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[08:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BALYOLO - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=BALYOLO
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[08:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=M0RPI_chase
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[09:39] <tweetBot1> @daveake: Comp. of 4 430MHz aerials, w/ same Tx and moved from meter till the SS dropped below 1 bar. LPRS and SRH519 win over Chinese no-names #UKHAS
[09:40] <tweetBot1> @daveake: oops, and here's the pic #UKHAS. So, if you're using a ready made aerial instead of making a 1/4 wave, test it! http://t.co/8FXUFfi7mM
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[09:43] Action: adamgreig is now AD6AM o/
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[09:45] <fsphil> greetings AD6AM
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[09:53] <WillDWork> nice little meter there Daveake - is this a standard bit of kit in the arsenal of HAB?
[09:54] <fsphil> useful for making sure the antenna actually works
[09:55] <gonzo__> though it's difficult to get a gp wrong. (Well, some manage it!)
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[09:57] <daveake> I'd rate it essential
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[09:59] <daveake> I had a short on a gp aerial due to dodgy cutting/soldering, and this spotted it shortly before launch
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[10:01] <amell> doesnt a waterfall display substitute for such a meter?
[10:01] Action: amell wonders where balyolo is flying today
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[10:04] <daveake> use what you want but this is very convenient
[10:04] <mfa298> a Signal Strength/ Field Strength meter is probably easier to use to judge how string the signal is compared to doing it based on the waterfall. There's also less things to worry about (microphone / radio agc adjusting things automagically)
[10:05] <tweetBot1> @G7IGB: Spread Spectrum and SSDV on 434 MHz Balloon: Today after 11am, David Akerman M0RPI hopes... http://t.co/zob82nJgxm #hamradio #ukhas
[10:05] <daveake> also gives you the exact frequency which is handy if you've forgotten :p
[10:05] <amell> oh right. will look into these.
[10:05] <daveake> They're dead cheap
[10:06] <daveake> Upu has one with a reading in dBm which might be better
[10:06] <WillDWork> i like the sound of those
[10:07] <daveake> I got the idea from Steve
[10:07] <amell> that reminds me, what time is he launching
[10:07] <daveake> Diary says 13:00 (UTC I think)
[10:07] <fsphil> "after 11am" ... well technically they're correct
[10:07] <mfa298> I've got something like http://www.radioworld.co.uk/MFJ-802X_Field_Strength_Remote_Meter_combo although I'm not sure it cost that much.
[10:08] <amell> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-AXIS-RF-Radiation-ElectroSmog-Power-Meter-Tester-50Mz-3-5GHz-MADE-in-TAIWAN-/161338983421?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Other&hash=item25908d83fd
[10:09] <mfa298> heh: In addition,this meter is Made in Taiwan, you can be sure of its high quality and accuracy.
[10:09] <amell> of course, all the best products are Made in Taiwan
[10:10] <mfa298> sounds like a dig at all the Made in China stuff.
[10:10] <UpuWork> hmm random
[10:17] <WillDWork> http://www.amazon.co.uk/GOOIT-GY560-50MHz-2-4GHz-Digital-Frequency-White/dp/B00ECTR008
[10:17] <WillDWork> looks like the badger
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[10:21] <mattbrejza> !ping lora1
[10:21] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: No contact from 03lora1
[10:24] <daveake> steady on hours to go yet :)
[10:24] <fsphil> lora time to wait
[10:25] <daveake> I'm recoding it now to send morse instead
[10:26] <fsphil> what the [beep]
[10:26] <daveake> After that I'm going to remove the engine from my chase car and tow it from a pushbike
[10:26] <daveake> more mpg you see
[10:27] <fsphil> might increase recovery time
[10:29] <daveake> balyolo up
[10:29] <mfa298> fsphil: don't you mean what the [beep] [beep] [beep] [beep] [beep] [beep] [beeeeeep] [beep] [beep] (you get the idea and I'm bored now)
[10:29] <fsphil> hihi
[10:33] <amell> headed north
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[10:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03XABEN0 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=XABEN0
[10:39] <daveake> popular day for ballooning
[10:39] <JP> what freq is BALYOLO on?
[10:42] <UpuWork> !flights
[10:42] <SpacenearUS> 03UpuWork: Current flights: 03EMF1 10(ac03), 03XABEN79 10(1647), 03BALYOLO7 10(46b2), 03PS-19 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(ea6f), 03LORA1 10(6763), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[10:43] <UpuWork> !flight BALYOLO7
[10:43] <SpacenearUS> 03UpuWork: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[10:43] <UpuWork> !flight 46b2
[10:43] <SpacenearUS> 03UpuWork: Flight 10(46b2): 03BALYOLO7 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 10:00 from 03Buckinghamshire, UK 10(51.84278,-0.97145)
[10:43] <Maxell> !payload BALYOLO7
[10:43] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:43] <Maxell> !payload 46b2
[10:43] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03BALYOLO 10(46b2) - 03434.5 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/500Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[10:43] <Maxell> hmm
[10:43] <UpuWork> oh yeah 434.LEO
[10:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> We should get the IARU to officially name it
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[10:45] <UpuWork> http://i.imgur.com/3kKCg78.jpg
[10:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> ROTFL :D
[10:48] <Brian-G0HDI> Green BALYOLO on 434.502 50/560 7n2
[10:48] <JP> ok then
[10:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> Looks like everything is travelling away from me today
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[10:53] <daveake> Is BALYOLO meant to be a floater?
[10:54] <craag_philcrump> hehe
[10:55] <fsphil> whoops
[10:55] <JP> !payload 1647
[10:55] <SpacenearUS> 03JP: Payload 03XABEN0 10(1647) - 03434.3 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/600Hz ASCII-7 none 2
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[11:01] <craag_philcrump> FuzzyLemon: Going for float?
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[11:14] <tweetBot1> @daveake: #UKHASNet node ready to fly #UKHAS http://t.co/JPIRebB5QW
[11:14] <daveake> stupid rotate fail
[11:15] <fsphil> nice container
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[11:18] <daveake> Buzz (a round plug 'n' pava) is in another one
[11:20] <craag_philcrump> Has anyone tried the 434 rfm69 doing rtty?
[11:20] <craag_philcrump> The rfm69 seems to be better from a register-retention pov, wondering whether they've improved the crystal.
[11:21] <gonzo__> balyolo in the air. Not seen any announcement?
[11:22] <daveake> Not on the mailing list but is in the calendar
[11:22] <craag_philcrump> Floaters don't have announcements ;)
[11:22] <fsphil> floaters on 434.500 especially
[11:22] <daveake> haha
[11:22] <gonzo__> hehe,
[11:22] <gonzo__> I was just typing simil;ar
[11:24] <gonzo__> do we have a freq for this?
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[11:24] <craag_philcrump> 434.LEO :)
[11:24] <gonzo__> ah, ok
[11:24] <fsphil> tis why it's floating probably
[11:24] <Ron_G8FJG> what is BARC on 434.650?
[11:25] <fsphil> another flight
[11:25] <fsphil> unadvertised
[11:25] <fsphil> barc appears from time to time
[11:25] <Ron_G8FJG> thanks
[11:25] <fsphil> usually only noticed because someone just happen to find the signal
[11:25] <tweetBot1> @AMSAT_UK: Listen to 434 MHz balloon flights online with the SUWS WebSDR http://t.co/P9NtbI5oXH #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas #hab
[11:26] <Ron_G8FJG> Its door is "open" apparently
[11:26] <fsphil> um?
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[11:27] <Ron_G8FJG> BARC,12:16:35,DOOR_OPENED_AT_22040m
[11:27] <fsphil> ah
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[11:27] <fsphil> THE DOOR
[11:27] <mattbrejza> BARC = https://twitter.com/Sent_into_space
[11:27] <UpuWork> lol
[11:28] <UpuWork> why use 1's and 0's when a dramatic message will do
[11:28] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXv28fd46wM
[11:29] <gonzo__> the pc programmers curse, ascii fields
[11:29] <mfa298> that could explain why they never tell anyone.
[11:29] <tweetBot1> @daveake: #RaspberryPi gateways set up for the LoRa and #UKHASNet payloads #UKHAS http://t.co/nqR6gQMfDH
[11:31] <mfa298> looks like the sent into space team where behind that (not quite the) first diamond into near space thing a few weeks ago http://sentintospace.com/space-news/in-the-sky-with-diamonds/
[11:31] <craag_philcrump> At least the basilisk probably wouldn't survive the fall from 22040m
[11:31] <fsphil> remember, near space is >= 50km :)
[11:32] <craag_philcrump> fsphil: What are we meant to be using now then?
[11:32] <fsphil> really high up
[11:32] <craag_philcrump> near-earth is nowhere near as impressive
[11:32] <craag_philcrump> lol ok
[11:33] <fsphil> Stratosphere is accurate, though most people don't know what it means
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[11:33] <gonzo__> prob think that is a guitar
[11:34] <gonzo__> I see the barc people have managed to send non zero telem this time!
[11:38] <mikestir> does that make someone who sends things into the stratosphere a stratocaster?
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[11:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm getting good footprints on SNUS but none on BALYOLO on the mobile tracker (Although XABEN shows one there)
[11:41] <DutchMillbt> QUERY Maxell
[11:42] <SpeedEvil> mikestir: A latex balloon filled with stochiometric H2/O2 would have a _very_ good accoustical match to the atmosphere at ~30km.
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[11:43] <craag_philcrump> 'stochiometric H2/O2' & 'match' in the same sentence. Sounds potentially very acoustic!
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[11:44] <SpeedEvil> err
[11:44] <cipher_> is a descend rate of 7.3 m/s dangerous? Anyone has experience with such speeds?
[11:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Steve_G0TDJ, You may need to efresh HMT after clearing the caches, then the footprints return
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> the whole point was ignition at the top
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> cipher_: not particularly
[11:44] <craag_philcrump> SpeedEvil: Ah ok :)
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> cipher_: imagine it landing on your head
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[11:45] <cipher_> SpeedEvil, its pretty soft
[11:45] <SpeedEvil> cipher_: maybe wear a hat then.
[11:46] <cipher_> it = payload box
[11:47] <cipher_> I mean how strong are these sphereachutes when you go over their recommended speed
[11:47] <mikestir> ggggggggg ttttttyyyy66666666666666666667777777777777777777777777777777777 y7vvvv67tymnnnnn ui978888888888888888888877
[11:47] <fsphil> it's ironic that cats can't use keyboards, yet they're 50% of the internet
[11:48] <mikestir> oh. lol. baby daughter in this case
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[11:48] <fsphil> lol
[11:48] <fsphil> good to get them started early
[11:49] <mikestir> pictures of babies has got to be a good chunk of the other 50% though so it's still a valid point
[11:49] <SpeedEvil> Well - baby cats are another large slice.
[11:51] <mikestir> cats, babies (including animals) and porn
[11:51] <mikestir> that's about 99%
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[11:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers Geoff-G8DHE Worked fine
[11:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LORA1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=LORA1
[12:00] <daveake> Poor frequency counter struggles a bit with LoRa :p
[12:00] <fsphil> hah
[12:02] <daveake> LoRa1 is a tad below 434.450 ... suggest you set 434.446
[12:03] <UpuWork> Frequency set to 434.446
[12:03] <nats`> daveake it's normal
[12:03] <daveake> Thank you, tracking station Halifax
[12:04] <daveake> Yeah I know
[12:04] <nats`> the LORA work by emitting sequence of chip at different freq
[12:04] <nats`> :)
[12:04] <craag_philcrump> daveake: Although if you've configured it to .450, it's likely that Upu's module will have the same offset?
[12:04] <daveake> you don't say? :)
[12:04] <nats`> hey it's not obvious for everyone :D
[12:04] <daveake> No I tested with a the freq meter and my SDR
[12:04] <daveake> It is a bit below
[12:04] <daveake> Rx is still working though set to .450
[12:05] <mattbrejza> once its up will be interesting to see the range for which you can tune and still rx
[12:05] <fsphil> adjusting frequency
[12:05] <mattbrejza> (and if the rssi changes)
[12:05] <nats`> I don't know for 20khz lora but when testing 125 and 250khz mode I noticed that a drift of 30khz was harmless
[12:05] <fsphil> ok on 434.446
[12:05] <daveake> yeah it was when I tested here +/- 3kHz
[12:06] <daveake> ^rearrange sentence into
[12:06] <nats`> +-3kHz for the 20kHz mode ?
[12:06] <daveake> yes
[12:06] <nats`> in my opinion that's the main advantage of this modulation
[12:06] <nats`> lowering constraint on tcxo/xtal
[12:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BUZZ - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=BUZZ
[12:08] <mattbrejza> to get 3kHz with crappy crystals you may still need some calibration though
[12:10] <UpuWork> I'm going to look at replacing the crystals when Hope(less)RF ship them to me
[12:11] <mattbrejza> going to use the bare IC on new designs?
[12:11] <nats`> mattbrejza yes but to have the same performance using ultra narrow band FSK it's a vctcxo you will need
[12:12] <mattbrejza> oh so it can work when its not tuned exactly but it loses performance?
[12:12] <amell> !payload XABEN0
[12:12] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Payload 03XABEN0 10(1647) - 03434.3 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/600Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[12:13] <nats`> I could check on my test set from 1.5 years on the 1272 but at 30kHz drift between the TX and RX you keep the same BER at more than 100dB attenuation
[12:13] <nats`> need to recheck but that was number in that range
[12:13] <mattbrejza> oh right
[12:15] <amell> cant find the email about XABEN0. is 434.300 the right freq?
[12:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LORA2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=LORA2
[12:17] <daveake> SSDV coming in from lora2
[12:18] <UpuWork> 2 mins per image nice
[12:19] <Laurenceb> !payload LORA2
[12:19] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: Payload 03LORA2 10(6763) - no transmissions
[12:19] <daveake> haha
[12:19] <daveake> stealth payload
[12:20] <lz1dev> !payload 6763
[12:20] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Payload 03LORA1 10(6763) - no transmissions
[12:20] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Payload 03BUZZ 10(6763) - 03434.6 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/480Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[12:20] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Payload 03LORA2 10(6763) - no transmissions
[12:20] <daveake> It has the telemetry set up but not the radio settings
[12:20] <lz1dev> !id lora2
[12:20] <SpacenearUS> Payload config for 03LORA2 10(9e98a0188fc4d8b17e1454bd7818a90d) - no transmissions - 12http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/9e98a0188fc4d8b17e1454bd7818a90d
[12:20] <lz1dev> yep
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[12:23] <fsphil> few missing packets
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[12:24] <Maxell> $$0$BALXKLo now we wait :)
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[12:27] Action: amell patiently watches the waterfall for signs of life
[12:28] <amell> !payload balyolo
[12:28] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Payload 03BALYOLO 10(46b2) - 03434.5 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/500Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[12:28] <MaXimaN> 434.6 for BUZZ?
[12:28] <fsphil> can I haz signals?
[12:28] <amell> yikes, using the Leo freq.
[12:28] <fsphil> one flaw with the hardware lora receivers -- no waterfall
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[12:28] <nats`> waterfall woul be pretty useless :)
[12:28] <fsphil> reassuring though
[12:28] <nats`> typical waterfall of lora is a huge rectangle on the band
[12:28] <fsphil> assuming I can even see the signal
[12:29] <nats`> not
[12:29] <nats`> nop
[12:29] <nats`> almost all the time is hidden in the noise
[12:29] <nats`> in fact with the process gain the lora modeme can handle a "-15dB" SNR IIRC
[12:29] <nats`> care about the negativ SNR is a view of mind they love :)
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[12:30] <amell> sorry what is balyolo freq? i dont belive it is 434.5
[12:30] <fsphil> I'll be impressed if my modem decodes any of it
[12:30] <fsphil> amell: it is
[12:30] <fsphil> that's why it's floating
[12:31] <G8JNJ> $$BALYOLO,585,12:24:17,52.050920,-1.139450,11422,6,6,2752,00*EB3B 435.5MHz
[12:32] <G8JNJ> sorry 434.5MHz :-)
[12:32] <MaXimaN> Looks like XABEN0 is away
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[12:33] <amell> im not seeing it
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[12:34] <amell> is it definately 434.300?
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[12:34] <MaXimaN> It just reached 1000M
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[12:34] <mfa298> how long until the bot detects significant height increase / decrease and declares Launch / burst for us
[12:34] <amell> i dont see it at 434.300 and im a mile away
[12:35] Action: amell worries about his sanity
[12:36] <UpuWork> I'd worry about your setup
[12:36] <amell> yes, if everyone else is hearing it, theres something seriously broke here
[12:37] <MaXimaN> !payload XABEN0
[12:37] <SpacenearUS> 03MaXimaN: Payload 03XABEN0 10(1647) - 03434.3 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/600Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[12:37] <G8JNJ> 434297.75 XABEN0 http://websdr.suws.org.uk/
[12:37] <UpuWork> ping FuzzyLemon - what balloon is this ?
[12:38] <nats`> amell yo uuse external LNA ?
[12:38] <nats`> if yes is it powered ? :D
[12:38] <nats`> I lost 1 hours on a B-xx tracking because of that :p
[12:38] <UpuWork> haha
[12:38] <nats`> don't laugh or be cursed ! :D
[12:39] <amell> its a habamp
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[12:39] <amell> its on, supposedly.
[12:39] <UpuWork> open it up
[12:39] <nats`> remove it
[12:39] <nats`> plug the antenna directly
[12:39] <UpuWork> yeah remove it first
[12:40] <MaXimaN> Starting to come through now
[12:40] <MaXimaN> Gap of 700 rather than 600
[12:41] <amell> still nothing without habamp
[12:41] <amell> something bust
[12:41] <amell> normally i have no problem with XABEN at all
[12:43] <amell> beginning to suspect the SMA to MCX cable.
[12:44] <amell> this is bad.
[12:44] <amell> it would normally be as loud as anything. I will spend some time with the continuity meter later.
[12:44] <G8JNJ> $$$XABEN0,51,12:53:21,52.268#1,-0.13267,4174*5B8D 434297.75 USB http://websdr.suws.org.uk/
[12:45] <FuzzyLemon> it is a very small one
[12:45] <FuzzyLemon> 200g
[12:45] <MaXimaN> Still a little noisy here to get greens
[12:45] <mikestir> amell: is this still an rtl sdr? I have heard of them going bad because there's an ESD protection diode on the antenna input that can fail short
[12:45] <mikestir> if you take it off it will work again
[12:46] <amell> i just need to dump this piece of shit. trust me.
[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LW2DTZ - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=LW2DTZ
[12:47] <MaXimaN> DNR actually helping on XABEN0 for once
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[12:49] <amell> i just saw lora2 image a tardis
[12:50] <amell> i shoulkd be able to see xaben0 from here
[12:50] <fsphil> that explains the time delay
[12:50] <G8JNJ> $$$$HABLAB,498,12:49:50,52.28614,-0.12898,6461,9,24F0*2C28 434648.66MHz USB http://websdr.suws.org.uk/
[12:51] <UpuWork> uh oh
[12:51] <UpuWork> hablab on same frequency as barc
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[12:52] <UpuWork> think barc has gone awol
[12:52] <UpuWork> why is hablab not on the map
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[12:53] <UpuWork> [2014-09-03 12:53:17,798] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Exception in UKHAS main parse: ValueError: Incorrect number of fields (got 7, expect 9)
[12:53] <lz1dev> :D
[12:53] <lz1dev> !payload hablab
[12:53] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:54] <lz1dev> !id cd5bb50168d95f96244b8f0543b18332
[12:54] <SpacenearUS> Payload config for 03HABLAB7 10(cd5bb50168d95f96244b8f0543b18332) - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-7 none 1 - 12http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/cd5bb50168d95f96244b8f0543b18332
[12:54] <MaXimaN> Upu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuEl3-JVA7o
[12:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HABLAB - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=HABLAB
[12:55] <lz1dev> that payload doc is from 2013
[12:55] <UpuWork> was ....
[12:55] <amell> got xaben now. loud as anything
[12:55] <lz1dev> !payload hablab
[12:55] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:55] <amell> i suspect i may have been tuned to 454 instead of 434&
[12:55] <amell> not sure though
[12:56] <daveake> silly internet stopped
[12:56] <nats`> huuu you broke da internet !
[12:56] <amell> probably
[12:57] <MaXimaN> I have some evil QRM at 434.6
[12:58] <MaXimaN> Okay, receiving HABLAB
[12:58] <mikestir> since a few months ago I have had some interesting QRM, sounds like a mesh network of some sort
[12:58] <MaXimaN> HABLAB not showing up as a payload in dl-fldigi though
[12:58] <mikestir> every couple of minutes there are multiple bursts each of slightly different signal strength
[12:59] <nats`> mikestir what freq ?
[12:59] <nats`> on 868 that could be zwave crap
[12:59] <mikestir> no it's 434
[13:00] <mikestir> audible on most hab flights - probably 433.9
[13:00] <mikestir> there's multiple networks by the sound of things - some groups of bursts are quite weak, others really strong
[13:00] <mfa298> no on 868 it would be ukhas.net which is cool \o/
[13:00] <mikestir> sound familiar to anyone? wondering if it's some new consumer device that's becoming popular
[13:00] <chimpusmaximus> Well pretty happy as first time trying to see another signal and can pick up hablab
[13:00] <nats`> uhhmm maybe knx
[13:00] <nats`> or wmbus
[13:00] <UpuWork> check daveake's balls out on the stream http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=5&id=1194
[13:00] <UpuWork> lovely pair
[13:00] <MaXimaN> mikestir: Couldbe a home automation protocol
[13:01] <mfa298> i think quite a lot of monitoring (weather stations) etc like 433.9
[13:01] <nats`> yep but rarely in meshed fashion
[13:01] <MaXimaN> mfa298: They have very short bursts
[13:01] <mikestir> yeah but I wouldn't expect HA to be that popular that there were several networks in range
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[13:01] <mikestir> I'll record a bit
[13:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Stringing his balls together by the looks of it!
[13:01] <nats`> mikestir you can try to pass it to some knx wmbus zigbee stack
[13:02] <fsphil> chimpusmaximus: congrats :)
[13:02] <MaXimaN> mikestir: I use z-wave which is on 868.42, but have an rfxtrx433 tranceiver to receive data from 70cm sensors
[13:03] <mikestir> I have various 433 bits in the house - a thermostat and some current-cost bits. It's neither of those protocols
[13:03] <tweetBot1> @G8DHE: HAB UPDATE: 3 flights in progress BALYOLO, XABEN and BUZZ shortly track at http://t.co/kTUrHMrnvo
[13:03] <tweetBot1> #ukhas #hamr #hab
[13:04] <nats`> mikestir you said mesh that's why I tell about those one
[13:04] <nats`> meshing is pretty uncommon on 434MHz protocol
[13:04] <MaXimaN> HABLAB frequency drifting upwards
[13:04] <mikestir> yeah I'm only speculating that it's mesh. I agree it's uncommon and I don't think 802.15.4 is specced for that band at all
[13:04] <nats`> it's more a 868MHz fashion mainly because of the duty cycle constraint and the bitrate you can achieve
[13:04] <nats`> it is
[13:04] <nats`> even zigbee exist in 434
[13:04] <nats`> but with no routing
[13:04] <nats`> I mean zigbee in 434 can't do mesh normally
[13:08] <mikestir> http://www.mike-stirling.com/files/qrm1.wav
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[13:08] <MaXimaN> mike: Those sound like 433Mhz sensors to me
[13:08] <MaXimaN> A lot of them
[13:09] <mikestir> they do, and if there was just one group I'd be less interested, but there are several groups of significantly different signal strength, implying there are quite a few deployments nearby
[13:09] <mikestir> and it's quite a recent thing
[13:10] <MaXimaN> I have a load of them around me too - including X10 light switches, which is amusing because I can actually control them from my Vera box :)
[13:11] <G8JNJ> If you look at 433.5 to 434.7MHz on http://websdr.suws.org.uk/ you can see how many SRD's are operating in a typical urban environment
[13:12] <mfa298> MaXimaN: there's a big bang theory clip to show those X10 users (assuming their geeky enough)
[13:12] <G8JNJ> They pop up and down in strength all day long
[13:12] <fsphil> 433.9 +/- 100khz is very noisy here
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[13:13] <G8JNJ> I think HAB's could be received more effectively if they avoided 'obvious' frequencies such as XXX.500 XXX.600 etc
[13:14] <mikestir> 433.9 is the really common one
[13:14] <G8JNJ> Yes that's the middle of the SDR band
[13:14] <mikestir> but unfortunately a lot of it is unfiltered OOK and has a bandwidth of about the entire band
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[13:19] <nats`> mikestir when scafold on my building will be removed I'll make you a record of my neighborhood
[13:19] <nats`> there is a some ..... crap covering the entire band an over
[13:19] <nats`> it makes some huge beeeeeppppp overs more than 10kHz
[13:20] <G8JNJ> 433.050 MHz - 434.790 MHz Centre 433.920 MHz Region 1 ISM and subject to local acceptance (within the amateur radio 70 cm band)
[13:20] <nats`> so fldigi sink each time this system tx
[13:20] <mfa298> G8JNJ a lot of the more recent habs have stayed away from things like 434.600 and 434.650 but that's more to do with the complaints along the lines of "you're 10mW transmitter 100km might stop mobile stations getting into my all important repeater".
[13:22] <G8JNJ> Yep - my point is that there are a lot of SRD's using that bit of ISM spectrum so avoiding 50KHz and 25KHz multiples would be sensible
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[13:24] <mfa298> I'm not sure there's been so much issue away from the repeater inputs (and most of the issue was with people moaning it could stop people using the repeater)
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[13:29] <gonzo__> the whole sharing of ldp/sdr and amateur is for the regulators to sort out. Both have an equal call on the freq
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[13:30] <gonzo__> I recon that the cheap lpd kit is raerlt going vto have freq accuracy/stability that they will actually be within 25khz of their nominal anyway
[13:30] <gonzo__> rearly
[13:30] <gonzo__> vfo
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[13:54] <UpuWork> its popped I think
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[13:54] <UpuWork> sorry ignore me
[13:54] <LeoBodnar> up?
[13:54] <daveake> up
[13:55] <Steve_G0TDJ> Bon Voyage Dave
[13:55] <daveake> lorra rssi's -60 and -76
[13:55] <daveake> latter for lora2 which is faster
[13:56] <UpuWork> whats buzz on ?
[13:56] <daveake> .250
[13:56] <UpuWork> I'll use that as my reference
[13:56] <UpuWork> ta
[13:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> 434.250
[13:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll be tracking when able
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[14:02] <LeoBodnar> what's YOLO freq?
[14:02] <UpuWork> 434.LEO
[14:02] <mattbrejza> .500
[14:03] <mattbrejza> the blue circles approach
[14:03] <mattbrejza> the north
[14:03] <mattbrejza> but what will be heard first
[14:04] <UpuWork> can't see anything on the w/f yet
[14:05] <UpuWork> HABLAB could do with some love
[14:05] <UpuWork> 434.650
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[14:05] <G8JNJ> <gonzo__> RE: "Both have an equal call on the freq" Not true ISM devices are secondary and may be subject to interference from licenced users
[14:06] <MaXimaN> Doing my best on HABLAB but getting some local QRM
[14:06] <mattbrejza> ISM devices dont have to try to avoid other users though
[14:06] <chimpusmaximus> Only just able to pick up HABLAB
[14:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> BALYOLO Burst
[14:06] <mattbrejza> they just hve to accept that they might be talked over
[14:06] <UpuWork> now we get to see if they have some local tracking
[14:06] <Maxell> BALYOLO burst yes
[14:07] <G8JNJ> <mattbrejza> ISM devices dont have to try to avoid other users though - no but it's sensible to do so if you can
[14:08] <MaXimaN> Okay, a few tweaks and HBALAB coming through clear again
[14:08] <mattbrejza> well yea if you have 10mW vs 10W, but from a regulation point of view there is no reason not to transmit tones on .650
[14:09] <G8JNJ> Agreed but who actually looses if someone decides to TX on a repeater input using 10w
[14:09] <UpuWork> ok BUZZ Just creeping on the WF
[14:10] <G8JNJ> I'm not worried about HABS causing interference to other users - It's more about maximising the reception of HAB's amongst all the other junk on the frequency
[14:11] <mattbrejza> i think the crap varies depending on where you are though
[14:12] <G8JNJ> Take a look at all the other unlicenced devices operating around the bit of the band used for HABS on the SDR http://websdr.suws.org.uk/
[14:12] <G8JNJ> You will notice that some frequencies have a lot more SRD's operating on them than others
[14:13] <mattbrejza> although do you get the same result from other locations?>
[14:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> !FLIGHT buzz
[14:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> !payload BUZZ
[14:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Payload 03BUZZ 10(6763) - 03434.6 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/480Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[14:13] <mattbrejza> <spacenearus> no need to shout :(
[14:13] <G8JNJ> All I'm suggesting is that it would be sensible to use frequencies that are not 'popular'
[14:13] <G8JNJ> In some cases that only means moving a few KHz
[14:13] <mattbrejza> yea but what are those frequencues? :P
[14:14] <G8JNJ> Take a look at the SDR and you will see the Short Range devices
[14:14] <mattbrejza> yea for one location
[14:14] <craag_philcrump> perhaps a nice graph of integrated noise across the HAB freq range would be good
[14:14] <UpuWork> RTTY partials
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[14:15] <craag_philcrump> mattbrejza: Tis a good sample though
[14:15] <amell> XABEN0 isnt moving far. its just hovering over me
[14:15] <UpuWork> nothing on LORA
[14:15] <G8JNJ> Manufacturers generally place all their devices on the same frequency so you get clusters around specific popular frequencies
[14:15] <mfa298> doing a few surveys driving around various cities and probably some countryside might show up if there are particular bad frequencies
[14:15] <mattbrejza> well its certianlly a good start with the websdr based on its location
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[14:15] <mattbrejza> alhough i wonder how it varies
[14:16] <amell> any idea how high xaben is going? might go and observe it landing
[14:16] <realflash> Can someone tell me the freq for BALYOLO? I didn't see a launch announcement
[14:17] <amell> 434.LEO
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[14:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> 434.500.70but its on it's way down
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[14:18] <LeoBodnar> either my RX is broken or signal is weak?
[14:18] <G8JNJ> WRT amateur use 434.475 to 434.525 and frequencies above 434.600 (all in 25KHz steps) would be good ones to avoid
[14:18] <UpuWork> I'm struggling with it
[14:18] <UpuWork> can see it
[14:19] <UpuWork> not decoding
[14:19] <MaXimaN> HABLAB burst
[14:20] <mikestir> so what freqs for the lora stuff?
[14:20] <daveake> .450 and .550
[14:20] <daveake> see the mailing list for other details
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[14:21] <mikestir> ok. I've not got anything to receive with - was just going to see if the signal was visible
[14:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> BUZZ on .250 CFM?
[14:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> !payload BUZZ
[14:22] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Payload 03BUZZ 10(6763) - 03434.6 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/480Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[14:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers Geoff-G8DHE
[14:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> you had me worried still can't see it here
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[14:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> I was looking at the announce
[14:23] <mikestir> buzz is on 250
[14:24] <Brian-G0HDI> I was going to say that too
[14:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup it is
[14:24] <majemoi> Please, what is HABLAB frequency?
[14:24] <daveake> not needed to retune yet on either lora
[14:24] <mikestir> daveake: I can hear the lora payloads quite clearly on the ssb rx
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[14:26] <UpuWork> 434.650 for HABLAB
[14:26] <majemoi> Many thanks UpuWork
[14:26] <daveake> cool
[14:28] <amell> s/n of 30dB on XABEN0
[14:29] <amell> oh i didnt realise xaben0 burst
[14:29] <amell> duh. i didnt realise hablab and xaben were the same
[14:31] <MaXimaN> Neither did I
[14:31] <MaXimaN> *facepalm*
[14:31] <amell> looks like its goign to land near my favourite butchers
[14:32] <amell> they breed crocodiles for meat
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[14:33] <gonzo__> and they make sandwiches.... quick?
[14:33] <amell> they do.
[14:33] <amell> johnsons of old hurst.
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[14:35] <myier> do they feed them with kobe lobster?
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[14:36] <amell> The python fillet is £70 a kg
[14:38] <amell> distance 12.11km, elevation 49.2
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[14:52] <MaXimaN> !payload BUZZ
[14:52] <SpacenearUS> 03MaXimaN: Payload 03BUZZ 10(6763) - 03434.6 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/480Hz ASCII-7 none 2
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[14:54] <MaXimaN> Wow
[14:54] <MaXimaN> Struggling to receive BUZZ for some reason
[14:54] <mattbrejza> anyone see LoRa on the websdr?
[14:55] <G8JNJ> Not yet
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[14:56] <MaXimaN> What's the power output on BUZZ?
[14:58] <MaXimaN> I can see LoRa on the waterfall though
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[14:59] <daveake> 10dBm
[15:00] <MaXimaN> Definitely time to install the yagi :)
[15:01] <Brian-G0HDI> BUZZ had slowly risen in frquency from .250 to .253. Now it's dropping back down slowly..
[15:01] <chimpusmaximus> last saw HABLAB at 279m at 52.37068, -0.07153
[15:01] <mattbrejza> !dial buzz
[15:02] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Payload 03BUZZ 10(6763) - 03434.6 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/480Hz ASCII-7 none 2
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[15:07] <amell_> Hablab is recovered
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[15:08] <chimpusmaximus> do you have a final location for HabLab recovery?
[15:08] <amell_> Hablab is recovered
[15:08] <chimpusmaximus> was surprised how low i tacked it from Peterborough
[15:09] <chimpusmaximus> tracked
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[15:09] <amell__> Hablab is recovered
[15:10] <amell__> Saw it land and Steve's car parked in middle of field
[15:11] <amell__> He had a lot of people with him so didn't say hello
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[15:12] <fsphil> it landed near you?
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[15:12] <amell__> Yes 3 miles away
[15:13] <amell__> So drove over to watch it land
[15:13] <fsphil> lora2 pictures looking well
[15:14] <fsphil> not decoding any telemetry here :(
[15:14] <daveake> they were supposed to "go large" but maybe I forgot to set that up
[15:14] <fsphil> ah I did wonder
[15:14] <daveake> anyhoo lora side is doing well
[15:14] <fsphil> any decodes on the basic antennas?
[15:15] <Laurenceb> nice
[15:15] <Laurenceb> LORA works
[15:15] <daveake> not tried for ages
[15:15] <Laurenceb> is this with 10mW ?
[15:15] <daveake> doing better here on lora2
[15:15] <daveake> yes
[15:16] <mattbrejza> does the rssi give you any idea how much headroom you have?
[15:16] <Laurenceb> all images via LORA ?
[15:16] <fsphil> 434.550?
[15:16] <Laurenceb> whats the baud rate?
[15:16] <daveake> it's about equiv to 1400
[15:16] <fsphil> I've set mine to .550 and fast mode
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[15:17] <fsphil> nothing yet
[15:17] <amell__> Does lora have node addressss? Ie can we use one freq for all lora habs?
[15:17] <fsphil> hey this is the first non-rtty ssdv flight
[15:17] <craag_philcrump> \o/
[15:17] <amell__> And how is the frequency stability?
[15:17] <daveake> You can add an address byte and check that first then accept/ignore the rest of the packet
[15:18] <daveake> Not had to retune at all
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[15:18] <amell__> so an auto tuning lora receiver box wouldn't be a problem at all?
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[15:31] <fsphil> receiving lora telemetry!
[15:31] <Steve_G0TDJ_> YAY! Well done Phil :D
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[15:33] <tweetBot1> @nerdsville: LoRa signals from @daveake HAB clearly visible on the SDR #ukhas http://t.co/ui99reNvRf
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[15:47] <amell> Just looked and impressed i decoded XABEN0 at 112m altitude.
[15:47] <daveake> yeah but cambs is at zero m :/
[15:47] <amell> hey, dont spoil it :)
[15:48] <daveake> I've had a couple where number10 (just down the road from you) has received after landing
[15:48] <mattbrejza> ive recieved one of craag's floaters from as its sat on the ground at launch to when it landed in a tree and eventially died
[15:51] <amell> and you didnt recover it for him?
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[15:52] <craag_philcrump> I was at the landing site
[15:52] <craag_philcrump> it was 16m up at least
[15:52] <craag_philcrump> not receoverable
[15:52] <amell> no chainsaw?
[15:53] <mattbrejza> i wasnt close to it amell
[15:53] <craag_philcrump> not my land, landowner didn't respond
[15:53] Nick change: Scorpia_ -> scorpia
[15:53] <craag_philcrump> visited 6months later - still in the tree
[15:53] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ_ -> Steve_G0TDJ
[15:54] <craag_philcrump> visited 14 months later - gone from the tree and no sign on the ground
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[15:54] <craag_philcrump> shame as it was first foil with a camera afaik
[15:56] <daveake> coming up to expected max alt
[15:56] <mattbrejza> craag_philcrump: i cant remember one since
[15:57] <craag_philcrump> mattbrejza: There was one, but they landed it in the north sea ;)
[15:57] <mattbrejza> oh lol
[15:57] <craag_philcrump> foils+cameras don't seem to go well together
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[16:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=M0RPI_chase
[16:03] <cm13g09> daveake: Have OfCom sorted themselves out yet?
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[16:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Is that a burst?
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[16:05] <fsphil> looks like
[16:05] <fsphil> yea
[16:05] <fsphil> 29.8km
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[16:06] <fsphil> 28.2
[16:06] <fsphil> coming down fast
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[16:06] <fsphil> still decoding here. nice!
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[16:06] Action: LazyLeopard really needs to spend some time hacking the USB setup to get fldigi talking to the FT817 again...
[16:07] Action: LazyLeopard did something while trying to get the FCD to work, and now neither will play.
[16:08] <fsphil> spoke too soon, no new packets :)
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[16:08] <lz1dev> RIP freenode
[16:08] <fsphil> was freenode hosted on the balloon?
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[16:08] <fsphil> oh new packet
[16:08] <daveake> not bad alt for 500g balloon
[16:09] <fsphil> line 827, 22.5km
[16:09] <fsphil> and another
[16:09] <daveake> cool
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[16:10] <WillDuckworth> shout if you need anything
[16:10] <fsphil> PANCAKES!
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[16:11] <WillDuckworth> cheers Phil ;)
[16:11] <fsphil> looks like that's it for this little radio module
[16:11] <fsphil> quite impressed
[16:11] <fsphil> the setup here is far from ideal
[16:12] <mattbrejza> youre not far in the blue circles now tht youve just lost it
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[16:12] <fsphil> 50 baud rtty would probably decode lower than this
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[16:12] <fsphil> though not by a huge amount
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[16:13] <amell> so are we all going to switch from rtty to lora?
[16:14] <fsphil> I wouldn't encourage it until there's a software modem
[16:14] <fsphil> but it's fun to experiment
[16:14] <amell> http://www.anarduino.com/miniwireless/ - $20.90 for a RF98W mated with an arduino mini
[16:15] <amell> just add GPS and youre in business.
[16:15] <PE2G> prsm>>/
[16:15] <craag_philcrump> amell: That's rather pricey given the cost of the parts!
[16:15] <PE2G> sorry disregard
[16:16] <amell> well it does include an RTC, voltage reg and 128mbit flash mem
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[16:19] <mattbrejza> fsphil: i cant see a software modem ever happening
[16:19] Nick change: UpuFreenodesucks -> Upu
[16:19] <myier> nice one amell
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[16:20] <myier> I'd buy that, since I have no experience and time in making my own boards
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[16:20] <myier> the problem is that it's in dollars, which generally means it's even higher price in euros or pounds when imported
[16:21] <myier> like 25EUR
[16:21] <amell> yes, but its ok if you buy a fair few of them.
[16:21] <myier> yes, we should ask habsupplies ;)
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[16:21] <amell> i suggested these boards before, but he didnt seem interested.
[16:22] <mattbrejza> upu is gonna stock the rfm92 but i cant see him stocking those
[16:23] <amell> why the rf92?
[16:23] <amell> dont think theres a 433 version of the rf92
[16:23] <mattbrejza> or whatever the lora ones are
[16:23] <amell> rf98 is the logical choice
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[16:42] <WillDuckworth> big house is now in the way for me
[16:42] <WillDuckworth> Dave's close enought now anyway
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[17:42] <daveake-tab> Payload recovered from a golf buggy!
[17:42] <arko> hahaha
[17:42] <arko> nice!
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[17:44] Nick change: juliea -> julieake
[17:45] <Upu> lol
[17:45] <julieake> Pics to follow.
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[17:46] <julieake> Payload fell on a golfing competition
[17:47] <bertrik> fore!
[17:47] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[17:47] <julieake> Four payloads
[17:48] <julieake> I mean fore
[17:50] <Upu> did they appreciate it ?
[17:52] <julieake> They thought it was amusing. Thankfully near end of competition and course
[17:53] <Upu> hopefully didn't put anyone off their swing
[17:54] <julieake> Or give anyone a stroke
[17:54] <Upu> indeed
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[17:58] <gonzo__> if you had scored a hole in one, is there not a forfit?
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[18:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VX-20 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=VX-20
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[18:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHEAPO - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=CHEAPO
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[19:37] <tweetBot1> @daveake: 3 #RaspberryPi gateways at "mission control" with 1 more in the air. All a bit experimental but mostly working #UKHAS http://t.co/P3lWrzVkFn
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[19:42] <tweetBot1> @daveake: Payloads returned to us via luxury travel #UKHAS #RaspberryPi http://t.co/AdiHtbTBpa
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[19:46] <tweetBot1> @daveake: Looks like an easy birdie from there :-) #UKHAS #RaspberryPi http://t.co/ZgdfbhFpRr
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[19:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening All
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[19:54] <tweetBot1> @AMSAT_UK: @VickiTurk interviews Steve Netting M0SPN in #hamradio village at #emfcamp Great pic of GB2EMF http://t.co/I3hGX0Xql5 #amsat #hamr #ukhas
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[20:09] <tweetBot1> @daveake: Image from today's #RaspberryPi flight #UKHAS http://t.co/43zV4tkmXW
[20:11] <fsphil> looks like snow
[20:13] <fsphil> Pembrey Caravan Park
[20:13] <fsphil> oh there's an airport there
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[20:17] <chrisstubbs> fsphil, planning to launch the CHDK rig tomorrow!
[20:18] <malgar> !whereis b-66
[20:18] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-66 was over 03Kalmansky District, Altai Krai, Russia 10(53.0078,83.0759) at 0313472 meters about 036 days ago
[20:18] <malgar> !whereis b-64
[20:18] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-64 was over 03Division No. 18, SK, Canada 10(54.9006,-102.7709) at 0312165 meters about 032 days ago
[20:18] <fsphil> chrisstubbs: yay! the new gps one or the classic one?
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[20:21] <chrisstubbs> classic one
[20:22] <chrisstubbs> the gps one will be a project for when I have a lotttt more time to learn exactly whats going on with the new firmware
[20:29] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[20:30] <fsphil> yea it could be fun
[20:30] <fsphil> in the bad sense :)
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[20:34] <chrisstubbs> the hair pulling sense
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[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:42] <kf7fer> Hey Lunar! So I want to measure the power output of the transmitter on my board (this is a 2m radio). Anybody know how I can do that?
[20:43] <mattbrejza> a rf power meter
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[20:44] <kf7fer> is that like a wattmeter?
[20:44] <kf7fer> just only heard that term... or is it watt meter?
[20:44] <mattbrejza> well it displays the input rf power in watts
[20:45] <mattbrejza> theyre a bit more expensive than a 'watt meter' which you might use around hte house
[20:45] <kf7fer> sounds perfect. And by "watt meter" I was thinking in terms of ham radio... possibly as part of an SWR meter?
[20:46] <kf7fer> only problem is google shows some ugly prices for a rf power meter. Know of any inexpensive ones?
[20:46] <mattbrejza> i did warn you they were a bit expesnive :P
[20:46] <tweetBot1> @M3HXE: @AshfordAstro Re-tweeted from @daveak Image from today's #RaspberryPi flight #UKHAS http://t.co/fBr7oa2DOn
[20:47] <mattbrejza> a more sensible approach if you want a sanity check on the power is to compare it to a known signal power
[20:47] <craag_philcrump> bird watt meter + a decent dummy load is the right (hobbyist) way to do it
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> hi craag
[20:47] <craag_philcrump> but yes... expensive
[20:47] <craag_philcrump> worth asking if a local ham has one
[20:48] <craag_philcrump> yo Lunar_Lander
[20:48] <craag_philcrump> hows goes it?
[20:48] <kf7fer> mattbrejza: Not to be dense but how do I compare them?
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[20:48] <kf7fer> and craag... thanks. probably best idea is finding someone locally
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> I'm good, thanks and you?
[20:49] <mattbrejza> just by looking at the strength on a sdr or something like that
[20:49] <mattbrejza> youll need to make sure theres a reasonable amount of attenuation between the two though
[20:50] <jiffe> b64 still going maybe?
[20:50] <craag_philcrump> Lunar_Lander: good ta, still trying to catch up on sleep though....
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> can understand that
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> got a minute though?
[20:51] <craag_philcrump> sure -> PM
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[20:52] <kf7fer> mattbrejza: thanks, that makes sense.
[20:52] <mattbrejza> np
[20:52] <kf7fer> so have you used soundmodem?
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[21:00] <craag_philcrump> kf7fer: I have
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[21:06] <kf7fer> craag_philcrump: So I've never used a waterfall before. What's the point of the adjustable part of the scale?
[21:06] <kf7fer> and it's showing me how spread out the signal is?
[21:06] <craag_philcrump> errr not seen the waterfall display
[21:06] <craag_philcrump> I've used the eye diagram
[21:07] <kf7fer> oh ok
[21:07] <craag_philcrump> In which you want the preamble to form 2 dots nearly the full width of the display
[21:08] <craag_philcrump> With a half-decent soundcard it'll cope with any level of audio, as long as it's not clipping
[21:08] <craag_philcrump> so go low rather than high
[21:09] <Laurenceb__> anyone here used gimp?
[21:09] <Laurenceb__> how do i select a selection?
[21:09] <Laurenceb__> if that make ssense
[21:09] <qyx_> it doesn't
[21:09] <Laurenceb__> i have used intellegent scissors, but how to i create a selection?
[21:09] <Laurenceb__> atm all i have is a purple line
[21:09] <MarkIreland> Laurenceb__: it's a pain in the ass
[21:10] <Laurenceb__> i got as far as realising that
[21:10] <MarkIreland> what do you want to do with your selection
[21:10] <MarkIreland> easiest thing is copy your selection to a new layer
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[21:10] <Laurenceb__> yes, but how?
[21:10] <Laurenceb__> atm nothing is selected
[21:11] <Laurenceb__> i just have a purple line of... somehting
[21:11] <Laurenceb__> a "scissor" line or something
[21:11] <Laurenceb__> its not a selection line
[21:11] <MarkIreland> hmm maybe use selection tool
[21:11] <Laurenceb__> it needs to be a selection berfore i can select
[21:11] <qyx_> wut, i am trying to finish that scissors tool
[21:12] <qyx_> somehow it doesn't work
[21:12] <Laurenceb__> wtf
[21:12] <Laurenceb__> oh you click inside
[21:12] <Laurenceb__> hmf
[21:12] <qyx_> http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-tool-iscissors.html
[21:12] <Laurenceb__> my line must have an error
[21:12] <Laurenceb__> start again
[21:12] <Laurenceb__> been on this 3 hours so far
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[21:13] <qyx_> huh, it works
[21:13] <qyx_> alternatively you can use path tool
[21:13] <qyx_> and then use "path to selection"
[21:18] <Laurenceb__> this is impossible
[21:18] <Laurenceb__> there is no save/undo for the scissors path
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[21:21] <qyx_> Laurenceb__: convert to selection and then sonvert selection to path
[21:21] <qyx_> then you can edit path
[21:22] <Laurenceb__> hmm
[21:22] <Laurenceb__> ok
[21:23] <qyx_> and then convert path to selection
[21:26] <Laurenceb__> is there a way to delete a point on a scissor line?
[21:27] <Laurenceb__> ive screwed up again
[21:27] <Laurenceb__> this is probably impossible :-/
[21:38] <qyx_> try alt/ctrl/shift
[21:38] <qyx_> and combinations
[21:38] <qyx_> or try to google manual
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[21:46] <DL7AD> does anybody know if the serial pins of the max7 are 5V resistent?
[21:47] <Upu> they aren't
[21:47] <Upu> 3.6V max
[21:47] <DL7AD> :/
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[21:47] <Upu> however I know some people have stuck way more than that on and been ok
[21:47] <Upu> but....
[21:48] <DL7AD> yeah.....?
[21:48] <Upu> module survived but can't guarantee its not done any damage
[21:49] <DL7AD> yeah okay then i wont try it
[21:49] <Upu> no don't try it :)
[21:49] <DL7AD> are the MAX8 5V resistent?
[21:49] <Upu> nope
[21:49] <Upu> 3.6v
[21:49] <Upu> common theme :)
[21:50] <DL7AD> *rollingeyes* they did not learn
[21:50] <Upu> learn ?
[21:50] <Upu> 5V is daft
[21:50] <fsphil> people who use 5v are not their target market :)
[21:50] <Upu> that too
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[21:50] <Upu> what are you trying to connect too thats 5V ?
[21:51] <DL7AD> my usb serial adapter
[21:51] <Upu> get a 3V one they are buttons
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[21:51] <DL7AD> but currently i dont have one
[21:51] <mikestir> the 70s called - they want their 5V back
[21:51] <Upu> haha
[21:51] <fsphil> but be aware that those often come with a VCC cable of 5v
[21:52] <fsphil> even though the serial voltages are 3.3v
[21:52] <fsphil> cute
[21:52] <fsphil> oh retired
[21:52] <fsphil> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9873
[21:53] <Upu> yep
[21:53] <fsphil> that one is even cuter
[21:53] <fsphil> like the connector on the bottom
[21:53] <fsphil> very compact
[21:54] <DL7AD> this is more compact http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://skpang.co.uk/catalog/images/raspberrypi/954_MED.jpg&imgrefurl=http://skpang.co.uk/catalog/usb-to-ttl-serial-cable-debug-console-cable-for-raspberry-pi-p-1124.html&h=308&w=400&tbnid=n63qg5GMdx-SvM:&zoom=1&tbnh=110&tbnw=143&usg=___VTqqQ7MV_y3lQ0v2S_oc7PHo_4=&docid=C6WdsGQlwC8zHM&client=firefox-a&sa=X&ei=240HVNuFNeOhyAPehYK4Bg&ved=0CEAQ9QEwBg&dur=291
[21:55] <fsphil> that's the one I have
[21:55] <DL7AD> yeah me too but for 5V
[21:55] <fsphil> two 3.3v ttl lines, gnd and 5v
[21:57] <DL7AD> what a hyper shit
[21:57] <fsphil> well I wouldn't go that far
[21:58] <mikestir> if you have a 5V one you could always pot down the rx, and 3.3V on the tx will still count as a 1 even on a 5V system
[22:00] <DL7AD> [00:00:00] - {Day changed to Thursday, September 04, 2014}
[22:00] <DL7AD> morning
[22:01] <DL7AD> im going to connect a breakoutboard
[22:05] <lz1dev> who uses UTC as timezone ;\
[22:05] <fsphil> the uk in winter :)
[22:05] <fsphil> and my vps server it seems. still saying 22:05
[22:06] <lz1dev> also SpacenearUS
[22:06] <lz1dev> since the server is on UTC
[22:06] <mikestir> hopefully any server, except if it's windows in which case meh
[22:06] <lz1dev> not sure if i should fix that or not
[22:06] <lz1dev> my windows, even though it set to sync time
[22:06] <lz1dev> occasionally is off by quite a few seconds
[22:07] <mikestir> that's because it takes several seconds for it to filter the time update through the registry
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[22:07] <lz1dev> not sure if thats a joek
[22:07] <lz1dev> joke*
[22:07] <fsphil> "windows time agent" was handy for configuring the time sync on windows
[22:07] <mikestir> lz1dev: it was, but it's probably true
[22:07] <fsphil> and monitoring
[22:08] <lz1dev> isnt WTA just a gui
[22:08] <lz1dev> or something
[22:08] <fsphil> yea
[22:08] <mikestir> they should have called it windows time lord
[22:09] <fsphil> you don't want to see a blue box in windows
[22:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N2NXZ-7 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=N2NXZ-7
[22:10] <lz1dev> apperantly time got synced 6 minutes ago
[22:10] <lz1dev> and agian in 3 days
[22:10] <lz1dev> vOv
[22:11] <lz1dev> best thing i ever did is change the server form time.windows.com
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[22:38] <N2NXZ> Anyone familiar with Arduino battery code?
[22:39] <N2NXZ> vbatt = ((3.3 / 1024)* analogRead(0) ); // ((vcc / maxADC)* adcreading * voltageDividerRatio) pin A0 dtostrf(vbatt,3,2,vbatts); // convert from float to string
[22:40] <lz1dev> yes
[22:41] <N2NXZ> I see pin AO needs to be used as well,I never bothered with using the battery reading
[22:42] <N2NXZ> Probably not something necesarry really?
[22:42] <lz1dev> well, yes you need to reason the voltage form somewhere
[22:42] <lz1dev> reason = read
[22:42] <lz1dev> form =from
[22:42] <lz1dev> :D
[22:42] <N2NXZ> If I leave it alone it will just read the wrong voltage correct?
[22:43] <lz1dev> if you don't connect anything to A), you'll get some random reading
[22:43] <N2NXZ> Afraid to tamper with this anymore,my luck,it will stop working
[22:43] <N2NXZ> Think I will leave it alone...lol
[22:44] <N2NXZ> Regardless of what the batt reads,too late anyhow once it is gone :)
[22:44] <lz1dev> so you have nothing connected to A0 ?
[22:45] <N2NXZ> no
[22:45] <lz1dev> well you'll get some random value probably
[22:45] <N2NXZ> Yes,just ran a test and it reads .87 or something
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[22:46] <N2NXZ> As long as it tracks,I am happy
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[22:46] <lz1dev> test it
[22:47] <N2NXZ> Maybe I will take it on the bike for fun.
[22:47] <lz1dev> that's one way
[22:47] <N2NXZ> I just ran it while sitting on the truck in the driveway
[22:48] <lz1dev> where did you get the code from?
[22:48] <N2NXZ> Someone sent the link to me
[22:48] <N2NXZ> I tried building my own and also using pieces of others
[22:49] <N2NXZ> The link no longer works,probably from someone in this group
[22:50] <lz1dev> are you launching it soon?
[22:50] <N2NXZ> looking for that link now
[22:50] <N2NXZ> Friday...21:00 utc
[22:51] <lz1dev> great :)
[22:51] <lz1dev> where from?
[22:52] <N2NXZ> Hilton,NY
[22:54] <N2NXZ> http://www.upstateham.com/
[22:54] <N2NXZ> Somone relayed the info for me...that helps a lot
[22:56] <lz1dev> hopefully you've ran a prediction for friday
[22:57] <lz1dev> incase it goes into a lake :)
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[22:58] <N2NXZ> Honestly,I do not expect to see it again.I hate to say that,but wherever it goes it goes.I just hope to find some tracking stations that can help.At least we will know where it is last heard as to predict the fate
[22:59] <N2NXZ> I should have mentioned,trying for a floater on this one
[23:00] <N2NXZ> Be back later,thanks for the batt info,gotta finish the parachute
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[23:03] <lz1dev> good luck
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[23:11] <amell> re ftdi boards, theres loads on ebay, 3.3/5 switchable using a link. and they cost a whole lot less than the sparkfun one!
[23:17] <amell> btw where can i get sma socket pigtails that are easily soldered to a board? not had much luck with the ones i had off ebay
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[23:19] <amell> maybe i would be better off soldering an MCX socket to the board or something
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