highaltitude.log.20140907

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[01:12] <aadamson> !dial n2nxz-7
[01:12] <SpacenearUS> 03aadamson: Payload 03N2NXZ-7 10(630b) - 03Trans Atlantic - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-7 none 2
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[01:14] <aadamson> !hysplit
[01:14] <SpacenearUS> 03aadamson: HYSPLIT available for: 03B-64, B-66, N2NXZ-7, PS, VX-20
[01:15] <aadamson> !hysplit n2nxz-7
[01:15] <SpacenearUS> 03aadamson: HYSPLIT for 03N2NXZ-7 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/140906-22_195511_N2NXZ7.gif
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[02:03] <kf7fer> So anybody know how APRS payloads get on SpacenearUS?
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[02:10] <lz1dev> kf7fer: we can put them there
[02:11] <lz1dev> some people have made their on little programs to upload the position
[02:11] <lz1dev> their own*
[02:17] <kf7fer> Ok so I just have to do the flight document then?
[02:17] <kf7fer> sorry I'm a bit distracted
[02:17] <kf7fer> or was
[02:18] <kf7fer> so this flight I want to get listed is for 9/13 (or 9/14) depending up on rain; do we simply submit the initial flight and then have it removed and re-submit if needed?
[02:19] <lz1dev> you don't need a doc
[02:19] <kf7fer> just need to notify someone like you?
[02:19] <lz1dev> yeh, before the flight if possible
[02:19] <lz1dev> there are few people who can set it up
[02:20] <kf7fer> how soon?
[02:22] <lz1dev> before the flight
[02:22] <lz1dev> say an hour
[02:22] <lz1dev> ofc, assuming its not during the nightin the UK
[02:23] <lz1dev> in which case you might want to do it even earlier :)
[02:23] <kf7fer> hmmm... I'll have to check on that to be honest ;-)
[02:23] <kf7fer> but that would be perfect... we'd know if the flight was a go due to weather then
[02:28] <kf7fer> thanks!
[02:31] <kf7fer> BTW quick check on the world timezone map shows this 5pm UK time (or so)
[02:53] <N2NXZ> All have a good night,time for sleep here.Good luck with balloons in the air!
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[05:34] <solitude> is there a way to reduce excessive rotation of the payload?
[05:48] <MLow> more mass?
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[06:29] <wonxega> Can anyone tell by looking at this image what altitude you think it is? http://i.imgur.com/ldEE80G.png
[06:29] <wonxega> Doesnt look like 90,000 ft to me
[06:32] <MLow> check the exif data /sarcasm
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[06:34] <MLow> i dont think its 90km no
[06:36] <MLow> 27km maybe ya
[06:37] <MLow> this is 100,000ft http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Picture_taken_at_aprox._100,000_feet_above_Oregon_by_Justin_Hamel_and_Chris_Thompson.jpg#mediaviewer/File:Picture_taken_at_aprox._100,000_feet_above_Oregon_by_Justin_Hamel_and_Chris_Thompson.jpg
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[07:05] <wonxega> so how high do you think it is?
[07:09] <MLow> 27km seems about right
[07:09] <MLow> like just under the pic i linked
[07:10] <wonxega> Shouldn't the sky have been black at 27 km?
[07:11] <wonxega> I mean, comparing it to videos by others at such altitudes I'm not really impressed with the result... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZw_LySNNzM
[07:12] <wonxega> Maybe the time of the day has an effect on that (it was evening)?
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[07:22] <Upu> what was the balloon and the payload weight
[07:22] <Upu> and what was your ascent rate ?
[07:23] <wonxega> Pawan 600
[07:23] <wonxega> 550 gram payload (including everything except balloon)
[07:24] <wonxega> bursted after 83 minutes from launch\
[07:24] <wonxega> launch altitude: 1000 m
[07:25] <wonxega> I don't know the exact ascent rate, just what I got from the calculator on habhub.org
[07:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9RQA - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SP9RQA
[07:26] <wonxega> Looks more like 12 km to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7lxiP4aNLY&list=UUwGly_STrH-RghKvpxxiQqQ
[07:29] <Upu> did you have no tracker on it ?
[07:31] <Upu> estimated burst is about 28km
[07:31] <Upu> estimate ascent rate 5,29m/s
[07:31] <Upu> so if you know the time the image was taken...
[07:32] <wonxega> right before burst
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[07:33] <Upu> 27.9km then :)
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[07:33] <Upu> fly a radio tracker next time :)
[07:34] <wonxega> OK.
[07:35] <wonxega> Do you think its possible it bursted at much lower altitudes for some reason (like bad helium mix)?
[07:35] <Upu> looks to be above 21km
[07:35] <Upu> looks consistant with the altitude its very hard to judge though
[07:36] <wonxega> sure
[07:36] <wonxega> maybe i just set up the camera at bad angle
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[07:37] <wonxega> or the sun in the horizon had an effect
[07:39] <Upu> 83 mins to burst is consistant with 5.2m/s
[07:39] <Upu> afk
[07:43] <wonxega> yeah, just thinking maybe Im missing something
[07:44] <wonxega> so anyone launched during evening? when sun is in the horizon? Have you noticed that making the sky gradient appear more bright?
[07:46] <wonxega> also forgot to say it landed 30 km more west than predicted. The balloon didnt burst very well and it fell on the parachute but I think that would have the opposite effect
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[08:02] <number10> !flights
[08:02] <SpacenearUS> 03number10: Current flights: 03BST-1 10(67ee), 03MAXMED01 10(00b8), 03PI_CE1 10(18e4), 03XABEN80 10(b69f), 03PI_CE2 10(0c07), 03PI_CE1 10(d0ed), 03VX-20 434.200/144.250 MHz 10(5d26), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[08:03] <number10> !flight XABEN80
[08:03] <SpacenearUS> 03number10: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[08:51] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM all
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[09:00] <Bat`O> hey guys, just here to say congrats for http://predict.habhub.org/ and http://habhub.org/calc/
[09:00] <Bat`O> we used it for our own launch, and it worked awesomely well
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[09:06] <amell> eek. i am late.
[09:07] <amell> heading to elsworth now
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[09:15] <DL7AD_> K6awiE7g
[09:15] <amell> thanks for the password
[09:16] <DL7AD_> i use different passwords for everthing ;)
[09:18] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
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[09:32] <simium> hi, is there a way to retrieve the data from the SpaceNear tracker? KML or something?
[09:33] <simium> my flight was $$KRLV, something with the GPS failed and it displayed the same altitude along all the flight
[09:33] <daveake> http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
[09:33] <mfa298> simium: http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
[09:34] <daveake> I win
[09:34] <mfa298> I didn't even get a chance to type snap :(
[09:34] <lz1dev> i wonder what he won
[09:34] <daveake> :)
[09:34] <simium> Daveake always wins :P (I saw your LoRa test, awesome!)
[09:34] <daveake> yeah went well
[09:35] <daveake> surprisingly well on the ssdv side
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[09:36] <simium> the only guy who followed us (from 300 km away, in Madrid) did not upload anything, I guess he didn't configure his callsign or something... the only pics that we received from launch site were black sky
[09:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> 'Morning guys
[09:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MAX - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=MAX
[09:38] <fsphil> simium: weak signal?
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[09:39] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[09:39] <JP_> !flights
[09:39] <SpacenearUS> 03JP_: Current flights: 03BST-1 10(67ee), 03MAXMED01 10(00b8), 03PI_CE1 10(18e4), 03XABEN80 10(b69f), 03PI_CE2 10(0c07), 03PI_CE1 10(d0ed), 03VX-20 434.200/144.250 MHz 10(5d26), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[09:40] <simium> fsphil nope, he listened to the payload perfectly, actually he even warned us that the balloon probably just exploded
[09:41] <simium> at the same time we were noticing...
[09:41] <simium> he is a ham expert, however it was his first time with dl-fldigi
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[09:42] <fsphil> it is unusual to get so few packets
[09:42] <mikestir> ham expert. mmm bacon
[09:42] <fsphil> the last time it happened me the antenna had fallen off the payload
[09:42] <daveake> rp-sma for me
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[09:43] <mikestir> daveake: keep some paperclips handy for that one
[09:43] <daveake> :)
[09:44] <amell_> ISH is being significantly extended at Elsworth
[09:44] <amell_> http://imgur.com/snX4Skx
[09:44] <Lunar_Lander> multiple launch?
[09:44] <amell_> One balloon inflated. Two more to go
[09:44] <amell_> Yes. Three
[09:45] <simium> mikestir lol
[09:45] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[09:45] <daveake> camera on any of them?
[09:45] <amell_> Some concern over changed prediction
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[09:45] <amell_> Yes. One camera
[09:45] <daveake> might get some payload --> payload action then
[09:46] <simium> fsphil nope, antenna was ok, and from ground we received a lot of stuff, but I was the only one receiving on ground zero and he was the one listening from far away
[09:46] <daveake> Darkside and I did that, also at Elsworth, and got some great pix
[09:46] <amell_> The worry is landing in Ipswich
[09:46] <simium> we jumped to the cars 30 minutes after launch
[09:46] <amell_> One payload is ssdv
[09:47] <daveake> Don't think any ssdv images yet have shown another flight
[09:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03X0 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=X0
[09:49] <simium> why do you think the altitude from the gps was locked to the same position? Other data from the GPS was good along the flight
[09:49] <fsphil> what model of gps?
[09:49] <joeman2> ipswitch (australia?)
[09:50] <amell_> England
[09:50] <joeman2> k
[09:50] <simium> adafruit's ultimate gps fsphil
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[09:51] <fsphil> limitation of the module perhaps. it might require changing mode to work at that altitude, similar to the ublox
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[09:52] <fsphil> what altitude is expected for todays flights?
[09:52] <fsphil> I have the yagi here, might give it a go
[09:54] <simium> fsphil, I will check that, thank you
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[09:55] <simium> thing is the GPS stood on that position since launch, it was the launch point altitude...
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[09:56] <daveake> any cameras on the payload?
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[09:57] <Lunar_Lander> simium, so the GPS measured x and y but not z so to speak?
[09:57] <fsphil> I believe PI-CE1 on the ssdv page is on this flight
[09:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> There's SSDV coming in on the SSDV page daveake
[09:57] <amell_> Yes. One ssdv
[09:57] <fsphil> I see feet
[09:57] <amell_> Two going to 25k
[09:57] <fsphil> that's one small step in a field for man
[09:57] <amell_> Ssdv one is 1000g so...
[09:58] <fsphil> ooh yea that might get into range
[09:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> Can I have the frequency for MAX please?
[09:58] <MLow> simium: im not saying it was aliens...
[09:58] <amell_> I don't have my radio with me
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[10:00] <amell_> Max about to launch
[10:00] <EwanP> Hi all, is there a URL for the SSDV for the flights from Eslworth or can it only be seen by those tracking the flight directly?
[10:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[10:01] <EwanP> Tx,
[10:01] <Lunar_Lander> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[10:01] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[10:01] <amell_> Max is launched
[10:01] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[10:01] <Lunar_Lander> that happens if you don't bookmark :)
[10:01] <Martin_G4FUI> Poised like a coiled spring here, Steve_G0TDJ ...
[10:01] <amell_> Straight up. Little wind
[10:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Lunar_Lander: I just grabbed it from the page I@m watching ;-)
[10:02] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
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[10:02] <amell_> Anybody receiving?
[10:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> I haven't found the frequency. Not in any of the announcements as far as I can tell
[10:02] <EwanP> Bookmarked now :-)
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[10:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good stuff EwanP
[10:03] <mikestir> 434.425 on the mailing list Steve_G0TDJ
[10:03] <MLow> altitide still says 50m
[10:03] <fsphil> not launched yet
[10:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> mikestir: I did look - must've been the wrong announcements I looked at :-) - Cheers
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[10:03] <mikestir> It's in that long XABEN80 thread
[10:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ah, OK
[10:04] <fsphil> ok what's the red thing with eyes
[10:04] <Lunar_Lander> I like how the map says "Norfolk Coast Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty"
[10:04] <Martin_G4FUI> It's sometimes hard to follow the announcements/unannouncements/reannouncements - best thing is to tune in to this channel! :)
[10:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> mikestir: There should be some sort of convention for launch announcements
[10:04] <Lunar_Lander> ah GPS malfunction
[10:04] <amell_> http://imgur.com/bMaLO64
[10:05] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[10:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Getting all kinds of QRM on 434.425MHz here in Crayford
[10:06] <daveake> max max altitude < actual max
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[10:06] <daveake> Perhaps it will fix itself in a min
[10:06] <number10> sounds like a riddle
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[10:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> maxmed01 what shift are people seeing it at ? I can see a pair but at 900Hz which seems way too much ?
[10:08] <Lunar_Lander> I just noticed that the balloon is about to pass "Lolworth"
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[10:09] <daveake> max also too a latitude gps jump so it's definitely not well
[10:09] <daveake> took
[10:10] <amell_> Hopefully it will settle down
[10:10] <fsphil> oh dear, someone went to 0,0
[10:11] <daveake> yeah max went to min
[10:11] <daveake> for a sec
[10:11] <MLow> altitide has been 614m for a while
[10:12] <daveake> long/lat seem to be ok
[10:12] <MLow> thats an impressivly accurate float altitude
[10:12] <Herman-PB0AHX> wat is the frequentie off MAX ??
[10:12] <amell_> http://imgur.com/geOR50T
[10:12] <amell_> Ssdv payload
[10:12] <mfa298> looks like it wasn't quite 0,0. Padding bug perhaps (0.866667,0.1)
[10:12] <mfa298> or a gps parsing bug
[10:13] <daveake> parsing would make sense as alt is still stuck
[10:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> Herman-PB0AHX: 434.425MHz
[10:13] <daveake> ah jumped
[10:13] <amell_> http://imgur.com/k45rxRO this is the ssdv one next up
[10:13] <Herman-PB0AHX> Steve_G0TDJ: mni tnx
[10:13] <daveake> now stuck at 1871m
[10:13] <daveake> not stuck
[10:13] <bertrik> weather is looking nice :)
[10:14] <amell_> Very nice
[10:15] <jcoxon> looks like great weather
[10:16] <simium> Lunar_Lander: yes, the GPS updated latitude and longitude flawlessly, but during flight it did not update the altitude... on landing site it was 0.0
[10:16] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[10:17] <joeman2> do you have air pressure measurements?
[10:17] <joeman2> you might be able to get an etimate of altitude from air pressure
[10:17] <joeman2> that is what thing I've programmed into my ground station device
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[10:18] <Ron_G8FJG> max is on 3 freqs .407 .424 and 439 al decodable
[10:18] <Ron_G8FJG> all
[10:19] <MLow> is MAX floater?
[10:19] <amell_> Ron: eh?
[10:19] <G8KNN_> Ron_G8FJG: I can see it on those frequencies as well :(
[10:19] <amell_> About to launch ssdv one
[10:20] <simium> I got the data from the GPS string "as is", so I guess it was the satellites not updating properly (at home some tests gave me altitude of 5000m)
[10:20] <number10> I was tune into one of the sidebands accidentally
[10:20] <number10> +d
[10:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> Looks like it's 50bd 7n1 (not 50bd 8n2 which is what auto-configure sets) Shift 270Hz
[10:20] <amell_> Atc call now
[10:20] <Ron_G8FJG> also 454 but weak, good rx test
[10:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> MAX 434.422.84 for 1500 center here
[10:21] <amell_> Ssdv payload is launched
[10:21] <fsphil> good luck
[10:21] <amell_> Looks fast
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[10:22] <Brian-G0HDI> MAX Green
[10:22] <deebs67> !flights
[10:22] <SpacenearUS> 03deebs67: Current flights: 03BST-1 10(67ee), 03MAXMED01 10(00b8), 03PI_CE1 10(18e4), 03XABEN80 10(b69f), 03PI_CE2 10(0c07), 03PI_CE1 10(d0ed), 03VX-20 434.200/144.250 MHz 10(5d26), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[10:22] <Northants> Is that MAX on . 422 ? Hearing it but not decoding this way
[10:23] <Ron_G8FJG> PI-ce1 green
[10:23] <number10> yes - but its 7 bits Northants
[10:23] <Northants> Number 10 Thanks
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[10:24] <chimpusmaximus_> PI_CE2 flight with payload PI_CE1 is launched
[10:24] <Maxell> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFtkA1UDl70
[10:25] <chimpusmaximus_> 434.35MHz USB RTTY 300 baud 900Hz shift ASCII-8 no parity 2 stop bits
[10:25] <Maxell> is that MAX?
[10:26] <chimpusmaximus_> no max already gone i think
[10:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/MAXMED01_20140909/
[10:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> Maxell: MAX is 434.422.84MHz 50bd 7n1 with shift currently 265Hz
[10:28] <Maxell> ok
[10:28] <Maxell> PI_CE1 is 434.35MHz USB RTTY 300 baud 900Hz shift ASCII-8 no parity 2 stop bits
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[10:28] <Maxell> also launched
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[10:29] <daveake> airborne ssdv ppic coming in now
[10:30] <Herman-PB0AHX> i hrd max but no writing yet
[10:30] <chimpusmaximus_> excelllent
[10:30] <Herman-PB0AHX> max is also ssdv ??
[10:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> Herman-PB0AHX: No, just rtty
[10:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok
[10:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> $$MX,324,10:31:14,52.265213,
[10:31] <chimpusmaximus_> dont think MAX is
[10:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> yessssss first green from max
[10:32] <db_g6gzh_> PI_CE1 : Incorrect number of fields (got 10, expect 12)
[10:32] <fsphil> what's pi-c1's callsign on spacenear?
[10:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> 50bd SSDV would be painful ;-)
[10:32] <fsphil> oh that would explain why I don't see it :)
[10:32] <chimpusmaximus_> it shoudl be flight pi_CE2 with payload pi_ce1
[10:32] <db_g6gzh_> yeah, I was uploading strings but nothing on the map
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[10:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/MAXMED01_20140909/index.php?ind=2
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[10:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Maxmed seems happy now!
[10:33] <mikestir> max just starting to decode here on the blue line so you might have some success when it's a bit higher fsphil
[10:33] <jarod> Why on http://spacenear.us/tracker/ isn't the frequency added with the info ???
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[10:33] <fsphil> yea I've got a good antenna here
[10:33] <fsphil> though not a great horizon
[10:34] <mikestir> my horizon towards cambridge isn't that great so this seems quite good
[10:34] <number10> what antenna are you using fsphil ?
[10:34] <fsphil> I'll be using a 10-element yagi
[10:34] <Brian-G0HDI> RX ssdv from PI-CE1
[10:35] <number10> is that portable on tripod fsphil ?
[10:35] <fsphil> number10: yep
[10:35] <fsphil> not setup yet, will wait until it gets higher
[10:36] <chimpusmaximus_> not sure why its not updating on tracker
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[10:37] <amell_> Xaben is launched
[10:37] <number10> !flight XABEN80
[10:37] <SpacenearUS> 03number10: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:38] <amell_> X0
[10:38] <chimpusmaximus_> !flight PI_CE2
[10:38] <SpacenearUS> 03chimpusmaximus_: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:38] <chimpusmaximus_> !flight PI_CE1
[10:38] <SpacenearUS> 03chimpusmaximus_: Flight 10(18e4): 03PI_CE1 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 11:00 from 03Cambridgeshire, UK 10(52.2135,0.0964)
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[10:38] <amell_> !flight X0
[10:38] <SpacenearUS> 03amell_: Flight 10(b69f): 03XABEN80 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 10:00 from 03Cambridgeshire, UK 10(52.2511,-0.0927)
[10:38] <db_g6gzh_> chimpusmaximus_: payload doc doesn't match what it's sending : Incorrect number of fields (got 10, expect 12)
[10:38] <chimpusmaximus_> that seem to keep happeing even when its been tested#
[10:38] <jarod> why on all the info stuff is no frequency mentioned?????
[10:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> !payload MAX
[10:39] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Payload 03MaxMed02 10(00b8) 03$$MAX - 03434.421 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/450Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[10:39] <jarod> there is one :P
[10:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> !payload PI_CE1
[10:39] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Payload 03PI_CE1 10(18e4) 03$$PI_CE1 - 03PIE with sensors 300 baud - 03434.075 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/900Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[10:39] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Payload 03PI_CE1 10(0c07) 03$$PI_CE1 - 03PIE with sensors 300 baud - 03434.35 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/900Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[10:39] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Payload 03PI_CE1 10(d0ed) 03$$PI_CE1 - 03PIE with sensors 300 baud - 03434.35 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/900Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[10:39] <jarod> should be on the website
[10:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its on the IRC because things change at the last minute
[10:40] <joeman2> cool
[10:40] <joeman2> I can see image 5
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[10:40] <joeman2> (clouds)
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[10:40] <jarod> and noone can update a page? lol
[10:41] <chimpusmaximus_> i assume for pi_CE i have the wrong payload attached
[10:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SPAVA - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SPAVA
[10:41] <Northants> Is any SSDV on today as I've never seen any before RX'ed by myself
[10:41] <chimpusmaximus_> 434.35MHz USB RTTY 300 baud 900Hz shift ASCII-8 no parity 2 stop bits SSDV at moment
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[10:42] <number10> Northants: pi_ce1 is on ssdv 434.348
[10:42] <db_g6gzh_> chimpusmaximus_: possibly the flight doc refers to the wrong payload doc, maybe someone in #habhub can help
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[10:43] <tweetBot1> @G8DHE: HAB UPDATE: 3 flights MAX, PI_CE1 & X0 track http://t.co/kTUrHMrnvo #ukhas #hamr #hab
[10:43] <Upu> SPAVA up
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[10:43] <daveake> Upu Are you feeling well?
[10:44] <daveake> Most unusual :p
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[10:44] <amell_> Can we clean the snus?
[10:44] <lz1dev> sounds gross
[10:44] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[10:44] <amell_> Lol
[10:44] <Herman-PB0AHX> MAX is a stble and clear signaal here
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[10:44] <Upu> got back from tescos
[10:44] <Upu> and it was clear
[10:44] <Upu> and still
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[10:45] <Upu> however it maybe going into some heavy coulds
[10:45] <PE2BZ> !payload jota2
[10:45] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:45] <PE2BZ> !payload
[10:45] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[10:45] <Upu> clouds
[10:45] <Northants> Number 10 ;-) Awesome! its coming in! thanks for that
[10:46] <number10> what size Upu ?
[10:46] <PE2BZ> !payload max
[10:46] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03MaxMed02 10(00b8) 03$$MAX - 03434.421 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/450Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[10:46] <Upu> 36" qualatex
[10:46] <Upu> solar powered
[10:46] <Upu> !dial SPAVA
[10:46] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Payload 03SPAVA 10(d63f) 03$$SPAVA - 03PAVA THOR 16  - 03434.446 MHz USB 03DominoEX with speed 0316
[10:46] <Upu> blimey 2E0KPI on it
[10:47] <DanielRichman> lz1dev: where does !dial come from, ooi?
[10:47] <lz1dev> dial payload payloads
[10:47] <lz1dev> is the same command
[10:47] <number10> !dial X0
[10:47] <SpacenearUS> 03number10: Payload 03X0 10(b69f) 03$$X0 - 03434.363 MHz USB 03RTTY 150/600Hz ASCII-7 none 1
[10:47] <DanielRichman> yes, but is the information from the payload doc?
[10:47] <DanielRichman> or the payload telem
[10:47] <lz1dev> but its from habitat, only approved flight doc
[10:47] <DanielRichman> ages ago I added a feature to fldigi that reports the current dial freq if it can along with uploads
[10:47] <lz1dev> and within the window
[10:47] <DanielRichman> we don't use that data yet
[10:47] <DanielRichman> was curious if you had started to
[10:48] <mikestir> upu freq?
[10:48] <lz1dev> payload doc
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[10:48] <lz1dev> oh yeh listener telemetry has dials doesnt it?
[10:48] <Martin_G4FUI> Got something on 434.349MHz 890 shift, any ideas? (confused.com here ...)
[10:49] <number10> thats MAX sidebands Martin_G4FUI
[10:49] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: grmbl... MAX payload in the middle of wide band fm QRM... http://i.sigio.nl/bb86b819cc72ae117c283bd0aa10cb18.png
[10:49] <amell_> Why am I not seeing pice1 on the mobile tracker?
[10:49] <Upu> 434.446 mikestir
[10:49] <Upu> ooo me cells are working :)
[10:49] <mikestir> ta. got it
[10:50] <mikestir> not strong enough yet
[10:50] <number10> i think - but sift more like pi
[10:50] <number10> shift
[10:51] <Upu> its THOR16
[10:51] <Upu> so it may decode
[10:51] <Upu> look at the voltage :)
[10:52] <bertrik> I get MAX at approx 270 Hz shift
[10:52] <amell_> Can we fix flight doc for pi_ce?
[10:52] <chimpusmaximus_> trying just relogged awaiting approbal
[10:53] <Upu> flight is OLOOKITSNICEOUTSIDE
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[10:53] <Herman-PB0AHX> bertrik: i have him on 265 shift
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[10:53] <F5OPR> Hello
[10:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> F5OPR: Hi
[10:54] <bertrik> Herman-PB0AHX: ok, I get the signal coming in very loud and clear, wonder if it's just 10 mW :)
[10:55] <Herman-PB0AHX> bertrik: yes amazing how loud it is some times
[10:55] <Maxell> "amazing" :P
[10:56] <chimpusmaximus_> i'm a bit lost on the flight docs etc.
[10:57] <fsphil> spacenear needs a good cleanup
[10:57] <fsphil> Upu: you launched?
[10:57] <Upu> yup
[10:58] <pd3t> !payload max
[10:58] <SpacenearUS> 03pd3t: Payload 03MaxMed02 10(00b8) 03$$MAX - 03434.421 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/450Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[10:58] <pd3t> ?
[10:58] <pd3t> that's nothing near 450?
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[10:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> pd3t: That information is inaccurate
[10:59] <pc1pcl> pd3t: 7n1, shift 270
[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> !payload X0
[10:59] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Payload 03X0 10(b69f) 03$$X0 - 03434.363 MHz USB 03RTTY 150/600Hz ASCII-7 none 1
[11:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> pd3t: MAX is 434.423MHz for 1500 center 50bd 7n1 at 270Hz shift
[11:00] <pd3t> indeed
[11:00] <Northants> G4FUI I'm hearing PI_CE1 on .349
[11:00] <Upu> you got it mikestir_M0MKS
[11:01] <mikestir_M0MKS> yeah for a while
[11:01] <mikestir_M0MKS> just missing the odd line due to qrm
[11:01] <Upu> its got FEC on it
[11:01] <mikestir_M0MKS> bad qrm!
[11:01] <Ron_G8FJG> XO good sig but v deep qsb difficult to decode here
[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its very weak with me at present
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[11:03] <chimpusmaximus_> ok flight shoudl be PI_CE2 and payload PI_CE1.
[11:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Upu: What is SPAVA's expected max alt.?
[11:04] <Northants> How long does a full SSTV picture take ? Hearing PI_CE1 fine over this way
[11:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> Northants: 10-15mins at a guess
[11:05] <Upu> no idea Steve
[11:05] <Northants> Word! a while then ;-) but this is my first RX of such things so I'm pleased
[11:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Upu: Is it a latex?
[11:05] <Upu> 17.2g payload under Qualatex so .... 8km ?
[11:05] <Upu> maybe a little less
[11:05] <Upu> been a while since I've done this
[11:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just wondering if it'll get high enough for me to track :-)
[11:06] Nick change: number10 -> number10_M0MDB
[11:06] <Upu> looks like its going straight to the Netherlands
[11:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> pd3t: Be ready for SPAVA
[11:06] <joeman2> Hi Jellow
[11:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> Northants: Glad you're having success :-)
[11:07] <PE2G> MAX rx at -0.5 deg 398 km
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[11:07] <number10_M0MDB> whats the orange blob on pi-ce1?
[11:07] <Northants> <Steve_G0TDJ> Just sent you a Tweet ;-)
[11:08] <pd3t> Steve_G0TDJ: freq and settings
[11:08] <chimpusmaximus_> Just had all flight docs approved, not sure why not seeing on tracker
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[11:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Upu: Can you let pd3t have SPAVAs details please?
[11:09] <Upu> sure THOR16 434.446Mhz
[11:09] <Upu> !dial SPAVA
[11:09] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Payload 03SPAVA 10(d63f) 03$$SPAVA - 03PAVA THOR 16  - 03434.446 MHz USB 03DominoEX with speed 0316
[11:09] <Upu> ignore domino
[11:11] <mikestir_M0MKS> is this one of your little si4060 boards?
[11:11] <Upu> yeah
[11:11] <Upu> however just noticed its TXing temperature
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[11:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> Does that command work for inactive payloads too or just current flights?
[11:12] <Upu> which I recall isn't stable code
[11:12] <Upu> so it may just freeze up
[11:12] <number10_M0MDB> is the freeze up related to temperature ;)
[11:12] <Upu> heh my code :)
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[11:12] <Upu> oh well we can see
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[11:16] <JP_> !flight MAX
[11:16] <SpacenearUS> 03JP_: Flight 10(00b8): 03MAXMED01 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 09:00 from 03Cambridgeshire, UK 10(52.2511,-0.0927)
[11:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Is there a help page for these '!' commands anywhere?
[11:16] <JP_> !payload MAXMED01
[11:16] <SpacenearUS> 03JP_: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:17] <JP_> !payload 00b8
[11:17] <SpacenearUS> 03JP_: Payload 03MaxMed02 10(00b8) 03$$MAX - 03434.421 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/450Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[11:19] <amell_> Pi_ce flight doc not fixed yet?
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI_CE1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=PI_CE1
[11:19] <amell_> Thank goodness
[11:20] <amell_> Wind seems to be faster than I expected
[11:21] <kpiman> SPAVA coming my way, nice to have a local launch.
[11:22] <Upu> you were on that quick
[11:22] <Upu> Get your binoculars out
[11:22] <Upu> see if you can see it
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[11:25] <Martin_G4FUI> I have a ridiculous situation here, all these balloons being received, but no idea what the relevant parameters are vs frequencies for any of them - where is this information available in a collated format?
[11:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's not Martin_G4FUI
[11:26] <Upu> it does get complex
[11:26] <Upu> so
[11:26] <Upu> !flights
[11:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Current flights: 03BST-1 10(67ee), 03MAXMED01 10(00b8), 03XABEN80 10(b69f), 03PI_CE2 10(6707), 03OOOLOOKITSNICEOUTSIDE 10(d63f), 03VX-20 434.200/144.250 MHz 10(5d26), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[11:26] <Upu> thats whats currently in the air
[11:26] <Upu> in theory
[11:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> Like I said earlier, there needs to be some sort of convention
[11:26] <Upu> this can happen on nice weekends
[11:27] <Upu> and sorry to confuse matters with my silly projectname :)
[11:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> The flight docs contain all the relevant info. Can't someone write a simple webage that extracts the relevant info and tabulates it?
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[11:29] <amell_> Has max not burst yet?
[11:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> amell_: No, climbing
[11:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03pi__chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=pi__chase
[11:30] <Martin_G4FUI> Well I finally I'm getting greens from MAX on 434.25 50 baud 7N1 ,,, :\
[11:31] <amell_> Worrying. Close to coast
[11:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> Martin_G4FUI: It's a tough one, I keep dropping packets
[11:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> sentences even
[11:32] <Martin_G4FUI> But my Northern affiliations suggest I should be supporting SPAVA!
[11:32] <deebs67> !flight X0
[11:32] <SpacenearUS> 03deebs67: Flight 10(b69f): 03XABEN80 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 10:00 from 03Cambridgeshire, UK 10(52.2511,-0.0927)
[11:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> !dial X0
[11:33] <SpacenearUS> 03Steve_G0TDJ: Payload 03X0 10(b69f) 03$$X0 - 03434.363 MHz USB 03RTTY 150/600Hz ASCII-7 none 1
[11:33] <jarod> nothing on 434.475 right?
[11:34] <Martin_G4FUI> However MAX at 380km is pretty decent DX! :)
[11:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> Considering it's 10mw Tx Martin_G4FUI
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[11:35] <Martin_G4FUI> ... and received on a 6dB colinear, Steve_G0TDJ !
[11:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-)
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[11:37] <MLow> i wish i had more time to make antennas, and i wish the HOA let me put them on my property too :(
[11:37] <daveake> ssdv getting some black sky now
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[11:40] <pd3t> !dial pi_CE1
[11:40] <SpacenearUS> 03pd3t: Payload 03PI_CE1 10(6707) 03$$PI_CE1 - 03PIE with sensors 300 baud - 03434.35 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/900Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[11:41] <jarod> which was on 434.422 again?
[11:41] <Maxell> MAX
[11:41] <jarod> the browser settings wrong AGAIN?
[11:41] <Maxell> $$MAX - 434.421 MHz USB RTTY 50/450Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[11:42] <jarod> 450 way too wide
[11:43] <jarod> payload max02 it says
[11:44] <fsphil> what frequency for the ssdv?
[11:44] <fsphil> oh it's there
[11:44] <fsphil> 434.35
[11:45] <jarod> tu tu tu ... burst = ssdv?
[11:46] <Neil_M0CJM> Utter rubbish being received here with the auto settings
[11:46] <jarod> yeah
[11:46] <jarod> how hard can it be one would think :P
[11:47] <Neil_M0CJM> Jarod, you geting rubbish to?
[11:47] <jarod> its too wide
[11:47] <jarod> max
[11:48] <Neil_M0CJM> I set it to 300
[11:48] <chimpusmaximus> ssdv on pi_ce1 is 434.35MHz USB RTTY 300 baud 900Hz shift ASCII-8 no parity 2 stop bits
[11:48] <jarod> yeah 300
[11:48] <Martin_G4FUI> Just spotted that my rx filter bandwidth was much too narrow for SSDV, made it 800Hz and receiving SSDV packets now! :)
[11:49] <jarod> Martin_G4FUI can you explain how that is done?
[11:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> Neil_M0CJM: Are you trying for MAX?
[11:50] <Martin_G4FUI> fl-digi / Op Mode / RTTY / Custom / bottom slider
[11:51] <daveake> or set the filter width to auto
[11:51] <jarod> ah visible in fldigi?
[11:51] <Neil_M0CJM> Hi Steve, yeah I am trying for max
[11:51] <fsphil> no signal here yet
[11:51] <jarod> max 300 hz good? or 290 ?
[11:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> Neil_M0CJM: The auto settings are completely incorrect, it should be 50bd 7n1 (not 8n2) and 270Hz shift
[11:51] <jarod> ah 7n1 :/
[11:52] <jarod> Steve_G0TDJ thanks: working now
[11:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> np
[11:52] <jarod> F$$MAX| my first sign of life :)
[11:53] <Neil_M0CJM> tHANKS sTEVE, HOW COULD THE SETTINGS BE SO WRONG?
[11:53] <Neil_M0CJM> opps sorry for caps
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[11:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> They must have been set incorrectly inthe flight docs
[11:53] <jarod> they are 9/10 incorrect :P
[11:54] <jarod> how hard would it be to add some moderators here who can update the info on the fly?
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[11:57] <Lunar_Lander> back
[11:58] <Martin_G4FUI> I have no idea at what point my bandwidth settings got "un-auto" -ed, but there are a lot of potential variables to tweak!
[11:58] <jarod> un-auto = default
[12:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> MAX has got a very strange decent curve. Looks like it almost stops and then drops again
[12:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Coming down in swoops
[12:01] <Martin_G4FUI> Ah! That makes me feel a litte less stupid, jarod (however I often console myself with the thought that if I had a brain I would be more of a danger to society!)
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[12:03] <fsphil> seeing a signal now
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[12:08] <PA3WEG> hi all
[12:08] <jarod> $$MAX,790,12:07:59,52.148350, 1.505837,635,5,685, 1*9738
[12:08] <jarod> not green
[12:08] <jarod> and first green ;)
[12:08] <PA3WEG> can someone please tell me the frequencies of MAX and PI_CE1 ?
[12:08] <chimpusmaximus_> 434.35MHz USB RTTY 300 baud 900Hz shift ASCII-8 no parity 2 stop bits
[12:08] <chimpusmaximus_> Pi_CE1
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[12:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> PA3WEG: MAX on 434.423.22 but on it's way down. Don't know the other oe
[12:09] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/434.422mhz-2014-09-07-max.jpg o/
[12:09] <MaXimaN> Cannot lock onto Upu's signal at all
[12:09] <jarod> max: 50bd 7n1 (not 8n2) and 270Hz shift
[12:10] <fsphil> the pi one is still going up
[12:10] <jarod> max already falling down to earth?
[12:10] <amell_> Do we have some danger of swimming payloads?
[12:10] <amell_> Worried about max payload going in sea
[12:11] <MaXimaN> jarod: Thanks
[12:12] <chimpusmaximus_> We gone bang i think
[12:12] <Herman-PB0AHX> He Wouter good day
[12:13] <PE2BZ> !payload spava
[12:13] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03SPAVA 10(d63f) 03$$SPAVA - 03PAVA THOR 16  - 03434.446 MHz USB 03DominoEX with speed 0316
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[12:14] <PA3WEG> Hi Herman
[12:14] <PA3WEG> I´m back from hols
[12:14] <PA3WEG> PI_CE1 looks jibberish here
[12:15] <PA3WEG> just booted the HAB PC, checking the settings now
[12:15] <Herman-PB0AHX> i can not listening now on 2 frequenties so i stay on MAX
[12:15] <Herman-PB0AHX> but i can see the pictures
[12:16] <Herman-PB0AHX> wuppy in space very nice
[12:17] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/434.422mhz-2014-09-07-max-sdrsharp-special-zoom.jpg
[12:17] <jarod> -65 in the main spectrum, the airspy will do -110 ish :)
[12:18] <jarod> not visible in waterfall, still decoding :D
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[12:18] <fsphil> aww it burst
[12:18] <MaXimaN> PI_CE1 too weak for me
[12:19] <MaXimaN> MAX fades in and out but can be decoded
[12:19] <MaXimaN> Nothing on SPAVA
[12:19] <PA3WEG> no MAX here from home QTH, PI_CE1 just jibberish
[12:19] <PA3WEG> or is there some problem with the flight docs that prevents decoding?
[12:20] <PA3WEG> he work array is busy tracking satellites :(
[12:20] <PA3WEG> *the
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[12:22] <pc1pcl> MAX is now too low to even get reds for me.
[12:23] <bertrik> -0.1 deg elevation and still pretty strong here (the hague, netherlands)
[12:24] <bertrik> like 16 dB according to dl-fldigi
[12:25] <bertrik> dropping quickly now
[12:25] <jarod> out of range here
[12:25] <Herman-PB0AHX> red lines now from MAX
[12:26] <Maxell> hehe "The LoRa modulation is adopted by the Semtech. They have released the LoRa RF chip named SX1276.
[12:26] <Maxell> If anyone need turnkey solution, pls try this link for enquiry"
[12:26] <Neil_M0CJM> Lost MAX here to.
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[12:26] <Herman-PB0AHX> Team MAX mni tnx from me was a long time i writing a ballon
[12:29] <Herman-PB0AHX> who is on 350 ??
[12:29] <bertrik> no trace of MAX here anymore
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[12:29] <Herman-PB0AHX> here also max down in noice
[12:30] <Herman-PB0AHX> i hrd a signaal on 434.350 ??
[12:30] <Brian-G0HDI> PI_CE1
[12:30] <pc1pcl> !dial pi_CE1
[12:30] <SpacenearUS> 03pc1pcl: Payload 03PI_CE1 10(6707) 03$$PI_CE1 - 03PIE with sensors 300 baud - 03434.35 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/900Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[12:31] <number10_M0MDB> altitude stuck on max again at 817
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[12:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes green from pc1
[12:32] <MLow> max fell kinda slow did it not?
[12:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> PI_CE1
[12:33] <pc1pcl> !dial X0
[12:33] <SpacenearUS> 03pc1pcl: Payload 03X0 10(b69f) 03$$X0 - 03434.363 MHz USB 03RTTY 150/600Hz ASCII-7 none 1
[12:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> Decoded image packet. Callsign: PI-CE1, Image ID: 0C, Resolution: 640x480, Packet ID: 15
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[12:35] <maxmed> Looks like my payload has ended up in the sea :( not much I can do now I guess
[12:36] <MLow> i wondery why it did that
[12:36] <MaXimaN> :(
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[12:36] <amell_> jarod: You have an airspy???
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[12:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> maxmed: thats bad
[12:38] <MLow> PI_CE1 has big gap in gps data?
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[12:39] <chimpusmaximus> flight doc issues
[12:39] <chimpusmaximus> Its logging local so will still have
[12:40] <MLow> wow XO is going high
[12:41] <pc1pcl> might have jinxed it..
[12:41] <MLow> wow i think i did ;(
[12:41] <Darkside> 32km is considered high?
[12:41] <MLow> higher than any i've done
[12:41] <Darkside> are we that accustomed to floaters and picos that we think 32km is high again?
[12:42] <Darkside> i remember teh glory days of th >40km alt flights
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[12:42] <whiteg6> !flights
[12:42] <SpacenearUS> 03whiteg6: Current flights: 03BST-1 10(67ee), 03MAXMED01 10(00b8), 03XABEN80 10(b69f), 03PI_CE2 10(6707), 03OOOLOOKITSNICEOUTSIDE 10(d63f), 03VX-20 434.200/144.250 MHz 10(5d26), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
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[12:43] <Rebounder> MAX became a float? ;)
[12:45] <PA3WEG> I see some new dutch callsigns decoding data, good news
[12:46] <bertrik> PA3WEG: but almost all of them within 25km of each other :)
[12:46] <DutchMillbt> Hi What's the mode @434,447? contesta / dominoEX?
[12:46] <Upu> THOR16
[12:46] <DutchMillbt> oke thankz UPU
[12:47] <Upu> nps thx for tracking it
[12:47] <Martin_G4FUI> It's hard keeping track of all this, plus the cricket, plus the F1! :)
[12:47] <DutchMillbt> lock on ;-)
[12:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> yessss green from spava
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[12:48] <PA3WEG> bertrik: yes, true
[12:48] <DutchMillbt> ..and the nice garden weather Martin...
[12:48] <bertrik> Herman-PB0AHX: what frequency? I think I saw something at 434.365
[12:48] <Herman-PB0AHX> 434.447
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[12:48] <Martin_G4FUI> Oh yes, and trees needing to be trimmed before the winter, bertrik ¬
[12:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> bertrik: 434.447
[12:49] <MaXimaN> Yay picking up SPAVA now
[12:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> in thoir 16
[12:49] <Brian-G0HDI> SPAVA Green
[12:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> -i
[12:50] <PA3WEG> bertrik: most of them came online after I mentioned HABbing in the dutch VERON magazine Electron, and a lot of the ¨locals¨ are friends ;)
[12:50] <PA3WEG> DutchMillbt has been there before me, but I do not recall any others in the area when Tim Zaman started launching his baloons
[12:51] <PA3WEG> oh, costyn, lets not forget costyn ;)
[12:52] <bertrik> PA3WEG: there are a couple of new dutch HABers too now, like ALMA about 3 weeks ago
[12:52] <Herman-PB0AHX> Wouter it's your fault that I follow balloons fun
[12:53] <PA3WEG> I recall someone made a plot with listeners over time, and you can see the towers popping up after the article ;) that was very nice to see. Unfortunately, I myself have no access to the Yagi´s any more due to active satellites (not a bad thing off course)
[12:53] <PA3WEG> Herman-PB0AHX: Guilty ;)
[12:53] <Herman-PB0AHX> i know
[12:53] <Herman-PB0AHX> :)
[12:53] <MLow> looks like pi_ce1 might have landed in a nice open field? :)
[12:54] <PA3WEG> I wish the ALMA guys would have contacted the community earlier though
[12:54] <PA3WEG> I might put back the WebSDR soon, after some years of inactivity
[12:55] <bertrik> oh, I think they announced it a couple of weeks in advance on the ukhas mailing list, not soon enough?
[12:55] <Herman-PB0AHX> if u need someting wouter let me now
[12:55] <chimpusmaximus> Found.next to path drove right up to it
[12:55] <PA3WEG> I am thinking of a fixed yagi towards the UK for HAB signals, but my main enemy is time. And I do actually want to make sure no disasters happen again....
[12:56] <Maxell> ISS also incoming wihtin 14 minutes
[12:56] <MLow> awesome chimpusmaximus
[12:56] <Maxell> Going to decode a few APRS packets :)
[12:56] <PA3WEG> I heard the SSTV is OFF at the moment, but no harm in trying that
[12:56] <MLow> oh my, it's moving on its own across LAND :P
[12:56] <PA3WEG> :D
[12:56] <PA3WEG> chimpusmaximus: congrats
[12:57] <MaXimaN> SPAVA 215km, 1.0 elev
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[12:57] <PA3WEG> bertrik: I think they postponed the launch for weather to another date, and announced that date a couple of hours before the event
[12:58] <MLow> i wonder how many times/hours a rPi can be used up there in that exposure before something fails
[12:58] <PA3WEG> that was during lighthouse weekend, so I did not bring any HAB kit. Had I known they would launch, I would have
[12:58] <SA6BSS> made a prediction on PAVA http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=92695ef7a328d631b6991a6e1ed09a908b9ef975 nice loops :)
[12:58] <Maxell> PA3WEG: yep same
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[12:59] <Maxell> they decided to launch the day before
[12:59] <PA3WEG> I am on the daily digest
[12:59] <PA3WEG> so usually I read the announcement after the event
[12:59] <mikestir_M0MKS> I'm losing spava to the pennines I think
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[13:00] <Maxell> grmbl
[13:00] <PA3WEG> Maxell: seen the pics I put up at my website?
[13:00] <Maxell> 434.446 MHz SPAVA right in the qrm
[13:00] <Maxell> PA3WEG: does 70cm ism allow wide fm? http://i.sigio.nl/bb86b819cc72ae117c283bd0aa10cb18.png
[13:01] <Maxell> PA3WEG: "draadlozehobby.jpg" etc? :P
[13:01] <Maxell> I saw those
[13:02] <Maxell> oh http://www.pa3weg.nl/photos/PA25SCH2014/
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[13:03] <PA3WEG> Maxell: yes, that one
[13:03] <PA3WEG> and the draadlozehobby indeed on the news site
[13:04] <PA3WEG> wirelesshobby.jpg for the english speaking world
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[13:05] <MaXimaN> SPAVA coming through loud and clear now
[13:05] <bertrik> MaXimaN: how often does it transmit?
[13:05] <Maxell> :P
[13:05] <chimpusmaximus-m> Cheers for all the help and tracking on pi_ce1.. Very easy recovery right by track.
[13:05] <PA3WEG> bertrik: all the time if you ask me...
[13:05] <Maxell> ISS in 5 mins
[13:05] <chimpusmaximus-m> Looks like most the balloon. Came down with it
[13:06] <MaXimaN> bertrik: It's continuous, one cycle every 30 seconds or so
[13:06] <bertrik> hm, ok, not seeing anything here at 434.447 :|
[13:06] <MaXimaN> I'm tuned to 434.448, 1khz bandwidth
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[13:07] <MaXimaN> Upu: How many solar cells do you ahve hooked up? 3?
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[13:07] <MLow> chimpusmaximus-m: parachute?
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[13:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> ISS Footprint just crossed over Ireland
[13:10] <PA3WEG> Again jibberish...starting to doubt if I F*d up some setting somewhere
[13:10] <PA3WEG> using autoconfigure....
[13:10] <chimpusmaximus-m> Steve lent us a bigger one.. Thank god as it still came down fast
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[13:11] <bertrik> yay, finally seeing SPAVA signal
[13:12] <MLow> hm, it came down pretty fast i guess for having most of the balloon and a parachute lol
[13:12] <Herman-PB0AHX> spave very good here last minutes
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[13:14] <Maxell> PA3WEG: PA3WEG-7>U2PTX8,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2:'z1"<0x1c> <0x1c>[/>www.pa3weg.nl=<0x0d> :P
[13:15] <Maxell> PA3WEG: now also hearing ISS shoot one again
[13:16] <PE2G> bertrik: On what qrg do you have SPAVA?
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[13:16] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: spava on 434.447
[13:17] <Herman-PB0AHX> thor 16
[13:17] <PE2G> Tnx Herman-PB0AHX
[13:18] <Maxell> PA3WEG: nope ISS audiable S1 no decodes :P
[13:19] <PA3WEG> Maxell: same here, did not decode my own packets back from ISS
[13:19] <PA3WEG> did decode some others
[13:19] <PA3WEG> german and Ireland
[13:20] <Maxell> hmm nice
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[13:22] <Maxell> PA3WEG: I still wonder if wide fm is legal in the 70cm band http://i.sigio.nl/bb86b819cc72ae117c283bd0aa10cb18.png
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[13:26] <MLow> um XO? touchdown?
[13:29] <pd3t> spava is Doing ko
[13:31] <bertrik> SPAVA is very clear now, finally getting greens
[13:32] <PA3WEG> Maxell: is that WFM amateur or ISM?
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[13:33] <PA3WEG> WFM is sure possible with an amateur license. What do you hear if you demod? Does look like speech, not data
[13:33] <bertrik> broadcast FM as I understood
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[13:34] <PA3WEG> as long as its not music but really amateurs talking using broadcast FM, its perfectly fine in licensing. They do have to transmit their callsigns in a recognised format though
[13:34] <g1clt> what freq can i hear spava ballon on
[13:34] <PA3WEG> !dial SPAVA
[13:34] <SpacenearUS> 03PA3WEG: Payload 03SPAVA 10(d63f) 03$$SPAVA - 03PAVA THOR 16  - 03434.446 MHz USB 03DominoEX with speed 0316
[13:34] <Maxell> PA3WEG: it's wide fm audio. First radio 2 now skyradio
[13:35] <Maxell> also narrow fm on 434.095 same audio
[13:35] <g1clt> thank you
[13:35] <PA3WEG> I will have a listen here...to check if its intermod near you. But if its also NBFM, I doubt it
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[13:36] <Maxell> PA3WEG: no intermod. yaesu also hears it
[13:36] <Maxell> And sometimes its not there :P
[13:38] <maxmed> I've contacted coastguard, they are going to send out a message to all boats in the area asking them to keep an eye out for it and fish it out and get in contact if they spot it :)
[13:39] <g1clt> cant hear it up here in middlesbrough
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[13:42] <Maxell> PA3WEG: would be rather unfortunate if some amateur would do digi-mode experimenting near that wide fm signal...
[13:42] <PA3WEG> Maxell: it just went off here (NBFM that is)
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[13:42] <Maxell> PA3WEG: you also had narrow fm on 434.095?
[13:42] <PA3WEG> getting dongle fixed up now, I have just returned from holidays
[13:43] <PA3WEG> there is still another possibility for the WBFM, wireless headphones
[13:43] <PA3WEG> that explains the change in channel content as someone re-tunes the radio
[13:44] <PA3WEG> if it happens often, I have a software defined WBFM transmitter. just broadcast a message to contact you when they hear it ;)
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[13:44] <RocketBoy> XABEN80 recovered
[13:45] <RocketBoy> somones back garden - fortunatly the house was empty (being renovated)
[13:46] <Maxell> PA3WEG: haha ye[
[13:46] <Maxell> PA3WEG: well I think it's on air almost evey every day
[13:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> spava is getting harder and harder here
[13:48] <Herman-PB0AHX> i using now the icom910 and a x5000 antenne
[13:48] <PA3WEG> harder == louder ;)
[13:48] <Maxell> :P
[13:48] <PA3WEG> digital stuff on air next to SPAVA
[13:48] <Maxell> PA3WEG: 434.450 MHz ?
[13:48] <Herman-PB0AHX> tnx wouter some words i can not translate
[13:48] <PA3WEG> Herman-PB0AHX: No problem
[13:49] <DutchMillbt> Hi Wouter welcome back
[13:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> 434.447
[13:49] <MaXimaN> Getting some reds on SPAVA too
[13:49] <PA3WEG> I think in general we get it ;)
[13:49] <MaXimaN> It's just above the noise for me now
[13:49] <PA3WEG> and I finally got it decoding
[13:49] <PA3WEG> completely deleted all settings files for DL-FLDigi and set up manually
[13:50] <PA3WEG> I fell for the DOMEX16 bug again as well, now THOR
[13:50] <Maxell> 434.447 MHz USB S6 noise
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[13:53] <PE2BZ> !payload spava
[13:53] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03SPAVA 10(d63f) 03$$SPAVA - 03PAVA THOR 16  - 03434.446 MHz USB 03DominoEX with speed 0316
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[14:05] <Maxell> "$$SPAVA,614,14:0nSt"
[14:05] <Maxell> Thats it.
[14:06] <Herman-PB0AHX> u are close Maxell
[14:06] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: wireless headphones make me sad
[14:06] <Herman-PB0AHX> mkmmmmmm ok
[14:08] <Herman-PB0AHX> spava is now 206 km from me
[14:09] <PE2G> QRM here too, but fortunately it's intermittent: http://s12.postimg.org/6vlzve1h9/Screen_07_09_14_15_55_12.png
[14:10] <Maxell> Greens here too.
[14:10] <Maxell> Unbelivable.
[14:11] <Maxell> And the 433,92 MHz one jamming wireless car keys is still on air too
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[14:13] <Herman-PB0AHX> congrats Maxell
[14:14] <amell> i see spava but cant decode, is it domino or thor?
[14:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Thor
[14:15] <amell> $SPAVctax4,14:15:25,53.21753,2.21fo?7o7655,10,4122,1363,18,00*E9DD
[14:17] <Maxell> amell: almost there too
[14:18] <amell> fook me. green at 191.8km
[14:18] <amell> and thats through heavy noise
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[14:20] <Maxell> Strong QRM here too. http://i.sigio.nl/ae01fc561de2b290702705af82f9b167.png
[14:23] <Herman-PB0AHX> http://i.sigio.nl/1e384cd899f076532a67bb6420c10172.jpg
[14:23] <N2NXZ> N2NXZ-7 had a low altitude start,but the tracker is due to start running in 7.5 hours and will continue for 20 more.
[14:23] <N2NXZ> If by miracle it survived the firs evening
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[14:24] <N2NXZ> Just an FYI for anyone in an area where it "may" be.
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[14:28] <lz1dev> !hysplit n2nxz-7
[14:28] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: HYSPLIT for 03N2NXZ-7 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/140907-10_16584_N2NXZ7.gif
[14:28] <lz1dev> if its alive its probably in the middle of the ocean
[14:29] <lz1dev> and seem to be going towards northwest africa
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bw79nnBCUAEcUgF.jpg:large - wow
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> long exposure of GTO burn for SpaceX's latest launch
[14:35] <Herman-PB0AHX> wow
[14:35] <Upu> !hysplit spava
[14:35] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[14:36] <Upu> lz1dev we need a !whatsintheair
[14:37] <Upu> that lists stuff thats uploaded in the last 15 mins
[14:37] <Herman-PB0AHX> spava now here 59+ distance 172 km
[14:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> Upu: Is lz1dev responsible for the '!' commands?
[14:37] <Upu> yep
[14:37] <Upu> well the spacenearus bot ones
[14:38] <lz1dev> !deny everything
[14:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool, I have a few ideas
[14:38] <lz1dev> !request layer
[14:38] <lz1dev> erm
[14:38] <lz1dev> !request lawyer
[14:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> !request a list of available commands
[14:38] <lz1dev> !wiki irc bot
[14:38] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Wiki page 03spacenearus_irc_bot - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
[14:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> Thank you!
[14:39] <Upu> Steve_G0TDJ
[14:39] <Upu> [12:05] <Upu> 17.2g payload under Qualatex so .... 8km ?
[14:39] <Upu> [12:05] <Upu> maybe a little less
[14:39] <Upu> 7.7km :)
[14:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good guess ;-)
[14:40] <Upu> !hysplit run SPAVA
[14:40] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: You job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
[14:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> !payload JOTA2
[14:40] <SpacenearUS> 03Steve_G0TDJ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[14:41] <Upu> !hysplit spava
[14:41] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: HYSPLIT for 03SPAVA - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/140907-14_113807_SPAVA.gif
[14:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> Right, so it's valid flight docs, as in not config docs
[14:41] <Upu> ewwwww
[14:41] <Upu> thats going to be about for a while
[14:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cripes
[14:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> But it is Solar right?
[14:42] <Upu> yep
[14:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> No prob,em then is it?
[14:42] <Upu> test 1 : do the cells provide enough to power the tracker and charge the battery : sucess
[14:42] <Upu> test 2 : will it run over night on the charged battery : tbc
[14:43] <Upu> I just mailed Brian
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[14:45] <lz1dev> nice circles :D
[14:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> !ping JOTA2
[14:45] <SpacenearUS> 03Steve_G0TDJ: No contact from 03JOTA2
[14:45] <Upu> should give everyone a chance to RX if the power arrangement works :)
[14:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> lz1dev: How come JOTA2 doesn't have a contact. I tested it in the map yesterday
[14:46] <Upu> I deleted it from the map
[14:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ah right
[14:46] <lz1dev> ^
[14:46] <lz1dev> the doc info command are only for approve flight that are currently happening
[14:46] <N2NXZ> <lz1dev>Thanks for info,I would hate to give up on it,but should by some miracle it did survive,tracking is still coming ON in another 7.5 hours.Just an FYI
[14:46] <lz1dev> !flights
[14:46] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Current flights: 03BST-1 10(67ee), 03MAXMED01 10(00b8), 03XABEN80 10(b69f), 03PI_CE2 10(6707), 03OOOLOOKITSNICEOUTSIDE 10(d63f), 03VX-20 434.200/144.250 MHz 10(5d26), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[14:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK No probs
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[14:47] <lz1dev> all those are currently active flights
[14:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> So if it's not on that list, no info
[14:47] <lz1dev> nope
[14:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK Cool
[14:47] <Upu> hey Jim
[14:47] <lz1dev> !id jota2
[14:47] <Upu> very slow ascent ?
[14:47] Nick change: SP9UOB-Tom -> verox
[14:48] <lz1dev> Steve_G0TDJ: you can look up in unapproved flight docs with !id
[14:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK But you didn't get a reply for jota2
[14:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> !id JOTA2
[14:48] <lz1dev> is there a doc for jota2?
[14:48] <lz1dev> a flight one?
[14:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> There's a config, not a flight doc
[14:49] <lz1dev> needs to have a flight doc
[14:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK - There will be in the near future
[14:49] <Maxell> !payload SPAVA
[14:49] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03SPAVA 10(d63f) 03$$SPAVA - 03PAVA THOR 16  - 03434.446 MHz USB 03DominoEX with speed 0316
[14:49] <lz1dev> but if you know the exact doc id of the payload config you can use it in !id
[14:49] <Upu> its THOR
[14:49] <lz1dev> and it will show info
[14:49] <Upu> not Domino
[14:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh right
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[14:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> !id 7c3034008a6a1ce896b470c01595d13b
[14:51] <SpacenearUS> Payload config 03JOTA2 10(7c3034008a6a1ce896b470c01595d13b) - 12http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/7c3034008a6a1ce896b470c01595d13b
[14:51] <SpacenearUS> Callsign(s): 03JOTA2
[14:51] <SpacenearUS> Transmission #0: 03Normal Mode - 03434.5 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/450Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[14:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> Neat
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[14:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> lz1dev: Upu Thanks for your help. I understand it a lot better now
[14:53] <simium> joeman2: nope, at first there was this MPL3115A2 sensor but I had to remove it because I wasn't sure there would be enough battery duration for the GPs
[14:54] <simium> in the begining of the project my payload was just a ssdv thing, then it had to become a gps tracker 5 days from the launch
[14:56] <N2NXZ> <Upu> very slow ascent ? Yes,it was a slow ascent,but does it not rise should it have made daylight?
[14:56] <Upu> in theory
[14:57] <Upu> but it only got to 5km
[14:57] <Upu> did it start to come down again ?
[14:57] <N2NXZ> I know,you were right in the beginning,but I was tired of losing these balloons and had to make the effort
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[14:57] <jarod> $$SPAVA o/
[14:57] <Upu> says hi back jarod :)
[14:58] <jarod> thor 16
[14:58] <jarod> easy config
[14:58] <jarod> i like
[14:58] <Upu> hey you got someone else tracking N2NXZ
[14:58] <Upu> THOR16 + TCXO =ezmode
[14:58] <N2NXZ> It did drop some,but I was thinking it was over the lake and once over land,maybe temps had something to do with it?
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[14:58] <Upu> possibly a leak
[14:58] <Upu> it would come down at night
[14:58] <Upu> but from 36km down to 27km or so
[14:59] <Upu> if it only got to 5km
[14:59] <Upu> it could have actually come down
[14:59] <N2NXZ> It may have
[14:59] <Upu> in which case yes it may rise at sun rise IF its not in a tree or something
[15:00] <fox123> abc
[15:00] <N2NXZ> Hoping for miracle,but where it could be now is anyones guess if it did stay afloat
[15:00] <Upu> test ok fox123
[15:00] <Upu> -0.3 elevation and 350km from launch site
[15:00] <Upu> still decoding fine
[15:00] <jarod> Upu: http://x264.nl/dump/434.446mhz-2014-09-07-spava.jpg
[15:01] <Upu> nice and strong
[15:01] <Upu> you can auto config
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[15:01] <jarod> rtlsdr still warming up, so drifting
[15:01] <jarod> auto config?
[15:01] <Upu> (OOLOOKITSASUNNYDAY)
[15:01] <Upu> then switch to THOR
[15:01] <Upu> and you get the distance and bearing
[15:01] <Upu> sorry OOLOOKITSNICEOUTSIDE
[15:01] <Upu> is the flight name
[15:02] <N2NXZ> Is there a chance it may get near Azores (if it survived)? Hysplit shows a possibility
[15:02] <Upu> I should think this through more
[15:02] <jarod> this 16?
[15:02] <jarod> thor 16?
[15:02] <Upu> wasn't high enough jim
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[15:02] <N2NXZ> Ok,too bad
[15:02] <Upu> yes THOR16 but current autoconfig doens't know about THOR so it defaults to domino so autoconfig
[15:02] <jarod> yeah
[15:02] <Upu> then manually switch to THOR16
[15:02] <jarod> roger
[15:03] <jarod> is it drifting a lot or my rtlsdr still warming up?
[15:03] <PA0RPA> On what frequency is SPAVA working ?
[15:03] <Upu> 434.446
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[15:03] <Upu> its rock solid jarod
[15:03] <jarod> rtlsdr then
[15:03] <Upu> not moved since I launched by more than 200Hz
[15:03] <Upu> you need to do the TCXO mod
[15:03] <PA0RPA> Thanks receive it in Holland ( Bergen op Zoom )
[15:03] <jarod> what is TCXO mode?
[15:04] <jarod> Upu: refresh: http://x264.nl/dump/434.446mhz-2014-09-07-spava.jpg
[15:04] <Upu> much better
[15:04] <Upu> you retrofit a TCXO to the RTL dongles
[15:04] <jarod> ah
[15:04] <jarod> lol
[15:04] <jarod> nah will have an airspy soon
[15:04] <Upu> the standard crystal is a drift piece of poop
[15:04] <jarod> and waiting 5 minutes and its stable
[15:04] <Ron_G8FJG> wish I lived on a hill, not on the mud flats .. going to lose WHATSITSNAME at about 300 km
[15:05] <Upu> going to get one of my ADS preamps to go with it ? :)
[15:05] <jarod> link? :P (and it has an lna)
[15:05] <jarod> my rtlsdr is now stable...
[15:05] <Upu> http://uk.flightaware.com/user/markthirkettle/adsb#1972
[15:05] <Upu> spot where he inserted the amp
[15:05] <Upu> LNA + 1090Mhz SAW
[15:06] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/434.446mhz-2014-09-07-spava.jpg refresh once again
[15:06] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=72_73&product_id=85
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[15:08] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/434.446mhz-2014-09-07-spava-sdrsharp.jpg
[15:08] <Upu> wow thats impressively low signal
[15:08] <jarod> discone :)
[15:08] <Upu> ah :/
[15:09] <Upu> still it works
[15:09] <jarod> but still... yup :D
[15:09] <Upu> what call sign do you upload as ?
[15:09] <jarod> in a few months... ill have the best receiver ever build, ima need a proper antenna then
[15:09] <jarod> i am the closest to the balloon now lol
[15:10] <Upu> PA0RPA thanks for taking the time to recieve it
[15:11] <jarod> found me yet?
[15:11] <Upu> yeah I see you
[15:12] <jarod> its weird though
[15:12] <jarod> i can receive signals from germany on 465 mhz easy
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[15:12] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/465.350mhz-2014-09-07-voice-german.jpg
[15:12] <jarod> maybe a dip in reception around 434
[15:13] <jarod> that said, the dvb-t antenna receives about the same
[15:14] <jarod> the balloon is going into F16 test area now :P
[15:14] <Upu> give them something to shoot at
[15:14] <jarod> :D
[15:15] <jarod> Upu: http://x264.nl/dump/fr24-receiver-range-273.43nm-2014-08-01-record.png
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[15:15] <jarod> adsb not needed :)
[15:16] <Upu> what did that come from ?
[15:16] <jarod> filename says it
[15:16] <Upu> FR24 ?
[15:17] <jarod> yop
[15:17] <Upu> oh flight radare
[15:17] <Maxell> flightradar
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[15:17] <jarod> http://www.flightradar24.com/53.06,4.94/8 using this to check if your balloon will stay clear
[15:18] <Upu> its lower than most of the traffic in that area
[15:18] <jarod> some smaller private played go at FL60/70
[15:19] <jarod> but not there, more to the south
[15:19] <jarod> http://www.flightradar24.com/DEWWW/444f7e7 small example
[15:20] <Upu> yeah it will be fine I'm sure
[15:21] <Upu> beginning to fade at the launch site
[15:21] <Upu> 380km @ -0.6'
[15:21] <jarod> wow i changed sdr# dnr from -20 to -14
[15:22] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/434.446mhz-2014-09-07-spava-sdrsharp-dnr-effect.jpg
[15:22] <Maxell> jarod: turn off as much DSP as possiable
[15:22] <jarod> DSP = only noise
[15:23] <jarod> DNR = massive SNR boost
[15:23] <jarod> *DSP off =
[15:23] <jarod> talking to prog now
[15:23] <jarod> you should enable DNR as well, of IF
[15:24] <Maxell> Not using SDR#
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[15:24] <jarod> and play with the glider
[15:24] <jarod> well thats your problem then
[15:25] <jarod> sdr# can make you look so much deeper in the noise than any other program or receiver
[15:25] <Maxell> Nope :P
[15:25] <jarod> this is a crappy rtlsdr and see what it does
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[15:25] <jarod> 113 km... should i be able to see it? :P
[15:25] <Maxell> pd3jag: hello
[15:26] <Maxell> !hysplit SPAVA
[15:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[15:26] <Maxell> hmm
[15:26] <Ron_G8FJG> lost at 327km -0.2 thanks for a days entertainment!
[15:26] <Upu> nps :)
[15:26] <pd3jag> hello pd3jag new here.
[15:26] <Upu> still hanging in there @ -0.8 :)
[15:27] <Upu> hey pd3jag afternoon
[15:27] <Maxell> Welcome!
[15:27] <Maxell> More Dutch people :D
[15:27] <jarod> gonna enable decimation now :P
[15:27] <Upu> hmm
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[15:27] <Upu> don't like that decent rate
[15:28] <SA6BSS> rain or burst
[15:28] <Herman-PB0AHX> welkom pa3jag
[15:29] <pd3jag> oke tnx yes niceto see you here and new in this mode hihi.
[15:30] <Upu> who is MH ?
[15:30] <Maxell> jarod: airspy?
[15:31] <Maxell> Upu: Winsum MH Radio: RTL2832 Antenna: GroundPlane
[15:31] <Maxell> Don't recall him/her on the chat...
[15:32] <jarod> Maxell: not yet, but testing technics that the airspy will use
[15:32] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/434.446mhz-2014-09-07-spava-sdrsharp-dnr-decimation.jpg
[15:32] <PA0RPA_> I hope SPAVA will land on the predicted spot on the Isle Terschelling...
[15:33] <Upu> know anyone there ?
[15:33] <jarod> it will dwarf any 1000+ costing receiver
[15:33] <jarod> *eur
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[15:34] <PA0RPA_> No, don't know anyone there, may be the other Dutch vieuwers on this site??
[15:34] <jarod> without dnr i only hear noise :)
[15:34] <vincentgire> hi there !
[15:35] <Upu> afternoon vincentgire
[15:35] <vincentgire> I need some advice on dl-fldigi
[15:35] <Upu> ask away
[15:36] <vincentgire> thanks ! I was parsing the fldigi logs to read the RTTY frequency and I can not find these logs anymore in dl-fldigi
[15:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> i hope he is landing near delfzijl than can 2 people looking for him
[15:36] <Upu> I don't think they are stored localled vincentgire
[15:36] <Upu> was it from a balloon ?
[15:38] <jarod> $$SPAVA,877,15:36:58,53.36458,4.28016,5489,7,4129,1409,2,04*EAB2 latest green :O
[15:38] <jarod> ah its back
[15:38] <jarod> $$SPAVA,880,15:38:01,53.36856,4.30073,5352,8,4127,1244,3,04*DA18 latest now
[15:39] <vincentgire> I found the RTTY output in /talk/textout.txt but frequency is not there anymore (even with the "Log RTTY frequency" option ON)
[15:39] <Maxell> jarod: I still wonder how you have so much trouble receiving the HABs
[15:41] <jarod> a gap in the discone?
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[15:42] <Upu> not sure vincentgire what balloon was it ?
[15:42] <jarod> but because of my "troubles" some programs get better and better :P
[15:43] <jarod> on the dvb-t antenna i get nothing, hehehe
[15:44] <Maxell> jarod: what kind of coax?
[15:44] <jarod> you dont wanan know :P
[15:44] <vincentgire> Upu : sorry, I was not clear. No balloon yet. I am just playing offline, preparing for my first HAB launch. I am trying to control GQRX frequency from dl-flgidi
[15:44] <Upu> ah ok sorry in that case I don't know
[15:44] <jarod> rg58
[15:44] <Upu> it will be the same as fldigi
[15:44] <Maxell> jarod: wut wut wuttttt
[15:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> someone else was asking about controlling GQRX it didn't look like it was possible as GQRX doesn't implement any of the standard interfaces.
[15:46] <jarod> Maxell discone was installed for fm band :)
[15:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> SDR-Radio supports CATRig and works well up to 6 VFO's if necessary (and fast enougth machine!)
[15:46] <vincentgire> Upu : In fldigi, you have a File -> Text Capture -> Log all RX/TX test which logs RTTY reception + RTTY frequency. But it is gone in dl-fldigi. Geoff-G8DHE-Lap : you can control easily control GQRX with telnet
[15:47] <Upu> ah ok vincentgire
[15:47] <Upu> you'd need to speak to one of the dl-fldigi devs
[15:48] <vincentgire> Upu : ok. I will. I am doing this because I am seing a lot of drift with a HopeRFM69 module. Seems to be usual according to the wiki.
[15:48] <Upu> yeah thats usual
[15:48] <Upu> no TCXO
[15:49] <vincentgire> But I can still manage to do a first (short) flight with it, right ?
[15:49] <Maxell> jarod: stick an X-30 on the roof
[15:50] <Maxell> Aircell 7 coax.
[15:50] <Maxell> Or for HABs you could do a small yagi on mount on the desk :P
[15:50] <Upu> yes vincentgire should work ok
[15:50] <amell> oh i thought spava was a floater.
[15:50] <Upu> NTX2B may be a better option
[15:50] <jarod> i could use my ads-b cable no?
[15:51] <jarod> $$SPAVA,915,15:49:59,53.40154,4.52000,4007,7,4127,1323,8,04*1FA9 back to greens
[15:51] <Maxell> ADS-B should be Aircell 7 or higher.
[15:52] <vincentgire> Upu : thanks. Also, I have no license so no callsign (receiving with SDR). Should I invent one to setup dl-fldigi to connect to the hab server ?
[15:52] <Maxell> rg58 for one gigaherts lol
[15:52] <daveake> amell it did float
[15:52] <Upu> you can put Donaldduck if you want vincentgire
[15:52] <Upu> you're not transmitting
[15:52] <jarod> H155 cable
[15:53] <Upu> not transmitting on amateur bands, your payload is transmitting but on an ISM frequency
[15:53] <daveake> In fact, if you do use your ham callsign, some wazzock will claim that it's suddenly become a ham transmission
[15:55] <LeoBodnar> M0RPI how's your back? 73's M0XER
[15:55] <LeoBodnar> QSL?
[15:55] <vincentgire> ;-) I will try to find something fancy Upu. Nope, not transmitting. I'll go make so range test outside now. Thank you for your help !
[15:55] <Upu> nps
[15:55] <daveake> back find it's the ham-meroids
[15:55] <daveake> fine
[15:55] <LeoBodnar> i was using WiFi so surely amateur radio
[15:55] <Upu> lol
[15:55] <Upu> I was using a baby monitor. Made transmission illegal
[15:55] <Upu> and baby cry
[15:57] <daveake> baby licensed?
[15:57] <daveake> or were you training?
[15:58] <Maxell> And what if you would end your cell phone calls with your callsign?
[15:58] <Maxell> Encrypted!! >:)
[15:59] <daveake> encoded. you just need another baby to decode
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[16:03] <Maxell> Last partial @ RevSpace $$SPAVA,950,16:02:30,53.41228,4.68364,2592y\Uffffffffs N 6,1329,13,04*C289
[16:03] <Maxell> Have a great swim, SPAVA :)
[16:03] <Upu> hah
[16:04] <amell> thats two balloons in the drink today
[16:04] <amell> feel for max, his payload was a lot of work.
[16:04] <Maxell> I say this so the opposite happens, Upu.
[16:04] <bertrik> not much hope for SPAVA landing on those islands, right?
[16:05] <Maxell> bertrik: wind might change at lower altitudes.
[16:05] <Upu> nah I think its got wet as the decent rate is consistant
[16:05] <Upu> I'm sort of hoping it dries off soon
[16:05] <Maxell> Oh, more greens coming in @ RevSpace, 0.2 degrees altitude now... $$SPAVA,957,16:04:57,53.41467,4.71147,2346,9,4125,1301,14,04*185F
[16:05] <Upu> Maxmed should get a boat
[16:05] <Upu> mine landed around there
[16:06] <Upu> and I recovered it from the sea
[16:06] <jarod> $$SPAVA,959,16:05:39,53.41588,4.71830,2287,6,4127,1341,14,04*B630
[16:06] <amell> Upu: tracker was working at sea?
[16:06] <Upu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcbykWjsQrI&list=UUGkq3Q2JQhN_ChjcPPwAW3A
[16:06] <Upu> had a GSM backup
[16:07] <Upu> which did work
[16:07] <jarod> $$SPAVA,964,16:07:24,53.42015,4.73612,2111,6,4125,1351,14,00*3187 green
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[16:08] Action: amell waits for chase_boat to appear on map
[16:08] <jarod> think that was the last one
[16:09] <bertrik> PE2G usually beats all of us, he has an awesome setup I think
[16:11] <jarod> next time ill make a dipole quickly :P
[16:12] <daveake> This one got recoevered from the sea too http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Back-To-Shore-1024x531.png
[16:12] <PE2G> bertrik: MH will beat me this time!
[16:12] <Maxell> Upu: nice read too!
[16:12] <jarod> 1510 feet
[16:13] <jarod> $$SPAVA,979,16:12:39,53.43412,4.78964,1510,7,4125,1079A15,04*12F5 right?
[16:13] <jarod> $$SPAVA,980,16:13:00,53.43498,4.79293,1490,8,4126,1045,16,04*03D5 green
[16:13] <PE2G> MH is very good at tracking met-sondes at low alts
[16:13] <jarod> 1440 feet
[16:14] <jarod> 1405 :O
[16:14] <jarod> greens only now o/
[16:14] <amell> daveake: you stripped off quickly and swam out to it?
[16:15] <jarod> 1281 feet
[16:15] <amell> 1281 metres?
[16:16] <jarod> feeters
[16:16] <amell> snus says metres
[16:16] <jarod> oh yes, could be meters, no idea
[16:16] <jarod> only says alt :O
[16:16] <daveake> February. You guess.
[16:17] <amell> daveake: you slathered yourself in goose fat first before entering?
[16:17] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/434.446mhz-2014-09-07-spava-1202m.jpg
[16:17] <PE2G> -0.4 deg here and still greens
[16:17] <jarod> well i got a discone + rg58
[16:18] <jarod> so i shall we the real hero of today? :P
[16:18] <PE2G> I lost SPAVA at -0.4 deg dx 171 km
[16:19] <jarod> 934m now
[16:20] <Upu> look at the solar voltage
[16:20] <Upu> thats in clouds
[16:21] <jarod> lost it
[16:23] <jarod> when the airspy is released i shall invest in new cables and a balcony antenna (pointed at the UK, so that be fine)
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[16:23] <fsphil> hehe, I'm thinking of putting one up pointing towards cambridge
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[16:28] <Lunar_Lander> G.M.B. Dobson seems to have been a great scientist
[16:31] <Lunar_Lander> "A serious disadvantage was that for some years there was no main electric supply available and accumulators had to be charged in Oxford and carried up and down on the back of a bicycle!"
[16:34] <amell> fsphil: it helps living next to cambridge
[16:35] <daveake> meh. Cambridge is too close to the sea.
[16:37] <amell> jarod: why airspy? why not FCD?
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[16:39] <jarod> amell: because it will be 100x better AND have 10mhz wide view?
[16:39] <jarod> and no gaps
[16:39] <amell> wide view, is that useful for HAB?
[16:39] <jarod> no, but _and_ + _and_ ?
[16:40] <amell> im not sure what other advantages it might offer. capture wider spectrum, and what then?
[16:40] <jarod> massive decimation... super filters via sdr#
[16:41] <amell> what is decimation ?
[16:41] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/434.446mhz-2014-09-07-spava-sdrsharp-dnr-decimation.jpg
[16:41] <jarod> what fcd does....
[16:41] <jarod> but you all will see when its released and i make some videos screenshots :)
[16:45] <fsphil> jarod: 100x better?
[16:45] <fsphil> it's only advantage is bandwidth
[16:45] <fsphil> -'
[16:46] <mfa298> and I'm not sure it has such good filters
[16:47] <mattbrejza> airspy is still zero-IF, 8bit IQ samples?
[16:47] <mattbrejza> just 10MHz?
[16:47] <jarod> http://airspy.com/
[16:48] <mattbrejza> oh perhaps not then
[16:48] <fsphil> still no pricing?
[16:48] <mattbrejza> its IIP3 and 12bit adc should help
[16:48] <jarod> rtlsdr.com says 100-200 dollar, so we wait :P
[16:49] <mattbrejza> also samples at a IF
[16:49] <mattbrejza> so everything i assumed was wrong
[16:49] <mattbrejza> so yea should be a good deal better than the dongles
[16:49] <mattbrejza> cant remember fcd++ figures though
[16:50] <jarod> also r820t2 :)
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[16:51] <mfa298> I think the samling is similar on the FCD Pro+ but much smaller bandwidth (FCD also has a wider range but a hole in the middle)
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[16:52] <maxmed> Hi. is there somewhere that I can find the telementry/map/google map thing of my flight from before it landed in sea?
[16:53] <Upu> hey maxmed
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[16:53] <Upu> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=MAX
[16:53] <Upu> did you have a GSM tracker in there
[16:54] <Upu> it landed right where one of mine did
[16:55] <maxmed> whats a GSM tracker?
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[16:55] <Upu> no then :)
[16:55] <Upu> text messages
[16:55] <Upu> what balloon was it ?
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[16:57] <maxmed> ahh no GMS no, I htought about it but decided not worth it, it was a totex 350g balloon. Don't know why it ascended so slowly and yet burst so early?
[16:57] <maxmed> was quite an old balloon
[16:57] <Upu> what was the ascent rate ?
[16:58] <maxmed> meant to be 5m/s but most the time was less that 3m/s and it burst at somehting like 16km from memory
[16:59] <Upu> sounds all a bit odd what was the intended flight path
[16:59] <Upu> I guess it was mean to come back to land ?
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[17:00] <maxmed> wasn't meant to get all the way to the sea, should have ascended faster, burst sonner but higher then landed a bit before ipswich
[17:00] <Upu> what was on it ?
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[17:02] <maxmed> just tracker and action camera, which I thought weighed about 500g but I guessed it weighed more
[17:04] <daveake> Do you know the average ascent rate?
[17:06] <maxmed> no, I don't know. around 2.5m/s maybe but it jumped around a lot as the gps altitude kept sticking
[17:06] <daveake> That's very slow if true. Did Steve see it launch? If so did he think he looked slow?
[17:06] <arjun_> Woah, looking at habitat it has gone a far way out to sea
[17:07] <arjun_> maxmed : Does it have APRS
[17:07] <maxmed> I don't know what happened when the lat/lon went to 0,0 ! very strange, can't think when that would happen unless it is something to do with the gps itself
[17:07] <daveake> It seemed to have a lot of trouble with GPS altitude
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[17:08] <arjun_> Did you have a tem sensor inside?
[17:08] <arjun_> *temp
[17:08] <maxmed> no aprs, the altitude had always stuck a quite a bit and never seemed very accurate (could change by about a 100m without moving and could go up 100m without changing) on the way up it stayed at 50m for ages then 600m for ages etc.
[17:09] <maxmed> no temp- that was planned for launch 2!
[17:09] <arjun_> Lol
[17:09] <arjun_> What was the testing like?
[17:09] <maxmed> what do you mean?
[17:10] <arjun_> Did you do a freezer test/
[17:11] <arjun_> (Whack the payload in a freezer and test the payload)
[17:11] <Scott85> hi
[17:11] <arjun_> Hello
[17:11] <maxmed> never actually stuck it in the freezer though the camera used to get very hot and it was reasonably well insulated so shouldn't have been a problem really (he hopes!)
[17:11] <daveake> It went wrong straightaway; it wasn't the cold
[17:12] <Scott85> is it just me or is the Arduino programming language really limited?
[17:12] <arjun_> Which battery did you use?
[17:13] <arjun_> Length: 11548.33 km Duration: 2h 53m
[17:14] <arjun_> Apparently it went all the way to Africa in a completely straight line and back in a completely straight line!
[17:14] <maxmed> was using 450mah lipo battery for tracker. where did you get that info from?
[17:14] <arjun_> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=MAX
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[17:15] <mfa298> Scott85 I can't really speak for what the arduino stuff adds on top but the limits should only really be what the microcontoller can do.
[17:16] <maxmed> are the datastrings themselves saved anywhere?
[17:16] <arjun_> Which website did you buy it from as some websites stock the 300mah and market it as the 450mah
[17:16] <maxmed> other than on the onboard sd card!
[17:17] <arjun_> Are you using an arduino
[17:17] <maxmed> battery was bought from giantshark for another project, in testing for 5h it didn't even seem to touch it, was still well above nominal voltage
[17:18] <maxmed> yeah using arduino pro mini 3.3v but using external voltage regulator
[17:18] <jcoxon> maxmed, oh habitat has all the data
[17:18] <arjun_> don't think its the tracker then
[17:18] <arjun_> probaaly the GPS
[17:18] <jcoxon> http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
[17:19] <arjun_> *probably
[17:19] <daveake> Probably the proximity of one or both cameras to the gps antenna
[17:19] <N2NXZ> Here is my payload,lots of batteries :) http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq22/N2NXZ/VHF%20UHF%20tracking/Balloon%20launch%20September%205th%202014/IMG_9731_zpsaee39bcd.jpg
[17:19] <arjun_> http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/ept/_list/csv/payload_telemetry/flight_payload_time?include_docs=true&startkey=[%220ac025994b03898acde1cc1e034400b8%22,%228ba3dedb2ee29df9fcf80c26dab2bd83%22]&endkey=[%220ac025994b03898acde1cc1e034400b8%22,%228ba3dedb2ee29df9fcf80c26dab2bd83%22,[]]&fields=_sentence,_receivers,sentence_id,time,latitude,longitude,altitude,satellites,truecount,gps_lock
[17:21] <arjun_> maxmed : the raw datastrings
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[17:22] <maxmed> could be the camera I guess, do you think that caused the 0 lat/lon problem or the altitude problem? My computer won't open those files, what software do I need?
[17:23] <arjun_> the datastrings file?
[17:23] <mfa298> maxmed: go to http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/ select your flight and you can get the data in various formats
[17:24] <maxmed> can't open any of the formats!
[17:24] <arjun_> Here's a pastebin : http://pastebin.com/WBG7Vy5A
[17:25] <mfa298> you shoudl be able to load the csv data into any spreadsheet
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[17:29] <maxmed> its a shame really that it never lost the gps fix, I spent ages trying to get it to send out the old good data if it lost the fix and it never even used it!
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[17:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Maxell, Do you hAVE gOOGLE eARTH ?
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[17:49] <maxmed> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: you mean me? I don't at present, why?
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[18:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BECKSTEM - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=BECKSTEM
[18:34] <Upu> !dial BECKSTEM
[18:34] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Payload 03BECKSTEM 10(fe45) 03$$BECKSTEM - 03PAVA DominoEX  - 03434.498 MHz USB 03DominoEX with speed 0316
[18:34] <Upu> thats in the air
[18:34] <Upu> THOR16
[18:37] <Upu> ping kpiman
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[18:37] <Upu> your work is not done sir :)
[18:40] <aadamson> Whoa, Upu, did you fly one today?
[18:41] <Upu> Well 2 now
[18:41] <aadamson> oh, really that one above a floater too?
[18:41] <aadamson> what happened to the first one?
[18:41] <Upu> hit some bad weather I believe
[18:41] <Upu> and came down
[18:41] <Upu> the solar voltage dropped significantly so I suspect it was in heavy cloud
[18:41] <aadamson> ah was looking at the telem, temp went cold, solar radically fluctuated... cloud/moisture you think?
[18:42] <aadamson> ah, just saw your response ^
[18:42] <aadamson> what solar?
[18:42] <aadamson> the flexibles?
[18:45] <Upu> no
[18:45] <Upu> fragile ones
[18:45] <aadamson> ah...
[18:45] <Upu> x4
[18:45] <aadamson> ah, hence the higher voltage
[18:45] <aadamson> ... on a foil?
[18:46] <Upu> yeah
[18:46] <Upu> just bog standard 36"
[18:46] <aadamson> very cool.. the second on AA or AAA?
[18:46] <aadamson> yeah that's all I'm messing with for now as well till I get some experience :)
[18:46] <aadamson> they are just too easy, but you have to deal with the moisture aspect
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[18:47] <Upu> ok
[18:47] <Upu> k-lined ?
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[18:48] <mfa298> looks like all web users, so presumably something died
[18:48] <Upu> lol
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> strange
[18:48] <lz1dev> rip
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[18:48] <Upu> everyones gone to sleep :)
[18:48] <ulfr> uh
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[18:49] <Upu> I shall solo track this!
[18:50] <Upu> cheers mikestir_M0MKS :)
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[18:54] <mfa298> should have launched further south :p
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[18:57] <MaXimaN> Okay, ready to decode BECKSTEM
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[19:03] <maxmed> Hi, for my payload rebuild I'm thinking of using just the atmega328P rather than an arduino mini but have heard it doesn't have very accurate timing without an external clock, do you think I need an external clock or is the timing not that critical?
[19:03] <Upu> hmm ?
[19:03] <Upu> it has a crystal on it
[19:03] <Upu> runs @ 16Mhz
[19:03] <Upu> they are fine
[19:03] <Upu> !hysplit run BECKSTEM
[19:03] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: You job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
[19:05] <maxmed> So this one would be suitable: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/251499786288?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&device=m&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108&ff19=0 ?
[19:05] <Upu> oh you're making your own board ?
[19:06] <Upu> this I would strongly recommend
[19:07] <maxmed> Thinking about it, need to have a word with the new electronics technician at school, need to work out if its worth it.
[19:07] <Upu> well it means you can do what you want
[19:07] <Upu> and what you want to do is run it at 3V
[19:07] <Upu> which means 8Mhz
[19:08] <mfa298> if you're making your own board then it's well worth having a crystal on it. If you use the onboard oscilator it can drift with temperature so may stop talking to the gps
[19:08] <Upu> heck you could run it at 1.8V if you want (4Mhz)
[19:08] <Upu> but yes to concur with mfa298 put a crystal on it
[19:08] <Upu> you can still program it via the Arduino enviroment
[19:09] <mfa298> you can get away with no crystal initially but not wise to fly with no crystal. You may also need a proper programmer so you can set the fuses for the crystal.
[19:09] <Upu> yup
[19:09] <mfa298> if you get the latest avrdude source it's possible to use a Pi as the programmer (as I've just started doing for some work stuff)
[19:09] <Upu> https://www.olimex.com/Products/AVR/Programmers/AVR-ISP500/
[19:10] <Upu> all "Arduino" is is a small piece of code on the AVR chip that lets you program it via serial rather than the ICSP header
[19:11] <mfa298> and a load of wrapper functions so you don't need to worry about what the registers are called
[19:11] <Upu> and TINYGPS !
[19:11] <Upu> clue : don't
[19:12] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[19:12] Action: SpacenearUS got confused... send help
[19:12] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[19:13] <maxmed> The plan was to just program it with the UNO board but I have got a PI kicking about so its a possibility, but sounds like its getting a bit complicated. Upu- are you saying don't use TinyGPS?
[19:13] <MaXimaN> Man, I just cannot get this Moonraker 7 elem yagi to work at all
[19:14] <mfa298> I did start trying to write some pure AVR code to talk SPI and UART and found it's not all that bad (although a decent knowledge of C helps)
[19:14] <Upu> yeah I wouldn't
[19:14] <mfa298> yep you should be able to use the Uno board as an ISP as well for setting fuses etc.
[19:15] <maxmed> What's wrong with it? I was using it on my flight today and seemed to do the job unless that was the cause of my problems?
[19:15] <Upu> it may have been the thing is you didn't write it so you'll never know
[19:15] <mfa298> With the Uno board you can probably get the plain chips cheaper from the likes of CPC and put the bootloader on your self (if you need it)
[19:15] <Upu> thats the problem
[19:15] <Upu> its ok but you don't know what its doing and what effect its having on your code
[19:16] <Upu> what was the issue today ?
[19:16] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
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[19:17] <maxmed> It kept sticking on various altitutes so stayed on 50m for ages them 416m for ages so would leap up suddenly. At one point it also claimed to be at 0,0.
[19:18] <Upu> that sounds more like GPS interference
[19:18] <Upu> I think its hard to tell
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> Did your payload report number of sats?
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[19:19] <maxmed> Yes it did say the sats, it varied between 6 and 9.
[19:20] <DG0MG> upu, how much ist the upwards boost, have you weighed, when you filled the ballon?
[19:20] <Upu> 1.5g DG0MG
[19:21] <Upu> on this one
[19:21] <DG0MG> oh, thats not much
[19:21] <Upu> its a foil
[19:21] <Upu> so you don't need much
[19:21] <Upu> 19.1g payload
[19:21] <maxmed> Can anyone recomend a good lightweight camera? Either a video that can take hd vid and can use a 16gb or one that can take good quality stills every few seconds
[19:21] <DG0MG> yes, with abt 50m/min
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[19:22] <Upu> its enough :)
[19:22] <mfa298> maxmed: several people have used old canon cameras with chdk. IF you try one of the cheap keyfob cameras test, test, test, They've been known to block the gps
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[19:27] <lz1dev> [21:50:24]-tomaw/Wallops- Yes, I am an idiot and klined the webchat. Complaints about my large
[19:27] <lz1dev> scale actions can, as usual, be directed to grawity.
[19:27] <lz1dev> lol
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[19:30] <junderwood> !dial BECKSTEM
[19:30] <SpacenearUS> 03junderwood: Payload 03BECKSTEM 10(fe45) 03$$BECKSTEM - 03PAVA DominoEX  - 03434.498 MHz USB 03DominoEX with speed 0316
[19:31] <junderwood> Nice
[19:31] <junderwood> (Can't hear it, though)
[19:31] <Upu> its in no rush to go south
[19:32] <junderwood> Can't blame it :)
[19:34] <Upu> Northern Balloon :)
[19:35] <daveake> It only goes aye up
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[19:38] <amell> maxmed here?
[19:38] <amell> I saw the launch, the ascent was slower than pi_ce and a lot slower than xaben80
[19:39] <amell> its quite possible it didnt have enough gas in it.
[19:39] <amell> If i remember rightly the camera was a mobius - i wonder if it was interfering with the gps.
[19:41] <amell> mobius has this big thin metal heatsink thing on the outside.
[19:42] <amell> but having said that, the launch ascent rate didnt seem overly slow. looked fine to me.
[19:45] <amell> is beckstem really domino or is it thor?
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[19:46] <MaXimaN> amell: Announcement said THOR
[19:47] <Upu> THOR
[19:47] <amell> be good to get that bug fixed one day
[19:47] <Upu> its not a bug
[19:48] <Upu> just a feature thats missing
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[19:48] <amell> ok :)
[19:48] <aadamson> ^ HAB != NAB :)
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[19:56] <Upu> hey MH
[19:56] <Upu> thanks for tracking earlier
[19:56] <Upu> if you fancy a swim free tracker :)
[20:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> !payload beckstem
[20:03] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Payload 03BECKSTEM 10(fe45) 03$$BECKSTEM - 03PAVA DominoEX  - 03434.498 MHz USB 03DominoEX with speed 0316
[20:03] <MaXimaN> nowt yet on t'waterfall down 'ere in sarf lahhhndan.
[20:03] Action: MaXimaN mixes accents
[20:03] <amell> something faint here at .499 but its not decodable.
[20:03] <Upu> THOR16 Geoff
[20:04] <amell> all we need now is a B to fly over on 434.LEO and mess things up royally.
[20:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup it might just come in range, got a bit hectic lunch time!
[20:04] <Upu> mine is 2khz off Leo's
[20:05] <Upu> quite deliberate
[20:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Any RSID ?
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[20:05] <Upu> nah you don't need it
[20:05] <DL7AD> !hysplit B-64
[20:05] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[20:05] <DL7AD> !hysplit B-66
[20:05] <Upu> ezmode : constant TX, THOR16 TCXO
[20:05] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[20:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> It enables AFC more than anything else, so if its in bandwidth it will lock on
[20:06] <lz1dev> !hysplit
[20:06] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: HYSPLIT available for: 03B-64, B-66, PS, VX-20, BECKSTEM
[20:06] <amell> oh, its only 5k high. I will check back in half an hour
[20:06] <lz1dev> !hysplit B-64
[20:06] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[20:06] <lz1dev> i dun goof'd
[20:06] <Upu> its a stronger signal than SPAVA earlier
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[20:06] <amell> thats surprising
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[20:08] <malgar> !whereis b-64
[20:09] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-64 was over 03Division No. 18, SK, Canada 10(54.9006,-102.7709) at 0312165 meters about 036 days ago
[20:09] <malgar> !hysplit B-66
[20:09] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[20:09] <malgar> !whereis b-66
[20:09] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-66 was over 03Kalmansky District, Altai Krai, Russia 10(53.0078,83.0759) at 0313472 meters about 0310 days ago
[20:09] <DutchMillbt> Hi all what is the dail freqency for BECKSTEM at the moment
[20:09] <Upu> 434.498
[20:09] <Upu> THOR16 DutchMillbt
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[20:09] <daveake> You paying Leo royalties?
[20:09] <Upu> same hardware as before
[20:09] <Upu> 2khz off having to do so daveake
[20:10] <amell> im seeing tones at 434.499.5
[20:10] <Upu> if you can see them you probably should be able to decode
[20:10] <Upu> its FEC
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> GIRLS
[20:10] <Upu> has
[20:10] <Upu> Where SpeedEvil ?
[20:10] Action: SpeedEvil was having a father Jack moment.
[20:10] <amell> if you saw my waterfall, which is full of noise.
[20:11] <DutchMillbt> oke Upu tuning to 434.498
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[20:11] <Upu> low float
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[20:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ooh its dipping
[20:12] <amell> Upu: with this much noise? :) http://i.imgur.com/cWSNUVA.png
[20:13] <Upu> thats normal what you're missing is actual signal
[20:13] <amell> its there, i can see it
[20:14] <Upu> if you can see it you should be getting at least partial decodes
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[20:14] <amell> its just an area thats more noisier, and its the right width
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[20:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/BECKSTEM_20140907/
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[20:22] <Upu> oscillating slightly
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[20:28] <Upu> dropped 100hz
[20:28] <Upu> probably getting cold
[20:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LORA1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=LORA1
[20:28] <Rebounder> aaah, thought you meant the height.. :)
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[20:29] <amell> im so annoyed i cant decode
[20:29] <Upu> get a decent radio
[20:29] <amell> waiting for the airspy :)
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[20:29] <amell> hey maxmed
[20:29] <amell> good to see you today. sorry about the flight.
[20:30] <maxmed> Is this transmitter suitable: http://ebay.to/1tDaUML ? Can it be hooked up in the same way as the radiometrix?
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[20:31] <Upu> no idea
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[20:31] <Upu> I'd use the radiometrix
[20:31] <Upu> and thats just because I sell them
[20:31] <maxmed> Hi amell: thanks for the kind words, its a real shame but I have not been deterred! Roll on version 2!
[20:32] <amell> maxmed: thats the spirit. did i see a mobius camera in your payload?
[20:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> can't see the freq. stability being very good!
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[20:34] <maxmed> Nah no möbius camera, just some old action camera my mum was about to donate to the charity shop! It was waterproof though and we've got someone who's going our to have a look for it tommorow but I'm not that hopeful, would have been better if they were available when it landed
[20:35] <amell> maxmed: did you test gps with the camera on and recording? these devices often generate rf interference - example here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXQM_I9NADM
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[20:37] <maxmed> Yeah I had tested it, maybe not well enough! Saying yesterday during testing I found the gps struggled to get a lock when in the payload container with the camera, up until then I think I had always already got a GPS fix before putting it in with the camera, that's what I did today though
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[20:40] <maxmed> Are there any cheaper alternatives to the radiometrix? I know its not that expensive but thinking about also making a cheap expiremental tracker which doesn't have a GPS but an accelerometer
[20:42] <mfa298> maxmed: there are various other radios you can use although it depends on what effort you want to go it. things like the rfm22b and rfm69 can do rtty (but domino/thor etc may not be possible)
[20:43] <mfa298> or you can go for the raw SI chips but that requires more pcb design and coding to get working
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[20:46] <maxmed> Does the rfm22b work in the same way as the radiometrix? It there a good place to get hold of one?
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[20:47] <daveake> No, it's programmed via SPI
[20:47] <daveake> Not the same at all
[20:47] <daveake> There is sample code on the wiki
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[20:47] <daveake> However they drift even more than the old NTX2 and have some reliability issues
[20:47] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
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[20:49] <zzqa> kf7fer: is there any pubilc info about your use of the sa818 module on your -11 station? (you seem to be the only hit for folks using it for APRS)
[20:50] <maxmed> Ok I'll have a look, sounds like the radiometrix is the way to go, I guess that's why everyone uses them!
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[20:55] <mfa298> rfm69 might be better but I don't think anyone has tested one flying when doing rtty with it.
[20:55] <mfa298> oh and he left
[20:57] <MaXimaN> I can hear BECKSTEM now, but not clear enough to decode yet
[20:59] <amell> wow.
[20:59] <amell> i was suspicious - took the habamp off. now beckstem is very loud and clear
[21:00] <amell> decoding fine.
[21:00] <mikestir_M0MKS> hadn't you already tried taking the habamp off?
[21:00] <amell> not today, no.
[21:00] <amell> ffs. whats with this habamp?
[21:01] <amell> its perfect greens now.
[21:01] <mikestir_M0MKS> have you got the jumpers set right for the power supply you're using?
[21:01] <amell> yes i have
[21:02] <amell> now i have one strong line down the waterfall. before, i had several weak lines.
[21:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> and the gain set right on the dongle
[21:02] <mikestir_M0MKS> I mean it seems to me that if you have it in the right way around and it's powered properly then it should be working, unless you have some monster signal nearby that's totally saturating it or something
[21:03] <amell> when i turn it on, i see a lot of lines drifting across slowly (diagonal waterfall)
[21:03] <amell> takes a few minutes to settle down.
[21:03] <mikestir_M0MKS> sounds like it's hooting
[21:04] <amell> what does that mean, other than in the owl context
[21:04] <mikestir_M0MKS> oscillating
[21:04] <mikestir_M0MKS> which might happen if the output was coupling back to the input in some way
[21:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> your using a dongle right ? what gain setting have you got on it ?
[21:04] <mikestir_M0MKS> I wouldn't have thought it was high enough gain for that to be an issue though
[21:05] <amell> hmm. i might open it up and check jumpers. it was default settings.
[21:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> remember dongles overload very easily!
[21:05] <amell> without habamp gain is 48.4dB
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[21:05] <amell> with habamp, about 15-20dB
[21:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> and what do you turn it down to with the amp
[21:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> have youy tried lower ?
[21:06] <amell> if i go lower waterfall disappears.
[21:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> forget the w/f thats only visual look at the signal plot
[21:06] <mikestir_M0MKS> I have a habamp that I've used with several rtl sticks with different tuners and I've never had a problem with it
[21:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> what level is it
[21:07] <amell> you mean in gqrx down the side? -75 right now.
[21:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> my noise floor tonight is running about -120dbm signals would peak to about -80dbm if very strong
[21:08] <amell> just lost it, maybe a null
[21:08] <amell> and its back
[21:09] <CHRISG7OGX> good evening Geoff, have you had a sniff of Beckstem yet?
[21:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> not yet its still behnd the Downs for me at that range needs to be about 10-11Kms
[21:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> either that or my aerials need to grow by a factor of x10
[21:11] <CHRISG7OGX> OK thanks I'm using you as my bench mark! did you feel anything?!
[21:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope should I ?
[21:11] <CHRISG7OGX> been rx funcube
[21:11] <CHRISG7OGX> No !
[21:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Shouldn't actually be here, planned to be camping in Lake district but the alternator failed on the van :-(
[21:13] <CHRISG7OGX> sabotage?
[21:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> No just loaded it all up, wife moved it across and said the Charge lamp hasn't gone out ?????
[21:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> been expecting it to be honest its been oddly intermittent for a while but could never catch it on the meter!
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[21:16] <amell> what van is it?
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[21:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ford Freda or Mazda Bongo
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[21:50] <amell> beckstem lost gps there for a couple of packets.
[21:50] <amell> $$BECKSTEM,637,21:49:14,0.00000,0.00000,0,0,1607,0*7156
[21:50] <amell> $$BECKSTEM,638,21:49:32,0.00000,0.00000,5516,3,1602,32*1DE9
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[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> evening craag_philcrump
[22:07] <craag_philcrump> good evening Lunar_Lander
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[22:11] <tweetBot1> @daveake: LoRa handheld receiver now working. To chase a LoRa payload you just need an AVR, RFM96W and LCD. #UKHAS http://t.co/90lovwqjoy
[22:12] <craag_philcrump> daveake: And a phone with gps mapping :)
[22:12] <daveake> yes yes next weekend :)
[22:12] <craag_philcrump> :P
[22:12] <mattbrejza> needs a knob to change channel too
[22:12] <daveake> I have a bluetooth module to link this to a phone
[22:13] <craag_philcrump> I think we need to sort out habpack+lora
[22:13] <daveake> yeah I'll see if I have some buttons to fit the case
[22:13] <mattbrejza> sort out means get habitat to support it
[22:13] <daveake> that would be good
[22:13] <craag_philcrump> mattbrejza: What do you do with the java decoder now?
[22:13] <craag_philcrump> decode in java?
[22:13] <daveake> first thing though I need to fly another test and see how well this holds up in the chase car
[22:13] <mattbrejza> convert to ukhas string and upload that
[22:13] <craag_philcrump> ah
[22:14] <mattbrejza> which is why the time goes funny with UTC/BST
[22:14] <craag_philcrump> heh
[22:14] <mattbrejza> also sounds like theres a spider downstairs lol
[22:14] <craag_philcrump> ?
[22:15] <mattbrejza> housemate made noises
[22:15] <mattbrejza> (rather than the actual spider lol)
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[22:15] <craag_philcrump> A spider that you can hear from upstairs would be a rather large spider...
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[22:16] <mattbrejza> i might have to make a quick lora payload
[22:16] <mattbrejza> cant be left behind
[22:16] <Upu> modules should be here tommorrow
[22:17] <craag_philcrump> yeah I'll grab a module and put a gateway on the websdr site
[22:17] <craag_philcrump> been looking for a reason to put a peli case+power at the top of the tower
[22:17] <daveake> :)
[22:17] <craag_philcrump> Then can add ukhasnet/adsb/whatever :)
[22:17] <Upu> I'll send you a board for a Pi craag_philcrump
[22:18] <Upu> with the module on it
[22:18] <craag_philcrump> Upu: rfm98 board???
[22:18] <Upu> yep
[22:18] <mattbrejza> need to get it looking at flight docs
[22:18] <craag_philcrump> That'd be awesome :)
[22:18] <Upu> its at the fab
[22:18] <craag_philcrump> :D
[22:18] <MLow> i cant seem to find a model A pi anywhere
[22:19] <daveake> craag_philcrump We're in a twilight zone where I come up with ideas and Upu has to go make them
[22:19] <daveake> Used to be the other way round
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> you can take the model b, and turn off the usb, and get basically the same power use
[22:19] <craag_philcrump> daveake: Lol, sounds a good place to be :)
[22:19] <daveake> works for me :)
[22:19] <mattbrejza> MLow: http://cpc.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-moda-256m/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-a-256mb/dp/SC12879
[22:19] <MLow> the network chip and usb chip are the same are they not?
[22:19] <daveake> yes
[22:20] <craag_philcrump> I also still have the 868 habamp that Upu sent me and will go up there on a ukhasnet gateway
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[22:20] <Upu> I have the other one here :)
[22:20] <MaXimaN> Bah, BECKSTEM still in the noise for me
[22:21] <Upu> I also have a 7W 70cms TX amp sat round waiting for a purpose :)
[22:21] <Upu> anyway
[22:21] <Upu> work tommorrow laters all
[22:21] <daveake> that reminds me ...
[22:21] <MLow> mattbrejza: wonder what the shipping costs.... but thank you
[22:21] <daveake> .... next job uploads
[22:21] <Upu> thx for tracking, don't stay up :)
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[22:22] <MLow> mattbrejza: nvm doesnt look like they ship to US at all
[22:23] <mattbrejza> oh lol
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[22:26] <amell> maximan: youre in london? its bloody loud here.
[22:28] <amell> daveake: where did you get the case with a cutout for the lcd?
[22:28] <daveake> fleabay
[22:28] <amell> tried cutting hole in a box, impossible to get it neat.
[22:29] <daveake> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321194985060?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> file
[22:29] <amell> nice. now i just need to find a 20x2 case
[22:32] <MaXimaN> amell: I blame a long length of RG58
[22:32] <MaXimaN> But it's coming through louder now
[22:32] <amell> how long?
[22:32] <MaXimaN> I have just been testing a ZL special and have come to the conclusion that the "special" is akin to "special school"
[22:33] <MaXimaN> amell: About 10 to 11 metres or so
[22:33] <amell> im listening through 30m of aircell7
[22:33] <MaXimaN> amell: I have yet to be arsed to install the uber long USB cable to move the dongle closer to the X-50
[22:33] <MaXimaN> The X-50 that is under the roof
[22:34] <amell> same here.
[22:34] <amell> I cant see that 10m of rg58 would have that much impact?
[22:34] Action: MaXimaN shrugs
[22:34] <MLow> anyone wanna buy me a model a and forward it to me?
[22:34] <MLow> paypal transfer
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[22:35] <MaXimaN> amell: I received SPAVA at 215km, 1.0 elev - a record for me
[22:35] <amell> daveake: maybe you should have bought this one instead http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Enclosure-Kit-Arduino-compatible-R3-Uno-1602-Serial-LCD-Module-and-Case-/131015004432?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item1e811a5110
[22:36] <daveake> You make a strong case
[22:36] <MaXimaN> Bargain
[22:37] <MaXimaN> $$BECKSTEM,781,22:36:19,52.88571,0.07886,5605,6,1612,0*F64
[22:37] <mattbrejza> did they just whack up the price to stop people buying it while they get more stock?
[22:37] <MaXimaN> matt: yep
[22:38] <MaXimaN> It's actually unnecessary, but selelrs using third party software do this so that it "prevents" sales on all marketplaces, e.g. eBay, Amazon
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[22:38] <Maxell> Callsign is $$BECKSTEM, its on 434.498Mhz and is using THOR16 whee
[22:38] <Maxell> another balloon
[22:38] <mattbrejza> ah
[22:38] <MaXimaN> amell: Where are you located?
[22:39] <amell> 68.24km 4.4 ele
[22:39] <amell> louder than a squealing pig
[22:39] <MaXimaN> It's 167.8km, 1.2 elev for me
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[22:47] <amell> daveake: is your mobile tracker code in github?
[22:48] <daveake> not yet
[22:48] <daveake> will be when it's more complete (e.g. settable frequency)
[22:48] <amell> think ill make one.
[22:48] <mattbrejza> put a enc28j60 on it :)
[22:48] <daveake> More useful (if you're thinking of helping with LoRa flights) to make a gateway instead
[22:49] <mattbrejza> and then cry as you try to get the ethernet stack to work
[22:49] <daveake> sounds like a great idea :/
[22:49] <amell> daveake: except its not portable.
[22:50] <daveake> Pi in a box
[22:50] <daveake> Portable enough
[22:50] <daveake> Pi + colour screen in a box
[22:50] <daveake> Still portable
[22:50] <mattbrejza> tbh stm32+ethernet
[22:50] <daveake> mapping in your hand
[22:50] <mattbrejza> its on my project list :P
[22:51] <daveake> :)
[22:51] <daveake> Some of the ink has faded on my project list :/
[22:52] <mattbrejza> actually cba with ethernet, ill just make it plug into a phone
[22:52] <craag_philcrump> stm32+modem :)
[22:52] <MaXimaN> Curses
[22:52] <amell> i could wifi it&
[22:53] <daveake> I bought a cheap bluetooth module a few days ago, with the intention to link this Arduino to a phone for mapping
[22:53] <MaXimaN> The powered USB extension cable I bought doesn't deliver enough power to the FCDP+ it seems
[22:53] <amell> but not something you;d want to carry in a cornfield in the pouring rain.
[22:53] <daveake> ^ hub
[22:53] <joeman2> mapping in our hand?
[22:53] <mattbrejza> bluebooth would be neatest
[22:54] <mattbrejza> too many cables
[22:54] <amell> wifi easier. use the tethering on the phone
[22:54] <mattbrejza> sounds horrible
[22:54] <daveake> Not easier than bluetooth it isn't
[22:54] <joeman2> I got a beagle bone black tethered to my iphone
[22:54] <daveake> Terrible current draw too
[22:54] <Maxell> Already coming down!
[22:54] <amell> it is if my phone is an apple iphone
[22:54] <joeman2> web server with openstreemap and a bunch of other things
[22:55] <mattbrejza> we decided ethernet was too much effort and now we're on wifi :P
[22:55] <amell> wifi on a pi?
[22:55] <mattbrejza> are there any nice cheap oem BT modules?
[22:55] <mattbrejza> microcontroller
[22:55] <amell> taking the mick. thats easy.
[22:55] Action: joeman2 gets approx 8 hrs from a 3300mah 3c battery
[22:56] <joeman2> can see iphone gps co-ordinates n map
[22:56] <Maxell> I can hear it... I can see it... Now get me some decodes >:)
[22:56] <pd3t> Maxell: freq?.
[22:56] <joeman2> along with predicted path of balloon and the path the balloon is tracking
[22:56] <Maxell> ySTEM,ttabnB
[22:56] <Maxell> 6:23,5wÈ824
[22:56] <Maxell> more!!!!
[22:56] <Maxell> pd3t: BECKSTEM, its on 434.498Mhz and is using THOR16
[22:57] <pd3t> at rev or at home?
[22:57] <Maxell> Dials spot on: 434.498 MHz USB 1668 Hz
[22:57] <Maxell> Yaesu
[22:57] <Maxell> (home)
[22:57] <pd3t> hmm nothing here yet
[22:57] <Maxell> Yeah it's coming down faster then going south.
[22:57] <Maxell> -0.1 degrees elevation.
[22:58] <Maxell> Elevation: -0.1402° 283.5 km :)
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[22:58] <Maxell> http://i.sigio.nl/7f0730172b1a750945614c2c1c8ab37b.png
[22:59] <amell> maxell: youre imagining things. theres nothing there.
[22:59] <Maxell> Elevation: -0.1355° 282.4 km
[22:59] <Maxell> amell: lol
[22:59] <Maxell> amell: actually there is
[23:00] <Maxell> $$BECKSTEM,hjY
[23:00] <mattbrejza> bluetooth devices tend to only let one phone connect to them at once?
[23:00] <amell> your dl-fldigi is different, what version is yours? i dont have FEC%
[23:01] <Maxell> amell: Fldigi 3.21.77 (build from source!)
[23:01] <amell> dl- ?
[23:01] <Maxell> yep
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[23:01] <amell> surprised theres no package for this
[23:02] <Maxell> pd3t: je hebt er een! Elevation: -0.1174° 280.6 km
[23:02] <Maxell> pd3t: beat me to it :(
[23:02] <pd3t> lol
[23:02] <pd3t> not yet
[23:02] <pd3t> this is sdr
[23:02] <Maxell> Oh, remote! >:)
[23:02] <pd3t> waiting for the signal on the sdr
[23:03] <craag_philcrump> Maxell: With the bad rtty decoder?
[23:03] <pd3t> *dongle
[23:03] <Maxell> craag_philcrump: I have no clue.
[23:03] <Maxell> craag_philcrump: "werks"
[23:03] <craag_philcrump> Newer versions of fldigi have a worse rtty decoder
[23:03] <Maxell> craag_philcrump: how do I find out? It does bug me about a new version. But IIRC it always did that being build from source.
[23:03] <Maxell> To trade for speed?
[23:04] <Maxell> wait, uh, less cpu?
[23:04] <craag_philcrump> Just a worse algorithm afaik
[23:04] <Maxell> ok
[23:04] <craag_philcrump> fsphil did some tests
[23:04] <Flerb> craag_philcrump: I went to the batc conference in the end. Didn't do the second day as the first was quite boring in places
[23:04] <Maxell> [citation needed]
[23:04] <Maxell> [source?]
[23:04] <mattbrejza> Flerb: sounds about right
[23:04] <Maxell> nah, how do I check?
[23:05] <Maxell> pd3t: Elevation: -0.096° 278.7 km coming closer!
[23:05] <Maxell> Not any stronger though,.
[23:05] <Flerb> mattbrejza: I get the feeling it is mostly ex TV people
[23:05] <pd3t> running 3.21.50 here
[23:06] <Flerb> mattbrejza: were you there?
[23:06] <mattbrejza> no
[23:06] <pd3t> some headphone is jamming to local freq
[23:06] <Maxell> pd3t: packaged, installed via apt-get?
[23:06] <pd3t> Doze
[23:06] <mattbrejza> went to conference -> was boring in places -> sounds about right
[23:06] <Flerb> mattbrejza: ah. I might watch one or two of the Sunday lectures on the site
[23:06] <Flerb> mattbrejza: heh
[23:06] <craag_philcrump> Flerb: Sunday lectures looked more interesting to me
[23:07] <craag_philcrump> although I'm up in london - so couldn't make it
[23:07] <pd3t> still didn't try to get the fc dongle running on linux
[23:07] <Maxell> pd3t: hah. I had one all day on 434.420 MHz: http://i.sigio.nl/b3e0f07c3a8f447c9d55be168c5ce22b.png
[23:07] <Flerb> craag_philcrump: it was a bit off putting to be honest
[23:07] <Flerb> Seems remarkably complex
[23:07] <Maxell> pd3t: just before the film ended he/she was watching I anncounced that I want to resolve the interferince issue.
[23:07] <Maxell> And to come meet me.
[23:08] <Maxell> Within 2 minutes wide band stereo was gone.
[23:08] <Maxell> Carriers still there... No modulation.
[23:08] <joeman2> can anyone recoommend what 'size' (length) a radar reflector should be?
[23:09] <joeman2> was thkning 50cm x 50cm square sheets - 3 of them all intersecting in centre
[23:09] <joeman2> I was just doing calcs on weight..and it would be quite heavy
[23:10] <Flerb> The iss presentation was interesting
[23:10] <Flerb> Again, far too complex and expensive for me
[23:12] <Maxell> good night
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[23:15] <craag_philcrump> Maxell: This commit in 3.21.67 is believed to have broken it
[23:15] <craag_philcrump> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/commit/0d4d55dcb2e6eafa7e26cadf07714758ef132daa
[23:16] <craag_philcrump> 'kahn demodulator' apparently is worse than what they had before, and very bad for high baudrates
[23:16] <pd3t> this damn thing is switching when you transmit on it's freq
[23:16] <pd3t> but always the wrong way ;)
[23:18] <pd3t> thinking f building a small xmit with a 440Hz tone to block the freq
[23:18] <fsphil> the newest version removed the choice of demodulator, and whatever is in there is pretty awful
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[23:19] <lz1dev> aprs overlay for hmt is now live :)
[23:19] <amell> pd3t: perhaps you could modulate a voice onto it. We are coming&
[23:20] <pd3t> module nothing just a 440 Tone very annoying
[23:21] <amell> can you not locate its source
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[23:22] <pd3t> next door neighbour
[23:23] <mattbrejza> daveake: http://uk.farnell.com/microchip/rn4020-v-rm/bluetooth-ver-4-1-2-4-2-48ghz-1mbps/dp/2442930 looks interesting if you wanted a BT module that isnt perhaps somewhat dodgy
[23:27] <tweetBot1> @daveake: Hoping to launch Superman on Saturday, to jump from his capsule at 28km. 2 SSDV channels, 4 trackers, batc streaming. #raspberrypi #ukhas
[23:33] <kc2pit_> kf7fer:, zzqa: I've also started looking really hard at SA818s for APRS. Any idea how long it takes NiceRF's Tindie store to ship them to the USA?
[23:34] Action: amell may launch kryptonite on Saturday
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[23:37] <Herman-PB0AHX> gm to all
[23:39] <amell> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HopeRF-RFM98W-433Mhz-LoRa-Ultra-Long-Range-Transceiver-SX1278-compatible-/181442620537?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a3ed2ac79 - £5.70 - not bad
[23:47] <lilafisch> my ublox max 7 claims to see 22 sattelites, but no fix
[23:47] <lilafisch> what am I doing wrong :(
[23:50] <ulfr> "is it plugged in?"
[23:50] <ulfr> How long have you waited, is there a good clear view of the sky?
[23:50] <ulfr> Any stuff that might be interfering the gps signal?
[23:51] <lilafisch> I was in the garden for 20 minutes
[23:51] <lilafisch> GPGSV said 22 for the third number
[23:51] <lilafisch> which I understand is the sattelite number (and which seems quite high)
[23:52] <lilafisch> now inside it went down to 17 and upstairs it's now between 18 and 21
[23:54] <lilafisch> interfering - not that I know off^^
[23:56] <ulfr> Hm..
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