco> jarod, zit jij hier ook ?
[12:40] <jarod> nee
[12:40] <R6mco> ghehe
[12:41] <Maxell> lol
[12:42] <R6mco> what are the fsk parameters ?
[12:42] <R6mco> mark space freq / baudrate ?
[12:43] <PE2G> R6mco: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/ukhas/z_9_0CXLHsg/-gjmcbCJAKAJ
[12:43] <R6mco> rgr.. thanks
[12:43] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> R6mco, at this moment the shift is a bit higher (545)
[12:44] <Maxell> !payload ALMA-2
[12:44] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03ALMA-2 10(ff26) 03$$ALMA-2 - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/500Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[12:44] <Maxell> R6mco: RTTY 50/500Hz ASCII-7 none 2. However right now 520 Hz looks better to me.
[12:44] <R6mco> yes.. I see, shift is a bit more
[12:45] <R6mco> but I seem to have a decode
[12:45] <R6mco> signal is not very stable ; -)
[12:45] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I see your decode remco
[12:46] <R6mco> $$$$ALMA-2 etc
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[12:46] <R6mco> PROBLEM ROCKETS etc ; -)
[12:46] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> :)
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[12:47] <jarod> via VAC now here, hope AFC keeps following it... i am off
[12:47] <PE2G> ALMA-2 is strong enough to drown out any QRM here.
[12:47] <R6mco> Tjalling_PE1RQM: hoe is de freq synthese in dat LPD ding ?
[12:48] <R6mco> major tom are you receiving <- haha
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[12:50] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Alles in een chip Remco
[12:50] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I2C program
[12:50] <R6mco> ook de datageneratie ?
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[12:51] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Volgens mij wel. Weet ik niet zeker
[12:51] <R6mco> heb jij dat ding gemaakt ?
[12:51] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Nee, ik zou wel willen, ik ken het team niet
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[12:53] <R6mco> ok.. ik dacht dat jij erachter zat, is het een NL team ?
[12:53] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Ja, dat wel. check https://www.facebook.com/HABALMA
[12:53] <R6mco> mss beter om een wat lagere shift te namen
[12:53] <Piet0r> mss beter om in het Engels te babbelen ;)
[12:53] <R6mco> < 500 Hz en standaard baudot mode.. kan je evt ook nog met b.v. 300 Hz cw filter nemen
[12:54] <R6mco> no problem
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[12:54] <R6mco> people were complaining about the 'strange' fsk parameters, perhaps better to take a standard 'baudot' mode
[12:54] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> You're right Remco. Most receivers use SDR, so they don't think of that
[12:55] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> When using auto configure in DL-FLdigi, it is easier
[12:55] <costyn> well insulated... 19 degrees at 14k
[12:55] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: you guys chasing now?
[12:56] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Remco, here are some examples of chips people use: http://www.pe1rqm.nl/?p=3208#payload
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[12:57] <R6mco> first time I hear about these kinds of experiments, although I have been in the organisation of www.ballonvossenjacht.nl for several years ; -)
[12:57] <R6mco> Tjalling_PE1RQM: rgr
[12:57] <costyn> R6mco: https://revspace.nl/HAB_launch and https://revspace.nl/HAB_launch_2 our payloads from last year
[12:57] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Most activity is in the UK
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[12:58] <R6mco> parameter after longitude is height ?
[12:58] <ALMA_Marcel> @costyn: yes, we're having a sandwich in the chase car near gorinchem
[12:59] <costyn> R6mco: it's doesn't happen very often in NL. First there was Tim Zaman; http://www.timzaman.com/?page_id=18 I went along with a few of his launches. Then he stopped and I did 3, now there's ALMA. And yes, most activity is in the UK
[12:59] <R6mco> looks like it, 15km now
[12:59] <ALMA_Marcel> we have lock
[12:59] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: ok, why aren't ou guys on the map with a chase car?
[12:59] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Thats right Remco, 15k at this moment
[12:59] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: it's always good fun to see where the car is in relation to the balloon
[12:59] <Piet0r> Yeah I wish there was a more active Dutch HAB community
[13:00] <Piet0r> I want to launch one too
[13:00] <costyn> Piet0r: it's expensive to launch
[13:00] <Piet0r> That is true
[13:00] <Piet0r> But if you can do it with a group
[13:00] <Piet0r> Split the costs
[13:00] <costyn> Piet0r: yea
[13:00] <R6mco> well.. perhaps we can arrange something
[13:00] <costyn> check these nice pics I got from our coastline: http://imgur.com/a/Jnktr#19
[13:00] <Piet0r> It's lots of fun^^
[13:00] <ALMA_Marcel> we're on the P of AC Hotel Meerkerk
[13:00] <Piet0r> You can't put a price on fun ;)
[13:00] <R6mco> but then below a weather balloon
[13:01] <R6mco> at 1200 UTC every day
[13:01] <costyn> Piet0r: well 100 euro for a balloon + 150 for helium, plus various electronics, and then lots of time needed to make it and prepare it
[13:02] <Maxell> ALMA_Marcel: http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=ALMA* has chase car function
[13:02] <Piet0r> Did I mention the fun part?
[13:03] <costyn> Piet0r: yea and pics like these! http://i.imgur.com/HgKOasc.jpg :D
[13:03] <Piet0r> Sweet
[13:03] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> nice one
[13:03] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: yea turn on the chase car app please! :)
[13:04] <Piet0r> I've been looking at the revspace site a while ago
[13:04] <costyn> Piet0r: full album here http://imgur.com/a/Jnktr#34
[13:04] <Piet0r> I wish there was something like that near Utrecht
[13:05] <costyn> Piet0r: well next time there's an announcement of a luanch in NL, just ask if you can come along
[13:05] <Piet0r> I will!
[13:05] <Piet0r> I'm always idle here but I don't read everything back so ;)
[13:05] <R6mco> Piet0r: there IS something near Utrecht
[13:06] <Piet0r> Protospace?
[13:06] <costyn> Piet0r: well there's a mailing list
[13:06] <R6mco> well.. a launch with a weather balloon, it bursts at around 29 - 30 km altitude
[13:06] <ALMA_Marcel> some pictures on facebook now
[13:07] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: cool. please tunr on the mobile tracker in whatever browser you're using
[13:07] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: so we can see where you guuys are on the map
[13:07] <ALMA_Marcel> I don't know if that works
[13:07] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: does one of you have a smartphone with internet?
[13:07] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: and GPS?
[13:08] <ALMA_Marcel> my iphone is thethering my laptop now
[13:08] <ALMA_Marcel> iphone for 3G
[13:08] <ALMA_Marcel> thethering with wifi
[13:09] <Maxell> Piet0r: "15:05:47 < Piet0r> I'm always idle here but I don't read everything back so ;)" <-- check mailing list
[13:09] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: if you go to http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=ALMA* on your iphone there should be an option to turn on chase car functionality
[13:09] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Is there a Dutch HAB mailinglist?
[13:09] <costyn> Tjalling_PE1RQM: no, it happens too infrequently for that
[13:10] <Maxell> Tjalling_PE1RQM: no (t yet?)
[13:10] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> ok, maybe when the popularity gains :)
[13:10] <costyn> Tjalling_PE1RQM: yea maybe
[13:10] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I have a lot of visitors on my Dutch website explaining HAB
[13:10] <costyn> Tjalling_PE1RQM: cool
[13:11] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Hopefully it helps the HAB guys of Holland a bit :)
[13:11] <Maxell> Yeah it's a nice writeup
[13:11] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Thanks
[13:11] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: there's also the habitat mobi app in the App Store. Also does chase car functionality
[13:11] <R6mco> seems that the shift decreased somewhat (?)
[13:12] <costyn> Maxell: any idea what balooon and size it is?
[13:12] <Maxell> 4 m/s vertical right now
[13:12] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> It is indeed Remco 510 at this moment here
[13:12] <Maxell> costyn: hmm nope
[13:12] <R6mco> yeah, normal ascending speed
[13:12] <costyn> bit slow
[13:12] <Maxell> NL1ALX!
[13:13] <Maxell> R6mco: nah would reather have that faster
[13:13] <Maxell> I rather overfill it!
[13:13] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> It follows the prediction quite nice
[13:13] <costyn> Tjalling_PE1RQM: the prediction (on the tracker) changes with the position of the balloon and the speed
[13:14] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Yes, but it stays roughly the same
[13:14] <Ron_G8FJG> signal dropped 10db here about 2mins ago
[13:14] <costyn> Tjalling_PE1RQM: yea, and you're right http://i.imgur.com/zWpp3aK.jpg is looking similar
[13:14] <Maxell> 2014-09-19 17:19:28 UTC+2 Altitude: 0 m Latitude: 51.9132 Longtitude: 5.60638
[13:15] <costyn> Tjalling_PE1RQM: the exciting bit comes as it reaches 35+ km; if it floats or if it bursts
[13:15] <Maxell> We'll see
[13:15] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Yeah :)
[13:15] <craag_philcrump> 4 m/s is way too fast for float
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[13:15] <costyn> craag_philcrump: I thought the rule-of-thumb was anything below 5m/s is potential float?
[13:16] <PE2G> Tjalling_PE1RQM: Congrats on your website. A comprehensive source!
[13:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ALMA-2-chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=ALMA-2-chase
[13:16] <Maxell> 6.4 m/s
[13:16] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Thanks PE2G
[13:16] <Maxell> nice!
[13:16] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Allways under construction
[13:16] <craag_philcrump> costyn: ~ 5/ms is wait to aim for, < 3m/s starts to be float territory
[13:16] <craag_philcrump> *what to aim for
[13:16] <R6mco> almost 20km now
[13:17] <Maxell> ALMA_Marcel: works!
[13:17] <ALMA_Marcel> chase mode found, thanks constyn
[13:17] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: awesome!
[13:17] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Great Marcel
[13:17] <costyn> craag_philcrump: ah yea ok... :)
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[13:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi, what freq is Alma-2 on?
[13:18] <MaXimaN> 434.650.5
[13:18] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> 434.650.8
[13:18] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> :)
[13:18] <craag_philcrump> You won't get it much faster than 6 m/s, the balloon starts to change shape and causes more drag, slowing it down. (this can oscillate)
[13:18] <R6mco> 434.652
[13:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thanks
[13:18] <costyn> craag_philcrump: interesting, didn't know that
[13:18] <MaXimaN> R6mco: Might want to tweak your frequency correction ppm there
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[13:19] <R6mco> probably ; -)
[13:19] <Maxell> !payload ALMA-2
[13:19] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03ALMA-2 10(ff26) 03$$ALMA-2 - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/500Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[13:19] <Maxell> OZ1SKY_Brian: ^
[13:19] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> My RTL dongle has +67ppm :)
[13:19] <R6mco> lowest fsk freq (mark I think) is around 434.652 here
[13:19] <costyn> Maxell: nice bot... was about time for a bot in this channel :)
[13:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> :-)
[13:19] <Maxell> OZ1SKY_Brian: 434.651 dial and audio @ 1380 Hz
[13:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Maxell thanks
[13:20] <R6mco> well.. in that case I relatively ok on freq
[13:20] <Maxell> costyn: ejup
[13:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> see it weak on the waterfall
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[13:20] <Maxell> R6mco, Tjalling_PE1RQM, check out rtl-kalibrate
[13:20] <R6mco> turn your beam southwards Brian ;- )
[13:21] <R6mco> I'm not using a RTL
[13:21] <Maxell> It uses GSM transmitters to find ppm offset - works perfectly here
[13:21] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I have my own calibration setup :)
[13:21] <Maxell> oh, your own tx
[13:21] <Maxell> yeah
[13:21] <Maxell> well
[13:21] <R6mco> rx
[13:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> R6mco my beam is horizontal, so i have to do with the GP9
[13:21] <gonzo__> lyrics?!
[13:21] <R6mco> Brian: give it a try ?
[13:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> The vertical work better 99% of the time on HAB´s
[13:22] <R6mco> almost 21 km now .. exciting ;-)
[13:22] <costyn> hehe I like how the chase car speed is calculated to 9 digits behind the period: 117.468127441 km/h
[13:22] <Maxell> gonzo__: heeheh
[13:22] <Maxell> costyn: lol
[13:22] <costyn> gonzo__: yea try to figure out which song it is
[13:22] <Maxell> costyn: 117 also fine
[13:23] <costyn> Maxell: yea that would be enough
[13:23] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Thats for the police :)
[13:23] <Maxell> whoops :P
[13:24] <Maxell> automatic 130 km/h clipping please
[13:24] <costyn> haha
[13:24] <Maxell> ;)
[13:24] <murb> get a chase bike!
[13:24] <gonzo__> the bowie version was better!
[13:25] <R6mco> is there also a parachute connected to the HAB ?
[13:25] <Maxell> R6mco: mandatory
[13:25] <R6mco> rgr
[13:25] <Maxell> You can't fly one without :P
[13:25] <Maxell> Well... You -can- but you don't want that :P
[13:26] <R6mco> well.. you can't fly without, but you can fall without ; -)
[13:26] Nick change: Upu- -> Upu
[13:26] <R6mco> is there arecovery device inside to track it down where exactly it fell ?
[13:26] <R6mco> a recovery*
[13:27] <costyn> R6mco: the tracking radio you're using :)
[13:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> found the song for the lyrics :-)
[13:27] <costyn> R6mco: when it's on the ground you can usually hear it if you're within a KM
[13:27] <R6mco> costyn: ok.. we also have a recovery device in the balloon
[13:28] <Maxell> R6mco: yeah and they have backup GSM tracker
[13:28] <costyn> R6mco: the predictor is really good, even when the payload is falling under parachute. i've seen 2 of 3 of my payloads come down under chute.
[13:28] <R6mco> if everything fails .. then you dail a number and it sms's the coordinates
[13:28] <costyn> R6mco: ah yea... optional :)
[13:29] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> R6mco, you guys have a huge payload in comparison to most HAB's :)
[13:29] <ALMA_Marcel> coffe and pie time for chase team
[13:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> First green packet of ALMA-2
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[13:29] <R6mco> Tjalling_PE1RQM: yep .. it's a little heavier ; -)
[13:29] <costyn> OZ1SKY_Brian: cool
[13:30] <PE2G> I wouldn't go so far ahead of the balloon
[13:30] <Maxell> wow OZ1SKY_Brian
[13:30] <ALMA_Marcel> there was no restaurant before
[13:30] <R6mco> what is a 'green packet' ?
[13:30] <Maxell> It did a loop de loop already
[13:30] <R6mco> <- utterly newbie
[13:30] <Maxell> R6mco: telemtry string with corerct checksum
[13:30] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Enjoy your Pie !
[13:30] <R6mco> aha
[13:30] <R6mco> I decode in fldigi
[13:30] <Maxell> It gets a green background so you know the line is 100% correc
[13:30] <Maxell> t
[13:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> A green packet is a data string with out errors in it
[13:31] <Maxell> For example green: $$ALMA-2,523,13:30:34,51.856385,4.983884,23251,10,12,2824,00,BELOW*BF48
[13:31] <edmoore> green because the GUI goes green for a good packet
[13:31] <edmoore> red for a bad one
[13:31] <Maxell> red: $$ALMA-2,523,13:32345234523450:34,51.adsfasdf0,BELOW*BF48
[13:31] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> If it contains errors, it will not upload
[13:31] <R6mco> I see these packets all the time
[13:31] <R6mco> in fldigi no color or something.. signal is good here
[13:31] <craag_philcrump> You need dl-fldigi
[13:31] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> This balloon very strong for us. Wait till you see a balloon from the UK the next time
[13:31] <craag_philcrump> a modified version
[13:31] <craag_philcrump> R6mco: ^^
[13:32] <R6mco> dl-fldigi .... ah.. ok
[13:32] <craag_philcrump> It has the automatic configuration and upload
[13:32] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> You upload to Habitat, so I think you have DL-fldigi isn't it?
[13:32] <R6mco> thanks
[13:34] <R6mco> >24km high now
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[13:34] <R6mco> curious how flexible the balloon will be ; -)
[13:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SA6BSS-Mike Are you getting ALMA-2 direct!?
[13:35] <costyn> OZ1SKY_Brian: haha someone even further than you
[13:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> costyn yes alot further, sounds wild
[13:35] <DutchMillbt> back from testing my chasecar setup...
[13:36] <costyn> OZ1SKY_Brian: hehe yea
[13:36] <DutchMillbt> nice signal all the way on the sdr dongle
[13:36] <costyn> DutchMillbt: cool... are you going to be chasing soon?
[13:36] <craag_philcrump> OZ1SKY_Brian: He's been using the websdr in the past...
[13:37] <Maxell> R6mco: http://www.pe1rqm.nl/?p=3208 :)
[13:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Yes i was thinking about that, its way way below his horizon still. But you never know with a good tropo, alot can happen.
[13:37] <R6mco> Maxell: I read it...
[13:37] <R6mco> very funny ..
[13:37] <DutchMillbt> Nope ... other appointment
[13:37] <Maxell> :(
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[13:38] <R6mco> 'we' (i.e. the organisation of the dutch balloon fox hunt) never knew this community existed / exist
[13:38] <costyn> DutchMillbt: I mean not ALMA-2, I was wondering if you were planning on launching or joining another group for a chase
[13:38] <R6mco> Maxell: funny was related to my next sentence ; -)
[13:38] <MaXimaN> What shift do people have on alma-2 right now?
[13:38] <craag_philcrump> 500
[13:39] <MaXimaN> I can just see it coming in and out on my waterfall
[13:39] <R6mco> I have 500 Hz here
[13:39] <R6mco> its a bit wobbly
[13:39] <Maxell> R6mco: d-oh :)
[13:40] <Maxell> Fox hunt was nice. Should be getting the special qsl card for making qso on PI6NOS
[13:40] <R6mco> PI6NOS ?
[13:40] <DutchMillbt> Nop plans at the moment costyn, just wondering how the sdr preforms in a mobile set up... but have some stuff laying around for a hab... but no time at the moment
[13:41] <edmoore> oh hi costyn
[13:41] <edmoore> long time
[13:41] <Piet0r> I was in Limburg last week during the ballonvossenjacht unfortunatly :/
[13:41] <Piet0r> I did hear the repeater on my porto though :)
[13:41] <R6mco> 2m or 70cm ?
[13:41] <R6mco> or both?
[13:42] <Piet0r> The outgoing freq
[13:42] <R6mco> yes.. but on 2m or 70cm , or both?
[13:42] <R6mco> ah wait ... the transponder in the balloon you mean ?
[13:42] <R6mco> 145.475
[13:42] <Piet0r> Yeah 145.475
[13:43] <R6mco> >27km
[13:43] <R6mco> its getting cold there ; -)
[13:43] <Piet0r> It was very clear in Epen, Limburg
[13:43] <R6mco> rgr
[13:43] <Piet0r> There was no weather sonde on it this year, was it?
[13:43] <Piet0r> Like last year
[13:44] <R6mco> is the fsk software generated ?
[13:44] <R6mco> (e.g. programming a dds)
[13:44] <R6mco> Piet0r: no, no weather sonde because it seems that the people were hunting the weather sonde instead of the beacon
[13:45] <R6mco> software to decode weather balloons is widely available
[13:45] <costyn> edmoore: yes been a while, my fault :)
[13:45] <Piet0r> Why is that not good?
[13:45] <R6mco> and .. it's a fox hunt
[13:45] <Piet0r> Ah :p
[13:45] <R6mco> the trick is the fox hunting aspect
[13:45] <Piet0r> I was decoding the sonde data with sondemonitor
[13:45] <MaXimaN> I can see and hear ALMA-2 but no clear enough to decode, sadly :(
[13:45] <edmoore> you're back now costyn?
[13:45] <costyn> edmoore: nope, still in the Caribbean
[13:45] <R6mco> Piet0r: you were not alone
[13:46] <edmoore> i haven't been around much either
[13:46] <R6mco> and this year 'other' people arrived at the landing site
[13:46] <costyn> edmoore: just chatting here
[13:46] <R6mco> first...
[13:46] <Piet0r> Ah I see
[13:46] <edmoore> realised i hadn't launched anytrhing since 2010 and wasn't being productive on irc
[13:46] <Maxell> 25° elevation
[13:46] <R6mco> >28 km now
[13:46] <costyn> edmoore: hehe
[13:47] <Maxell> predicted burst at 30 km?
[13:47] <Maxell> 34 km?
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[13:47] <PA3WEG> back!
[13:47] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> hi wouter
[13:47] <R6mco> ha Wouter
[13:47] <R6mco> nice movie you made from the BFH
[13:50] <Upu> afternoon
[13:50] <Piet0r> Hi
[13:51] <Maxell> deep fade
[13:51] <jededu> Hi upu
[13:51] <Maxell> oh noes, red! $$ALMA-2,604,13:50:=4,51.861681,5.074210,29636,13,11,2819,00,ACROSS*FF36
[13:51] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Hi upu
[13:51] <Upu> !track ALMA-2
[13:51] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=ALMA-2
[13:51] <R6mco> almosr 30km
[13:52] <R6mco> almost*
[13:52] <Upu> oh thats in range of me
[13:52] <Upu> !dial ALMA-2
[13:52] <R6mco> final message ?
[13:52] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest dials for 03ALMA-2 10(ff26): 0310100 MHz, 434651 MHz, 111111.111 MHz, 10512.5 MHz, 434495.7 MHz, 434.65 MHz, 432.412 MHz, 434650.644 MHz, 434650.3 MHz, 434650.5 MHz
[13:52] <craag_philcrump> Upu: 434.651
[13:52] <Upu> lol
[13:52] <Upu> @ that response
[13:53] <Upu> ouch thats strong
[13:53] <costyn> Upu: are those uploaded automatically?
[13:53] <Upu> no idea where its getting it from costyn
[13:53] <costyn> haha ok
[13:54] <craag_philcrump> costyn: Yeah, dl-fldigi reports it
[13:54] <Maxell> costyn: yeah dl-fldigi is reporting back
[13:54] <Upu> what power is this transmitting at ?
[13:54] <mattbrejza> yea thats what fldigi is sending to habitat
[13:54] <Upu> 512.2km
[13:54] <Maxell> 434495.7 MHz nice try
[13:54] <costyn> seems it still needs some tweaking
[13:54] <craag_philcrump> Upu: I suspect a bit more than 10mw, decoded 50 miles beyond blue line on websdr
[13:54] <Maxell> 434651 MHz lol
[13:54] <SIbot> In real units: 50 miles = 80.4672 kilometres
[13:54] <Maxell> craag_philcrump: oh noes
[13:54] <Upu> looks local to me
[13:55] <Upu> certainly not 500km away
[13:55] <R6mco> its above Holland
[13:55] <Maxell> quick call agentschap telecom so they have to go fox hunting the balloon
[13:55] <R6mco> I think the LVNL would be more likely (air traffic control ; -)
[13:55] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/XJ7nQeF.png
[13:56] <craag_philcrump> nah I'll complain to ofcom
[13:56] <Upu> no gain on the FCD
[13:56] <craag_philcrump> then their grandchildren will get a strongly worded letter
[13:56] <Upu> lol
[13:56] <costyn> craag_philcrump: hahaha
[13:57] <Maxell> craag_philcrump: heh
[13:57] <gonzo__> 50cps - Go on SiBot
[13:58] <PA3WEG> R6mco: thanks
[13:58] <gonzo__> 50 cycles per second ?
[13:58] <gonzo__> juszt testing
[13:58] <PA3WEG> got the work arrays now, so plenty of signal
[13:58] <PA3WEG> 40dB SNR
[13:58] <R6mco> PA3WEG: could hear myself across the transponder at the launch site ..
[13:59] <R6mco> then had to go back to the control centre
[14:01] <Maxell> Oef! 33128 meters high
[14:01] <costyn> any bets on burst alti?
[14:01] <Maxell> Spannend~!
[14:02] <costyn> I say 34500
[14:02] <Maxell> costyn: 34526
[14:02] <Maxell> lol
[14:02] <costyn> hehe
[14:02] <R6mco> I hope for 35000 km
[14:03] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> That was a larger drift
[14:03] <costyn> Tjalling_PE1RQM: appropriate lyrics
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> I bet on 30100
[14:03] <costyn> burst
[14:03] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I saw that! haha
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> You never know, it might go back down
[14:03] <costyn> Maxell: I win
[14:04] <daveake> 35000 km would be impressive
[14:04] <R6mco> descending
[14:04] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Burst
[14:04] <R6mco> 33541
[14:04] <R6mco> is my max packet
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[14:04] <Maxell> noes costyn
[14:04] <R6mco> I think when it bursted I had a dip in my rx
[14:04] <PA3WEG> R6mco: I only added audio later, so you may nit be in the movie.....
[14:05] <Upu> $$$$$ALMA-2,652,14:02:49,51.869761,5.221922,33673,13,13,2821,00,DRIFTING*B46C
[14:05] <Maxell> $$$$$ALMA-2,658,14:04:19,51.871415,5.242086,30675,11,13,2820,00,EARTH*533E
[14:05] <Maxell> $$$$$ALMA-2,659,14:04:34,51.871843,5.244339,30173,10,13,2820,00,BELOW*B45F
[14:05] <R6mco> oh yes.. I got that packet with 33673 in it
[14:05] <SIbot> In real units: 33673 in = 855294.2 mm
[14:05] <costyn> oops... landing point just shifted quite a bit
[14:05] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Remco, spacenear.us says max is 33673
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[14:05] <R6mco> yes.. I see it, I have that packet (mangled) too with the max height
[14:05] <Upu> I posted max alt packet
[14:06] <happysat> same here $$$$$ALMA-2,652,14:02:49,51.869761,5.221922,33673,13,13,2821,00,DRIFTING*B46C
[14:06] <Maxell> costyn: yeah falling very fast
[14:06] <Maxell> give it a few minutes
[14:06] <costyn> chase car is no longer updating
[14:07] <pd7r> I hope it does not end op in the river.
[14:07] <Upu> if it looks like it will end in a river right now it won't
[14:07] <pd7r> pretty wet there
[14:07] <R6mco> or on a motorway
[14:07] <Maxell> R6mco: i chased a knmi ozon sonde
[14:07] <costyn> R6mco: it is following the a15 nicely
[14:07] <R6mco> you better be insured
[14:07] <Maxell> it ended up in between two motorways
[14:07] <Maxell> doh!
[14:07] <pd7r> Or in the Zoo
[14:07] <R6mco> Maxell: yep ..
[14:08] <pd7r> :-)
[14:08] <costyn> pd7r: is there a zoo in wageningen?
[14:08] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Ouwehands
[14:08] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> rhene
[14:08] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> rhenen
[14:08] <costyn> haha the predicated landing spot is just a few KM from my first launch site, that was at Renkum near Arnhem
[14:09] <R6mco> few years ago the BFH balloon almost landed in Flevoland Walibi
[14:09] <Maxell> "$$ALMA-2,652,14:02:49,51.869761,5.221922,33673,13,13,2821,00,DRIFTING*B46C","PE1RQM,g0nzo,PH3V,PE2G,DutchMillbt,PA3WEG,RevSpace,OZ1SKY,PD5TON,G6GZH,M0UPU,EDU0001,pe1pip,SUWS-SDR,PD7R,jijdaar,G8FJG,M0JCU,G0WXI,pd3jag,PD1ODE"
[14:09] <Maxell> Eveyone kept decoding after burst
[14:09] <Maxell> amazing signal
[14:09] <costyn> Maxell: 25mW?
[14:09] <pd7r> Ouwehands Direnpark
[14:09] <Maxell> over 9000 milliwatts?
[14:09] <costyn> Maxell: lol
[14:09] <Piet0r> :p
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[14:10] <Maxell> 17° elevation... falling fast
[14:10] <Maxell> -18 m/s
[14:10] <R6mco> I can hear doppler on the signal
[14:10] <costyn> I'm very suspcious of their temperature
[14:10] <Maxell> awww right
[14:10] <R6mco> (or something similar)
[14:10] <Maxell> 13°C is warm!
[14:11] <PE2G> Prachute is looking good at -18 m/s at 22km
[14:11] <costyn> Maxell: yea
[14:11] <Maxell> costyn: they might have two or three cams in there
[14:11] <costyn> Maxell: ah
[14:11] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> signal is weakening here
[14:11] <Upu> still strong here
[14:11] <Upu> 521km distance
[14:11] <Maxell> Upu: nice
[14:11] <Maxell> well
[14:11] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Upu, I'm at just 38km :)
[14:12] <R6mco> it's still >20km
[14:12] <Maxell> all I can say, tropo
[14:12] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Strong again. Maybe reflections
[14:12] <Upu> nah I'm 300meters above sea level
[14:12] <Maxell> has been a lot of vhf/uhf tropo last week
[14:12] <Maxell> nice mist also
[14:12] <Maxell> so yeah
[14:12] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> That counts\
[14:12] <Upu> with this : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/HAM/Rotator/IMG_0796.JPG
[14:13] <Maxell> http://aprs.mountainlake.k12.mn.us/ hmm
[14:13] <costyn> someone who takes his hobby seriously :P
[14:13] <Ron_G8FJG> thunderstorm front approaching me , may abandon ship....coward!!
[14:13] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> That's a nice antenna setup Upu
[14:13] <Upu> ta
[14:13] <costyn> yea very nice
[14:13] <Upu> not fading yet
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[14:14] <Maxell> His internet did fade tough
[14:15] <costyn> updates from the chase car again
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[14:19] <Upu> silly internets
[14:19] <Upu> still decoding...
[14:19] <Maxell> Upu: adsl fades? :P
[14:19] <Upu> no I'm with Entanet who it seems forgot to put some money in the meter in the Leeds area
[14:20] <Upu> they are maxed out and all customers are down to sub 0.5Mbps
[14:20] <costyn> haha omg
[14:20] <Maxell> overbooked? :P
[14:20] <Maxell> haha
[14:20] <Maxell> Also, check this VDSL2+ graph: http://i.sigio.nl/d2ed398740c1aa7c60cbb7c85a0bc499.png
[14:21] Bat`O (~michael@shm67-1-81-56-107-165.fbx.proxad.net) got lost in the net-split.
[14:21] Flerb (~willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) got lost in the net-split.
[14:21] <Upu> ok fading now
[14:21] <Maxell> QRV on 40 meters does not make VDSL2+ happy
[14:21] <Upu> -1' elevation
[14:21] <Maxell> 10°
[14:21] <Upu> 523.5km
[14:21] <Maxell> 77km
[14:21] <Upu> and gone
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[14:22] <ALMA_Marcel> always bursting while eating apple pie
[14:22] <ALMA_Marcel> we have signal in the car
[14:23] <Maxell> Nice!
[14:23] <PE2G> Exceptionally far below the horizon Upu !
[14:23] <Upu> yep I can still see it actually
[14:23] <Upu> that was unusually far
[14:23] <Upu> how much power is this ALMA_Marcel ?
[14:23] <Maxell> ALMA_Marcel: try to keep it up. Tjalling_PE1RQM will get the last few hunder meters for you too
[14:23] <PE2G> Have never seen -1 deg
[14:23] <Maxell> Tjalling_PE1RQM: right? :P
[14:24] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> hopefully :)
[14:24] <Maxell> ALMA_Marcel: "10mW"
[14:24] <Upu> lol
[14:24] <Upu> mexican 10mW
[14:24] <craag_philcrump> decoding on websdr @ -0.5 deg...
[14:25] <craag_philcrump> 431km as well
[14:25] <Maxell> peaking S5 here
[14:25] <Maxell> never seen that before
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[14:25] <Maxell> S0 now
[14:25] <Maxell> Intresting
[14:26] <Maxell> 30 dB s/n so yeah
[14:26] <Maxell> all is fine
[14:26] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Still strong here. I was disturbing my own reception, because I was on PI2NOS repeater
[14:27] <craag_philcrump> green at -0.6, 432km!
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[14:28] <craag_philcrump> ...and gone like a switch
[14:28] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Phil, exactly at 10km :)
[14:28] <mattbrejza> looks like someone misprogrammed a register
[14:29] <ALMA_Marcel> things that can go wrong:
[14:29] <ALMA_Marcel> don't say "it is green" while the driver is waitng for a traffic sign
[14:29] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: haha oops
[14:29] <craag_philcrump> lol
[14:30] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: like that Dutch TV commerical with the kid with the icecream
[14:30] <craag_philcrump> new gui colours needed
[14:30] <craag_philcrump> "mauve alert!"
[14:30] <costyn> "it's teal!"
[14:31] <costyn> the chasecar just jumped the river
[14:32] <ALMA_Marcel> something wrong with the chasecar update
[14:32] <ALMA_Marcel> we're on a15
[14:32] <Ron_G8FJG> disconnecting antenna ....bye
[14:32] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Bye ron
[14:32] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: ah
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[14:32] <ALMA_Marcel> now the update is correct, don't know what was wrong
[14:33] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: someone sitting on the hpone? probably phone didn't have a good view of the sky?
[14:34] <PA3WEG> het rood geel groen oranje paars blauwe fruitijsje ;)
[14:34] <costyn> PA3WEG: haha yea that one
[14:34] <PA3WEG> fruit joy was the name of the brand
[14:34] <PA3WEG> any way, I just checked the balloon on a very very small vertical, and I can hear it very good there still
[14:35] <R6mco> eh.. stomme vraag misschien .. maar hoe save ik de ontvangen data in een file in fldigi ?
[14:35] <R6mco> text file
[14:35] <PA3WEG> rechts klikken in de ontvangen text
[14:35] <PA3WEG> save as
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[14:35] <Maxell> jep
[14:36] <Maxell> ALMA_Marcel: iphone might terminate the safari process if it's not in the foreground/if phone is "standby"
[14:37] <ALMA_Marcel> ah, that is probably it
[14:37] <R6mco> thanks !
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[14:38] <Maxell> pa7o: too late! :(
[14:38] <Maxell> Already coming down!
[14:38] <costyn> awfully close to that canal
[14:39] <ALMA_Marcel> nice
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[14:39] <Piet0r> Quickly take a left! ;)
[14:43] <gonzo__> pinchj your nose and hold your breath, and JUMP
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[14:43] <R6mco> is the payload rescued already ?
[14:43] <ALMA_Marcel> we might miss the canal
[14:43] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: quick head to the predicted landing site
[14:44] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: don't just wait there! :) if you are close you can see it falling from the sky!
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[14:44] <costyn> R6mco: still in the air
[14:45] <costyn> R6mco: 10 mins to go
[14:45] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I think it will land in Zoelen
[14:45] <costyn> Tjalling_PE1RQM: I don't think the final spot will move much
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[14:45] <costyn> unless it hits some freak wind or updraft
[14:46] <Maxell> R6mco: still coming down
[14:46] <Maxell> 1.2° degrees now
[14:46] <Maxell> elevation
[14:46] <Maxell> 10°C
[14:46] <costyn> can't figure out what kinds of crops those are... looks like corn?
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[14:47] <Maxell> Nice long 5.400008
[14:47] <Maxell> Still decoding fine
[14:47] <PA3WEG> costyn: Corn? you know what that usually means right?
[14:47] <PA3WEG> only the corners are corn
[14:48] <costyn> PA3WEG: I don't know what that means?
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[14:48] <costyn> too bad the chase car location is off again
[14:48] <Maxell> I hear doppler/fading/turning now
[14:48] <Maxell> costyn: thats recent
[14:48] <costyn> Maxell: well yea but it's not reporting the correct position I think
[14:48] <Piet0r> Left handed sigarett ingredients
[14:49] <Maxell> !ping ALMA-2-chase
[14:49] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Last contact with 03ALMA-2-chase was 03a minute ago
[14:49] <Maxell> getting weaker now
[14:49] <costyn> wups... whats it doing now
[14:49] <Maxell> 0.5° elev
[14:49] <Maxell> lool
[14:49] <costyn> predictor is like ... well screw this
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[14:50] <costyn> looks like a nice field
[14:50] <Maxell> $$$$$ALMA-2,844,14:49:54,51.917895,5.4090?7,623,9,12,278r,18,FAR*7D2
[14:50] <costyn> can't believe so many decodes at only 500m
[14:50] <PA3WEG> red here
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[14:51] <PE2G> Lost it at -0.2 deg, 97 km
[14:51] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Gone...
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[14:51] <pd7r> Yep ,gone
[14:51] <Maxell> costyn: yep last decode here @ 759 m
[14:51] <costyn> Maxell: cool
[14:51] <costyn> Maxell: now we wait
[14:51] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: good luck!
[14:51] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Who is jijdaar?
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[14:52] <Piet0r> He's ALWAYS online
[14:52] <costyn> Tjalling_PE1RQM: some guy works at KNMI
[14:52] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> He also received the last packet. Now it is up to Marcel's own receiver :)
[14:53] <PE2G> Tjalling_PE1RQM: jijdaar is on the roof of the met-office building
[14:53] <costyn> cool Marcel got a decode
[14:53] <ALMA_Marcel> 51.918168,5.409922
[14:53] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: nice!
[14:53] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> ok. Thanks
[14:53] <pd7r> looks like a nice landing in a field
[14:53] <ALMA_Marcel> we didn't see it fall, but it should be within 200 m from us
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[14:53] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: nice... chase car is not updating again unfortunatley
[14:54] <Maxell> Very easy recovery
[14:54] <costyn> should be
[14:54] <Maxell> Duration: 3h 18m
[14:54] <costyn> Maxell: like the first one we did... lying in front of the farmers house :)
[14:54] <PA0RPA> last position seen : 51.918181,5.409898 PA0RPA
[14:54] <Maxell> Length: 67.95 km
[14:56] <Maxell> "$$ALMA-2,846,14:50:24,51.917988,5.409459,359,9,12,2783,08,THE*424A","jijdaar,PE1RQM,marcel"
[14:56] <Maxell> Tjalling_PE1RQM: you did it!
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[14:56] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Yeah!
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[14:56] <R6mco> what did tjalling do ?
[14:56] <costyn> Tjalling_PE1RQM: nice, where are you in relation to the payload?
[14:57] <costyn> R6mco: one of the last people who decoded
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[14:57] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> What do you mean costyn? I'm 24km in the north
[14:57] <R6mco> aha
[14:57] <costyn> Tjalling_PE1RQM: you answered my question :)
[14:57] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Received 10mW at 359m height at 24,8km distance
[14:58] <Maxell> Uh oh
[14:58] <Maxell> that field
[14:58] <PA3WEG> I got the second last one
[14:58] <R6mco> ok.. that is part of 'the match' ?
[14:58] <Maxell> might be corn
[14:58] <costyn> Tjalling_PE1RQM: I hand't spotted you on the map
[14:58] <PA3WEG> missed two chars on the csum on the last one
[14:59] <Maxell> "$$ALMA-2,843,14:49:39,51.917857,5.408424,759,8,12,2782,08,MORE*F4F0","PE1RQM,PA3WEG,PE2G,PD1ODE,marcel,PD7R,jijdaar,SA6BSS"
[14:59] <Maxell> "$$ALMA-2,844,14:49:54,51.917895,5.409057,623,9,12,2782,08,FAR*7D25","PE1RQM,PA3WEG,pe1pip,PE2G,marcel,PD7R,jijdaar"
[14:59] <Maxell> "$$ALMA-2,845,14:50:09,51.917863,5.409294,489,9,12,2782,08,BENEATH*B32B","PE1RQM,PA3WEG,PE2G,marcel,PD7R,jijdaar,SA6BSS"
[14:59] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> My antenna is not good positioned for this site. and it is just a vertical Ham antenna at 5m height
[14:59] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> This was my last half decode: $$$$$ALMA-2,847,14:50:34,51.918153,5.409t83,292y
[14:59] <PA3WEG> back to business mode here .....
[14:59] <Maxell> hehe
[15:00] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I hope to have a 13 element Yagi at 10m this winter on my roof
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[15:01] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I made this antenna https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKpZlU8_wE&list=UUptwuc83BQ3AphaxI782DtQ
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[15:03] <R6mco> Tjalling_PE1RQM: dl6wu design?
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[15:03] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Exactly Remco, you're sharp
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[15:03] <R6mco> I have two 4m long ones, getting 2 pieces extra for a stack of 4
[15:04] <R6mco> next to the 2 x 4ele 12 el (2m) long ones
[15:04] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> oh wow :)
[15:04] <R6mco> three systems 1st weekend Oct for the contest
[15:04] <R6mco> I decided that 3 dB extra gain will help us in the IARU contest
[15:05] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> It is the best linear you can get
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[15:08] <R6mco> are people interested in an audio recording from SUWS ?
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[15:19] <ALMA_Marcel> payload recovered. gorpo was still making pictures
[15:19] <ALMA_Marcel> we set it at 2s interval
[15:19] <ALMA_Marcel> transfering pictures now
[15:19] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: awesome!
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[15:19] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: congrats!
[15:19] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: what was the field? any crops?
[15:20] <ALMA_Marcel> 6768 pictures
[15:20] <costyn> hahahah
[15:20] <costyn> good luck sorting those
[15:21] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: pro-tip: sort by size descending, you'll get the most detailed pictures at the top
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[15:21] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: jpegs are larger the more detail they contain
[15:21] <ALMA_Marcel> this might take a while
[15:21] <ALMA_Marcel> 12GB
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[15:23] <ALMA_Marcel> thanks guys for tracking
[15:23] <fsphil> or the most clouds
[15:23] <fsphil> jpeg doesn't like clouds
[15:23] <ALMA_Marcel> I will put the best pictures on the facebok page later today
[15:24] <costyn> fsphil: hehe ok... all the bumpy bits in clousd?
[15:24] <ALMA_Marcel> I see them flash by now, they are great
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[15:24] <ALMA_Marcel> <- happy
[15:24] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: how is the weather? clear? cloudy?
[15:24] <fsphil> great feeling that ALMA_Marcel :)
[15:24] <fsphil> congrats
[15:24] <ALMA_Marcel> nice clouds
[15:24] <ALMA_Marcel> deep black space
[15:25] <costyn> cool
[15:25] <ALMA_Marcel> blue rim of atmosphere
[15:26] <ALMA_Marcel> it is obvious that the curvature you see if from the lens
[15:26] <ALMA_Marcel> but nobosy has to know
[15:26] <fsphil> we know :)
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[15:33] <edmoore> another batch of datalogger boards from the toaster oven, think i've got nerve damage from pick-n-placing with tweezers all day long: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0371mggtgduy8i4/2014-09-19%2016.27.25.jpg?dl=0
[15:34] <costyn_> edmoore: nice, what are they for?
[15:34] <edmoore> dataloggers for a rocket engine
[15:35] <edmoore> monitoring pressures, temps etc
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[15:38] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[15:38] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[15:38] <costyn_> edmoore: cool
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[15:40] <ALMA_Marcel> one pic on FB now
[15:42] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: no way! that is awesome!!
[15:42] <costyn> https://www.facebook.com/HABALMA/photos/a.509285702551265.1073741828.509283705884798/529725377173964/?type=1&theater
[15:42] <craag_ph1lcrump> wow nice pic ALMA_Marcel
[15:42] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: almost as if it's been taken from ISS :)
[15:42] <craag_ph1lcrump> What camera?
[15:43] <ALMA_Marcel> gopro 3 white edition
[15:43] <ALMA_Marcel> no case
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[15:45] <costyn> amazing
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[15:46] <PA3WEG> ALMA_Marcel: congrats on the flight and pics!
[15:47] <ALMA_Marcel> my pleasure, thanks for tracking
[15:47] <edmoore> is this your first flight ALMA_Marcel ?
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[15:49] <R6mco> ALMA_Marcel: thanks for the flight!
[15:49] <ALMA_Marcel> first was 1 month ago. but we made a mistake there
[15:50] <ALMA_Marcel> forgot to erase the memory card before launch
[15:50] <ALMA_Marcel> now everything was better prepared, and less stress
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[15:50] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: ok good :)
[15:51] <edmoore> ALMA_Marcel, great
[15:51] <edmoore> and yes, taking time before launching is always good
[15:53] <ALMA_Marcel> well, we made >10 mistakes then
[15:53] <ALMA_Marcel> now only 3
[15:54] <R6mco> what needs to be erased on the card then ?
[15:55] <costyn> R6mco: test files
[15:55] <ALMA_Marcel> the test movie of the night before
[15:55] <ALMA_Marcel> it helps to have a printed checklist and use it
[15:55] <costyn> ALMA_Marcel: that's why we had a 'draaidboek' (sorry can't think of EN word); prepared before hand, so we couldn't forget anything
[15:55] <edmoore> back in the day mistakes were often more amusing
[15:56] <edmoore> like, i remember doing a launch with someone who let go, then ran over to their laptop to look at the screen
[15:56] <costyn> edmoore: undone knots and such? balloons launched into trees? :)
[15:56] <edmoore> and then said 'oh, i forgot to include altitude in my telementry'
[15:56] <costyn> edmoore: hahaha
[15:56] <edmoore> people forgetting to wire the pyro into the firing circuit
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[15:57] <edmoore> checking continuity on pyros before launch is A Good Idea)
[15:57] <costyn> edmoore: ha... cutdowns... not many people using them any more I think?
[15:57] <edmoore> no not really
[15:57] <craag_ph1lcrump> At the scouts launch I let one of them tie the payload to the balloon. Luckily I was still holding it when it came undone..
[15:58] <edmoore> in these puritanical times
[15:58] <edmoore> everyone's gone a bit vegetarian
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[15:58] <edmoore> actually one of the reasons for cutdowns was to stop things going into the sea
[15:58] <edmoore> this was before we wrote the predictor
[15:58] <edmoore> so you just had something like a trigger at 60km radius from the launch site, say
[15:59] <costyn> edmoore: hehe ok yea it's made a lot of difference that piece of code
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[16:02] <edmoore> costyn, yup
[16:03] <edmoore> also in the past people used to fly more creative things, e.g. payloads that would split in flight
[16:03] <edmoore> drop an experimental glider off at 5km up or whatever
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[16:03] <edmoore> nowadays it just seems to be cameras with trackers
[16:04] <costyn> edmoore: well guys in the UK are doing fun stuff. like with Superman the other day
[16:04] <jarod> ah, super nice pic, too bad its down :)
[16:05] <costyn> jarod: what do you mean?
[16:05] <edmoore> that's not really experimental though, just commerical, and it still went wrong
[16:05] <costyn> edmoore: and it's only the veterans who do fun stuff... maybe there are just more noobies around who want to try it out a couple times, but don't go for the silly stuff
[16:05] <edmoore> costyn, nope
[16:05] <R6mco> is there another hab in the air now ?
[16:05] <edmoore> like i said, back then everyone was n00b
[16:06] <edmoore> there's a definite shift in culture, i'm saying that as someone there since the beginning
[16:06] <costyn> edmoore: I have no idea why it would be
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[16:06] <costyn> edmoore: but you're undoubtably right
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[16:10] <jarod> costyn could you guys steer the loon?
[16:12] <costyn> jarod: what?
[16:13] <costyn> R6mco: no, no other balloons in the air
[16:13] <costyn> R6mco: except the B's: http://spacenear.us/tracker/flyb.php
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[16:14] <R6mco> what are the frequencies, or are these 'normal' weather balloons ?
[16:15] <costyn> R6mco: the B's use APRS
[16:15] <jarod> Copyright the balloon followed the road :P
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[16:15] <jarod> Copyright ... lol .. costyn i mean
[16:16] <costyn> jarod: ah yea I see what you mean
[16:16] <R6mco> costyn: ah.. ok .. AX25 based ?
[16:16] <gonzo__> I recon leo can claim squatters rights!
[16:17] <costyn> R6mco: http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/
[16:17] <costyn> R6mco: http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-66/
[16:18] <costyn> R6mco: not sure how the tracker is made, but it's bloody brilliant
[16:18] <costyn> surely some black magic going on with that battery
[16:18] <gonzo__> just good engineering
[16:19] <costyn> gonzo__: yea but that lipo ...
[16:19] <costyn> gonzo__: being used so far out of spec :)
[16:19] <R6mco> ok.. I'm a total n00b concerning this phenomenon, other than that I co-organise the yearly balloon foxhunt in Holland every year
[16:19] <R6mco> ok.. its dinner time
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[16:22] <edmoore> costyn, found an old video: http://vimeo.com/5686559
[16:22] <edmoore> that was 2007 i think
[16:22] <edmoore> it had several cameras and tracker, 3 explosively deployed parachutes, and a small sounding rocket
[16:23] <costyn> haha
[16:23] <costyn> cool
[16:23] <edmoore> and an air-break incase the parachute didn't work
[16:23] <edmoore> but it was sort of typical for flights back then even the current crop of 'vets' don't do much by the standards of everyone coming into it back then
[16:24] <costyn> edmoore: uhuh
[16:24] <edmoore> partly that's evolution at work i guess - for reliability everything converged on rtty on 434mhz with radiometrix modules and 8-bit micros and polystyrene boxes
[16:24] <edmoore> but all of that kind of thing was yet to be settled on then
[16:24] <edmoore> i dunno, i just have a fondness for the older days :)
[16:24] <edmoore> i'm sure todays stuff is probably safer
[16:25] <costyn> but also less scary :)
[16:25] <edmoore> yeah
[16:25] <costyn> edmoore: so you no longer go by eroomde?
[16:26] <costyn> edmoore: and here was my last one, a bit different than a simple box: http://imgur.com/a/Jnktr#1
[16:26] <edmoore> that's more like it!
[16:26] <edmoore> i was eroomde for a bit, not sure why
[16:26] <edmoore> i think less googleable when i was being rude about ESA
[16:27] <edmoore> but i was edmoore from like 2006-2010
[16:27] <costyn> edmoore: was an attempt at stabizling the platform for the cameras, since the boxes are always swingng and turning wildly
[16:27] <costyn> edmoore: heheheh ok
[16:27] <edmoore> i haven't actually launched a balloon since 2010
[16:27] <edmoore> rubbish really
[16:27] <edmoore> oh! we did a star tracker a few years ago
[16:27] <edmoore> built a stabilising thing
[16:27] <edmoore> lemme find the video
[16:27] <arko> :O
[16:28] <ALMA_Marcel> beer time
[16:28] <ALMA_Marcel> cu
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[16:28] <edmoore> http://vimeo.com/3803248
[16:28] <edmoore> allow me to explain:
[16:28] <edmoore> large radial cross-bars, each with several meters of parachute nylon
[16:28] <edmoore> to damp out any rotations
[16:28] <edmoore> the star camera sat in the middle
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[16:28] <costyn> edmoore: cool
[16:28] <edmoore> you can see very little roation during ascent
[16:28] <edmoore> you can see it has 2 balloons
[16:29] <edmoore> one was only just neutrally boyand, 1.5kg
[16:29] <edmoore> the other had about 2kg of free lift
[16:29] <edmoore> it was attached with a pyro
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[16:29] <costyn> edmoore: indeed. I thought of adding fins to our setup, but too much chance of misalignment and getting the opposite effect
[16:29] <costyn> edmoore: this is a nice idea
[16:29] <edmoore> when the payload got to something like 28km, the pyro detached the free-lift balloon, to leave the system hanging under the neautrally boyant one
[16:29] <edmoore> so that we we could get a load of float time for the star camera
[16:29] <costyn> edmoore: cool
[16:30] <edmoore> it also had a cutdown so that after a while of floating it came down
[16:30] <costyn> edmoore: where was the pyro?
[16:30] <edmoore> on the payload
[16:30] <costyn> edmoore: how did you stop it all from tangling?
[16:30] <costyn> the lines
[16:30] <edmoore> the streamers?
[16:31] <edmoore> the balloons tend to stay apart
[16:31] <edmoore> i think we had a Y-shaped line up to them
[16:31] <costyn> oh ok
[16:31] <edmoore> and the yop bit of the Y just naturally stayed apart
[16:31] <costyn> was the payload with the pyro close the baloons?
[16:31] <edmoore> it helped that one balloon wasn't really lifting that much
[16:31] <costyn> ok
[16:31] <edmoore> it just fell to the side until the force on it through tension was low enough that it had the same velocity as the rest of the system
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[16:35] <azzie> apology for interrupting the conversation - i'm planning HAB launch tomorrow, how would I go about adding it to spacenear.us tracker? Call sign KB1YTY...
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[16:36] <edmoore> interruptions about hab are of course welcome! you want to fill in a flight document on habhub.org and then ask the people on #habhub to authorise that document
[16:37] <edmoore> if it's just through aprs then go direct to #habhub and ask them what to do
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[16:37] <edmoore> costyn, in theory loose streamers are not that stable
[16:37] <edmoore> although we put bars in at the trailing edges which helped, i think
[16:38] <edmoore> i think the rolls-royce way of doing this again would be a reaction wheel and a balloon with a valve in the next to get a float
[16:39] <edmoore> costyn, hopefully in this video you can see morte details of the wrigging
[16:39] <edmoore> http://vimeo.com/3803501
[16:39] <edmoore> the plit occurs just after the parachute
[16:39] <edmoore> and the pyro control stuff is just below the parachute
[16:40] <azzie> edmoore: thank you!
[16:40] <edmoore> no probs
[16:41] <edmoore> here is the direct URL for the flight document stuff: http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[16:41] <costyn> edmoore: sorry ... back... was distracted a bit
[16:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03df5wxf_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=df5wxf_chase
[16:45] <costyn> edmoore: ok yea I see it through the pixels
[16:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB1YTY - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=KB1YTY
[16:46] <costyn> azzie: cool.. in the USA, we don't get those that often here
[16:48] <edmoore> we have arko
[16:48] <edmoore> he's all the USA a man could ever need
[16:51] <edmoore> it's strange looking at where KB1YTY is
[16:51] <edmoore> all these british place names
[16:51] <edmoore> chelmsford, manchester, cambridge
[16:51] <edmoore> tewksbury
[16:52] <edmoore> andover... why would you name a place after andover!?
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[16:54] <costyn> edmoore: it's called New ENgland for a reason :P
[16:54] <edmoore> true that
[16:54] <costyn> now if only New Amsterdam had stayed that way... :P
[16:54] <edmoore> is there a new amsterdam?
[16:54] <costyn> Amsterdam is much cooler than York, nay?
[16:55] <edmoore> yes it is
[16:55] <costyn> Well when the Dutch sold it to the Brits the Brits renamed it to New York
[16:55] <edmoore> i'd rather live in amsterdam
[16:56] <mightymik> i'd rather live on oakstedam than oaklandistan
[16:57] <edmoore> i've been to oakland
[16:57] <edmoore> that's all i got to give
[16:57] <edmoore> well actually where i was based would probably like to think of itself as 'berkely borders'
[16:58] <mightymik> the bay area ... oakland,berkeley, san francisco : )
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[16:59] <edmoore> nebulous
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[17:13] <arko> costyn: woo! USA USA USA!
[17:13] <costyn> arko: :)
[17:13] <arko> land of the free, home of the whopper
[17:13] <arko> which isnt that tasty, innout is way better
[17:13] <daveake> fuddruckers
[17:13] <arko> LOL
[17:14] <arko> i remember idiocracy every time
[17:14] <costyn> arko: so I've heard, never been to innout before tho
[17:14] <arko> costyn: you are missing out, i recommend it at least once in your life time
[17:14] <daveake> never been either
[17:14] <arko> yall need some
[17:14] <edmoore> bbl
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[17:15] <costyn> arko: sure but they are somewhat limited in their distirbution I understand
[17:15] <arko> yeah
[17:15] <arko> it was california only for a while
[17:15] <arko> but now they have some in oregon, arizona, and nevada i think
[17:16] <arko> it maybe overrated, but i love it every now and then
[17:16] <costyn> arko: hehe ok
[17:16] <arko> i just dont want to over hype
[17:16] <arko> also this isn't very hab related :P
[17:17] <costyn> arko: well theres no hab related convo at the moment so hype all you want
[17:18] <arko> hah
[17:19] <arko> i just got some coffee, so im feeling much better
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[17:24] <bertrik> how did ALMA-2 go?
[17:25] <costyn> bertrik: very well
[17:26] <costyn> bertrik: check the pic on facebook, incredible
[17:26] <costyn> bertrik: recovery after like 15 mins after landing in a field
[17:26] <bertrik> nice!
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[17:28] <bertrik> looks like everything went well this time
[17:28] <costyn> yes
[17:29] <costyn> nice and easy field I see https://www.facebook.com/HABALMA/photos/pcb.529744357172066/529741950505640/?type=1&theater
[17:29] <bertrik> that picture with the sun in the frame is nice, not over- or underexposed
[17:30] <costyn> yea its awesome
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[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[17:43] <gb73d> Hi
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[17:55] <costyn> gb73d: hello
[18:10] <gb73d> eveming
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[18:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03STS-13 after 03a day silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=STS-13
[18:26] <costyn> nice feature of the bot
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[18:49] <jededu> ping upu
[18:49] <Upu> pong jededu
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[18:50] <jededu> Hi upu any chance of removing EDUPIC2 from the map i might fly tomorrow
[18:51] <jededu> With new Hwoyee 100g
[18:57] <jededu> Thx upu
[18:57] <Upu> oh yeah done it :)
[18:57] <Upu> sorry
[18:57] <Upu> lol
[18:57] <jededu> ;)
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[19:09] <Jp_> Is ther much differce in using DominoEX instead of RTTY?
[19:12] <Upu> its more resiliant against noise
[19:13] <mikestir> nicely understated
[19:13] <mikestir> also sounds cooler
[19:13] <Upu> yeah sounds way cooler :)
[19:14] <Upu> there is lots of maths in it but the way the tones are transmitted are designed to work where signals are weak
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[19:15] <Upu> but you do need to be using a TCXO equipped transmitter
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[19:45] <R6mco> was the rtty this afternoon real fsk or afsk ?
[19:45] <craag_ph1lcrump> real fsk
[19:46] <R6mco> with what kind of device ?
[19:46] <craag_ph1lcrump> I'm not such, the most commonly used in the UK is the Radiometrix NTX2B
[19:46] <craag_ph1lcrump> *not sure
[19:46] <chrisstubbs> Has anyone ever picked up any dry ice from a store in the UK before? There are plenty of places online but it seems its not so common for stores to have anymore.
[19:46] <R6mco> I saw that NTX2B (iirc) was an FM device with fixed frequency ?
[19:47] <craag_ph1lcrump> R6mco: Yes, but it's a voltage-> frequency modulation
[19:47] <craag_ph1lcrump> so by stepping the voltage input up and down, we can shift the carrier frequency back and forth
[19:48] <craag_ph1lcrump> R6mco: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[19:48] <R6mco> let me look
[19:49] <daveake> chrisstubbs I've only ordered it online
[19:50] <mikestir> chrisstubbs: got any local biotech places? got some friends who work in that field and I think they get stuff delivered in it quite a lot - the dry ice is their eqivalent of those empty bags of air, so they'd probably give it away
[19:52] <chrisstubbs> Good thought, we may even use it where I work. Lots of LN2 but that might be a bit extreme!
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[19:53] <mikestir> watch out for the dry ice though - there was a story at one of the local startups where the new guy put a delivery in the walk-in fridge without unpacking it. purged all the oxygen from the room
[19:53] <chrisstubbs> aha
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