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[04:05] <tweetBot1> @NORB_HAB: A super early start with @eroomde for the long drive down to Greenwich for #ukhas! :)
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[04:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Morning all
[04:52] <Laurenceb> hi
[04:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Just getting going, you too ?
[04:58] <Laurenceb> yup
[04:58] <Laurenceb> leaving in 15 minutes
[04:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Sounds good, I'll be leaving about 06:30
[04:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Coffee eeeeee
[05:08] <Laurenceb> lol my neighbour is cleaning his car
[05:08] <Laurenceb> crazy guy
[05:08] <Laurenceb> i think he started at 5:30
[05:09] <Laurenceb> im never usually around at this time in the morning
[05:09] <Laurenceb> cya later
[05:13] <mattbrejza> i forgot there was two 6 o'clocks in the day
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[05:36] <tweetBot1> @Project_HAB: Preparing to leave for this year's #UKHAS Conference in Royal Greenwich. Watch the fun on: http://t.co/nYE9pFjnd4 from about 10:30BST #hamr
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[05:56] <EwanP> Morning, anyone about or all on their way to the conference?
[05:58] <mfa298> some have left, I'm literally about to walk out the door
[05:58] <mfa298> some lucky people are probably still asleep
[05:58] <mattbrejza> if you are coming, turn on your chasecar :)
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[06:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> I'm travelling, chasing the Conf balloon!
[06:13] <EwanP> Out in 20 min. Just DL the chase app but not sure it will work so well on the tube :
[06:24] <tweetBot1> @stratodean: En route to Greenwich for the #ukhas conference! http://t.co/ICj11C8cZU
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[06:27] <chrisstubbs> Morning all
[06:28] <MaXimaN_> Morning
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[06:32] <MaXimaN> Just time for some toast and then off to the conference :)
[06:33] <tweetBot1> @jamescoxon: Setting off for #ukhas conference, see everyone soon
[06:34] <daveake> morning campers
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[06:35] <chrisstubbs> Morning Dave
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[06:36] <chrisstubbs> Time for my yearly ride on public transport
[06:37] <craag_philcrump> Soton contingent mobile and listening 145.200
[06:37] <daveake> haha me too
[06:37] <craag_philcrump> (that band that's 2/3 of the way to DC)
[06:37] <daveake> I needed instructions yesterday to get on the train
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[06:40] <tweetBot1> @Project_HAB: This is how I like train carriages! On the way to #UKHAS Conference 2014 http://t.co/m946Oi5eSc
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[07:12] <tweetBot1> @daveake: The only valid start to the #UKHAS conference day. http://t.co/iHhrgZuZ2c
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[07:39] <tweetBot1> @daveake: Greenwich seems to be a popular destination this morning #UKHAS http://t.co/CLA5ZGBBKC
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[07:42] <tweetBot1> @Project_HAB: Bagsy first person at #UKHAS venue!
[07:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> About 30 minutes for me!
[07:44] <tweetBot1> @jamescoxon: Swapped car for bus, old fav the 188 #ukhas conference, @AnthonyStirk do we have badges?
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[08:00] <chrisstubbs> I'm at canary wharf
[08:00] <chrisstubbs> Not long now!
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[08:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> All here being labelled!
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[08:13] <astrobiologist2> morning all. just got off a dlr smelling heavily of fish. tried a few cqs on 145.2 earlier but nobody heard me
[08:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> There's a few listening
[08:21] <astrobiologist2> hmm, the last couple of cqs I have received a strong signal of some sort but it hasn't broken through the squelch. maybe I'm using the wrong modulation? I'm on narrowband FM
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[08:29] <fsphil> morning from greenwich
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[08:29] <WB8ELK> Morning....wish I could be there...will try to listen in via the streaming video
[08:31] <x-f> morning, i'd like to be there too with you all today
[08:31] <astrobiologist2> ah... there was a CT tone set. I'll try one more cq, I'm just outside the bogs
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[08:32] <astrobiologist2> yay it works
[08:33] <fsphil> lol
[08:34] <fsphil> I brought my uv3r but it seems the microphone in it is deaf
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[08:34] <astrobiologist2> my first ever 2m cq... will I always have to stand outside the bogs in greenwich uni to get it to work?
[08:35] <fsphil> yes the building was designed that way
[08:35] <fsphil> little known fact that
[08:36] <astrobiologist2> fsphil I have a uv3r as well but I am using my th-f7e today. I found the manual on the uv3r very short, if anything that is the main problem with it I thought
[08:37] <fsphil> yea the manual is.. lacking
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[08:58] <tweetBot1> @Project_HAB: Incredibly small trackers from Leo Bodnar (right) & Sven Steudte (left) at #UKHAS Conference 2014 http://t.co/9SKVHMImGp
[08:58] <lz1dev> 1/fq 13
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[09:17] <G8GKQ> Have the presentations started? Dave
[09:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> just about t start
[09:17] <G8GKQ> Thanks!
[09:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> weve trooped into the seminar room
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[09:20] <astrobiologist2> phones to silent
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[09:20] <Guest62248> Any ustream video of the conference talks ?
[09:21] <DanielRichman> http://stream.ukhas.org.uk
[09:22] <Guest62248> Ok .. So not streaming yet or I need a PC rather than ipad ?
[09:22] <fsphil> I don't believe the first talk is being streamed
[09:22] <Guest62248> Ok thx
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[09:23] <G8GKQ> You do need a PC as it's flash video, but the streaming hasn't started yet
[09:24] <eroomde> james is just rabbiting
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[09:25] <Guest62248> Ok thx
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[09:25] <eroomde> there won't be a live stream of the first talk
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[09:31] <Joekul> Good morning conferencers! Anyone here seeing the live stream?
[09:31] <fsphil> it's not streaming just yet
[09:31] <Joekul> thanks!
[09:32] <eroomde> it should start at about 11am BST
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[09:42] <ren_> 10:42 and no video stream?
[09:42] <fsphil> about 11am-ish
[09:42] <PE2G> Any ALMA crew here?
[09:42] <ren_> thank you i will keep watching
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[09:55] <myier> Is it possible to post on the google group without having a gmail account?
[09:55] <myier> I'd like to annoucne a flight, hoping that listeners in the area will notice it
[09:56] <fsphil> yea, you can subscribe without a google account
[09:57] <myier> I don't find how, can you help?
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[09:58] <mclane> no ukhas conference streaming?
[09:59] <fsphil> myier: send an email to ukhas+subscribe@googlegroups.com
[09:59] <G0HDI> 11 ish apparently
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[10:00] <fsphil> definitly ISH
[10:00] <ren_> the lack of punctuality is very annoying
[10:01] <eroomde> you'll get over it
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[10:02] <myier> thanks!
[10:03] <eroomde> the next talk will be streamed once this one has finished
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[10:04] <G0HDI> First one top secret lol
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[10:08] <mc-_> has the conference started, or am I not hearing any audio?
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[10:09] <fsphil> the stream will appear in a moment
[10:09] <eroomde> the stream is jsut about to start
[10:09] <fsphil> top men are working on it as we speak
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[10:12] <myier> it's quite loud
[10:12] <myier> but that's better than not enough
[10:13] <Reb-SM0ULC> helo
[10:13] <fsphil> how is the audio now?
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[10:14] <mc-_> good audio now
[10:14] <fsphil> good good
[10:14] <Jerry__> thats great
[10:14] <ENIAC> ahh.. finally
[10:14] <Reb-SM0ULC> fsphil: works fine
[10:14] <G0HDI> Super!
[10:14] <fsphil> the elite BATC team are on the case
[10:15] <ENIAC> would be nice to see the slides
[10:15] <mclane> nice, will the slides also be shown?
[10:15] <qyx_> uuuu
[10:15] <qyx_> slides \o/
[10:15] <ENIAC> tnx :-)
[10:15] <fsphil> haha
[10:15] <mclane> perfect!!
[10:16] <qyx_> there is also some aspect ratio problem
[10:16] <fsphil> yea the projector is 16:9
[10:17] <eroomde> take a rolling pin to your monitor
[10:17] <myier> wow fading the slides
[10:17] <qyx_> no, i mean the video
[10:19] <Joekul> PiP..you rock!
[10:19] <myier> yeah!
[10:19] <Joekul> Interesting presentation, BTW!
[10:20] <myier> I assume there's not too much spam on the google group?
[10:21] <fsphil> nope
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[10:22] <myier> I didn't get the start, is he talking about the predict.habhub?
[10:22] <eroomde> yes
[10:22] <mclane> yes
[10:23] <tweetBot1> @BoltonSchTech: Gone to the #ukhas international conference today in Greenwich to learn more about high altitude ballooning. Very interesting.
[10:24] <myier> that did not seem that complicated from a user stand point! Nice to see the internals
[10:25] <Reb-SM0ULC> a hour to push a file? how big are they?
[10:25] <mfa298> many GB (around 20GB I think)
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[10:26] <Reb-SM0ULC> ah, not tiny
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[10:29] <tweetBot1> @Project_HAB: Adam Greig shows us updates on the CUSF Predictor at #UKHAS Conference 2014 http://t.co/G12MtOkud9
[10:31] <tweetBot1> @Project_HAB: @Project_HAB: Adam Greig shows us updates on the CUSF Predictor at #UKHAS Conference 2014 http://t.co/MSrriL1T33
[10:31] <Joekul> Runge-Kutta! I remember implementing that for an university exam 20 years ago on an HP-48SX :)
[10:33] <Trieste> um, is there a direct URL I could load into a media player of my choice rather than using the flash applet?
[10:33] <Trieste> for the stream I mean
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[10:34] <Reb-SM0ULC> Trieste: would be great yeah.. my window is like 3x4 cm...
[10:35] <Reb-SM0ULC> is the python code bytecompiled? anyone knows?
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[10:37] <mc-_> they are using cython, so it's compiled to go faster than python
[10:37] <Reb-SM0ULC> ah
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[10:42] <Marcel_> Alma-1 will launch around 13:30 local time. We're waiting for the rain to pass
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[10:42] <Marcel_> About 11:30 GMT
[10:42] <PE2G> Marcel_: Tnx for the info and good luck!
[10:42] <bertrik> Marcel_: nice to hear!
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[10:45] <G0HDI> No auto configure Alma1. Any more info please freq/bd/shift etc etc
[10:46] <PE2G> G0HDI: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/8ldm_Hgf8I0
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[10:47] <G0HDI> Thanks!
[10:48] <DanielRichman> Reb-SM0ULC: Cython takes something that looks like Python, but with some type annotations, and translate its to C, which is then compiled by gcc & linked into Python
[10:48] <Joekul> that's an angry bird tower :)
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[10:51] <Reb-SM0ULC> DanielRichman: aha, i've missed out on cython totally. thanks for the info!
[10:52] <Joekul> Question for the end: the SDR config files on github seem to use no-tuner-gain, and no RTL-gain. Why
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[10:56] <PE2G> DanielRichman: Thank you for the interesting lecture. When will the hourly predictor be integrated in the 'normal' predictor?
[10:56] <Reb-SM0ULC> A great thanks to the suws guys!
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[10:57] <eroomde> daniel's laptop is down atm but it will be PE2G
[10:57] <PE2G> OK thanks, eroomde
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[11:02] <WB8ELK> I seem to have neglected Daylight Savings Time adjustment in the UK so I missed a lot. Any of these presentations available as recordings? Will the BATC have them as archives?
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[11:04] <x-f> there were presentations on Predictor and WebSDR, Dan's talk wasn't webcasted
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[11:04] <x-f> from the mailinglist: "The streams will also be recorded locally and available on the batc.tv archives after the event."
[11:05] <WB8ELK> Thanks....that will allow me to go back to bed :-)
[11:06] <ENIAC> About the afternoos sessions: which one will be streamed, the Main Lecture or the "side room"? I would like to hear/see the presentation about the "PI in the Sky"
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[11:12] <astrobiologist2> arghhhhh! no airborne aprs still! annoyed
[11:12] <F1VJQ> a bit more gain on speaker's mike please?
[11:13] <myier> is it correct to say flight chain in english?
[11:13] <myier> for all the things below the balloon
[11:13] <x-f> payload train, but i'm not English speaker :)
[11:14] <F1VJQ> Bless you sneezy!
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[11:15] <F1VJQ> myier payload train seems OK to me, and I'm a native English speaker
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[11:19] <bertrik> bah, looks like QRM on 434.650 (ALMA-1) minutes before launch :|
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[11:20] <PE2G> bertrik: Pitty. Freq is quiet here, for a change
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[11:21] <G8JNJ> Frequency OK on SWUS WEB SDR too
[11:22] <G8JNJ> http://websdr.suws.org.uk/
[11:22] <myier> ok thanks
[11:24] <PE2G> ALMA-1 is on the map
[11:27] <myier> wouldn't that be easier to just build a new transmitter from scratch than trying to make something good with a RFM22B? (I've missed the beginning again)
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[11:29] <qyx_> you would hardly build something that integrated
[11:30] <qyx_> although rfm22 is pretty old
[11:30] <bertrik> PE2G: looking forward to tracking it!
[11:31] <myier> I'm not a specialist, but from what I saw people here have built I would have thought it was accessible
[11:31] <bertrik> looks like they will have a bit of driving to do today :)
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[11:31] <PE2G> bertrik: yeah, hopefully all goes well, quite some wind there
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[11:32] <PE2G> 7 m/s from the W at De Kooy
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[11:34] <qyx_> myier: of course, but you cannot expect that someone will put transmitter and fully digital receiver in 4x4mm QFN chip
[11:35] <myier> ok
[11:35] <qyx_> and if anyone is building custom hardware without HopeRF modules, he is probably using the same chips too
[11:35] <myier> yes but maybe some components can be modified for temperature stability
[11:36] <qyx_> yes, they can
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[11:40] <Reb-SM0ULC> it off?
[11:40] <Reb-SM0ULC> sri
[11:40] <Reb-SM0ULC> alma on the go
[11:42] <bertrik> it's still on the ground I think
[11:42] <Reb-SM0ULC> mm
[11:42] <Reb-SM0ULC> seems so
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[11:48] <G8JNJ> Eagle 2 $50 sat will be next in range at 13:48 BST 12:48 GMT / Z 437.505MHz +/- Doppler
[11:49] <F1VJQ> Current position >> http://www.satview.org/?sat_id=39436U
[11:51] <G8JNJ> http://www.50dollarsat.info/
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[11:58] <marcel_> alma-1
[11:58] <marcel_> is flying
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[11:59] <Reb-SM0ULC> bertrik: alma at 600 m
[11:59] <bertrik> great!
[12:00] <PE2G> ALMA-1 on 434.651.5
[12:00] <Reb-SM0ULC> what is the 'lyrics' variable?? :)
[12:00] <myier> haha
[12:01] <myier> nice one
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[12:03] <marcel_> high adrenaline here...
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[12:03] <bertrik> PE2G: what shift do you see?
[12:04] <PE2G> 540 H
[12:04] <PE2G> Hz
[12:04] <bertrik> marcel_: congrats!
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[12:05] <bertrik> first green decode at revspace
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[12:08] <F1VJQ> Bon appetit.....
[12:09] <PE2G> bertrik: Shift 510 Hz here
[12:11] <PC1PCL_> what are the other parameters for the signal, e.g. bps?
[12:11] <bertrik> ok, using that here too now
[12:11] <bertrik> 50 bps, 7N1
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[12:12] <PE2G> PC1PCL_: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/8ldm_Hgf8I0
[12:13] <PE2G> 434.652 MHz for 1080 Hz center
[12:14] <PC1PCL_> Thanks. signal seems to be getting better here now, still reds but atleast more or less recognizable.
[12:14] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Signal of Alma-1 is strong here in Leusden
[12:15] <bertrik> oh, it's predicted to land in germany now ...
[12:16] <PE2G> Wonderfully stable signal from ALMA
[12:16] <myier> is the mailing list moderated? I don't see my message
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[12:16] <Vostok_> using gmail?
[12:17] <myier> using a regular email
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[12:18] <Reb-SM0ULC> myier: ah you mean hotmail?
[12:18] <x-f> if this is the first time you sent an email to the list, then it's in the moderation queue
[12:18] <Reb-SM0ULC> ;)
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[12:19] <bertrik> ascent rate of ALMA-1 seems a little low
[12:19] <myier> no no, a real one :)
[12:19] <myier> ok x-f
[12:22] <Reb-SM0ULC> about batc.. stream takes 90KB/s for a "still frame" ?
[12:24] <qyx_> it is using some funny codec
[12:24] <x-f> it's a live still picture :)
[12:25] <fsphil> most of those bits are encoding noise
[12:26] <Reb-SM0ULC> fsphil: you mean no "clean" input? since like a pic shouldn't have any noise
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[12:26] <PE1CME> ALMA-1 will be landing in my backyard
[12:27] <myier> oh there's also copenhagen suborbitals broadcast of their new engine firing live today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjkfnOzTCCM
[12:27] <Reb-SM0ULC> A big thanks the guys fixning the streaming anyway. Much appreciated!
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[12:27] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> That would be great PE1CME
[12:27] <myier> http://copsub.com/
[12:29] <qyx_> all video frames ale inter-frames
[12:29] <qyx_> VP6 codec
[12:29] <qyx_> doesn't look sane
[12:29] <qyx_> or maybe i am misreading something
[12:30] <pd7r> Good to see Major Tom is still alive
[12:30] <myier> great my email went through
[12:30] <pd7r> Thanks to ALMA
[12:35] <marcel_> ALMA chase is on its way. Towards germany...
[12:36] <bertrik> burst is now predicted near zutphen
[12:36] <PE1CME> I'll catch it for you. Marcel, hihi
[12:37] <marcel_> Bertrik: indeed bit low ascent rate. Helium bottle was empty before we reached required 1200 gram necklift.
[12:39] <G0HDI> What is the burst height predicted please
[12:39] <marcel_> PE1CME: we have beer for the lucky finder!
[12:39] <PE2G> Maybe it'll become a floater...
[12:40] <marcel_> Hope not. Predicted burst altitude 25km
[12:40] <PE1CME> marcel: do you have beer in the chase car?
[12:40] <Ron_G8FJG1621> first reds here near london for ALMA1
[12:40] <G0HDI> ok
[12:40] <marcel_> yes, 6pack
[12:40] <PE1CME> ok
[12:41] <PE2G> marcel_: What type of balloon is it?
[12:41] <PE1CME> here there is very strong widthband QRM on 434.652 MHz
[12:43] <pd7r> The signal in Hilversum is strong and clear
[12:44] <PE1CME> signal here is S4-5
[12:44] <marcel_> its a rubber balloon of scientific sales
[12:44] <PE2G> Totex?
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[12:46] <marcel_> Don't know the brand. 600grams
[12:47] <bertrik> the FSK shift seems a little lower now, I have 470-480 Hz now
[12:47] <pd7r> yep 480 here
[12:48] <bertrik> a very stable signal
[12:49] <PC1PCL_> at my QTH here in Den Haag seems to fade in and out, although the 'average' strength has gone up so it is pretty much green packets every time.
[12:49] <myier> probably it'll go higher since it not as much filled as expected
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[12:51] <PE2G> Burst alt 30km (launch time not correct): http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=4d75f04762ce6d941358a30099c4c84b41971f12
[12:51] <DL7AD> hi
[12:53] <Ron_G8FJG1621> greens for ALMA1 in london
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[12:54] <PE2G> Congrats Ron_G8FJG1621. What's the range?
[12:54] <Ron_G8FJG1621> 382.6km
[12:54] <PE2G> Nice
[12:58] <PC1PCL_> 10 km up
[12:58] <bertrik> and clear of the ijsselmeer
[12:59] <PC1PCL_> still have those edge-lakes on te other side though, but llooks like they won't be an issue.
[13:01] <PE2G> Speed around 100 km/h now: http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/ALMA-1#g/_speed
[13:01] <F1VJQ> Anyone have the freq of G-06?
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[13:03] <F1VJQ> last seen yesterday, but headed this way
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[13:04] <bertrik> 13 receivers for ALMA-1 already :)
[13:04] <G0HDI> 434.512 for G-06
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[13:05] <F1VJQ> G0HDI OK I'll have a look thanks
[13:05] <on4bhm> how come my antenna is not visible on spacenear.us ??
[13:05] <on4bhm> i'm tracking and decoding fine
[13:06] <G0HDI> rtty 300/470 7n2
[13:06] <F1VJQ> G0HDI it probably ran out of battery.. nothing heard here
[13:07] <PE1CME> on4bhm: are you on-line?
[13:07] <G0HDI> No. I lost it yesterday 19:59 local
[13:08] <PE2G> on4bhm: DL Client > Configure > Location > enter your co-ordinates and click Save
[13:08] <myier> wow nice graphs PE2G, again something awesome from habhub that I did not know about
[13:08] <G0HDI> Hope footprint of ALMA-1 gets to me. Near Portsmouth
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[13:09] <PE2G> myier: Graphs are by x-f, also here I believe
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[13:13] <on4bhm> nice of ALMA-1 to tell a story with the lyrics..... cool
[13:14] <on4bhm> how do i enter long and lat? as decimal numbers?
[13:14] <Ron_G8FJG1621> yes decimal no.s
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[13:16] <ALMA_1> 13 trackers! Thanks! We have only 6 beers
[13:16] <Ron_G8FJG1621> ON4bhm east is +
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[13:17] <on4bhm> i'm at 51°10'33,5 and 4°09'05,7
[13:17] <on4bhm> how do i enter them?
[13:17] <PC1PCL_> you can zoom in or your QTH with googlemaps, then take the numbers from the link in the url.
[13:18] <x-f> on4bhm, 51.1759722, 4.1515833
[13:19] <G8JNJ> What Baud rate & Bits is Alam-1 using ?
[13:19] <G8JNJ> Doesn't seem to be listed on HAS callendar
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[13:20] <PC1PCL_> 50 bps, 7 N 1
[13:20] <PC1PCL_> shift is now about 470,
[13:20] <PE2G> G8JNJ: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/8ldm_Hgf8I0
[13:20] <G8JNJ> OK thanks now decoding via SUWS WEB SDR
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[13:21] <G8JNJ> http://websdr.suws.org.uk/
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[13:21] <PC1PCL_> looks like the shif is getting less as the ballon goes higher, probably will have to tighten it a little again ..
[13:21] <G8JNJ> Soon will be 'floating in a tin can'
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[13:23] <on4bhm> upload listenener telemetry sucessful
[13:23] <x-f> Copenhagen Suborbitals test firing in 5 minutes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjkfnOzTCCM
[13:23] <on4bhm> still no antenna at my position
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[13:24] <PC1PCL_> did you 'apply' or just save?
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[13:24] <on4bhm> both
[13:24] <x-f> on4bhm, you are there, your map probably hasn't updated yet
[13:25] <x-f> you can reload it or just wait a bit more
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[13:25] <PC1PCL_> yeah, your antenna-tower shows for me too now.
[13:25] <on4bhm> ok
[13:26] <on4bhm> but not for myself!
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[13:29] <myier> one minute to firing
[13:29] <myier> oh x-f mentionned it already
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[13:30] <myier> well it didn't went right
[13:30] <HB9RSU> I guess something went wrong ... at copenhagen
[13:31] <x-f> "Lars Bjerregaard: Some problem. All systems haveÿ been shut down." :(
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[13:31] <tweetBot1> @AMSAT_UK: #UKHAS Conference presentations streaming at http://t.co/582tqYCEvB #amsat #hamradio #hamr
[13:32] <x-f> at least UKHAS conference stream is back
[13:33] <rob_m0dts> is the dsp lecture being recorded too, i guess not?
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[13:34] <mfa298> rob_m0dts: unfotunately I think not
[13:34] <fsphil> nope
[13:34] <rob_m0dts> ok, a shame, enjoyed the GPS lecture last year.
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[13:39] <HB9RSU> I got one of those PI n the Sky's last week
[13:40] <x-f> "Copenhagen Suborbitals: It appears we had a burn-throuhÿ of the engine, but it is not confirmed."
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[13:41] <craag_philcrump> rob_m0dts: Slides + code may be available later
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[13:43] <F0EQE> ALMA-1 frequency pse ???
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[13:44] <PE2G> 434.651.7 MHz
[13:45] <F0EQE> PE2G TNX
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[13:55] <F0EQE> alma-1 mode RTTY HAB 50 ?
[13:56] <PE2G> F0EQE: yes: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/8ldm_Hgf8I0
[13:56] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> RTTY 50 7N2 500
[13:56] <PE2G> ALMA-1 almost stationary in that area till burst
[13:57] <PC1PCL_> actual shift is about 470 now
[13:59] <pd7r> 20km now
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[14:01] <F0EQE> ok very good copy
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[14:07] <Jerry___> Can someone please ask Dave if the pi in the sky board logs the flight data on the SD card?
[14:08] <HB9RSU> just redirect the stdout to a file or so...
[14:09] <HB9RSU> But currently the SSDV stuff is not working on my board. But it's maybe an issue on my side
[14:14] <F1VJQ> Sound not good without lapel mikes
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[14:15] <F1VJQ> That's better - thanks
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[14:21] <ALMA-1> Near Apeldoorn now, close to expected landing spot.
[14:22] <PE1CME> ALMA-1: my backyard?
[14:22] <x-f> Upu, lz1dev is from Bulgaria
[14:22] <ALMA-1> Laptop is running out of battery though
[14:23] <ALMA-1> PE1CME: We are aiming at your backyard
[14:23] <PE1CME> ALMA-1: oké
[14:23] <ALMA-1> If balloon bursts, ascent rate is worrying
[14:23] <PC1PCL_> the spacenear.us has the bullseye right over your antenna...
[14:23] <G0HDI> Feint signals from ALMA-1 now on 434.652
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[14:27] <Reb-SM0ULC> did he mention vbcable?
[14:28] <x-f> yep
[14:28] <PC1PCL_> yeah I think so.
[14:28] <Reb-SM0ULC> good :)
[14:29] <x-f> just this week i discovered it can be used as three virtual audio cards, not just one
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[14:33] <bertrik> lovely how a balloon like ALMA behaves almost exactly as predicted
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[14:35] <SpeedEvil> -p;l:)
[14:37] <x-f> UKHASNET talk will be streamed too?
[14:38] <x-f> if jcoxon stays where he is then looks so
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[14:47] <PC1PCL_> 30 km and another round of lyrics..
[14:48] <bertrik> very nice
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[14:50] <G8AFC> Very respectable signal from ALMA-1 in W Manchester.
[14:53] <G8JNJ> Hi Paul - fancy meeting you here - Martin G8JNJ
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[14:54] <G8AFC> Small world :)
[14:54] Nick change: Scott -> Guest99564
[14:54] <G8JNJ> :-)
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[14:59] <myier> hehe go for 35km! )
[14:59] <Marcel_> Alma much higher than calculated...
[14:59] <myier> it's because it's less inflated
[14:59] <myier> slower but higher
[15:00] <edmoore> jcoxon in full flow http://i.imgur.com/9FPG7TE.jpg
[15:00] <Marcel_> The chase team is eating apple pie in Lochum now
[15:00] <pd7r> eet smakelijk
[15:00] <PC1PCL_> lekkah..
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[15:01] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Toef slagroom erop
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[15:07] <bertrik> 28 unique listeners so far for ALMA-1
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[15:09] <PE2G> ALMA burst
[15:09] <pd7r> Yep
[15:09] <PE1CME> ALMA-1 burst
[15:10] <PE1CME> 34658 M
[15:10] <PC1PCL_> just shy of 35 km
[15:10] <Marcel_> Party time
[15:10] <myier> nice :)
[15:11] <bertrik> wow -74 m/s
[15:11] <bertrik> eek -107 m/s
[15:12] <edmoore> they fall quickly initially
[15:12] <myier> go for mach 1! :D
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[15:12] <pd7r> 10km in 2 minutes?
[15:12] <PE1CME> ustable signal now, drifting up and down
[15:12] <bertrik> it was -125 m/s briefly
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[15:14] <bertrik> already dropped by half the max altitude now :)
[15:15] <edmoore> it's quite hard to get to mach 1
[15:15] <edmoore> (about 250m/s in the stratosphere)
[15:15] <edmoore> well, not hard, if you designed it to have a high ballistic coefficient, but most polystyrene boxes won't get close
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[15:18] <F1VJQ> Q U E S T I O N for jcoxon - what sort of range is envisaged for a node.
[15:19] <bertrik> FSK shift shrunk a lot in the past few minutes, I guess because of temperature
[15:20] <PC1PCL_> Yeah it seems to be temperature-influenced, colder: less shift.
[15:20] <bertrik> also, ALMA-1 just passed 1000 messages
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[15:20] <PE1CME> I set the shift on 430 HZ now
[15:20] <PC1PCL_> That'
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[15:21] <PC1PCL_> s wha tI have too, got my second green of the descent-phase..
[15:21] <edmoore> F1VJQ, did you hear that?
[15:21] <F1VJQ> edmoore yes thanks... interested in range on ground to link nodes - I may be able to put a gateway up in autumn.
[15:21] <Reb-SM0ULC> Q U E S T I O N for jcoxon - How are the thoughts on naming? When there will be a lot of them...
[15:21] <edmoore> i suspect line-of-sight
[15:21] <edmoore> at that frequency
[15:22] <F1VJQ> edmoore OK good LoS from Essex towards Kent :-)
[15:22] <edmoore> or across the channel
[15:23] <F1VJQ> edmoore.. OK I speak to jcoxon in autumn about a gateway...I'm on 350' ridge in Brentwood when in UK
[15:23] <edmoore> Reb-SM0ULC, do you mean stopping clashes and so on?
[15:24] <Reb-SM0ULC> edmoore: mm, no, like user-nr.. or similar
[15:24] <Reb-SM0ULC> edmoore: to avoid collisions etc
[15:25] <edmoore> i think at the moment it is like with hab - the volume will hopefully be low enough that it doesn't become a problem
[15:27] <Reb-SM0ULC> edmoore: right, but with sensors.. i think it's probable that the ones building.. will have >>1 and the will be running all time instead of up/down hab..
[15:27] <bertrik> ALMA-1 is coming down a bit fast
[15:27] <Reb-SM0ULC> edmoore: no problem to fix when that happens i guess..
[15:27] <edmoore> i guess
[15:28] <edmoore> i think james said the names could be up to 16 chars
[15:28] <edmoore> which is 256^16 possible names
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[15:28] <edmoore> well no sorry, they probably can't use all of ascii-8
[15:28] <Reb-SM0ULC> edmoore: then no problem :)
[15:28] <edmoore> but lots^16
[15:28] <PC1PCL_> has to be human readable, so probably only 26 letters 10 digits and a few dash-variants.
[15:28] <edmoore> see above :)
[15:29] <Reb-SM0ULC> edmoore: ipv6 names ;)
[15:29] <on4bhm> was there a gopro in alma-1?
[15:29] <HB9RSU> ALMA smoothly follows the pedicted line... I am impressed
[15:30] <PC1PCL_> also, I guess you could use one call-sign for routing and a sub-callsign in the actual data..
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[15:30] <PE2G> I lost ALMA at 445 m
[15:30] <bertrik> nice job PE2G
[15:31] <PE1CME> I lost it also on 445 m
[15:31] <F1VJQ> PE2G Heavy landing at that speed!!
[15:31] <PE2G> At 445 m: N52.135557 E06.069422
[15:31] <PC1PCL_> packet 1032 was the last I more or less heard..
[15:31] <pd7r> looks like it landed in a field
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[15:32] <PE2G> IF1VJQ: Yes, it's probably very near to the last decode
[15:32] <PE1CME> Packet 1040 was the last one here
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[15:33] <PE2G> PE1CME: The same here
[15:33] <HB9RSU> probably landet on a field an not in a town
[15:33] <PE1CME> PE2G: its almost the same distance
[15:33] <PE2G> PE1CME: Are you going to the landing area?
[15:34] <PE1CME> PE2G: no, i'm not going
[15:34] <PE1CME> PE2G: no beer for me today(HI)
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[15:36] <bertrik> descent was only 20 minutes :)
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[15:38] <HB9RSU> so called Lithobreaking
[15:39] <PC1PCL_> Let's hope it landed soft-enough.
[15:40] <F1VJQ> Thankyou jcoxon. I'd be interested in hosting a well sited gateway or node in Essex after Octber.
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[16:15] <bertrik> I wonder how the recovery of ALMA-1 is going
[16:16] <tweetBot1> @daveake: Relaxing at the bar after a great day at the #UKHAS conference http://t.co/82D7JzkcM5
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[16:21] <PE2G> bertrik: Yeah, none of the crew is here anymore
[16:23] <PE2G> bertrik: There's a position update on the map by one of the crew. At ground level
[16:24] <PE2G> So I take it: payload recovered :)
[16:25] <Scott85> some bargains on Farnell, if you haven't seen them http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/bespoke/bespoke2.jsp?bespokepage=cpc/en_CC/special_offers/bargains/bargain_tools.jsp
[16:26] <Scott85> also dancing cat is a bargain
[16:26] <Scott85> http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=LH0301661&N=0
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[16:46] <bertrik> PE2G: I thought "hey a row of trees", it'll probably end up there :)
[16:46] <bertrik> because tree = HAB magnet
[16:46] <PE2G> You're right :)
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[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> hope it was a good conference :D
[17:04] <tweetBot1> @Matt_J_Holmes: Another fantastic #UKHAS conf. Great to see what people are up to. Thanks to @AnthonyStirk @JamesCoxon and everyone else who made it happen.
[17:04] <Lunar_Lander> thanks tweetbot :P
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[17:13] <marcel_> good news. we recovered ALMA-1 15 minutes ago, in a puddle
[17:14] <marcel_> gorpo was missing, but we found it 20 m away, under water
[17:14] <marcel_> before our battery goes out: thanks all for helping track
[17:14] <marcel_> eventually we got a reading witht he DGTB antenna just 200m away from the landing spot
[17:14] <marcel_> parachute was missing!
[17:15] <marcel_> the line was broken. the metal swival broke
[17:15] <marcel_> so we're not 100% sure if we had a burst, or the swivel broke at high altitude
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[17:17] <bertrik> good to hear you recovered it
[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> marcel_, good job!
[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> hope his GoPro still works
[17:18] <bertrik> it came down at about 13 m/s
[17:18] <marcel_> last reading from us: http://i.imgur.com/FEi00a0.png
[17:19] <Lunar_Lander> did you see the GoPro from the Copenhagen Suborbitals Engine test?
[17:19] <Lunar_Lander> the scorched one
[17:19] <marcel_> from there we walked, climbed some barbed wire, waded through some water
[17:19] <marcel_> yes, chute was missing
[17:19] <marcel_> anyway. we're driving home now
[17:19] <marcel_> laptop battery is at 4%
[17:19] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[17:19] <marcel_> more later
[17:19] <marcel_> no charger here...
[17:19] <bertrik> thanks for the update
[17:19] <Lunar_Lander> where doe the And there's nothing in the dl-fldigi come from?
[17:19] <marcel_> something for next time...
[17:19] <Lunar_Lander> see you soon marcel_!
[17:20] <marcel_> bye
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> what's the oscilloscope like thing to the right of the waterfall?
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> is that a new version thing?
[17:24] <x-f> Lunar_Lander, the tracker was singing a song about Major Tom
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[17:25] <x-f> you can get that oscilloscope under View -> Docked scope
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[17:32] <Lunar_Lander> thanks x-f
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[17:59] <yo9ict> Hi, can someone help me with a DRC in eagle? I have some errors regarding clearance
[18:01] <qyx_> so there is a clearance problem.. erroneous areas should be highlighted
[18:01] <qyx_> post a screenshot at least
[18:02] <yo9ict> Yes, but the actual clearance is bigger that the rule...why it gives me error ?
[18:02] <yo9ict> http://postimg.org/image/6p5n1apjr/
[18:02] <yo9ict> The grid is 6 mil and the clearance rule is also 6 mil
[18:04] <qyx_> hm, you have more than 9 mils between pads then
[18:06] <qyx_> and yor DRC clearance settings window?
[18:06] <yo9ict> For clearance, different signals 6 mil all the way
[18:06] <yo9ict> The DRC rule is from hackvana
[18:08] <qyx_> check your grid multiple value
[18:08] <qyx_> menu view > grid
[18:08] <yo9ict> thats is 1
[18:09] <qyx_> nah, i don't have any other suggestions then :)
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[18:14] <yo9ict> Ok, thank you anyway :)
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[18:17] <yo9ict> I think the problem is bigger, because I get errors also on width
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/CopSub/status/500664066248278017/photo/1
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> At least you don't tend to get this problem with balloons
[18:21] <Lunar_Lander> true
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[18:22] <qyx_> yo9ict: units mismatch?
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[18:50] <yo9ict> units mismatch...how to check this?
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[18:57] <tweetBot1> @daveake: Sunset to the #UKHAS day http://t.co/DugQHJSeiN
[19:02] <tweetBot1> @fsphil: Thanks to everyone at UKHAS 2014 for the great day! #ukhas http://t.co/mgmwF68nde
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> yo9ict, in the field for the DRC, the values can either be mil or mm
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> I think that is what he means
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[19:12] <yo9ict> http://postimg.org/image/hh3fkb6q1/
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[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> hmm
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> got the same settings
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> strange
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> and the grid also is set to mils?
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[19:33] <yo9ict> Yes, mils also
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> strange
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[19:35] <arjun12> where are the conference video archives?
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[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> xD yay
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[19:54] <arjun12> Hi
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[19:55] <arjun12> where are the 2014 conference video archives?
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[20:02] <SpeedEvil> I think someone gave them to Leo. Unfortunately, that means they're now in Chile.
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[20:11] <SpeedEvil> http://nzwifi2.thruhere.net.nz/Information/Antenna/Build%20your%20own%202_4Ghz%2015dbi%20Yagi_files/yagihead.jpg
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[20:42] <bertrik> marcel_: back at home I suppose, did you get the photos and/or movies from the HAB launch today?
[20:44] <marcel_> yes, bad news about those
[20:44] <marcel_> payload was turning extremly fast
[20:44] <marcel_> but worse: filming stopped after approx 15 minutes or so
[20:45] <marcel_> I did something really stupid
[20:45] <bertrik> oh, pity
[20:45] <marcel_> last night I tested the battery once more, by filming all night
[20:45] <marcel_> and this morning I forgot to remove that data from the card :-(
[20:45] <marcel_> card full...
[20:46] <SpeedEvil> doh
[20:46] <marcel_> I might get some good stills from the movie
[20:46] <marcel_> i will sort it out tomrrow
[20:46] <SpeedEvil> Good luck
[20:46] <marcel_> we have 2 more balloons
[20:47] <marcel_> lots of things went wrong today. lots of things went ok
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[21:35] <myier> marcel_: glad you recovered it, too bad for the gopro and parachute :(
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[21:36] <marcel_> thank you!
[21:36] <marcel_> just a good excuse to plan another launch
[21:36] <myier> GoPro has a nice ability to have still images even when moving fast
[21:36] <myier> yes :)
[21:37] <marcel_> but I'm glad we didn't hit anybody or anything
[21:37] <marcel_> it hovered over a large city when to burst
[21:37] <myier> I've reconstructed some panoramics with images from our first flight, it's quite good
[21:37] <myier> yes, it could have been bad without the paracute :/
[21:38] <marcel_> We had rotations at about 50/minute
[21:38] <marcel_> so we have to rethink that part
[21:38] <myier> what was it due to?
[21:38] <myier> do you have an idea?
[21:38] <marcel_> maybe unbalance load, and the suspencion with a swivel might not be a good idea
[21:40] <myier> was it a cubic box or a round pod?
[21:40] <myier> or other
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> wb marcel_
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[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> marcel_, at least that didn't happen to your cams :) https://twitter.com/CopSub/status/500664066248278017/photo/1
[21:41] <marcel_> boxlike
[21:42] <myier> haha ablative camera cooling
[21:42] <marcel_> haha, nice one Lunar_Lander
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[21:44] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awp7v1YIgps - being a camera is dangerous
[21:44] <Maxell> marcel_: oh hallo. I was at the Lighthouse weekend/fieldday event
[21:45] <Maxell> No 70cm RX just 2 meters :(
[21:45] <Maxell> marcel_: sad to hear... Flight/tracking itself went OK? Thats the hard part!
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[21:47] <marcel_> Most of the time we could receive it from the car with the DGTB antenna
[21:47] <myier> today I made my first long range test, 14km horizontal + 1km elevation, NTX2B with a rubber duck antenna and FCDP+ with quarter ground plane, very good reception, I still find that incredible, but I start to understand that it is actually real that people have receptions up to 400km ;)
[21:48] <marcel_> but when it was over 30km, we could decode maybe only 10% of the packets
[21:48] <marcel_> we used the habitat last entry to find the recovery site
[21:48] <marcel_> and from there we picked up the signal ourselfs very clearly
[21:48] <myier> what is a dgbt antenna marcel_?
[21:49] <myier> oh sorry dgtb
[21:49] <marcel_> the backup tracker also worked
[21:49] <myier> actually that what I typed in google
[21:49] <marcel_> sorry, DGBT --> DVB-T
[21:49] <myier> oh ok
[21:49] <Maxell> myier: the small ones you get with the rtl-sdr for free
[21:50] <marcel_> I can't remember that. Like the 'gqrx' command, I have to google it every time
[21:50] <Maxell> marcel_: quite the risk
[21:50] <myier> haha
[21:50] <myier> I don't know if gqrx means something, rx probably, but gq?
[21:50] <myier> great quality rx?
[21:51] <Maxell> gqrx - Software Defined Radio graphical user interface application. ?
[21:51] <marcel_> hi Maxell
[21:51] <myier> yes
[21:51] <Maxell> so yeah
[21:51] <michielbrink> Graphical .... RX
[21:51] <Maxell> wel
[21:51] <Maxell> hmm
[21:51] <myier> oh yes it's based on qt, maybe that's the q
[21:51] <Maxell> oh sure you guys had the yagi antenna
[21:52] <marcel_> we had a yagi yes, we almost had to use it
[21:52] <michielbrink> myier yes, I think
[21:52] <marcel_> because we couldn't see the payload at first. even though it was bright orange
[21:52] <marcel_> if we needed the yagi we might have had to come back tomorrow, because the laptop battery was almost 0%
[21:52] <myier> does weather impact much the quality of transmission at 434MHz?
[21:52] <Maxell> eek
[21:53] <Maxell> marcel_: no 230 volt inverter?
[21:53] <marcel_> next time!
[21:53] <Maxell> also on the to-do list
[21:53] <Maxell> hehe
[21:53] <Maxell> yeah
[21:53] <marcel_> exactly
[21:53] <Maxell> marcel_: yeah we did not went trough "how to chase with 434 mhz payload"
[21:54] <Maxell> so yeah
[21:54] <Maxell> hehe
[21:54] <Maxell> do you have screenshots of the bad decodings?
[21:54] <marcel_> well, both trackers worked
[21:54] <marcel_> no screenshots
[21:54] <Maxell> ok
[21:54] <marcel_> we were driving most of the time
[21:54] <Maxell> wonder what went wrong up there
[21:55] <Maxell> cold might caused rtty shift-drift
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[21:55] <marcel_> well, there was 28-fold redundancy today :-)
[21:55] <marcel_> trackers from the UK...
[21:55] <marcel_> just wow
[21:56] <Maxell> marcel_: "duh"
[21:56] <Maxell> ;)
[21:56] <myier> yes the radius drawn on the map for line of sight is huge at this altitude
[21:56] <myier> that's very nice to be able to go cross-country like that
[21:56] <marcel_> the altitude was completely unexpected. none of our calculations exceeded 25km
[21:56] <Maxell> PE2G @ Position: 52.135557,6.069422 Altitude: 445 m
[21:57] <myier> what was the mass of your payload?
[21:57] <Maxell> so you just drove there
[21:57] <Maxell> or to predicted landing?
[21:57] <marcel_> and the reason we launches was because we lost pressure from the helium tank. not because we thought there was enough helium for fast enough ascent
[21:57] <marcel_> 600g including chute. + 600g balloon
[21:58] <marcel_> burst diameter 4.8 m
[21:58] <bertrik> marcel_: the FSK shift seemed to vary a bit today, like low shift at low temperature (430 Hz) and big shift at higher temperature (500 Hz)
[21:59] <Maxell> And above 30 km it's cold, so less shift
[21:59] <Maxell> and dl-dlfigi does not auto-correct that
[21:59] <marcel_> the habduino was inside the package
[21:59] <bertrik> coldest is at 10-12km actually I think
[21:59] <marcel_> temp seemed not to go below 0
[22:00] <Maxell> bertrik: ah yes thats true
[22:01] <marcel_> first we drove to Hengelo, because we expected that we would end up in Germany. But then it stopped over Apeldoorn
[22:01] <Maxell> I also wonder why you'd launch above such large body of water
[22:01] <Maxell> also quite risky
[22:01] <bertrik> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/ALMA-1#g/temperature,altitude
[22:01] <marcel_> When it burst we saw it was in freefall, se we drove to a point between last known position and the prediction. aprox 25% between
[22:02] <marcel_> from there we took the last reading in habitat. drove there, and then we got signal
[22:02] <marcel_> then some time to get permission from the land owner
[22:02] <marcel_> and cross some waters
[22:02] <marcel_> and barbed wire...
[22:02] <marcel_> when we found it, the chute and gopro were missing
[22:03] <marcel_> we found the gopro 20 m further, under water
[22:03] <marcel_> like 15 cm under water
[22:04] <marcel_> why we launched over the IJsselmeer? because we didn't want to wait more days
[22:06] <Maxell> marcel_: worth losing the payload?
[22:06] <marcel_> there are a 1000 ways to lose the payload
[22:06] <marcel_> no guts no glory
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> one of the first Dutch balloons (I think) landed in the Ijsselmeer
[22:07] <marcel_> I read something like that, and it was recovered eventually
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> indeed
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> he found a boat owner who took him out to the payload
[22:08] <marcel_> will be hard to find it floating
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:08] <Maxell> marcel_: nice, sure works :P
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> I landed in a river last year xD
[22:08] <marcel_> could you recover?
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> we were lucky that some workers could help us recovering it
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:08] <marcel_> wow
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[22:10] <Maxell> so yeah I might hit for a sleep now
[22:11] <marcel_> good night
[22:11] <Maxell> yeah lighthouse event was awesome
[22:11] <Maxell> http://pa25sch.nl/ http://pa3weg.nl/?id=news etc
[22:12] <Maxell> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JORSSgXBIWA recoding
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[22:12] <fsphil> evenin' all
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[22:14] <myier> also, I confirm that vb-audio link between sdr# and dl-fldigi works great on windows 8.1
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[22:38] <marcel_> From the ALMA tracking I infer that the habduino rebooted on impact
[22:38] <marcel_> hehe
[22:40] <bertrik> sounds plausible :)
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[23:21] <tweetBot1> @jamescoxon: Survived #ukhas conference 2014, last one standing now for sleep!
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[23:33] <navrac_home> Jagermesiter doesnt sit well with bitter.
[23:37] <mfa298> I'm glad I could fall back on the designated driver line
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