highaltitude.log.20140918

[00:00] <adamgreig> thanks :)
[00:00] <adamgreig> all parts cleared customs and arrived and everything but now frantically doing all the various prep work
[00:00] <adamgreig> sanding, drilling, et cetera
[00:02] <arko> :D
[00:02] <arko> good luck man, be safe
[00:06] <amell> adamgreig: rocket? where are you launching?
[00:08] <amell> ooh, b-64 is back. ping leobodnar. looks like lots of log is coming in.
[00:09] <adamgreig> amell: black rock desergt
[00:09] <amell> looks like b-64 is going to start lap 5.
[00:10] <amell> adamgreig: oh. BALLS?
[00:10] <adamgreig> yea
[00:11] <amell> B-64 Length: 88912.59 km Duration: 67d 17h
[00:12] <amell> crazy :)
[00:12] <Laurenceb_> close the 10 weeks
[00:14] <amell> looking at b64 battery...
[00:14] <amell> max v is 4.0
[00:15] <amell> seems in much better shape power wise than b66
[00:16] <amell> discharge curve is much slower than 66
[00:16] <DL7AD> amell: yeah it will probably die one day :/
[00:16] <Laurenceb_> i think B-66 went semi short circuit
[00:17] <amell> DL7AD: yes, one day, when we are all star dust.
[00:17] <Laurenceb_> due to very low temperature discharge
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[05:57] <Rebounder> B64 alive.. :)
[05:58] <Rebounder> are we never going to see new balloons from leo? ;)
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[06:14] <x-f> around New Year maybe :)
[06:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03B-66 after 03a day silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=B-66
[06:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, B-66 !! :)
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[07:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BC02 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=BC02
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[07:36] <EwanP_w> !hysplit B-66
[07:36] <SpacenearUS> 03EwanP_w: HYSPLIT for 03B-66 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/140918-04_164342_B66.gif
[07:37] <EwanP_w> !hysplit run B-66
[07:37] <SpacenearUS> 03EwanP_w: You need to be an admin to do that.
[07:39] <amell> hopefully we get some log from b66, enough to cover the atlantic.
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[07:40] <amell> given the angle of approach to the UK im wondering if it actually went south
[07:40] <EwanP_w> Hi can an admin run hysplit for b-66 please. I'd like to check times over Scandinavia to see if will have passed before I get home from work.
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[07:52] <x-f> EwanP_w, http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/167704_trj001.gif
[07:58] <EwanP_w> Thanks, well to the south of me at 18:00 UTC, though the guys Denmark should be in luck.
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[08:00] <EwanP_w> I'll see if I can hear anything this afternoon but this will be my first attempt at tracking.
[08:01] <x-f> good luck :)
[08:01] <x-f> hopefully it will be transmitting
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[08:12] <fsphil> ah -66 came back
[08:13] <fsphil> it snuck past me like a ninja
[08:20] <amell> backlog importer doesnt seem to be running?
[08:21] <amell> we have two Bs online at present sending backlog data.
[08:22] <amell> who has to do it, is it LeoBodnar?
[08:30] <mightymik> isn't that 3rd time round for b-66?
[08:38] <amell> yep. started lap 4.
[08:38] <amell> b-64 is on its 4th lap, coming up to start lap 5.
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[10:14] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[10:19] <fsphil> yo
[10:20] <craag_philcrump> howdy
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[10:31] <amell> can anyone run b-66 backlog importer?
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[11:07] <jededu> ping upu
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[11:24] <tweetBot> @thecraag: The SUWS Microwave WebSDR is now on port 80 and at the proper address! http://t.co/CFG5gTpMxN #ukhas #hamr #hamradio #amsat
[11:29] <MaXimaN> Hmmmm
[11:29] <MaXimaN> 3.8V by midday
[11:32] <MaXimaN> !flights
[11:32] <SpacenearUS> 03MaXimaN: Current flights: 03ALMA-2 10(ff26)
[11:32] <MaXimaN> B-66 needs re-adding or extending
[11:33] <SpeedEvil> 4 too
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[11:37] <MaXimaN> Look at the telemetry, it looks like the damaged solar cell hypothesis might be more likely
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[11:40] <SpeedEvil> On the mobile tracker - how does one zoom out of the telemetery?
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[11:42] <myier> double click SpeedEvil
[11:42] <SpeedEvil> ah
[11:42] <DL7AD> good afternoon
[11:42] <MaXimaN> Afternoon
[11:46] <SpeedEvil> hmm.
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[11:46] <SpeedEvil> For a snapped solar cell - or a broken wing - you're not going to see the peak voltage changing at all I guess
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[11:47] <SpeedEvil> You'd see the charge rate drop.
[11:47] <SpeedEvil> i guess the important bit is what's the cell voltage drop overnight
[11:47] <MaXimaN> It might drop a little depending on the output of the cells
[11:47] <MaXimaN> But yes, drop in current
[11:48] <MaXimaN> Either that or something has accumulated on the cells... such as volcanic dust
[11:49] <SpeedEvil> 3V-3.5V in one hour (I wonder if the sequence number indicates a reboot)
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[11:50] <MaXimaN> I'm not sure if the sequence number is persisted, but Leo did say there is no state machine
[11:51] <SpeedEvil> On 8/5 it went from ~3.3-3.93 (_lots_ more energy in one hour
[11:51] <amell> how would it do backlog without state machine?
[11:52] <amell> in fact, is there any backlog?
[11:52] <MaXimaN> backlog != state machine
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> Assuming stuff.
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> 3-3.5 is well under half the energy of 3.3-3.93
[11:53] <SpeedEvil> Somethings gone very wrong
[11:53] <SpeedEvil> Oh - nvm
[11:53] <SpeedEvil> That was at t_int of -44
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[12:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BC03 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=BC03
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[13:29] <SSC_Alex> Afternoon guys
[13:30] <SSC_Alex> We are going to try launch our VR2SPC payload again this weekend. Could someone approve our flight doc please?
[13:30] <SSC_Alex> 9ace4dfedbcdefdd6cf86ce3a874f584
[13:34] <aadamson> SSC_Alex, you need to make that request in the #habhub channel, that's where the admins hang out who can make the approval
[13:36] <aadamson> and include that id number, the bot on that channel is smart now thanks to lz1dev and will pull up what the admins need to make approval quick and easy
[13:37] <Rebounder> evening!
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[14:38] <SSC_Alex> join /#habhub
[14:39] <craag_philcrump> SSC_Alex: /join #habhub
[14:39] <SSC_Alex> haha, thanks
[14:39] <craag_philcrump> np :)
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[15:19] <G8JNJ> !flights
[15:19] <SpacenearUS> 03G8JNJ: Current flights: 03ALMA-2 10(ff26)
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[15:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03STS-13 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=STS-13
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[15:41] <SV5DKL> STS-13 is still alive!
[15:41] <SV5DKL> 434.499 USB is DEAD. only 437.692,88 working right now.
[15:43] <Laurenceb> its impressive when balloons are more reliable than habitat
[15:43] <Laurenceb> the mobile tracker is dead
[15:46] <Laurenceb> lol its firefox instadeath
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[15:50] <lz1dev> Laurenceb: are you browsing with a patato?
[15:50] <Laurenceb> lol
[15:50] <Laurenceb> its back now
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[15:55] <lz1dev> :D
[15:55] <lz1dev> pro tip
[15:55] <lz1dev> don't open the telemetry graph, when following Bs
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[16:00] <Laurenceb> ah thats what i tried
[16:00] <lz1dev> when it is openned it will redraw the entire thing, for new packets
[16:01] <lz1dev> and with the B-64 having 44,000 packets
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[16:30] <EwanP> Hi can someone advice on setup of fldigi for tracking?
[16:30] <EwanP> I'm inside the green circle for B-66
[16:31] <lz1dev> there is autoconfigure but the flight docs for Bs have expired
[16:31] <lz1dev> !payload b-64
[16:31] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[16:31] <lz1dev> derp
[16:32] <EwanP> I guess no one expected them to still be operational >60 day after launch.
[16:32] <lz1dev> more like forgot to extend the flight doc :)
[16:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03100_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=100_chase
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[16:33] <lz1dev> !id 7ea204a4c8bc4ba2c36ae171c4251cd0
[16:33] <SpacenearUS> Payload config 03B-64 10(7ea204a4c8bc4ba2c36ae171c4251cd0) - 12http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/7ea204a4c8bc4ba2c36ae171c4251cd0
[16:33] <SpacenearUS> Callsign(s): 03B-64
[16:33] <SpacenearUS> Transmission #0: 03Primary - 03434.5 MHz USB 03DominoEX with speed 0316
[16:33] <EwanP> If I'm to configure manually what mode should I select?
[16:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0350_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=50_chase
[16:34] <lz1dev> B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000
[16:34] <lz1dev> same for b66
[16:35] <EwanP> Ok thanks, I'll try that.
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[16:37] <mattbrejza> youll need to set the modem to contestia manually though
[16:37] <mattbrejza> or rsid
[16:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26543754/dl.JPG like that but for 64/1000
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[16:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> EwanP: qrg?
[16:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> og B-66
[16:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> *of
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[17:03] <EwanP> Woo hoo, just got greens, first ever success at flight tracking :)
[17:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> on what exact freq?
[17:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> nice by the way, its fun tracki´n :)
[17:04] <maxmed> Hi, I know that foil tape can block gps antennas but does anyone know if those kinda plastic space blankets prevent chipscale anttenas from getting a lock?
[17:04] <Rebounder> SA6BSS-Mike: allo (natta barn först)
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[17:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> Rebounder: tja, bygger altan, kör 3m2 mackadam från framsidan till baksidan...puh, frugan tar hand om nattninigen
[17:13] <EwanP> SA6BSS-Mike> I am seeing B-66 at 434.5045. There is a sequence of tones at 5 second intervals with the data package transmitted every 4 minutes I think.
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[17:17] <MaXimaN> EwanP: That's the one
[17:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> EwanP: tnx
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[17:25] <EwanP> We don't see many HAB here in Norway so little chance to practice. When B66 returned and looked to be heading our way I thought this was my chance.
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[17:29] <maxmed> also, does anyoen know if a chipscale antenna is omnidirectional? or should it have a certain orientation?
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[17:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> omni, just solder it
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[17:39] <maxmed> ok, I just wanted to know if my gps breakout board with chipscale antenna should be pointing upwards or something, but sounds like it doesnt matter.
[17:39] <MaXimaN> EwanP: Are you using dl-fldigi too?
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[17:48] <Rebounder> SA6BSS-Mike: kul motion!
[17:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> ja, nu tog rugan över en liten stund :) ska vara jämnlikt idag :) hehehe
[17:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> ny antenn och mastmonterat lna, ska bli spännande
[17:50] <Rebounder> SA6BSS-Mike: schysst
[17:50] <Rebounder> SA6BSS-Mike: jag verkra hamna på gränsen till horisonten om ens det
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[17:54] <ike> they are here
[17:55] <ike> I didn't know that
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[17:55] <ike> now you can buy dorji from ebay
[17:55] <ike> but don't rush it
[17:56] <ike> just wait 2-3 weeks to gain more sells
[17:56] <ike> http://www.ebay.com/sch/dorjigroup/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
[17:56] <qyx_> wat
[17:56] <ike> $14 for 1W APRS TX
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[17:58] <amell> is there really no backlog data for B-66?
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[18:13] <EwanP> MaXimaN: Yes I have dl-fldigi.
[18:14] <MaXimaN> Have you been able to decode?
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[18:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[18:14] <MaXimaN> And B-64 also materialises
[18:15] <EwanP> B-66 is fading now signal is also drifting now at 434.502 but falling fast.
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[18:15] <EwanP> Will try for one more decode...
[18:15] <MaXimaN> EwanP: Even with fading, contestia is pretty reslient
[18:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> why is b-66 not on the map?
[18:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> you have to cklick in the top left, b-map
[18:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://spacenear.us/tracker/flyb.php
[18:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ahh ok i see
[18:16] <Rebounder> hello
[18:18] <Rebounder> OZ1SKY_Brian: you seem to get a perfect path from b66 :)
[18:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hear the beeps
[18:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Rebounder yes looks like it
[18:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> running apr reciver and I getting MOCER-6 :9
[18:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
[18:19] <mattbrejza> no b66 log due to power loss?
[18:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> OZ1SKY_Brian: dial?
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[18:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 434.497.0 @1500Hz
[18:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> great !
[18:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> it has a 200-250Hz drift +/-
[18:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> at 1700Hz now
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[18:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but only beeps, no data
[18:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> oki, its getting cold up there
[18:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> still only beeps
[18:26] <EwanP> Now lost the signal but like OZ1SKY-Brian I was only getting the beeps no data packet. Last decode was 12 minutes ago.
[18:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> did you hear data 12min ago?
[18:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> beeps are getting intermitted
[18:32] <EwanP> Sorry moving between rooms it was 20 min, now. I'll post the last package.
[18:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok 20:12cet ca
[18:36] <SA6BSS-Mike> getting b66 on aprs https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26543754/m0xer.JPG
[18:37] <EwanP> Yes thats CET. Last decode was $$B-66,326,180911,140918,58.035,5.7573,13492,9,-37,3.3,0.3*529D
[18:37] <SA6BSS-Mike> batteries toast after 2 month circeling the earth
[18:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes looks like it, no data at all on 70cm, only random beeps
[18:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[18:41] <EwanP> Sorry for a noob question but is there a way in dl-fldigi to save all the text is the decode window, other than to cut and past into an editor?
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[18:41] <EwanP> is / in
[18:42] <pc1pcl> I think right click on the pane with the text, then save as?
[18:43] <EwanP> Like I said noob question. Thanks.
[18:48] <Rebounder> :)
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[18:50] <maxmed> Hi, I've already asked this earlier on today but got no response: I know that foil tape can block gps antennas but does anyone know if those "plasticy" space blankets prevent chipscale anttenas from getting a lock? like that foily stuff inside lunchboxes?
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> yes, they may
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> In general, there is no reason to put foil inside your paylaod
[18:51] <UpuWork> anything metallic can cause issues
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[18:51] <SpeedEvil> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/3d-pocketcopter-the-flying-camera/x/8226596 - does a copter like this actually in principle need a swashplate?
[18:52] <SpeedEvil> Can't it steer by weight-shift?
[18:53] <maxmed> hmm, so you guys generally just use styrofoam insulation? Seems due to the low air pressue that something to reflect the radiated heat would be more effecitve
[18:53] <SpeedEvil> To a first order.
[18:53] <SpeedEvil> Conduction by the air is unchanged.
[18:53] <SpeedEvil> Convection is largely eliminated.
[18:53] <SpeedEvil> Radiation is unchanged.
[18:54] <SpeedEvil> In practice - especially if you've got a camera in the box - keeping warm isn't an issue
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[18:55] <maxmed> okay, do you think the gps,NTX2B and the arduino mini need much insulation if in a box by themselves?
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[18:56] <UpuWork> I would provide some insulation yes
[18:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> B-66 now 434.495.7 @1500Hz drifting down
[18:57] <maxmed> what kind of thickness styrofoam would you suggest? or is there something better?
[18:58] <UpuWork> it doesn't need much
[18:58] <maxmed> 10mm?
[18:58] <UpuWork> 15mm-25mm
[18:58] <UpuWork> fine
[18:58] <UpuWork> won't be very strong
[18:58] <UpuWork> but yeah fine
[18:58] <UpuWork> !whereis B-66
[18:58] <SpacenearUS> 03UpuWork: 03B-66 was over 03North Sea 10(57.9621,5.9182) at 0313472 meters about 0323 minutes ago
[18:58] <UpuWork> !track B-66
[18:58] <SpacenearUS> 03UpuWork: Here you go - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=B-66
[18:58] <maxmed> it will have a plastic shell which will provide the strength, I will aim for about 15mm
[18:58] <fsphil> B-66 went into stealth mode over me
[18:59] <fsphil> tried to get around my B repeller
[18:59] <fsphil> that or my antenna really is broken
[18:59] <UpuWork> can use those styrofoam balls from Ebayt
[18:59] <UpuWork> anyway afk
[19:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> will chack back in 1½-2hours
[19:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> check
[19:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> todayB66 woke up at 6.48 utc, it will probaly be in range if the same happens tomrrow morning
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[19:05] <LazyLeopard> Meh.
[19:06] Action: LazyLeopard contemplates a complete system re-install, with much tighter control over what actually gets added...
[19:07] Nick change: jiffe_ -> jiffe
[19:07] Action: LazyLeopard can't re-build dl-fldigi and get it to work. Crashes somewhere in sound setup, I think...
[19:08] Action: LazyLeopard suspects something in Debian testing is working against it...
[19:10] <LazyLeopard> Guess it's all a bit close to the edge...
[19:14] <qyx_> jessie? no problems here
[19:14] <qyx_> updated ~2weeks ago
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[19:35] <LazyLeopard> qyx: you built dl-fldigi from source on jessie?
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[19:35] <LazyLeopard> I've got it to build. It just crashes on start-up.
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[19:37] <daveake> i've had that on Windows
[19:37] <daveake> Deleted the config folder then it went through the setup stuff on startup
[19:37] <daveake> After which it was fine
[19:37] <qyx_> LazyLeopard: no, just the sound works okay :P
[19:38] <LazyLeopard> Tried that.
[19:38] <daveake> I think it got confused because I added a new sound device
[19:38] <daveake> ok
[19:39] <LazyLeopard> I've a feeling there's a mish-mash of ALSA, Portaudio, and what the what else, and it gets its knickers thoroughly knotted...
[19:40] <qyx_> which sources are you building?
[19:40] <LazyLeopard> As per the wiki
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[19:41] <qyx_> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi:build-ubuntu
[19:41] <qyx_> thi sone?
[19:41] <LazyLeopard> ...pulled from https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi
[19:41] <LazyLeopard> Yeah.
[19:42] <qyx_> hopefully there won't be many dependencies
[19:42] <LazyLeopard> The autoreconf bitches lots about subdir-options.
[19:44] <qyx_> same here
[19:45] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm...
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[19:46] <qyx_> i mean the subdir warnings
[19:47] <LazyLeopard> Yeah. They're just warnings, of the "doom is coming but we'll let you live for now" variety.
[19:47] <maxmed> Hi, I need to connect my GPS breakout to my arduino via hardware serial, obviously I need to be able to disconnect the gps for programming, would people recomend using some sort of connector or a switch?
[19:49] <LazyLeopard> I think a complete clean re-install with a lot less random junk is probably a good idea...
[19:49] <qyx_> LazyLeopard: which sound sstem did you chose?
[19:49] <qyx_> choose
[19:49] <LazyLeopard> That, I suspect, is the problem. I think various bits have pulled in avary sound system known...
[19:50] <LazyLeopard> every sound system...
[19:50] <qyx_> i use pulseaudio here
[19:50] <LazyLeopard> ...which means things will fight.
[19:50] <qyx_> ok, configure detected libpulse-dev correctly
[19:55] <mfa298> LazyLeopard: you may find the section at the bottom about the stable version on 14.04 helps - that would at least give the same version as it published to use rather than the dodgy bleeding edge version.
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[19:58] <LazyLeopard> mfa298: 14.04?
[19:58] <qyx_> theres is ommitted dependency on gettext
[19:59] <qyx_> in configure and not mentioned on wiki also
[20:00] <LazyLeopard> mfa298: Ah. Ubuntu...
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[20:02] <mfa298> sorry, yes on the build-ubuntu wiki page
[20:03] <qyx_> Caught signal 11
[20:03] <qyx_> Aborting dl-fldigi due to a fatal error.
[20:03] <qyx_> meh
[20:04] <qyx_> btw it is probably --hab related bug as it works okay without it
[20:04] <qyx_> LazyLeopard: yould you try that?
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[20:05] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Ok...
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[20:11] <LazyLeopard> Yes, it starts without --hab, and dies if --hab is given.
[20:12] <bertrik> LazyLeopard: I remember seeing a problem with dl-fldigi with those symptoms when the home station information is not filled
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[20:17] <LazyLeopard> bertrik: Ok. That gets things further. Thanks.
[20:18] <LazyLeopard> Needed to go into DL Client configuration and set things up when started without --hab, nnot forgetting to Save the configuration.
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[20:21] <mfa298> I think I saw the same thing at one point. Possibly when testing bleeding edge rather than the DL3.1 version.
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[20:23] <LazyLeopard> Next step is to figure out what's happened to the USBserial stuff that used to mean the 817 would talk to it, but which stopped working about two update cycles back...
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[20:24] <LazyLeopard> ...and then next step is to see whether it'll cooperate in any way with the FunCube, or whether that was just a waste of dosh.
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[20:37] <mfa298> you'll probably need something like gqrx for the fcd then try piping the audio through somehow
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[20:49] <LazyLeopard> gqrx doesn't seem to exist in Debian testing...
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[20:56] <nats`> uhhhmmm
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[21:06] <pc1pcl> LazyLeopard: "gqrx-sdr"?
[21:08] <LazyLeopard> "aptitude search gqrx" found nothing.
[21:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> back, but b-66 is gone, gess it ran out of batt. lets hope it reapear at sun up
[21:08] <LazyLeopard> ...on Debian jessie.
[21:09] <bertrik> the package is called gqrx-sdr IIRC
[21:09] <kf7fer> ike: I'm a bit late but those are the same radio modules that NiceRF sells
[21:09] <bertrik> sorry, should have read earlier message more closely
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[21:10] <pc1pcl> :(
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[21:10] <LazyLeopard> Ho hum.
[21:11] <ike> kf7fer those modules was on https://www.tindie.com/stores/DORJI_COM/
[21:11] <ike> now you can get them from ebay
[21:12] <kf7fer> https://www.tindie.com/products/NiceRF/high-integrated-embedded-walkie-talkie-module-sa818-with-rda1846s-chip-uhfvhf-module/
[21:12] <kf7fer> same module looks like
[21:12] <kf7fer> interesting. Is buying from eBay better?
[21:13] <kf7fer> Might even be cheaper to buy directly from the vendor? I know Nicerf offers a quantity discount if you buy direct (qty 25+)
[21:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn
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[21:14] <kf7fer> anyways +1 for DORJI for giving the pin layout from the top and not bottom
[21:15] <ALMA_Marcel> hi
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[21:17] <ike> kf7fer IDK
[21:17] <ike> I have one
[21:17] <ike> but I don't have time to test it :(
[21:17] <ike> I don't know if it work at all
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[21:24] <kf7fer> ike: Well I've been working with the SA818 and it seems to work fine. I couldn't see any differences in the DORJI module (the pinout is identical)
[21:25] <kf7fer> Specifically https://github.com/KF7FER/leoTracker
[21:25] <ike> I think that they buy them and re-brand them
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[21:25] <kf7fer> which vendor?
[21:25] <ike> kf7fer that is nice
[21:25] <ike> IDK
[21:26] <kf7fer> ike: thanks. I was hoping there were multiple sources since I can see this module being pretty useful
[21:26] <ike> you know on ebay you can buy identical modules like bluetooth or SAW433 from different sellers made at 1 factory
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[21:27] <kf7fer> ike: Hmmm... different prices too? That's kinda depressing in a way
[21:27] <kf7fer> but I didn't know that
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[22:07] <amell> ooh. airspy shipping in october.
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[22:11] <amell> btw, why did b-66 shut down? is it definately battery voltage? 2.95v was last reported value.
[22:13] <ulfr> Aliens..
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[22:16] <SpeedEvil> It should run to under 3V
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> If you look - it has done so in the past
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[22:46] <amell> question: two rfm98 modules sat right next to each other - should they be able to tx/rx without antennas? wondering if i actually need to put antenna on.
[22:46] <SpeedEvil> They may have toomuch signal
[22:46] <amell> so they should be able to hear each other if i keep them far apart.
[22:46] <daveake> ime they'll be fine
[22:46] <amell> just wondering if antennas are compulsory
[22:47] <ike> you need antenna
[22:47] <SpeedEvil> http://abcnews.go.com/International/pope-francis-hat-auction-ebay/story?id=25604886 hatters gonna hat.
[22:47] <amell> ike: really?
[22:47] <ike> because all the power will go back into transmitter
[22:47] <amell> chip radiation not enough?
[22:48] <ike> signal goes to with speed of light*0.66 to the antenna pin
[22:48] <daveake> 10mW it's not going to do any harm
[22:48] <ike> and if there is no antenna then it goes back to transmitter
[22:49] <craag_philcrump> I'd personally crank it down to 1mw for extended operation without antennas
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[22:49] <craag_philcrump> But 10mw won't kill it
[22:49] <qyx_> at 1mW without antenna you get about 5cm range
[22:49] <qyx_> with rfm69
[22:49] <amell> ill put a clip on wire on each module
[22:50] <daveake> Since an antenna is 0p worth of wire and solder, just do it
[22:50] <amell> remind me again what the length was for 433mhz. 168mm?
[22:50] <qyx_> ~164
[22:50] <daveake> not a factor for same room
[22:51] <ike> frequency is 433.92MHz
[22:51] <amell> ok. they are not hearing each other, not sure why, guess im going to have to bodge a debug serial port onto another arduino. arse.
[22:51] <ike> not 433MHz
[22:52] <qyx_> daveake: it won't work even in the same room, i tried with mismatched antennas (gsm on 433)
[22:53] <amell> back to the shed, wife wont let me solder in the study. lol. back in a bit.
[22:53] Action: mikestir is allowed to solder in the utility room - must try harder amell
[22:53] <amell> i need to get an extractor or something.
[22:53] <daveake> clearly you need to start wearing trousers, and not just to protect from solder splashes
[22:54] <Ian__> 433.92MHz, not using cheap Chinese door opener quality OOK devices? Ian solders where he likes except the kitchen.
[22:54] <mattbrejza> once soldered sitting on the floor with shorts
[22:54] <mattbrejza> much regret
[22:55] Action: daveake once trod, barefoot, on soldering iron resting on carpet at Uni
[22:55] <daveake> also much regret
[22:55] <mattbrejza> :S
[22:55] <daveake> and a faithfull copy of the bit on the underside of my foot
[22:55] <Ian__> I used to flick solder off my iron when wearing jeans and then got posted to Aden and quickly changed my habits. Hot, hot, hot Dave, was that the year you learned to hop?
[22:55] <mattbrejza> that seems much worse
[22:55] <amell> oh try dropping a blowtorch while soldering CH pipes.
[22:55] <daveake> first thing I noticed was the smell of the carpet ....
[22:56] <daveake> The blister burst 2 weeks later when catching a frisbee
[22:56] <Ian__> Followed by WTF, hughe hop, trying not to put pressure on affected foot.
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[22:59] <Ian__> Does anyone know what the Land Rover Frontierer legend is on the dash that looks like an amber exclamation mark and a vehicle on a downward sloping surface?
[23:00] <mikestir> hill descent control?
[23:00] <Ian__> Thanks mike, how do I make it go away?
[23:00] <mikestir> no idea
[23:00] <amell> freelander?
[23:01] <amell> its the switch on the gear lever
[23:01] <amell> if it wont go away when the switch is off, you have a fault.
[23:02] <Ian__> OK, I'll buy that. It seems permanently lit, at least I must be safe going down hills. I see the switch on the gear lever, but that seemed to lev me put the gear stick in an up or down position, with no apparent affect on the legend.
[23:02] <amell> are you auto or manual?
[23:03] <Ian__> A, you mean the garage has a problem . . . Also a bottle of clutch fluid in the door pocket - suspect an issue there too. It;s manual and only on loan until tomorrow afternoon.
[23:03] <amell> oh, well dont worry as the HDC will only work if youre below a certain speed. 5mph or so.
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[23:03] <amell> does it flash when you go fast?
[23:04] <Ian__> No, althoug i'm notmally looking out the windscreen when I'm going very fast :)
[23:04] <Ian__> Does that mean that I'm not going fast enough . . ? It's quite steady, just glares at me.
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[23:06] <amell> if its solid on and not flashing and switching gear lever switch on and off makes no diff, you probably have ABS fault.
[23:06] <Ian__> The red SRS legend is lit too, but Mr Google told me about that; seat belt switch or airbag. The orange fuel light was well lit too. Hoping that when I take it back I can have that lit again too.
[23:07] <amell> sounds like a screwed up car. take it back
[23:07] <qyx_> :D
[23:07] <Ian__> My Picasso was in for service and MoT and was delayed due to a broken spring. I think that the Frontiera is a bit of a crock, not from the gold end of the rainbow, for sure.
[23:08] <amell> Frontiera? what the heck is that.
[23:08] <amell> You do mean landrover freelander yes?
[23:08] <Ian__> Land Rover Frontiera (thought Vauxhaull used to make them)
[23:08] <amell> which country are you in? never heard of that
[23:09] <craag_philcrump> Vauxhall frontera
[23:09] <craag_philcrump> I've seen a couple around in the uk
[23:09] <daveake> Rebadged Isuzu
[23:09] <Ian__> The People's republic of Sandwell, west Midlands. Honest it says Land Rover on the bonnet and Frontiera on the back.
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[23:09] <mikestir> cut and shut
[23:09] <craag_philcrump> Yeah I used to own an isuzu rodeo, same car
[23:09] <amell> seriously?
[23:10] <daveake> You expect Brummies to be able to spell? :/
[23:10] <amell> i dont believe such a car exists. got a photo?
[23:10] <Ian__> Not yet.
[23:11] <craag_philcrump> What age?
[23:11] <daveake> Opel Frontiera does exist apparently
[23:11] <amell> landrover across the bonnet and frontiera written on the boot lid? someones dicking you.
[23:11] <mikestir> what kind of a garage is this that gives you a loan car with an airbag fault?!
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[23:11] <craag_philcrump> Sounds like they've stolen a landrover bonnet :P
[23:12] <mikestir> where it says land rover, is it written in marker pen?
[23:12] <amell> sounds well dodgy, whatever it is. seriously we need to see a picture of this
[23:13] <amell> the reason you dont see many vauxhall fronteras around is that they have all rusted away, they were the height of shit.
[23:13] <daveake> Oh there were higher highs than that
[23:14] <daveake> BL anything for a start. Lancia Delta.
[23:14] <amell> i think ian looked at the back of his car, then looked at the front of next doors car or something.
[23:14] <qyx_> actually if you put landrover frontiera into google images, you will get many landrover police car images
[23:14] <amell> oh aye. the maestro and the montego were bad.
[23:15] <qyx_> there are people with "politia de frontiera", isn't it stolen "rebranded" police? :P
[23:16] <amell> mind, this mastro looks like a good car for habbing in https://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/7868275192/
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[23:17] <amell> its even got the requisite aerials for tracking!
[23:17] <craag_philcrump> lol
[23:17] <craag_philcrump> not sure it'll get out of the launch field..
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[23:24] <Ian__> Doesn't say Frontiera, but says Land Rover . . . :)
[23:26] <Ian__> Looks like this one http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=-PHfEClCGEsX6M&tbnid=b5ki-Urw9RLzgM:&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdanbotoman.blogspot.com%2F2012%2F12%2Fparada-militara-de-ziua-nationala.html&ei=7WkbVPqAAfHy7Abqn4GwCg&bvm=bv.75774317,d.ZGU&psig=AFQjCNHMO1S5L63dXmWsUwt7m0vNliM5Gg&ust=1411169109625912
[23:27] <Ian__> That would be one for chasing one in a good jet stream amell?
[23:29] <qyx_> the one with a camera on its top?
[23:29] <qyx_> or whatever is it
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[23:30] <Ian__> Ha ha, I assumed that the link was going to be of the picture I had selected. Google has gone downhill recently. i'll try again.
[23:31] <qyx_> it redirected to some blog post with 13 pictures, there is a landrover on the 12th
[23:31] <qyx_> yep, police/military cars
[23:31] <qyx_> http://www.politiadefrontiera.ro/
[23:31] <qyx_> romanian
[23:31] <Ian__> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/2001-2003_Isuzu_Rodeo.jpg/1024px-2001-2003_Isuzu_Rodeo.jpg
[23:32] <qyx_> ok, thats different one
[23:33] <Ian__> As you say also an Isuzu it appears. A bit like the Toyota Pakhera that was launched in Spain a few years ago. Means straw, but unfortunately is slang for a wank.
[23:33] <Ian__> Japanese blushes all round . . .
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[23:39] <daveake> Then there's the Pajero in Spanish speaking countries ...
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[23:39] <daveake> ... where it gets called the Montero
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