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[06:00] <solitude> are these numbers right? didnt know it could lift 550 grams at 5m/s. http://i.imgur.com/vTc1h1N.jpg
[06:02] <Upu> looks fine to me
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[07:06] <MLow> hmm, that burst diameter for the pawan 600 on the calculator says 7.86m
[07:07] <MLow> everywhere i look the pawan 600 has a burst diameter of 5.8m
[07:09] <MLow> nvm the calculator doesnt update when you select a balloon
[07:09] <MLow> always says 7.86
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[08:30] <RocketBoy> !flights
[08:30] <SpacenearUS> 03RocketBoy: Current flights: 03PS-19 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(ea6f), 03irc bot test 10(719f), 03LORA1 10(6763), 03CHDK/SPARK/CHEAPO 10(89f5), 03N2NXZ-7 10(630b), 03VX-20 434.200/144.250 MHz 10(5d26), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[08:34] <x-f> first IRC bot in "space"!
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[08:40] <Maxell> !payload 719f
[08:40] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03ircbot 10(719f)
[08:40] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Callsigns: 0317A, 035thSCOUT
[08:40] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Tranmission #0: 035 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/350Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[08:40] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Tranmission #1: 03zxczxc - 037 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/350Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[08:40] <Maxell> lol
[08:47] <chimpusmaximus> Morning, I'm not sure if someone can point me in the right direction but I'm currently got a set-up using the pie in the sky board. Things have been working ell etc but I'm finding that i seem to be using a higher carrier shift than seems common.
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[08:47] <chimpusmaximus> I see most people sending back SSDV images etc use a carrier shift of 600, i'm finding i need 900.
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[09:12] <daveake> It's just the resistor values on the board. 900 is fine.
[09:12] <daveake> It just needs to be >= the baud rate, basically. Higher is fine.
[09:13] <chimpusmaximus> ok cool, cheers Dave
[09:14] <daveake> In the old days, with the rfm22 and ntx2 transmitters, they'd drift enough that you have to retune the receiver. The wider that gap the more often you'd have to do that. The NTX2B on the Pi board is very stable so the problem is gone
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[09:16] <arjun_> Hi
[09:17] <arjun_> I am looking for balloons for my launch, which brand is generally better: Hwoyee or Totex
[09:18] <daveake> depends what you want
[09:19] <daveake> hwoyee cheaper and tend to go a bit higher
[09:19] <daveake> totex more expensive but more reliable at bursting when they're supposed to
[09:19] <arjun_> Which ones do you use
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[09:21] <chimpusmaximus> Its been working pretty solid during testing. Made a few minor changes to the code to rotate camera and also log all telemetry to file.
[09:21] <arjun_> daveake : which ones do you use
[09:22] <chimpusmaximus> Its pain to troubleshoot unless you have access to a pi b.
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[09:24] <daveake> An A is fine with screen/keyboard, or if you have wifi set up
[09:24] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[09:25] <chimpusmaximus> true i guess just got so used to ssh. BMP180 is working fine as you suggested it would.
[09:25] <daveake> I always dev on a B though
[09:25] <daveake> ssh is great
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[09:36] <daveake> arjun_ Which to use depends on what you want, not on what I use. If you need to control the landing spot better, then Totex is the better option
[09:36] <arjun_> thanks daveake
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[09:37] <mfa298> I did try developing some stuff on a Pi over wifi but that was a pain when the wifi kept dropping out
[09:37] <mfa298> s/Pi/ Pi A/
[09:39] <daveake> Not had that, but just getting wifi set up is a minor pain so I just use a B for dev
[09:40] <mfa298> this had the added complication of static IP so it didn't seem to auto reconnect when it should - also a slightly dodgy AP firmware which made it drop sessions
[09:40] <daveake> ok
[09:41] <mfa298> I'd run out of B's at that point but I've got a small stack of them in the office now so that's less of an issue
[09:42] <daveake> Yeah I keep 3 of them around for this
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[09:42] <daveake> Needed all 3 for receiving yesterday :p
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[10:40] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
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[10:44] <simium> Hi, I'd like to have a doc flight approved, who could help me? Thanks
[10:45] <lz1dev> simium: pop in #habhub and give the id
[10:46] <simium> thanks lz1dev!
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[11:13] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[11:14] <Boelle_DK> Hi all, a nice lad is helping me with the autoamtic lisning station i pestered you all with last year.... we now got habrotate modded so it can use a GPS module from Upu instead of static pos.
[11:14] <Boelle_DK> so far so good... next step is for me to get the hardware done so an yagi which i got for free can be pointed in the right direction
[11:15] <Boelle_DK> this lad pointed out a very important Q last night.....
[11:15] <Boelle_DK> is the raspberry pi also be going to do decode etc etc....
[11:15] <Boelle_DK> gave it a long thought....
[11:15] <Boelle_DK> i know some say it cant and some say it can be done if you reduce all graphics etc to almost nill
[11:16] <Boelle_DK> also thought about just streaming the audio home and do decode there
[11:16] <Boelle_DK> there is one single gotcha.... most mobile broadband providers does not issue a public ip so you cant establish a connection from outside....
[11:16] <Boelle_DK> the pi has to call gome
[11:17] <Boelle_DK> home
[11:17] <Boelle_DK> a reverse SSH could be used to start the habrotate script....
[11:17] <Boelle_DK> but then we are total lost about the SDR dongle...
[11:17] <Boelle_DK> i only got it to show up with rtl_test
[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Whats wrong with using a dynamic DNS.
[11:18] <Boelle_DK> nothing.... ISP does not allow connections to be made from the outside
[11:18] <fsphil> really?
[11:18] <Boelle_DK> i cant call the pi.... but the pi can call home
[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> are you sure ?
[11:18] <fsphil> that's unusual -- only mobile operators here do that
[11:18] <Boelle_DK> the 4G dongle will not get an public ip
[11:19] <lz1dev> that NAT tho
[11:19] <lz1dev> only if there was an internet protocol that supported more ips
[11:20] <fsphil> indeed
[11:20] <fsphil> something like ipv4
[11:20] <fsphil> but better
[11:20] <fsphil> infact so good we can skip v5 entirely
[11:20] <Boelle_DK> but i know for sure thats how they do it.... no public ip...so i cant call the pi from home.... but the pi can on internet
[11:20] <craag_philcrump> And if only operators had followed the 4G LTE spec that mandates the use of this new (ipv4++)++
[11:21] <fsphil> Boelle_DK: VPN
[11:21] <Boelle_DK> the short of it is i cant establish a connection from home... since there is no public ip
[11:21] <Boelle_DK> fsphil: yep have thought about it much....
[11:21] <Boelle_DK> in one form or the other
[11:21] <fsphil> probably won't work anyway :)
[11:22] <craag_philcrump> openvpn works
[11:22] <fsphil> someone did recently post a screenshot of a pi running dl-fldigi and the rtlsdr ssb decoder
[11:22] Action: craag_philcrump has >30 pis using openvpn
[11:22] <fsphil> but no details at all
[11:22] <lz1dev> craag_philcrump: are you a bot net master?
[11:22] <craag_philcrump> lz1dev: ;)
[11:23] <Boelle_DK> so openvnp.... does the server part come in a windows flavour?
[11:23] <craag_philcrump> Well I asked on forums how to do a flashing LED, and they said pi was easier than arduino...
[11:23] <craag_philcrump> And I needed >30 LEDs
[11:24] <fsphil> hehe
[11:24] <lz1dev> so you got 30 pis 1 led each?
[11:25] <mfa298> fsphil: are you thinking of my picture of Pi decoding using the Java app (not dl-fldigi)
[11:25] <craag_philcrump> Well I needed the LEDs to flash quite fast, and pis are really slow
[11:26] <Boelle_DK> would very much also loved to see how the decode was done on the pi.... but a screenshot only is meeh kind of "thin"
[11:26] <fsphil> mfa298: nope
[11:26] <fsphil> so yea it is possible but good luck :)
[11:27] <mfa298> I had Pi with Java app and rtl_fm decoding a strong rtty signal successfully - although the setup was a bit buggy needed a reboot to retune the sdr.
[11:28] <mattbrejza> oh didnt realise you had it from a dongle
[11:28] <mattbrejza> or rather i might have forgotten
[11:29] <mfa298> the original test was with a seperate radio but I then got it working with rtl_fm as well :)
[11:29] <fsphil> I had awful trouble getting rtl_fm + aprs decoding to work
[11:29] <mattbrejza> ah nice :)
[11:29] <fsphil> and when it did work it was very unreliable
[11:29] <mfa298> as for that (ipv4++)++ if only there was a way to tunnel it over a nated IPv4 connection (something like sixxs and aiccu perhaps)
[11:30] <mfa298> rtl_fm seemed to be ok (it looks like it's had a lot of work recently) but aplay didn't like the stopping and starting
[11:30] <lz1dev> there is only one solution left then
[11:30] <mfa298> I should probably try running it via a fifo, that way aplay could keep going.
[11:30] <lz1dev> ipv4 over ICMP
[11:31] <mfa298> well you can do ipv4 over dns...
[11:31] <mfa298> so ipv6 tunneled in ipv4 tunneled in dns requests - thats going to work right :)
[11:32] <Boelle_DK> well.. i think i need the vpn anyway ......
[11:32] <lz1dev> or ipv4 over aprs
[11:32] <Boelle_DK> and i could make do with streaming to audo home and decode there
[11:32] <lz1dev> would make some local hams cry
[11:32] <lz1dev> sweet sweet ham tears
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[11:34] <mfa298> ipv6 at both ends means you don't need the vpn and it's globally accessible, at least for those of us using modern internet technology (it's only been around for 15 years you know)
[11:35] <Boelle_DK> is openvpn the best bet? i looked at saw that you can use amazon as the server and its free as long you dont use more than 2 clients at a time.... which would be great for me
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[11:36] <fsphil> you're complicating things
[11:36] <fsphil> just need openvpn client on pi
[11:36] <fsphil> openvpn server at whereever your home location is
[11:36] <mattbrejza> tbh just go and stand in a field with a laptop and atnenna
[11:36] <mattbrejza> sorted
[11:36] <fsphil> hehe yes
[11:36] <Boelle_DK> yep... but they dont have server packages for windows
[11:36] <fsphil> forget the pi
[11:37] <lz1dev> Boelle_DK: its the same thing
[11:37] <lz1dev> it can act as server or client, depends on config
[11:38] <lz1dev> it still probably doesn't have a gui for configuration
[11:38] <lz1dev> so you have to play with conf file
[11:38] <Boelle_DK> yep, but they dont have anything for windows.... so i thought that the in cloud thing would be the way
[11:38] <Boelle_DK> and remember that i cant contact the pi from home....
[11:38] <Boelle_DK> no public ip on the 4G dongle
[11:38] <lz1dev> they do have windows bins
[11:39] <Boelle_DK> they do....
[11:39] <Boelle_DK> hmmm
[11:39] <Boelle_DK> i only see linux flavours
[11:40] <Boelle_DK> https://openvpn.net/index.php/access-server/download-openvpn-as-sw.html
[11:41] <fsphil> boom
[11:41] <Boelle_DK> thanks
[11:42] <mattbrejza> why not just recieve aprs? itll be easier
[11:42] <lz1dev> _easier_
[11:42] <lz1dev> :)
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[11:43] <Boelle_DK> most habs does not use APRS still.... but i agree....
[11:43] <fsphil> depends where you are
[11:43] <fsphil> most in the US do
[11:44] <mattbrejza> well out of the habs passing over you in the last month what modulation have they used?
[11:45] <Boelle_DK> the last one i tried was one of leo's
[11:45] <Boelle_DK> cant remeber that... but it was not aprs
[11:45] <mattbrejza> leos have aprs
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[11:47] <Boelle_DK> aprs is just not as "fun"....
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[11:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VAYU-NTX - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=VAYU-NTX
[11:49] Action: mfa298 wonders how the modulation affects the fun if you have a pretty much hands off tracking station.
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[11:49] <lz1dev> random station mangles your packets
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[11:50] <Boelle_DK> why not use this link: http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=VAYU-NTX
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[11:50] <Boelle_DK> yep and there is no fun in that.... with aprs the trackers are prettu much not needed
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[11:51] <Boelle_DK> and its not what i'm after.... if i wanted i could have put up an igate and digipeater
[11:51] <Boelle_DK> and gone to bed
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[11:53] <daveake> sounds like a plan to me
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[11:55] <Boelle_DK> where is the fun part ?
[11:56] <daveake> Having something that works
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[12:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LORA2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=LORA2
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[13:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KRLV - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=KRLV
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[14:17] <cipjer> Can anyone explain what helium tank "getting cold" and stopping the realease of gas means?
[14:17] <daveake> gas cools when it expands
[14:18] <cipjer> and?
[14:18] <daveake> It's possible (perhaps on a cold, damp day) for the valve to freeze up
[14:18] <daveake> Never had it myself but I think it's happened to others a couple of times
[14:19] <cipjer> no, what I was told from someone I got the tank: "dont fill it all at once, stop after some time and resume after 10 seconds, otherwise the gas will get cold and not be released"
[14:20] <daveake> I see. And he/you think that the gas will warm up enough in 10 seconds to make a difference?
[14:20] <craag_philcrump> well if it gets cold enough it might liquify in the tank
[14:20] <craag_philcrump> but if this is He.....
[14:20] <craag_philcrump> It's not gonna happen!
[14:20] <daveake> nope
[14:21] <daveake> It's a gas
[14:21] <daveake> It's under pressure
[14:21] <daveake> It'll come out
[14:21] <craag_philcrump> (liquid He is -269 degrees)
[14:21] <cipjer> He basically says stop filling each 10-20 seconds so it wont get cold
[14:21] <daveake> He basically talk rubbish
[14:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Who was this telling you ?
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[14:21] <cipjer> some party guy renting helium tanks
[14:22] <Randomskk> valve could freeze shut, conceivably
[14:22] <daveake> He may well be thinking about the valve freezing
[14:22] <cipjer> valve?
[14:22] <daveake> valve
[14:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> in the top of the tank
[14:22] <daveake> bit that opens and closes
[14:23] <cipjer> OK, when does that happen? If I fill nonstop for a minute can that happen?
[14:23] <daveake> There's a tank valve (a knob on the top of the tank, for He) and a filler valve which attaches
[14:23] <daveake> No just open don't worry about it
[14:24] <cipjer> I just called him saying how the helium in the tank wasnt even enough to lift a filler tube and he said that
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[14:25] <cipjer> I even smelled and inhaled the gas to make sure its really helium
[14:25] <cipjer> not methane or something
[14:26] <daveake> It stopped coming out ?
[14:26] <gonzo_> breating pure helium is not safe. Most gas sold as balloon gas is about 10% air thoiugh, as they assume people will breath it!
[14:27] <cipjer> yes it stopped coming out
[14:28] tacitus (tacitus@theorize.org) got lost in the net-split.
[14:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> did it restart after a few seconds as he suggested ?
[14:28] <daveake> and did it start again after 10 seconds of waiting ...?
[14:28] <daveake> snap
[14:28] <cipjer> nope
[14:28] Nick change: craag_philcrump -> ukhasdotnet
[14:28] <cipjer> 30 minutes now
[14:28] Action: Geoff-G8DHE could it have been an empty tank ???
[14:29] <daveake> What size tank?
[14:29] <cipjer> no it filled the balloon quite a bit
[14:29] Nick change: ukhasdotnet -> craag_philcrump
[14:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> what size tank and what size balloon then?
[14:29] <daveake> well it appears to be empty now!
[14:30] <cipjer> 600 gram balloon, not sure about the tank. Used it before no problem
[14:30] <daveake> Hold on ...
[14:30] <daveake> ... unknown size tank used before used again now and you're surprised it's empty?
[14:30] <craag_philcrump> I assume a new tank?
[14:30] <craag_philcrump> since last time
[14:30] <daveake> Or do you mean same size of tank?
[14:30] <cipjer> no he said he filled it completely
[14:31] <daveake> Sounds unlikely that he did fill it
[14:31] <daveake> #1 you need to know what size of tank
[14:31] <daveake> in m^3
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> or if he did from a half empty tank maybe ...
[14:31] <daveake> yup
[14:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> if he filled it from an identical tank then it would have only been filled to halfway!
[14:32] <gonzo_> ideally you would have a pressure gauge, then you can be sure how much is actually in there
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[14:34] <cipjer> yes, same size tank as last time which was ok
[14:35] <fsphil> it's a new tank though?
[14:35] <Rebounder> ello
[14:35] <daveake> Take it back and demand satisfaction
[14:36] <daveake> And get him to check it's full with a pressure gauge
[14:36] <cipjer> so you're saying its unlikely I "froze" the valve
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[14:36] <daveake> After 30 minutes? Very
[14:36] <daveake> Feel it
[14:36] <fsphil> does it feel cold?
[14:36] <cipjer> not at all
[14:37] <daveake> Not frozen then
[14:37] <fsphil> most likely empty
[14:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> A frozen valve is when the water vapour inside or outside freezes around the vale
[14:37] <fsphil> there's a small chance the valve is broken
[14:37] <cipjer> Would it be really cold?
[14:37] <fsphil> but I've never heard of that happening
[14:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> 0°C
[14:38] <cipjer> Nah Id feel that
[14:38] <fsphil> yep :)
[14:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> quite!
[14:38] <cipjer> Ok giving the tank back and not paying then
[14:38] <fsphil> they definitly do get cold when filling
[14:39] <fsphil> never had frost or ice yet
[14:39] <cipjer> howmuch cold?
[14:39] <fsphil> didn't measure it
[14:40] <cipjer> I mean not 0C right?
[14:40] <fsphil> nah
[14:40] <cipjer> ok
[14:40] <fsphil> I could still hold onto it
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[14:40] <cipjer> I think I should just get pure hydrogen
[14:40] <cipjer> not even sure if their helium is pure anymore
[14:41] <fsphil> helium tanks are never pure unless you've paid a lot of money for them
[14:41] <Randomskk> not always true :P
[14:41] <fsphil> even then, it's probably not 100% pure
[14:41] <fsphil> you shush now
[14:43] <cipjer> well my definition of pure isntmuch
[14:43] <fsphil> balloon gas is normally fine
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[14:43] <fsphil> just makes the balloon burst slightly lower
[14:44] <Maxell> balloon gas, as in 60% helium?
[14:44] <fsphil> well not normally that low
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[14:45] <myier> we had a similar problem with STELLA-2 a few weeks ago, 2.7m^3 tank was empty before we could lift
[14:45] <myier> we think we were played by the helium seller
[14:46] <myier> either a not full tank or a very unpure helium
[14:46] <cipjer> might be low in this county
[14:46] <myier> this was in france
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[14:46] <myier> (for a 800g balloon)
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[14:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHEAPO - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=CHEAPO
[14:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SPARK - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=SPARK
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[14:58] <cipher_> what did you do myier? my connection failed
[15:01] <cipher_> also, what about hydrogen tanks? anything to know about using them?
[15:02] <craag_philcrump> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:hydrogen
[15:04] <cipher_> thanks, iread that. anything other than safety? Like anything special in the filling procedure?
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[15:05] <DutchMillbt> !flight cheapo
[15:05] <SpacenearUS> 03DutchMillbt: Flight 10(89f5): 03CHDK/SPARK/CHEAPO 10(3 payloads) - Launch date 03Today at 15:00 from 03Essex, UK 10(51.7093,0.57751)
[15:06] <craag_philcrump> cipher_: You need a proper regulator for it
[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> As well as the tank, don't you also need a valve to attach ?
[15:06] <myier> cipher_: which part did you miss? we just found another tank
[15:06] <craag_philcrump> That's as far as my knowledge goes
[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> snap
[15:06] <daveake> Separate purchase
[15:07] <daveake> Here, you buy and keep the regulator, and rent the cylinder
[15:07] <daveake> The regulator is expensive so you need to do several flights before H2 is cheaper than He
[15:08] <daveake> several = 3 :)
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[15:10] <myier> good to know
[15:10] <myier> does it work well with superpressure balloons too?
[15:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KRLV - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=KRLV
[15:11] <myier> oh a flight in spain
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[15:20] <M0PSX> @Chrisstubbs - Hi Chris. Good luck with the flight. Will try to track here in Southend
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[15:57] <chrisstubbs> abouty to launcgh
[15:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> ready to receive!
[15:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good Luck Chris! :-)
[15:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> No sign of CHDK ?
[15:58] <fsphil> good luck :)
[15:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> CHDK just came online by the looks
[15:58] <fsphil> annoyingly I'm not going to be home to receive
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[15:58] <fsphil> ooh KRLV is a new one
[15:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> New SSDV image coing down
[15:58] <fsphil> these are large pics :)
[15:58] <fsphil> not going to get many of them
[15:59] <fsphil> still love that the camera is doing this with just an ntx2
[15:59] <daveake> yup
[15:59] <daveake> 600 baud ?
[15:59] <fsphil> think so
[15:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> Roger 600bd
[15:59] <daveake> Quite a challenge that
[16:00] <fsphil> 600 would be right on the edge of what I can do without a yagi
[16:00] <fsphil> at typical distances
[16:00] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/CHDK
[16:00] <fsphil> better url
[16:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers Phil
[16:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> Here we go - Launched!
[16:05] <Rebounder> :)
[16:05] <fsphil> no image data
[16:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> I can hear CHEAPO
[16:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> Got CHDK on 434.321.01 V Noisy though
[16:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh, here we are, stronger
[16:06] <fsphil> ah new image data
[16:08] <tweetBot1> @G8DHE: HAB UPDATE: Tracking for previous is http://t.co/7Xj8ddK3Xx #ukhas #hamr #hab
[16:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> G8KNN_: What bandwidth have you set please?
[16:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> No worries, Ii've managed to get a packet @760Hz shift
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[16:11] <tweetBot1> @daveake: Blog post re yesterday's LoRa flight http://t.co/qyoVOHkZzZ #UKHAS #RaspberryPi
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[16:13] <chrisstubbs> yo
[16:13] <chrisstubbs> up
[16:13] <chrisstubbs> getting SSDV :D
[16:14] <mattbrejza> good thing you waited for the ground pic to finish
[16:14] <mattbrejza> !dial CHDK
[16:14] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[16:14] <chrisstubbs> 434.320
[16:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> CHDK Dial is 434.321.01 for 1500 center
[16:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> Banging signal here chrisstubbs
[16:14] <chrisstubbs> awesome
[16:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Getting SSDV Packets every 4 secs or so
[16:15] <mattbrejza> is it 600 separation?
[16:15] <chrisstubbs> yeah
[16:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Mine is set to 760Hz
[16:15] <chrisstubbs> predicted landing site 3km away XD
[16:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/CHEAPOetal_20140904/
[16:16] <mattbrejza> glad someone paid attention (potentially) to me repeatedly going on about shift being multiples of baud
[16:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm going to screen capture this and show the guys at TARG tomorrow evening - Hi TARG Guys :-)
[16:17] <MaXimaN> Decoding SSDV
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[16:17] <MaXimaN> Mine is set to 750Hz separation also
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[16:17] <fsphil> oh nice image
[16:18] <fsphil> bbl, and good luck :)
[16:18] <chrisstubbs> oh my
[16:18] <chrisstubbs> wow
[16:19] <chrisstubbs> ssdv is working a treat
[16:19] <chrisstubbs> all your help has paid off fsphil :)
[16:19] <mattbrejza> the shift looks to be 600 dead on
[16:19] <MaXimaN> yeah, that's an awesome picture!
[16:19] <mattbrejza> going on the nulls
[16:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Which camera Chris?
[16:19] <MaXimaN> chris: What camera are you flying?
[16:19] <MaXimaN> (ditto)
[16:19] <MaXimaN> A Canon...
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[16:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> Looks like the balloon is going straight up
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[16:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> 12.6m/s climb rate!
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[16:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> ah thats better down to more normal figures
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[16:25] <mattbrejza> one of the payloads has a funky gps
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[16:25] <mattbrejza> in terms of altitude reporting
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[16:25] <MaXimaN> !payload CHEAPO
[16:25] <SpacenearUS> 03MaXimaN: Payload 03CheapoPico 10(89f5) 03$$CHEAPO - 03main - 03434.3 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/450Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[16:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Crept up in frequency - Now 434.320.50 for 1500 center
[16:26] <mattbrejza> chrisstubbs: better get in the cahsecar soon if you want to retreive this :P
[16:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> I can hear CHEAPO on my handheld scanner indoors
[16:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> but its got a horrible drift to it almost sawtooth!
[16:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> It is a little drifty, yes
[16:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> drift is almost the wrong word its a low frequency modulation!
[16:29] <chrisstubbs> mattbrejza, its landing 3km away :P
[16:29] <mattbrejza> chasebike!
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[16:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> Amazing to think that those clouds are the ones above me right now
[16:31] <MaXimaN> Is CHEAPO wavering a lot? i'm trying to decode without success. it's all over the waterfall
[16:31] <Upu> that is some catastrophic drift :)
[16:31] <MaXimaN> Basically :)
[16:33] <Upu> what is SPARK on ?
[16:33] <Upu> !dial SPARK
[16:33] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Payload 03SPARK 10(89f5) 03$$SPARK - 03Primary - 03434.4 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[16:34] <Rebounder> cool pisc
[16:34] <Rebounder> pics
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[16:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like the Thames is the dark line
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[16:39] <PE2G> Great decoding of CHDK, never before I managed to decode 600 bd below the horizon
[16:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its a strong signal 10Mw I think
[16:40] <PE2G> That would explain it
[16:40] <chrisstubbs> cheapo has lost gps :/
[16:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> which Tx on CHEAPO ?
[16:42] <chrisstubbs> rfm22b
[16:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> and on SPARK ?
[16:42] <Upu> why isn't cheapo updating ?
[16:42] <Upu> I'm decoding ok
[16:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its decoding all the same
[16:43] <chrisstubbs> cheapo seems to have lost gps
[16:43] <Upu> oh yes
[16:43] <Upu> on the plus side its more stable :)
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[16:46] <chrisstubbs> aha
[16:46] <chrisstubbs> fingers crossed it comes back
[16:46] <chrisstubbs> good news is spark has made it over the COCOM limit
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[16:46] <Upu> not good news :P
[16:47] <JP> Huh I just picked up cheapo really well then suddenly lost it...
[16:47] <Upu> great pics though
[16:47] <Upu> coming in really well
[16:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VX-20 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=VX-20
[16:48] <JP> !flight
[16:48] <SpacenearUS> 03JP: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[16:48] <JP> !flight SPARK
[16:48] <SpacenearUS> 03JP: Flight 10(89f5): 03CHDK/SPARK/CHEAPO 10(3 payloads) - Launch date 03Today at 15:00 from 03Essex, UK 10(51.7093,0.57751)
[16:48] <JP> !payload SPARK
[16:48] <SpacenearUS> 03JP: Payload 03SPARK 10(89f5) 03$$SPARK - 03Primary - 03434.4 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[16:51] <JP> !payload CHEAPO
[16:51] <SpacenearUS> 03JP: Payload 03CheapoPico 10(89f5) 03$$CHEAPO - 03main - 03434.3 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/450Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[16:52] <Scott85> so I've got an antenna and that set up now
[16:52] <chrisstubbs> signal from cheapo seems way stronger than spark
[16:53] <Scott85> just wondering if there is a list of what's transmitting and at what frequency?
[16:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> Chris did an announcement on the UKHAS Google Group Scott85
[16:53] <Scott85> cause I'm picking something up at 432?
[16:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> !f;ights
[16:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> Unlikely to be a HAB
[16:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flights
[16:54] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Current flights: 03irc bot test 10(719f), 03LORA1 10(6763), 03CHDK/SPARK/CHEAPO 10(89f5), 03N2NXZ-7 10(630b), 03VX-20 434.200/144.250 MHz 10(5d26), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[16:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> !payload SPARK
[16:54] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Payload 03SPARK 10(89f5) 03$$SPARK - 03Primary - 03434.4 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[16:54] <PE2G> Scott85: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/ukhas/Oo8WJWhQCRU/X5jRHtZewp4J
[16:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> I just found out that switching the AFC off in DLFLDigi makes a LOT of difference to the amount of packets you get
[16:57] <mattbrejza> really? ive got it on and i havnt lost a packet on the current image
[16:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm gettng every one now, I was getting 1 in 3
[16:58] <mattbrejza> what happens if you change the shift to 600 and turn on afc
[16:58] <mattbrejza> ?
[16:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> Appear not to be getting any at all
[16:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> The shift on CHDK seems a lot larger than specified! looks more like 1200Hz I'm at 1000Hz and still not aligned!
[16:59] <mattbrejza> the shift is 600 :/
[17:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> I just reset my shoft to 740 with no AFC and I'm getting every one again.
[17:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> shift even
[17:00] <Brian-G0HDI_> I altered my shift to 700 . Wasn't getting pics 'till then
[17:00] <chrisstubbs> anyone had a decode from spark recently? its a bit stuck
[17:00] <mattbrejza> so you have to manual AFC as it drifts?
[17:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> My w/f lines at 1000Hz http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/CHEAPOetal_20140904/wf2.png
[17:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> No, I@m not following it. It'snot drifting too badly
[17:01] <Brian-G0HDI_> AFC's coping ok
[17:01] <mattbrejza> http://i.imgur.com/9xXfiUv.png for me
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[17:02] <mattbrejza> you dont necessarily want your cursors on the brightest bit of yellow
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[17:03] <mattbrejza> hmm actually its not 600 :P
[17:04] <Ron_G8FJG> pushed mine to 780 but had to increase rx filter b/w to 500 hz ...afc on ..only losing 1 or 2 per picture
[17:04] <mattbrejza> signal is so strong it doesnt really matter
[17:04] <mattbrejza> here
[17:04] <mattbrejza> well the rx filter should be at least 600 i think
[17:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes agree on that
[17:05] <Scott85> I'm not picking up anything in Nottingham :(
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[17:05] <Ron_G8FJG> I dont fancy ajusting it anymore while its working!
[17:05] <Brian-G0HDI_> Doesn't the filter bars have to reach the yellox limit?
[17:05] <PE2G> I 've shift 1000, receive filter 750, AFC speed normal and miss hardly any packet
[17:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> agreed
[17:06] <mattbrejza> well what the filter needs setting to depends on how fldigis filters work, but on auto it reckons 600Hz
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[17:07] <Brian-G0HDI_> Oh well it's working now, so if it aint broke lol
[17:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes but Auto simply sets the Baud rate as the filter width
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[17:07] <mattbrejza> and for hte record i think the actual shift is dead on 1200 :P
[17:07] <PE2G> At 600 Hz filiter bandwidth it didn't work here
[17:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi, what are the freq for cheapo and spark?
[17:08] <mattbrejza> due to the way the nulls for each tone are at the same point
[17:08] <Brian-G0HDI_> I didn't notice the Auto box. I am a silly person!
[17:10] <MaXimaN> Retuned CHEAPO and tracking again
[17:10] <MaXimaN> That'll teach me for stepping away from my desk at work
[17:10] <Brian-G0HDI_> .298 and .400 respectively I believe
[17:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Auto only really works well on a stable signal, if it drifts to fast then the AFC can't track sufficently fast enougth
[17:11] <Brian-G0HDI_> Well there you go, elbow the auto , go to 700 and AFC
[17:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> UFO on Image 7
[17:13] <Brian-G0HDI_> Could be right there
[17:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Even if its a speck on the lens its flying ;-)
[17:15] <Brian-G0HDI_> Wrong shap or a Klingon
[17:16] <Brian-G0HDI_> or even wrong shape doh!
[17:16] <MaXimaN> Not a single packet dropped on these images. Fantastic.
[17:16] <daveake> buy' ngop
[17:17] <bertrik> meh, dl-fldigi crashes so easily in the 600 baud mode
[17:18] <Brian-G0HDI_> I know. Mine did a couple of times. Nuisance!
[17:18] <PE2G> bertrik: On Windows?
[17:19] <bertrik> yes
[17:19] <Brian-G0HDI_> XP
[17:19] <bertrik> nice SSDV images coming in by the way
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[17:20] <PE2G> bertrik: I noticed the same. it wont crash at 600 bd on Ubuntu
[17:20] <Scott85> not a peep from where I am
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[17:24] <PE2G> Oh, i hadn't noticed that we're descending...
[17:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes
[17:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M6edf_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=M6edf_chase
[17:25] <PE2G> Soft burst
[17:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03chrisstubbs_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=chrisstubbs_chase
[17:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh Cheapo stopped mid stream
[17:29] <Upu> yup
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[17:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its back
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[17:30] <Upu> well by back you mean its diagonal
[17:30] <[1]chrisstubbs> Geoff-G8DHE, dial?
[17:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes 434.298 climbing fast
[17:31] <Upu> its going so quickly its could compensate for the doppler from orbit
[17:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Gone again
[17:31] <Upu> gone again
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[17:33] <PE2BZ> Did cheapo suddenly switch off ? Was turning my antenna towards Cheapo, signal raised to S9 and then suddenly away it was :-(
[17:33] <Upu> yes
[17:33] <Upu> may be back
[17:33] <MaXimaN> Yeah, I lost CHEAPO too
[17:33] <MaXimaN> Tracking SPARk now
[17:33] <Upu> extreme power saving
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[17:36] <[1]chrisstubbs> where does spark think its going
[17:37] <DG0MG> hi all, where can i find further information abt VX-20 ? freq? mod?
[17:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> !payload VX-20
[17:37] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Payload 03vx-20 10(5d26) 03$$VX-20 - 03SP9UOB DominoEX payload - 03144.25 MHz USB 03DominoEX with speed 0316
[17:38] <DG0MG> ah, ok - thank you
[17:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flight 5d26
[17:38] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Flight 10(5d26): 03VX-20 434.200/144.250 MHz 10(2 payloads) - Launch date 03Today at 15:00 from 03Slezská Ostrava, Czech Republic 10(49.8752,18.2977)
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[17:39] <[1]chrisstubbs> so spark seems to think its at a fixed altitude and going quite fast (dead reckoning?) and cheapo has died
[17:39] <[1]chrisstubbs> #disasterhab
[17:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> DF aerial to the ready!
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[17:42] <[1]chrisstubbs> there may be a perfectly timed ssdv image
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[17:42] <Upu> so no 18km limit but a 19km one ? :/
[17:42] <[1]chrisstubbs> people shout as they lose it please, i have no idea how close it is to landing
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[17:43] <[1]chrisstubbs> well done navspark on that one
[17:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Cheapo is back low of .300 and falling
[17:43] <Upu> SPARK should come back though
[17:43] <Upu> and when CHEAPO settles down it should be ok as well
[17:43] <Ron_G8FJG> still45 over noise with me
[17:43] <Upu> catostropodrift
[17:43] <Upu> should put one of these in space :/
[17:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> .298500 and falling
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[17:44] <Upu> cheapo is ok ?
[17:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its back
[17:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.298
[17:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> stable ...... going up!
[17:45] <Upu> all gone for me
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[17:46] <es5nhc> Awesome pics coming in BTW
[17:46] <es5nhc> Probably takes quite a long time to TX though
[17:46] <Upu> spark reporting alt ?
[17:46] <Upu> sort of
[17:47] <MaXimaN> Back to tracking CHEAPO now
[17:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Down behind the Downs for me
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[17:49] <MaXimaN> I could be wrong, but I suspect SPARK is drawing something rude on the map
[17:49] <Upu> chrisstubbs is there a 1km long cable between the payloads ? :)
[17:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think he used elastic it was over 9Km at one point!
[17:51] <gonzo__> someone could get a hell of a slap if that snapped!
[17:51] <es5nhc> Which payload has the camera?
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[17:53] <Upu> the camera is the payload es5nhc its a Canon A560 doing SSDV via the chip in it
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[17:54] <es5nhc> Aha, nice
[17:54] <es5nhc> I mean which object is it on SNUS
[17:54] <Upu> it isn't
[17:54] <Upu> doesn't transmit telemetry
[17:55] <es5nhc> Ah OK
[17:55] <Upu> just images http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[17:55] <Upu> but its attached to CHEAPO and SPARK
[17:55] <Upu> though I'm dubious about the current position of spark
[17:55] <es5nhc> Aa, that's what I wanted to know
[17:55] <es5nhc> So it is descending along with others
[17:55] <Upu> suspect its on the ground now
[17:56] <es5nhc> I see you are having hardly any winds at all altitude positions judging by the ground track
[17:56] <es5nhc> Apparently there still is contact
[17:57] <Ron_G8FJG> dropped like a stone at the end
[17:57] <es5nhc> with CHEAPO
[17:57] <es5nhc> SSDV packets have stopped too I see
[18:01] <es5nhc> Someone chasing with connection to snus etc? M6EDF/M(of course the callsign is a telltale sign ;)) still getting packets from Cheapo
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[18:04] <MaXimaN> Chris is on his way by the looks of things
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[18:07] <es5nhc> Judging by satellite image it landed on an edge of the field
[18:07] <MaXimaN> Yep
[18:07] <es5nhc> Locals must be WTH
[18:07] <MaXimaN> And he's driven onto it if the icon can be believed ;)
[18:08] <MaXimaN> I'm assuming he's walking around with a yagi, rather than spinning donuts in the mud ;)
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[18:08] <es5nhc> M6EDF chase also there... I guess that's also the source of on the ground positions on snus :)
[18:09] <MaXimaN> Decoding some SSDV would surely help?
[18:10] <MaXimaN> Next time Google update that area of their maps it'll have a huge circle of car tyre tracks in that field
[18:10] <es5nhc> lol
[18:11] <es5nhc> Chris position has teleported
[18:12] <MaXimaN> Damn that warped space-time continuum
[18:13] <es5nhc> BTW. The road next to the field is on Street View
[18:17] <MaXimaN> Looks like he's recovered it and he's returning to the road
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[18:18] <MaXimaN> ...or not
[18:19] <MaXimaN> Trespass mode activated!
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[18:20] <[1]chrisstubbs> recovered
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[18:21] <MaXimaN> Yay!
[18:21] <[1]chrisstubbs> thanks for tracking guys, its been a rollercoaster ride ;)
[18:21] <es5nhc> Nice
[18:21] <MaXimaN> Great flight
[18:21] <es5nhc> How did locals react?
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[18:44] <es5nhc> Having some tropo towards FInland here
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[18:48] Nick change: cross_ -> cross
[18:56] <mclane_> evening all
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[18:57] <mclane_> apparently, the navspark tracker did not work well?
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[19:02] <mclane_> apparently, the navspark tracker did not work well?
[19:03] <Upu> seemed to top out at 19km and then didn't recover properly
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[19:03] <Upu> though lets see what chrisstubbs's report on it is
[19:04] <fsphil> very nice pics
[19:04] <fsphil> jpeg does not like clouds though!
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[19:05] <mclane_> Upu: your shipment arrived today, thanks!
[19:05] <Upu> assume the originals will be stored on the card
[19:05] <Upu> great to hear mclane
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[19:17] <chrisstubbs> yo
[19:17] <chrisstubbs> just unpacking
[19:17] <chrisstubbs> 10 mins
[19:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Chris :-) Great flight
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[19:22] <Upu> hi chrisstubbs love the pics
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[19:23] <Upu> the signal from the Canon was very strong
[19:23] <Upu> accidentally get a HP module on there ? :)
[19:24] <chrisstubbs> surprisingly the thing I thought most likley to go wrong worked perfectly
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[19:24] <chrisstubbs> and the tried and tested cheapo failed
[19:24] <MaXimaN> Failed?
[19:24] <Upu> yeah that wasn't happy at all
[19:24] <chrisstubbs> navspark was totally untested at altitude
[19:24] <MaXimaN> Tracked it most of the way up and down
[19:24] <MaXimaN> Except the drop out at the top and the driftageddon :)
[19:24] <Upu> seems to cap out @ 19km
[19:24] <Upu> then not lock properly afterwards
[19:25] <chrisstubbs> I thought the battery died but it came back up to 1.2v, perhaps it just got cold. But it was a lithium... hey ho
[19:25] <chrisstubbs> data to dig through, the ssdv photos look amazing, lets check out the gopro footage :)
[19:25] <Upu> Q: Will the NavSpark be suitable for high altitude ballooning? How is COCOM limit
[19:25] <Upu> implemented?
[19:25] <Upu> A: Either of 18km altitude or 1000knot speed threshold can be exceeded and itll still
[19:25] <Upu> work. If both simultaneously exceeded then itll not give valid results.
[19:25] <chrisstubbs> lies
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[19:26] <Upu> or 19km.. :)
[19:26] <Upu> this is Adafruit territory this
[19:26] <Upu> sure works fine above 18km
[19:26] <Upu> all the way to 19km where it stops
[19:26] <chrisstubbs> There was a balloon mode in the arduino libs for it :P and thats the mode I put it in
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[19:28] <mclane_> what is the reason for the steps in the altitude curve on habhub?
[19:28] <chrisstubbs> where it stopped and started working :P
[19:29] <chrisstubbs> I assume it went into some kind of dead reckoning mode as it seemed to carry on with its current path at a roughly fixed altitude
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[19:29] <mclane_> so it does not seem to be very usable for habbing
[19:30] <chrisstubbs> super easy to code, but right now no not ideal. Might just need some modes changing so we will see.
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[19:37] <chimpusmaximus> Not seen the Navspark before, is their a supplier in UK?
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[19:41] <jededu> Ping upu
[19:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all :-)
[19:41] <Upu> hey Tom
[19:41] <Upu> hi jededu
[19:41] <jededu> PM :)
[19:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> hey Upu :-)
[19:42] <Upu> always a PM :)
[19:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: maybe you should turn yours dog into spider: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoB8t0B4jx4 hahahhahah :-)
[19:43] <Upu> just lol
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[19:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening Sven
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[20:00] <Rebounder> evening it is :)
[20:01] <DL7AD> g'evening
[20:02] <Rebounder> SP9UOB-Tom: any upcoming flights?
[20:02] <lz1dev> SP9UOB-Tom: i prefer the killer clown
[20:02] <lz1dev> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHjGtBnSv50
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[20:03] <chrisstubbs> omg that spider dog
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[20:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> Rebounder: VX-20 in progress :-)
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[20:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> lz1dev: lol
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[20:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> !whereis VX-20
[20:17] <SpacenearUS> 03SP9UOB-Tom: 03VX-20 is over 03Olomouc District, Czech Republic 10(49.84501,17.46857) at 036812 meters
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[20:28] <MLow> thats a pretty low float
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[20:29] <MLow> well 7km is pretty high but
[20:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> MLow: it should rise at the morning
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[20:33] <MLow> hm
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[20:48] <Rebounder> SP9UOB-Tom: cool!
[20:51] <Rebounder> !flights
[20:51] <SpacenearUS> 03Rebounder: Current flights: 03irc bot test 10(719f), 03LORA1 10(6763), 03CHDK/SPARK/CHEAPO 10(89f5), 03N2NXZ-7 10(630b), 03VX-20 434.200/144.250 MHz 10(5d26), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[20:56] Nick change: Randomskk -> adamgreig
[20:58] <chrisstubbs> I spy something beginning with P? http://i.imgur.com/HbQzrvM.jpg
[20:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> Pershing ;-)
[20:59] <malgar> !whereis b-66
[20:59] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-66 was over 03Kalmansky District, Altai Krai, Russia 10(53.0078,83.0759) at 0313472 meters about 037 days ago
[20:59] <malgar> !whereis b-64
[20:59] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-64 was over 03Division No. 18, SK, Canada 10(54.9006,-102.7709) at 0312165 meters about 033 days ago
[21:00] <arko> !whereis carmen sandiego
[21:00] <SpacenearUS> 03arko: I haven't got a clue
[21:00] <arko> NO ONE DOES
[21:01] <chrisstubbs> !whereis spark
[21:01] <SpacenearUS> 03chrisstubbs: 03SPARK was over 03Essex, UK 10(51.69161,0.53189) at 033607 meters about 033 hours ago
[21:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> hi Arko, how was Yours Eurotrip :) ?
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[21:15] <arko> SP9UOB-Tom: awesome9000 :D
[21:15] <SP9UOB-Tom> arko: ;-)) You have my invitation to Poland after 2015 conference :-)
[21:16] <arko> :D
[21:16] <arko> i would like to some day
[21:16] <arko> i'm going to CCC camp
[21:16] <arko> next year too
[21:16] <arko> so maybe
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[21:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> arko: ny house will be finished, and guest room (also radio shack) will be ready - so Yo're invited :-) There is lots of things to see in my region :-)
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[21:18] <arko> awesome!
[21:18] <arko> thanks man!
[21:18] <arko> :)
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> hi arko :)
[21:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> ;-)
[21:21] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[21:22] <chrisstubbs> Where have you been SpacenearUS?
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[21:24] <SP9UOB-Tom> arko: for example: http://www.kopalniasrebra.pl/EN/
[21:24] <arko> :O
[21:24] <arko> woah
[21:24] <arko> awesome!
[21:25] <arko> hi Lunar_Lander
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> Tom cool!
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> I also got something that was on TV tonight :)
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64yV2ecsGbg&feature=youtu.be
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> german talk only, but I only say that the car now has some H2 in the tank and it seems that the fuel cell does not give continous power due to having not enough H2
[21:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> Lunar_Lander: cool
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> and the one guy at the TV show like gave me the car because he said he spent hours and it did nothing
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> he was amazed that I got the motor to do at least something
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[21:32] <fsphil> hydrogen cars are probably doomed to failure
[21:32] <fsphil> so your experiment is not far from reality :)
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> The real problem with hydrogen cars is that no paint will stick to hydrogen
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> (please also note the coffee cup rings on the table :D)
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[21:41] <cm13g09> fsphil: thought you'd float the idea of a hydrogen car....?
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[21:44] <fsphil> I'm not reacting
[21:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> good night all
[21:45] <fsphil> night tom
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[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah helium :D
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[21:48] <cm13g09> Lunar_Lander: He seems to have floated off....
[21:48] <cm13g09> thought I'd better lighten the tone....
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[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[21:53] <cm13g09> Lunar_Lander: The only problem I have at the moment... I'm powerless.....
[21:53] <cm13g09> I blame craag_philcrump
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> oh why is that?
[21:53] <cm13g09> he has my 16A power crate.....
[21:54] <mattbrejza> well he certainly hasnt floated off with your poewr crate
[21:54] <cm13g09> mattbrejza: no...
[21:54] <cm13g09> it kinda weighs a tonne doesn't it!?
[21:55] <mattbrejza> who would have thought a big box of copper would weigh so much
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[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:57] <amell> blimey, just looking at snus, looks like chrisstubbs had an interesting flight :)
[21:58] <cm13g09> well, my power crate just arrived back :)
[21:59] <amell> I guess the conclusion we can infer from this flight is that navspark is no good for hab?
[22:00] <chrisstubbs> As it stands, not great
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[22:00] <amell> it never got many GPS sats, and interesting that glosnass sats just went to zero.
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[22:01] <amell> chrisstubbs: do you need to set any specific flightmodes?
[22:02] <amell> Max. Altitude: 19000 m
[22:03] <amell> oh wow. just seen the altitude staircase diagram!
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[22:05] <chrisstubbs> There isnt much documentation about using those things at altitude apart from "it should work so long as you dont exceed 18km and x00m/s at the same time"
[22:05] <amell> will you be feeding back these results to the navspark developers?
[22:05] <chrisstubbs> Yeah I plan to have a word
[22:05] <chrisstubbs> there are flight modes you can set, which I thought I did. But cant find in my code glancing back
[22:06] <amell> might be something simple or something fundamental that cant be fixed.
[22:06] <chrisstubbs> when I say flight modes I mean more like navigation modes
[22:06] <amell> any idea what chipset this navspark uses for GPS?
[22:08] <amell> Skytraq Venus 822
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[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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[22:24] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2014-09-04--17-00-40-CHDK-1610.jpeg -- moon
[22:25] <fsphil> shots like that show just how dark the moon is
[22:25] <kf7fer> "There's a moon in the sky. It's called the moon" (for you B-52 fans)
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[22:26] <kf7fer> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khQiqFArffo just to follow thru with a useless reference
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[23:21] <RocketBoy> hey amell - I read that you lived just down the road from the landing spot yesterday
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