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[00:08] <SpeedEvil> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/3d-pocketcopter-the-flying-camera
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[00:16] <jarod> cool :)
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[00:19] <SpeedEvil> I do like the contrarotating props
[00:19] <SpeedEvil> I'm uncear if it can weight-shift to steer or if it just goes down-up
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[05:28] Nick change: ABeLina -> ABLomas
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[05:53] <hehuj> Iam looking for contacts/Friends in France and Netherlands and Russia. Pleace take contact with me. :)
[05:53] Nick change: hehuj -> Copyright
[05:53] <Copyright> so
[05:53] <Copyright> :)
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[06:17] <mrShrimp> Anyone mind helping me sort out some parsing issues with TinyGPS?
[06:18] <mrShrimp> I would very much appreciate it.
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[06:58] <x-f> good morning
[06:59] <x-f> mrShrimp, what issues are you having there?
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[07:07] <mrShrimp> Morning x-f. Here's a pic that summarizes my issues: http://i57.tinypic.com/2ynmp08.png
[07:09] <x-f> hmm, so your tracker was working fine, but then started sending just carrier?
[07:09] <mrShrimp> I was decoding RTTY from my payload earlier, and you can see the data on the dl-fldigi waterfall before the mush
[07:10] <x-f> it has nothing to do with the TinyGPS then
[07:10] <mrShrimp> The screenshot just shows the carrier b/c I was trying different code when I took it.
[07:11] <x-f> ok, what's wrong with the data?
[07:11] <mrShrimp> The issue is that the parsed code (e.g. $$SPS,28,06:05:38,47.684399,-122.296940,1000000,0.6,255*C2BD) says "255" for the number of satellites and "1000000" for the altitude.
[07:12] <mrShrimp> always
[07:12] <x-f> have you seen the NMEA strings? do they report correct altitude and sats values?
[07:13] <x-f> is this the regular or UBX version of TinyGPS?
[07:13] <mrShrimp> regular
[07:14] Nick change: cm13g09_ -> cm13g09
[07:14] <mrShrimp> I haven't checked the NMEA strings yet, so I should probably do that.
[07:15] <x-f> both values come from GGA sentence, make sure you haven't turned it off
[07:19] <mrShrimp> I haven't turned off any sentences. This is the code I was using: http://pastebin.com/CCHF4k16
[07:20] <mrShrimp> I just used the set-flight-mode code.
[07:20] <mrShrimp> *command
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[07:30] <x-f> mrShrimp, perhaps try moving send_data() (#44) lower - after the while cycle
[07:31] <x-f> i still don't think you're getting the GGA sentence, because 255 for sats is the default value, it means it has never been updated, same with the altitude
[07:32] <mrShrimp> II'll try that. I'm testing the setup for NMEA sentences now.
[07:33] <mrShrimp> using the Software Serial Configuration Example on this page http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ublox6
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[07:35] <x-f> you can just power-cycle your GPS, if you're not sure of its current settings
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[07:46] <mrShrimp> for some reason it isn't working now -_-
[07:48] <mrShrimp> no ACK response
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[07:51] <x-f> if in doubt, reboot
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[07:53] <mrShrimp_> No luck so far, and I need to go to bed now.
[07:54] <mrShrimp_> I don't know why it added a space after my name :P
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[07:55] <mrShrimp_> Thanks x-f for your suggestions. I'll come back later if I don't find a fix.
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[08:56] <Rebounder> lz1dev: thanks for the explanation
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[09:12] <cm13g09> Sigh... I thought, after the fiasco ~ 5 weeks ago, I might've got it right this time... but no. I've just ordered cables with the wrong polarity connectors on them.... SIGH!
[09:12] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[09:13] <cm13g09> SpeedEvil: yeah - well done to a R/C model industry for standardising Mini-Tamiya one way around....
[09:13] <cm13g09> and the airsoft industry for standardising it the other
[09:14] <cm13g09> (that is, for R/C, Pin 1 is +ve, Pin 2 is -ve, and for airsoft Pin 1 is -ve......)
[09:14] <myself> At least powerpoles are pretty standard now.
[09:14] <cm13g09> I'm just glad for reverse polarity protection.....
[09:15] <cm13g09> myself: yes, that's true
[09:15] <SpeedEvil> Just remember - do not cross the streams.
[09:15] <SpeedEvil> Especially important in urinas
[09:15] <SpeedEvil> urinals.
[09:16] <cm13g09> well that killed conversation...
[09:16] <gonzo_> I just use my own std, so no chance of cross pol with antyone esle's system
[09:17] <cm13g09> gonzo_: yeah - I need to use something *moderately* standard....
[09:17] <gonzo_> I use 3pin XLRs
[09:17] <gonzo_> (as I don't use them for anything else)
[09:17] <cm13g09> gonzo_: That is connector abuse!
[09:17] <gonzo_> they are my 12/24v std connector
[09:18] <myself> a lot of scooters use XLRs for 24 or 36 volts charging
[09:18] <myself> they're rugged, cheap, capable of a few amps..
[09:19] <gonzo_> I won a carrier bag full from work, so that sort of selected them for me
[09:19] <gonzo_> good for up to 16A
[09:19] <cm13g09> nice :)
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[09:19] <cm13g09> I still think, if there's a standard
[09:20] <cm13g09> that's well defined
[09:20] <cm13g09> and you choose to ignore it
[09:20] <cm13g09> and flip the polarity
[09:20] <cm13g09> you get what's coming to you?
[09:20] <gonzo_> only prob was, the won ones were all male. So I had to buy the matching parts. That was a bit more expensive. Well more expensive than free!
[09:22] <gonzo_> my previous std (I still use for light weight stuff) is 4pin mini molex. But, they later started to appead for PC mobo power
[09:22] <gonzo_> and sods law, they chose a different pinput!
[09:22] <gonzo_> pinout
[09:22] <cm13g09> gonzo_: hah
[09:22] <gonzo_> But as i was there first, I recon they got it wring!
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[09:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5NVX - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SP5NVX
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[09:32] <mikestir> my favourite is the way DC barrel plugs started off with the centre hole being -ve, but universally changed to having it as +ve at some point in the 90s
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[09:35] <jcoxon> yeah the ft790 is the old style
[09:35] <jcoxon> don't want to make that mistake
[09:37] <craag_philcrump> my dad fitted an inline diode to both his ft_90 rigs
[09:39] <cm13g09> mikestir, craag_philcrump: Universal stupidity, flipping plugs....
[09:39] <craag_philcrump> Heh this'll be the airsoft rant again :P
[09:40] <cm13g09> craag_philcrump: you're right :P
[09:40] <mikestir> I think with the DC barrel plugs the centre -ve is actually the right way, because they have a break-on-insert contact on the outer that would be used to disconnect an internal battery
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[09:44] <cm13g09> craag_philcrump: I just got bitten by the flipped connections again
[09:47] <mikestir> look on the bright side - at least DIN connectors have pretty much gone away
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[09:49] <cm13g09> mikestir: true....
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[09:53] <gonzo_> but there is no reason to have to break the batt +ve, apart from by convention
[09:53] <gonzo_> even with a built in batt charger, that could still be done on the -ve side
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[10:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DA1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=DA1
[10:42] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
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[10:45] <PH3V> T-15 mins : http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ballonvossenjacht.nl%2F
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[11:00] <PH3V> http://www.pi6atv.com/
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[11:03] <tweetBot> @DutchMillbt: HighAltitudeBalloon(foxhunt) in the air, Netherlands,carrying a repeater inp. 432.550Mhz outp.145.475Mhz FM #hamr #hamradio #ukhas
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[11:10] <tweetBot> @thecraag: A writeup by @jamescoxon on the Balloon Flight of a UKHASnet Mesh Network Node yesterday http://t.co/zrRceEhLa1 #ukhas #hamr #hamradio
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[11:15] <DutchMillbt> G'middag PE2G
[11:15] <PE2G> Goeiemiddag DutchMillbt
[11:16] <DutchMillbt> Volg je ook de ballonvosjacht......wat een pileup ;-)
[11:17] <PE2G> Yes, I'm following it from home
[11:18] <DutchMillbt> me2
[11:18] <PE2G> My setup isn't really suited for 2 meter
[11:19] <DutchMillbt> Ding gaat richting Den Bosch / Heesch.... niet verklappen he ;-)
[11:19] <PH3V> Herpen :-)
[11:20] <DutchMillbt> we see...
[11:20] <PE2G> flight control said that it would go to the southwest
[11:20] <PE2G> The usual mis-information
[11:20] <PH3V> Wrong
[11:20] <PH3V> Indeed
[11:22] <PE2G> The big question is what kind of tracker mission control is using
[11:22] <DutchMillbt> ...last few years CUSF's prediction not more than 15 km off
[11:22] <PE2G> And on what freq?
[11:22] <PH3V> 145.475 > Kggggrrrppfffff...Oscar ...kkkgggg..... One ......ggggg
[11:22] <PH3V> Beacon at 145.450
[11:23] <craag_philcrump> What altitude is it at?
[11:23] <PH3V> It's a foxhunt so we don't no. No GPS on board
[11:24] <PE2G> Unknown yet (to us, simple folowers)
[11:24] <PH3V> http://www.pi6atv.com/
[11:24] <craag_philcrump> ah ok
[11:24] <PE2G> Launch was at 11:03 UTC
[11:24] <PH3V> All info @ : http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ballonvossenjacht.nl%2F
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[11:25] <PE2G> It may be at ~6300 m by now
[11:26] <craag_philcrump> Yeah sounds about right from that video
[11:26] <craag_philcrump> lots of cloud!
[11:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G Hi, that tx seems to have the best signal?
[11:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> that=what
[11:28] <PH3V> The beacon
[11:28] <PH3V> 145.450
[11:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thanks, should hear it when it gets above ~17km
[11:29] <PH3V> Peaking S9 on a vertical,
[11:29] <PE2G> Voice relay output on 145.475
[11:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i got a qso over it some years back
[11:30] <PE2G> Nice OZ1SKY_Brian
[11:30] <PE2G> Distance OZ1SKY_Brian ?
[11:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> There used to be a report page on ballonvossenjacht, but i can´t seem to find it
[11:31] <MaXimaN> JFS2 still launching today?
[11:32] <MaXimaN> !dial jfs2
[11:32] <SpacenearUS> 03MaXimaN: Latest dials for 03JFS2 10(9819): none
[11:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G i can´t recall, but i have 575km to Utrecht
[11:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LORA1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=LORA1
[11:33] <MaXimaN> Ahh here we go :)
[11:34] <PE2G> Thtat's a nice dx for voice OZ1SKY_Brian
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[11:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> What!, have the B´s made 3 round trips now?
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[11:37] <MaXimaN> OZ1SKY_Brian: Yep
[11:37] <MaXimaN> Although B-63 appears to have been kidnapped by aliens
[11:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wow thats insane
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> B64 by now has exceeded two circumferences of earth.
[11:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looks like the dutch was a 3km alt at 1320cet
[11:39] <craag_philcrump> Got 2 alternating tones on 145.450, is that the beacon?
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> Also - wow - B64 is headed back for populated areas quite fast
[11:39] <craag_philcrump> *balloon beacon?
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> ooking to hit Ontario on Wednesday or friday
[11:40] <amell> is LORA1 up yet? what frequency?
[11:40] <MaXimaN> Should be 434.65
[11:40] <amell> i have a lora receiver up and running. not gatewayed to internet though.
[11:40] <mfa298> amell: Lora, jfs2 and a ukhasnet node are all on the same balloon.
[11:41] <amell> is the frequency the same as the last lora flight?
[11:41] <mfa298> although into ish time now (launch was supposed to be 1230
[11:41] <craag_philcrump> PH3V: Alternating AFSK tones on 145.450 - is that the beacon?
[11:42] <PH3V> @craag : Yes!
[11:42] <craag_philcrump> Thanks :) Good signal on SUWS websdr!
[11:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JFS2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=JFS2
[11:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Please report hight on the dutch ballon, when a new hight is knowen
[11:43] <PH3V> Great! Repeater output on 145.475 .. bit weaker
[11:43] <PH3V> OK, we will
[11:44] <Maxell_> in 145.475 MHz also important :D
[11:44] <Maxell_> uh 432.550 MHz
[11:45] <PH3V> You mean the input on 70cm?
[11:45] <Maxell_> yep
[11:46] <Maxell_> OZ1SKY_Brian: about 10 minutes ago 7 kilometers
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[11:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Maxell_ tnx
[11:47] <amell> i need to know lora parameters, didnt see this in daves email to the list.
[11:47] <amell> i have 4/8 error coding and 20.8k bandwidth
[11:47] <daveake> See previous email about the first lora1 flight
[11:47] <daveake> all in there
[11:47] <amell> ok, so all the same.
[11:47] <amell> ta
[11:47] <daveake> yes all the same
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[11:53] <PE2G> OZ1SKY_Brian: ~12500 m om 11:52 UTC
[11:53] <Maxell> OZ1SKY_Brian: going mostly south now
[11:53] <PE2G> *at 11:52
[11:54] <amell> 434.450 for Lora1.
[11:55] <Maxell> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU4QcBd13I8 ATV from Delft
[11:55] <daveake> Stream up now http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=5&id=1194
[11:55] <Maxell> Live balloon stream http://www.pi6atv.com/live.html
[11:56] <amell> Balloon fox hunting ? is that even legal, using balloons instead of horses and dogs.
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> amell: http://xkcd.com/585/ - related
[11:57] <amell> Impressed by the video from balloon, is it 5.8Ghz?
[11:58] <craag_philcrump> 2.4ghz
[11:58] <amell> i feel dizzy
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[11:58] <PA3WEG> Hello all
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> hey
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[11:59] <Brian-G0HDI> Hello
[11:59] <Maxell> amell: that video link?
[11:59] <Maxell> afaik it's ATV
[11:59] <amell> the youtube link.
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> What's the altitude
[12:00] <PA3WEG> http://youtu.be/aU4QcBd13I8
[12:01] <PA3WEG> thats my YouTube stream, if thats what people are looking for?
[12:01] <Maxell> SpeedEvil: 13.55 local time, >12 km
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> ah
[12:01] <craag_philcrump> Maxell: Yeah, ATV on 2.4Ghz
[12:01] <PA3WEG> 2330MHz to be exact
[12:02] <Maxell> craag_philcrump: Sonde ATV video 2330 MHz 1 watt
[12:02] <Maxell> Crew chase team still going south and still have visual
[12:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G Maxell tnx info
[12:03] <PE2G> 15 km at 12:02 UTC
[12:05] <amell> nice pair of big white bollocks on tv
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[12:08] <tweetBot> @M0DTS: Currently listening to Balloon repeater 145.477 FM (432.550 uplink) from Holland, ATV from balloon on 2330MHz improving... #ukhas #hamradio
[12:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dutch ballon starting now
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[12:13] <PE2G> OZ1SKY_Brian: That would mean 17.5 km alt?
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[12:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G about 17km or so
[12:14] <PE2G> Tnx
[12:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> depending on tropo etc
[12:14] <PE2G> Ok
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[12:15] <G8JNJ> !flights
[12:15] <SpacenearUS> 03G8JNJ: Current flights: 03Project Horus + LaunchBox Pico Flight 10(8d50), 03XABEN81 10(3312), 03JFS2 10(9819), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b), 03SP HAM's tech workshop launch  10(4de8)
[12:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> whats it location now?
[12:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BUZZ - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=BUZZ
[12:15] <Maxell> OZ1SKY_Brian: "unknown", still going south
[12:15] <daveake> Just added BUZZ on 434.250, 7 N 2 460Hz
[12:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Ok if we do a LOS calculation for utricht to here, it would need to be at 17000km to be at LOS.
[12:17] <MaXimaN> So well on its way to the moon then
[12:18] Action: MaXimaN spots a rogue K
[12:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol 17000m sri
[12:18] <MaXimaN> :D
[12:18] <Maxell> heheh OZ1SKY_Brian
[12:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> It seems there is no reporting page on ballonvossenjacht any more
[12:22] <Maxell> OZ1SKY_Brian: above "betuwe" altitude 20 km
[12:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> tnx
[12:22] <Maxell> just in :P
[12:22] <Maxell> max altitude about 30 km
[12:23] <jcoxon> balloon filling for JFS2 launch
[12:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ugh noise floor was great an hour ago -130dB now look http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/JFS2_20140914/ISM-interference.png :-(
[12:24] <MaXimaN> :(
[12:24] <MaXimaN> I have a constant tone in the middle of 434.65
[12:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> whats the callsign of the ballon?
[12:24] <amell> what is it? your noise is another mans signal
[12:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> the dutch
[12:24] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE: looks like intermodulation
[12:24] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE: strong trunking signals @ 420 might interfere
[12:24] <Maxell> Try turning down the gain
[12:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup, only just come back in and greeted with that previously there wasn't anything visible
[12:26] <Maxell> Brits on the balloon transponder now
[12:27] <Maxell> OZ1SKY_Brian: try from up ther!
[12:27] <amell> anyone else got lora receivers?
[12:27] <fsphil> I've one setup
[12:27] <amell> fsphil: what do you have in regs 6 7 and 8?
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[12:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> dropping it another 20dB makes it possible to use http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/JFS2_20140914/-20db-ISM-interference.png
[12:30] <fsphil> not sure amell, this is daveake's code: https://github.com/daveake/LoraPiGateway
[12:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Maxell still abit too weak to try voice
[12:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> seems to be getting weaker now, hope its not a burst
[12:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gone now :-(
[12:34] <daveake> ok about to launch
[12:34] <amell> fsphil: your frequency is 434.446 according to github
[12:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes a burst by the look of there website
[12:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> De ballon is geklapt en...
[12:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> that didnt go very high then
[12:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial LORA1
[12:36] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:37] <Brian-G0HDI> Thik I saw .450 earlier mentioned
[12:39] <Upu> windy
[12:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> "De sonde komt, zooals gebruikelijk, als een kogel naar beneden en heeft nu een hoogte van 200 kilometer...." , erh 200kilometer?
[12:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes .450 was what it was on last time, don't have a chance to hear BUZZ on .250 with the QRM
[12:40] <daveake> up
[12:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> daveake good luck
[12:41] <daveake> aerials on the bottom 2 probably compromised by the launch
[12:41] <daveake> had to get rid before it touch the ground
[12:42] <PE0SAT> FM transponder on Balloon 145.475 down 432.550 up
[12:43] <PE0SAT> Netherlands
[12:43] <mikestir> no flight doc for buzz?
[12:44] <amell> email says 434.450. code in git hub says 434.446
[12:44] <jcoxon> which were the bottom 2 payloads :-S
[12:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Dutch team report burst alt of 28km
[12:46] <Maxell> burst?
[12:46] <Maxell> hmm
[12:46] <amell> all hooked up and listening for lora on .446
[12:46] <Maxell> OZ1SKY_Brian: no, it's quite heavy
[12:46] <Maxell> They targed 30 km
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[12:48] <Herman-PB0AHX> :!dail LORA1
[12:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> mm wat is frequentie of lora1 ???
[12:49] <Brian-G0HDI> I'm listening on .450
[12:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> tnx brian
[12:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> :1
[12:50] <Herman-PB0AHX> :!
[12:51] <Brian-G0HDI> Got something on 434.6516
[12:52] <Brian-G0HDI> JFS2 green
[12:52] <MaXimaN> Nothing down here in Croydon yet
[12:52] <Upu> !dial buzz
[12:52] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:53] <MaXimaN> 434.25 for BUZZ
[12:53] <Upu> ta
[12:54] <Herman-PB0AHX> !dial lora1
[12:54] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:54] <Herman-PB0AHX> !dial LORA1
[12:54] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:54] <Maxell> !payload LORA1
[12:54] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:54] <Maxell> hmm
[12:54] <Maxell> !flights
[12:54] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Current flights: 03Project Horus + LaunchBox Pico Flight 10(8d50), 03XABEN81 10(3312), 03JFS2 10(9819), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b), 03SP HAM's tech workshop launch  10(4de8)
[12:54] <Maxell> Not flying today!
[12:54] <amell> is lora1 on .446 or .450?
[12:55] <MaXimaN> BUZZ isn't showing up in dl-fldigi either
[12:55] <Herman-PB0AHX> hai Maxell lora1 now on 3km
[12:55] <amell> feels strange listening to habs without any SDR&
[12:55] <mikestir> buzz is 50,7n2, 470 shift MaXimaN
[12:56] <daveake> lora1 is .450
[12:56] Action: amell executes a quick recompile and upload&
[12:56] <MaXimaN> Thanks amell
[12:56] <daveake> buzz was a last minute addition as they had issues with their tracker
[12:56] <daveake> It's worth watching with an sdr
[12:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh those two Lanacasters have just flown over at low level!
[12:57] <amell> cant connect lora receiver and sdr at the same time here.
[12:57] <MaXimaN> Just starting to hear JFS2
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[12:58] <amell> i make 434.500 cd
[12:58] <MaXimaN> Thanks mikestir, rather :)
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[12:58] <amell> or rather 6c, 9c, cd.
[12:59] <mikestir_M0MKS> buzz has suddenly gone very weak here
[12:59] <MaXimaN> JFS2 on the waterfall now
[13:00] <MaXimaN> 750 gap
[13:00] <Upu> spaces in telemetry :/
[13:00] Action: amell is waiting for data
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[13:01] <daveake> Upu: That Buzz is ye old round plug 'n' pava
[13:01] <daveake> Old Faithfull
[13:01] <Upu> that thing has probably done more launches than any other tracker
[13:02] <Maxell> !payload 9819
[13:02] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03JFS2 10(9819) 03$$JFS2 - 03Second tracker made (JFS2) - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/720Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[13:03] <MaXimaN> I can hear BUZZ but definitely weaker than JFS2
[13:03] <Uggy> Hi, I planned to order an NTX2B on Upu shop, and the web page say to come on irc for advise on options before ordering... so I'm here :)
[13:03] <Upu> hi Uggy
[13:04] <Uggy> Any special recomendation before ordering ?
[13:04] <Upu> see PM
[13:04] <amell> wear a tin foil hat?
[13:04] <Upu> won't be shipped until next Monday I'm on hols atm
[13:05] <Uggy> Upu: ok Thx ... no problem for the delay
[13:06] <Uggy> thx for the notice
[13:06] <amell> anyone else receiving lora packets? still waiting here.
[13:07] <Maxell> !payload BUZZ
[13:07] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[13:07] <Maxell> !payload BUZZ1
[13:07] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[13:07] <Maxell> hm
[13:07] <daveake> The flight doc is for JFS2 *only*
[13:07] <Maxell> BUZZ on 434.250, 7 N 2 460Hz
[13:07] <Maxell> ok
[13:07] <daveake> Buzz was added last minute due to issues wit JFS2
[13:07] <Maxell> ok
[13:07] <Maxell> JFS2 not TXing?
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[13:08] <Upu> its TXing
[13:08] <Upu> not sure why spaces in telemetry
[13:08] <daveake> yup
[13:08] <Maxell> Ok, should I focus on BUZZ instead? :)
[13:08] <Maxell> OZ1SKY_Brian: balloon updates
[13:08] <daveake> whichever
[13:08] <Maxell> alt 3 km
[13:09] <Maxell> daveake: ok .250 QRM on remote RX, going for JFS2 :)
[13:09] <MaXimaN> Can't hear BUZZ here now
[13:09] <Maxell> Almost on the ground! http://www.pi6atv.com/live.html
[13:10] <Maxell> Beacon and repeater S0
[13:10] <Maxell> just audiable
[13:10] <Brian-G0HDI> BUZZ green on .252 50/470 7n2
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[13:12] <Maxell> 700 meter
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[13:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah can see LoRa quite happily on the w/f
[13:14] <amell> got a dial for it?
[13:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.435.3 for me
[13:14] <amell> big diff
[13:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> very wide of course 20KHz
[13:14] <amell> is that the centre?
[13:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> No lower edge
[13:15] <amell> approx centre?
[13:15] <Maxell> Balloon on the ground!
[13:16] <Herman-PB0AHX> $$BuzL6611:z5811&0:\V)2.'669sPupJK
[13:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/JFS2_20140914/LoRa_on_B_VFO.png
[13:18] <amell> rf98w connected to x-50 here, nothing yet, think i need to put lna in?
[13:18] <Maxell> Crew chase team @ balloon
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[13:19] Nick change: fitzherbert -> sam_w
[13:19] <Upu> loar does look very strong
[13:19] <Upu> lora
[13:19] <amell> upu: are you receiving full packets?
[13:19] Action: Upu fires up the pi
[13:19] <fsphil> what's the lora freq?
[13:20] <fsphil> I think I still have it on the same as last time
[13:20] <amell> mid point seems slightly under .450
[13:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Losee the image above
[13:20] <amell> .446/.447
[13:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.435.3 lower edge
[13:21] <amell> im assuming that the receiver config is for the midpoint.
[13:21] <Upu> whats it set to in software
[13:21] <fsphil> I've got mine set to 434.453 atm
[13:22] <amell> dave said 434.450
[13:22] <fsphil> getting bad-crc's
[13:22] <fsphil> could be receiving something
[13:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Interesting the SDR-Console program seems to be decoding better the dl-fldigi
[13:22] <daveake> fsphil they can be out relative to each other by 2kHz maybe 3
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[13:23] <Upu> fast or slow ?
[13:23] <daveake> worth a try dropping down in 2kHz steps
[13:23] <daveake> slow
[13:23] <fsphil> yay decode
[13:23] <daveake> They work within 2 maybe 3kHz of the correct figure
[13:23] <daveake> Ah excellent :)
[13:23] <Upu> what do I type to load spi ?
[13:23] <fsphil> $$LORA1,395,13:22:53,52.05251,-2.81085,11854,50,336,11*8332
[13:23] <amell> really fsphil? .453?
[13:23] <fsphil> yea
[13:23] <daveake> gpio load spi
[13:23] Action: amell retunes
[13:24] <fsphil> 11.8km, the shorter coax helped that's for sure
[13:24] <fsphil> the filter might have too
[13:24] <daveake> amell these things aren't calibrated
[13:25] <daveake> so you can be out by 2 maybe 3kHz just by using a different module
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[13:25] <daveake> fsphil Do you have one of the rtty payloads yet?
[13:25] <amell> daveake: yes, but i have no reference point, so just trying diff values.
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[13:25] <daveake> amell sure
[13:25] <Upu> oh got a decode too
[13:25] <fsphil> daveake: haven't setup to do that
[13:25] <daveake> best thing is to knock up some tx code then tune with a calibrated sdr
[13:25] <MaXimaN> Yay, first green on JFS2
[13:25] <Upu> getting telemetry now daveake
[13:25] <Upu> OKMessage status = 52h
[13:25] <Upu> 80 bytes in packet
[13:25] <Upu> RSSI = -86
[13:25] <daveake> excellent great work chaps
[13:26] <amell> happy for you guys.
[13:26] <amell> meanwhile im waiting for data
[13:26] <fsphil> rssi is -98 here
[13:26] <fsphil> lots of crc fails
[13:26] <fsphil> but I expect that
[13:26] <Upu> constant -86
[13:27] <fsphil> habamp?
[13:27] <Upu> nope
[13:27] <fsphil> nice
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[13:27] <amell> not got round to soldering the tx here yet, so havnt tested.
[13:28] <daveake> woohoo hanhheld lora receiver works
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[13:28] <daveake> take that 49$sat lol
[13:28] <daveake> -87dBm
[13:28] <amell> what register values on handheld?
[13:28] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/30u9gAM.jpg
[13:28] <Upu> btw if I take that splitter out
[13:29] <Upu> and plug anything directly into the yagi
[13:29] <Upu> it all goes crap
[13:29] <Upu> can't rx anything
[13:29] <Upu> answers on a postcard ps
[13:30] <Herman-PB0AHX> !dail BUZZ
[13:30] <fsphil> overload?
[13:30] <daveake> amell same
[13:30] <daveake> it's on github (daveake)
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[13:30] <whiteg6> !flights
[13:30] <SpacenearUS> 03whiteg6: Current flights: 03Project Horus + LaunchBox Pico Flight 10(8d50), 03XABEN81 10(3312), 03JFS2 10(9819), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b), 03SP HAM's tech workshop launch  10(4de8)
[13:31] <Upu> 3 in the air now whiteg6
[13:31] <Upu> over UK
[13:31] <fsphil> all good telemetry now
[13:31] <fsphil> the -98 doesn't seem to change much
[13:31] <Upu> that Lora works well
[13:32] <amell> lucky Upu
[13:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> BUZZ is 50bd 7n1 or 7n2 ??
[13:32] <daveake> 2
[13:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> 7n2 tnx
[13:33] <amell> will leave running, got to go out. will report if anything arrives later
[13:33] <daveake> fsphil I noticed that
[13:34] <whiteg6> cheers!
[13:34] <Brian-G0HDI> Losing Buzz and JFS2 over 14.000 m
[13:35] <Maxell> BUZZ on 434.250, 7 N 2 460Hz
[13:36] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: for fldigi if i rmemeber correctly the stop bits is not trivial
[13:37] <MaXimaN> JFS2 getting weaker for me
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[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> strange both improving for me BUZZ is now overiding the QRM as well
[13:38] <tweetBot> @daveake: Tracking a balloon up at 13.Skm altitude, from the ground using a handheld LoRa-based receiver #UKHAS http://t.co/mK2Vrgwggv
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[13:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: ok tnx
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[13:40] <Brian-G0HDI> Are you horizontal Geoff?
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> circular
[13:41] <Brian-G0HDI> Oh!
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> saves having to worry!
[13:41] <MaXimaN> JFS2 going down into the noise now :/
[13:41] <Brian-G0HDI> I hate worrying lol
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> crossed aerials
[13:41] <Brian-G0HDI> Got Buzz back green then
[13:41] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE: have you tried turning down the gain
[13:42] <Maxell> looks like intermodualtion here
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> sorry on what image ?
[13:42] <Maxell> yep
[13:42] <Maxell> The screenshot of your QRM
[13:42] <PD5TON> pse grg & mode
[13:42] <Maxell> looks like truning intermodulation
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[13:42] <Brian-G0HDI> Funny I just put 10 db gain on funcube
[13:42] <Maxell> PD5TON: BUZZ on 434.250, 7 N 2 460Hz
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> look at the one with -20dB on that's what I'm using
[13:43] <Maxell> PD5TON: 434.65 MHz USB RTTY 50/720Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[13:43] <Brian-G0HDI> IF I mean
[13:43] <PD5TON> tnx Maxell
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> http://www.towerbridge.org.uk/TBE/EN/VenueHire/Engine+Rooms.htm
[13:44] <PE1ANS> Dank TON PD5TON: 434.65 MHz USB RTTY 50/720Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> This is current http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/JFS2_20140914/Capture1343.JPG
[13:44] <fsphil> no new lora telemetry in a few minutes
[13:44] <fsphil> oh spoke too soon
[13:45] <MaXimaN> I thikn I have actually made my setup worse than before
[13:46] <Maxell> ah Geoff-G8DHE
[13:46] <Maxell> looks better now
[13:46] <daveake> yeah was swapping aerials on my lora gateway
[13:46] <fsphil> oh lots of telemetry now
[13:47] <tweetBot> @g8nwc: Tracking JFS2 HAB #UKHAS
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[13:48] <PE1ANS> Hoi Jan
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[13:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Maxell, when I left it was -130dB floor and whenI returned it was-115dB floor, its faded out a lot as well now!
[13:48] <Brian-G0HDI> JFS2 strong now. Not worrying any more hi
[13:49] <pd3jag> pe1ans hoi jantjeeeeee.
[13:49] <PD5TON> de jantjes
[13:49] <PE1ANS> Hoor hier nog niets ,, hoe is het daar
[13:50] <pd3jag> ja idd freq van de jf52?
[13:50] <PE1ANS> 434.65 MHz USB RTTY 50/720Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[13:50] <pd3jag> 43425073 hoor ik iets.
[13:51] <PA0RPA> I read A RTTY signal on 434.250 Mhz !
[13:51] <daveake> My LoRa handheld is flat on the bench, with a 1/4 wave only, and still decoding
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[13:53] <PA0RPA> 434.251.50 Mhz receive a RTTY signal S0
[13:53] <PD5TON> das de kerk in tholen
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anybody else using SDR-Console ?
[13:53] <PA0RPA> Griffo ??
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[13:55] <Herman-PB0AHX> yesssssssss green from jfs2
[13:55] <Brian-G0HDI> HDSDR. Have you checked out sdrDX Geoff?
[13:55] <pd3jag> sme one info off freq and mode of jf52??
[13:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Jfish - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Jfish
[13:55] <Herman-PB0AHX> jfs2 is 434.653 bij me
[13:56] <pd3jag> ok dankje herman hier ook prima sig was het op 434250 ander sign tnx
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[13:57] <Herman-PB0AHX> op 250 zit BUZZ
[13:57] <pd3jag> ok tnx
[13:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G Do you know what the PA7ØAIRBORNE callsign is about?
[13:58] <pd3jag> ik heb jf nu ook groene balk
[13:58] <Herman-PB0AHX> pd3jag: mooi
[14:00] <Maxell> PD5TON: kanaal #habnl
[14:00] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: kanaal #habnl
[14:01] <Maxell> pd3jag: kanaal #habnl :P
[14:01] <fsphil> rssi now at -97
[14:03] <daveake> It's swinging around a lot at the mo
[14:04] <DL7AD_> !flights
[14:04] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD_: Current flights: 03Project Horus + LaunchBox Pico Flight 10(8d50), 03XABEN81 10(3312), 03JFS2 10(9819), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b), 03SP HAM's tech workshop launch  10(4de8)
[14:04] <DL7AD_> !hysplit 3Z0TECH
[14:04] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD_: HYSPLIT for 033Z0TECH - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/140914-10_167170_3Z0TECH.gif
[14:04] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
[14:07] <tweetBot> @daveake: Great to see @AnthonyStirk and @fsphil helping out with the LoRa tracking today #UKHAS http://t.co/4KEiPISR4r
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[14:14] <JFS1> At hope under dinmore web rubish might head for wellington
[14:15] <JFS1> Greg said he dosent have car app on phone
[14:21] <fsphil> still getting good telemetry
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[14:29] <Brian-G0HDI> Looks like a pop
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[14:30] <Brian-G0HDI> Nope! false alarm
[14:31] <daveake> There's a £100 fine for that you know :p
[14:31] <daveake> Expecting 38km btw
[14:31] <Brian-G0HDI> 5p a week?
[14:32] <Brian-G0HDI> The chute did open briefly on Spacenear.us honest
[14:32] <daveake> ah lol JFS2 signed int
[14:32] <tweetBot> @daveake: Comfortably above 30km and still decoding well #UKHAS http://t.co/XwUExkfukB
[14:33] <daveake> I firgive you; I blame Greg :)
[14:33] <Brian-G0HDI> Ta!
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[14:42] <chrisg7ogx> pppp PPPP op??
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[14:48] <MaXimaN> YES
[14:48] <MaXimaN> Fixed my setup :)
[14:48] <MaXimaN> Greens all the way now
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[14:53] <Herman-PB0AHX> JFS2 is down bij me
[14:54] <Brian-G0HDI> Looks like I'm out of the frame with JFS2. Been good one though..
[14:54] <Herman-PB0AHX> JFS2 team mni tnx for all the working stuff
[14:56] <Brian-G0HDI> PS I've gone green again . Spoke too soon again. *Blush*
[14:57] <MaXimaN> Too quiet for me to decode now
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[14:58] <chrisg7ogx> just partials for me now
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[14:59] <chrisg7ogx> did anyone else hear the tones at seperation?
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[15:02] <Brian-G0HDI> I heard a sort of hiccup sound at one point, didn't note the height though. Sounded like it tripped over and reset itself sort of thing
[15:03] <Brian-G0HDI> No expert so didn't mention it at the time, sorry
[15:04] <chrisg7ogx> lost audio
[15:04] <chrisg7ogx> that was it Brian
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[15:05] <Brian-G0HDI> Oh ok, live and learn
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[15:08] <MaXimaN> Has anyone who uses a FCDP+ seen anything like this before? http://imgur.com/WOkZWCf
[15:08] <MaXimaN> I have two bands at the extremes of the waterfall down in the 2M range
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[15:08] <MaXimaN> Seems to be since I added the USB extension and switched to aircell 7
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[15:11] <Brian-G0HDI> My lines are at random, not evenly spaced like that
[15:11] <MaXimaN> The ones in the middle are transmissions
[15:11] <Scott85> afternoon
[15:11] <MaXimaN> Just the increased noise at the edges that I am seeing down that end
[15:13] <Scott85> just wanted to confirm, if using a NTX2B with Arduino: digitalWrite won't work, you have to use analogWrite with a high and low tone depending on the bit right?
[15:14] <daveake> No you can sue digitalwrite
[15:14] <daveake> use
[15:14] <daveake> You just need 3 resistors
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[15:18] <fsphil> no lora data here on the way down
[15:18] <Upu> think it turned off
[15:18] <fsphil> ah
[15:19] <daveake> Maybe got hit by the main payload
[15:19] <daveake> It's a bit of a coincidence for the signal to disappear at burst
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[15:19] <daveake> Batteries in a holder this time
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[15:26] <daveake> Just called the chase team
[15:26] <daveake> 52.11191,-2.68524
[15:26] <daveake> In a field near a road
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[15:30] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[15:34] <amell> back. fraid i didnt get any LoRa packets at all. Will finish the TX and test it.
[15:35] <fsphil> it seems it failed at burst
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[15:35] <G8KNN> 52.11191,-2.68524
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[15:35] <G8KNN> ooops
[15:36] <fsphil> I got packets from 11.8km up, can't remember what it was last time
[15:36] <Scott85> daveake, are you meaning 3 resistors in series to the TXD pin? The datasheet seems to say that I just need a 68K ohm resistor going to TXD?
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[15:37] <keydash> Hi there
[15:37] <amell> i only finished this last night late. not had a chance to test. will check antenna wiring isnt shorted.
[15:37] <daveake> see that
[15:37] <amell> come to think of it, i dont actually have any code to verify the rf98 is working.
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[15:38] <fsphil> 21km last time. so adding the filter and the shorter cable helped a lot
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[15:38] <fsphil> assuming nothing changed on he payload
[15:38] <fsphil> the
[15:38] Nick change: [1]chrisstubbs -> chrisstubbs
[15:38] Possible future nick collision: chrisstubbs
[15:38] <keydash> i made a java program to use a offline map on my laptopt, it reads the teleemtry data by reading the textout file of dl-fldigi... but there's something weird
[15:38] <keydash> the textout.txt file, have some kind of lag
[15:38] <daveake> Same tracker just replaced the ball
[15:38] <keydash> and the program gives actually not the real time data
[15:39] <daveake> Didn't change anything other than batteries
[15:39] <keydash> so if there is a ny another way to read data from dl-fldigi
[15:39] <fsphil> 11.6km is pretty much my limits for a launch from rossy
[15:39] <keydash> more accurate, that would be great
[15:39] <fsphil> so it worked right down to the horizon basically
[15:39] <amell> it would have been too much to ask for my tracker to work first time i suppose.
[15:40] <daveake> keydash you can connect to a port that dl-fldigi makes available
[15:40] <daveake> Then you get the telemetry stream character by character
[15:40] <keydash> using sockets maybe?
[15:40] <daveake> yes
[15:40] <keydash> that's nice
[15:40] <keydash> do you know the number of the port?
[15:41] <daveake> 1 sec
[15:41] <keydash> ok thx
[15:41] <fsphil> port 7322
[15:41] <daveake> damn too slow
[15:41] <keydash> thax
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[15:42] <keydash> let's gonna change the input of the program
[15:43] <daveake> Payloads recovered
[15:43] <daveake> Crater filled
[15:44] <amell> uh oh
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[15:47] <amell> RegOpMode read gives 128- bit 7 is LoRa. looks like thats all ok.
[15:49] g0hww_betty (~g0hww@46-18-105-34.static.vivaciti.org) got lost in the net-split.
[15:49] GeekShad1w (~antoine@nzf.turmel.info) got lost in the net-split.
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[15:52] <Copyright> Iam looking for contacts/Friends in France and Netherlands and Russia. Pleace take contact with me. plz pm :)
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[16:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
[16:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> who can run aprs importer script ?
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[16:02] <lz1dev> SP9UOB-Tom: give me callsign
[16:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> lz1dev: sp9uob-11 to 3Z0TECH
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[16:06] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> hello Lunar Lander
[16:12] <PE0SAT> Good evening all
[16:12] <PE0SAT> Any info on LORA1 available?
[16:12] <daveake> amell 128 back shows that SPI is working. What you don't know is if the DIO0 pin is connected correctly, or what the RF side is like
[16:13] <daveake> PE0SAT Waiting for the payloads to come back here so I can take a look
[16:14] <daveake> Suspect something broke (physically) at burst
[16:14] <daveake> But no idea as yet
[16:14] <PE0SAT> daveake: Thanks
[16:15] <lz1dev> SP9UOB-Tom: its done
[16:15] <SP9UOB-Tom> lz1dev: thanks :-)
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[16:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RTS_Chase_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=RTS_Chase_chase
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[16:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPIC2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC2
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[16:52] <Copyright> Germany anyone?
[16:52] <f4agq> !flights
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[16:55] <Lunar_Lander> hello germany
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[17:00] <Copyright> Lunar_Lander: You from germany?
[17:00] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[17:01] <Copyright> alright. got time over?
[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> for what?
[17:02] <Copyright> chatt
[17:02] <Copyright> business :)
[17:03] <Lunar_Lander> no thanks
[17:03] <Copyright> ok
[17:05] <Lunar_Lander> don't know who you are and what you want
[17:08] <Copyright> ofc you dont know that. :) Iam doing Network Marketing and I am doing great. some new countrys is soon introduced also.
[17:08] <daveake> That's great now find a suitable channel please.
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[17:09] <Copyright> I dont know a suitable channel. thats why I ask here and then continue in PM
[17:09] <chrisstubbs> How high up is your network marketing?
[17:09] <daveake> in the cloud
[17:10] <Copyright> haha not in cloud :p
[17:10] <Copyright> It is on land :)
[17:11] <mfa298> I suspect the only channels that might be suitable are ones directly linked to your marketing (and even then it may not be welcome)
[17:11] <qyx_> i am not sure that freenode is a network for you
[17:11] <mfa298> this sounds very much like the annoying phone calls from unknown numbers that generally happen at meal times.
[17:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake: far above the clouds ;-)
[17:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLu3-jFpoi4
[17:12] <MaXimaN> Copyright: I'd be happy to discuss your business with you on the phone. DO you mind if I record the call?
[17:12] <Copyright> MaXimaN: I dont have a problem with that. only problem is the phone cost to call from Finland to your country.
[17:13] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
[17:14] Action: mfa298 suspects MaXimaN's number is an 09 number with 10 minute recorded message before you get to talk to him.
[17:14] <MaXimaN> mfa298: Oh, so you've called me before. :)
[17:14] <mfa298> cm13g09: pong
[17:14] <Copyright> hehe.
[17:15] <Copyright> PM and skype is best. :)
[17:16] <cm13g09> mfa298: -> PM
[17:18] <daveake> JFS2 report - batteries fell out on impact (that's the right word); chute partially tied up with 1.1kg of latex; GoPro Hero 2 stopped recording after 40 mins; all saved by Buzz (ye old plug 'n' pava from Upu) which was still working; landing site was a field; JFS2 ended up impaled on straw
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[17:22] <f4agq> !flights
[17:22] <lz1dev> f4agq: you are adding something infront if it
[17:23] <lz1dev> hence why it doesnt work :)
[17:24] <f4agq> ok thanks
[17:24] <lz1dev> !flights
[17:24] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Current flights: 03XABEN81 10(3312), 03EDUPIC1 Flightmode Test 10(31c8), 03JFS2 10(9819), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b), 03SP HAM's tech workshop launch  10(4de8)
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[17:30] <amell> found my lora problem& antenna short! sorted.
[17:31] <amell> daveake: now we need another test lora flight! would have sorted during flight but regrettably, family called.
[17:32] <amell> it was just a quick scrape with knife between the antenna pins on the module
[17:34] <amell> i have a tx set up but its waiting on a couple of parts. ebay sigh.
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[17:43] <fsphil> hehe, who's doing the ssdv test?
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[18:00] <edusupport> EDUPIC2 is up 434 .650
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[18:04] <Maxell> edusupport: nice
[18:04] <Maxell> !payload EDUPIC2
[18:04] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03EDUPIC2 10(31c8) 03$$EDUPIC2 - 03RTTY Only - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/430Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[18:07] <fsphil> good luck guys
[18:07] <daveake> amell We do. Feel free to do one.
[18:07] <fsphil> make it RX too :)
[18:08] <amell> not without a backup.
[18:08] <amell> only got one gps module
[18:08] <daveake> Easily fixed via Upu's shop
[18:08] <amell> maybe piggyback off mr randall, we will see.
[18:08] <amell> daveake: at cost, yes
[18:08] <fsphil> I lost a gps module about 2 years ago. never did find it
[18:08] <daveake> Well, there you go, shit costs
[18:09] <fsphil> still got a couple of fsa03's to get rid of
[18:09] <daveake> wow
[18:09] <fsphil> yea
[18:09] <daveake> The original Buzz had one
[18:09] <fsphil> two I think
[18:09] <daveake> The FSA died
[18:09] <fsphil> hah
[18:09] <daveake> Never replaced it
[18:10] <fsphil> edusupport: is this a float?
[18:10] <daveake> It went short circuit across the power lines
[18:10] <fsphil> never had one fail that way
[18:10] <fsphil> usually it's the antenna breaking
[18:10] <daveake> yup
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[18:11] <edusupport> Hope so but signal is very weak
[18:11] <edusupport> odd
[18:18] Action: amell wonders if we really do have a balloon launching from china
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[18:20] <amell> launching from KFC in Xian allegedly.
[18:21] <fsphil> well we recently had a spacecraft being controlled from an old McDonalds
[18:21] <fsphil> so anything's possible
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[18:28] <Maxell> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=EDUPIC2
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[18:41] <Maxell> Might not come in range for me :(
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[18:48] <junderwood> !dial EDUPIC2
[18:48] <SpacenearUS> 03junderwood: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC2 10(31c8): 03434.499 MHz, 144.7 MHz
[18:52] <edusupport> 434.500
[18:52] <edusupport> sorry 434 .650
[18:53] <edusupport> but the signal is weak
[18:54] <Maxell> uh
[18:54] <Maxell> !payload EDUPIC2
[18:54] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03EDUPIC2 10(31c8) 03$$EDUPIC2 - 03RTTY Only - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/430Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[18:55] <Maxell> EDUPIC2 dial is 434.65 MHz USB
[18:55] <Maxell> !dial EDUPIC2
[18:55] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC2 10(31c8): 03434.499 MHz, 144.7 MHz
[18:55] <Maxell> hmm
[18:55] <Maxell> EDUPIC2 is 434.65
[18:55] <Maxell> !dial EDUPIC2
[18:55] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC2 10(31c8): 03434.499 MHz, 144.7 MHz
[18:55] <Maxell> how does !dial work?
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[18:58] <amell> edusupport: cant see a darn thing on the waterfall here.
[18:58] <junderwood> ditto here (both frequencies)
[18:59] <junderwood> I think dial uses the frequency reported by listeners
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[18:59] <junderwood> which is garbage unless you're controlling the rig from fldigi
[18:59] <junderwood> bug fantastic if you are
[18:59] <junderwood> s/bug/but/
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[19:04] <MaXimaN> I have a continuous tone right at 434.65
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[19:04] <Maxell> junderwood: yeah but I do not think that is correct
[19:05] <mikestir> I think I can see it coming up in the w/f. really weak
[19:05] <Maxell> 20:00:40 < edusupport> EDUPIC2 is up 434 .650
[19:05] <yo3fvr> !dial edupic2
[19:05] <SpacenearUS> 03yo3fvr: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC2 10(31c8): 03434.499 MHz
[19:05] <Maxell> amell: 20:00:40 < edusupport> EDUPIC2 is up 434 .650
[19:05] <Maxell> junderwood: 20:00:40 < edusupport> EDUPIC2 is up 434 .650
[19:05] <Maxell> yo3fvr: 20:00:40 < edusupport> EDUPIC2 is up 434 .650
[19:05] <yo3fvr> tnx !
[19:05] <MaXimaN> Maxell: 20:00:40 < edusupport> EDUPIC2 is up 434 .650
[19:05] <amell> scary
[19:05] <MaXimaN> ;)
[19:05] <Maxell> MaXimaN: 20:00:40 < edusupport> EDUPIC2 is up 434 .650
[19:05] <Maxell> amell: 20:00:40 < edusupport> EDUPIC2 is up 434 .650
[19:05] <Maxell> lol
[19:06] <mikestir> why so weak edusupport?
[19:06] Action: amell puts a sock in Maxell
[19:06] <Maxell> free hilight for eveyo-20:00:40 < edusupport> EDUPIC2 is up 434 .650
[19:06] <nigelp> $$$$EDUPIC2,245,19:04:50,5233.36377,-00217.35484,12,3559.9,0,3.25,1.45*8CD2 No GPS Lock, Temp 3.25, Battery Volts 1.45
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[19:08] <Maxell> junderwood: great idea, except not eveyone is using the rig for that... Should filter out the default/stop reporting if rig-controlling is disabled
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[19:11] <MaXimaN> Yeah, no - http://imgur.com/CnF7JGS
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[19:12] <Maxell> MaXimaN: you could increase FFT points
[19:12] <Maxell> If your PC allows that
[19:13] <MaXimaN> Done
[19:13] <MaXimaN> But a nice tone sat at that freq
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[19:24] <Maxell> beeeeeep
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[19:35] <MaXimaN> I think EDUPIC2 would have to reach around 10K for me to stand of receiving
[19:35] <pd3jag> freq svp edupic2 and mode.
[19:36] <mikestir> 434.650 50,8n2 380 shift
[19:36] <mikestir> it's incredibly weak though
[19:36] <MaXimaN> Antenna problem?
[19:37] <mikestir> dunno
[19:37] <Upu> ah so not just me then
[19:37] <mikestir> Upu: I'm only just starting to see some partials
[19:37] <mikestir> and it's not exactly far away
[19:37] <Upu> I can see it
[19:37] <MaXimaN> Or just lower than 10dB?
[19:38] <Upu> quite stable actually
[19:38] <Upu> just crap signal strength
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[19:38] <edusupport> Yes i think it is an antenna or transmitter problem its the same layout as all my other flights
[19:39] <mikestir> I'll stay on it as it looks like it's coming in this general direction
[19:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> https://www.facebook.com/229217813886191/photos/pcb.451908861617084/451908644950439/?type=1&theater
[19:39] <mikestir> unless it levels out before it makes that turn to the north
[19:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> yesterdays 3Z0TECH launch :-)
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[19:40] <edusupport> I did check the antenna several times its a MTX2 transmitter
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[19:40] <jcoxon> SP9UOB-Tom, cool!
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[19:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon :-)
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[19:42] <edusupport> 04I will launch again tomorrow same setup
[19:45] <Upu> its there Jed
[19:45] <mikestir> still needs more fec :)
[19:45] <Upu> but just super weak
[19:46] <mikestir> edusupport: is it 2 stop bits or just 1?
[19:47] <mikestir> because I just dropped down to 1 and it seems to be decoding better
[19:54] <Upu> Had this hovering just out of range all day :
[19:55] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/hOqwOYA.png
[19:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> 2l 200bar hydrogen cylinder, enough for a pico :-) http://olx.pl/oferta/butla-2l-na-wodor-CID628-ID5Cojf.html#3b82082130
[19:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> i had no idea that so small cylinder does exist :-)
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[19:57] <Upu> that cute :)
[19:58] <mikestir> G!GPSLck,ev -15.=, Batzy*V/lts1.!
[19:58] <mikestir> that surely isn't noise
[19:58] <Upu> yup
[19:58] <Upu> been there all day
[19:59] <Upu> no idea what it is
[19:59] <mikestir> what? I meant that almost english string I just decoded - to answer my own question, no it's not because it just did it again and I got a bit more
[19:59] <mikestir> but the big blob on your w/f. 20 kHz wide? LoRa?
[20:00] <Upu> must be very local
[20:00] <edusupport> 2 stop bits
[20:00] <Upu> its getting slightly stronger
[20:01] <mikestir> ok ta. It does seem to decode better set to 1 stop bit, but it's right on the edge so it might just be coincidence
[20:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> mikestir: date ; grep GPSLck /dev/urandom we'll see ;-)
[20:01] <mikestir> haha
[20:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> [verox@matrix ~]$ date ; grep GPSLck /dev/urandom
[20:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> nie, 14 wrz 2014, 21:59:51 CEST
[20:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> just need some time :-)
[20:03] <Upu> btw if anyone want to swap a Funcube Dongle Pro+ for the Funcube Dongle Pro shout me
[20:03] <Upu> yes thats the new one for the old one
[20:04] <mikestir> $EDUPIC2,442,20:02:14,5230.62749,-00235.22953,12,6724.6,0,-17.5,1.39*7702 <- close, but apparently no cigar
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[20:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: i have both :)
[20:04] <Upu> which does better for HAB ?
[20:05] <chrisstubbs> daveake/upu have you got a link to your pre build PITS image?
[20:05] <Upu> doing better than me mikestir
[20:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: in my humble opinion pro+
[20:05] <Herman-PB0AHX> !dail EDUPIC2
[20:05] <chrisstubbs> *built
[20:05] <Upu> do you have a habamp on the Pro ?
[20:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: no
[20:05] <Upu> chrisstubbs www.pi-in-the-sky.com
[20:05] <daveake> chrisstubbs It's on the support page
[20:05] <Upu> http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=support
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[20:05] <Upu> though make your own
[20:05] <Upu> doesn't take long
[20:05] <daveake> Do grab from github after as that's old
[20:06] <daveake> yes diy is good
[20:06] <Upu> Pro with Habamp kills the Pro+
[20:06] <Upu> but you can't really put a habamp on the pro+
[20:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: pro+ has better sensivity and SAW filter than pro
[20:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: why?
[20:07] <chrisstubbs> I might be derping but I cant acutally find the image :P But okay will follow the instructions to build my own
[20:07] <Rebounder> Evening!
[20:07] <pc1pcl> Herman-PB0AHX: 434.650 50,8n2 380 shift
[20:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening Rebounder
[20:07] <Upu> Because I have both running from the same antenna via splitter and the FCD Pro kills the Pro+
[20:07] <Herman-PB0AHX> how can i see info on ! command ?
[20:08] <lz1dev> !wiki irc bot
[20:08] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Wiki page 03spacenearus_irc_bot - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
[20:08] <pc1pcl> I think you just swapped a and i: !dial would probably have worked
[20:08] <mikestir> a green!
[20:09] <Upu> ah
[20:09] <Upu> that just made my antenna point in the right direction :)
[20:10] <mikestir> decodable now then?
[20:10] <Upu> no
[20:11] Action: amell worries about the hab frequencies getting wiped out by various LoRa implementations
[20:12] Action: amell also worries about the number of people on this channel who cant spell dial
[20:12] Action: daveake suggests that amell calculates how many 25kHz channels there are
[20:13] <amell> yes, but these things are apparently going in a lot of electricity/gas meters&
[20:14] <daveake> so?
[20:14] <amell> more interference'
[20:14] <daveake> how often do you think that a leccy meter needs to report its status?
[20:14] <Upu> getting partials now
[20:15] <amell> twice a day possibly, for eco7 switching.
[20:15] <daveake> Well they tend to tx approx once per minute
[20:15] <pc1pcl> Dial/dail is easy enough to mistype if one hand is overtakeing the other, and 'dail' doesn't look too obviously wrong (cf daily)..
[20:16] <mikestir> amell: there is already an existing eco7 comms channel on radio 4 longwave
[20:16] <Upu> I could probably fix these manually
[20:16] <amell> mikestir. yeah, i was just wondering if it was still active.
[20:16] <mikestir> think so
[20:17] <Upu> but as you and G1DYQ are getting it not much point
[20:17] <mikestir> yeah it's in and out here
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[20:18] <mikestir> and it seems to have turned a bit so should be coming closer
[20:18] <Upu> almost looks like it should decode now
[20:18] <Upu> $$$-DUPIC2,493,20:17:01,5231.33594,-00240.59743-12,7471.>,0,-22.5,1.;7*3F3b
[20:18] <Upu> no gps lock...
[20:18] <pc1pcl> And iteranl odrer of lttres in wrods deson't mttaer for haumns, mbyae !dail cluod be mdae an aials for !dial ?
[20:18] <edusupport> Shame its so weak good ascent rate
[20:18] <Upu> wtf bbq ?
[20:18] <Upu> just dropped 400 hz ?
[20:18] <mikestir> I thought that Upu - it looked like it should decode but wasn't. I wonder if the baud is a bit off
[20:19] <mikestir> yeah I heard that - I assumed the rig had retuned
[20:19] <Upu> looked like it powered off
[20:19] <Upu> the radio ?
[20:19] Action: amell apologises for sharing his unwarranted worries with you all.
[20:20] <edusupport> That was an odd shift
[20:20] <Upu> does your code power cycle the radio Jed ?
[20:20] <mikestir> amell: there's a bit of new spectrum been opened up around 870 MHz that is supposedly earmarked for meter reading applications, so hopefully the gas/electric stuff would end up there
[20:21] <amell> mikestir: breathing a sigh of relief.
[20:22] <pd3t> !dial edupic2
[20:22] <SpacenearUS> 03pd3t: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC2 10(31c8): 03434650.5 MHz
[20:22] <kf7fer> So they didn't make it as high as Upu and daveake's flight, but the Fox Valley guys flew their paper airplane to 96k feet (http://foxcap.org/content/nearspaceballoon); supposedly they are jumping thru the hoops to get this listed
[20:24] <mikestir> edusupport: it periodically reports "No GPS Lock" in text - is that a bug? The preceding sentence seems to imply it has 12 sats
[20:24] <edusupport> No it reports no gps lock when the rtc interupt kicks in that is what I am testing
[20:24] <amell> kf7er: interesting method. completely different approach.
[20:24] <Upu> best of luck :) I'm still claiming unofficial record :)
[20:24] <Upu> but Lesters record isn't that high
[20:24] <Upu> what 96k in english
[20:24] <Upu> 96000 feet
[20:24] Action: Upu misses sibawt
[20:24] <pd3t> hmm weird can't hear it
[20:24] <kf7fer> 29260
[20:25] <Upu> oh yeah
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[20:25] <Upu> they should get it
[20:25] <Nickle_> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Radiosonde-Vintage-1960s-Whiteley-Electrical-Radio-Co-ltd-Mark-IIB-/131295793321?ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:US:1120
[20:25] <mikestir> pd3t: it's weak - faulty antenna or tx suspected
[20:25] <Upu> did they get it back ?
[20:25] <Nickle_> Might be of historical interest
[20:25] <kf7fer> yes. Recovered quickly
[20:25] <pd3t> thnks mikestir
[20:25] <Upu> in that case no issues and I suspect neither will Lester
[20:26] <daveake> If it wasn't for stupid rules I'd just drop one from 40k no problem
[20:26] <Upu> we dropped ours outside of UK Airspace to comply
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[20:27] <Upu> however it managed to travel 64 miles across ground and land in the Netherlands :)
[20:27] <peterbjornx> is there any free software GFSK demodulator
[20:27] <mikestir> gnuradio peterbjornx
[20:27] <peterbjornx> fair enough
[20:27] <kf7fer> quite a trip Upu!
[20:27] <kf7fer> these guys did 81 miles in the air/ground
[20:28] <Upu> sounds like theirs actually flew :)
[20:28] <Upu> unlike mine which I suspect did a series of nose dvies
[20:28] <kf7fer> not to mention they've got aircraft which always helps with recovery ;-)
[20:28] <Upu> yes we aren't quite as well funded
[20:28] <peterbjornx> im trying to catch a weather probe for parts to cheaply do destructive testing on prototypes for my HAB
[20:28] <Upu> we have bacon butties
[20:28] <daveake> lol
[20:28] <Upu> professionally made by the lovely Julie
[20:28] <daveake> :)
[20:28] <peterbjornx> it's the transmitter i need :)
[20:28] <kf7fer> mmmm bacon
[20:29] <Upu> oh green
[20:29] <edusupport> GREEN :)
[20:29] <Upu> go me :)
[20:29] <Upu> and another
[20:29] <mikestir> peterbjornx: what are you actually trying to do? a gfsk transmitter, or receiver? does it have to be software?
[20:29] <Upu> must be getting closer
[20:30] <peterbjornx> receiver, it has to be software, as i want to use my rtlsdr dongle
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[20:30] <mikestir> there are various bits around the internet of people having used rtl_fm and some other stuff to decode FSK sigs
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[20:33] <mikestir> peterbjornx: http://eliasoenal.com/2012/05/24/multimonng/ <- maybe you can do something with this? pocsag is fsk
[20:33] <Upu> what are you testing anyway Jed, new tracker ?
[20:33] <mfa298> I think there's a few bit of software that do various bits of gfsk but I'm not sure how generic they are or if any are free
[20:35] <mikestir> peterbjornx: you'll probably need to write your own framer as well, once you have the demod sorted
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[20:35] <cm13g09> somebody complained about an absence of SIbot
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[20:36] <cm13g09> Upu: it's back
[20:36] <cm13g09> albeit temporary
[20:36] <Upu> 16000 feet
[20:36] <SIbot> In real units: 16000 ft = 4877 m
[20:36] <Upu> lovely
[20:37] <cm13g09> craag_philcrump: If you want it back on your server, that's cool
[20:37] Action: Rebounder loves SI :)
[20:37] <mfa298> I think SIbot may have taken a break due to the abuse it was receiving
[20:38] Action: Rebounder toastes with a gallon of HE.
[20:38] <peterbjornx> 1 gallon
[20:39] <peterbjornx> hmm, doesn't appear to do that
[20:39] <cm13g09> peterbjornx: it doesn't support that
[20:39] <peterbjornx> wonderful idea though
[20:39] <chrisstubbs> 0.00497096954 furlongs
[20:39] <peterbjornx> what on earth is a furlong?
[20:40] <mikestir> comedy english unit
[20:40] <Rebounder> Had to wikipedia just for fun.. i had forgotten there's a imperial and a us gallon.. odh
[20:40] <Rebounder> doh
[20:40] <lz1dev> peterbjornx: its part of the FFF unit system
[20:40] <peterbjornx> ah, i faintly remember hearing it in the movie version of "another brick in the wall pt2" by pink floyd
[20:41] <mikestir> equal to one-eighth of a mile, equivalent to 220 yards, 660 feet, 40 rods, or 10 chains
[20:41] <SIbot> In real units: 660 ft = 201 m
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[20:42] <mikestir> how many rods are there in a fortnight?
[20:42] <lz1dev> as many as you can handle
[20:42] <lz1dev> :)
[20:42] <Upu> Assuming "rods" is a unit | Use as a given name instead
[20:43] <mfa298> well if the balloons transmitting on .650 I've got no chance of hearing it now. There's a net happening on whichever repeater is using that as an input near hear (portsmouth I think)
[20:43] <Upu> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=rods+in+a+fortnight
[20:43] <mikestir> equivalent to 40 blokes called rod placed head to toe?
[20:43] <cm13g09> mfa298: ah!
[20:43] <mfa298> let's hope the payload doesn't cause issues for the repeater users :p
[20:44] <chrisstubbs> depends how fast your going
[20:44] <Upu> haha mfa298
[20:45] <mfa298> 1.8 x 10^12 - Answer to one of the more interesting pub quiz questions I've heard
[20:45] Action: mfa298 wonders who can determine the question
[20:48] <mikestir> what is the speed of light in feet per half hour?
[20:48] <SIbot> In real units: null ft = NaN m
[20:48] <superkuh> Something about pH measurement and ion concentration?
[20:48] <superkuh> Oh. Nevermind. 10^12, not 10^-12.
[20:48] <mfa298> mikestir's close
[20:49] <lz1dev> SIbot: lol
[20:49] <mfa298> or at least based on the question that was asked (google seems to thing that's about the same value)
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[20:50] <mikestir> well you never specified the number of significant figures :)
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[20:51] <mfa298> quiz question was furlongs per fortnight
[20:52] <cm13g09> lol
[20:52] <peterbjornx> oh wow
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[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> british railways measure in miles and the subunit is chains and I think 1 mile = 80 chains
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[20:53] <mikestir> lol. there are 660 feet in a furlong and 672 half hours in a fortnight, so the conversions nearly cancel
[20:53] <SIbot> In real units: 660 ft = 201 m
[20:53] <Upu> green circle for you Mike
[20:53] <mikestir> yeah and it seems to be getting weaker
[20:53] <mfa298> although I'm not sure I want to try measuring antenna lengths in fractions of a furlong ...
[20:53] <Upu> concur
[20:53] <Maxell> https://i.imgur.com/4z8DgIn.png
[20:54] <edusupport> Never mind EDUPIC3 will go up tomorrow at about 14:00 I will need a flight doc approved :)
[20:55] <edusupport> I need to build it first
[20:55] <mikestir> almost gone here now
[20:56] <mikestir> and the shift has increased a bit
[20:56] <SIbot> In real units: null ft = NaN m
[20:56] <Upu> paste doc Jed
[20:56] Action: cm13g09 notes that SIbot needs some work
[20:56] <edusupport> It must be the transmitter
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[20:56] <lz1dev> feet
[20:56] <lz1dev> feet
[20:57] <lz1dev> a foot
[20:57] <mikestir> oddly, I'm still getting partials even though it's almost inaudible. earlier it was quite loud and wouldn't decode
[20:57] <chrisstubbs> potato feet
[20:57] <Upu> get it back and I'll replace it
[20:57] <Upu> in fairness I've never had a faulty radiometrix
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[20:57] <cm13g09> right...
[20:57] <cm13g09> that's hopefully fixed that
[20:57] <Upu> what antenna is on it ?
[20:57] <cm13g09> a slight code shift
[20:58] <cm13g09> but 100ft triggers it
[20:58] <cm13g09> hopefully...
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[20:59] <edusupport> upu b647eefcb9354dac132acc0d3231df55
[20:59] <cm13g09> SIbot: 100 feet
[20:59] <cm13g09> nope lol
[20:59] <cm13g09> I broke it!
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[20:59] <Upu> done Jed
[20:59] <edusupport> Thx :)
[21:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> night all
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[21:00] <edusupport> just a 1/4 wave same as I always use
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, one thing I never mentioned
[21:00] <Upu> odd its weak
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> remember how you helped me tweak the antenna track for the GPS on my board?
[21:01] <Upu> I just messed with some settings
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[21:01] <Upu> green
[21:01] <mikestir> shift is about 410 now
[21:01] <Upu> yeah shift has changed
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> the board gets Time lock in the lab when running a few minutes, that seems to be good :) have to take it outside yet to see how quick it gets full lock
[21:01] <Upu> good Lunar_Lander
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:01] <Upu> that was a while ago
[21:01] <Upu> ?
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> that's true
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> I ordered the boards in the Oscar night
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> that was in May I think
[21:02] <mikestir> green. I still think it's decoding better set to 1 stop bit
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> or April
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> so it was before that
[21:02] <Upu> mikestir
[21:02] <Upu> changed demodulator under RTTY to ATC
[21:03] <Upu> from Kahn
[21:03] <mikestir> in the modem settings? Is that a new option?
[21:03] <edusupport> Weird how the shift is changing it never has before the last 2 flights had the same module
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[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> March 3 it was :)
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> so you helped me in February
[21:04] <Upu> Its getting colder Jed
[21:04] <Upu> we are moving into winter
[21:05] <mikestir> and the shift hasn't changed much - if it was stronger it would probably have gone unnoticed
[21:05] <edusupport> Ok that makes sense :)
[21:05] <mikestir> I don't think I've got that option Upu - it's probably a fairly old build of dl-fldigi I'm using
[21:06] <Upu> yeah I have this beta build
[21:06] <Upu> seems to be making a better job
[21:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn
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[21:07] <Upu> -40'C
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[21:09] <mikestir> perked up a bit again
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[21:14] <mikestir> does the MTX2 have a tcxo?
[21:15] <fsphil> edupic heading this way
[21:15] <edusupport> Over to upu
[21:15] <Upu> yes mikestir
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[21:15] <mikestir> looks like it hit the end stop then
[21:15] <Upu> the frequency isn't shifting
[21:15] <mikestir> it is now!
[21:15] <fsphil> should be in range here, better connect things up
[21:15] <edusupport> Yes indeed i can see it but cant decode
[21:16] <mikestir> settled again
[21:16] <Upu> its only rated to -30'C like the NTX2
[21:16] <Upu> and its -45'C now
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[21:16] <Upu> if you're going to launch stuff at night... :)
[21:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> SDR-Radio V2.3 beta is available for those interested
[21:19] <fsphil> !track EDUPIC2
[21:19] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Here you go - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=EDUPIC2
[21:19] <DL7AD> evening
[21:19] <fsphil> howdy
[21:20] <DL7AD> does anyone have experience with solar balloons?
[21:20] <DL7AD> *solar heated
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[21:23] <edusupport> Im sure there is nothing wrong with the MTX2 it has proved to be very reliable so far
[21:24] <Upu> its out of spec by a mile now
[21:25] <Upu> you're going to get some drift on it at that temp
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[21:25] <Upu> this is why floaters are probably going to have to wait until next year now
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[21:25] <Upu> that and the reduced sun light
[21:27] <amell> any ideas re a cheap yagi for 2m. ebay isnt coming up with anything less than £65
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[21:28] <Lunar_LanderA> you can actually make your own Yagi
[21:28] <amell> yeah. i suppose i could do the steel tape yagi thing. just was hoping for something cheap on ebay to save time
[21:29] <Lunar_LanderA> ah
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[21:29] <mikestir> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3el-144MHz-2m-Yagi-Shorter-than-HB9CV-and-Moxon-but-more-GAIN-SOTA-Portable-/290812885021?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones_Communication_Radio_Antennas&hash=item43b5cc781d
[21:29] <Ali786> hi 2 all
[21:30] <edusupport> upu not bad still going at -50 :)
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[21:30] <mikestir> the tcxo has given up but it's tracking ok here even though it's struggling to decode
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[21:31] <edusupport> Cool
[21:31] <mikestir> how high is it expected to go?
[21:31] <yo3fvr> !dial edupic2
[21:31] <SpacenearUS> 03yo3fvr: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC2 10(df55): 03434648.494 MHz, 434648.995 MHz, 434649.997 MHz
[21:33] <amell> someone isnt calibrate
[21:33] <amell> d
[21:33] <mikestir> it's drifting down amell
[21:33] <mikestir> those are my last 3 uploads - dl-fldigi is tuning the rig
[21:34] <mikestir> 434.647500 now
[21:34] <mfa298> most of the frequency uploads are from real radios which are much harder to calibrate
[21:34] <edusupport> mikestir it is supposed to float
[21:34] <mfa298> there's no right click and ppm adjustment
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[21:36] <edusupport> mikestir same here 434.647300
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[21:38] <mikestir> drifting back the other way now!
[21:40] <mikestir> getting wobbly
[21:40] <mikestir> anyone else hearing 1 second pips on it now?
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[21:40] <edusupport> Yes sort of
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[21:41] <mikestir> which field is the battery voltage? last one?
[21:41] <edusupport> mikestir yes
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[21:42] <mikestir> could be flat
[21:42] <edusupport> What is it
[21:43] <mikestir> not sure - last one I can read said 0.58 but it's probably corrupt
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[21:43] <edusupport> should drop out at .8
[21:43] <edusupport> ish
[21:43] <mikestir> ok. well the last ones I have any confidence in say 1.02, which is what it says on spacenear
[21:44] <edusupport> could be about right
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[21:45] <mikestir> the second pulses are presumably something to do with data coming out of the gps
[21:45] <mikestir> gone
[21:45] <Upu> yep
[21:45] <Upu> wonder if the GPS is giving up too
[21:45] <Upu> thats very cold
[21:46] <amell> and dark
[21:46] <edusupport> dead :{
[21:46] <Upu> whats the temp sensor on it ?
[21:47] <amell> is there any chance it might start again when it comes down again
[21:47] <edusupport> ds18b20
[21:47] <amell> is it likely to float?
[21:47] <edusupport> it should float
[21:47] <Upu> given you started to get blips in tx I suspect it may actually be colder than -52
[21:48] <Upu> actually
[21:48] <Upu> check battery volts
[21:48] <amell> listen in the morning when the sun is on it. might wake up
[21:48] <Upu> you can sometimes use the battery voltage as a ghetto temp sensor
[21:49] <Upu> whats the normal run time on it ?
[21:49] <Upu> AA ?
[21:49] <edusupport> 30 hours
[21:50] <Upu> this had an AA ?
[21:50] <edusupport> yes
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[21:51] <Upu> its frozen up
[21:51] <edusupport> lithium
[21:51] <Upu> suspect the temp is actually below -60'C
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[21:51] <edusupport> i think so it has no insulation
[21:51] Action: amell feels cold
[21:51] <Upu> http://stsproject.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Screen-Shot-2012-09-18-at-17.12.09.png
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[21:52] <mikestir> nippy
[21:52] <amell> brass monkeys
[21:52] <Upu> red was DS18B20, blue was a "proper" temp sensor from a Vaisala sonde
[21:52] <Upu> the GPS and battery kicked the bucket on my paper plane below -60'C
[21:52] <mikestir> got a weak drifting carrier on 434.645
[21:53] <Upu> yeah see it
[21:53] <mikestir> drifting up
[21:53] <Upu> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/EDUPIC2#g/battery_volts,temperature
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[21:54] <edusupport> So it was bl******dy cold
[21:54] <Upu> yeah very
[21:54] <Upu> and this is why night launches are getting sketchy now
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[21:55] <Upu> you'll get away with it if you're generating heat or lower (or hight)
[21:55] <Upu> or insulated
[21:55] <Upu> but you picked the coldest part of the sky
[21:55] <Upu> and stayed in it for too long
[21:55] <Upu> it will probably come back if its still up
[21:55] <Upu> but if its 100g
[21:55] <fsphil> !dial EDUPIC2
[21:55] <peterbjornx> Upu, do you have any clue on how to decode a vaisala sonde without that freeware program "sondemonitor"
[21:55] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC2 10(df55): 03434646.92 MHz, 434.499 MHz, 434647.993 MHz, 434648.494 MHz
[21:56] <Upu> they generally float for about 30 mins before bursting
[21:56] <mikestir> I'm pretty sure that carrier is coming from it. the rate it's drifting up and down is the same
[21:56] <Upu> I used to use http://www.coaa.co.uk/sondemonitor.htm
[21:56] <Upu> peterbjornx
[21:56] <edusupport> upu thats cool thx
[21:56] <peterbjornx> last night i couldnt get it to work
[21:57] <peterbjornx> was using RTLSDR + SDR# on windows
[21:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> peterbjornx, The developer of Sondemonitor is the only person to have sat down and broken the protocol and even he isn't certain about several of the calibration parameters ...
[21:57] <Upu> not seeing that carrier mikestir
[21:57] <peterbjornx> Geoff-G8DHE: too bad :(
[21:57] <peterbjornx> why couldn't he have documented it
[21:57] <peterbjornx> greed, i guess
[21:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> It takes a LOT of work, and some guidance from round the back door I think ;-)
[21:58] <fsphil> got a very odd background noise on 434.650
[21:58] <peterbjornx> Geoff-G8DHE: if someone could just figure out what processor core is in those things
[21:58] <peterbjornx> i got a romdump somewhere
[21:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its proprietry and also I think copyrighted.
[21:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> a little suprised he hasn't been "contacted" !
[21:59] <amell> have you recovered a sonde?
[21:59] <edusupport> mikestir i see that carrier at 434.650900
[22:00] <peterbjornx> as someone who once designed a simple processor (only down to gate level) I dont think it is a custom core
[22:00] <edusupport> still drifting
[22:00] <peterbjornx> amell: 2 actually, one from a lake, other one from a tree, still working
[22:00] <mikestir> edusupport: on .645500 here
[22:00] <peterbjornx> both by luck
[22:00] <peterbjornx> not by tracking
[22:00] <peterbjornx> i wish to recover some more for parts
[22:01] <peterbjornx> i discovered that using a rtlsdr stick and a simple 1/4 wave groundplane antenna i could get 5 different signals
[22:01] <amell> http://bardagjy.com/?p=1370 is interesting
[22:01] <peterbjornx> i just couldn't get sondemonitor to work
[22:01] <peterbjornx> :(
[22:01] <fsphil> it's a very fussy program
[22:01] <Upu> I suspect the battery is "incapacitated" so I doubt that carrier (which just disappeared for me) is it
[22:01] <fsphil> oh has it failed?
[22:02] <Maxell> peterbjornx: yeah I tracked down knmi's ozon sonde based on signal strength...
[22:02] <Upu> yes fsphil
[22:02] <Upu> we think it dropped below -60'
[22:02] <fsphil> typical. just got the radio connected
[22:02] <peterbjornx> one of those signals was strong and kept transmitting for about 8 hours after launch so i think it landed close to me
[22:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> It works for me OK, can run a couple of copies to track more than one Sonde, but its limited in the number of audio channels it can handle
[22:02] <Maxell> In between to highways!
[22:02] <peterbjornx> Maxell: wow, how
[22:02] <Upu> the GPS started crapping out and then the battery took a dump
[22:02] <Maxell> peterbjornx: yagi + fm handheld
[22:02] <peterbjornx> hmm, I should hack that old scanner i have lying around
[22:02] <Upu> edusupport check the end of this spread sheet out : http://ava.upuaut.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/SNOW.csv
[22:03] <Upu> Note as it fell with no insulation the battery dropped and the GPS started dying
[22:03] <Upu> just like yours
[22:03] <peterbjornx> supports only 66-88,137-144,144-146,146-174,406-420 mhz
[22:03] <Lunar_LanderA> Maxell, cool, Vaisala with the Ozone addon package?
[22:03] <peterbjornx> Maxell: how much was the bounty?
[22:05] <edusupport> upu nearly identical
[22:05] <Upu> yep
[22:05] <Maxell> peterbjornx: none. Unable to recover (in between two busy highways)
[22:06] <peterbjornx> oh, no "vluchstrook" parking ?
[22:06] <peterbjornx> don't know the english word for it unfortunately
[22:06] <Maxell> peterbjornx: "emergency lane"?
[22:07] <fsphil> hard shoulder
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[22:08] <edusupport> Interesting stuff just makes you want to do it again :)
[22:08] <Maxell> No, I reported back to the guy that informed be about it he contacted rijkswaterstaat/knmi
[22:08] <Upu> :)
[22:08] <Upu> put some insulation on the next one
[22:08] <chrisstubbs> daveake, you should probably take a look at https://github.com/PiInTheSky/pits/blob/master/tracker/tracker.c#L17
[22:08] <Upu> a few g's here or there won't make a difference to a latex
[22:08] <Upu> lol chris_99
[22:08] <Upu> chrisstubbs
[22:08] <edusupport> Ok tomorrow it is
[22:09] <Upu> try this: https://github.com/HABduino/HABduino/blob/master/Software/habduino/habduino.ino#L34-L65
[22:09] <peterbjornx> time to add an arduino to that scanner to drive its pll directly
[22:10] <Lunar_LanderB> good night everyone!
[22:10] <Upu> night Lunar
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[22:10] <fsphil> you could shorten all tha to "Don't be a dick"
[22:10] <amell> DBAD license?
[22:10] <fsphil> zactly
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[22:11] <Upu> :)
[22:12] <fsphil> weird noise on the 70cm band appears to be on all frequences 420-450mhz
[22:12] <fsphil> hope it's not my radio failing
[22:12] <mattbrejza> is there someone standing behind you making modem noises?
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[22:13] <fsphil> just a creature from underneath the bed
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[22:14] <mattbrejza> you had the dream too?
[22:14] <mfa298> reading the habduino legal stuff I think it's safe to say Upu has passed the speak like a lawyer exam.
[22:14] <fsphil> was it a dream?
[22:14] <fsphil> good episode that
[22:14] <Upu> lol
[22:14] <mfa298> I think that was on a par with Blink
[22:16] <mattbrejza> blink was better
[22:16] <fsphil> yea
[22:16] <mattbrejza> also 'are you my mummy?'
[22:17] <mattbrejza> whatever those ones were called
[22:17] <fsphil> the empty child
[22:17] <fsphil> and the doctor dances
[22:17] <fsphil> </nerd>
[22:17] <mattbrejza> lol
[22:17] <mfa298> I think it's the closest we've had to blink for a long time
[22:18] <mattbrejza> that eposode still leaves the door open for a potential followup
[22:21] <mfa298> It might be time to go back and watch some of the older episodes from what I remember (and a quick browse of the episode titles) there were some good bits in the first couple of series of the recent stuff. After that it seemed like a series had to have certain ingredients and they all went downhill
[22:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh SDR-Console now uses CUDA for processing as well which makes it a trifleless CPU intensive!
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[22:27] <mfa298> that'll probably only help those of use with nvidia graphics cards. Although it could help a lot on my normal tracking machine (atom with nvidia ion graphics)
[22:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> quite! Its well over 25% of CPU when I have 5 VFO's running, hopefully that might drop a bit
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[22:31] <peterbjornx> mfa298: the current season is pretty decent too
[22:32] <peterbjornx> way better than the whole matt smith bullshit atleast
[22:34] <peterbjornx> Geoff-G8DHE: link?
[22:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://v2.sdr-radio.com/Download/V23Preview.aspx
[22:37] <mfa298> I've nothing against Matt Smith but the writing has been going downhill for a while and it still has a way to go.
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[22:38] <amell> the new series is a LOT better than last series, give it a try
[22:38] <peterbjornx> its not that matt is a bad actor, his character just wasn't that great
[22:38] <mfa298> it's getting better but still has a way to go
[22:40] <mfa298> it was so much better when you didn't realise there was a back story until most of the way through the series (Bad Wolf)
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[23:03] <lz1dev> something something its 10,000 feet high
[23:04] <SIbot> In real units: 10000 feet = 3048 meter
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[23:05] <lz1dev> jimmy seems to be moving at 5ft/s wow
[23:05] <SIbot> In real units: 5ft/s = 1.524 meter/s
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[23:10] <Oddstr13> hm..
[23:10] <lz1dev> 100 chain/fortnight
[23:10] <SIbot> In real units: 100 chain/fortnight = 2011.68 meter/fortnight
[23:11] <Oddstr13> 5.25"
[23:11] <Oddstr13> 5.25in
[23:11] <SIbot> In real units: 5.25in = 133.35 mm
[23:11] <Oddstr13> okay :P
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[23:12] Action: Oddstr13 is sitting with a 13.335cm floppy drive in his hand, pondering about how to kill his arduino with it
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[23:15] <lz1dev> 5 fortnight
[23:15] <SIbot> In real units: 5 fortnight = 10 weeks
[23:15] <lz1dev> 100 chains/fortnight
[23:15] <SIbot> In real units: 100 chain = 2011.68 meters
[23:15] <Oddstr13> 1"
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[23:16] <Oddstr13> 5'/s
[23:16] <Oddstr13> :P
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[23:18] <lz1dev> 100 chains/fortnight
[23:18] <SIbot> In real units: 100 chain = 2011.68 meters
[23:18] <lz1dev> 100 chain/fortnight
[23:18] <SIbot> In real units: 100 chain/fortnight = 1005.84 meter/week
[23:19] <lz1dev> oh i see
[23:19] <lz1dev> 1"
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[23:19] <Oddstr13> (^.^)
[23:21] <amell> 100nm
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[23:23] <lz1dev> 100 chains/fortnight
[23:23] <SIbot> In real units: 100 chains/fortnight = 1005.84 meter/week
[23:23] <Oddstr13> 5.25"
[23:23] <SIbot> In real units: 5.25inch = 133.35 mms
[23:23] <Oddstr13> 5 1/4"
[23:23] <SIbot> In real units: 1/4inch = 101.6 mms
[23:23] <Oddstr13> 5¼"
[23:24] <Oddstr13> making your life hard, anr't i? :P
[23:25] <lz1dev> my life was hard when i had to order a window and the size had to be in inches
[23:25] <Oddstr13> ouch
[23:25] <lz1dev> ticknes of 8/32" or something
[23:25] <SIbot> In real units: 8/32inch = 101.6 mms
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[23:26] <lz1dev> 8/32
[23:26] <lz1dev> 8/32"
[23:26] <SIbot> In real units: 8/32inch = 101.6 mms
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[23:26] <Oddstr13> millimeterseconds?
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[23:28] <lz1dev> 8/32"
[23:28] <lz1dev> derp
[23:28] <lz1dev> 32"
[23:29] <Oddstr13> 2in
[23:29] <lz1dev> i broke it :D
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[23:29] <Oddstr13> <3
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