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[00:44] <SpeedEvil> kf7fer: GPS is shit at altitude
[00:44] <SpeedEvil> Unless you are living on a radio transparent earth
[00:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03D-6 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=D-6
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[04:28] <DL7AD> morning
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[05:20] <Rebounder> morning!
[05:22] <x-f> morning!
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[05:43] <fox123> Hi, please how frequency and mode STS-13
[05:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> STS-13 QRG is 437.6943
[05:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> usb rtty 50, use auto configuree
[05:45] <fox123> TNX 73
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[07:22] <fox123> Hi, please how frequency and mode STS-13 new
[07:24] <Vostok_> yes
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[07:30] <fox123> Hi, please how frequency and mode STS-13 now
[07:31] <x-f> where is TT7? it should be in the air over Czech Republic now
[07:31] <mfa298> !dial STS-13
[07:31] <SpacenearUS> 03mfa298: Latest dials for 03STS-13 10(3d60): 03434.499 MHz, 437.499 MHz
[07:31] <mfa298> fox123: try one of those
[07:32] <mfa298> or try what you were told a couple of hours ago
[07:32] <fox123> TNX 73
[07:32] <mfa298> 06:44 < SA6BSS-Mike> STS-13 QRG is 437.6943
[07:32] <mfa298> 06:44 < SA6BSS-Mike> usb rtty 50, use auto configuree
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[07:48] <PE2G> !flights
[07:48] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03STS-13 PICO 10(3d60), 03TT7 launch 1 10(0308), 03SP HAM's tech workshop launch  10(4de8)
[07:50] <PE2G> !dial STS-13 PICO
[07:50] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[07:51] <PE2G> !dial STS-13
[07:51] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03STS-13 10(3d60): 03437.499 MHz, 434.499 MHz
[07:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TT7 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=TT7
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[08:10] <PE2G> !Dial TT7
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[08:11] <PE2G> !dial TT7
[08:11] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03$$TT7 10(0308): none
[08:12] <x-f> PE2G, launch announcement said 434.593 MHz
[08:12] <x-f> also it mentioned 7 GMT..
[08:12] <PE2G> Tnx x-f
[08:13] <PE2G> Hopefully they'll launch , i think I may have chance of rx
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[08:15] <MaXimaN> Good morning all
[08:16] <fsphil> morn!
[08:19] <MaXimaN> In Project Loon related news... http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/09/google-testing-drones-that-could-provide-internet-access-to-remote-lands/
[08:23] <PE2G> TT7 is up
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[08:36] <gonzo_> loon drones... And transmitting is the wifi band. Spectacularly well planned
[08:36] <gonzo_> (and overlapped by the amateur satellite servioce, where people point pretty high power signals.... upwards?!)
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[09:08] <tweetBot> @adamcudworth: Habhub v4.0 has been submitted for review. Includes new predictor view #UKHAS
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[09:15] <x-f> TT7 has a low ascent rate, it was ~5.5 m/s soon after launch
[09:19] <PE2G> x-f: Hopefully it'll reach >30 km
[09:22] <x-f> hopefully it won't start floating
[09:46] <PE2G> !dial TT7
[09:47] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03$$TT7 10(0308): 03437.499 MHz, 434.5 MHz
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[09:51] <x-f> PE2G, Tom SP9UOB reports it is on 434.650 MHz actually
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[09:54] <PE2G> x-f: Tnx for that :)
[09:55] <x-f> np
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[10:17] <PE2G> TT7 passed 30 km but not within range yet...
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[10:31] <x-f> 34 km and comming down
[10:32] <PE2G> Haven't seen traces on the waterfall
[10:34] <x-f> slow descent
[10:39] <x-f> -13 m/s at 23 km
[10:39] <x-f> slowly up, slowly down
[10:42] <PE2G> Yeah, very nice
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[10:55] <x-f> -5 m/s at 15 km
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[11:12] <DL7AD> !dial STS-13
[11:12] <DL7AD> does someone assist me?
[11:12] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: Latest dials for 03STS-13 10(3d60): 03434.499 MHz
[11:12] <DL7AD> ah cool
[11:12] <DL7AD> !flight STS-13
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[11:12] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: Flight 10(3d60): 03STS-13 PICO 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Yesterday at 11:00 from 03Brunovce, Slovakia 10(48.6758,17.85589)
[11:13] <x-f> DL7AD, on the mailing list Radim wrote its current freq is 437.693 MHz
[11:14] <DL7AD> how comes?
[11:14] <x-f> he knows better, he launched it :)
[11:15] <x-f> probably dl-fldigi reports to the habitat a wrong frequency because it's not paired with the radio
[11:15] <DL7AD> okay then its probably the genpayload-startfromexisting-copy-past error
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[11:16] <x-f> -3.6 m/s at 10 km, i suspect TT7 is using a bed sheet as a parachute
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[11:19] <DL7AD> !hysplit STS-13
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: HYSPLIT for 03STS-13 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/140916-10_128767_STS13.gif
[11:20] <x-f> DL7AD, you're getting ready to launch D-6?
[11:20] <DL7AD> x-f: yeah.... its already ready
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[11:21] <x-f> cool
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[11:22] <steve_2e0vet> not really HAB related, but wondered (uk based) RPi experts with the UKHAS community
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[11:23] <malgar> hello!
[11:24] <malgar> I got an email from Steudte about STS-13
[11:24] <malgar> I try to understand if I have a clear view in that direction
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[11:27] <malgar> is it a floater?
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[11:27] <malgar> DL7AD: ?
[11:27] <malgar> DL7AD: ping
[11:27] <DL7AD> yes it is
[11:28] <DL7AD> a one day floater
[11:28] <malgar> I could be ready to receive it not earlier than 30 min
[11:28] <malgar> could be ok?
[11:28] <DL7AD> it will be solar heated
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[11:29] <malgar> anyway.. I have mountains in that direction
[11:30] <malgar> I'm not so sure that I could receive it
[11:30] <DL7AD> okay
[11:30] <DL7AD> hopefully there will be a lot of other receivers in this region
[11:31] <DL7AD> but i guess there will
[11:31] <malgar> I see the hysplit turning east
[11:31] <DL7AD> and we will probably chase it.
[11:31] <amell> awesome. doom on a canon printer http://www.contextis.co.uk/resources/blog/hacking-canon-pixma-printers-doomed-encryption/
[11:31] <DL7AD> okay i have to go
[11:31] <DL7AD> cu
[11:32] <malgar> ciao
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[11:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHASE-VK5ZM - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=CHASE-VK5ZM
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[12:20] <x-f> 135 minutes from launch to burst, 105 minutes from burst to landing
[12:25] <fsphil> it was in no rush
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[13:35] <amell> tomorrow looks like a good day for uk habbing. no flights?
[13:38] <mattbrejza> do one yourself ;)
[13:38] <amell> would if i had a tracker
[13:39] <amell> cant spend money at the moment as not working. hopefully soon.
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[17:16] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[18:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03B-66 after 0319 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=B-66
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[18:15] <Joekul> STS-13 turned his back to me just before appearing on my Zurich-Horizon... :(
[18:15] <lz1dev> holycrap
[18:15] <lz1dev> b-66
[18:15] <x-f> go, B-66!
[18:15] <lz1dev> !whereis b-66
[18:15] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03B-66 is over 03North Atlantic Ocean 10(54.7817,-14.1045) at 0313360 meters
[18:15] <lz1dev> lol
[18:15] <x-f> just out of fsphil's range
[18:16] <Joekul> For once a balloon came nearby... Thanks to the launcher anyway!
[18:16] <lz1dev> ping LeoBodnar
[18:17] <LeoBodnar> sup?
[18:17] <lz1dev> b-66 is back dude
[18:17] <LeoBodnar> oh
[18:17] <LeoBodnar> lol cool :D
[18:17] <lz1dev> where did it go
[18:18] <LeoBodnar> rumours of its death were premature
[18:18] <mattbrejza> eagerly awaiting log
[18:18] <lz1dev> it must have slipped through aprs coverage
[18:18] <LeoBodnar> where has it Bn?
[18:18] <lz1dev> :D
[18:18] <LeoBodnar> it did it a few times
[18:18] <lz1dev> must have done a one circle
[18:18] <mattbrejza> well it managed to avoid aprs when it finished lap 2, so perhaps it turns off at night now
[18:18] <lz1dev> somewhere near the pole
[18:19] <mattbrejza> fsphil: get your antenna up ^ !
[18:19] <lz1dev> !hysplit run b-66
[18:19] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Your job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
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[18:45] <fsphil> x-f: yep, nothing received here yet
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[19:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> found a italian web sdr thar pics up sts-13 parcialy , its in Rovigo
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[19:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> $$$$$STS-13,221,19:05:0946.56602,13.$7116,6448,9,0,1.33*914w
[19:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> $4$$ STS-13,2222,3905:"3,46.2542,13.471,440,X,1n33*-#b9
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[19:07] <Det_> B-66 :)
[19:08] <Ian___> It seems that in light of the B64, B66 experience that two things would be nice. Lots more back log and a slightly different line style on each revolution.
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[19:09] <Det_> yes
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[19:14] <fsphil> still no signal here
[19:14] <fsphil> nothing on aprs either
[19:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ian__, Here you go for B-64 http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/B64_20140911.kmz
[19:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its not something that is easily automated but takes about 5 minutes manually to do!
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[19:25] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: HAB UPDATE: B-66 has back after 16 days! Still flying awaiting backlog to download track http://t.co/yRKWayXIl0 #ukhas #hamr #hab #amsat
[19:27] <lz1dev> 19 days*
[19:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Could be 16 was in my brain when I last looked!
[19:29] <craag_philcrump> Has B-66 done a u-turn?
[19:30] <craag_philcrump> ah no
[19:30] <craag_philcrump> mobile tracker is confusing
[19:31] <lz1dev> shortest path
[19:31] <craag_philcrump> Yeah I know
[19:31] <lz1dev> its been gone for too long
[19:31] <craag_philcrump> Just looks a lot like a genuine path ;)
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[19:32] <lz1dev> not really, since it always been going W to E
[19:32] <lz1dev> it was predicted to be over canada 10 days ago
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[19:32] <lz1dev> maybe it went to the pole or something
[19:33] <craag_philcrump> yep - I'm a bit tired, and this is a B-* - anything is possible!
[19:33] <lz1dev> someone might want to run a backward hysplit
[19:33] <lz1dev> see where it has been
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[19:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Most redent was this from 5th Sep http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/140905-10_174118_B66.gif
[19:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> *recent
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[19:44] <Ian___> Many thanks Geoff-G8DHE the different couloured tracks makes it a lot clearer to ascertain where B-64 actually went on it's various orbits.
[19:46] <SA6BSS-Mike> $$$$$STS-13,259,19:42:41,46.47229,13522,63749,0l!3%*8F?
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[19:48] <fsphil> I've a feeling my antenna or the connect to it is damaged
[19:49] <fsphil> not getting the normal noise levels on 70cm
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[19:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ian__, If I get a chance tonight or tomorrow I'll do B-66 as well but don't have the "predictions" to fill several holes, but will see what can do.
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[20:24] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ustream.tv/search?q=nasa
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[20:24] <SpeedEvil> SpaceX and Boeing both win contracts for commercial crew delivery to the station
[20:25] <myself> thaaat was the big announcement
[20:25] <myself> neat
[20:27] <Lunar_LanderA> yea
[20:28] <Laurenceb_> no way
[20:28] <Laurenceb_> B-66 back
[20:29] <Laurenceb_> insane
[20:29] <Laurenceb_> it must have had some "issues"
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> lolz.
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> Spacex gets 2.6B, Boein gets 4.6
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[20:35] <Laurenceb__> fsphil: any signal?
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[20:39] <Laurenceb__> over 9 weeks
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[20:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> B-66 colour coded by loop http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-66_20140719/B-66.kml
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> hah
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[21:01] <fsphil> Laurenceb__: not a peep
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[21:05] <fsphil> it should be in range now
[21:05] <fsphil> may have fallen silent again
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> Does the sequence number say anything abou tpossible resets since last time?
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[21:12] <nickle_> One interesting idea for the hysplit software is to run it backwards. Work out where it has likely to have been. Interesting in that you have two known points, the last fix and the next fix with the gap in between. Two boundary conditions
[21:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03STS-13 after 037 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=STS-13
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[21:26] <Laurenceb__> nickle_: probably over the US
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[22:12] <ruzze> hi!
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[22:15] <amell> fsphil: can you get B-66?
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[22:17] <amell> how on earth did B-66 get from russia to off the coast of ireland without being detected.
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> It's plausible it's not transmitting all the time
[22:20] <SpeedEvil> Also - just going north - missing all of inhabited canada would work, then coming south
[22:20] <amell> yeah. fsphil should be able to hear it right now if its transmitting.
[22:20] <SpeedEvil> If you look at the downward track of b64 it nearly did the same thing
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> just a few hundred miles eas.
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> (possibly)
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> (assuming for the moment that b66 is fine, and was just out of range
[22:22] <amell> im losing track. i think this is coming up to 3rd circumnav for B-66 and 4th for B-64
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> But - yeah.
[22:23] <amell> what surprised me is that b-66 would come alive during darkness - if there were issues id have expected it to awaken during sunlight.
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> If fsphil isn't getting it - that's pretty strong evidence that it died
[22:23] <amell> or fsphil is away from the computer...
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> IIRC B65 did the same thing - and died randomly and appeared over morocco?
[22:24] <kf7fer> amell: Alive during darkness? The undead HAB flight?
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[22:25] <amell> if itsdepending on juice from solar cells, it will be directly north of NI at 8am tomorrow. Are there any habbers/hams in orkney or north scotland.
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> Oh!
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> I hadn't reallised b66 was back too
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> amell: I'm there
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> here
[22:25] Action: amell claps
[22:26] <amell> do keep up speedevil ;)
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> I'm in range of most of the hysplits over tomorrow
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> but - have no radio
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[22:26] <amell> well, that really helps
[22:26] <amell> hopefully you will be voting No.
[22:27] <LeoBodnar> B-66 is a ghost ballship
[22:27] <amell> 63 days afloat now. its like the marie celeste.
[22:28] <amell> all at sea, but nobodys home
[22:28] <LeoBodnar> all pipes are in the sink
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[22:29] <SpeedEvil> amell: I would be voting yes if our elected politicians this side of the border weren't even worse in many ways
[22:30] <amell> speedevil: the whole thing is getting quite nasty and silly. I will be glad when its over.
[22:33] <DL7AD> evening
[22:33] <DL7AD> *actually already morning
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[22:34] <fsphil> amell: nah I keep scanning, it's not tx'ing
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[22:35] <amell> fsphil: yagi?
[22:35] <fsphil> colin
[22:35] <fsphil> +ear
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[22:35] <ruzze> hi guys! i'm developing a video broadcasting system using RFM22 radio module based on H264 protocol. are you interested for your HAB projects?
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[22:35] <amell> h264 over rfm22? awesome& :)
[22:36] <amell> what resolution is that? 10x10?
[22:36] <ruzze> 320x240 with 10 fps
[22:36] <ruzze> using 4kbit per second of bandwith
[22:37] <mattbrejza> what sort of distance?
[22:38] <ruzze> i'm using FSK modulation...during the last test, i have reached one kilometer
[22:39] <amell> hab is 30-40km high assuming your underneath the balloon.
[22:39] <LeoBodnar> colin and ear?
[22:39] <fsphil> colin's ear is picking up nothing
[22:39] <amell> Leo: i think he calls his attenna colin, i was afraid to ask further.
[22:40] <mattbrejza> mines called jeff and head
[22:40] <mikestir> ruzze: how are you doing the video processing part?
[22:43] <ruzze> ok amell...i have wrote a software that implements PLL (used for FSK demodulation)...now i can demodulated a 4000 baudrate FSK signal
[22:43] <amell> its a bit of a leap from ssdv to video.
[22:44] <ruzze> with dl-fldigi, i can't reached this result...
[22:44] <fsphil> that I can believe
[22:44] <mikestir> fsphil: have you flown your nbtv thing yet?
[22:44] <fsphil> not yet
[22:45] <fsphil> not been in a position to launch much recently
[22:45] <mattbrejza> 1km will still be neat for quadcopter like things, shame we cant use ham stuff to up the power for hab use here
[22:46] <mikestir> doesn't stop the quadcopter guys
[22:46] <mikestir> they seem quite happy to run several watts on 2.4 GHz as far as I can tell
[22:47] <Laurenceb__> this sounds very interesting
[22:48] <Laurenceb__> as LORA can do that kid of bit rate
[22:49] <mattbrejza> yea you might be better switching from rfm22 to rfm98
[22:49] <fsphil> bandwidth might be a bit much for ISM
[22:50] <mikestir> but still - how is the video processing done? Is it just a pi?
[22:50] <fsphil> though that does depend on where you launch
[22:50] <mattbrejza> yea quadcopter people take ir2030+co as a guideline rather than rules
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[22:51] <fsphil> mikestir: dvb packet size fits into lora packets nicely
[22:51] <mikestir> mpeg-ts or lower layers than that?
[22:52] <fsphil> TS
[22:52] <fsphil> 188 bytes per packet
[22:52] <Laurenceb__> i didnt realise LORA was so big
[22:52] <mattbrejza> big?
[22:53] <Laurenceb__> >188byte payload
[22:53] <fsphil> it'll do up to 256 bytes
[22:53] <Laurenceb__> interesting
[22:53] <Laurenceb__> tho thats going to limit the performance
[22:54] <ruzze> mikestir, for the video processing part, i encode a video source with ffmpeg util using H264 (indicating the maximum bandwidth). After, i read bit by bit the h264 video for FSK modulation step
[22:54] <mattbrejza> 2000 bits is a reasonable packet size
[22:54] <mattbrejza> lte is only 6144 max
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[22:55] <mattbrejza> (athlough DVB-S2 is like 32kbits)
[22:56] <ruzze> mattbrejza, thank you for your advice
[22:57] <mattbrejza> np
[22:57] <ruzze> now i read the datasheet of rfm98
[22:58] <ruzze> i'm using raspberry pi for my test
[22:59] <fsphil> the pi is really handy for video
[22:59] <mattbrejza> not sure how many dB the lora modulation will get you over the usual fsk at high speed though
[22:59] <amell> it is rf98w. there is no m.
[22:59] <ruzze> ok amell!
[22:59] <mattbrejza> one reason (i think) it works well for low datarate stuff is due to the spreading the crystals dont need to be exact, which for fsk is usually overcome with massive filters that let in lots of noise
[23:00] <fsphil> my rfm98w modules disagree with you amell :)
[23:00] <mikestir> amell: no, rf98w is hoperf's made up name for the semtech chip on it. the modules are rfmXX
[23:00] <amell> fsphil: mine is labelled rf98w. no m.
[23:00] <mattbrejza> cool story bro
[23:00] <mikestir> the chip will be lasered with that, just like the rfm22b chip is marked rf22 and not si4432
[23:00] <fsphil> huh, odd
[23:01] <fsphil> probably just space saving on the pcb
[23:01] <amell> even the datasheet says rf98w
[23:01] <amell> oh. no it doesnt.
[23:02] <amell> ok its RTFM98W :)
[23:02] <ruzze> can i use 'unmodulated carrier' mode on rf98w or rfm98w? :)
[23:02] <fsphil> hehe
[23:02] <LeoBodnar> yes ruzze
[23:03] <mattbrejza> the reason i said rfm98 is its lora packet mode is probably superior to the fsk packet mode on the rfm22
[23:03] <ruzze> good
[23:03] <fsphil> you're not using the rfm22b packet are you?
[23:03] <LeoBodnar> you can FSK modulate PLL
[23:04] <amell> hmm, multiple RFM98W in parallel on diff frequencies? increase your bit rate by using the entire ISM band.
[23:04] <nats`> amell it's a sad idea :p
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[23:04] <ruzze> i'm using unmodulated carrier mode...no rfm22b packet over FSK or GFSK
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[23:05] <fsphil> aah
[23:05] <amell> nats` aww i thought it was a good idea
[23:05] <mikestir> amell: I seem to remember we had that discussion and decided it's not legal, because you're essentially just using more power
[23:05] <nats`> no call that respect :p
[23:05] <amell> but its just multiple stations same power level
[23:05] <nats`> find a better modulation or an other solution :p
[23:05] <nats`> nop
[23:06] <mikestir> amell: yes. multiple 10mW transmitters right next to each other
[23:06] <nats`> it's one station occupying all the band at max power
[23:06] <amell> on different frequencies..
[23:06] <nats`> yep but you're occupying a larger band than authorised
[23:06] <mattbrejza> oh, if youre using unmodulated carrier mode the rfm98 wont help over the rfm22
[23:06] <amell> would you say the same if it was one on 868 and one on 434?
[23:06] <MaXimaN> Woo-hoo - B-66 off the west coast of Ireland.
[23:06] <nats`> amell a station is not a transceiver chip, in the spirit of the law it's a logic element
[23:07] <nats`> amell yep it's a device handling AFA
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[23:07] <nats`> with these rules applying
[23:07] <amell> you guys are a bundle of fun
[23:07] <nats`> if I could I would do it :p
[23:07] <fsphil> calling it quits on B-66 tonight
[23:07] <nats`> it would simplify my work....
[23:08] <fsphil> it seems to have died at sunset
[23:08] <Laurenceb__> hmm
[23:08] <MaXimaN> Curious path there. Would love to understand why that return path is a curve: http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=B-66
[23:08] <fsphil> perhaps the battery is totally gone
[23:08] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: was the B-66 battery charging to 4.5v ?
[23:08] <ruzze> where i can find some details on Lora protocol?
[23:08] <amell> fsphil: hopefully you will be up at the crack of dawn to listen for her.
[23:08] <fsphil> you'd think that :)
[23:08] <mfa298> amell: 868 is a pita to use for constant data (lower power allowance and higher freespace loss than 434)
[23:08] <fsphil> me and mornings don't get on well
[23:08] <mattbrejza> ruzze: its a frequency spread spectrum thing, but no published details
[23:09] <amell> fsphil: but but its B66!
[23:09] <Laurenceb__> its top sectret
[23:09] <mattbrejza> (specifically fast frequency hopping i think)
[23:09] <Laurenceb__> LORA is megabugs IP
[23:09] <Laurenceb__> /sarc
[23:09] <amell> chirp spread spectrum. CSS>
[23:09] <LeoBodnar> 4.3v Laurenceb__
[23:10] <amell> maybe B-66 will vote No as it passes over scotland?
[23:11] <MaXimaN> Hmmmm
[23:11] <Laurenceb__> which one was charging to 4.5v?
[23:11] <Laurenceb__> hopefully
[23:11] <MaXimaN> I wonder why the lower than expected voltage during the day?
[23:11] <MaXimaN> Ahhh, of course
[23:11] <MaXimaN> Temperature
[23:12] <MaXimaN> Leo: Doesn't permit charging until over 0C, right?
[23:12] <amell> i expect b-66 will shut down at some point, and we will hear from it again next spring&
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[23:15] <MaXimaN> LeoBodnar: Do you rely on the PCM on the battery (if there is one) for charge management, or is it "if si406x internal temp >=0, charge"?
[23:15] <amell> looks to me like B-66 battery only made it to 3.9V at at the end of the day
[23:15] <amell> and dropped to 3.65V in the space of an hour.
[23:15] <MaXimaN> First time I've seen late charging in the telemetry data, but I'm sure it's happened before it took much longer to warm up after sun-up
[23:16] <MaXimaN> +if
[23:16] <MaXimaN> amell: That rate is about the same as it was back in late August
[23:17] Action: amell has this feeling that these Bs will keep popping up occasionally for months.
[23:17] <LeoBodnar> B-63 [00:11] <Laurenceb__> which one was charging to 4.5v?
[23:18] <Laurenceb__> hmm
[23:18] <Laurenceb__> x-f.lv time
[23:18] <Laurenceb__> ah
[23:18] <Laurenceb__> yeah B-66 battery does not look right
[23:18] <Laurenceb__> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/B-66#g/battery,solar_panel,temperature_internal
[23:18] <LeoBodnar> MaXimaN: if (1) charge;
[23:19] <Laurenceb__> 3.94v, 9C, 0.6v solar
[23:19] <Laurenceb__> at 4 this afternoon
[23:19] <Laurenceb__> that doesnt look right
[23:19] <MaXimaN> LeoBodnar: Regardless of temp? I guess if the charge current is pretty low it's not going to hurt to charge it at a bit below zero
[23:20] <amell> youd expect it to be higher than that at 4.
[23:20] <Laurenceb__> i wonder if the battery has gone
[23:20] <Laurenceb__> yeah
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[23:20] <LeoBodnar> solar panels might be ebaying off
[23:20] <MaXimaN> Heh, "ebaying off"
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[23:20] <amell> they probably came from ebay in the first place
[23:20] Action: MaXimaN tries not to be offended
[23:20] <Laurenceb__> id suspect the lipo over the panels
[23:21] <Laurenceb__> maybe the lower temperature cycling at higher voltage has killed it
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> Diddn't 63 dosomething similar?
[23:21] <Laurenceb__> hmm
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> It came back at quite low voltage during the day
[23:21] <MaXimaN> If there is no delay in charging, then yeah the LiPo could be on the way out
[23:21] <Laurenceb__> yeah maybe 63 just died due to charging to 4.5v
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[23:21] <SpeedEvil> But 63 then carried on for many more days
[23:21] <LeoBodnar> if LiPo loses capacity it will sit at 4.3V all the time while solar power is available
[23:22] <amell> solar panels are still generating juice&
[23:22] <LeoBodnar> and then drop straight off
[23:22] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: sure it might not behave like a short?
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> This was the first?) time round, and it carried on for a couple of weeks afterwards working fine at night
[23:22] <MaXimaN> amell: solar voltage is the same, but if one panel is kaput it might be taking longer to charge
[23:22] <LeoBodnar> then temperature would be 20-30C
[23:22] <Laurenceb__> or a high resistance short
[23:22] <qyx_> shouldn't
[23:22] <Laurenceb__> hmm
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[23:22] <amell> are the panels connected in parallel or serial?
[23:23] <qyx_> although i don't know if self discharging rate relates to old age
[23:23] <qyx_> but internal resistance and capacity yes
[23:23] <LeoBodnar> parallel
[23:23] <LeoBodnar> which is suboptimal
[23:24] <qyx_> maybe one is broken?
[23:24] <MaXimaN> Suboptimal but good for redundancy though?
[23:24] <LeoBodnar> could be
[23:24] <LeoBodnar> need a few full days for analysis
[23:24] <amell> or a bird crapped on it?
[23:24] <MaXimaN> Solar flare damage
[23:25] <LeoBodnar> radiation event
[23:25] <amell> mind, a bird at 43k feet would be impressive
[23:25] <MaXimaN> Meteorite strike
[23:25] <LeoBodnar> space dust
[23:25] <MaXimaN> Collided with B-63
[23:25] <gonzo_> aliens?
[23:25] <amell> need a cutdown mode for Bs so condition can be investigated.
[23:26] <LeoBodnar> or service airship
[23:26] <amell> ha
[23:26] <LeoBodnar> ballship
[23:26] <MaXimaN> I read in the Daily Mail that the lower lipo voltage is due to immigrants
[23:26] <amell> thats quite likely.
[23:26] <MaXimaN> And Princess Diana
[23:27] <MaXimaN> I think one of the Project Loon balloons should go take a look
[23:27] <MaXimaN> In theory, they could
[23:27] <amell> on board diagnostics needed.
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[23:28] <amell> A and B computer, with ability to uplink new software.
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[23:30] <ruzze> bye bye guys! thanks for your advice. See you soon!
[23:32] <MaXimaN> Although a collision with B-63 is my favourite theory, I'm going to go with reduced charge due to increased lipo internal resistance
[23:32] <MaXimaN> But I accept it may be space dust
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[23:33] <amell> i dont understand why Boeing got most of the contract. its nuts.
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[23:34] <qyx_> for loon?
[23:39] <amell> for ISS human transport
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[23:50] <SpeedEvil> They diiddn't
[23:51] <SpeedEvil> they got exactl y the same requirements to do stuff as spacex
[23:51] <SpeedEvil> it's just they bid higher
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