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[01:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N2NXZ-7 after 039 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=N2NXZ-7
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[03:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[07:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_CE1 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=PI_CE1
[07:08] <fsphil> vanilla PI_CE1
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[07:39] <DL7AD> !hysplit B-66
[07:39] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: HYSPLIT for 03B-66 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/140827-04_142434_B66.gif
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[09:21] <edmoore> um
[09:21] <edmoore> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dsxnivtb4okomx3/Screenshot%202014-08-27%2010.21.02.png?dl=0
[09:21] <edmoore> So I don't think I'm gonna find those caps in 0603
[09:22] <jonsowman> nope shouldn't think so
[09:27] <mfa298> that's some serious decoupling ;)
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[09:28] <fsphil> a step too farad
[09:31] <edmoore> i'm not sure i have the capacity to pun anymore
[09:32] <nats`> 10uF at 4v or 6v you could find them
[09:32] <nats`> maybe X5R or X7R
[09:33] <edmoore> indeed, i have 10u 6.3V in 0603
[09:33] <edmoore> but i suspect if you run them at 3.3V they'll be like 1U or something scary
[09:33] <nats`> 6.3v for 3.3v seems correct a little tight but correct
[09:34] <nats`> ceramic capacitor loose capacitance proportionnaly to the DC current going throuh them
[09:35] <nats`> http://www.murata.com/products/capacitor/design/faq/mlcc/property/05_more.html
[09:35] <nats`> interesting stuff at murata
[09:35] <nats`> (Analog device class documentation in the world of discrete part :))
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[09:41] <edmoore> nats`, indeed that was my point
[09:41] <edmoore> the voltage coefficient of these high density multiplayer ceramics is terrifying
[09:41] <nats`> you have some space on the board ?
[09:42] <nats`> put 1 4.7 and some 2.2 1 and 0.1
[09:42] <nats`> you will have a better low pass
[09:42] <nats`> I usually those capacitor they are not so good
[09:43] <nats`> when you can have 1uF 25v :D
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[09:44] <nats`> I see you have a PLL it could make sense to split capacitor
[09:44] <nats`> especially to neutralize higher harmonic
[09:44] <nats`> having some 0.1uF laying around should be good
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[09:46] <Arjun_> I am planning to get the fun cube dongle, I am looking for a antenna to take around with me and also a chase car antenna.
[09:47] <mfa298> Arjun_: for chase car the watson wsm-270 is reasonably cheap and popular. For other things it depends a bit on what you want to listen to and what space you have
[09:48] <mfa298> But the Funcube Pro+ is a great SDR receiver.
[09:48] <Darkside> +1 to that
[09:48] <Darkside> funcube dongle pro+ is a good buy
[09:50] <Arjun_> mfa298 : I want to track balloons on the 434mhz (I think) frequency and I have a lot of space!
[09:57] <Arjun_> What antenna do you use
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[09:58] <mfa298> If it's a permanent install at home you probably want to look at something like the X-30 / X-50 vertical antennas.
[09:59] <mfa298> As I don't have space to put up proper antennas I just use a couple of home made ones that I can put out the window.
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[10:01] <Arjun_> Are there any tutorials for home made ones?
[10:02] <mfa298> if you're putting something on the roof you'll need to budget for some suitable coax as well. For longer runs you generally want better quality (usually more expensive) coax. Although it's usually worth getting the best coax you can afford.
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[10:03] <mfa298> I mostly use something similar to http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payloadantenna but with the driven element (centre of the coax) pointing up and using slightly more solid wire
[10:04] <mfa298> I've also used this http://m1ari.co.uk/antenna/diy-dipole although that's designed more for 145MHz (but shorter elements would work for 434MHz
[10:05] <mfa298> I've been thinking about doing something that's a combination of the two with everything mounted to the end of some pipe so it's easy to transport and gives a quick to setup antenna
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[10:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03XABEN0 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=XABEN0
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[10:36] <Maxell> !ping XABEN0
[10:36] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Last contact with 03XABEN0 was 03a few seconds ago
[10:36] <Maxell> Nice!
[10:37] <Maxell> !payloadXABEN0
[10:37] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03XABEN0 10(a812) - 03434.3 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/600Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[10:37] <Maxell> hah, smooth.
[10:38] <mattbrejza> <snus> PAYLOAD1 has just launched on 434.xxx MHz would be handy
[10:40] <daveake> That could open the floodgates ...
[10:40] <daveake> <snus> Payload xxxxxxx is all over the map yet another padding bug
[10:40] <daveake> <snus> xxxx appears to have launched without GPS
[10:41] <daveake> <snus> Oh dear another one in the sea
[10:42] <mattbrejza> lol yea there is a limit
[10:42] <mattbrejza> why not just automate the entire channel :P
[10:43] <mattbrejza> have a bot that comes on every few hours and asks for frequenciues, to which snus responds
[10:43] <jarod> Maxell something on air?
[10:44] <daveake> At times, it seems that a large proportion of the channel is already automated :/
[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE_> ? You mean I'm talking to humans and not bots ?
[10:48] <mightymik> won't sibot feel left out?
[10:48] <x-f> zeusbot is quite useful
[10:49] <x-f> tweetBot1 too, maybe
[10:50] <fsphil> they are nominal
[10:51] <lz1dev> beep boop
[10:52] <fsphil> 11010011011010001010
[10:52] <lz1dev> 0
[10:52] <fsphil> !0
[10:52] <lz1dev> 1
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[10:59] <MaXimaN_> Okay. All set to track both payloads.
[11:00] Nick change: MaXimaN_ -> MaXimaN
[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yup its on HABRotate as well now
[11:04] <lz1dev> !flights
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Current flights: 03XABEN78 10(a812), 03PS-18 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(797d), 03B-63 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(bc59), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
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[11:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HL1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=HL1
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[11:20] <malgar> !ping B-64
[11:20] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: Last contact with 03B-64 was 033 days ago
[11:20] <malgar> !ping B-66
[11:20] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: Last contact with 03B-66 was 0315 hours ago
[11:21] <malgar> !whereis B-64
[11:21] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-64 was over 03Kargopolskiy rayon, Arkhangelsk Oblast, Russia 10(61.6213,38.2415) at 0312258 meters
[11:21] <malgar> !whereis B-66
[11:21] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-66 was over 03Trostyanets'kyi district, Sums'ka oblast, Ukraine 10(50.7202,35.0408) at 0313357 meters
[11:22] <DL7AD> !isleoflying
[11:22] <MaXimaN> !status B-63
[11:22] <DL7AD> ah damn
[11:23] <MaXimaN> Would be nice if there was a command that combined where it was last seen and when it was last seen
[11:23] <PE2G> Hi, is there a list of these commands?
[11:24] <fsphil> !make me a sandwich
[11:24] <fsphil> aww
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[11:24] <mattbrejza> !sudo make me a sandwich
[11:24] <fsphil> oops, we broke it
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[11:25] <fsphil> yay
[11:25] <fsphil> !make me a sandwich
[11:25] <mattbrejza> !sudo make me a sandwich
[11:25] <lz1dev> lul
[11:25] <lz1dev> i deployed a patch to stop spamming in #habhub
[11:26] <F1VJQ> PE2G the following ! commands have a parameter of callsign flight, window, hysplit, whereis, payloads, ping
[11:27] <lz1dev> i guess i have to make a list of the commands
[11:27] <mattbrejza> 23 ft
[11:27] <mattbrejza> :(
[11:27] <PE2G> Merci F1VJQ!
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> XABEN0 is away I have this list but its being added to I think;
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !flights
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !flight nnnn
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !payload nnnn
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !hysplit name
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !whereis name
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !ping name
[11:27] <F1VJQ> PE2G then there is menu, help, seen nick, google keyword,
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !track name
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !!tracker
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !wiki question
[11:27] <lz1dev> oh dear
[11:28] <PE2G> F1VJQ: Roger
[11:30] <PE2G> And thanks Geoff-G8DHE_
[11:30] <mfa298> alternativly people just need to read the source
[11:31] <db_g6gzh> proper documentation, fully up to date
[11:32] <F1VJQ> HL1 WTF???
[11:32] <mfa298> Although last time I looked it was all in javascript :(
[11:32] <db_g6gzh> ah 8-)
[11:33] <F1VJQ> XABEN0 / HL1 not ascending as planned?
[11:34] <F1VJQ> Looks like floaters at 70m
[11:34] <Geoff-G8DHE_> There not away yet
[11:35] <F1VJQ> Oh, you said it was!
[11:35] <MaXimaN> I suspect he had that ready in the keyboard buffer and was ready to hit return ;)
[11:35] <F1VJQ> [11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> XABEN0 is away
[11:35] <Geoff-G8DHE_> I had it ready, then thought I'd deleted it before giving the list Ooops!
[11:35] <F1VJQ> Gotcha!
[11:36] <fsphil> Burst!
[11:36] <F1VJQ> HL1 still shows Max alt higher than the local terrain
[11:39] <F1VJQ> It will need to go up to 31km in order for me to get it at > 750km, but hopefully it will
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[11:41] Action: MaXimaN checks the faff watch
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[11:44] Nick change: uwe__ -> uwe_
[11:47] <lz1dev> !status b-63
[11:47] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03B-63 was over 03Sadang-ro 2cha-gil, Dongjak-gu, Seoul, South Korea 10(37.4862,126.9668) at 0312771 meters about 0317 days ago
[11:48] <F1VJQ> !set faffwatch = 49minutes
[11:48] <fsphil> nearly three weeks
[11:48] <lz1dev> i should make it use arbitrary units
[11:48] <lz1dev> 100 dog days
[11:48] <craag_philcrump> 1.21 fortnights
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[11:49] <F1VJQ> b-63 missing far too long... something must have happened to it
[11:49] <F1VJQ> 1 HAB day
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[11:49] <lz1dev> 17 mayflies lifes
[11:50] <lz1dev> livies
[11:50] <F1VJQ> almost there
[11:50] <F1VJQ> lives
[11:50] <lz1dev> silly english plurals
[11:50] <lz1dev> drone ants live about 3 weeks
[11:51] <F1VJQ> lz1dev not unlike other languages!
[11:51] <MaXimaN> Great. XABEN0 is now descending.
[11:51] <MaXimaN> Shortest. Flight. Evar.
[11:52] <lz1dev> congrats?
[11:55] <daveake> It never went up
[11:56] Action: MaXimaN knows this
[11:56] <daveake> wasn't obvious
[11:56] <lz1dev> :D
[11:56] <MaXimaN> IRC sarcasm rarely is
[12:00] <MaXimaN> Looking at the snus map, VORTEX_Base appears to be an actual base at sea
[12:00] <MaXimaN> James Bond should investigate perhaps?
[12:02] <MaXimaN> The faff clock is now at 0.00298 fortnights
[12:05] <db_g6gzh> away now
[12:06] <MaXimaN> Yay!
[12:06] <db_g6gzh> shift on XABEN0 more like 700
[12:09] <navrac_work> i was just about to write that db_g6gzh
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[12:16] <MaXimaN> Yay, first green
[12:16] <mattbrejza> !payloads
[12:16] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:16] <mattbrejza> !flying
[12:17] <mattbrejza> !flights
[12:17] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Current flights: 03XABEN78 10(a812), 03PS-18 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(797d), 03B-63 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(bc59), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[12:17] <craag_philcrump> !high
[12:17] <mattbrejza> !payload XABEN78
[12:17] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:17] <mattbrejza> !payload a812
[12:17] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Payload 03XABEN0 10(a812) - 03434.3 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/600Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[12:17] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Payload 03HL1 10(a812) - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/600Hz ASCII-7 none 1
[12:18] <MaXimaN> Okay, tracking both now
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[12:24] <malgar> !whereis B-66
[12:24] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-66 was over 03Trostyanets'kyi district, Sums'ka oblast, Ukraine 10(50.7202,35.0408) at 0313357 meters about 0316 hours ago
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[12:30] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/XABEN77-HL1_20140827/
[12:30] <jonsowman> !whereis b-64
[12:30] <SpacenearUS> 03jonsowman: 03B-64 was over 03Kargopolskiy rayon, Arkhangelsk Oblast, Russia 10(61.6213,38.2415) at 0312258 meters about 033 days ago
[12:32] <Maxell> !payload HL1
[12:32] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03HL1 10(a812) - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/600Hz ASCII-7 none 1
[12:33] <Maxell> XABEN0 right in the qrm, HL1 should be clear :)
[12:33] <tweetBot1> @G8DHE: HAB UPDATE: XABEN77 flight in progress http://t.co/tgOAMJwIth #ukhas #hamr #hab
[12:33] <tweetBot1> Cutdown at 33Km planned
[12:35] <MaXimaN> Maxell: It's the reverse at my location
[12:35] <MaXimaN> Noise floor much higher for HL1 for me
[12:36] <MaXimaN> Still, both coming through loud and clear
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[12:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DA1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=DA1
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[12:44] <Maxell> MaXimaN: ah yes yay two payloads :)
[12:44] <Maxell> HL1 now getting greens in here
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[12:46] <chrisg7ogx> is anyone here using two funcube pro plus dongles on the same PC ?
[12:46] <MaXimaN> I'm using one dongle to track both payloads
[12:47] <chrisg7ogx> is that two instances of fldigi?
[12:47] <MaXimaN> Yes, and two insatances of SDR#
[12:47] <chrisg7ogx> think i will try that many tks
[12:49] <MaXimaN> Just tune the dial on both SDR# instances to virtually the same place where you can see both payloads, and then you can click on the dial on each to receive both payloads
[12:49] <chrisg7ogx> using SDR Console here
[12:49] <MaXimaN> Use virtual audio cable on one sdr# and one dl-fldigi
[12:50] <lz1dev> !wiki irc bot
[12:50] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Wiki page 03spacenearus_irc_bot - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
[12:51] <lz1dev> there you go
[12:52] <PE2G> Greens from HL1 starting at -0.3 deg in intermittent QRM
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[12:53] <Maxell> PE2G: goed werk :)
[12:53] <PE2G> tnx
[12:53] <MaXimaN> That's awesome
[12:53] <MaXimaN> PE2G: Using a yagi?
[12:54] <PE2G> MaXimaN: yes, 7 elem.
[12:54] <Maxell> And very high up :)
[12:54] <PE2G> Height is everything here :)
[12:55] <Maxell> Yep
[12:55] <Maxell> Wonder if it is worth getting up an yagi here too
[12:55] <Maxell> LNA might be more useful, 3.5 dB loss in the Aircell 7 coax.
[12:56] <PE2G> Maxell: I'd start with a yagi only
[12:57] <Maxell> Diamond A430S10, btw
[12:57] <Maxell> Does require extra coax.
[12:58] <Maxell> And will be fixed towards the UK
[12:59] <UpuWork> I have one of those
[12:59] <PE2G> Maxell: point to Cambridge :)
[12:59] <UpuWork> good antenna, I broke mine
[12:59] <UpuWork> top tip : don't drop it from your roof whilst fitting it
[12:59] <Maxell> UpuWork: noted.
[13:00] <Maxell> PE2G: not at qth right now, and that would be at ground level.
[13:00] <PE2G> Maxell: what would be your antenna cable length?
[13:01] <PE2G> for the yagi?
[13:01] <chrisg7ogx> couls someone give me the link for rtl dongles please?
[13:02] <Maxell> I require 25 meters for the omi, it's on a 4 meter mast.
[13:02] <PE2G> Maxell: That's quite a length
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[13:07] <F1VJQ> Maxell an LNA doesn't help if you can't see a sinal on a poor antenna
[13:08] <F1VJQ> LNA will help to overcome loss in coax though
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[13:13] <Maxell> PE2G: yeah, the joy of having a garden :)
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[13:15] <Maxell> F1VJQ: already had decodes at 0.3 degrees above horizon. However coax losses are quite significant
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[13:15] <Maxell> SSB mast preamp is not cheap, about 300 euros or so
[13:15] <Maxell> rather pick up coax and mount the yagi
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[13:16] <F1VJQ> Maxell - yagi first ... that'll see to sigs over the horizon... it will not need an LNA
[13:16] <F1VJQ> Maxell I go to -0.3 with a yagi
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[13:17] <Maxell> Yeah, you have a nice (rotateable) mast!
[13:18] <nats`> anybody with Mentor Graphic Expedition knowledge ?
[13:18] <PE2G> F1VJQ: how low can you go with Contestia?
[13:20] <F1VJQ> PE2G I heard Contestia at 550km by ear, and had partial reds, when one of Leo's flew in from Azores but it wouldn't decode grren until 470km
[13:20] <F1VJQ> green
[13:20] <PE2G> F1VJQ: At what elev did you get greens?
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[13:22] <F1VJQ> PE2G I will look at my screenshots ... back soon
[13:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> lz1dev, Is it possible to specify two vehicles on datanew.php http://spacenear.us/tracker/datanew.php?format=kml&vehicle=HL1&vehicle=XABEN0
[13:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> if so what format for parameters ?
[13:31] <F1VJQ> PE2G seems for B-64 first red at 00:50 was at 465km not sure of elev at that time, but it was negative - 03:24 I got green at elev 0.3 and 375km
[13:33] <Laurenceb_> im guessing it depends a lot on the terrain
[13:33] <F1VJQ> PE2G I had B-65 annoyingly on reds for 2.5 hours!!
[13:33] <PE2G> F1VJQ: Tnx for looking that up. So contestia doesn't give you lower greens than RTTY?
[13:33] <Laurenceb_> most of the over the horizon stuff is over the sea
[13:33] <F1VJQ> Well yes, very low angle
[13:33] <Laurenceb_> probably less scatttering there
[13:34] <F1VJQ> PE2G Contestia outperforms RTTY by a long way!
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[13:35] <PE2G> F1VJQ: that's my experince too. Contestia -0.5 deg, RTTY -0.3 deg generally
[13:35] <F1VJQ> We will see how I get XABEN0 - I'm on the map on west coast of France. I'd guess I'll hear it before the circle gets to me
[13:35] <MaXimaN> Grrr... constant QRM giving me reds on HL1 now
[13:40] <PE2G> F1VJQ: I have HL1 on 434.251.4 center 1500 Hz
[13:40] <F1VJQ> is XABEN0 dial near enough 0n 434.300?
[13:41] <F1VJQ> PE2G I have that in other VFO Now - thanks
[13:41] <M0JCU> 434.298
[13:41] <F1VJQ> RR
[13:46] <F1VJQ> It is still a fair way to go to the blue circle - impatient as always
[13:47] <PE2G> F1VJQ: Nothing on the waterfall yet?
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[13:50] <chrisg7ogx> passed the big three oh
[13:51] <F1VJQ> PE2G nil so far but it is still 200km before the LoS circle
[13:52] <F1VJQ> PE2G It is just south of Nantes, and I am 50km S of La Rochelle
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[13:53] <myier> cutdown in 2km
[13:53] <chrisg7ogx> F1VJQ i have my fingers crossed for you
[13:54] <chrisg7ogx> explosive cutters?
[13:54] <fsphil> xaben is stronger than hl here
[13:55] <fsphil> but decoding neither
[13:55] <F1VJQ> chrisg7ogx I usually hear high flights just as they go pop!!!
[13:55] <myier> you hear the pop? ;)
[13:56] <chrisg7ogx> sometimes you can notice a differsance
[13:56] <fsphil> it can be quite dramatic
[13:56] <F1VJQ> myier you usually hear a starange noise on the telemetry as it pops!!
[13:56] <chrisg7ogx> differance in the audio and stability of the traces
[13:56] <fsphil> got a line, 547.7km
[13:56] <F1VJQ> starange = strange
[13:56] <Piet0r_> PE2G: Wat is de URL van jouw site ook al weer?
[13:57] Nick change: Piet0r_ -> Piet0r
[13:57] <PE2G> F1VJQ: Habmap is showing the blue circle over La Rochelle now
[13:58] <F1VJQ> PE2G Snus shows it further north!
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[13:59] <chrisg7ogx> pop!
[13:59] <chrisg7ogx> change???
[13:59] <fsphil> it's stopped decoding here
[13:59] <F1VJQ> PE2G I normally hear or see the trace with circle at La Rochelle
[13:59] <fsphil> either burst or turbulance
[13:59] <fsphil> smoothing out now
[14:00] <chrisg7ogx> notice fluctuations?
[14:00] <F1VJQ> HL1 cut down...
[14:00] <fsphil> yea xaben was all over the place
[14:00] <MaXimaN> HL1 cut down
[14:00] <myier> xaben is accelerating, from 5.3 to 7.5m/s
[14:00] <fsphil> physics!
[14:00] <fsphil> yay
[14:00] <PE2G> Piet0r_: I have a temporary site only atm: http://pe2g.hostfree.nl/RSL/RS-tabel.html
[14:00] <chrisg7ogx> but not as we know it!
[14:00] <myier> :)
[14:01] <chrisg7ogx> you can see the spin in the traces and hear it
[14:01] <fsphil> we should launch a balloon on the next B- pass and try to image it up close
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[14:01] <fsphil> we of course meaning not me
[14:01] <myier> what's the cameras that are onboard HL1? how is obtained their temperature?
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[14:02] <Piet0r> PE2G: Ah yes, thnx
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[14:03] <chrisg7ogx> coming down like a greased ferret!
[14:05] <malgar> is there a !list command to get the actual balloons flying? :)
[14:05] <malgar> !list
[14:05] <malgar> no :P
[14:05] <fsphil> !flights
[14:05] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Current flights: 03XABEN78 10(a812), 03PS-18 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(797d), 03B-63 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(bc59), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[14:05] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/XABEN77-HL1_20140827/HL1_201408271404.jpg
[14:05] <malgar> oooh
[14:05] <malgar> wndeful
[14:05] <Maxell> PE2G: yeah contesia does outpreform rtty - but tuning is harder
[14:05] <fsphil> rtty can go faster
[14:05] <Maxell> harder - you can't see it :P
[14:05] <PE2G> Maxell: agreed
[14:05] <Rebounder> pretty accurate release.. :)
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[14:06] <malgar> !whereis B-63
[14:06] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-63 was over 03Sadang-ro 2cha-gil, Dongjak-gu, Seoul, South Korea 10(37.4862,126.9668) at 0312771 meters about 0317 days ago
[14:06] <F1VJQ> PE2G I can see the RTTY but nowhere near strong enough to decode... the transition is usually within seconds
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[14:07] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Looks like main chute is now out for HL1 http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/XABEN77-HL1_20140827/index.php?ind=1
[14:07] <malgar> I like very much this bot :P
[14:07] <fsphil> it loves you too
[14:07] <fsphil> its programming is that good
[14:07] <jonsowman> lol
[14:07] <Piet0r> :P
[14:08] <malgar> lol
[14:08] <fsphil> still won't make me a sandwich however
[14:08] <malgar> open the pod bay doors, SpacenearUS
[14:09] <chrisg7ogx> wheels down ginger!
[14:09] <PE2G> XABEN0 descending
[14:09] <F1VJQ> PE2G oh bugger!!
[14:10] <PE2G> Sorry still climbing...
[14:11] <edmoore> there are fines for that kind of thing
[14:11] <edmoore> like shouting 'fire' inside a heavily populated building
[14:11] <edmoore> this channel has rules
[14:11] <PE2G> Was looking at the wrong numbers :(
[14:11] <chrisg7ogx> much more stable hl1
[14:11] <F1VJQ> I'm hearing audio but no decode YET
[14:12] <MaXimaN> Wow
[14:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> XABEN0 Burst!
[14:12] <MaXimaN> Yeah :)
[14:12] <mightymik> xabeno sounds like it popped
[14:13] <F1VJQ> PE2G see... it never quite gets to me!!
[14:14] <F1VJQ> Gee whiz.. -77m/s !
[14:14] <chrisg7ogx> pay your taxes!
[14:14] <MaXimaN> It's definitely geting whipped around there
[14:15] <F1VJQ> chrisg7ogx oh I do!! Both in F and G
[14:15] <chrisg7ogx> ouch
[14:15] <lz1dev> Geoff-G8DHE_: ?vehicles=NAME1;NAME2
[14:16] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Tks lz1dev
[14:16] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/XABEN77-HL1_20140827/index.php?ind=2
[14:16] <MaXimaN> HL1 audible only for me, too low to track
[14:17] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://spacenear.us/tracker/datanew.php?format=kml&vehicle=HL1;XABEN0 ? comes back with nothing ?
[14:17] <lz1dev> notices the s at the end
[14:18] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah
[14:18] <MaXimaN> HL1 is down
[14:18] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Perfect they weee seperated by 8 balloons so came out the same colour before,!
[14:18] <Geoff-G8DHE_> were
[14:21] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Interesting profile ! http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/XABEN77-HL1_20140827/both_201408271420.jpg
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[14:28] <Rebounder> !sandwich to fsphil, pse
[14:28] <testshteacher> test message
[14:28] <F1VJQ> OFF here for now... back later...73
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[14:30] <MaXimaN> Did XAEBN0 just reset?
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[14:30] <MaXimaN> Heh
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[14:31] <MaXimaN> It reset just afterpacket 1081
[14:31] <G0HDI> Lost signal at about 8,000 mtrs
[14:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Gone for me as well
[14:32] <MaXimaN> Only just receiving at 4774M
[14:32] <MaXimaN> I wonder what triggered the reset
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[14:38] <MaXimaN> Touchdown!
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[14:39] <MaXimaN> Looks like both payloads landed in fields, although XABEN0 is perilously close to a road
[14:40] <MaXimaN> Ah, no it's fine :)
[14:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N2NXZ-7 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=N2NXZ-7
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[15:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LORA1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=LORA1
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[15:29] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[16:02] <myier> is it daveake here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vulture2spaceplane/balloon-launch-of-the-vulture-2-rocket-powered-spa ?
[16:02] <myier> looks like him
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[16:03] <craag_philcrump> yeah that's him
[16:03] <myier> nice
[16:04] <myier> I just read on another mailing list that they didn't get the authorization to launch in europe, so they'll launch in USA, too bad
[16:04] <craag_philcrump> and anthony too
[16:05] <myier> ok
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[17:21] <yo9ict> Hi guys
[17:22] <yo9ict> Any application note regarding PCB pattern from ublox gps to chip antenna ?
[17:22] <yo9ict> Like recommended width, lenght, and so on
[17:24] <mclane_> there is a HW application note on the ublox website
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[17:27] <mclane_> http://www.u-blox.com/images/downloads/Product_Docs/MAX7-NEO7_HardwareIntegrationManual_%28UBX-13003704%29.pdf
[17:28] <mclane_> page 51ff
[17:28] <yo9ict> Oh, thank you very much!
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[17:32] <mclane_> otherwise keep it short, look to some tracker photos eg.e here: http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=675
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[17:36] <LeoBodnar> i'd say if it's shorter than an inch its exact details are irrelevant. It's not a microstrip anymore at 1.5GHz but just a lumped component
[17:36] <LeoBodnar> unless done with contempt
[17:37] <LeoBodnar> like 6mil wide
[17:37] <LeoBodnar> or routed under the module
[17:39] <LeoBodnar> there is no point aagonising over 5mm track
[17:42] <LeoBodnar> i suspect typical UBLOX customer's device is the size of the mmobile phone where it might become critical
[17:42] <yo9ict> Understand Leo, thanks!
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[17:55] <tjanos> good afternoon!
[17:56] <Maxell> oh hai
[17:56] <tjanos> LeoBodnar, salute to your B66 : https://sites.google.com/site/siralyballoon/
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[17:57] <Upu> lol tjanos
[17:57] <LeoBodnar> lol :D thanks tjanos
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[17:59] <tjanos> at the beginning of sept we have a ubuntu meeting, we will taste it there... not this bottle, but another one (more)
[17:59] <tjanos> this is reseved for Leo...
[17:59] <tjanos> and ofcourse really Congratulations!!!
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[18:12] <LeoBodnar> thanks mate! :D
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[18:19] <lz1dev> didnt realize wine bottles support hmt
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[18:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI_CE1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=PI_CE1
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[19:32] <maxmed> Hi, question time! Has anyone had problems when having a gps break-out board inside of a foil coated container? The antenna is inside the container and seems to struggle to get a gps lock
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[19:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03route_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=route_chase
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[19:39] <SpeedEvil> err...
[19:40] <SpeedEvil> It won't work inside a shielded box, no
[19:40] <SpeedEvil> Or underwater
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[19:50] <MaXimaN> Or inside your body
[19:50] <MaXimaN> Or someone else's body
[19:51] <maxmed> ok I'll remove the foil coating. Second question: this is the code I'm running:https://github.com/Max-Med/New_HAB_Code/blob/master/New_HAB_Code_ino_ino/New_HAB_Code_ino_ino.ino but if I disconnect the gps it stops tranmitting anything, can anyone see where I should add another snprintf for if the gps becoems disconnected or broken? I've tried various places and none seem to work as I want
[19:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LAASE - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=LAASE
[19:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LORA2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=LORA2
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[20:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LAASE-B - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=LAASE-B
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[20:03] <Maxell> maxmed: foil coated container? Like, faraday cage?
[20:09] <maxmed> well more precicly it was foil lined in an attempt to keep the heat in, I guess a faraday cage around the paylaod could be useful if you plan on launching in a thunder storm!
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[20:11] <Maxell> maxmed: nah you just put a long wire on the payload train
[20:11] <Maxell> free energy!!!
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[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[20:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RASA - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=RASA
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[22:10] <mikestir> quiet
[22:19] Action: fsphil sets mode +m
[22:21] <mikestir> doesn't look like it would make any difference
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[22:29] <malgar> !whereis B-63
[22:29] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-63 was over 03Sadang-ro 2cha-gil, Dongjak-gu, Seoul, South Korea 10(37.4862,126.9668) at 0312771 meters about 0318 days ago
[22:29] <malgar> !whereis B-64
[22:29] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-64 was over 03Kargopolsky District, Arkhangelsk Oblast, Russia 10(61.6213,38.2415) at 0312258 meters about 034 days ago
[22:29] <malgar> !whereis B-66
[22:29] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-66 was over 03Trostyanets'kyi district, Sums'ka oblast, Ukraine 10(50.7202,35.0408) at 0313357 meters about 03a day ago
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[22:31] <malclocke> we're possibly doing an NZ launch this weekend, is it worth announcing on the ukhas list? I'm thinking no.
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