highaltitude.log.20140824

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[07:47] <oh7bd> Gm! B-64: Omni Diamond X-200 for 434500, yagi 14 dBd for APRS
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[08:15] <LeoBodnar> nice work oh7bd
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[08:18] <oh7bd> Just pleased to listen the success flight, Leo!
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[08:27] <jededu> Can somone approve this flight doc please launching at 10:00 today b960a4fa33ee580115a710ddf7cf8e48
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[08:31] <Upu> approved with 29mins to spare...
[08:32] <jededu> thx lol
[08:32] <daveake> *Upu is now known as speedy gonzales
[08:32] <jededu> it should float
[08:32] <LeoBodnar> ooh floater \o/
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[08:33] <jededu> and hopefully flightmode works
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[08:50] <jededu> waiting for lock
[08:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPIC1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=EDUPIC1
[08:53] <jededu> we have gps lock :)
[08:55] <Upu> !payloads
[08:55] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[08:55] <Upu> !flights
[08:55] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Current flights: 03EDUPIC1 Flightmode Test 10(8e48), 03AUSTRO-I 10(3c65), 03W7QO-solar 10(72ab), 03PS-18 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(797d), 03B-63 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(bc59), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(705b)
[08:56] <Upu> !payloads 8e48
[08:56] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Payload 03EDUPIC1 10(8e48) - 03434.325 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/430Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[08:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> !whereis EDUPIC1
[08:59] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: 03EDUPIC1 is near 03West Midlands, UK 10(52.53878417,-1.878133) at 03141 meters
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[09:01] <daveake> !whereis Wally
[09:01] <SpacenearUS> 03daveake: I haven't got a clue
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[09:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah just realised what these payloads without Balloons are!
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[09:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ha its up ...
[09:10] <jededu> alt isnt reading correctly
[09:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> No ?
[09:11] <jededu> might be now
[09:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks good here
[09:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/EDUPIC1_20140824/
[09:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Could be a while before I hear it however heading North!
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[09:25] <mikestir> still not a peep here - 434.325 right?
[09:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thats what I have
[09:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> but I don't expect to hear it for a while
[09:28] <mikestir> I'd expect to be seeing at least traces of it here by now
[09:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> I can't see m6dnu on the map ?
[09:29] <jededu> Where are you mikestir
[09:29] <mikestir> wirral
[09:29] Nick change: mikestir -> mikestir_M0MKS
[09:29] <jededu> Ahh ok
[09:30] <G8KNN> not even the hint of a trace here in Cambridge :(
[09:31] <mikestir_M0MKS> who's G7GQW?
[09:31] <mikestir_M0MKS> they're only a couple of miles from me but I don't recognise the callsign
[09:32] <jededu> Its still quite low
[09:32] <mikestir_M0MKS> have you got a dial freq jededu? is it on frequency?
[09:33] <jededu> 434.650
[09:33] <jededu> dead on
[09:33] <mikestir_M0MKS> oh right
[09:33] <mikestir_M0MKS> that will be why then
[09:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> so why did you publish 434.325 ?
[09:33] <mikestir_M0MKS> yes big signal
[09:33] <mikestir_M0MKS> I tuned around as well, but only up to .5
[09:34] <jededu> Sorry my mistake swapped out for an MTX2
[09:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> we'll forgive you ;-)
[09:37] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: HAB UPDATE: EDUPIC1 is on 434.650MHz
[09:37] <tweetBot> #ukhas #hamr #hab
[09:39] <LeoBodnar> if it comes my way and the sky is clear i'll have a go at it with a scope http://leobodnar.com/balloons/files/iPhone_vs_ETX-105.jpg
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[09:45] <db_g6gzh> nice, did you get tracking to work?
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[09:48] <qyx_> lol, nice
[09:49] <LeoBodnar> almost :D
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[10:24] <Upu> what frequency is this on ?
[10:24] <Upu> ah 650
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[10:26] <Martin_G4FUI> EDUPIC1 sneaking out of the noise in Penrith ...
[10:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just got my first green
[10:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> jededu: Are you intending this one to float?
[10:30] <Maxell> I can't update my flight list... EZ::cURLError: curl_easy_perform: Couldn't resolve host name
[10:30] <mightymik> just had a 5.7 earthquake in Oakland, california
[10:31] <SpeedEvil> Hmm
[10:31] <SpeedEvil> mightymik: you feel it?
[10:31] <mightymik> yep
[10:31] Action: SpeedEvil loads hysplit, and looks for nearby reactors.
[10:32] <mightymik> start w/ diablo canyon ...
[10:32] <Maxell> :~$ ping habitat.habhub.org
[10:32] <Maxell> PING habhub.org (77.75.187.10) 56(84) bytes of data.
[10:32] <Maxell> 64 bytes from kraken.habhub.org (77.75.187.10): icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=33.5 ms
[10:33] <Maxell> so yeah
[10:33] <Maxell> whats up
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[10:33] <SpeedEvil> mightymik: I assume you're OK?
[10:34] <mightymik> yep ... a 5.7 isn't that much of a deal here, we're build for them. was a bit of a long one. a fun ride. this time
[10:35] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[10:36] <SpeedEvil> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/nc72282711#summary
[10:37] <mightymik> they're still grading it... was 6.1 then 5.7, now 6.0 ...
[10:37] <G8KNN> Maxell: I'm having a similar issue here with telemetry uploads
[10:37] <Maxell> G8KNN: ok
[10:38] <SpeedEvil> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/nc72282711#dyfi - crowdsourcing is fun
[10:39] <Maxell> G8KNN: good to know - so I can stop poking around in my system.
[10:39] <Martin_G4FUI> What's the point of 8-bit ASCII vs 7-bit for "vanilla" telemetry strings? I just seems like a waste of bandwidth to me ... ?
[10:40] <SpeedEvil> you mean for the 'rtty'-like thing used?
[10:40] <G8KNN> Maxell: These errors occasionally occur, but I've never worked out what causes them
[10:40] <jededu> Yes I want it to float
[10:40] <SpeedEvil> There is no good reason to use 8 bit - other than that's what the default settings are
[10:41] <jededu> 05Looks like it might
[10:41] <LeoBodnar> we can as well use BAUDOT
[10:41] <SpeedEvil> In practice, it doesn't matter at all.
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[10:41] <LeoBodnar> 5 bit per char
[10:41] <mikestir_M0MKS> isn't there one character that means baudot can't be used? the $ I think
[10:41] <SpeedEvil> The 7/8 bit difference doesn't make any difference, nor does parity or other settings to a large degree
[10:41] <Martin_G4FUI> For marginal signals, empirically anyway it seems that 7-bit ASCII is easier to decode than 8-bit
[10:41] <SpeedEvil> Simply because in general - we can hear them clearly to the horizon
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> For 1mW transmitters, it might be an issue
[10:43] <jededu> ping upu
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[10:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/EDUPIC1_20140824/index.php?ind=2
[10:44] <chrisg7ogx> tracking frequency for Edupic please gentlemen
[10:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> 434.650
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[10:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.646.960
[10:44] <mikestir_M0MKS> SpeedEvil: it increases the length of the frame and therefore the probability of a bit error, so in that sense the shorter the better
[10:45] <Upu> hi jed
[10:45] <jededu> uPU pm
[10:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> chrisg7ogx: I have 434.649.17 for 1500 center
[10:45] <SpeedEvil> mightymik: Oh - I agree
[10:45] <SpeedEvil> mikestir_M0MKS:
[10:47] <SpeedEvil> mikestir_M0MKS: In practice - lose one bit, and you've lost the char anyway - it improves only because strings are in principle shorter - so it would help when the single bit error rate of the channel is a little under 1 per string on average.
[10:47] <chrisg7ogx> great thanks all I'm watching the crystal maze and trying to get away😵
[10:48] <Laurenceb__> is Edupic flying ukhasnet?
[10:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Don't think so
[10:48] <SpeedEvil> mikestir_M0MKS: 0th step would be to fix fldigis modem - it isn't great, and often loses several chars on a bit error.
[10:49] <mikestir_M0MKS> but without fec a lost char is a lost frame anyway
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[10:49] <SpeedEvil> mikestir_M0MKS: Then add some FEC at the end of the string
[10:49] <Martin_G4FUI> Again empirically, EDUPIC due to its low ascent rate and south-of-eastersly drift has skimmed along my radio horizon for quite a while and I received a LOT of partials before I finally got green, I think with a shorther frame I probably would have achieved green strings earlier (but we will never know of course!) ...
[10:50] <SpeedEvil> But first before FEC becomes useful, you need something other than fldigis modem, as it becomes practically useless if a single hit on a stop-bit can kill a whole char or more
[10:51] <SpeedEvil> There is no pressing reason not to use 'rs232' encoding - you just have to specify that it's maximal rate chars during a string, and then you can do lots better. Of course, there are many other options.
[10:52] <SpeedEvil> For example, you could reduce strings down to 3 chars or so, and each has a tiny amount of information about the payload
[10:52] <mikestir_M0MKS> something like getting rid of the rs232 framing and adding data whitening, but then you're just heading towards the existing fec modes like olivia and contestia by that point
[10:52] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[10:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/ seems to have stoped updating, quite a while ago
[10:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> allright here
[10:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> Last time stamp 11:38
[10:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> maybe something to do with the DNS problems others are getting ?
[10:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> I have the same on SNUS
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh yes just realised mine hasn't updated either! Just after I took last GE snapshot..
[10:55] <db_g6gzh> seems to have stopped here too saying last received 15m ago
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> prediction is changing so data coming down OK
[10:56] <Maxell> already signals
[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> dl-fldigi says its uploading ok
[10:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, mine too
[10:56] <Upu> I'm not decoding any more
[10:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Signal has dropped substantially
[10:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> logtail looks omionous
[10:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> ominous
[10:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Signal coming back a little
[10:58] <Maxell> Red :( $$EDUPIC1,484,10:57:12,5217.83167,-38.3685,09,8138.3,8,-124.7µ,1.4*6FA1
[10:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> Slow drift up
[10:58] <Maxell> would be nice dx though
[10:58] <Upu> timing gone tits up ?
[10:59] <Maxell> Green $$EDUPIC1,486,10:57:45,5217.64468,-37.6665,08,8179.3,0,-124.5,1.4*7623
[10:59] <Maxell> grmbl no degree calculator
[10:59] <Maxell> wrong flight selected?
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[11:00] <Maxell> not uploading warning: hbtUT Caught runtime_error: EZ::cURLError: curl_easy_perform: Couldn't resolve host name
[11:00] <Maxell> shit...
[11:00] <Maxell> helpppp
[11:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> went wrong after senttence 414
[11:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> $$$$EDUPIC1,413,10:38:20,5223.76140,-100.398,10,6703.2,0,1.25,1.4*5593
[11:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> $$$$EDUPIC1,414,10:38:36,5223.70174,-100.124,10,6720.6,0,1.5,1.4*A574
[11:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> $$$$EDUPIC1,415,10:38:51,5223.64494,-59.8639,10,6736.8,0,2,1.4*152F
[11:01] <db_g6gzh> zero padding error in longitude by the look of it
[11:02] <Maxell> doh!
[11:03] <db_g6gzh> should be -0059.8639 in ^^
[11:03] <db_g6gzh> three zeros
[11:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> How come it's not reporting the other info and giving the wrong pos?
[11:05] <db_g6gzh> it's not parsing at all at the moment according to logtail
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[11:06] <db_g6gzh> it wasn't really correct in the earlier lines but seems to have passed the parser anyway
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[11:08] <Upu> I'm getting greens again
[11:08] <Maxell> G8KNN: still not working for you?
[11:08] <Maxell> Because it isn't here :(
[11:09] <Maxell> Couldn't resolve host name...
[11:09] <Maxell> Yeah right...
[11:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Great sigs here, greens all the way now. Tracker still not updating of course.
[11:10] <Maxell> Steve_G0TDJ: not even uploading here...
[11:10] <Maxell> Greens too all the time
[11:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> YOu must have a local internet problem
[11:12] <db_g6gzh> if you're having DNS problems you could maybe try a literal address in the URL as a temporary workaround: habhub.org has address 77.75.187.10
[11:12] <Upu> oops
[11:12] <Maxell> lol Upu fixed
[11:12] <Upu> lol sorry
[11:12] <Upu> tried to fixed it
[11:12] <Upu> that can't be right
[11:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[11:12] <Upu> shit date format :P
[11:12] <Maxell> db_g6gzh: well 64 bytes from kraken.habhub.org (77.75.187.10): icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=33.5 ms
[11:13] <daveake> Edupic coming to me now :.
[11:13] <db_g6gzh> Maxell: oh, so not DNS then ...
[11:13] <Maxell> db_g6gzh: EZ::HTTPResponse: HTTP 404 (http://77.75.187.10/_uuids?count=100
[11:13] <Maxell> doesnt work :P
[11:14] <db_g6gzh> oh well ... 8-(
[11:14] <Maxell> :P
[11:14] <Maxell> Steve_G0TDJ: nope G8KNN also has it
[11:14] <Maxell> and the dns resolved correctly
[11:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
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[11:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL Temperature: -117.5 °C
[11:15] <db_g6gzh> I'm not seeing a problem here but I'm IPv6 which claims to be tiamat.habhub.org
[11:15] <Upu> just refresh nothing to see here...
[11:16] <daveake> "fixed" huh? :p
[11:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Is there a way to correct the Lon/Lat and view it on google maps externally? I'm interested to see where it is now.
[11:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Did you see that 'NoGPS Lock'?
[11:17] <navrac_work> is it just me or has edupic really dropped in signal strength?
[11:17] <Upu> meh
[11:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> navrac_work: Pretty good signal here
[11:17] <lz1dev> !ping edupic1
[11:17] <number10> seems the same to me navrac_work
[11:17] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Last contact with 03EDUPIC1 was 033 minutes ago
[11:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh! It updated!
[11:17] <lz1dev> upu is uploading manually
[11:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ah! Well done Upu
[11:17] <navrac_work> i went for a coffee and cam back aqnd signal strength had dropped 12db
[11:18] <lz1dev> the longitude is wrong
[11:18] <lz1dev> it doesnt print the degree part, when it's 0
[11:19] <navrac_work> ok false alarm. Mast bearing loose and the yagi was off by 25 degrees
[11:19] <daveake> ha
[11:19] <Upu> lol navrac_work
[11:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm guessng this one isn't being recovered?
[11:20] <Maxell> I hope not :P
[11:21] <G8KNN> Maxell: I'm still getting the odd cURL error, but not too often
[11:22] <Maxell> G8KNN: as in, you are uploading now?
[11:22] <Maxell> I could reset dsl modem sec
[11:22] <Maxell> just so I tried that...
[11:22] <G8KNN> Yes, most are 'uploading' (ie no error)
[11:26] <Upu> ok I need to go out
[11:26] <Upu> there is no one about who can hot fix
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[11:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> THanks for doing corrections so far Upu
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[11:27] <Upu> lol
[11:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> Quick question, if the sentances are't parsed, are they not stored on Habitat?
[11:28] <Upu> its either got stuck to a plane
[11:28] <Upu> or has a serious bug
[11:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's one slow plane!
[11:28] <Upu> $$$$EDUPIC1,592,11:26:20,5207.59148,0.79859,08,10440.4,0,-109.25,1.4*FE8F
[11:28] <Upu> $$$$EDUPIC1,593,11:26:36,5207.48519,1.16538,08,10457.0,0,-109.25,1.3*8231
[11:28] <Upu> $$$$EDUPIC1,594,11:26:52,5207.38160,1.53403,08,10475.4,0,-109.5,1.3*F872
[11:28] <Upu> $$$$EDUPIC1,595,11:27:08,5207.27745,1.90356,08,10491.9,0,-109.75,1.3*40C7
[11:28] <Upu> 0.79859 -> 1.90356 in < 60s
[11:28] <Maxell> G8KNN: Steve_G0TDJ: db_g6gzh: fixed. Resetting modem solved it.
[11:29] <Maxell> Likely to be dns/resolver problems @ ISP
[11:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> Glad you sorted it
[11:29] <Maxell> I also saw that the modem reset itself 9 hours ago so that might be related.
[11:29] <db_g6gzh> it's NMEA format, so minutes
[11:29] <Maxell> Turning it off and on again solded it ONCE AGAIN!!! :)
[11:29] <G8KNN> Maxell: thanks. Time for a reset :)
[11:29] <Maxell> :P
[11:32] <Maxell> And what if the bearing/distance calculations stay empty? Autoconfigure is selected.
[11:33] <navrac_work> the data is junk so it cant convert it
[11:33] <Maxell> Ah.
[11:33] <Maxell> Oki.
[11:34] <navrac_work> 5205.35866,9.13544 doesnt sound too useable
[11:34] <Maxell> hah, how that happend?
[11:34] <Maxell> By design?
[11:34] <qyx_> bugged by design
[11:34] <db_g6gzh> it's NMEA format, but missing four zeros before the 9
[11:35] <qyx_> width prefixes forgotten in format string??
[11:35] <qyx_> -?
[11:36] <db_g6gzh> it's apparently in BASIC but I guess something like that
[11:37] <Maxell> Basic stamp?
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> A blast from the past.
[11:37] <db_g6gzh> some kind of PIC I believe
[11:38] <Martin_G4FUI> PICAXE, I think ...
[11:38] <db_g6gzh> I'm just going by what the payload doc says
[11:39] <MaXimaN> Oh, didn't realise there was a flight up
[11:40] <db_g6gzh> with a bit of luck it will parse again at 1 degree east
[11:40] <MaXimaN> Receiving
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[11:41] <MaXimaN> Super-clear here
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[11:48] <mfa298> maybe for the conference next year we should book a "test your payload" slot and get everyone outside walking over the meridian with their payloads
[11:48] <MaXimaN> Heheh
[11:49] <MaXimaN> Or, you know, they could use simulated GPS to test their code...
[11:49] Action: MaXimaN is over-optimistic
[11:51] <lz1dev> !flight EDUPIC1
[11:51] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Flight 10(8e48): 03EDUPIC1 Flightmode Test 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 09:00 from 03West Midlands, UK 10(52.53878,-1.87815)
[11:51] <number10> I thought it was nearly overhead as signal dropped
[11:51] <lz1dev> !window EDUPIC1
[11:51] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Flight window for 03EDUPIC1 Flightmode Test 10(8e48) is from 03Yesterday at 23:00 to 03Today at 22:59
[11:52] <lz1dev> this is not a floater
[11:52] <lz1dev> i guess
[11:52] <daveake> it is a floater
[11:52] <lz1dev> oh god
[11:52] <daveake> intended anyway
[11:52] <lz1dev> well
[11:52] <lz1dev> it should work past -1 +1 degree
[11:52] <lz1dev> and between 10-59 minute :)
[11:54] <MaXimaN> Starting to fade heavily here now
[11:58] <Maxell> MaXimaN: perfect signal here.
[11:58] <MaXimaN> I'm getting good s/n, just fading out heavily here and there
[11:58] <G0HDI> Just switched on ... EDUPIC1 all greens but not showing on spacenear.us receivers. Any known reason for that guys?
[11:59] <MaXimaN> Maxell: I have yet to move the FCDP+ close to the antenna
[11:59] <MaXimaN> And then the next job will be to move the antenna to the roof :)
[11:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> G0HDI: The telemetry has an error so it's not parseing
[11:59] <Maxell> G0HDI: not padding with zeroes
[11:59] <G0HDI> Oh ok thanks
[12:00] <db_g6gzh> G0HDI: with a bit of luck it will parse again at 1 degree east
[12:00] <MaXimaN> daveake: Is this a foil envelope or latex?
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[12:01] <DL7AD> !hysplit B-64
[12:01] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/140824_168667_B64.gif
[12:01] <daveake> I assume it's a 100g Pawan latex
[12:01] <db_g6gzh> it's not Dave's flight. I'd guess a small latex
[12:01] <daveake> Not going to be a foil with that altitude
[12:02] <daveake> Yes not mine :)
[12:02] <daveake> There's no notam so not likely to be anything larger
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[12:03] <MaXimaN> Ahh okay :)
[12:03] <db_g6gzh> ISTR he's flown a few of the 100g
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[12:17] <db_g6gzh> and it's parsing again ...
[12:18] <lz1dev> just needs to stay away from the prime meridian and the equator
[12:19] <MaXimaN> -103.5C brrrrr
[12:19] <db_g6gzh> yeah, at least it zero pads the minutes
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[12:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03mbolus_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=mbolus_chase
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[13:25] <Maxell> !ping EDUHAB1
[13:25] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: No contact from 03EDUHAB1
[13:26] <Maxell> !ping EDUPIC1
[13:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Last contact with 03EDUPIC1 was 032 minutes ago
[13:26] <Maxell> well there is your problem -doh-
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[13:27] <mauhen> afternoon all, what modulation is edupic1 using?
[13:29] <lz1dev> !payloads EDUPIC1
[13:29] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Payload 03EDUPIC1 10(8e48) - 03434.325 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/430Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[13:29] <mauhen> ta
[13:29] <chrisstubbs> its on 434.650mhz
[13:29] <chrisstubbs> but very cool lz1dev
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[13:46] <Maxell> eyup
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[13:50] <Maxell> Still going strong
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[13:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MAX - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=MAX
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[14:06] <testtest> hi on which frequency does EDUPIC1 send?
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[14:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> 434.650
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[14:09] <jarod> 434.750 whats that?
[14:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> No idea
[14:11] <jarod> for EDUPIC ... fldigi labmode browser is enough?
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[14:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> You need the HAB version of DLFLDIGI
[14:12] <jarod> yes i have
[14:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> That should be fine
[14:12] <jarod> ah getting cords now
[14:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool
[14:13] <jarod> the dongle needs to warm up first, or the transmitter is drifting :)
[14:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> Tx has been stable for over 1 hr
[14:13] <jarod> ok
[14:14] <chrisstubbs> is edupic a foil or latex?
[14:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> Unsure
[14:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Sorry, not being terse, I'm boot-loading 50x ATMEGA328s for the minDUINO Kits. Taking forever!
[14:15] <jarod> damn, signal fading :)
[14:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI_CE1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=PI_CE1
[14:16] <jarod> gonna be hard for a green, which direction is it going?
[14:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> SE
[14:16] <Maxell> jarod: weird, no fades here.
[14:17] <jarod> we need the airspy and loose 10-20db of that noise floor :)
[14:18] <Maxell> Yes. More Airspy.
[14:18] <jarod> i hear it, but cant decode.... a signal next to it
[14:18] <Maxell> Hmm correct mode?
[14:19] <Maxell> http://i.sigio.nl/381ed45aec3435fbe564eac689b9f256.png
[14:19] <Maxell> RTTY 50/430Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[14:20] <jarod> yeah, signal just too weak :)
[14:21] <jarod> $$$$EDUPIC1,216,14:13;405144941f3f&FVf&VvL !21r6VbY?8>76‚±44.873,10,4566.9,0,10.75,1.4*A7C
[14:21] <Maxell> No way...
[14:21] <Maxell> You are in the 5° circkle.
[14:21] <Maxell> Circle. It should work flawlessly.
[14:22] <jarod> ok got dvb-t antenna on now
[14:22] <PE2G> Maxell: You have 430 shift?
[14:22] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Jarod, have you lowered the shift to 400?
[14:22] <Maxell> PE2G: no 400
[14:22] <PE2G> Maxell: <ok
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[14:22] <Maxell> yeah 400 Hz shift
[14:22] <jarod> i was told using the browser was ok?
[14:23] <Maxell> yes but transmitter drift
[14:23] <Maxell> s
[14:23] <Maxell> I just copy pasted the flight dock
[14:23] <Maxell> doc
[14:23] <jarod> DVB-T antenna now
[14:23] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> When cooling down, it can drift or lower
[14:23] <jarod> uploaded, but not green? :/
[14:25] <jarod> arg, no greens, lol
[14:25] <jarod> i upload, but all red ??
[14:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh dear...
[14:26] <Maxell> No GPS Lock
[14:26] <Maxell> Last packet $$EDUPIC1,1257,14:24:32,5144.93519,146.188,11,25089.9,0,13.75,1.5*F504
[14:26] <jarod> No GPS Lock
[14:26] <jarod> And why does dlfigli move the scroll bar up ????
[14:26] <jarod> it keeps moving the scroll bar up on the received info
[14:26] <jarod> why is that?
[14:27] <jarod> and why cant i drag the problem to a larger height?
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[14:28] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> The latest info scrolls de older info
[14:28] <jarod> ?
[14:28] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> My english is not so good
[14:29] <Maxell> jarod: old information is being disregarded.
[14:29] <jarod> then why does the scroll selector move up and now stay at the bottom?
[14:29] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Because it received newer information
[14:29] <Maxell> Check your cursor, it might still be at the bottom.
[14:30] <jarod> Maxell yes it is, but i need to drag down to it to see it, annoying?
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[14:30] <jarod> and how do i change the resolution of the program?
[14:30] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Allthough mine does not automaticaly move to the bottom when moveing higher
[14:31] <Maxell> jarod: maximaze it
[14:31] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Drag the corner
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[14:31] <Maxell> jarod: just like I did - http://i.sigio.nl/381ed45aec3435fbe564eac689b9f256.png
[14:31] <jarod> it stays at fixed height
[14:31] Nick change: [pip] -> pe1pip
[14:31] <Maxell> jarod: ah, windows.
[14:31] <jarod> yes...
[14:31] <Maxell> You can't change the height there.
[14:31] <jarod> lol?
[14:31] <Maxell> hoi PE2G
[14:32] <Maxell> uh PE2G
[14:32] <Maxell> pe1pip:
[14:32] <Maxell> derp
[14:32] <pe1pip> hi all
[14:32] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> The height is indeed locked in HAB modus
[14:32] <jarod> lol ok
[14:32] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Hi pip
[14:32] <jarod> guess will have someone reserve engineer that :P
[14:32] <Maxell> jarod: nope
[14:32] <Maxell> jarod: while chasing only latest information is important
[14:33] <jarod> it also starts too wide
[14:33] <jarod> so yes, i will have it REd
[14:33] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Only in HAB modus it is locked, so that should be a configuration setting I guess
[14:33] <Maxell> imagine you sitting in a chase car with laptop and you want a minimalistic interface
[14:34] <Maxell> jarod: that does not happen with my linux OR windows install
[14:34] <Maxell> So yeah. R.I.P. EDUPIC1.
[14:34] <Maxell> lrn2flightmode
[14:34] <Maxell> !ping EDUPIC1
[14:34] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Last contact with 03EDUPIC1 was 0310 minutes ago
[14:34] <jarod> now i get perfect decodes :O
[14:34] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> GPS is dead... Signal is weakening a bit and shift is lowering to 390
[14:35] <PE2G> Was GPS lock lost earlier in the flight too? (I haven't paid attention)
[14:35] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> (I don't no)
[14:35] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> know
[14:35] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> :)
[14:35] <Maxell> PE2G: no, not that I am aware of
[14:35] <jarod> het pe1pip neighbour :)
[14:35] <jarod> *hey
[14:36] <pe1pip> hoi hoi
[14:36] <Maxell> PE2G: my backlog http://paste.sigio.nl/prvngwxrt
[14:37] <pe1pip> it's a shame... I already had like 10 good decodes... antenna is shielded towards the west
[14:37] <Maxell> Now I have to keep an eye on #highaltitude, #zendamateur and #ham
[14:37] <PE2G> Maxell: tnx
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[14:38] <Maxell> PE2G: so nothing happend between 13:29 and 14:24.
[14:38] <PE2G> Yeah I see
[14:39] <jarod> ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWNDWCJ_-zM - Amsterdam - Verkeersbeeld uit 1964 )
[14:39] <jarod> :)
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[14:41] <pe1pip> jarod: cosy
[14:41] <F1VJQ> so what's happened with EDUHAB updates on SNUs?
[14:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's back!
[14:41] <pe1pip> life!
[14:41] <jarod> yap
[14:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah lock back again
[14:42] <jarod> just pressed unmute and boom
[14:42] <jarod> so its locked to my system? :P
[14:42] <F1VJQ> EDUPIC! I meant
[14:43] <jarod> Maxell why no greens?
[14:43] <jarod> ah got my first!
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[14:45] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/434.650mhz-2014-08-24-edupic1.jpg o/
[14:45] <pe1pip> and gone
[14:45] <jarod> at least it came back to provide me some greens :O
[14:46] <jarod> pe1pip aircraft fly right over your house? :O
[14:47] <pe1pip> not ATM, but yes, that happens
[14:47] <pe1pip> more often than I like
[14:47] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Jarod, je shift kan nog wel iets lager
[14:47] <pe1pip> at about 600m
[14:48] <pe1pip> woo, freq drift
[14:48] <PE1CME> Burst?
[14:48] <pd7r_> something happened
[14:48] <jarod> you live really close to a huge police on air network ;)
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[14:49] <pe1pip> I live really close to a buch of 'GVB' repeates
[14:49] <G0HDI> Says no gps lock
[14:49] <Maxell> PE1CME: pe1pip: nothing here
[14:49] <Maxell> last good packet $$EDUPIC1,1272,14:44:14,5144.25603,145.885,11,25777.0,0,16,1.5*9634
[14:49] <jarod> and p2000 and much more :-)
[14:49] <jarod> on the four 20+ flats near you :)
[14:49] <pe1pip> the GVB stuff is causing major intermod all over 70cm...
[14:50] <Maxell> jarod: right click RTTY (lower left), set shift to 400.
[14:50] <jarod> why? its still decoding
[14:50] <Maxell> "custom carrier shift"
[14:50] <PE2G> I think it's descending, regarding the freq drift
[14:50] <testtest> That is nice for the first time I hear an hab balloon
[14:51] <Maxell> jarod: it's kinda digitall cliff, it wont decode at some point at 430 and will at 400
[14:51] <PE1CME> PE@G: so do i
[14:51] <jarod> ah yes, cleaner decode
[14:51] <PE1CME> PE2G: so do i
[14:51] <jarod> default was 450 from the browser!
[14:51] <Maxell> drifting up right?
[14:51] <PE2G> yeah
[14:51] <Maxell> jarod: yes but temprature
[14:51] <pd7r_> yes
[14:52] <jarod> ok
[14:52] <Maxell> Flight dock said 430 so yeah
[14:52] <Maxell> !ping EDUPIC1
[14:52] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Last contact with 03EDUPIC1 was 038 minutes ago
[14:52] <jarod> browser did 450, so yeah
[14:52] <Maxell> now we wait...
[14:52] <Maxell> uh, wrong flight doc?
[14:53] <jarod> no idea, did load and just saw it at 450
[14:53] <PE2G> PE1CME: your rotor is OK again?
[14:53] <Maxell> DL client > refresh flight doc
[14:53] <pe1pip> Maxell: about 300 Hz already
[14:53] <jarod> did
[14:53] <Maxell> pe1pip: not here
[14:53] <jarod> now its 430...
[14:53] <jarod> you updated it?
[14:53] <PE1CME> PE2G: yes,new one
[14:54] <PE2G> PE1CME: :)
[14:54] <Maxell> pe1pip: http://i.sigio.nl/e8dc96d56ac280b88e04d9d3488c45b3.png
[14:54] <Maxell> jarod: no you updated it :P
[14:55] <PE1CME> PE2G: QRV on 2M?
[14:55] <pe1pip> it does decode a lot better with 400 Hz shift... but the flight doc I downloaded just now set it to 430
[14:55] <jarod> Mack_: http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/434.650mhz-2014-08-24-edupic1-sdrsharp.jpg
[14:56] <pe1pip> life!
[14:56] <MaXimaN> I could be wrong, but I think it might not have GPS lock...
[14:56] <jarod> Maxell: no i set it at 400... reload from browser and it was 430
[14:56] <Maxell> Incoming $$EDUPIC1,1273,14:55:02,5144.36262,146.69,11,19526.2,0,-120.75,1.4*2D87
[14:56] <pe1pip> green :)
[14:56] <Maxell> jarod: and set it 400 again :P
[14:56] <MaXimaN> Oh it's back
[14:56] <PE2G> PE1CME: No I'm afraid not. I only have the FT-790 atm
[14:57] <Maxell> Ok, coming down! 19110 km
[14:57] <jarod> i meant: Maxell: http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/434.650mhz-2014-08-24-edupic1-sdrsharp.jpg (not Mack_)
[14:57] <pe1pip> signal lost :(
[14:57] <PE1CME> PE2G:oké
[14:57] <Maxell> jarod: very weak
[14:57] <G0HDI> You were right No GPS lock, but it's now ok again
[14:57] <Maxell> how so
[14:57] <MaXimaN> $$$$EDUPIC1,1277,14:56:07,5144.37400,146.942,11,18732.2,0,-116.75,1.3*91D
[14:57] <jarod> Maxell yap, not optimal with antennas here
[14:57] <Maxell> ok
[14:57] <pe1pip> that explains the huge dopplershift
[14:57] <Maxell> !ping EDUPIC1
[14:58] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Last contact with 03EDUPIC1 was 032 minutes ago
[14:58] <jarod> but, $$$$EDUPIC1,1280,14:56:56,5144.26486,147.184,11,18139.1,0,-114,1.3*19CB green\o/
[14:58] <PE1CME> It's decending
[14:58] <PE2G> Nice slow descent -12 m/s at 18 km
[14:58] <Maxell> Have a great swim EDUPIC1
[14:59] <MaXimaN> Burial at sea
[14:59] <jarod> going in fast?
[14:59] <pe1pip> 17km to go till it's feet get wet
[14:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> Amazing, I can hear EDUPIC1 on my scanner, indoors on a telescopic whip
[14:59] <MaXimaN> Come on EDUPIC1 - you can't still make it to Bruges!
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[15:00] <Maxell> MaXimaN: nope swimming with the fishes. :P
[15:01] <Maxell> Also shift increased again.
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[15:01] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/434.650mhz-2014-08-24-edupic1-greens.jpg :)
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[15:01] <Maxell> jarod: hah!
[15:01] <Maxell> Nice
[15:02] <jarod> now reds again, hehe
[15:02] <MaXimaN> jarod: Awesome!
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[15:02] <Maxell> jarod: one red here
[15:02] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/2012/konig-ant-uhf70-kn.jpg using this now....
[15:03] <Maxell> On rotor?
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[15:03] <jarod> nop :P
[15:03] <jarod> but coincidently that direction
[15:03] <jarod> now gonna try http://x264.nl/discone.jpg again
[15:03] <Maxell> jarod: vertical pol?
[15:03] <jarod> the dvb-t is H, but picks up better than the discone
[15:04] <Maxell> ahhhg why u no vertical pol ?
[15:04] <jarod> huge freq drift when changing antenna.... the pig tail = heat sink ;)
[15:04] <PE1CME> jarod: dvb-t is also vertical
[15:05] <jarod> yeah, i have used that antenna for 35cm "amateurs" , H
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[15:05] <Maxell> Why do they go horizontal?
[15:05] <jarod> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dT_u5WBevA - 859.80MHz Cleanfeed circuit from BBC NEWS Television Center in London-2012-03-25 0303UTC
[15:06] <jarod> Here i moved it vertial, when it was still on my balcony... it's on the roof now
[15:06] <jarod> i have lost edupic1
[15:06] <jarod> back with dvb-t antenna
[15:06] <MaXimaN> Crazy doppler
[15:06] <MaXimaN> It's shifted right down
[15:07] <pd7r_> don't think that was doppler
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[15:07] <pd7r_> maybe some antenna issue
[15:08] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/dl-fldigi-hab-runtime-error.jpg
[15:08] <jarod> ?
[15:08] <jededu> Oh it burst
[15:08] <jarod> no connection?
[15:08] <jarod> ya already noticed that when dropping fromt he discone :/
[15:09] <jarod> Maxell last greens, alt?
[15:10] <jarod> 9km now
[15:10] <jededu> 05At least flightmode worked :)
[15:11] <PE1CME> Elevation 0.4 here
[15:11] <MaXimaN> I haven't had a green for 10 minutes
[15:11] <Maxell> Greens still going strong. 160.9km, 2.5 degree
[15:11] <tweetBot> @g8nwc: edupic1 on its way down. #hab #ukhas
[15:11] <jededu> 05Might launch another later
[15:12] <jarod> think my last: http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/434.650mhz-2014-08-24-edupic1-09km.jpg
[15:12] <lz1dev> jededu: you should fix the padding for your coordinates
[15:12] <PE1CME> 300km and 0.3 degrees and still decoding
[15:13] <jarod> good setup
[15:13] <pd7r_> wow, 0.3 degrees!
[15:13] <jarod> when i got an airspy... ill make a 435mhz dipole :)
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[15:14] <PE1CME> very weak now, decoding stopped
[15:14] <jarod> $$$$EDUPIC1,1339,15:12:46,5139.44381,204.585,11,7413.4,0,-98.75(1.1*ED55
[15:14] <jededu> lzldev how do you mean
[15:14] <jarod> 7413 = alt?
[15:14] <pe1pip> yes
[15:14] <jarod> yap, guess so, cool
[15:14] <jarod> 7km green again
[15:15] <Maxell> Can't wait for the greens that are going to come in at 0.0 degrees
[15:15] <jededu> Its not -100 c
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[15:15] <lz1dev> jededu: you have a bug, when longitude is between -1 and 1
[15:15] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/434.650mhz-2014-08-24-edupic1-06km.jpg :O
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[15:16] <PE1CME> no greens for me anymore
[15:16] <Maxell> jarod: you should also be able to do 0.0 degrees
[15:16] <Maxell> nothing inbetween the horizon for you
[15:16] <jarod> ya, signal good now, heh
[15:16] <PE2G> Still greens here at -0.3 deg 320 km
[15:16] <jededu> Ah ok ill check it
[15:16] <pe1pip> I can still hear the rtty, but it's illegible to dl-fldigi
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[15:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:18] <jarod> yup its fading now
[15:18] <jarod> $$$$EDQPIC1,1353,15:16:,5038.45807,208.171,11,54514,0,111,,1*BB79
[15:18] <jarod> $$$EDUC,13515:9:47,5F29788,208.39,11,521.4,0-0³²1.")2
[15:18] <PE2G> I lost EDUPIC at -0.4 deg
[15:18] <PE1CME> i lost it on 0.2 deg
[15:19] <jarod> Maxell its gone :/
[15:19] <jarod> you are our last hope
[15:19] <Maxell> whee
[15:19] <jarod> oh one more decode, its at 4500m now?
[15:19] <Maxell> and pd3t, pb0ner, dutchmillbt pd4kdz
[15:19] <Maxell> etc
[15:20] <jarod> oh its back ;P
[15:20] <jarod> air layers are weird :)
[15:20] <Maxell> and also in Naaldwijk PE2BZ
[15:20] <MaXimaN> I can hear it, but too noisy to decode
[15:20] <jarod> alt 4128m now
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[15:21] <PE1CME> Who is the lucky one to chase EDUPIC_1?
[15:21] <jarod> Maxell he lives closed
[15:21] <MaXimaN> Coastguard
[15:21] <jarod> huehuehue
[15:21] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Have a nice swim :)
[15:21] <PE1CME> :)
[15:21] <jarod> http://www.flightradar24.com/BEL7AH/4277949 we can ask him? :)
[15:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/EDUPIC1_20140824/EDUHAB1_201408241621.jpg
[15:22] <pe1pip> nice
[15:22] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Nice plot Geoff
[15:23] <Maxell> 0.6 degrees now
[15:23] <jarod> BEELINE 7 Alpha Hotel, please pick up EDUPIC1 AT long,lat,alt
[15:23] <pe1pip> it's gone for me
[15:23] <jarod> same here
[15:23] <Maxell> $$EDUPIC1,1375,15:22:26,5137.94995,211.859,12,2643.4,0,-126,1.3*6134 0.3 degrees
[15:23] <Maxell> ah a bit red
[15:24] <jarod> where do you guys read those degrees?
[15:24] <MaXimaN> dl-fldigi
[15:24] <jarod> elevation?
[15:24] <MaXimaN> yep
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[15:24] <MaXimaN> Gone for me now
[15:24] <Maxell> Too weak... $$$$EDUPIC1,13:0,15:23:$6-5
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[15:25] <pe1pip> last frame that almost made it was 1358
[15:25] <PE1CME> jarod:on top of the screen
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[15:25] <Maxell> Another too weak... $$EDUPIC9,1382,15:24:1n,5-3-.82988
[15:25] <jarod> http://www.flightradar24.com/BEL7AH/4277949 deep dive, able to make it? :)
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[15:26] <pe1pip> no f16 on call?
[15:26] <G0HDI> Hopefully recovered by Cap'n Jack Sparrow
[15:26] <jarod> hehehe
[15:26] <jarod> f16: deploy.... edupic1 in trouble
[15:27] <pe1pip> anyway, it's been fun
[15:27] <Maxell> yep
[15:27] <MaXimaN> Still at least it warmed up to 4C after being chilled to... -137C
[15:27] <Maxell> 0.3 degrees above horizon
[15:27] <jarod> yup, seems i woke up just in time :)
[15:27] Action: Maxell happy camper
[15:27] <Maxell> NEXT!
[15:27] <Ron_G8FJG> lost @ 1131 mtrs
[15:28] <MaXimaN> Last green for me was 138.4km, 6.0 elev, 15964 alt
[15:28] <jarod> 1131m or 1131 meters
[15:28] Action: MaXimaN kicks his coax
[15:28] <jarod> lawl
[15:28] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/434.650mhz-2014-08-24-edupic1-06km.jpg my last green
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[15:28] <lz1dev> !whereis edupic1
[15:28] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03EDUPIC1 is near 03North Sea 10(51.629214,2.2205) at 03905 meters
[15:28] <pe1pip> it was about 210km from here
[15:29] <lz1dev> RIP
[15:29] <Maxell> lz1dev: nice north sea
[15:29] <Ron_G8FJG> elevation -0.1 altitude 1131mtr
[15:29] <Maxell> !ping EDUPIC1
[15:29] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Last contact with 03EDUPIC1 was 033 minutes ago
[15:29] <Maxell> We had fun EDUPIC1
[15:30] <Maxell> MaXimaN: what kind of coax do you have? I have about 25 meters of Aircell 7, should be around 3.5 dB of loss
[15:30] <Maxell> (on 435 MHz)
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[15:30] <MaXimaN> About 9 meters of RG54
[15:30] <lz1dev> jededu: how did you format your latitude and longitude for EDUPIC1 ?
[15:30] <Maxell> MaXimaN: mast mount preamp might be an option for me
[15:30] <MaXimaN> Antenna in the loft too
[15:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is it not the NMEA format ?
[15:30] <jarod> no an airspy will be an option :)
[15:31] <jarod> we will gain 10-20dB :)
[15:31] <Maxell> jarod: airspy not going to beat me Yaesu FT-897d
[15:31] <jarod> + special narrow mode (DCT)
[15:31] <jarod> i have already tested Decimation.....
[15:32] <jarod> i think we're going to be in for a supprise
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[15:34] <jarod> when you make the bandwidth very small, like a funcubepro, you can gain more signal with proper decimation
[15:35] <jarod> http://airspy.com/downloads/decimation.png
[15:36] <jededu> lzldev i send it as DDDD,MMMM
[15:37] <lz1dev> you mean DDMM,MMMM ?
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[15:37] <lz1dev> but im more interested in the actual code
[15:37] <jarod> Maxell: u begrijp? :P
[15:39] <jededu> Yes thats what i meant
[15:39] <lz1dev> jededu: do you have the code up somewhere?
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[15:41] <lz1dev> jarod: any idea when airspy is going to be released?
[15:41] <jarod> http://blog.iteadstudio.com/airspy-is-coming/
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[15:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://airspy.com/
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[15:44] <jededu> lzldev no its not up yet there is no formatting its straight from the GPS
[15:44] <lz1dev> do you do any coversion or casting?
[15:44] <jededu> nope
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[15:45] <lz1dev> are you using the GGA sentance?
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[15:46] <jededu> The only thing I do is -- if arg$(5) = "W" THEN lon = lon*-1----
[15:47] <jededu> Yes GGA
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[15:47] <lz1dev> i may be mistaken, but I thought GGA should return padded coordinates
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[15:50] <lz1dev> jededu: i'd love to take a look at the code, to get a more clear picture about the bug
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[15:50] <jededu> mmm ill look into it
[15:51] <jededu> Ok ill get it up and post it in a bit what did it actually do i was shopping
[15:51] <lz1dev> that would be great, thanks :)
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[16:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Annotated KMZ of EDUPIC1 http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/EDUPIC1_20140824/index.php?ind=9
[16:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> So will B-66 show up in the UK tomorrow evening as per the predictions ???
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> Geoff-G8DHE: the predictions are basically crap
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> They're great for maybe a couple of days, then get progressively more terrible
[16:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> They were OK for B-64 were they not ?
[16:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> !ppredict B-64
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> Even if you look only at the prediction paths pointing approximately at the UK, they vary from 'already overhead' to a week out
[16:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Which ones are you looking at then ?
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> Select b66
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> Now click 'hysplit'
[16:31] <SpeedEvil> The various paths are the possible paths with very small alterations in the input conditions.
[16:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hysplit ones were more than adequate for B-64
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> They really weren't.
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> They said 'it goes somewhere around the pole, and then who knows'
[16:33] <SpeedEvil> The most recent prediction was very accurate - but that was because it was a couple of days out - from iceland to the UK
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> Long range weather forecasting is an inaccurate science - and in most cases where the trajectory is spread over a wide possible area - that also means the trajectory is also inaccurate going forward past that area
[16:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> There no longer in the cache, so we will have to differ!
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> The trajectory - once it entered the west side of canada - showed it coming out of the pole everywhere from greenland to eastern russia
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> I don't think I saved any though
[16:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> No just checked myself
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> The current split of b63 is admittedly worse
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[16:45] <lz1dev> SpeedEvil, Geoff-G8DHE http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_log.txt
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[16:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tks saved B-66 now for B-64
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[16:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yea http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/134351_B64.kmz
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[16:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> The red predictions show just pass the Pole on the correct side and down the edge of Greenland prior to reaching Iceland
[16:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anyway I'm listening out for B-66 coming in frm the West during tomorrow ;-)
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[16:55] <SpeedEvil> Sure - it's worth listening.
[16:55] <SpeedEvil> And I'd be delighted to be pessimistic
[16:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm an optimist unless the pessemism has got the better of me :/
[16:59] <db_g6gzh> lz1dev: jededu: if you're looking at the code I think it was also losing a leading zero on the checksum
[17:01] <lz1dev> i noticed that too
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[17:04] <db_g6gzh> ah, good
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[17:05] <jededu> Yes it drops part of the checksum randomly im looking at that
[17:06] <jededu> But not bad for a bit of old BASIC
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[17:06] <lz1dev> code is in BASIC?
[17:06] <jededu> Yes
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[17:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LORA1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=LORA1
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[17:14] <tweetBot> @daveake: LoRa (Long Range spread-spectrum modem) balloon tracker now working and being uploaded to spacenear. #UKHAS http://t.co/BOW4xgkfMS
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[17:45] <SA6BSS> some info on the trackers I´m building: http://www.qsl.net/sa6bss/hab.html its still under construction
[17:49] <Maxell> SA6BSS: lol, out of SMD components? http://www.qsl.net/sa6bss/back.jpg
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[17:51] <aadamson> Maxell, more likely changing/setting the final voltage divider on the smps that powers the board
[17:53] <SA6BSS> Maxell: hehe, yes, provided resistor gave wrong output voltage so, I do have the resistor now :)
[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> SA6BSS, nice
[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> also got new boards from hackvana http://s.gullipics.com/image/d/7/b/5yv7pa-kdaww7-wfd3/IMG1340.jpeg
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[18:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03default_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=default_chase
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[18:22] <thasti> anyone having experience with BPSK for tlm downlink on HABs?
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[18:22] <thasti> should be magnitudes better regarding weak signal decoding capability
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[18:24] <mattbrejza> mfsk outperforms bpsk
[18:25] <mattbrejza> bpsk is only about 6dB better than noncoherent bfsk
[18:26] <thasti> and how much better is mfsk?
[18:26] <Laurenceb__> depends on number of "m"
[18:26] <Laurenceb__> more == better
[18:26] <thasti> of course it does
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[18:30] <thasti> mattbrejza: "only"? 6db is quite much - any numbers how much better m-fsk gets?
[18:30] <mattbrejza> its not exactly 'magnitudes' though
[18:31] <thasti> correct
[18:32] <thasti> but could mean maybe 100km distance?
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[18:32] <mattbrejza> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3Urttk8BK7kbm0tRi14T1E4aWs&authuser=0 pg 18
[18:33] <mattbrejza> well distance is currently LOS limited rather than power
[18:33] <thasti> yep
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[18:38] <thasti> okay the gain from using mfsk is more than i expected
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[18:40] <thasti> thanks for clarifying!
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[18:43] <mikestir_M0MKS> thasti: I had good decodes of my 4 mW olivia (error corrected mfsk) payload when it was lying on a desk inside a building 3 miles away
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[18:44] <thasti> ok so i guess it's more worth implementing mfsk instead of trying to investigate into low power, small footprint BPSK transmitters
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[18:46] <thasti> thx for clarifying
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[18:47] <mattbrejza> yea bpsk transmitters wont be easy
[18:47] <mikestir_M0MKS> well mfsk is easy to do with the usual sub-ghz transmitter chips
[18:47] <mattbrejza> i guess you can bodge it with a fsk transmitter though
[18:47] <mattbrejza> but then might as well do msk
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> when I was at a radio ham's house after he invited me (that was before Apex Alpha) he asked me why RTTY and not PSK31 or so
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> and back then I couldn't say anything but that the system is prevalent in the UK and there is no ham radio allowed airborne
[18:49] <thasti> i have a easy concept in mind for generating bpsk and thought about it's worth placing it on a tracker
[18:51] <thasti> but as mfsk is so much better and an si4060 is already in the hardware, i should invest in software ;)
[18:51] <mattbrejza> providing fldigi will decode it people will listen to it
[18:51] <mattbrejza> (also saves you writing a decoder
[18:51] <mattbrejza> )
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[18:51] <mikestir_M0MKS> thasti: you do need to pick the reference frequency carefully if you want to do the mfsk modes
[18:51] <mikestir_M0MKS> (on si4060)
[18:52] <thasti> i read about that on Upu's site
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[18:52] <mikestir_M0MKS> under clocking it at 16.384 MHz is ideal for most modes. I think Upu runs it a couple of kHz higher than that simply because there was a cheap tcxo available
[18:54] <thasti> mikestir_M0MKS: what olivia mode are you using?
[18:55] <mikestir_M0MKS> on that little ARM tracker I can do any, plus any contestia. I've only flown it once and used olivia 8/1000
[18:55] <Maxell> daveake: Long Range spread-spectrum modem. Sounds fancy!
[18:55] <mikestir_M0MKS> it's configurable though
[18:55] <thasti> 8/1000 would mean 125 hz spacing?
[18:56] <mikestir_M0MKS> sounds about right
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[18:58] <thasti> interesting .. will read more and try to implement
[18:59] <mikestir_M0MKS> it's fairly straightforward. the encoder source in fldigi is helpful, although pretty awful (it's all in a header file)
[19:00] <thasti> what would be the benefits of contestia?
[19:00] <mikestir_M0MKS> I think it's a bit faster but supposedly slightly less robust
[19:00] <mikestir_M0MKS> although evidently perfectly adequate given leo's flights
[19:00] <thasti> okay
[19:00] <mikestir_M0MKS> they're very similar - the encoders are basically the same with some parameters adjusted
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[19:12] <LeoBodnar> how are you planning to do BPSK thasti ?
[19:13] <thasti> LeoBodnar: first idea was to use the output of a PLL, si4060 etc as LO and use a balun (unsymmetric -> symmetric) afterwards, on the outputs -90° and 90° signals would appear, a simple RF switch would do the rest
[19:14] <LeoBodnar> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/files/Ghetto-BPSK1000.png but why? MFSK is better
[19:14] <thasti> that's what i just learned
[19:14] <thasti> yeah, cool
[19:15] <thasti> LeoBodnar: is that spectrum formed by such a circuit? it's what i would have imagined
[19:15] <LeoBodnar> it's done from inside the Si4060
[19:16] <thasti> how? switching frequency up and switching back as soon as phase is 180° advanced?
[19:16] <LeoBodnar> something like that
[19:17] <thasti> but nice try :)
[19:18] <thasti> doesn't look too bad
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[19:21] <thasti> alright, but mfsk it is ;) won't really get any better with such easy hardware
[19:23] <thasti> LeoBodnar: are you still doing the APRS with just crystal pulling?
[19:23] <chrisg7ogx> can some kind soul point me towards RTL dongles for sale?
[19:24] <simium> Good evening, gentlemen... I have a very noob question: should I connect the RF GND from a NTX2 to the electrical GND of the whole circuit? Or just to the "antenna GND"?
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> antenna GND
[19:24] <simium> that was fast! Thanx, Lunar_Lander
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> you are welcome
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[19:26] <LeoBodnar> i have always used PLL for APRS
[19:26] <thasti> what pll?
[19:26] <simium> is it too bad that I already have a PCB with RF GND tied to electrical GND?
[19:27] <simium> :(
[19:27] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: do you do pre emphasis?
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[19:27] <LeoBodnar> i have never pulled xtal
[19:27] <mikestir_M0MKS> simium: no. I would do it like that anyway and I bet they're connected together inside the ntx2
[19:27] <LeoBodnar> yes i do pre-emph
[19:27] <Laurenceb__> ok
[19:27] <Laurenceb__> how does that work?
[19:28] <Laurenceb__> do you change the FSK tone sep?
[19:28] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[19:28] <Laurenceb__> ah
[19:29] <Laurenceb__> then just square wave "tones" ?
[19:30] <LeoBodnar> sinewaves
[19:30] <thasti> LeoBodnar: so you do FM in 2FSK-mode, doing like a "frequency-pwm" there?
[19:31] <Laurenceb__> ooh very nice
[19:31] <Laurenceb__> using pulse density?
[19:31] <LeoBodnar> no just approximating the sinewaves
[19:31] <Laurenceb__> huh?
[19:31] <thasti> ?
[19:31] <mattbrejza> you update the pll value every (say) 8kHz with a sinewave value?
[19:31] <Laurenceb__> how, as silabs can only do 2FSK?
[19:32] <Laurenceb__> oh
[19:32] <thasti> oh okay
[19:32] <Laurenceb__> that would make sense
[19:32] <thasti> doing the fsk-thing would have a bad spectrum, i guess
[19:33] <thasti> and would not be very energy efficient
[19:33] <LeoBodnar> bed spectrum is better than no spectrum
[19:33] <LeoBodnar> bad
[19:33] <bertrik> just for fun, I outputted speech on 868 MHz using an RFM69 by writing a new audio sample 8000 times per second in the LSB of the carrier frequency register, sounds fine :)
[19:33] <thasti> that depends on who notices it ;)
[19:34] <mfa298> simium: I think the antenna ground and electrical ground are connected together in the ntx2 so there's no issue with connecting them on the pcb
[19:34] <daveake> they are
[19:35] <mattbrejza> the 'bad' spectrum would still be in the 25kHz FM channel, it just means that power isnt in the 1200/2200 AFSK frequencies
[19:36] <LeoBodnar> this is slated to fly soon http://leobodnar.com/balloons/files/B-number-station.wav
[19:36] <thasti> i doubt that .. such a PWM would have harmonics outside the FM channel
[19:36] <bertrik> LeoBodnar: I recently found out about the arduino 'Talkie' projects, it can speak a lot of phrases in relatively little memory
[19:37] <thasti> LeoBodnar: awesome
[19:37] <mattbrejza> well using the 2fsk mode is just using the raido in its usual mode, hte bandwidth wont be any higher than normal use
[19:38] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: cool
[19:41] <thasti> mattbrejza: but the switching still produces frequencies diffrent from the ones you are switching between
[19:42] <LeoBodnar> BPSK does the same unless you do pulse shaping. do you?
[19:42] <thasti> of course it does, those rf switches are too fast ;)
[19:43] <LeoBodnar> i am not sure what you are trying to achieve
[19:43] <thasti> that was more of a concept idea
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> you are not Bo are you?
[19:44] <thasti> it obviously has its problems
[19:44] <thasti> Bo?
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> ok, not then
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[19:44] <LeoBodnar> this is good
[19:45] <LeoBodnar> conceptually you need to analyse the channel first and from there devise modulation and encoding scheme
[19:46] <LeoBodnar> alternatively, use something that is Good Enough ®
[19:46] <thasti> :D
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[19:47] <LeoBodnar> i think spectrum purity has never been a primary concern in HAB circles
[19:48] <thasti> i realized that quite fast from seeing different designs ...
[19:49] <thasti> but as you said, better have a bad spectrum than none
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[20:00] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: 22:00:21$ fm M0XER-3 to APRS63-0 UI^ PID=F0 !/4.#iN72sO H5@^!"H5=N4.$'N73#BlTC7OB(/A=000298 ISM 10mW|!)Kh!&AQ!'|
[20:01] <Maxell> 81829 52129 -00991 00091
[20:01] <Maxell> But what does it mean?!
[20:03] <simium> mikestir_M0MKS mfa298: got it, thank you (sorry, 5 m/o baby required attention)
[20:03] Action: SpeedEvil passes simium a fume cupboard.
[20:04] <simium> hahaha
[20:05] <Laurenceb__> M0XER-3?
[20:05] <Laurenceb__> new packet?
[20:07] <LeoBodnar> Maxell: this is from UK or France as it is ISM
[20:08] <simium> BTW, I'm testing Arduino+NTX2 and funcube dongle, and SDR# just goes bananas
[20:08] <simium> ... if the two are in the same room
[20:08] <simium> I have to move the payload to another room in order to not see everything red in SDR#
[20:10] <Upu> !ping B-63
[20:10] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Last contact with 03B-63 was 0315 days ago
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[20:10] <DL7AD> !position B-64
[20:10] <DL7AD> could be the current calculated position of B-64
[20:11] <LeoBodnar> decode Maxell packet: $$B-63,8,182931,140708,52.1297,-0.9914,0,6,22,3.89,0.01*DB25
[20:12] <Laurenceb__> lol ages ago
[20:12] <Maxell> it did voice too?
[20:13] <LeoBodnar> no
[20:13] <Maxell> hmm
[20:14] <Maxell> what if ... those small fm transmitters for in cars
[20:14] <Maxell> in HAB
[20:14] <Maxell> oh boy
[20:14] <Maxell> many number station!!
[20:14] <Maxell> :P
[20:14] <LeoBodnar> ah, number station?
[20:15] <LeoBodnar> it means 08 day 18:29 52.129, -00.991 altitude 00091m
[20:16] <LeoBodnar> frm the sound clip
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[20:27] <mikestir_M0MKS> Maxell: are you thinking of running a pirate radio station from a hab? that would be amusing
[20:27] <mikestir_M0MKS> but of course you should definitely not do it
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[20:29] <simium> "RF ground is internally connected to the module screen and pin 6 (0V). These pins should be directly connected to the RF return path - e.g. coax braid, main PCB ground plane etc."
[20:30] <simium> Yup, you were right
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[20:41] <Guest300> HI
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[21:18] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: "< mikestir_M0MKS> but of course you should definitely not do it" tempting
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[21:19] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: well, those fm car transmitters are sold in .nl, so they are legal right?
[21:19] <Maxell> *wink wink*
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[21:59] <mikestir_M0MKS> Maxell: yeah but they only have an output power of something like 100nW
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[22:50] <simium> place payload next to bulb, turn on the lights, rtty goes crazy as frequency shifts due to increasing temperature
[22:50] <chrisstubbs> simium rfm22b?
[22:51] <simium> ntx2
[22:51] <simium> it's just the bare pcb, not thermally insulated or anything, but a couple degrees mess a lot with the frequency
[22:51] <chrisstubbs> if you want the non drifty version pick up an NTX2B
[22:52] <chrisstubbs> yes it will drift in flight without the TCXO
[22:52] <simium> I didn't expect the effect was so exagerated
[22:52] <simium> damn
[22:52] <adamgreig> simium: right next to a light is probably making it very warm!
[22:52] <chrisstubbs> if you insulate it well it should still be trackable, they were used for years before the txco modules came out
[22:52] <adamgreig> usually in-flight drift is slow enough that it's possible to track it fairly easily
[22:53] <adamgreig> well insulated helps too
[22:53] <simium> I hope so
[22:53] <simium> I was just curious and wanted to see some changes in the telemetry
[22:53] <adamgreig> you got 'em :P
[22:53] <simium> sure lol
[22:54] <simium> it's gonna do SSDV, I hope the effects are softened enough by the thermal insulation so I can get the pictures
[22:54] <simium> you guys in the UK do APRS from 434 MHz?
[22:55] <adamgreig> our normal APRS is on 2m somewhere
[22:55] <adamgreig> 144.139 maybe
[22:55] <adamgreig> not typically 434
[22:55] <adamgreig> and we can't do amateur stuff airborne either
[22:55] <adamgreig> turning a light on right next to it will probably change the temperature on the ntx2 a lot faster than a flight will
[22:56] <simium> ok, I know that APRS is 144ish, but since so many flights carry the 434 Mhz modules...
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[22:57] <adamgreig> yea, we usually do actual telemetry on 434
[22:57] <adamgreig> just on a license exempt allocation
[22:57] <adamgreig> and not APRS
[22:57] <simium> I don't have a ham license so I can't use APRS (I'm in Spain)
[22:57] <adamgreig> mm
[22:57] <adamgreig> I have four ham licenses and still can't use APRS on my balloons :P
[22:58] <mfa298> UK & Europe APRS is 144.800 but obviously needs license and regs that allow it to be used as we want to
[22:59] <simium> in Spain you can do airborne APRS
[22:59] <simium> AFAIK
[23:00] <mfa298> UK and france seem to be the places you cant (possibly others but I'm not sure anyones actually checked everywhere)
[23:00] <simium> the trackuino guy did use APRS, for instance http://www.trackuino.org/
[23:00] <adamgreig> yea in many countries it's legal
[23:01] <adamgreig> we have some WWII relics and a very small and quite densely populated country which is I guess why we can't
[23:02] <simium> oh I see
[23:02] <mfa298> I think being a small and sensly populated country doesn't help
[23:02] <mfa298> s/sensly/densly/
[23:03] <adamgreig> yea. there ends up being little call for it, for one thing, and a lot of scope for interference, for another
[23:03] <simium> but it seems you have an important lobby there
[23:04] <daveake> not important enough it seems
[23:04] <mfa298> plus through need for something that's allowed we've probably got a better system (at least in the last couple of years)
[23:04] <daveake> but we do do quite well within the restrictions
[23:04] <adamgreig> UI'
[23:04] <adamgreig> uh
[23:05] <adamgreig> I'd still really like to get a bit more power airborne :P
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[23:05] <daveake> And I think that without those restrictions, these pico trackers probably wouldn't exist and Leo's flights wouldn't have happened (yet)
[23:05] <adamgreig> 10mW is fine and plenty for telemetry like we do now though, and it works really well
[23:05] <adamgreig> though of course leo's flights were fully featured APRS transmitters too :P
[23:05] <daveake> POWERRRR would be nice for extra bandwidth
[23:05] <daveake> they were :)
[23:05] <adamgreig> and without APRS they almost certainly wouldn't have happened
[23:05] <daveake> true
[23:05] <adamgreig> but still
[23:06] <adamgreig> your point stands I think :P
[23:06] <simium> what are they gonna do? shoot them down? :p
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[23:06] <daveake> I think :)
[23:06] <adamgreig> sad to hear that ofcom are totally dismissing any of these changes rsgb wanted
[23:07] <Flerb__> adamgreig, on what grounds? Effort?
[23:07] <adamgreig> don't think there's any will to change the license
[23:07] <Flerb__> adamgreig, is this documented somehwere?
[23:07] <adamgreig> but I don't know, all I've heard is that it ain't happening
[23:09] <simium> what's a reallistic delay between telemetry broadcasts? 15 seconds? 1 minute? 5?
[23:10] <mfa298> as far as I can tell the actual ofcom consultation hasn't happened yet (although it probably has to be soon as they have to make changes for the bands/segments we're loosing
[23:11] <mfa298> Flerb__: there was a very brief update at the conference but I'm not sure what the source is for that.
[23:19] <Flerb__> mfa298, I was talking to the RSGB president and asked and said they were still waiting, and that was last weekend. I would be surprised if it happened between now and then
[23:20] <Flerb__> The RSGB seems to be pretty helpful with it, but ofcom and the CAA possibly aren't.
[23:20] <daveake> I have a plan. "Dear OFCOM, if you don't give us airborne use, I'll tell everyone that you issued the same callsign to 2 different people"
[23:21] <adamgreig> haha still amazed at that. and it was mark from lhs?
[23:21] <adamgreig> Flerb__: rsgb seem very good about it! it's just ofcom i suspect have no will to do much of anything
[23:21] <daveake> Mark Stewart
[23:21] <Flerb__> daveake, how did they end up doing that?
[23:22] <daveake> how? You'll have to ask them
[23:22] <Flerb__> daveake, I can probably arrange that
[23:22] <daveake> But the M6 callsign I was given had already been given to Mark
[23:22] <Flerb__> Oh dear
[23:22] <daveake> Oh, dont worry, communications have begun
[23:22] <Flerb__> Made an FOI request before.
[23:22] <Flerb__> Surely you still have a license for it?
[23:23] <mfa298> the only useful consultation I've seen so far is http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/consultations/vhf-143-169mhz/summary/VHF_consultation.pdf
[23:23] <Flerb__> Or did you surrender it? Even so they normally won't issue the callsign again
[23:23] <mfa298> which covers the 2m stuff
[23:23] <daveake> No, I was given an M6 that someone else was given 2 months prior, and still held
[23:23] <daveake> still holds in fact
[23:23] <daveake> as do I
[23:24] <daveake> I have current PDFs of both, printed from their website last week
[23:24] <Flerb__> Oh wow. That is bad
[23:24] <Flerb__> That is really abd
[23:24] <Flerb__> *bad
[23:24] <Flerb__> daveake, must've been awkward meeting him
[23:24] <daveake> Obviously this caused much confusion when I spent hours using my callsign on air ... :p
[23:24] <Flerb__> "Hi, I'm M6RPI" "Oh, me too"
[23:25] Action: Flerb__ wonders if anything about the state of the consultation could be uncovered by an FOI request
[23:25] <adamgreig> wonder how many others were doubly allocated and not discovered
[23:25] <adamgreig> I mean, you two have been on the same irc channel probably since then?
[23:25] <daveake> Well no as I'm M0RPI now, but a) I still hold the M6 of course, and b) so does he
[23:25] <daveake> Except I suspect mine is the invalid one :/
[23:26] <mfa298> what's the betting they're just using an excel spreadsheet to track callsigns and email it around every month or so
[23:26] <daveake> haha
[23:26] <daveake> email? Sounds a bit modern
[23:26] <adamgreig> fax
[23:26] <mfa298> or worse something like lotus 1-2-3 which they got free off a magazine ~ 10 years ago
[23:27] <Flerb__> daveake, you two should arrange a QSO
[23:27] <daveake> adamgreig, Yeah, this happened to get picked up but I bet some others have yet to be discovered
[23:27] <daveake> ha
[23:27] <Flerb__> Trade cards
[23:28] <Flerb__> https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/available_amateur_radio_callsign
[23:28] <Flerb__> Think they are on holiday?
[23:28] <daveake> As you say, it's bad. It's your identity in the radio world. Not that I care personally as I've "upgraded" since then, but it really really really should be impossible
[23:29] <Flerb__> Yes.
[23:29] <Flerb__> daveake, are you under instruction not to use the M6 licence till they sort it
[23:30] <daveake> Not heard anything back yet
[23:30] <daveake> I bet that if 2 people ask online for the same callsign at the same time, it'll allow that. These though were months apart
[23:32] <daveake> anyway, nn
[23:32] <Flerb__> nn
[23:32] Action: Flerb__ wonders if communication between the RSGB and ofcom could be released
[23:39] <mfa298> if it's aboutan active / imminent consultation it coud get refused
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[23:51] <Ian_> !b-64
[23:51] <Ian_> whereis b-64
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[23:54] <mattbrejza> !ping b-64
[23:54] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Last contact with 03B-64 was 0314 hours ago
[23:54] <mattbrejza> !whereis b-64
[23:54] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: 03B-64 was over 03Kargopolskiy rayon, Arkhangelsk Oblast, Russia 10(61.6213,38.2415) at 0312258 meters
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[23:56] <N00b88788> Anyone know if I can use 434mhz in the us (assuming I get a ham license)
[23:56] <adamgreig> yea
[23:56] <adamgreig> technician licence gives you 434 airborne
[23:56] <N00b88788> Or do we use a diff frequency here?
[23:56] <adamgreig> with certain power related restrictions for certain geographic regions
[23:57] <adamgreig> but with a licence you'd probably be better using APRS on 2m instead, as there's already a whole network of people can track it that way
[23:58] <N00b88788> Just stumbled across the pi in the sky board, are there alternatives for 2m?
[23:58] <adamgreig> yea. you can just buy ready to fly aprs trackers in the states
[23:59] <adamgreig> http://www.bigredbee.com/ for example
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