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[05:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 06yo3fvr_chase
[05:55] <lz1dev> !whereis yo3vr_chase
[05:55] <SpacenearUS> 06lz1dev: I haven't got a clue
[05:55] <lz1dev> mkay
[05:55] <lz1dev> !whereis yo3fvr_chase
[05:55] <SpacenearUS> 06lz1dev: Near 06Bulevardul Iuliu Maniu, Bucharest, Romania 12(44.4340741626,25.9868354488) at 0688.9628829956 meters.
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[06:53] <Maxell> lz1dev: nice
[06:53] <MaXimaN> Morning
[06:55] <Maxell> lz1dev: could you round() the 88.9628829956?
[06:55] <Maxell> like, 89 meters also works.
[06:55] <fsphil> phil plait does balloons: http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/08/18/helium_how_do_you_weigh_a_balloon.html
[06:55] <lz1dev> its done, just not live yet
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[07:00] <Maxell> :D
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[07:50] <lz1dev> !whereis yo3fvr_chase
[07:50] <SpacenearUS> 06lz1dev: Near 06Bulevardul Iuliu Maniu, Bucharest, Romania 12(44.43407,25.98683) at 0688 meters
[07:50] <lz1dev> !track yo3fvr_chase
[07:50] <SpacenearUS> 06lz1dev: Hero you go - 02http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=yo3fvr_chase
[07:51] <daveake> "Hero"? :)
[07:51] <lz1dev> hero hero
[07:51] <lz1dev> ez typo
[07:51] <lz1dev> keys too close
[07:52] <daveake> typo, sure ... :p
[08:01] <Maxell> lz1dev: it does floor()!
[08:01] <Maxell> Nor round() :(
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[08:07] <lz1dev> Maxell: we just want to drop the precision not round
[08:08] <lz1dev> 5.5 rounder would be 6
[08:08] <lz1dev> etc
[08:08] <lz1dev> rounded*
[08:10] <Maxell> 88.9628829956 dropping precision? why not round? :)
[08:10] <Maxell> 89 is more 88.9628829956 then 88 is
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[09:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> I take it we haven't heard anything from the APJHAB team ?
[09:53] <daveake> See mailing list
[09:53] <daveake> canned for today
[09:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah
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[09:56] <craag_philcrump> Haven't seen a launch from you in a while Dave
[09:57] <daveake> Ran out of ideas :/
[09:57] <daveake> However I have many now :-)
[09:57] <craag_philcrump> :)
[09:57] <LazyLeopard> A little inspiration come out of the conference then... ;)
[09:57] <daveake> However also have this coming up http://designandmake.designspark.com/designspark/electronics/blog/hack-superman-to-the-edge-of-space-and-back
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[09:58] <daveake> Very much so LazyLeopard
[09:58] <LazyLeopard> Heh! Good!
[09:58] <daveake> Though I had a couple of projects in progress before
[09:58] Action: LazyLeopard has spent 5 days at ExCel, at least half of it swallowed in a musical production...
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[10:03] <craag_philcrump> lol at the last comment on that page
[10:04] <craag_philcrump> I think we know who we can blame for that ;)
[10:05] <LazyLeopard> Heh
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[10:34] <myier> is it bad if the coax between the NTX2B and the ground plane antenna makes a 90 degrees turn?
[10:35] <myier> for a length of approximately 2cm
[10:35] <craag_philcrump> no
[10:35] <craag_philcrump> Just don't kink the coax
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[10:37] <myier> ok thanks
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[10:41] <chimpusmaximus> Hi, hopefulyl someone can provide some advice on testing components that i'm looking to use in payload. I have a few different cameras etc that i would like to use, so far i have been using a chest
[10:41] <chimpusmaximus> Hi, hopefully someone can provide some advice on testing components that i'm looking to use in payload. I have a few different cameras etc that i would like to use and would welcome some ideas for testing their suitability etc.
[10:42] <chimpusmaximus> I was think a spell in a chest freezer might help test out them functioning at low temperature.
[10:45] <navrac_work> A chest freezer would help - also try listing which ones you are looking at here - lots have been tried and you may get some yes no answers based on real experience
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[10:52] <daveake> Generally cameras generate enough heat to keep themselves warm enough to stay running, provided you insulate reasonably well
[10:53] <chimpusmaximus> cheers. i was looking at some cheap car dash cams. I use one in the car all the time and its been faultless.
[10:53] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[10:53] <UpuWork> or "GPS Jammers" as we like to call them
[10:53] <chimpusmaximus> sorry copy paste going mad http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00FKTQ3NE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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[10:55] <chimpusmaximus> They normaly have a tiny battery and need 5v usb. I had hoped to just use a bigger battery but it has not been reliable in tests. After an hour or so it would become unresponsive to certain command inputs
[10:57] <daveake> If you're after a cheap option, you can get a Kodak Zx1 on wbay for that sort of money. Takes Lithium AAs and will work through the entire flight. Or for stills get an A-series Canon compact camera
[10:58] <chimpusmaximus> I have then gone back to the usb powering and function fine till they fill a 32gb card. With that in mind i did a freezer test. went back after 2hrs and the same response. i could not turn off the recording. Checking the memory card i could see recording looked to be going on in background. I guess more testing will continue, this was fully exposed in the freezer as well.
[10:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 06stella2 - 02http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=stella2
[10:59] <daveake> Sounds like more trouble than it's worth
[11:01] <chimpusmaximus> yep i suspect so. As with everything i started simple with acquiring a canon i could mod and then got carried away.
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[11:12] <mfa298> those colours really aren't good on my Ubuntu terminal
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[11:27] <myier> too bad that the reception radius doesn't take into account the altitude of the terrain
[11:28] <myier> but that'd be complicated
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[11:30] <Laurenceb_> hmm
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[11:30] <Laurenceb_> there are propagation modellers
[11:30] <Laurenceb_> maybe there is an api we could use
[11:31] <myier> because stella-2 is on the ground, and cannot be received 300km away :)
[11:31] <mattbrejza> well at the moment the reception radius doesnt even take into account the varying latitude at the top and bottom of the circle
[11:31] <Laurenceb_> http://qradiopredict.sourceforge.net/
[11:32] <mfa298> from the conference some of that might be taken into account with the new predictor. But it might not be so easy to do for the horizon circles.
[11:32] <Laurenceb_> ^qradiopredict looks quite easy to integrate
[11:33] <Laurenceb_> depends what it can export i guess
[11:33] <mfa298> question would be how quickly can it generate that data
[11:34] <mfa298> a starting point might be to have the horizon circles based partly on the predictions. If the prediction says it's close to the ground don't draw a horizon circle
[11:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 06vc_chase - 02http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=vc_chase
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[11:43] <MaXimaN> !ping b-64
[11:43] <SpacenearUS> 06MaXimaN: Last contact was 064 days ago
[11:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 06sp7thr - 02http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=sp7thr
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> !ping b-*
[11:43] <SpacenearUS> 06SpeedEvil: No contact from 06b-*
[11:52] <Maxell> "No vehicles :(" ?
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[12:05] <SpeedEvil> http://www.bristol.bcs.org.uk/2014/IT-at-the-met-BCS-Jan14.pdf
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> history of IT at the met office
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[12:09] <Tramvai> Hey guys. Can someone tell me what would cause the error "avrdude.exe: stk500_getsync(): not in sync: resp=0x00" when I connect my GPS through pin 0 and 1.
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> ^ Stick one fastest graphics card in a machine, and you can get the equivalent performance of the met office in 1994 or so.
[12:10] <daveake> You have to disconnect the GPS Tx from the Arduino Rx whilst you program
[12:10] <daveake> Highly recommend getting an AVR ISP so you program with that rather than USB
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[12:11] <daveake> Then you won't have a conflict between programming and GPS
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[12:23] <lz1dev> !flights
[12:23] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Current flights: 03APJHAB 11(2f86), 03B-63 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 11(4cc0), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 11(7ea2), 03B-66 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 11(78c9)
[12:23] <lz1dev> !flight 2f86
[12:23] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Flight info for 03APJHAB 11(2 payloads) - Launch time 03Today at 5:45 AM from 031 Middlewick Cottages, Dengie, The Marshes, Southminster, Essex CM0 7JQ, UK 11(51.65823,0.89627)
[12:23] <lz1dev> !payloads 2f86
[12:23] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Payload 03APJHAB - 03434.125 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/690HzASCII-7 none 2
[12:23] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Payload 03APJB09 - 03434.125 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/690HzASCII-7 none 2
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[12:25] <Lunar_LanderU> gello
[12:25] <Lunar_LanderU> *hello
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[12:35] <Lunar_LanderU> $$$$$OERNEN-II,61,12:35:34,0.0000000,0.0000000,-17,6,0,0,0,2381*FBCF
[12:35] <Lunar_LanderU> it's back
[12:35] <Lunar_LanderU> (XD)
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[12:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> lz1dev, Will there be any documentation/help/list of the new commands ?
[12:45] <mattbrejza> !frequency
[12:46] <mattbrejza> <snus> current payloads on 434.125 (BAL1); 434.500 (B-1)
[12:46] <lz1dev> Geoff-G8DHE-M: no
[12:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> :-(
[12:46] <mattbrejza> or !frequency B-66
[12:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> we will all be trying out possibilities for days months to come!
[12:49] <Maxell> lz1dev: I get the No vehicles :( error, is there anything on the mobile tracker?
[12:50] <Maxell> already tried force reloading/remeoving cookies etc
[12:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I'm getting 11 behicles on the hmt at this moment just refreshed
[12:50] <lz1dev> Maxell: check the address
[12:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> *vehicles
[12:50] <Lunar_LanderU> did anyone hear of a Navmode 44 on the ublox?
[12:53] <Maxell> lz1dev: http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/ :)
[12:53] <Maxell> no filter set
[12:53] <Maxell> The size of cache files is 1.2 MB. How do I clean that one?
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[12:56] <lz1dev> try checking the console for errors
[12:56] <lz1dev> ctrl+shift+j
[12:58] <Maxell> lz1dev: http://i.sigio.nl/873c33353a6611ce45602b19f7cf3918.png
[13:00] <lz1dev> those are css stuff
[13:01] <lz1dev> you need to select JS
[13:02] <Maxell> no js errors it seems
[13:03] <Maxell> JS-only tab is empty
[13:04] <lz1dev> that strange
[13:04] <lz1dev> thats*
[13:04] <Maxell> http://i.sigio.nl/815a9d27b264ff85c78d4f64233e18ba.png
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[13:05] <lz1dev> best way is to clear the console, and reload the page
[13:05] <lz1dev> other than that clear the offline cache from options -> advanced -> network
[13:06] <mfa298> !wiki guide to tracking
[13:06] <SpacenearUS> 03mfa298: Here you go - 12http://ukhas.org.uk
[13:06] <myier> why would the ublox give a bad fix quality (1) when it sees 6 satellites?
[13:06] <Maxell> ok let me clear that first
[13:06] <mfa298> hmmm, that's not very useful. It's already in the /topic
[13:07] <lz1dev> i haven't messed with the wiki
[13:07] <lz1dev> but if i enable the rpc interface, it could do searches
[13:07] <mfa298> That's somewhat more useful
[13:07] <mattbrejza> !wiki stm32 guide
[13:07] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Here you go - 12http://ukhas.org.uk
[13:08] <mattbrejza> !wiki stm32 toolchain setup
[13:08] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Here you go - 12http://ukhas.org.uk
[13:08] <lz1dev> it doesnt do searches guys
[13:08] <Maxell> lz1dev: nope still informs be it's using 1,2 MB of data
[13:08] <Maxell> firefox tells me 0 kB is being used
[13:08] <Maxell> force reload CTRL
[13:08] <Maxell> +f5 no fix
[13:09] <mattbrejza> yea i derped, i mistook !google for !wiki
[13:09] <lz1dev> hit ctrl+shift+q
[13:09] <lz1dev> and refresh
[13:09] <lz1dev> see if ther are any errors there
[13:11] <Maxell> lol on a side note
[13:11] <Maxell> it just pooped out this: Use of getPreventDefault() is deprecated. Use defaultPrevented instead.
[13:12] <lz1dev> those are compability things, they don't break stuff
[13:12] <Maxell> http://i.sigio.nl/99a478873458d6971edfc18d11d1a05c.png
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[13:13] <Maxell> http://i.sigio.nl/38169d2471128c4845bdf576ba108ee6.png
[13:14] <lz1dev> click on the XHR tab at the bottom
[13:14] <lz1dev> and check for anythin red
[13:14] <lz1dev> red = errors
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[13:15] <chimpusmaximus> Hi Can someone confirm or correct me. In terms pulling everything as far as tracking
[13:15] <chimpusmaximus> together, I believe I need to do the following. Submit habitat document generator to create a reference to the payload and provide details to parse telemetry. Am I right in thinking this will then enable me through dl-fldigi to capture the radio telemetry, push to habitat and then view on http://spacenear.us/. I also assume that this would enable others to pick up my telemetry
[13:15] <chimpusmaximus> and decode?
[13:15] <lz1dev> !hysplit b-64
[13:15] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: HYSPLIT for 03b-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/177967_B64.gif
[13:15] <Maxell> lz1dev: "no requests"
[13:15] <Maxell> oeh
[13:16] <Maxell> niceee hysplit
[13:16] <Maxell> Except it error'd
[13:17] <Maxell> :P
[13:19] <lz1dev> yep
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[13:20] <lz1dev> chimpusmaximus: once you generate the flight doc, you need to get it approved at #habhub, and anyone with dl-fldigi can select it and listen for it
[13:21] <lz1dev> dl-fldigi will uploaded any valid sentance to habitat, and it will show up on the map
[13:22] <lz1dev> Maxell: there should be periodical requests on that tab, check for anything red in the all tab
[13:26] <chimpusmaximus> lz1dev cheers
[13:28] <Maxell> lz1dev: ok it did 48 fresh refresh... Now waiting for the automatic ones to come in
[13:28] <Maxell> Still nothing in red/error
[13:29] <mattbrejza> tried switching to porn mode or trying a different browser?
[13:29] <Maxell> I can go porn mode
[13:30] <lz1dev> !hysplit b-64
[13:30] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: HYSPLIT for 03b-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/180256_B64.gif
[13:30] <SpeedEvil> lz1dev: neat
[13:31] <Maxell> Nope porn mode just tells me the Use of getPreventDefault() is deprecated. Use defaultPrevented instead. mobile.js:1
[13:31] <Maxell> and nothing else
[13:31] <SpeedEvil> lz1dev: A log downloaded later from directly over the pole would be awesome
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[13:32] <mattbrejza> can you load www.spacenear.us/tracker/data.php?
[13:33] <Maxell> Works in Tor, the mobile trakcer
[13:33] <lz1dev> SpeedEvil: it has 10 days log, we might
[13:33] <Maxell> mattbrejza: works :)
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[13:34] <lz1dev> if you have teamviewer i can take a look
[13:35] Nick change: cross_ -> cross
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[13:36] <Maxell> lz1dev: nope :P
[13:36] <Maxell> anything else you want to try?
[13:37] <Maxell> 34.0a1 (2014-08-19) btq
[13:37] <Maxell> so yeah quite bleeding edge
[13:38] <lz1dev> running nightly
[13:38] <lz1dev> ballsy
[13:39] <Maxell> eyeep
[13:39] <Maxell> broken sites thats how I roll
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[13:40] <Maxell> lz1dev: so yeah
[13:40] <Maxell> I just wait for firefox updates?
[13:42] <lz1dev> u wot
[13:42] <lz1dev> release is 31
[13:42] <lz1dev> atm
[13:43] <lz1dev> its probably something obvious, but i can't solve it blind
[13:43] <lz1dev> good luck
[13:44] <Maxell> :P
[13:44] <Maxell> tnx
[13:45] <Maxell> Yeah, Nightly runs at 34.0a1
[13:45] <Maxell> So wel'll see
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[14:43] <Laurenceb_> the !hyplit thingy needs 6 hour markers
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[14:47] <lz1dev> good point
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[14:57] <SkippyUK> ing :D
[15:00] <lz1dev> Laurenceb_: next run should have markers
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[15:15] <lz1dev> wut
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[15:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03alien_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=alien_chase
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[15:39] Action: SpeedEvil quotes lz1dev's earlier 'that would be impossible' comment.
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> I see the impossible takes a couple of weeks.
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> Good going!
[15:40] <lz1dev> wut
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> I said ages ago 'a marker on the hysplit indicating the current time would be nice'
[15:42] <lz1dev> on the tracker yep
[15:42] <lz1dev> the kml has a marker for every hour
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[15:42] <lz1dev> it's ment to work with GEs time scroll
[15:43] <lz1dev> on the maps shows all points
[15:43] <lz1dev> you can still click on them and get exact info
[15:44] <lz1dev> but that's not exactly great
[15:45] <SpeedEvil> It's OK ifthere is one trajectory
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[15:47] <lz1dev> i thought i had it set, but nope
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[16:07] <Laurenceb_> http://ambivalentengineer.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/project-loon.html
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[16:27] <SpeedEvil> beginnign looks interesting
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> i shall read later
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[16:32] <_Paradigm> Hi all, I am constructing a HAB for a school project, mind if I ask some noob questions here?
[16:33] <Maxell> Laurenceb_: nice writeup
[16:33] <Maxell> _Paradigm: go ahead
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[16:35] <_Paradigm> Well we are going to use a Raspberry Pi as the flight computer, hooking it up with sensors and stuff is trivial, but I am concerned about the air to ground communication, what devices to use etc. I read the wiki about the NTX2 transmitter. Do these need an antenna?
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[16:38] <Upu> yes _Paradigm
[16:38] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payloadantenna?s[]=payload&s[]=antenna
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[16:40] <chimpusmaximus> _Paradigm the Pi in the Sky project has some useful info as well as providing a ready done board.
[16:41] <_Paradigm> Thanks! How about the receiving side? Do I really need to use (relatively expensive) Yaesu receivers? The wiki stated something as a SDR
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[16:42] <Upu> If you're in the UK you should be ok but you do need something on the ground
[16:42] <_Paradigm> Well the Netherlands is quite near the UK :)
[16:42] <chimpusmaximus> _Paradigm: currently going down this route myself using a SDR, others i'm sure can comment on how well they have used them.
[16:43] <chimpusmaximus> upu: do you mean a decent ground antenna?
[16:43] <Upu> lots of listeners in the UK
[16:43] <Upu> err
[16:43] <Upu> .nl
[16:43] <Upu> no when you're chasing the balloon
[16:43] <_Paradigm> You can use SDR in combination with a 'decent' ground antenna right?
[16:44] <Upu> yes though they certainly benefit from a HABAmp
[16:44] <_Paradigm> HABAmp? :)
[16:44] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=72_73&product_id=83
[16:44] <_Paradigm> *googling*
[16:45] <_Paradigm> oh I get it
[16:47] <chimpusmaximus> dam wish i had seen that before going for another one.
[16:47] <chimpusmaximus> Could have got it same time as pi in the sky
[16:49] <_Paradigm> and what kind of antenna to use when chasing, the same one as on the payload?
[16:54] <Upu> diamond mr77s should do
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[17:02] <_Paradigm> Is it possible to construct a whip antenna yourself too?
[17:05] <myier> you can use a guitar string to make a simple antenna
[17:07] <_Paradigm> Thanks for the help guys!
[17:08] <_Paradigm> Is anyone having experience with SDR devices? Can they be used to track a payload?
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[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:13] <bertrik> _Paradigm: yes, we use one in our hackerspace to track HABs, in combination with a HAB-amp and a 2m/70cm colinear antenna
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[17:14] <bertrik> not sure how well it works in a mobile setup
[17:14] <ka1qw_> Using the NTX2 in the States, suggestions for freq ordering information for use with mylar balloon ?
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[17:16] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[17:20] <ScottM85> evening all
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[17:23] <ScottM85> I've picked up what sounds like rtty on 437.621, how do I go about deciding baud rate, bits per character, parity and stop bits?
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[17:24] <ScottM85> I can see that the carrier shift is 425 but not sure how to determine the rest?
[17:24] <chrisstubbs> the baud rate you can measure in something like audacity
[17:25] <chrisstubbs> there may be ways for the rest, but trial and error wont produce too many combinationes
[17:25] <chrisstubbs> *combinations. if it is RTTY of course!
[17:26] <ScottM85> I'm no pro but it sounds like it is
[17:26] <chrisstubbs> fire up (or download) audacity and take a recording
[17:27] <adamgreig> usually you just listen to it
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[17:27] <adamgreig> and it's probably 50, 145, 300, etc
[17:27] <Flerb>
[17:27] <chrisstubbs> thats the easy way :P
[17:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> If you calibrate the SDR using a local 70cms repeater, then you can get a better frequency reading which combined with the pass info you should be able to workout whuch satelite and then look up the details
[17:28] <adamgreig> probably other good/better calibration sources too
[17:28] <adamgreig> depnds what range you can tune to I guess
[17:29] <ScottM85> yeah, I did calibrate the SDR with an NTX2B
[17:29] <ScottM85> downloading audacity
[17:30] <ScottM85> baud rate 75 seems to give me repetative text so I think it's that
[17:31] <ScottM85> it repeats this over and over: VOKKMNVNMWNOOOOWQOMNWNMWNOOOOO
[17:32] <adamgreig> probably not got it set up right then
[17:32] <adamgreig> check encoding (BAUDOT or ASCII7 or ASCII8), try reversing
[17:32] <adamgreig> looks like you have it set to BAUDOT probably
[17:32] <adamgreig> and the data might well not be that
[17:32] <ScottM85> yeah, but I'm guessing if it's repeating it's the correct baud rate right?
[17:33] <ScottM85> if I understand it correctly
[17:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Chances are the string may well repeat itself, and hence the same pattern no matter what settings you use
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[17:35] <adamgreig> ScottM85: maaaybe
[17:35] <ScottM85> opening up audacity :)
[17:39] <ScottM85> ok, I've got a recording but how do you figure out baud in Audacity?
[17:39] <adamgreig> try to identify a bit period
[17:39] <adamgreig> the signal should be at the same frequency for a certain amount of time before changing frequency
[17:39] <adamgreig> find the smallest such (as often two bits will be together)
[17:39] <ScottM85> aaah right
[17:39] <adamgreig> and find its width
[17:41] <chrisstubbs> on the top left of the track you recoreded there should be a down arrow next to "audio track"
[17:41] <chrisstubbs> click that then spectogram log(f)
[17:43] <ScottM85> ah nice
[17:45] <ScottM85> ok, so if the shortest little bar is 0.02 seconds then the rate is 50 baud right?
[17:45] <chrisstubbs> yep
[17:47] <ScottM85> ok, maybe it's not RTTY
[17:47] <adamgreig> it probably is if it's got two tones and 50 baud
[17:47] <adamgreig> and 425 shiff
[17:48] <ScottM85> yeah, it is 425 shift and 50 baud
[17:48] <ScottM85> at baudot it repeats AJML ZVBLZH
[17:48] <ScottM85> over and over
[17:50] <daveake> Swap USB-LSB, or hit the Rv button
[17:50] <adamgreig> be sure to try ascii-7 and ascii-8
[17:50] <adamgreig> and then yea, try Rv too
[17:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Don't forget N/O/E and set it for 1 stop bit
[17:53] <ScottM85> lol, never mind, it was my Arduino haha
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[17:54] <ScottM85> I dunno how, it is coming up at 434.125 as well as 437.62?
[17:55] <ScottM85> the one at 434.125 works on USB and the other works on LSB?
[17:55] <adamgreig> lol
[17:55] <ScottM85> well that was a waste of time, interesting though
[17:55] <adamgreig> harmonics of your actual signal
[17:55] <adamgreig> this is an ntx2b?
[17:55] <ScottM85> yes
[17:55] <adamgreig> might need a better matched antenna. probably just because you're so close though
[17:56] <ScottM85> well antenna is a piece of wire at the moment lol
[17:57] <ScottM85> will be sure to check that first next time though, thought I had found ET
[17:59] <daveake> Extra Tracker
[17:59] <daveake> not the first time
[18:00] Nick change: rmmm -> richardeoin
[18:04] <adamgreig> wombat was wonderful for this
[18:04] <adamgreig> you could track it at like 8 points in 70cm
[18:04] <adamgreig> and probably plenty elsehwere too
[18:04] <adamgreig> made it easy to find ;)
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[18:08] <mattbrejza> although hard to unlock the car
[18:10] <adamgreig> :P
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[18:35] <myier> is there an easy installation package for dl-fldigi on mac?
[18:36] <myier> a friend on mine tried the mac ports thing, it took two hours to fail
[18:36] <jcoxon> have you tried the binary http://habhub.org/files/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi-DL3.1-macosx-2abd6a7-d955180.zip
[18:37] <myier> I'm checking what he did exactly
[18:37] <myier> oh sorry the issue was not dl-fldigi, it was gqrx
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[19:11] <fsphil> someone needs new internet
[19:11] <daveake> can't think who
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> Maybe it's all of us
[19:12] <Upu> maybe he's connected and we aren...
[19:12] <Upu> t
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[19:14] <DL7AD> ping jcoxon
[19:15] <jcoxon> hey DL7AD
[19:15] <DL7AD> could you send me the link again?
[19:16] <jcoxon> which link?
[19:16] <DL7AD> the wiki link for the lpc810
[19:16] <jcoxon> http://www.ukhas.net/wiki/guides:lpc810_design
[19:17] <DL7AD> jcoxon: thx
[19:17] <daveake> wiki does have a search function :)
[19:20] <DL7AD> daveake: yeah i did not even know the wiki address
[19:20] <daveake> ah
[19:21] <chrisstubbs> jcoxon, any tips for programming from windows?
[19:22] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:22] <chrisstubbs> I tried to use gnuwin32 to make it, without success
[19:22] <jcoxon> http://vilaca.eu/lpc810/
[19:22] <jcoxon> oh right that part
[19:22] <jcoxon> not sure
[19:22] <jcoxon> chrisstubbs, there is #ukhasnet by the way
[19:23] <chrisstubbs> Ah yes :)
[19:24] <myier> how does ukhas net compare to habitat? is it the same? I don't get it
[19:25] <jcoxon> habitat is the server backend for all the balloon tracking stuff
[19:25] <jcoxon> ukhasnet is a plan for a wireless mesh network
[19:26] <craag_philcrump> It's unrelated in all but - it might work for balloons - and there's a massive people overlap.
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[19:30] <myier> ok
[19:31] <myier> since habitat is documented on ukhas, maybe you should consider changing the name of ukhasnet
[19:31] <craag_philcrump> It's a project of UKHAS
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[19:32] <craag_philcrump> So I think the name is fine
[19:32] <myier> ok
[19:32] <craag_philcrump> I'd say habitat is a project of UKHAS (and CUSF)
[19:32] <craag_philcrump> And so is UKHASnet
[19:33] <craag_philcrump> but habitat and UKHASnet aren't really linked practically
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[19:36] <myier> thanks for the explanation :)
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[19:42] <DL7AD> jcoxon: james?
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[19:43] <jcoxon> yes DL7AD
[19:43] <DL7AD> in theory isnt it possible just to use a oridinary serial connection for flashing?
[19:44] <jcoxon> sure
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[19:44] <jcoxon> you need the right software but yeah (and 3.3v)
[19:44] <DL7AD> jcoxon: yes i do
[19:44] <DL7AD> flashmagic?
[19:44] <jcoxon> that'll do it
[19:44] <jcoxon> http://vilaca.eu/lpc810/ explains it quite nicely
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[19:45] <jcoxon> i'm on osx so use lpc21isp
[19:45] <DL7AD> okay i dont have that
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[20:11] <tweetBot> @jamescoxon: Working on gps enabled #UKHASnet node, beer is helping #ukhas http://t.co/9oWLoLubFP
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:19] <myier> see you tomorrow early morning for the flight of STELLA-2!
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> :) cool
[20:20] <myier> 9AM French time, probably 8AM for you in England
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[20:21] <bertrik> myier: nice, what part of france, and what's the prediction for landing site?
[20:21] <myier> Jausiers, France not far from Italy
[20:21] <myier> landing prediction in Italy
[20:21] <myier> near Alba
[20:22] <bertrik> probably way too far for me to help with tracking
[20:22] <bertrik> good luck tomorrow!
[20:23] <myier> thank you!
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[20:31] <Laurenceb> anyone know of a way to force some vspace into the \tableofcontents in latex?
[20:34] <Scott85> what?
[20:35] <Laurenceb> offtopic but i thought someone here might know
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> XD http://9gag.com/gag/a5NNwxy
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[21:14] <Scott85> Laurenceb http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/23036/table-of-contents-adding-a-vertical-space
[21:14] <Laurenceb> yeah read that already thanks
[21:14] <Laurenceb> not doing what i want yet
[21:15] <Laurenceb> so annoying
[21:15] <Laurenceb> i just added some extra pages and the numbers changed in the table of contents
[21:15] <Laurenceb> previously everything aligned perfectly
[21:15] <Laurenceb> it must be 0.01% over some threshold
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[21:18] <Steve_M6SNK> Hiya - if anyone is interested in some example code I have published my software here https://github.com/steven-dodd/naki
[21:18] <Laurenceb> i know...
[21:18] <Laurenceb> i could manually hack the .toc file
[21:19] <Reb-SM0ULC> evening!
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[21:19] <Steve_M6SNK> It all seems to work fine so far - not flown yet though..
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[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> hej Reb-SM0ULC
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[22:02] <DL7AD_mobile> Evening
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[22:04] <DL7AD_mobile> Hi lunar ppmm
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[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[22:49] <DL7AD_mobile2> Gn
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[23:03] <Tony_> Hello?
[23:03] <Tony_> I'm looking for help and advice regarding High Attitude Ballooning
[23:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03edupic1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=edupic1
[23:09] <gonzo__> evening
[23:09] <gonzo__> what countery are you in Tony_
[23:09] <Tony_> The UK
[23:09] <Tony_> Hello!
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[23:10] <DL7AD> morning
[23:10] <gonzo__> your main resourse is the UKHAS wiki
[23:10] <Tony_> Thanks do I need to get permission to launch a Balloon from cambridgeshire?
[23:11] <gonzo__> if the balloon/payload is above 2mtrs in any dimension, at any point in it;s flight, you need permission from the CAA
[23:11] <gonzo__> called a NOTAM
[23:12] <gonzo__> there are a couple of sites that have permenant NOTAMs, but you would have to talk to the site owners directly
[23:12] <Tony_> I'm looking to keep things on the small side, is it possible to launch with dimensions of less than two metres?
[23:12] <gonzo__> otherwise, the CAA will issue them for a specific locatio/period
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[23:13] <Tony_> OK thanks, I saw the Cambridgeshire site had permanent NOTAMs but I don't know who I need to contact for the Ok
[23:13] <gonzo__> flights that stay within the 2mtrs limit, so don't need permission are usually called 'pico' balloons on this group
[23:14] <Tony_> Can pico balloons reach similar heights as larger ones?
[23:14] <gonzo__> join the google group and post an email. And i'm sure the prople will contact you back.
[23:14] <gonzo__> but doing a couple of pico flights is a good way to start.
[23:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Pico balloons will only carry a light payload a few 10's of grams
[23:15] <gonzo__> the usual pico flights use mylar balloons, that only expand so far. Think of something like a big version of the kids silver party balloons
[23:16] <Tony_> I've put a post on google group (though I couldn't find it once I posted it strangely) about a half hour ago. I'll wait to see if there's a reply.
[23:16] <Tony_> Ok thank you.
[23:16] <gonzo__> the lighter the payload, the highert they will go. But you are looking at btween 3km and 10km typically (to get to 10km you need to be really light)
[23:16] <Tony_> I'm looking to send up a couple of go pro cameras
[23:16] <craag_philcrump> The google group is moderated - so it may take a while to trickle through
[23:17] <gonzo__> as a new member your emails may be waiting approval? Not sure.
[23:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> That's NOT light
[23:17] <Tony_> Bigger balloon then?
[23:17] <gonzo__> yep. You will need reasonable size alloon with a NOTAM for go-pro;'s
[23:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Yes
[23:18] <gonzo__> >800gm
[23:18] <Tony_> Right I best apply to the CAA then? Should I do that asap?
[23:18] <gonzo__> but you should get tour tracking system working reliably. So pico flights are a good test bed
[23:18] <gonzo__> your
[23:19] <gonzo__> an application for a notam needs to be about a month before
[23:19] <gonzo__> though you will probaly only get the permission a few days before
[23:19] <Tony_> Ok thank you, so you highly recommend a pico flight (or two) first?
[23:20] <gonzo__> the problem with applying that far ahead, the weather can change, so an application will oftern be for a few weekends
[23:20] <gonzo__> yep, pico's are good fun
[23:20] <gonzo__> and good to test your tracking kit before flying expensive cams
[23:21] <Tony_> Does the tracking system need to be custom made or is there anything off the shelf?
[23:22] <gonzo__> there is not a fully polished tracking beacon avail off the shelf
[23:22] <gonzo__> you need to do some work to get one built
[23:23] <Tony_> OK thank you sounds like I've got a lot of planning to do!
[23:23] <gonzo__> there is an arduino based design out there, but you do need to learn a bit about it to get it working. But if you are wiling to learn, there ate lots on here who will offer advice
[23:24] <gonzo__> yep, you should plan to have a working tracker before doing anything else
[23:25] <gonzo__> and we all advise against relying on anything GSM based. They are OK as a backup, but don't have a good track record (pun?)
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[23:25] <Tony_> Thank you for your advice gonzo. I'm I'll be sure to come back and pick your brains.
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[23:25] <gonzo__> the most reliable is a low power UHF transmitter sending simple telemetry.
[23:25] <gonzo__> you will need a little pick!
[23:26] <Tony_> Thanks for your help. Goodnight.
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