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[02:46] <N2NXZ> Question if anyone is awake.When using genpayload,does someone need to approve a test config before it will work?And how long will it keep working?
[02:48] <N2NXZ> I ask because last test was working fine,now it does not.My flight doc does not work and neither will my last working config
[02:48] <N2NXZ> Code is exactl;y the same and has not been changed
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[02:58] <aadamson> n2nxz what is the payload name and I'll take a look at it
[02:58] <aadamson> I had to fix it for you last time I think and once there is a payload, you shouldn't need to mess with it
[02:58] <aadamson> if you send data, and there is a payload document it will show on the map
[03:00] <N2NXZ> N2NXZ-7
[03:00] <aadamson> the one dated today I assume, as there are lots of -7's
[03:00] <N2NXZ> You had it working awhile back,not sure what I did wrong
[03:01] <aadamson> well, what you were sending then isn't what is in your payload document
[03:01] <aadamson> what does a sample string look like?
[03:01] <N2NXZ> Yes,the test 7`s,but the last one I did is labeled Floater so I knew which was the neswest
[03:01] <aadamson> oh let me find that one
[03:02] <aadamson> ok, found it, but it has 5 things in the string and I think you are sending more than that... show me a sample string?
[03:02] <N2NXZ> $$$$$N2NXZ-7,1418,03:01:57,43.326141,-77.766357,87.8,4978.84,2,0.82,8*BB2C
[03:02] <aadamson> um yeah, that's a few more than 5
[03:02] <N2NXZ> I used the 5 $$$$$ to have a good lead in,it was used on another and seemed to be ok
[03:03] <aadamson> so no, not that... there are more than 5 element with commas between them
[03:03] <aadamson> that string you send has to match the string you put in the payload document
[03:03] <aadamson> so let me see if I ca help you out
[03:03] <N2NXZ> Do I need to make another,wish they could be deleted :(
[03:04] <aadamson> no, hang on... I need to go find the other one
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[03:06] <N2NXZ> ok,the one you helped with before was N2NXZ-7 final test...last on list I think.
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[03:12] <aadamson> are you skipping all the $$$ when you calculate the CRC?
[03:13] <aadamson> I can't use youre exact string, and I can't find a valid CRC from it
[03:13] <aadamson> ah
[03:13] <aadamson> just figure it out
[03:13] <aadamson> you are still including 3 of the 5 $$ in the CRC calc, you need to fix that
[03:13] <N2NXZ> hmmm,I am so new to this that I really do not know what to do,should I put a new string in the tracker code?
[03:14] <aadamson> for now, just make the tracker do $$ and not $$$$$
[03:14] <N2NXZ> remove the $$$$$
[03:14] <aadamson> and then give me a sample string
[03:14] <N2NXZ> I used 5 trying to copy a previous tracker that worked,but I will have to wait to reprogram the code
[03:15] <aadamson> ok, well, you can use 5 if you want, but you'll have to modify the code to calculate the CRC on everything minus all the $$$'s
[03:15] <N2NXZ> The tracker and entire payload has been ON for 3 days now testing and need to finish for my battery test,otherwise,back to a long wait for another battery teat
[03:15] <aadamson> right now you are only skipping the first 2
[03:16] <aadamson> ok... well, then you'll have to come back when you are done with that
[03:16] <N2NXZ> Arethey needed at all before the ID?
[03:16] <aadamson> yes
[03:16] <aadamson> to give the receivers a change to get tuned before the actual data
[03:16] <aadamson> starts
[03:17] <N2NXZ> Thats what I thought,but was not sure how many to use
[03:17] <aadamson> you can use as many as you want, you just need to skip them when you calculate the CRC
[03:17] <aadamson> that 4 digit hex string at the end is the CRC
[03:17] <N2NXZ> CRC,is greek to me,how is the calculation done?
[03:17] <aadamson> and it has to match the rest of the string without $'s
[03:18] <aadamson> easier to look up CRC online :)
[03:18] <N2NXZ> ok
[03:18] <aadamson> cyclic redundancy check
[03:18] <N2NXZ> I will study that,still wondering why it worked this way a few weeks ago
[03:18] <aadamson> it's a way to validate that what you sent is actually what you sent
[03:18] <aadamson> because you didn't have the 5 $'s
[03:18] <aadamson> you had 2
[03:19] <N2NXZ> The code has been un changed,I soldered the final components and it has been sitting here since
[03:19] <aadamson> well not sure then, but I checked and your CRC above included 3 of the $'s
[03:20] <aadamson> so something has changed somwhere along the line
[03:20] <aadamson> what is the link to the code you usued?
[03:20] <aadamson> used?
[03:20] <N2NXZ> Tomorrow if the batteries are dead,I will take it inside and reprogram the CRC
[03:21] <N2NXZ> It was on Github,ran into it by accident and tried it for no real reason and it worked.I could email it to you
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[03:22] <N2NXZ> Check your mail soon
[03:22] <aadamson> k
[03:23] <aadamson> ok so hang on, let me see how the protocol works... maybe I'm wrong with the multiple $$'s
[03:25] <N2NXZ> The original code show only 2 - $$
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[03:26] <N2NXZ> Maybe that was my fault thinking to copy a previous code
[03:26] <N2NXZ> I sent it to you compressed
[03:26] <N2NXZ> Be back in a moment
[03:29] <aadamson> ok... I think I've got it give me a few more mins...
[03:29] <N2NXZ> no problem,I been wroking on this for months...lol
[03:32] <aadamson> ok, send something let me watch the log for a minute
[03:33] <N2NXZ> ok
[03:33] <aadamson> sprintf(datastring,"%s,%d,%s,%s,%s,%s,%s,%d,%s,%d",callsign,counter,time,new_lat,new_lon,altitude,diststr,lock,vbatts,satellites);
[03:33] <aadamson> that is what your string looks like btw
[03:33] <aadamson> so you know what the values are.
[03:34] <aadamson> hmmm
[03:34] <aadamson> its not decoding... so hang on
[03:34] <N2NXZ> I need to select the proper test doc?
[03:35] <N2NXZ> Not sure which one anymore
[03:39] <aadamson> the floater one is the one I'm messing with
[03:39] <aadamson> and I'm fairly sure that the sentence format is right
[03:39] <aadamson> but it's failing on the checksum
[03:39] <N2NXZ> I thought so too
[03:39] <N2NXZ> Baffling
[03:40] <N2NXZ> You an I had it working once before,same identical code
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[03:41] <N2NXZ> I had my flight doc apporved this morning,it is listed in the FLIGHT list
[03:41] <aadamson> well, above my paygrade sorry... something is different... let me look at the tail again
[03:41] <aadamson> log tail
[03:44] <N2NXZ> CantExtractCallsign exception in simple_binary: CantExtractCallsign
[03:44] <aadamson> about all I can tell you is that the string in the log starts $$n2nxz, and yet the CRC that is sent with the string is uses $$$
[03:44] <aadamson> let me check on other thing
[03:44] <N2NXZ> ok
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[03:47] <aadamson> did you change the "$$callsign" in that file you sent me to $$$$$N2NXZ-7?
[03:48] <N2NXZ> yes i did
[03:48] <N2NXZ> I am mnow thinking only use 2
[03:49] <aadamson> or in the gps_CRC16_checksum routine you can change the i=2 to i=5
[03:49] <aadamson> but I'd check with Anthony, somewhere I seem to remember not to include $$ in the crc calc... let me see what I do in my code... hang on
[03:49] <N2NXZ> I may have reloade to code somewhere along the line and accidentally uploaded the wrong one
[03:51] <aadamson> yeah I skip all the $$$'s in my code
[03:51] <aadamson> so if you change that i=2 to i=5 and leave it $$$$$n2nxz-7 the stuff I changed in the last floater will/should work
[03:51] <N2NXZ> It repeats enough not to need them it seems
[03:52] <N2NXZ> How do I remove N2NXZ-7 off the flight list?
[03:52] <aadamson> I have no idea, post a note in habhub and see if one of the ops can help with that..
[03:52] <N2NXZ> ok,I appreciate your help and time
[03:52] <aadamson> yep, no problem sorry we couldn't get it going.
[03:53] <N2NXZ> My stress levels were maxed today
[03:53] <aadamson> hehe... I can appreciate that... I'm off to bed... take care, best of luck on the flight...
[03:53] <N2NXZ> I am still testing my battery packs,been ON mode since Friday...have a good night and will try to change the code
[03:54] <N2NXZ> I see you have one in the air
[03:55] <aadamson> had one in the air... lightning got it :)
[03:55] <N2NXZ> ouch
[03:55] <aadamson> fyi, looks like the guys in maine have a night floater up - http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FAB1OM-11&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[03:55] <N2NXZ> hmmm...going to check that out.I have a few ground trackers there
[03:55] <aadamson> great winds for a maine floater to stay over the us...
[03:56] <aadamson> ok... take care
[03:56] <N2NXZ> hope mine leaves the US
[03:56] <N2NXZ> TAKE CARE ,,,TNX AGAIN
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[04:29] <mclane__> ping dj3ak
[04:29] <mclane__> DJ3AK: auf welcher Frequenz ist B66 gerade?
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[04:43] <Maxell> last decode 5 hrs ago $$B-66,14591,233329,140825,49.6688,2.423I,13447,9,-44,3.26,0*3AFB
[04:43] <Maxell> But yeah, was in range for a very short while
[04:47] <DJ3AK> mclane Guten Morgen, freq ist 434500.5 @ 1200 Hz
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[05:53] <malgar> !whereis B-66
[05:53] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-66 is over 03Upper Palatinate, Germany 10(49.501,12.6217) at 0313411 meters
[05:53] <malgar> !ping B-66
[05:53] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: Last contact with 03B-66 was 03a minute ago
[05:54] <Maxell> malgar: yay SpacenearUS bot
[05:56] <malgar> Maxell: yes, but unfortunately B-66 is just few km to far for me :(
[05:56] <Maxell> hehe
[05:57] <Maxell> No luck yesterday?
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[05:57] <malgar> yesterday was too far. Now it is in the nearest point
[05:58] <Maxell> :(
[06:00] <malgar> this is my best line of sight
[06:00] <malgar> http://www.heywhatsthat.com/bin/profile-0904.cgi?src=profiler-0904&curvature=1&axes=1&greatcircle=1&metric=1&freq=434&refraction=&exaggeration=&pt0=46.037808,11.060883,ff0000&pt1=49.521643,12.615051,,13411
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[06:44] <malgar> !whereis B-66
[06:44] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-66 is over 03Strakonice District, Czech Republic 10(49.3727,13.8485) at 0313396 meters
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[06:53] <arko> The one time a B flight is in range of me and I end up not having a radio....
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[07:20] <LeoBodnar> morning
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[07:28] <MaXimaN> Good morning
[07:28] <MaXimaN> I think I got a couple of additional greens on B-66 after I went to bed
[07:29] <MaXimaN> Quite happy with that, considering my lousy setup
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[08:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LORA1 after 03a day silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=LORA1
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[09:23] <malgar> !whereis B-66
[09:23] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-66 is over 03Zlín District, Czech Republic 10(49.2502,17.7234) at 0313467 meters
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[09:29] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: 3 page #HAB article by Decode columnist Mike G4WNC in September RadioUser Magazine http://t.co/BUvvBHt7UX #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas
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[09:33] <murb> bugger it b-66 went close here in the night and now isn't close.
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[10:02] <MaXimaN> LORA1?
[10:02] <MaXimaN> is that actually in the air, or a test?
[10:02] <daveake> It's in my BBQ
[10:02] <MaXimaN> Ah, stress testing it
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[10:02] <daveake> It seems pretty unstressed
[10:02] <MaXimaN> Medium or well done?
[10:03] <daveake> Er, no, faraday approximation
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[10:19] <pd3t> !ping LORA1
[10:19] <SpacenearUS> 03pd3t: Last contact with 03LORA1 was 03a few seconds ago
[10:20] <pd3t> anyone here with the frequency of LORA1?
[10:20] <craag_philcrump> pd3t: It's a ground test
[10:21] <craag_philcrump> although apparently Dave's bbq isn't well grounded..
[10:21] <pd3t> lol
[10:21] <pd3t> then i go back to sat tracking
[10:22] <mattbrejza> also i dont think fldigi will have much luck with LORA1
[10:24] <daveake> er no :)
[10:26] <craag_philcrump> daveake: What format are you using in the packet?
[10:26] <daveake> SF 11, error coding 4/8, BW 20.8kHz
[10:27] <craag_philcrump> I mean data structure
[10:27] <daveake> Happily decodingyet the signal's invisible on the FCD
[10:27] <craag_philcrump> :)
[10:27] <daveake> Oh just sending a habitat style packet
[10:27] <daveake> So my Pi gateway just receives and passes on
[10:27] <craag_philcrump> ok
[10:28] <daveake> Obviously could do better than that
[10:28] <daveake> But I might send up a dual RTTY/LoRa so would make sense to have 1 bit of code to build a sentence
[10:29] <craag_philcrump> mm, would provide a good comparison too
[10:30] <daveake> yup
[10:30] <craag_philcrump> shame about thursdays flight
[10:30] <daveake> yeah
[10:30] <craag_philcrump> this weekend is looking like it might be a bit muddy too!
[10:30] <daveake> Yup
[10:31] <daveake> http://imgur.com/COCFhdQ
[10:31] <daveake> Sounds like a tweeting bird on drugs
[10:32] <craag_philcrump> very cool
[10:32] <craag_philcrump> Shall have to get a receiver up at the websdr site
[10:32] <adamgreig> is it transmitting the carrier?
[10:32] <mattbrejza> LO leakage id guess
[10:32] <adamgreig> yea I imagine so
[10:33] <adamgreig> forgot this is 20kHz wide signal lol
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[10:33] <daveake> LO
[10:33] <daveake> 18 secs to send the packet (fixed at 80 bytes at present)
[10:33] <adamgreig> not bad
[10:33] <mattbrejza> seems about the same as 50 baud rtty then
[10:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car123_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=car123_chase
[10:34] <daveake> There's one by spreading-factor setting that doubles the time roughly and extends range a bit
[10:34] <daveake> Otherwise everything is wound up for max range
[10:34] <daveake> Well except power ofc :p
[10:34] <daveake> yes I think it woorked out at 59
[10:35] <adamgreig> isn't 80 bytes in 18 seconds 35bd?
[10:35] <daveake> header and preamble
[10:35] <adamgreig> though given rate 1/2 error coding that's a symbol of at least 70bd on the wire
[10:36] <daveake> 20.8kHz is the widest bandwidth without taking up more than one 25kHz channel
[10:36] <adamgreig> what does the wide wide bandwidth give you?
[10:36] <craag_philcrump> 20khz is enough to mitigate the effect of most SRD qrm
[10:36] <adamgreig> at a low data rate and the same power, more noise bandwidth too? guess it spreads over narrowband qrm a bit
[10:37] <adamgreig> mm
[10:39] <mattbrejza> i should be no advantage in the AWGN case
[10:39] <adamgreig> disadvantage even
[10:39] <adamgreig> but that's qrm for you
[10:39] <mattbrejza> yea also the spreading should help against drift
[10:40] <mattbrejza> daveake: do you program the rx with some sort of ID of the transmitter? the protocol is supposed to be multiple user so i was wondering how that wokred
[10:42] <daveake> My receiver just checks to see if it looks like a habitat sentence and if so it pokes it at habitat. That's all it does.
[10:43] <fsphil> do you bother with a checksum?
[10:43] <fsphil> I think the packets already have one
[10:44] <daveake> I enabled the CRC in the LoRa packet, and yes the sentence payload has the usual CRC too
[10:44] <daveake> Doesn't need the latter but again this could be a dual-mode tracker so it might as well
[10:45] <daveake> I check that the packet CRC worked but I don't check the sentence CRC. Of course habitat does that anyway
[10:46] <mattbrejza> would be interesting to see how the 'basestation' versions do (Which support multiple user (MU))
[10:46] <mattbrejza> also if we end up using this on a regular basis we might have to decide on a packet structure :P
[10:46] <daveake> hee :)
[10:47] <LeoBodnar> yet another binary ukhas format?
[10:47] <fsphil> have a small slow packet that advertises the payloads details
[10:47] <mattbrejza> well i would initially propose the binary packet format utilised by turbohab
[10:48] <mattbrejza> (its msgpack based)
[10:48] <daveake> You could certainly shrink the packet down a lot, then you could use SF=12 for more range and still have more frequenct updates than I have here
[10:48] <LeoBodnar> i thought we are moving towards xml
[10:48] <craag_philcrump> I'd second 'habpack' I think you called it
[10:48] <mattbrejza> oh yea forgot it was caleld that
[10:48] <daveake> Yeah XML then :p
[10:48] <adamgreig> what's SF?
[10:48] <adamgreig> spreading factor I guess
[10:48] <daveake> Spreading factor
[10:48] <mattbrejza> the idea of habpack is that each sentence is self describing, like ukhasnet stuff
[10:49] <adamgreig> what's it do?
[10:49] <mattbrejza> doesnt give too much overhead
[10:49] <adamgreig> habpack, nice
[10:49] <daveake> :)
[10:51] <daveake> Take a look at http://www.semtech.com/images/datasheet/sx1276.pdf
[10:51] <craag_philcrump> Getting some arduino example code up on the wiki is probably the first step to proliferation
[10:51] <daveake> "The spread spectrum LoRaTM modulation is performed by representing each bit of payload information by multiple chips of information. The rate at which the spread information is sent is referred to as the symbol rate (Rs), the ratio between the nominal symbol rate and chip rate is the spreading factor and represents the number of symbols sent per bit of information."
[10:52] <mattbrejza> s/ardunio/generic c code/
[10:53] <craag_philcrump> c... too complex for some
[10:53] <fsphil> I have a limited msgpack encoder somewhere
[10:53] <fsphil> it's pretty tiny
[10:53] <craag_philcrump> we'll also need a BASIC implementation of course
[10:53] <mattbrejza> c is too complicated, lets use c++ instead!
[10:53] <daveake> BASIC ofc
[10:53] <fsphil> watch your language
[10:54] <adamgreig> PIC assembler :P
[10:55] <adamgreig> I'm kinda sad that leo's success hasn't led to a surge of pic based payloads programmed in assembler
[10:56] <adamgreig> daveake: ah ok, so for a fixed bandwidth, the spreading factor determines your useful data rate?
[10:57] <daveake> yep
[10:57] <daveake> so higher sf takes longer but better sensitivity
[10:57] <adamgreig> got it. wow, they're really just little QFN parts?
[10:57] <adamgreig> or do you buy them on a module carrier thing?
[10:57] <daveake> and £5-odd on a board from ebay
[10:58] <adamgreig> nice
[10:58] <adamgreig> oh god
[10:58] <adamgreig> just got to the part in the datasheet with the example code
[10:58] <daveake> Yes. HopeRF.
[10:58] <adamgreig> a screenshot of some C in notepad++
[10:58] <daveake> ah
[10:58] <adamgreig> lol
[10:58] <daveake> yup
[10:58] <adamgreig> too difficult to copy-paste it into the datasheet eh
[10:58] <daveake> You may remember me complaining about that elsewhere :p
[10:58] <adamgreig> aaah yes
[10:58] <adamgreig> didn't join the dots
[10:59] <daveake> Sadly that's what you have to do to cut 'n' paste it
[10:59] <adamgreig> hehe
[10:59] <mattbrejza> do hoperf screw with the IC like they do on the Si parts?
[10:59] <daveake> Not that I've noticed
[10:59] <daveake> However they did screw up the manual
[10:59] <daveake> Mightily
[10:59] <daveake> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HopeRF-RFM98W-433Mhz-LoRa-Ultra-Long-Range-Transceiver-SX1278-compatible-/181442620537?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a3ed2ac79
[11:07] <craag_philcrump> The first rule of HopeRF documentation... is don't read the HopeRF documentation.
[11:13] <daveake> HopeLessRF
[11:15] <daveake> I renamed my copy to Hopeless RFM95_96_97_98.pdf just to remind me
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[11:21] <murb> rule two never put spaces in file names :p
[11:23] <daveake> It's not a file I ever wish to use
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[11:32] <SpeedEvil> http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/resshow/perry/scoters/Nantucket_Telemetry/Seaduck_Nantucket_Telemetry_DNA_LTDU.cfm
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[11:39] <mattbrejza> lol http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/resshow/perry/scoters/Nantucket_Telemetry/LTDU%20with%20antenna.jpg
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[11:55] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[11:59] <lz1dev> time for lunch
[11:59] <lz1dev> https://i.imgur.com/ztiHDJ4.gif
[12:02] <Laurenceb_> http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77167000/jpg/_77167577_77167576.jpg
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[12:49] <chimpusmaximus> Hi, apart from randomsolutions who do not have any in stock does any one have any good suggestions for payload boxes?
[12:50] <mattbrejza> how big?
[12:50] <daveake> Hobbycraft
[12:50] <daveake> Or make your own
[12:50] <mattbrejza> http://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/advancedsearchresults.aspx?query=polystrene&resultsPerPage=100
[12:50] <chimpusmaximus> Internal: 140 x 140 x 140mm would do
[12:50] <mattbrejza> you could always have one box for cameras and one for gps
[12:51] <mattbrejza> http://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/hobbycraft-polystyrene-box-with-flat-lid/591590-1000
[12:51] <chimpusmaximus> did consider hobbycraft but found their small box was not a sthink as i would have liked. Did consider making my own as got some sheet from wicks but it was not going so well.
[12:51] <chimpusmaximus> not as thick as i would have liked
[12:52] <chimpusmaximus> mattbrejza: will consider multi boxes
[12:52] <Maxell> craag_philcrump: hmm, PD1ODE-1 SUWS WebSDR igate is doing quite well. The HTML5 websocket-software might require some priorization :P
[12:52] <mattbrejza> you can get thick (50mm) stuff from wicks/B&Q etc, but thats too thick
[12:52] <Maxell> craag_philcrump: Heard 18 stations (161 packets) directly, igated 218 packets.
[12:52] <mattbrejza> 25mm is fine
[12:52] <daveake> I've used the box a couple of times, but not with a heavy camera
[12:53] <daveake> Wickes do 25mm too
[12:53] <daveake> 2.5m x 0.6m :p
[12:53] <mattbrejza> ive put a video and stills camera together in one of those boxes, which then landed on concrete
[12:53] <mattbrejza> that was a single use box
[12:53] <mattbrejza> stuff inside was fine
[12:53] <chimpusmaximus> :-)
[12:55] <chimpusmaximus> i might take another look at the hobbycraft one as have one local.
[12:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZURG - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=ZURG
[12:56] <craag_philcrump> Maxell: :)
[13:02] <Maxell> https://i.imgur.com/3hNfw7z.jpg haha
[13:03] <Laurenceb_> lolz
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> heh
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[13:35] <Laurenceb_> why does the mobile tracker not show the temperature?
[13:39] <lz1dev> hmm
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[13:54] <Lunar_LanderU> yay B-66 twice around the world :)
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[13:58] <SpeedEvil> B66 showing longest recorded ground-track - just edging out 64. 58000km.
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[14:09] <Lunar_LanderU> cool
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[14:23] <lz1dev> !whereis b-66
[14:23] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03B-66 is over 03Ternopil's'kyi district, Ternopil's'ka oblast, Ukraine 10(49.6299,25.6388) at 0313460 meters
[14:23] <lz1dev> dangerous skies there
[14:23] <fsphil> oblast
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[14:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03manasa_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=manasa_chase
[14:27] <x-f> fsphil, "district"
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[14:32] <lz1dev> oblast != district
[14:33] <LeoBodnar> it's more of a county i'd say
[14:34] <lz1dev> yep
[14:34] <LeoBodnar> Londons'ka oblast
[14:35] <murb> province maybe.
[14:35] <murb> see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative
[14:35] <Lunar_LanderU> see you later!
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[14:38] <Laurenceb_> http://www.nofs.navy.mil/about_NOFS/staff/cbl/lumentab.html
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[14:43] <molo> ARRL: "As of August 25 at 15:30 ... the B63 balloon (M0XER-3 on APRS) was located nearly 42,000 feet above South Korea" .. no, that was 15 days ago.
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> It might still bethere.
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> Maybe they have better info.
[14:44] <molo> lol
[14:44] <molo> ARRL news gets it wrong again..
[14:46] <LeoBodnar> When Blanchard was crossing the channel in the hydrogen filled balloon it leaked so much gas that they had to dispose of everything they had in the cabin
[14:47] <LeoBodnar> they arrived in France in just underware and life jackets
[14:48] <LeoBodnar> that was January 1785
[14:49] <molo> LeoBodnar: they should have had your envelopes.
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[14:54] <nats`> next Leo achievement: Swarm of pico B's to move people over the world
[14:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> What in there underwear ?
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[14:58] <ScottM85> hi
[14:58] <ScottM85> would one of these work for hab? http://www.amazon.co.uk/TeckNet-Dual-Port-Lightning-Sensation-Blackberry/dp/B00A0NALHE/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1ML5JQD0TUS0A#productDetails
[14:58] <lz1dev> nats`: people? ant people?
[14:59] <nats`> bow down in front of the ants !
[14:59] <ScottM85> 327g but loads of power, I'm getting one anyway because that's a bargain, just wondered how a li-ion works when it's cold
[15:00] <lz1dev> nats`: how dare you speak to a god! *shakes his magnifying glass*
[15:01] <nats`> Ants will rule the universe just let them get their own ANTSA
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[15:01] <nats`> (Ant space agency)
[15:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ScottM85, http://ukhas.org.uk/ideas:power_supply
[15:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Might need a lot of protection on landing to stop them bursting into flames hwever!
[15:06] <ScottM85> geoff-G8DHE-M, but it would hopefully be under parachute if all goes well
[15:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> and when it doesn't ?
[15:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Do you have good insurance ?
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[15:15] <ScottM85> Geoff-G8DHE-M, that's a good point, maybe I won't include my contact details in the payload
[15:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> :)
[15:16] <daveake> Just out the battery and address label next to each other
[15:16] <daveake> put
[15:16] <ScottM85> so are AAA or AA cells a safer option then?
[15:17] <ScottM85> haha yeah
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[15:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N2NXZ-7 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=N2NXZ-7
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[15:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03manu_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=manu_chase
[15:44] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: #UKHASNet talk by M6JCX at RSGB Convention Sunday Oct 12 http://t.co/0zGhskwi0S #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas
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[16:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=car_chase
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[16:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LORA1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=LORA1
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[16:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[16:42] <Maxell> lz1dev: does the mobile tracker support inverse filtering?
[16:44] <lz1dev> no
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[16:51] <fsphil> spacenear does now by prefixing a payload name with !
[16:52] <fsphil> the normal page defaults to !B-*
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[17:05] <Rebounder> evening!
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[17:13] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: Sandeep Baruah VU2MUE - Reception of B-45 balloon https://t.co/mOcFcGNVvu #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas
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[17:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=CALLSIGN123_chase
[17:38] <fsphil> original
[17:38] <ulfr> Very much.
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[17:43] <namor> dear leo bodnar. i tried to send you a mail to your support address. we are working on solar balloon flights and wonder, where you would start to develop a lightweight aprs-tracker for non british residents ;o)
[17:45] <Rebounder> namor: this is not a smtp-server
[17:45] <Rebounder> namor: check out http://ukhas.org.uk/ and the email-list
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[17:46] <lz1dev> Maxell: i've added inverse filtering, use ! infront
[17:46] <lz1dev> !track !b-*
[17:46] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Here you go - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=!b-*
[17:46] <namor> ops. sorry.
[17:46] <lz1dev> !track !b-* !*chase
[17:46] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Here you go - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=!b-*;!*chase
[17:47] <fsphil> that was quick
[17:48] <namor> chris stubbs suggested to contact you here...
[17:48] <mattbrejza> shame the cache on the webserver isnt so quick
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[18:02] <tweetBot> @daveake: Quick test of LoRa balloon tracker round a muddy field. #UKHAS http://t.co/fBZuifmmHB
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[18:20] <malgar> !whereis B-66
[18:20] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: 03B-66 was over 03Ukraine 10(49.9928,31.3098) at 0313460 meters
[18:20] <malgar> !ping b-66
[18:20] <SpacenearUS> 03malgar: Last contact with 03B-66 was 038 minutes ago
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[18:27] <Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eA46WFX7jWA
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[18:44] <Rebounder> Laurenceb_: safe for a exploding HAB..:)
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[18:56] <mfa298> df
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[19:12] <Laurenceb_> B-66 about to reach the longitude where it woke up the last time around
[19:12] <Laurenceb_> first circumnavigation with complete data?
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[19:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI_CE1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=PI_CE1
[19:17] <Laurenceb_> tho first B-64 came close
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[19:37] <MaXimaN> Evening all
[19:37] <MaXimaN> Over two weeks since we heard from B-63
[19:37] <MaXimaN> What was the longest gap between comms for the other two?
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[20:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LW2DTZ - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=LW2DTZ
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[21:13] <noComment> Does anyone know where I should look to find a radio, possilby for a raspberry pi, that I could operate in the US?
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[21:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> noComment, You'll have to explain that a bit more do you mean a transmitter for a rPI ?
[21:15] <noComment> I'd like to put it on a balloon to use to relay in-flight GPS coords to the ground
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[21:18] <noComment> I'll clarify - a payload, not a balloon. I'm very new to all of this.
[21:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes a Transmitter then, a radio is normally the receiver. Yes there is a device made Pi-in-sky or something like that daveake or upu ?
[21:18] <daveake> yes something like that :)
[21:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/
[21:18] <noComment> Excellent, I'll look into that! Thank you very much!
[21:19] <daveake> for US you'll need a radio ham license
[21:19] <noComment> For that kit, or regardless?
[21:20] <daveake> for most options
[21:20] <daveake> including that kit
[21:20] <daveake> and APRS
[21:20] <daveake> APRS is generally the best bet for the US
[21:20] <daveake> As your payload will get tracked by an existing network, not just you
[21:20] <noComment> http://www.inmojo.com/store/rpi900/item/rpi900/ this is a transmitter I was looking at. What is your opinion on using this?
[21:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thats only the transmitter no GPS
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> new tech: http://s.gullipics.com/image/o/f/8/5yvbru-kde25t-zj81/20140826154403.jpeg http://s.gullipics.com/image/h/y/9/5yvbru-kde257-k95w/20140826154420.jpeg
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[21:22] <craag_philcrump> Geoff-G8DHE: It's not even the TX, it's an interface board for it.
[21:22] <noComment> But couldn't the pi be configured with a gps to transmit coordinates? Or am I mistaken?
[21:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Your right just the interface alone
[21:23] <craag_philcrump> Lunar_Lander: Is it working?
[21:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes the idea works but that is a bit naff look at the link for pi-in-the-sky its everything you want
[21:23] <daveake> s/configured/programmed
[21:23] <noComment> Will do! Thank you!
[21:23] <daveake> It might work; dunno. Suggest you go with something that's known to work
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> not tested yet
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> I don't have C2 I noticed while working on it
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> D'oh
[21:25] <noComment> So that pi-in-the-sky kit uses the APRS network?
[21:26] <mikestir> haven't people had success with high power 915 MHz kit in the us?
[21:27] <Upu> no noComment
[21:27] <daveake> no it doesn't use APRS
[21:27] <Upu> for APRS you will either need to buy an APRS tracker or use a HABDuino with the optional HX1
[21:27] <Upu> www.habduino.org
[21:27] <Upu> or make one yourself is always a good idea :)
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[21:56] <simium> just wanted to say thank you to Geoff-G8DHE and daveake who yesterday helped me with my ssdv payload, it works like a charm now
[21:57] <simium> the problem was in the tx pin for the NTX2, I used the 3-resistor scheme but it should be left alone, just the signal from arduino
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[22:16] <Maxell> fsphil: lz1dev: you guys are heros <3
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