highaltitude.log.20140831

[00:00] <kg7juw> yea if it doesnt have a lock its 0.000 0.00000
[00:00] <kg7juw> can i donate some btc to you? cuz yea id be lost
[00:01] <lz1dev> don't worry about it
[00:01] <kg7juw> well i appreciate it
[00:02] <kg7juw> 94358676c8dc9943948f56e559229edb is done anything i should to to verify it?
[00:04] <lz1dev> once you are done making the payload doc, make a flight doc and include in
[00:04] <lz1dev> you will get an id, go in #habhub and ask for it to be approved
[00:05] <lz1dev> before you do that make sure, payload doc actually works
[00:05] <lz1dev> by uploading a few sentances through dl-fldigi
[00:07] <kg7juw> got a flight doc made already
[00:07] <lz1dev> you have to include the payload doc in the flight doc, but make sure the payload doc actually works first
[00:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG7JUW-5 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=KG7JUW-5
[00:19] <kg7juw> im taking it that was a good sign
[00:20] <kg7juw> temp is in F and displaying it C but thats not a big deal
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[00:29] <lz1dev> looks like your payload doc works
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[02:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Kg7juw-5_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=Kg7juw-5_chase
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[04:07] <gurgalof> http://xkcd.com/316/
[04:08] <gurgalof> I need to get a load girlfriend and an elliptical reflector dish
[04:09] <gurgalof> s/load/loud
[04:09] <gurgalof> my neighbours is having load sex right now...
[04:10] <gurgalof> s/load/loud again
[04:10] <gurgalof> to tired to write
[04:28] <MLow> load lol
[04:29] <MLow> is it just me, or is the mobile site better
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[05:58] <x-f> !flights
[05:58] <SpacenearUS> 03x-f: Current flights: 03LAASE-3: 434.650 SSDV, .600, .073 10(7c05), 03EMF1 10(ac03), 03PS-19 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(ea6f), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[05:58] <x-f> wii
[05:58] <x-f> we're preparing for the LAASE launch in two hours
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[06:31] <malgar> !flights
[06:31] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: Current flights: 03LAASE-3: 434.650 SSDV, .600, .073 10(7c05), 03EMF1 10(ac03), 03PS-19 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(ea6f), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[06:31] <malgar> !whereis B-64
[06:31] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-64 was over 03Stikine Region, BC, Canada 10(59.1721,-133.1969) at 0312185 meters about 035 hours ago
[06:32] <malgar> !whereis B-66
[06:32] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-66 was over 03Kalmansky District, Altayskiy kray, Russia 10(53.0078,83.0759) at 0313472 meters about 032 days ago
[06:32] <malgar> is B-63 lost?
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[06:45] <es5nhc> x-f et al... I'll be trying with my 2m yagi since 70 cm one needs repairs. 4 el DK7ZB. Works well enough at least to pick up DVB-T TX 90 km away on 618 MHz
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[06:46] <es5nhc> Either that or we're having special propagation that bumps up the signal
[06:51] <x-f> good, we're about to start
[06:59] <es5nhc> Would not be certain if I got pictures on that DVB-T DX but it definitely is showing up on the waterfall :P
[06:59] <es5nhc> *TX
[07:01] <es5nhc> Just to be sure -- dl-fldigi 3.21.50 is the latest version?
[07:10] <es5nhc> BTW, x-f, glad to see some activity also from around here... :)
[07:14] <x-f> LAASE livestream is on
[07:14] <x-f> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjvsM3m2xGY
[07:19] <es5nhc> tnx
[07:21] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
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[07:22] <es5nhc> x-f Bits per character setting for 300 bd channel???
[07:22] <es5nhc> 8?
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[07:25] <es5nhc> nevermind, I got stuff sorted with autoconfigure
[07:26] <es5nhc> x-f, good luck down there!
[07:30] <x-f> es5nhc, 8
[07:30] <es5nhc> Yeah, autoconfigure settled it for me
[07:31] <es5nhc> I just realized you could select payloads LOL
[07:33] <tweetBot1> @puucha: LAASE-3 preparing for lift-off. #ukhas http://t.co/p9rOSnFE9e
[07:34] <tweetBot1> @StarSpaceLV: Alternat+vais heshtags #laase3 ir #ukhas .
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[07:36] <tweetBot1> @es5nhc: Going to try to receive signal from balloon LAASE-3, about to launch from Latvia... #ukhas
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[07:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LAASE - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=LAASE
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[07:43] <tweetBot1> @RaivooNET: StarSpace: Alternat+vais heshtags #laase3 ir #ukhas .
[07:44] <es5nhc> Translation: Alternative hashtags #laase3 or #ukhas
[07:46] <es5nhc> Correction: Alternative hashtag to #laase3 is #ukhas
[07:46] Action: es5nhc needs to listen to more Latvian radio
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[07:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RASA - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=RASA
[07:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LAASE-B - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=LAASE-B
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[07:58] <tweetBot1> @StarSpaceLV: #laase3 with @ergotelescope mobile pixel is ready for liftoff. Alternative #ukhas. http://t.co/S29R2qFm2P
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[08:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03B-64 after 036 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=B-64
[08:07] <es5nhc> looks like liftoff
[08:07] <x-f> launched!
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[08:13] <SA6BSS> just got down from the roof, mounted a x300 10,5db antenna with a lna, I will be just outside the 30km circle, but I will listen in on RASA
[08:16] <x-f> good luck, SA6BSS
[08:17] <SA6BSS> tnx, interesting test of reciever equipment :)
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[08:21] <tweetBot1> @RaivooNET: StarSpace: #laase3 with @ergotelescope mobile pixel is ready for liftoff. Alternative #ukhas. http://t.co/3QDAxi1wNh
[08:23] <bertrik> What's a mobile pixel?
[08:25] <SA6BSS> http://www.ergotelescope.org/
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[08:30] <tweetBot1> @puucha: Getting ready for the hunt.#laase3 #ukhas http://t.co/v6hKV9kacw
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[08:51] <es5nhc> hEARING IT!
[08:51] <es5nhc> *Hearing it
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[08:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03x-f_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=x-f_chase
[08:52] <es5nhc> I managed to get the signal outdoors
[08:52] <es5nhc> But yeah, my 2m yagi works too :)
[08:53] <Scott85> the ukhas site really needs a proper index, there is loads of good stuff on there but no way to find it without Googling :(
[08:53] <Scott85> es5nhc, which yagi antenna have you got?
[08:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03pi__chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=pi__chase
[08:54] <es5nhc> 4 el DK7ZB
[08:54] <es5nhc> I have it listening right now atop a hill outdoors.
[08:55] <Scott85> does it rotate then?
[08:55] <es5nhc> Manually :)
[08:55] <es5nhc> I don't have it at a fixed location
[08:55] <es5nhc> I move it around as long as needed
[08:56] <Scott85> oh ok
[08:56] <x-f> no idea why the pictures are green :(
[08:57] <Scott85> which pictures?
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[09:00] <es5nhc> ditto
[09:00] <es5nhc> I am also seeing the SSDV images are all green
[09:00] <es5nhc> as if the white balance was fouled out
[09:00] <es5nhc> or some color component was out of order
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[09:01] <Tramvai> Still got nothing in Tallinn with my regular 1/4waveGP, RTLSDR and no amps.
[09:03] <x-f> i did NOT forget to take off the film from picam
[09:06] <x-f> Tramvai, which frequency?
[09:06] <x-f> we got lost actually :/
[09:06] <thasti> we had the same problem on our raspberry pi HAB mission
[09:06] <thasti> we suspect the camera is very sensitive to RF
[09:07] <Tramvai> I'm trying all 3.
[09:07] <Tramvai> 434.073; 600 and 650.
[09:07] <thasti> 144mhz transmissions (1W) from our payload crashed it regularly (in a way that raspistill hung completely and unfixable except for a pi reboot)
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[09:09] <es5nhc> Did something happen?
[09:09] <es5nhc> Signal very wobbly now
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[09:12] <es5nhc> more normal again now
[09:12] <es5nhc> Oh, colors are fine now on picture!
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[09:19] <tweetBot1> @es5nhc: I hear RASA at least outdoors. With my 2m band 4 el DK7ZB! #ukhas http://t.co/0Jun4LwujA
[09:21] <es5nhc> green again :(
[09:21] <x-f> never did this during the tests :(
[09:22] <thasti> what's the transmission power of the payload?
[09:24] <SA6BSS> next pic looks good
[09:25] <tweetBot1> @AMSAT_UK: Weather permitting another 434 MHz balloon launch from #emfcamp Sunday Aug 31 https://t.co/mEYXY7Xkji #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas @emfcamp
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[09:26] <Tramvai> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/tnmpk3h3lf9kuaj/AABo2KtqqBeRdhalXqGAjF_ka Got nothing.
[09:27] Action: es5nhc using RTL-SDR, antenna: 4 element DK7ZB for 2 meters.
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[09:28] <es5nhc> Frequency drifting a bit, I see
[09:28] <es5nhc> Sometimes both direcctions
[09:28] <amell_> !flights
[09:28] <SpacenearUS> 03amell_: Current flights: 03LAASE-3: 434.650 SSDV, .600, .073 10(7c05), 03kg7juw-5 launch 10(f6a5), 03kg7juw-5 launch 10(8160), 03EMF1 10(ac03), 03PS-19 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(ea6f), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[09:29] <amell_> Which one is the Sunday emf flight?
[09:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> EMF2? Just guessing
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[09:30] <amell_> RocketBoy: Re your mailing list post. The rtty decoder works on mavericks
[09:30] <Tramvai> Anything I can try to improve my signal with the regular GP antenna?
[09:31] <amell_> RocketBoy: I've not tried the turbohab one yet
[09:31] <Rebounder> sri... fw for laase/rasa?
[09:31] <Rebounder> fq
[09:31] Action: Rebounder blind
[09:32] <SA6BSS> !flights
[09:32] <SpacenearUS> 03SA6BSS: Current flights: 03LAASE-3: 434.650 SSDV, .600, .073 10(7c05), 03kg7juw-5 launch 10(f6a5), 03kg7juw-5 launch 10(8160), 03EMF1 10(ac03), 03PS-19 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(ea6f), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[09:32] <F1VJQ> Tramvai You could try a shorter feeder, or better quality feeder, or a higher place for the antenna,
[09:32] <amell_> Anyone else find the repeated queries to SpacenearUS bot slightly annoying? :)
[09:33] <Rebounder> SA6BSS: mmm, såg lite snett, lite stressad.. min funcube vkerar få qrm deluxe...
[09:33] <SA6BSS> hehe
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[09:35] <Ox17> Fldigi on Pi at 60% CPU. I don`t do user support. https://github.com/hexameron/RaspberryPiRecipes/blob/master/built/sdr/dlfldigi-on-pi.jpg
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[09:35] <F1VJQ> amell NO... people use it when they log in...
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[09:36] <fsphil> or chatting it seems
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[09:45] <es5nhc> What's the transmission power, x-f?
[09:46] <x-f> 10 mW as usual
[09:46] <es5nhc> Nice...
[09:46] <es5nhc> then my 2m yagi works quite well for listening also on 70 cm :)
[09:48] <Rebounder> trying to locate some signal but have a hill in the way and only simple dipole
[09:48] <Tramvai> Aww man, still got nothing.
[09:48] <Tramvai> gg
[09:53] <x-f> went higher than expected
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[09:56] <es5nhc> burst :(
[09:57] <es5nhc> Well, that explains the QSB I noticed when I went to bring the computer indoors
[09:57] <Rebounder> x-f: weel placed chase :)
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[10:02] <fsphil> who's RASA?
[10:02] <x-f> we are
[10:03] <fsphil> ah ha, indeed
[10:03] <fsphil> nice pics
[10:06] <x-f> some are weirdly green though
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[10:10] <MLow> i wonder why that is
[10:10] <fsphil> the little protective cover still on?
[10:11] <fsphil> though the other images wouldn't be as clear if it was
[10:11] <MLow> im not saying it's aliens
[10:11] <fsphil> green is their colour of choice
[10:12] <fsphil> near-space invaders
[10:13] <MLow> how are these sstv images coming in? im curious?
[10:13] <x-f> fsphil, i took it off :)
[10:14] <fsphil> it's ssdv, gets sent via rtty along with the regular telemetry
[10:14] <es5nhc> OK, turning off the station... figured I'd try also indoor reception but the thingy burst just when I was moving stuff indoors.
[10:14] <es5nhc> But it was nice... got to test equipment too
[10:14] <x-f> thanks for tracking, es5nhc
[10:14] <es5nhc> Indoors I managed to still get a slight trace
[10:15] <fsphil> there's something in image 237
[10:15] <fsphil> doesn't look like a ray from the sun
[10:15] <es5nhc> Indeed
[10:15] <MLow> ahem
[10:16] <es5nhc> BTW.. re: greenish imgs - go check RGB values whether there are any components missing
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[10:16] <MLow> ...not saying it's aliens, but.
[10:16] <es5nhc> but aliens
[10:16] <es5nhc> Either that or Ruskies
[10:16] <fsphil> 9km up, could be an aircraft above the payload
[10:16] <MLow> spacecraft*
[10:17] <es5nhc> Oh great, then an aircraft thinks they saw an UFO lol
[10:17] <MLow> nah they dont report that kind of stuff for fear they will "disappear"
[10:17] <es5nhc> Zoomed in a bit... Yep, looks like wings too
[10:18] <es5nhc> Do you have any ears also in the supposed landing area?
[10:19] <x-f> just us
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[10:23] <x-f> greens, but dl-fldigi won't upload the decodes!
[10:25] <MLow> uh oh
[10:26] <es5nhc> Can anyone point me to the most recent version of dl-fldigi? I did not see color coding in my versyon
[10:26] <es5nhc> e.g greens etc
[10:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> !wiki dl-fldigi
[10:27] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Found 034 results for you query
[10:27] <Rebounder> in da wood
[10:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> es5nhc, 3.21.50 is latest version
[10:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[10:30] <es5nhc> Have it here too.
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[10:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YL2RZ_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=YL2RZ_chase
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[11:31] <es5nhc> I take the burst take place around 09:50Z? Because that's when on my recording QSB kicked in...
[11:31] <es5nhc> I was just recording before packing stuff up... so apparently I packed my staff up and brought back indoors just at the right time
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[12:17] <on1bhm> what is the freq of EMF1?
[12:20] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yesterday's flight ?
[12:20] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !payload EMF1
[12:20] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Payload 03EMF1 10(ac03) - 03434.29 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/450Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[12:23] <on1bhm> spacenear us shows EMF1 above me
[12:24] <on1bhm> don't hear anything on 434.290
[12:24] <lz1dev> !ping emf1
[12:24] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Last contact with 03EMF1 was 0316 hours ago
[12:25] <on1bhm> ok
[12:25] <lz1dev> :)
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[12:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It flew yesterday I suspect its long gone, the Tx power was quite low.
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[12:39] <amell> was there a second emf launch today?
[12:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> not yet
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[12:47] <bertrik> I could just barely hear EMF1 yesterday even though it was sufficiently in range of the receiver
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[13:15] <Laurenceb__> !ping emf2
[13:15] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: No contact from 03emf2
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[13:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=UBSEDS2
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[13:42] <DL7AD_mobile> G'afternoon
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[13:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> !payload UBSEDS2
[13:45] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Tab: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[13:45] <chrisg7ogx> hello i think we're waiting for a balloon launch
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[14:04] <F1VJQ> EMF14 packets here> http://www.ukhas.net/nodeInfo?id=81
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[14:10] <mfa298> F1VJQ: there's quite a few nodes at EMF and some good repeating going on looking at the logs (but I'm not sure how spread out the nodes are)
[14:10] <F1VJQ> mfa298 It would be interesting to know!
[14:11] <F1VJQ> I've seen P01, DB01, DB02 so far
[14:11] <mfa298> ah I just saw the email saying that's what they're planning to send up
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[14:12] <mfa298> the #ukhasnet bot should be just about to join (and it has)
[14:12] <mfa298> !node EMF14
[14:12] -Latobius:#highaltitude- Node EMF14, Uploaded by DB01 via [EMF14] at 2014-08-31 14:12:18.06727 id is 1209780, Uploaded by DB01 via [EMF14,DB02] at 2014-08-31 14:12:18.67463 id is 1209781
[14:13] <lz1dev> lol
[14:13] <F1VJQ> mfa298 I'm not sure if those nodes are part of the flight package or will stay on the ground...
[14:13] <F1VJQ> Hello Bot
[14:13] <mfa298> so the last packet took two routes both of which are uploaded by DB01
[14:14] <F1VJQ> AH1 also seen
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[14:14] <mfa298> I'd assume most of the nodes will stay on the ground, so just EMF14 flying
[14:14] <F1VJQ> P01, DB01, DB02, AH1 seen so far in the packets
[14:15] <mfa298> you can also take one of those ID numbers and:
[14:15] <mfa298> !upload 1209781
[14:15] -Latobius:#highaltitude- Packet: 4rT27[EMF14,DB02] was recieved by DB01 at 2014-08-31 14:12:18.674632 with rssi of 0
[14:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JOEY - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=JOEY
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[14:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> ? Will the bot's start talking to each other ?
[14:15] <daveake> I think that happened here years ago
[14:16] <mfa298> hopefully not (and I'll probably send Latobius back to only inhabit #ukhasnet after the flight)
[14:16] <mfa298> with the current #ukhasnet bot if any other bot answers it they're breaking the IRC spec (as it's using NOTIFY instead of PRIVMSG)
[14:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JOEY_b - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=JOEY_b
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[14:27] <number10> !payload JOEY
[14:27] <SpacenearUS> 03number10: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[14:27] <chrisg7ogx> UBSEDS2 and Joey B together
[14:27] <solitude> Hi guys, quick question, the "neck lift" value here: http://habhub.org/calc/ its the amount of weight which should float with the amount of required helium?
[14:27] <number10> do you know joey freq?
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> solitude: yes
[14:28] <chrisg7ogx> no
[14:28] <solitude> thanks
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> solitude: it's the tension on a string tied to the balloon
[14:28] <solitude> what?
[14:29] <number10> if you want it to float solitude you need to select a low ascent rate
[14:29] <solitude> I have a bottle weighing that much and fill the balloon intil it doesnt descend
[14:29] <solitude> I use the "neck lift" to find out how much helium I need , isnt that right?
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[14:31] <solitude> Ihello?
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> solitude: yes - that's correct
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[14:34] <richardeoin> UBSEDS2 waiting for launch https://i.imgur.com/fN13fqm.jpg
[14:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Can someone give us a freq
[14:35] <solitude> Ok. http://i.imgur.com/pm6Zmf4.png Correct right?
[14:36] <lz1dev> lol
[14:36] <lz1dev> yeh
[14:36] <richardeoin> 434.634 for UBSEDS when we get round to launching
[14:37] <solitude> lzldev, was reply to me?
[14:37] <richardeoin> 434.610 for Joey I think
[14:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Which one has the turbocode modulation?
[14:38] <lz1dev> solitude: yes
[14:38] <solitude> OK.Then what did I do wrong with my launch. I followed all the instructions for filling, making the box, taping, etc :(
[14:39] <richardeoin> Geoff-G8DHE-Tab: Joey alternates rtty / turbohab
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[14:39] <lz1dev> solitude: balloon bursed at lower altitude?
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[14:39] <solitude> No, payload is missing
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[14:40] <solitude> I used a Spot Trace and had a gymball to keep it facing upwards. Even threw the box down the stairs few times and it was alright
[14:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> OK, and USBEDS1 ?
[14:40] <solitude> Even if it fell between rocks or something, I would get at least a few gps updates before that
[14:40] <lz1dev> you used SPOT as a tracker?
[14:41] <solitude> but no update after 30 minutes or something after it went above 6000 meters
[14:41] <solitude> yes, few people have used them with success. Plus a gymball to keep it facing up
[14:41] <number10> was it descending on the last updates solitude
[14:41] <richardeoin> Geoff-G8DHE-Tab: rtty only
[14:41] <solitude> no, ascending,
[14:42] <lz1dev> so you never got a position of it landing?
[14:42] <number10> well i think you need to question your tracking method rather than the fill method solitude
[14:43] <solitude> number10, but everyone I've heard using it dont have a problem. Plus, again, it should have given an update while descending even if fell under bushes, rocks, etc....
[14:43] <solitude> I dont know what could have possibly gone wrong. Any ideas?
[14:43] <lz1dev> hit sometihng hard
[14:44] <lz1dev> fell somewhere where it can't send a position update
[14:44] <solitude> But before that why didnt I get an update, which I do every 5 minutes
[14:44] <solitude> while descending
[14:44] <daveake> Spot isn't 100% reliable
[14:45] <daveake> And if you didn't get an update during descent, it failed one way or another
[14:45] <solitude> but for other reasons
[14:45] <lz1dev> there tons of way it can fail
[14:45] <lz1dev> ways*
[14:45] <solitude> well Im asking what do you think went wrong (before it hit the ground)
[14:46] <lz1dev> maybe it got shaken during hte burst
[14:46] <lz1dev> battery moved
[14:46] <lz1dev> or battery was low
[14:46] <lz1dev> or some wierdness of how SPOT works
[14:46] <mattbrejza> #habhub
[14:46] <solitude> battery was full, lithium energizer. 4xAAA
[14:46] <lz1dev> they could've moved out of place?
[14:46] <lz1dev> for example
[14:47] <solitude> battery I dont think could move, I can show pictures of how rigid it is, I have another Spot trace
[14:47] <daveake> Thing is, with a spot, you won't ever know what went wrong
[14:48] <daveake> At least with radio trackers you usually get a clu
[14:48] <daveake> e
[14:48] <daveake> plus they're more reliable anyway
[14:48] <lz1dev> listeners are closer
[14:48] <lz1dev> in general :D
[14:48] <solitude> and expensive, and requiring technical knowledge. But yeah.
[14:48] <mattbrejza> might be getting the emf payloads up soonish
[14:49] <daveake> mattbrejza Flying ukhasnet or not?
[14:49] <mattbrejza> yep
[14:49] <daveake> excellent
[14:49] <number10> mattbrejza: what joey freq?
[14:49] <mattbrejza> .610
[14:49] <daveake> 1) I want to see how that goes
[14:49] <number10> ta
[14:49] <daveake> 2) Saves me flying one on Wednesday :)
[14:49] <mattbrejza> hehe
[14:50] <solitude> maybe I connected the parachute wrongly to the payload box, or the top cover of the box to the box? How do you guys do that?
[14:50] <daveake> 3) I can put up te 868 yagi
[14:52] <solitude> guys?
[14:53] <daveake> yes guys
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[14:53] <daveake> one to each corner
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[14:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Kg7juw-5_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=Kg7juw-5_chase
[14:59] <F1VJQ> Is it really 34 degrees in UK? Or is that a reading inside a tent?
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[15:00] <fsphil> not a chance :)
[15:00] <fsphil> about 15c here
[15:00] <lz1dev> yeh
[15:00] <lz1dev> we'd be dead if it was 34C
[15:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> 21.7° here on the coast
[15:01] <daveake> Usually we complain about how cold/wet/foggy/snowy/windy it is
[15:01] <fsphil> oh nice Geoff-G8DHE
[15:01] <daveake> We're not used to programmed about how hot it is
[15:01] <mfa298> 34F would be more believable except F went out with the dinosaurs this side of the pond
[15:01] <daveake> er
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[15:01] <daveake> Remove used/programmed
[15:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> quite pleasent if I didn't have a sodding cold :-(
[15:01] <fsphil> know the feeling
[15:02] <fsphil> lots of lemsip
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> wife brought it back from Lanacashire last week
[15:02] <mattbrejza> payloads almost ready to go
[15:02] <mattbrejza> perhaps 10min
[15:02] <mattbrejza> turbohab, rtty, ukhsanet
[15:02] <fsphil> I'm blaming the scottish for mine
[15:02] <daveake> Don't they sell lemsip locally then?
[15:03] <fsphil> wot, no thor and domex too? :)
[15:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> no they just wander around in the Mizzle up there ;-)
[15:03] <daveake> mattbrejza what alt expected?
[15:03] <daveake> Have to pop out but if it's up and high later can try and rx
[15:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> will there be a flight doc ?
[15:03] <mfa298> someone should have had a thor payload going for the conference
[15:03] <mattbrejza> there is but seems not approved
[15:04] <mattbrejza> maybe 22km
[15:04] <daveake> ta
[15:04] <Upu> got one here mfa298
[15:05] <F1VJQ> So.... what is the T30 actually telling us?
[15:05] <amell> is there a flight happening right now? cant see it on map
[15:06] <mfa298> T is temperature
[15:06] <F1VJQ> or T34 as it was...
[15:06] <F1VJQ> I know that
[15:06] <F1VJQ> T34 means temperature 34 degrees, but it is not 34 in UK....
[15:06] <mfa298> I imagine that's inside the tent which could well be 34C
[15:08] <amell> flight in progress?
[15:08] <amell> im a bit confused. i saw an email saying flight at 2.30pm.
[15:08] <amell> EMF14 - but not on habhub or snus
[15:09] <amell> maybe this is a habtime issue.
[15:09] <mfa298> amell: EMF14 is a ukhasnet node but only has temperature on it
[15:09] <mfa298> but there's other payloads with gps as well
[15:09] <amell> whats the turbohab one called?
[15:09] <F1VJQ> amell the punctuality/slippage meter is running
[15:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> JOEY
[15:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> on 434.637 in the email
[15:10] <mattbrejza> ok flights apprved
[15:10] <amell> yes, habtime is highly variable with respect to UTC
[15:10] <mattbrejza> joey is on .610
[15:10] <mfa298> !wiki ISH
[15:10] <SpacenearUS> 03mfa298: Found 036 results for you query - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/start?do=search&id=ISH
[15:10] <mattbrejza> theres is anoher called ubseds
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[15:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> !payload UBSEDS1
[15:10] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[15:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> !payload UBSEDS
[15:11] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[15:11] <amell> !payload UBSEDS2
[15:11] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Payload 03UBSEDS2 10(3e17) - 03434.643 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[15:11] <amell> see.
[15:11] <amell> Im ahead of the curve here
[15:11] <mfa298> what SpacenearUS should have given you is http://ukhas.org.uk/general:glossary:ish
[15:12] <amell> !payload JOEY_b
[15:12] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[15:12] <amell> !payload JOEY
[15:12] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Payload 03JOEY 10(3e17) - 03434.612 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/350Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[15:14] <amell> turbohab decoder - do i use AFSK or FSK?
[15:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its not clear from the email either
[15:17] <amell> shame i cant seem to run multiple java decoders - that would have been handy
[15:17] <amell> all set here.
[15:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> I've got two running under win7x64
[15:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> but they only listen on the primary soundboard
[15:18] <tweetBot1> @SUSpaceflight: @emfcamp not long now. #ukhas http://t.co/CeNmasNsz1
[15:18] <amell> which direction is this flight headed in?
[15:18] <fsphil> up
[15:18] <amell> and
[15:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> prediction says se
[15:19] <amell> Geoff bound then
[15:19] <fsphil> away from me, though at that altitude it *might* come into range
[15:21] <amell> is it intended to be a no-recovery flight btw?
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[15:25] <es5nhc> Any professional alpinists going to Latvia, lol? Looks like our Latvian friends need one - https://twitter.com/StarSpaceLV
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[15:29] <F1VJQ> UBSED2 330m
[15:30] <F1VJQ> UBSEDS2 heading SE
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[15:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/USBEDS2-JOEY_20140831/
[15:33] <F1VJQ> Geoff-G8DHE US Beds?
[15:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Could be :-) Bristol
[15:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah I see
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[15:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/UBSEDS2-JOEY_20140831/
[15:38] <jededu> green from joey
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[15:40] <richardeoin> Visualisation already! Thanks Geoff-G8DHE
[15:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> The names and times are now all corrected ;-)
[15:43] <es5nhc> http://www.tarmotanilsoo.com/gqrx-20140831-094854.mp3 - recording from the Latvian balloon's 300 bd transponder at 09:48:54 UTC. I believe the burst is also in this recording
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[15:48] <amell> nothing here yet.
[15:48] <mfa298> !node EMF14
[15:48] -Latobius:#highaltitude- Node EMF14, Uploaded by CONF0 via [EMF14,AH1] at 2014-08-31 15:48:47.05699 id is 1211703, Uploaded by CONF0 via [EMF14,AH1,P01] at 2014-08-31 15:48:47.89504 id is 1211704
[15:49] <mfa298> still getting data from the ukhasnet node with the others at ~1.6KM altitude, that's a good start :)
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[15:52] <amell> keep meaning to do a ukhasnet node seeing as i have 4 x RFM69HW here.
[15:55] <Brian-G0HDI> UBSED2 Green
[15:56] <amell> seeing something getting stronger at 434.600
[15:58] <fsphil> what frequency for ukhas?
[15:58] <amell> !payload EMF14
[15:58] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[15:59] <rob_m0dts> 869.5MHz
[16:00] <mfa298> the ukhasnet node will be on 869.500
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[16:00] <mfa298> still some packets coming through :)
[16:05] <lz1dev> !flights
[16:05] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Current flights: 03LAASE-3: 434.650 SSDV, .600, .073 10(7c05), 03EMF14Sun 10(3e17), 03kg7juw-5 launch 10(f6a5), 03kg7juw-5 launch 10(8160), 03EMF1 10(ac03), 03PS-19 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(ea6f), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[16:05] <lz1dev> !dial ac03
[16:05] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Payload 03EMF1 10(ac03) - 03434.29 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/450Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[16:06] <lz1dev> actually
[16:06] <lz1dev> !dial 3e17
[16:06] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Payload 03JOEY BINARY 10(3e17) - 03434.6125 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/250Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[16:06] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Payload 03JOEY 10(3e17) - 03434.612 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/350Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[16:06] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Payload 03UBSEDS2 10(3e17) - 03434.643 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[16:06] <MaXimaN> Yay, getting greens on JOEY now
[16:08] <Laurenceb__> is there a UKHASnet balloon flying?
[16:09] <amell> yes
[16:09] <amell> partials on joey, keeps fading in and out on the lower tone.
[16:10] <amell> cant seem to get the java decoder to lock on the lines for some reason
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[16:11] <MaXimaN> It does keep fading
[16:11] <mfa298> amell: the java decoder should find the signal itself you don't need to do anything (but it might need enough audio to determine what's rtty and whats noise
[16:12] <amell> FSK or AFSK?
[16:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> FSK here
[16:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> But the Java is not locking on dl-fldigi is ok on 50baud
[16:14] <Laurenceb__> i dont see any updates on UKHASnet
[16:15] <mfa298> Laurenceb__: it's still getting some packets
[16:15] <Laurenceb__> hmm
[16:15] <mfa298> !node EMF14
[16:15] -Latobius:#highaltitude- Node EMF14, Uploaded by DB01 via [EMF14,CS1,DB02] at 2014-08-31 16:14:13.0549 id is 1212104
[16:15] <mattbrejza> signal is too strong to see turbohab working so far :P
[16:15] <mfa298> you can also look at http://www.ukhas.net/nodeInfo?id=81
[16:16] <Laurenceb__> huh
[16:16] <Laurenceb__> were is the GPS?>
[16:16] <mfa298> I don't think it has any gps on the ukhasnet node
[16:16] <Laurenceb__> lolz
[16:16] <Laurenceb__> no wonder the map isnt updating
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[16:17] <mfa298> I think there's probably enough other gps trackers on that balloon :)
[16:17] <Laurenceb__> so its downlinking to the EMF camp?
[16:18] <MaXimaN> Yes
[16:18] <mfa298> currently, and will downlink via other ukhasnet gateways if it's in tange of any
[16:18] <mfa298> although I'm not sure anyone has anything suitable setup
[16:18] <MaXimaN> Hmmmm... did something happen to JOEY?
[16:18] <MaXimaN> Im just getting the low tone now
[16:18] <MaXimaN> Last decode was 3m ago
[16:19] <amell> gone for me too
[16:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> when it switches speed to 300 it goes on low tone
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[16:21] <MaXimaN> Hmmm... what should I switch my settings to?
[16:21] <G6SUQ_Graham> JOEY about to fly over my head in the next few minutes
[16:21] <amell> no idea. ive given up on this.
[16:21] <Laurenceb__> is CS1 a yagi?
[16:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nothing from the Java decoders they don't seem to be able to track
[16:22] <G6SUQ_Graham> what freq for JOEY and JOEY_b?
[16:23] <mattbrejza> .610
[16:23] <G6SUQ_Graham> okay, tks
[16:26] <Laurenceb__> EMF14,CS1,P01,DB01,DB
[16:26] <Laurenceb__> ^it went through all those nodes?
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[16:27] <mfa298> Laurenceb__: all those nodes in sequence to get to a gateway. It probably also managed something more direct as well
[16:27] Nick change: uwe__ -> uwe_
[16:27] <Laurenceb__> odd
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[16:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anybody any luck with the java decoder ?
[16:28] <mfa298> most of those are at EMF so they'll have repeated it and the gateways will upload all packets they see
[16:28] <Laurenceb__> ah
[16:29] <Laurenceb__> CS1 is at EMF?
[16:29] <mfa298> the only real logic is that a node won't repeat a packet if it's already in the path, but otherwise it'll repeat the packet.
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[16:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/UBSEDS2-JOEY_20140831/index.php?ind=6
[16:31] <Laurenceb__> this is working quite well
[16:31] <Laurenceb__> does CS1 have a yagi?
[16:32] <Laurenceb__> is it possible to ping the balloon?
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[16:37] <maxmed> right, I'm going to have another crack at tracking a balloon today, I've realized that yesterday I wasn't listening to the right signal :( I've found what I thik is the a signal at 434.636.65, Am I right in thinking that is UBSEDS2?
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[16:39] <rob_m0dts> dont think i'm going to get a look at receiving EMF14, moving south too quickly!
[16:39] <G6SUQ_Graham> maxmed: that's it
[16:40] <JP_> I'm picking it up on my testbench
[16:40] <JP_> with a wire as an antenna
[16:41] <mfa298> getting decodes as well JP_ ?
[16:41] <JP_> Firsttime, yeah- its green? What am I meant to look for?
[16:41] <JP_> Gone red again
[16:42] <JP_> But numbers are being spat out
[16:42] <mfa298> Green is good as that means the packet passed the checksum.
[16:42] <JP_> its going green/red
[16:42] <mfa298> if you've selected the payload from the dropdown list it might show you distance and bearing as well.
[16:42] <JP_> I'll just increase squelch
[16:43] <G6SUQ_Graham> if you feed the sig into DL-FLDIGI and set the params right, it will decode for you
[16:43] <mfa298> on the radio it's usually best to turn the squelch right down. and turn it off in dl-fldigi
[16:43] <G6SUQ_Graham> JP... and open the bandwidth to abt 200
[16:44] <mfa298> if you've set a callsign and lat/long/altitude in dl-fldigi you should appear on the map and in the list of receivers when you upload a good (green) packet
[16:44] <F1VJQ> Squelch is only to suppress weak sigs.. when you have a sig, you do not want squelch
[16:44] <JP_> I'm losing the signal now
[16:44] <JP_> Its flying away fast now
[16:44] <maxmed> what are the params for UBSEDS2?
[16:44] <JP_> yeah gone now, that was quick
[16:45] <mfa298> JP_: is you're callsign in dl-fldigi set to JP404 ?
[16:45] <JP_> Hahaha yes
[16:45] <mfa298> the stats show you've uploaded 11 packets :)
[16:45] <JP_> FTTY-50?
[16:45] <JP_> Yay!
[16:45] <mfa298> http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/ click flight list then EMF14Sun
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[16:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG7JUW-5 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=KG7JUW-5
[16:48] <JP_> ah I see
[16:52] <tweetBot1> @thecraag: 65km range from hacked-together balloon-borne #UKHASnet node. Lost due to hill at 4.3 degrees elevation. Great first launch! #ukhas #emfcamp
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[16:55] <pd3t_> 50/430 ?
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[17:00] <jededu> Can somone approve this flight doc please 5c4a532db2ccd36d76f28c1e1bc32e1a
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[17:01] <maxmed> I have finally succeeded in decoding the telementry and they are consistently passing checksum! but the information isn't coming up in the boxes at the top, only the callsign and time since last rx, any ideas why?
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[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[17:04] <G6SUQ_Graham> maxmed: same here (no info at top), poss some setting on the server?
[17:06] <maxmed> ah I just fixed it- you have to selct the right payload a sit doesn tcome up with the correct one by default, you need UBSEDS2 not Joey binary
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[17:06] <mfa298> I think some of the fields only work if the payload sends decimal degrees (I don't know what this one is sending)
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[17:11] <maxmed> is anyone else getting another signal as well as the two tones that keeps overlapping meaning you can't decode?
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[17:11] <SpeedEvil> maxmed: that's likely local to you
[17:12] <Ron_G8FJG> not here
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> tones overlapping?
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> like the two lines in dl-fldigi being really close to each other?
[17:13] <maxmed> no the two tones where still there but there was a third strong signal which was moving slightly and kept overlapping with one of the tones
[17:14] <maxmed> now I've adjusted it and lost the two tones :(
[17:14] <Brian-G0HDI> Not here, but up and down in frequency like a yoyo. UBSEDS2
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[17:16] <tweetBot1> @thecraag: We're flying a UKHASnet repeater on a hexcopter to see if we can bridge contact with the EMF12 UKHASnet HAB #ukhas http://t.co/An5IzDyxrO
[17:17] <Ron_G8FJG> there is a satellite that comes round about every 90 mins and puts a signal right through this part of the band.
[17:17] <Ron_G8FJG> not been able to id it, but you can tell by the doppler
[17:18] <pd3t> what is joeys freq?
[17:18] <maxmed> I saw something like that a short while ago, a signal that was moving fairly rapidly
[17:18] <number10> .611 pd3t
[17:18] <pd3t> and joeyb?
[17:19] <number10> I think its the same - just different telemetry
[17:22] <Ron_G8FJG> roller coaster ride on ubseds2
[17:24] <pd3t> indeed @ Ron_G8FJG
[17:24] <pd3t> number10: what are the settings for joey?
[17:25] <maxmed> how many bits per charecter is ubseds2?
[17:25] <pd3t> 8n2 50/430
[17:27] <richardeoin> Ron_G8FJG:
[17:27] <richardeoin> The crystal on ubseds2 had some major rework
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[17:27] <richardeoin> Sorry for the roller coaster ride ;)
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[17:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPIC1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=EDUPIC1
[17:30] <Brian-G0HDI> Just taken some Quells lol
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[17:31] <jededu> EDUPIC Launch in 10 mins 434.650
[17:31] <Brian-G0HDI> Crumbs! we're spoilt today
[17:31] <jededu> 0550 baud 8n2
[17:32] <Brian-G0HDI> Nice!
[17:32] <jededu> 100g latex floater
[17:32] <Ron_G8FJG> I've run out of resourses
[17:33] <G6SUQ_Graham> is EDUPIC going up today?
[17:34] <Ron_G8FJG> resources///cant speel
[17:34] <pd3t> jededu: does edupic do ssdv today?
[17:36] Nick change: Maxell_ -> Maxell
[17:36] <pd3t> mogge Maxell
[17:36] <Maxell> hoi
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[17:44] <Maxell> pd3t: quite weak for me...
[17:46] <Maxell> Java decoder not even picking up the normal RTTY.
[17:46] <Maxell> Going to give up with the TurboHAB decoder too
[17:46] <Maxell> Not even locked on...
[17:48] <Maxell> Oh, 0.7 degrees elevation.
[17:48] <Maxell> Thats not a lot..
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[17:49] <Maxell> RTTY via dl-fldigi is all greens.
[17:49] Nick change: bruno -> Guest15056
[17:50] <Guest15056> Hello all
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[17:51] <Maxell> Hey there.
[17:51] <Maxell> bye
[17:51] <Maxell> pd3t: UBSEDS2 not going too well either?
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[17:55] <F1VJQ> Which payload is strongest/decodes best?
[17:55] <F1VJQ> Looks as if I may get some signals as it flies past
[17:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> The freq. stability is terrible at the moment for both of them
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[17:57] <pe2bz> !payload joey
[17:57] <SpacenearUS> 03pe2bz: Payload 03JOEY 10(3e17) - 03434.612 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/350Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[17:57] <amell> is edupic1 up?
[17:57] <F1VJQ> Aargh!!
[17:58] <amell> !payload edupic1
[17:58] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Payload 03EDUPIC1 10(5951) - 03434.325 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/430Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[17:58] <mattbrejza> Maxell: i intend to add a non auto thing for the decoder
[17:58] <Maxell> !ping edupic1
[17:58] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Last contact with 03EDUPIC1 was 03a minute ago
[17:58] <amell> is that the right frequency?
[17:58] <pe2bz> Joey 's shift seems to be about 550 Hz
[17:59] <amell> jededu: pls confirm freq for edupic1?
[17:59] <pe2bz> And a question: On 434.626 MHz I have a rtty signal which goes up and down 2 kHz in frequency. No fldigi reads, anyone an idea ?
[17:59] <jededu> 464.650
[18:00] <amell> ok flight doc has wrong freq
[18:00] <jededu> I know sorry
[18:00] <Maxell> F1VJQ: UBSEDS2 is not great either I think
[18:01] <jededu> Thermal already ?
[18:01] <F1VJQ> Maxell I'll have to see what I can pull out of the hat!
[18:01] <Maxell> mattbrejza: and will it decode if it can't autodetect it?
[18:01] <mattbrejza> yea
[18:02] <mattbrejza> the afc is separate
[18:02] <Maxell> ok
[18:02] <Maxell> nice
[18:02] <amell> something is transmitting rtty on 434.660?
[18:02] <Maxell> And it looks like it doesn't remember my callsign/loc/etc...
[18:03] <Maxell> amell: JOEY + dongle drift?
[18:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah JOEY is not so bad its the UBSEDS2 that is now cutting out as well
[18:03] <Maxell> amell: 434.660 MHz empty on the waterfall in The Hague
[18:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> No very little drift my dongles are never switched off and in there own boxes
[18:04] <jededu> Nice slow ascent
[18:05] <F1VJQ> Sigs from Joey just appearing... not strong enogh for decode yet
[18:05] <F1VJQ> it's over my horizon!
[18:06] <F1VJQ> Geoff-G8DHE How many TX on payload? I have Joey 612 - what others?
[18:08] <Maxell> !flight 3e17
[18:08] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Flight 10(3e17): 03EMF14Sun 10(3 payloads) - Launch date 03Today at 14:45 from 03Buckinghamshire, UK 10(52,-0.9)
[18:08] <Maxell> hmm
[18:08] <Maxell> !payload 3e17
[18:08] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03JOEY BINARY 10(3e17) - 03434.6125 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/250Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[18:08] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03JOEY 10(3e17) - 03434.612 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/350Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[18:08] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03UBSEDS2 10(3e17) - 03434.643 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[18:08] <Maxell> F1VJQ: ^
[18:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Two transmitters UBSEDU2 on 434.625 about and JOEY + JOEY-b one transmitter two modes 434.610
[18:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> first mode is 50B/530Hz second is 300b
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[18:10] <F1VJQ> Geoff-G8DHE OK Thanks... hearing Joey but not strong enough for decode as it comes over my horizon
[18:10] <amell> i need to get rid of this shit rtl dongle. I really do
[18:10] <F1VJQ> amell seconded!!
[18:11] <mikestir> wish there was more use of olivia and contestia. I've been able to see edupic on the waterfall for some time now and it's still below my horizon
[18:11] <mikestir> I reckon it would decode if it was contestia or olivia
[18:11] <mikestir> here it comes
[18:12] <jededu> 05mikestir that is the next step but in BASIC there is no reference
[18:12] <jededu> 05That I know of
[18:12] <Maxell> Wow nice red colour very hard to read.
[18:13] <jededu> Looks ok here
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[18:13] <pd3t> Maxell: ubsed is drfiting like crazy i had good decodes but atm it's kinda hard to get greens
[18:15] <Maxell> pd3t: I could join the UBSEDS2 party
[18:15] <Maxell> pd3t: dial? I can't hear anything on 434.643 MHz
[18:15] <Maxell> s/can't/do not/
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[18:16] <pd3t> hihi somewhere between 434.630 and 32
[18:16] <Maxell> outch
[18:18] Action: pd3t is leaving joey and ubseds2. all red lines and unable to track it.
[18:19] <pd3t> it's drifting outside my filters
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[18:19] <Maxell> pd3t: wow UBSEDS2 is really bad.
[18:19] <pd3t> yep
[18:19] <Maxell> also turning tx off does not help
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[18:20] <pd3t> it's going all over the place
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[18:22] <F1VJQ> I can hear and see trace from Joey... no decode yet
[18:22] <F1VJQ> But then I am on the outer edge north of Bordeaux!
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[18:24] <F1VJQ> I reckon the shift is about 525
[18:24] <pe2bz> $$UBSEDS2,18:23:24,49.62656,1.4409-7,17961,0-
[18:24] <pe2bz> manually tuning correction ;-)
[18:25] <craag_philcrump> evening all
[18:26] <pe2bz> good evening !
[18:26] <craag_philcrump> hows the binary protocol?
[18:27] <G6SUQ_Graham> There are 10 things we need to discuss about the binary protocol
[18:27] <craag_philcrump> :D
[18:27] <amell> 1. I cannot receive it.
[18:27] <F1VJQ> G6SUQ_Graham LOL
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[18:28] <Rebounder> 0. Undefined
[18:28] <F1VJQ> There are 10 types of people - those who understand binary and those who don't!
[18:28] <F1VJQ> I'd have had this decoded in Contestiag
[18:28] <F1VJQ> -g
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[18:29] <craag_philcrump> F1VJQ: It's a lot higher baudrate than contestia
[18:29] <Maxell> pe2bz: yeah it's really bad
[18:29] <Maxell> I gave up
[18:29] <F1VJQ> craag_philcrump and a lot lower decode rate :-(
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[18:29] <Maxell> even manual anti-drift is not working
[18:30] <craag_philcrump> F1VJQ: That's how it works :)
[18:31] <Maxell> craag_philcrump: auto-tuning does not pick it up.
[18:31] <pe2bz> I'm giving up too. Childrens bed time, daddy's story telling time... Bye !
[18:31] <Maxell> mattbrejza said it might decode if I would be able to manully tune it.
[18:31] <Maxell> cya
[18:31] <craag_philcrump> Yeah software is WIP
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[18:31] <F1VJQ> 19km Hmm it'll probably do the usual thing and descend before I get a decent decode!
[18:32] <Maxell> craag_philcrump: also filling in contact info sux
[18:32] <Maxell> it also keeps telling me "inactive"
[18:32] <Maxell> unable to find the start button?
[18:32] <amell> anyone have a second hand FCD they want to lose?
[18:32] <mikestir> edupic has gone very weak all of a sudden
[18:33] <craag_philcrump> Maxell: Software is on matt's github, pull reqs are welcome :)
[18:33] <Maxell> I hope "inactive" means it's waiting for any sign of information, but could also mean I did something stupid and it waits for user interaction
[18:33] <Maxell> ugh
[18:33] <Maxell> nope
[18:33] <Maxell> :P
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[18:33] <Maxell> not going to put that on my list :P
[18:34] <Ron_G8FJG> green for EDUPIC
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[18:34] <jededu> 05This one should float :)
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[18:35] <mfa298> amell: I think the funcube Pro+ (which is ideally what you'de want) is new enough not many people will be getting rid of them
[18:35] <amell> someone must be desperate :)
[18:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> the JOEY transmissions also doesn't help with the long pause and only 2 $$ leadin characrters the AFC adjusts after the two characters and distroys the callsign
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[18:36] <pd3t> !payload 5951
[18:36] <SpacenearUS> 03pd3t: Payload 03EDUPIC1 10(5951) - 03434.325 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/430Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[18:36] <F1VJQ> I'm off to eat... I'll have to leave AFC to cope with Joey....
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[18:37] <pd3t> amell i have a new one ;) but you would be better of buying a new one directly ;)
[18:38] <amell> pd3t: do you use it much?
[18:38] <amell> is it really worth the dosh? low noise etc?
[18:39] <Maxell> amell: airspy might also be intresting
[18:39] <Ron_G8FJG> EDUPIC1 (5951) - 434.649 dial MHz USB RTTY 50/370 Hz ASCII-8 none 2 is closer
[18:39] <amell> Maxell: unknown cost.
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[18:40] <Maxell> amell: http://airspy.com/ might become the same
[18:42] <amell> or https://greatscottgadgets.com/hackrf/
[18:42] <pd3t> dunno why the frequencies and settings aren't correct
[18:42] <pd3t> of a bit i understand but .650 isn't anything near .325
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[18:43] <amell> anyone tried hackrf one?
[18:44] <amell> 10Mhz to 6Ghz, tx and rx :)
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[18:45] <mfa298> remember for tx you'll need a suitable license (depending on what bands / power you transmit on)
[18:45] <amell> no problem, Ill apply for a GSM license.
[18:45] <fsphil> hackrf is only 8-bit
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[18:45] <mfa298> there might be a couple of people with hackrf or the similar bladerf but I think they're much more expensive than the Funcube Pro+
[18:46] <Brian-G0HDI> I've got EDUPIC1 Red on waterfall now on .650 50/370
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[18:47] <Maxell> amell: hackrf does not preform near as good as the fcdp+ or airspy.
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[18:49] <mfa298> a couple of the things that makes the FCD Pro+ good are the various frontend filters (does a similar thing to the filters in the habamp for 434MHz) and the adc resolution (I think it's 12bit in the FCD Pro+ like the airspy)
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[18:50] <es5nhc> x-f, did you eventually manage to get an alpinist with sawing skills, or is the balloon still up a tree?
[18:50] <es5nhc> *up on the*
[18:51] <mfa298> I think it's probably the bladerf that a couple of people have got which costs even more but has some good stuff on the board
[18:57] <Maxell> The TurboHAB signal de-AFC's dl-fldigi
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[19:00] <astrobiologist> could any of you have a listen to this aprs clip I recorded and see if one is better than the other? A nearby digipeter first, and then mine: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hq0f74wksq3p201/AAD2wElyj6Dd4JM203twRnsaa?dl=0
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[19:10] <Maxell> astrobiologist: sec
[19:10] <Maxell> astrobiologist: i like aprs :)
[19:12] <astrobiologist> Maxell: thanks. basically, my aprs packets rarely get heard. I'm currently in Winchester and I can hear the local digipeater, MB7UW, really well. it's only 2 miles away. but it never hears me!
[19:12] <astrobiologist> I bought a spare handie with me this time. I left my normal one sending out packets and then I went on a walkaround with the other handie.
[19:15] <Brian-G0HDI> First green EDUPIC1
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[19:19] <PE1CME> what frequentie is JOEY_B?
[19:20] <Ron_G8FJG> 434.608800
[19:20] <PE1CME> That JOEY, i receive him on 434.609
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[19:21] <PE1CME> is that the 300 baud version?
[19:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its mixed one burst of 300b turbocode then pause then 50b RTTY pause repeat
[19:22] <PE1CME> ok, than JOEY = 50b and JOEY_B = 300b, correct?
[19:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> YUp 300b is not rtty
[19:23] <PE1CME> ok, i try the other program i'v downloaded.
[19:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> didn't have any luck myself with the Java programs at either speed :-(
[19:24] <F1VJQ> Joey is not at all strong considering alt and dist from here
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[19:34] <F1VJQ> I reckon JOEY is weaker than it was when it was further away... last red was 25m ago
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[19:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/EDUPIC1_20140831/
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[19:50] <amell> I have so much noise its not funny
[19:50] <F1VJQ> JOEY doesn't seem to be moving on the map for a long time
[19:54] <F1VJQ> Giving up on JOEY... Off to play EME on 2m ... Back later
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[19:55] <amell> http://i.imgur.com/QZIjuf0.png if you want a good laugh at my noise floor.
[19:56] <amell> jededu: -120deg C ?
[19:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> If you go into config, you can select the colours for the W/F I have a set here I use for mine http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_flights/fldigi-1.pal
[19:59] <Maxell> PE1CME: TurboHAB requires the TurboHAB decoder!
[19:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> that will make it a lot more readable!
[19:59] <g6uim> seems like the database is not updating for EDUPIC1
[19:59] <Maxell> JOEY RTTY @ 220 km / 2.3 deg.
[19:59] <amell> Geoff-G8DHE: interesting. will try that
[19:59] <Maxell> Looks like the South is harder for me :)
[20:00] <Maxell> Or the west is just awesome :)
[20:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh yes snus nor habitat seem to be updating
[20:02] <Upu> jededu
[20:02] <Upu> you've launched with the same bug as last time
[20:03] <Maxell> Upu: what payload is jededu flying?
[20:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes he hasn't corrected has he :-(
[20:03] <Maxell> The drifty one? :(
[20:03] <Upu> this is generally frowned upon and you will be mocked
[20:03] <craag_philcrump> float :D
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:03] <Maxell> -120°C
[20:03] <Maxell> uh?
[20:03] <Maxell> I've seen that before? :P
[20:03] <amell> its cold in space
[20:04] <PE1CME> Maxell: i know, but signal is to weak for 300 baud
[20:05] <amell> holy crap
[20:05] <amell> $$EDUPIC1,596,20:03:38,5143.13727,-47.3904,12,7587.3,0,-116,2.7*BE68
[20:05] <amell> my first green today :)
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[20:05] <amell> suddenly got really strong. no idea why
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[20:05] <Upu> good luck craag_philcrump
[20:05] <Upu> they tend to float for a little
[20:05] <Upu> then pop
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> craag is that the 100g balloon?
[20:08] <craag_philcrump> Lunar_Lander:
[20:08] <craag_philcrump> yep
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:08] <craag_philcrump> Upu: Yeah we're surprised it did it at all, 140g of neck lift.
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> nice!
[20:08] <DutchMillbt> Good evening - just in - what's the burst after the 50 baud transmission?
[20:08] <Maxell> Uh no 220 km, 387 km :)
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> good device for reception
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> :) http://s.gullipics.com/image/0/5/t/5yva39-kenz8z-r98k/IMG1409.jpeg
[20:09] <craag_philcrump> DutchMillbt: It's turbohab binary protocol
[20:09] <Maxell> JOEY out of the south-weak-spot it seems, getting a lot of greens again :)
[20:09] <craag_philcrump> 300 baud with binary packing, fec, interleaving,etc
[20:10] <amell> now why am i not getting bearing and distance.
[20:10] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: TurboHAB is too weak here.
[20:10] <amell> i did indeed select the payioad
[20:10] <Maxell> RTTY coming in quite OK
[20:10] <DutchMillbt> aha .. not suitable for fldigi?
[20:11] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: nope - requires external demdulator.
[20:11] <amell> i think the payload isnt sending the coordinates properly, as dlfldigi cant seem to understand it
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[20:11] <craag_philcrump> turbohab is designed for hab -> chasecar conditions
[20:11] <amell> 5143.13727,-47.3904
[20:11] <amell> is not valid gps coord
[20:11] <craag_philcrump> not so much gaussian channel as seen at DX
[20:12] <DutchMillbt> oke stick to the old solid 50 baud then ;-)
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[20:12] <PE1CME> $$JOEY,1999,20:11:25,49.3783610,0.7838976,25791,0,11,3*6C7F
[20:13] <Maxell> craag_philcrump: ok - that makes sense.
[20:14] <Maxell> $$JOEY,2011,20:13:49,49.3718220,0.7685234,25787,0,11,3*9523 ?
[20:14] <Maxell> PE1CME: all ok ?
[20:14] <Maxell> :D
[20:14] <PE1CME> Maxell: yes, all ok
[20:14] <PE1CME> 490km and o.8 deg
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[20:15] <Upu> interesting craag_philcrump
[20:15] <Upu> its probably the night thats helped
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[20:18] <Maxell> PE1CME: DX 391.2km, el 2.0 degrees
[20:19] <Maxell> PE1CME: nice work :)
[20:19] <PE1CME> Maxell: nice, but very weak decoding ok
[20:20] <PE1CME> Maxell: no QRM at all here
[20:23] <Upu> which one is on 434.600 ?
[20:23] <Upu> !flights
[20:23] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Current flights: 03LAASE-3: 434.650 SSDV, .600, .073 10(7c05), 03EDUPIC1 Flightmode Test 10(5951), 03EMF14Sun 10(3e17), 03kg7juw-5 launch 10(f6a5), 03kg7juw-5 launch 10(8160), 03EMF1 10(ac03), 03PS-19 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(ea6f), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[20:23] <Upu> !track EMF14Sun
[20:23] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=EMF14Sun
[20:25] <Maxell> Upu: thats Payload JOEY (3e17) - 434.612 MHz USB RTTY 50/350Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[20:25] <Maxell> Upu: dial 434.606.23 dl-fldigi @ 1350
[20:28] <Upu> ta
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[20:33] <DutchMillbt> pop
[20:33] <PE1CME> burst?
[20:33] <DutchMillbt> yep
[20:33] <PE1CME> 500km and 0.7 deg
[20:33] <Upu> sadly thats what they seem to do
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[20:35] <DutchMillbt> Nice dx PE1CME yagi or omni ?
[20:37] <PE1CME> Yagi 8 element vert
[20:38] <Maxell> Drifting all over the place. Too weak for AFC, going to prepare for EDUPIC1.
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[20:38] <F1VJQ> No greens off JOEY at all... drift is awful
[20:38] <Maxell> EDUPIC1 still at 434.325 MHz USB RTTY 50/430Hz ASCII-8 none 2 ?
[20:39] <Upu> 434.650 Maxell
[20:40] <Upu> 8n2 is correct
[20:40] <Maxell> tnx
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[20:40] <Maxell> Very weak "sweeping"-ish QRM. Now we wait :)
[20:41] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
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[20:43] <Ron_G8FJG> single error correction started on joey b
[20:43] <amell> whats up with snus? i am receiving edupic1, but not showing as a receiver in snus
[20:44] <lz1dev> bug in the sentence
[20:44] <Maxell> amell: hence the "fix"
[20:44] <Maxell> uh, jump in freq?
[20:45] <amell> not here
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[20:45] <amell> well, i did notice a jump about 10 min ago, but assumed it was due to me.
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[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> craag_philcrump, what's the Flightmode variable?
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[20:49] <PE1CME> What is the exact frequentie of EDUPIC1?
[20:49] <Upu> 434.650
[20:49] <Ron_G8FJG> lost JOEYb @0.1 elevation....up to 8 bits corrected before it fell off the "cliff"
[20:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> EDUPIC1 is a bit strong with me!
[20:53] <gonzo__> fldigi seems to think 40dB here!
[20:53] <Maxell> Upu: thats not exact...
[20:53] <Upu> 434.649030
[20:53] <Maxell> PE1CME: dial here is 434.649 MHz, dl-fldigi @ 1255 Hz
[20:53] <PE1CME> tnx
[20:53] <Upu> if you can't see it @ 434.650... :)
[20:54] <Maxell> Looks like the upper shift is stronger here/
[20:54] <gonzo__> centre of data is 434.65066
[20:55] <Upu> if you want to see what one of the preamps can do for ADS-B
[20:55] <Upu> http://uk.flightaware.com/user/markthirkettle/adsb#1972
[20:55] <Upu> note when he installed the amp
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[21:02] <Maxell> Upu: woot
[21:03] <Upu> really nice to get some feed back from a user
[21:04] <Maxell> A lot of ADS-B packets just gone with the wind into the coax :P
[21:04] <Maxell> 1 gig is doable with rg-58 if you have preamps :P
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[21:18] <MLow> -91C?
[21:18] <MLow> really?
[21:19] <Maxell> Nope.
[21:19] <MLow> lol
[21:20] <MLow> seems like you guys do launches every day it's amazing
[21:23] <F1VJQ> There is something up with the snus map... hasn't reduced the height of UBSEDS2
[21:24] <F1VJQ> Maybe the last telemetry was before burst
[21:24] <Upu> no packets recieved ?
[21:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> The Tx went drifting off
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[21:29] <MLow> what kind of battery pack is being used on EDUPIC1?
[21:30] <F1VJQ> JOEY was drifting so badly on the way down, I wondered if anyone had changed the batteries before flying!!
[21:35] <MLow> b-64 is amazing
[21:35] <jededu> Mlow not -91C its faulty and 2 Lithium AAA batteries
[21:35] <MLow> lithium?
[21:35] <jededu> yes
[21:35] <jededu> Energiser
[21:36] <MLow> oh, so like an liFe?
[21:36] <F1VJQ> B-6* flights all amazing
[21:36] <jededu> MTX2 transmitter :)
[21:36] <DL7AD> MLow: no these are normal LiPos
[21:37] <DL7AD> but rated down to -40°C
[21:37] <jededu> upu ill be ordering more tomorrow
[21:37] <Upu> cool
[21:37] <DL7AD> Upu: thx for the mail.
[21:37] <Upu> nps
[21:38] <Upu> I'll keep pestering them
[21:38] <Upu> my account manager is coming later this week
[21:39] <MLow> Upu's store is amazing
[21:39] <MLow> i still havent put my radios and gps to work i ordered like a year ago lol
[21:39] <Upu> chop chop
[21:39] <Upu> launch them loose them order more
[21:39] <MLow> my local radiometrix distributor wanted like 4 time what you ask
[21:39] <jededu> MLow http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/l91.pdf
[21:40] <Upu> yeah don't tell them that though
[21:40] <MLow> even with paying VAT
[21:40] <Upu> in the US ?
[21:40] <MLow> yeah
[21:40] <Upu> you don't pay VAT any more
[21:40] <MLow> well when i ordered i don't think you had that working yet
[21:41] <Upu> no
[21:41] <Upu> took me a few meetings with the accountant to work out how to do it
[21:41] <Upu> in the end it was quite simple but had to be sure
[21:42] <MLow> for sure
[21:42] <jededu> I have never tracked a payload so far south :) MTX2
[21:43] <MLow> i have a balloon, a bunch of parts, a styrofoam box and a parachute, just kinda ran out of money there tho
[21:44] <MLow> im so full of hot air i figured that would work but it didnt
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[21:48] <MLow> looks like the batteries are dipping pretty low
[21:48] <MLow> 1.4v would be the point of danger no?
[21:48] <Upu> nah
[21:49] <Upu> about right for a cold night
[21:49] <MLow> night?
[21:49] <Upu> yeah its night
[21:49] <MLow> hm i guess so
[21:50] <PE1CME> oeps
[21:50] <jededu> mmmmmm
[21:50] <Maxell> $$$$EDUPIC1,991,21:49:06,4952-------;
[21:51] <PE1CME> empty battery?
[21:51] <jededu> It can restart
[21:51] <Maxell> Have a safe flight towards the unknown EDUPIC1 :)
[21:51] <Maxell> $$EDUPIC1,990,21:48:50,4953.22742,57.4321,09,13945.4,0,-83.25,1.7*28C
[21:51] <Maxell> Would 1,7 volts be the battery voltage?
[21:52] <jededu> reg drops out at 1.1v
[21:54] <jededu> Has to be the reg
[21:55] <MLow> boost circuit to take the battery to 3.3?
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[21:59] <jededu> MLow yes
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[22:06] <jededu> Looking at the graph it was probably battery it fell off at a rapid rate
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[22:07] <MLow> yeah 2.4 to 1.7 in no time
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[22:08] <MLow> was the battery shielded or insulated? or just "naked"
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[22:13] <MLow> trying to figure out why it would dip that low but all i can think is temp
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[22:22] <DL7AD> does anybody know a good tool to create a flight path out of a csv file?
[22:22] <MLow> csv file with coords?
[22:23] <lz1dev> !whereis edupic1
[22:23] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03EDUPIC1 was over 03Seine-Maritime, France 10(49.89170617,0.955033) at 0313927 meters about 0335 minutes ago
[22:23] <DL7AD> MLow: yeah
[22:24] <MLow> seems like a lot of people like to use google earth
[22:25] <DL7AD> yeah but then i have to get it into the kml format
[22:26] <MLow> this website seems like it will do the trick, i dont have a test file with dummy data tho
[22:26] <MLow> http://veloroutes.org/upload/
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[22:28] <astrobiologist> at Maxell's advice, I dialed down the audio volume on my iPad and am now getting basically 100% of my packets digipeated on aprs :-)
[22:28] <astrobiologist> so I was overmodulating...
[22:29] <Maxell> astrobiologist: yay
[22:29] <MLow> ipad, aprs?
[22:29] <astrobiologist> so I guess I should always leave it at that volume on the iPad?
[22:29] <Maxell> astrobiologist: however - I was going to get some slee[.
[22:29] <Maxell> astrobiologist: Apple should let apps change the audio volume.
[22:29] <astrobiologist> Mlow: PocketPacket on iPad, homemade cable from iPad audio to kenwood th-d7e
[22:30] <astrobiologist> Maxell: oh so the apps can't change the volume?
[22:30] <MLow> but its an ipad, why?
[22:31] <astrobiologist> Mlow: nice big screen for map? also what I already had - no aprs handie, no android phone for aprsdroid etc
[22:31] <Maxell> astrobiologist: don't think so - good night :)
[22:31] <astrobiologist> maxell: good night and many thanks!!!!!
[22:31] <MLow> im just curious what your doing with it
[22:32] <astrobiologist> pocketpacket is available for iOS and macos. It uses the audio line as a software tnc.
[22:32] <MLow> i mean i understand that, butare you doing something *with* it or im curious why the ipad is all
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[22:32] <astrobiologist> I guess I should always leave the audio at this setting... overmodulating won't get me extra range of course
[22:34] <astrobiologist> Mlow: my handheld doesn't have a tnc or in-built gps etc. so, the iPad fixes my location, tx's packets based on my location etc, rx's packets from other aprs users, and displays these on online maps
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[22:35] <MLow> so, for a tracking vehicle or?
[22:36] <astrobiologist> Mlow: only if they would let us do airborne aprs in u.k.... still it came in handy when Leo's B64 flew over Cornwall whilst I was on holiday there!
[22:37] <astrobiologist> same cable and handheld should work with the blackberry port I made of matt's android app - just need a balloon overhead to test it
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[22:38] <MLow> i was thinking of doing a tiny launch to test
[22:38] <MLow> but i doubt i can make it across the pond
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[22:40] <F1VJQ> Mlow... never say never!!
[22:40] <MLow> plus i think there are some legal issues
[22:43] <F1VJQ> Mlow where are you in the world?
[22:43] <MLow> US
[22:44] <F1VJQ> The winds are almost always West to East as B-6** proves.... so a cross the pond trip isn't out of the question....
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[22:44] <MLow> ya i think KT5TK did something close
[22:44] <F1VJQ> the main thing is that Leo's picos are very sophisticated with APRS and Contestia with ringfenced areas and choice of APRS frequencies
[22:45] <F1VJQ> and also Leo has a custom envelope ..he made himself
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[22:46] <F1VJQ> B-64 will change freq for APRS depending on where it is
[22:46] <F1VJQ> and will also include APRS on FM interleaved with Contestia on the ISM frequency where allowed
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> good night :)!
[22:47] <F1VJQ> GN Lunar_Lander
[22:47] <DL7AD> gn Lunar_Lander
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[22:48] <F1VJQ> DL7AD No moon for EME so I may go and make some zzzs
[22:48] <F1VJQ> I have 50dBm on 2m over the HABs!!
[22:51] <F1VJQ> Now QRT GN all 73
[22:55] <DL7AD> F1VJQ: wow. interesting. GN!
[22:56] <F1VJQ> DL7AD single 12 ele I0JXX and over 120 EME QSOs as far as ZL and VK!! GN
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[22:57] <DL7AD> rofl. i wish i could even have a stationary X-50 ^^
[22:57] <F1VJQ> X-50 very good for HABs ... I have one in UK
[22:57] <DL7AD> in uk? thought you're living in france?
[22:57] <F1VJQ> best DX on one of Leo's flights was 445km
[22:58] <F1VJQ> DL7AD I am G8APZ in UK... I live in France for over 3 months every summer
[22:58] <DL7AD> eh okay....
[22:59] <DL7AD> are you retired?
[22:59] <F1VJQ> I come here in April for 3 weeks then return end June until beginning of October
[22:59] <F1VJQ> DL7AD oh yes... the G8 gives it away... G8A** was 1966!!
[23:00] <DL7AD> *shrug*
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[23:00] <DL7AD> hi HixServer
[23:00] <DL7AD> have we met at the conference F1VJQ?
[23:00] <F1VJQ> I sometimes come here in December but no central heating so use lots of logs on wood fires!! Very expensive now for wood... ¬60 a cubic metre
[23:01] <F1VJQ> DL7AD at HAB conf? NO
[23:01] <F1VJQ> DL7AD at UKuG Martlesham maybe
[23:01] <DL7AD> F1VJQ: no i havent been there
[23:01] <F1VJQ> I am sysop of www.beaconspot.eu
[23:02] <DL7AD> i just met so much persons i even dont know their names anymore
[23:02] <F1VJQ> DL7AD I went to Weinheim many times in the past....
[23:02] <DL7AD> F1VJQ: hm i think thats not my region
[23:03] <F1VJQ> really enjoyed it... and Bad Durcheim for the Weinfest!!
[23:03] <F1VJQ> the Wurstmarkt is really big area
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[23:03] <DL7AD> :D
[23:04] <F1VJQ> and a very good tramway to Mannheim
[23:05] <F1VJQ> very cold in DL in September...
[23:05] <F1VJQ> 28 degrees here today
[23:07] <DL7AD> F1VJQ: thats much too warm for me
[23:07] <DL7AD> i would melt away
[23:07] <F1VJQ> DL7AD in July it was 38 some days!!
[23:08] <F1VJQ> DL7AD you would prefer a holiday in West Wales (UK) I met quite a few DL tourists there who loved it
[23:08] <F1VJQ> One couple from Berlin returned every year to visit various National Park areas
[23:09] <DL7AD> F1VJQ: https://www.dropbox.com/s/los04o61fzxidea/2013-06-29%2016.19.09.jpg?dl=0
[23:09] <DL7AD> ah :D
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[23:09] <F1VJQ> Sheesh!! 44 ... where was that?
[23:10] <DL7AD> texas ^^
[23:10] <F1VJQ> Too much!!
[23:10] <DL7AD> agree
[23:10] <DL7AD> but all of them have a/c
[23:10] <DL7AD> just not when power fails
[23:10] <F1VJQ> yes but when you are out in the open....
[23:11] <F1VJQ> think of the electricity costs...
[23:11] <DL7AD> *nodding* yeah thats fatal
[23:11] <MLow> 100 here right now
[23:11] <F1VJQ> Mlow 100 fahrenheight?
[23:11] <MLow> yea lol
[23:11] <F1VJQ> sorry for bad spelling
[23:12] <DL7AD> well the electricity costs have been times less
[23:12] <MLow> hey man, i don't really like it either
[23:12] <MLow> wish we all used metric
[23:12] <MLow> learned metric like 5 times
[23:12] <F1VJQ> I know how to convert F to C but too late to do it!!
[23:12] <MLow> forget it, because i have no chance to use it
[23:12] <DL7AD> MLow: at home the A/C did not cool it down more than 80F on day when the sun was burning
[23:13] <MLow> 37.7778c
[23:13] <DL7AD> im missing the SiBot
[23:13] <DL7AD> 0ft
[23:13] <F1VJQ> It's about 37 or 38 degs C
[23:14] <F1VJQ> DL7AD I used to work in a computer room in the 1970s and 80s... and we had problems with a/c
[23:15] <F1VJQ> DL7AD in London, the normal temp on a summer day was OK for A/C , BUT....
[23:16] <F1VJQ> when it got hot in the computer room, it sucked in "cold air" from the roof.... but it was HOT air!!
[23:16] <DL7AD> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GL9DAf7grjg/UOCrE_zLd_I/AAAAAAAATus/XphlhVAuikQ/s616/united-states-vs-the-rest-of-the-world.jpeg
[23:16] <DL7AD> ops
[23:18] <F1VJQ> DL7AD that is a good example of not moving forwards!! How about a US Gallon... not even the same as a UK Gallon!!
[23:19] <DL7AD> F1VJQ: :D what about litres?
[23:19] <F1VJQ> Gallon = about 4.5 litres
[23:19] <MLow> pints? cups, quarts
[23:19] <MLow> yowza
[23:20] <DL7AD> stones
[23:20] <MLow> fluid ouch, oz, pound, ton
[23:20] <F1VJQ> MLow that really pisses me off with US recipes! Cups, spoons etc!!
[23:20] <DL7AD> stop it!
[23:20] <MLow> ounce*
[23:21] <DL7AD> F1VJQ: what uints do they use in france?
[23:21] <F1VJQ> DL7AD all metric
[23:21] <DL7AD> *thumbs up*
[23:22] <F1VJQ> DL7AD noticed jam in a jar ... 420ml another jar 423ml.... what the ?
[23:23] <DL7AD> ?
[23:23] <F1VJQ> translation for MLow Jam = Jelly Jelly = Jello
[23:23] <F1VJQ> DL7AD metric units of sale should be the same in all Eu
[23:24] <DL7AD> F1VJQ: yep
[23:24] <F1VJQ> jam in a jar should be comparable with all Eu
[23:24] <F1VJQ> so 420/423 is not
[23:24] <DL7AD> ah yeah
[23:25] <F1VJQ> DL7AD same in UK....a pint of beer is a pint... but when sold in a can is 423ml!!
[23:25] <F1VJQ> or thereabouts
[23:26] <F1VJQ> brewery makes a can with 450ml... why not 500ml?
[23:26] <DL7AD> because they can
[23:26] <MLow> GAH
[23:26] <F1VJQ> DL7AD of course...
[23:26] <MLow> i've got a 30ft usb active cable
[23:26] <MLow> with a RTLSDR dongle on the end
[23:27] <F1VJQ> DL7AD car tyres and computer tapes... inches!!
[23:27] <MLow> if i so much as look at the dongle the device resets
[23:28] <F1VJQ> MLow 30ft (9m) is too long!!
[23:28] <MLow> when it works though it works fine
[23:28] <MLow> but if i even bump the table it disconnects
[23:29] <F1VJQ> MLow yes, when it works it works,,but when it doesn;'t...
[23:30] <F1VJQ> RTLSDR dongle is OK for big sigs... but it is what it is ... $20 or less
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[23:31] <MLow> :(
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[23:32] <F1VJQ> Mlow a real RX beats a dongle
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[23:34] <SpeedEvil> Well - it depends. With a habamp - maybe not
[23:34] <MaXimaN> HOme sweet home
[23:35] <F1VJQ> SpeedEvil a preamp only overcomes the loss in the cable
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[23:36] <F1VJQ> SpeedEvil a preamp at the RX will ampliy noise and signal... hence no real gain in info
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> Err - no
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> The habamp has a tight SAW filter on the front
[23:38] <SpeedEvil> It slices out most of the interference - only very tight in-band interference will affect things
[23:38] <SpeedEvil> Clearly, yes, you're vulnerable to interference in the ~100khz or so bandwidth
[23:39] <F1VJQ> SpeedEvil I don't believe that you can filter 100khz low and high pass at 434
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> I forget the exact bandwidth
[23:39] <F1VJQ> that is an impossible notch
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/B39431B3771Z810/495-3743-2-ND/1812283
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> 434.42 / 120khz
[23:40] <MLow> only other rx i have is cheap handheld
[23:42] <F1VJQ> SpeedEvil Too late at night to look at specs!!
[23:42] <SpeedEvil> -15dB@434 and 435
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> -40dB outside 430/450
[23:44] <F1VJQ> SpeedEvil I have made many filters on 432 over many years... and no way can I have achieved a cutoff in kHz... nevre mind MHz
[23:44] <SpeedEvil> Right - SAW filters are awesome
[23:45] <SpeedEvil> Discrete cutoffs - bordering on - if not impossible
[23:45] <F1VJQ> yes 430 - 450 but not 100kHz on 434
[23:45] <SpeedEvil> That's -3dB I suspect
[23:45] <F1VJQ> 3dB is naff all
[23:45] <MLow> 600khz from what i read
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[23:46] <SpeedEvil> and yes - 3dB is less than useful for rejecting strong co-channel
[23:46] <F1VJQ> I would regard that as bovine excrement
[23:46] <MLow> F1VJQ: i got it working
[23:46] <SpeedEvil> you want to size the filter for your signal. -3dB matters if it's eating your signal
[23:47] <MLow> it looks like the USB connector was worn down and the pins were pretty much flat
[23:48] <tweetBot1> @thecraag: A short video of the Hexacopter-lifted UKHASnet Node at EMF yesterday. Flown by @M6EDF #ukhas #emfcamp https://t.co/6tkyxsQZef
[23:48] <MLow> um, however i do have an issue with the fact i dont seem to be getting any signal
[23:48] <F1VJQ> MLow good ... glad you found the problem
[23:49] <SpeedEvil> In most cases, there isn't considerable signals on 430-450 or so - and you're not quite limited by that, as you're limited by the intermod and signal properties of the SDR - which while bad - help.
[23:49] <MLow> http://screencloud.net/v/4vJ0
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[23:50] <F1VJQ> SpeedEvil You need to be near our contest sire in Essex first weekend in October... a very high ERP!!!
[23:50] <SpeedEvil> F1VJQ: yes - that's not going to work at all.
[23:50] <F1VJQ> sire = site
[23:50] <F1VJQ> M1CRO/p
[23:51] <F1VJQ> and all bands from 432 to 24048
[23:51] <SpeedEvil> F1VJQ: For typical HAB - where the strongest interfereing signal in that band is likely a half dozen nearby weather monitors - ...
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[23:51] <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
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[23:52] <F1VJQ> SpeedEvil ISM must accept interference... but I never noticed any
[23:52] <SpeedEvil> I don't see a spec for in-band phase disturbances
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[23:52] <SpeedEvil> Stacking multiple filters in principle would be possible I guess. Designing that would be heaps of fun
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> At that point, it's probably more sane to not do that.
[23:53] <MLow> any idea why im not getting squat for signal?
[23:53] <MLow> or should i hop over to another channel sorry if its off topic
[23:53] <F1VJQ> SpeedEvil filters = loss .... multiple filters = multiple loss but multiple filters reject out of band crap
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> F1VJQ: yes - however those are looking like ~1-2dB loss per in-band, which isn't really bad.
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> It would be amusing to try to chain 10 of them in a row
[23:55] <F1VJQ> SpeedEvil just try it with two... a decent pair will give > 50dB rejection
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> yeah - I was wondering about getting decent rejection at the nominal width
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[23:57] <F1VJQ> SpeedEvil no filter is so narrow to accept a few hundred Hhz... AFAIK
[23:57] <F1VJQ> MLow no ideas ...sorry
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[23:58] <SpeedEvil> Those were -3dB@120kHz @434
[23:58] <F1VJQ> SpeedEvil and as I said ... 3dB is didly squat
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[23:59] <SpeedEvil> Not so much if it's your signal. But yes, I agree - which is why I was idly wondering about stacking 10.
[23:59] <SpeedEvil> Inpracice, you'd use a single filterand feed it to a decent IF
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