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[05:46] <Maxell_> There we go again http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=B-66
[05:46] <Maxell_> M0XER going for round trwo
[05:47] <natrium42> which flight is this?
[05:47] <natrium42> it went around the globe?
[05:48] <Maxell_> Yes, it is above China for the second time.
[05:48] <Maxell_> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FM0XER-6&timerange=604800&tail=604800
[05:48] <acidtech> anyone using 36" baloons or which ones? Thanks
[05:48] <natrium42> what kind of envelope is it?
[05:48] <natrium42> is there a site?
[05:49] <jcoxon> natrium42, its a custom mylar envelope
[05:49] <jcoxon> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/01/balloon_circumnavigates_world/
[05:50] <natrium42> ah wow, i missed so much :(
[05:50] <natrium42> this is amazing
[05:50] <Upu> oh nice its back ...again :)
[05:51] <jcoxon> i wonder what happened to b63
[05:51] <jcoxon> it should have reappeared over japan
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[05:51] <Upu> natrium42 http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=B-66;B-63;B-64
[05:52] <natrium42> and repeatable too, wow
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[05:57] <jcoxon> B-66 has a faster playback log iirc
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[06:00] <Maxell_> jcoxon: as in, more datapoints being retransmitted?
[06:01] <Maxell_> more less normal packets in between?
[06:03] <jcoxon> yeah fewer packets in between
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[06:27] <Maxell_> jcoxon: 44% of the last 25 packets hold backlog data.
[06:27] <Maxell_> Packets take twice as long, but that does not seem to be a problem for BH1IEO
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[06:30] <Maxell_> Ok, I lied. Not tice as long, just 63% bigger
[06:30] <Maxell_> I would say that this 50% style works out pretty good
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[07:17] <Maxell_> The mobile tracker no longer draws jerky lines! :D
[07:18] <Maxell_> manual reload required though
[07:18] <Maxell_> non the less great work
[07:19] <Maxell_> Very smooth backlog
[07:19] <Maxell_> many datapoints very smooth
[07:19] <Maxell_> such wow
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[07:30] <fsphil> aah it's back
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[07:33] <amell> The Bs just keep on going
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[07:34] <amell> need a celebratory B-67 you know.
[07:35] <amell> interestingly, we seem to have a listening station that is completely off the map. wonder why. go to the mobile tracker and zoom right out. bounds checking issue?
[07:36] <number10> position of station is entered by user of fldigi
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[07:40] <Maxell_> amell: as long as it's a valid decimal gps coordinate it will be plotted
[07:41] <amell> well thats the point, the coordinate isnt valid. looks about 180 degrees north to me.
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[07:47] <Maxell_> out of map is still "valid"
[07:48] Nick change: Maxell_ -> Maxell
[07:50] <UpuWork> ping Steve_G0TDJ
[07:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi UpuWork
[07:51] <UpuWork> pm
[07:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> RGR
[07:58] <UpuWork> ping Geoff-G8DHE
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[08:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> UpuWork, Pong
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[08:29] <UpuWork> hi Geoff-G8DHE
[08:30] <UpuWork> whats your website for the images ?
[08:30] <UpuWork> Google ones
[08:34] <lz1dev> amell: its valid
[08:34] <lz1dev> the projection only goes to 75 or 80 degrees
[08:35] <lz1dev> it would stretch to infinity as you approach 90
[08:36] <lz1dev> that's why it's cut off
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[08:39] <fsphil> only buzz light year can get past 90
[08:50] <daveake> El Buzzo can go further than that
[08:51] <craag_philcrump> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1965134794/rockzip-a-million-balloons-a-billion-lives
[08:55] <daveake> "and in some cases into space"
[08:55] Nick change: BitEvil -> SpeedEvil
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[09:07] <craag_philcrump> One of the southampton uni guys is on their team - I've already been grilling him with technical questions on fb but I think he's got a bit fed up of me :P
[09:07] <fsphil> I do worry about kickstarter
[09:07] <craag_philcrump> Didn't like me asking for gps logs of test flights
[09:08] <jonsowman> hah
[09:08] <fsphil> oh he went all mexican?
[09:09] <fsphil> highballoon is a horrible term
[09:09] Action: fsphil is very negative today
[09:10] <jonsowman> agreed
[09:10] <daveake> guilty as charged?
[09:10] <fsphil> time for pancakes
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[09:11] <daveake> "Millions of highballoons" would be a bad thing, especially as "high" seems to mean "jet airliner high"
[09:11] <daveake> Good job it won't happen
[09:13] <jcoxon> can someone explain the Avg. float to cutdown comment in their table?
[09:13] <jcoxon> about 2/3rds down
[09:13] <jcoxon> i mean 1/3rd down
[09:13] <craag_philcrump> hmmm
[09:13] <craag_philcrump> s/cutdown/failure/
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[09:14] <MaXimaN> Morning
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[09:14] <jcoxon> also shame about hte 10000 pledge
[09:14] <jcoxon> first round-the-world launch attempt
[09:15] <daveake> oops
[09:15] <daveake> Well I read that as "their first attempt"
[09:15] <MaXimaN> So this guy has invented... the tetroon. Calls it a "highballon", and indicates it can be used for disaster relief by being flown into a tornado.
[09:15] <Maxell> B-66 reception already getting worse :(
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[09:16] <jonsowman> not as bad as the $5k one
[09:16] <jonsowman> have your name tattooed on the guy's arm
[09:16] <daveake> The one and only new thing is that, if they get funding, you can buy a cheap tetroon
[09:16] <daveake> Well when I say "cheap" ...
[09:16] <jcoxon> well i wish them luck
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[09:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Upuwork, sry for delay 360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/
[09:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/
[09:17] <MaXimaN> I was totally sold by the demonstration of launching the highballoon and seeing it come down over 100 miles away on private property... mostly inflated.
[09:18] <MaXimaN> Could be useful for smuggling across borders though
[09:19] <jcoxon> ping UpuWork
[09:20] <MaXimaN> B-66 still looks pretty healthy. 8C, battery voltage is decent, solar panels still going strong, and at a good altitude
[09:21] <acidtech> anyone using 36" baloons?
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[09:21] <jcoxon> acidtech, yeah people use them for pico flights
[09:21] <FuzzyLemon> is there any way I can still get a ticket to the UKHAS conference this Saturday?
[09:22] <FuzzyLemon> it says registration is now closed on the website
[09:22] <acidtech> what size is better?
[09:22] <jcoxon> acidtech, depends on what you want to do
[09:22] <jcoxon> do you want long duration flights or high altitude flights?
[09:22] <UpuWork> pong jcoxon
[09:22] <jcoxon> also how big is your payload
[09:23] <jcoxon> UpuWork, will we have openoffice avaliable on Sat
[09:23] <acidtech> just want to launch a small beacon, long duration
[09:23] <jcoxon> or shall i try and convert to ppt?
[09:23] Action: UpuWork goes and installs it
[09:23] <jcoxon> acidtech, well a 36" balloon will float with a small beacon payload around 7000m
[09:23] <jcoxon> has been flown for a few hours to a few days
[09:24] <daveake> s/hours/seconds/ :p
[09:24] <jcoxon> a large latex balloon will make 25000 - 35000m
[09:24] <jcoxon> and can in theory be floated for about 2 days (but its hard to get right)
[09:24] <jcoxon> most of the time is just an up/down flight
[09:26] <fsphil> floats are difficult as the odds of recovery is basically near zero
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[09:27] <fsphil> which limits what people would want to fly on them
[09:27] <acidtech> what about quantity of gas in foil baloons?
[09:28] <acidtech> if i will fill it full will it explode on high altitude?
[09:28] <jcoxon> yeah, the balance to get them to float is hard to achieve
[09:30] <SpeedEvil> Balloons rise because the density of the balloon + payload is lower than the density of the surrounding air, so there is a net lift force.
[09:31] <SpeedEvil> The density of the atmosphere falls off - so if your balloon can contain the natural expansion of the lift gas - your balloon hovers at one level.
[09:31] <SpeedEvil> (pressure altitude - not actual height)
[09:33] <UpuWork> ping jcoxon mail me the presentation so I can check it works ta
[09:34] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRSvfaIuCEo - interesting non-imaging ultra-high-sensitivity simple spectrometer
[09:36] <UpuWork> ping FuzzyLemon
[09:38] <FuzzyLemon> is registration closed?
[09:41] <UpuWork> yes
[09:41] <UpuWork> wanting to come ?
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[09:43] <UpuWork> ping jcoxon OpenOffice installed
[09:45] <mattbrejza> i assume the conference venue will have that digital ohp still?
[09:45] <mattbrejza> or is that to see tomorrow?
[09:45] <UpuWork> yeah it has
[09:45] <FuzzyLemon> yes
[09:45] <FuzzyLemon> have i missed the boat?
[09:45] <UpuWork> I have a laptop with POwerpoint viewer 2010 and now Open officed on it
[09:45] <UpuWork> you are as we say a last minute charlie FuzzyLemon
[09:45] <UpuWork> private message
[09:46] <SpeedEvil> 'You can come to the conference - the downside is that you will have to be glued to the ceiling'
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[09:49] <mattbrejza> and bring a packed lunch
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[09:50] <amell> and a folding chair
[09:50] <MaXimaN> Wait... a three-course lunch and cheese-tasting menu is not included?
[09:50] <MaXimaN> How do I apply for a refund?
[09:50] <SgtBurned> Roundhouse kick the the nearest waiter normally does the trick.
[09:51] <Laurenceb_> free food is always worth attending for
[09:51] <SgtBurned> Oooh Free food?! Where.
[09:51] <SpeedEvil> On the upside, there is free food. On the downside, it's the dandelions in the parking lot.
[09:51] <amell> maybe fuzzylemon will bring space-beer?
[09:52] <fsphil> hehe
[09:52] <SgtBurned> SpeedEvil: Could always make Dandelion and Burdock ;D
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[10:06] <Maxell> cya later M0XER-6!
[10:07] <Maxell> (already 15 mins without a new packet)
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[10:13] <SpeedEvil> Oh! It's back(was)
[10:15] <Maxell> About 4 hours and 20 minutes of exra APRS packets
[10:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Anyone know when XABEN is launching today?
[10:16] <amell> 1pm probably
[10:16] <amell> 434.250 and 434.300
[10:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK Cool - Thanks amell
[10:17] <amell> allow for hab time adjustment.
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[10:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> HAB-ish time Roger
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[10:18] <SpeedEvil> And 66 is likely exceeded 40000km already (with missing tracklogs)
[10:18] <amell> Did the flight doc get updated from yesterday btw?
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[10:32] <gonzo__> what happened with the XABEN flight yesterday? Did the 2ndry payload not work?
[10:32] <UpuWork> hit ground on take off
[10:32] <UpuWork> came off and never went up
[10:32] <gonzo__> broke, or left behind?
[10:32] <gonzo__> ah
[10:32] <gonzo__> so reflying
[10:32] <UpuWork> yep
[10:33] <gonzo__> recovered the bit that did go up?
[10:33] <UpuWork> I understand this to be the case
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[11:16] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[11:17] <ulfr> hi
[11:18] <Maxell> hai
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[11:49] <gonzo__> xaben is off
[11:50] <MaXimaN> Awww
[11:50] <Maxell> xaben?
[11:50] <daveake> rained off?
[11:50] <gonzo__> nowt from HL1 yet. Assume steve onbly has one rx on site
[11:50] <Maxell> :(
[11:50] <gonzo__> off as in launched
[11:50] <Maxell> \o/
[11:50] <daveake> aaaah
[11:50] <Maxell> :D
[11:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Listening both channels but won't be above my horizon for a while
[11:50] <MaXimaN> Oh heh!
[11:51] <gonzo__> amell is closest
[11:54] <Lunar_LanderU> :)
[11:54] <Lunar_LanderU> LeoBodnar, thanks for writeups of 63 and 66
[11:55] <Maxell> XABEN77: mothership on 434.300 MHz and breakaway vehicle on 434.250MHz
[11:55] <Laurenceb_> whats the breakaway vehicle?
[11:55] <MaXimaN> HL1
[11:55] <MaXimaN> 434.250
[11:55] <Laurenceb_> which is?
[11:55] <Laurenceb_> just a tracker?
[11:56] <Maxell> dunno https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/ukhas/twTLu11wsVs
[11:56] <MaXimaN> At a pre determined altitude the breakaway should release itself and fall under a small drogue for 1 minute when it should deploy the main chute.
[11:56] <UpuWork> I can see both
[11:56] <Maxell> "pre determined altitude the breakaway should release itself and fall under a small drogue for 1 minute when it should deploy the main chute"
[11:57] <Maxell> UpuWork: go for the breakaway
[11:57] <Maxell> or both!
[11:57] <UpuWork> on both
[11:58] <MaXimaN> Tracking the breakaway
[11:59] <UpuWork> both on same FCD
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[12:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Partials here
[12:00] <gonzo__> just passing lolworth. That's a laugh!
[12:01] <amell> i am indeed closest
[12:01] <UpuWork> let me guess can't hear it ?
[12:02] <amell> unbelievable its on time. was in the garden mowing
[12:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right got to go for lunch but its tracking and rx oK on both
[12:03] <mikestir-work> what happened to G-06?
[12:03] <amell> wasnt expecting it to launch ON TIME :)
[12:04] <amell> loud and clear
[12:04] <Laurenceb_> there are more xabens than bees
[12:05] <amell> the breakaway is a lot quieter
[12:07] <amell> 11.62km
[12:07] <amell> ele 32.1
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[12:08] <amell> Upuwork: how do you track both on the same FCD?
[12:08] <UpuWork> the original PCF works as a microphone so you can run 2 instances of SDRSharp
[12:09] <UpuWork> FCD
[12:09] <UpuWork> second one controls the frequency
[12:09] <amell> ok. i dont think you can do that on mac gqrx etc.
[12:09] <UpuWork> as long as the transmissions are with 90khz of each otehr
[12:09] <UpuWork> typing
[12:09] <gonzo__> or 190khz if using an fdc p+
[12:10] <amell> do we think that the breakaway is a camera payload? the temp cam1/cam2 is intriguing.
[12:11] <MaXimaN> Upu: PCF?
[12:12] <amell> FCD
[12:13] <UpuWork> keyboard to brain interface issue
[12:13] <MaXimaN> But FCDP+ does not?
[12:13] <amell> mattbrejza: how do you change 7n1/8n1 on your java app?
[12:14] <amell> ##C.cm6[m,12:13:38,52.29353,0.09080,8706,21.0,22.1,-20.9,-23.6,8,3,m70*AF18H
[12:14] <amell> the start of the string is consistently wrong. i dont know why, its always that.
[12:15] <myier> we'll probably be launching tuesday, in our 3 days window. Should I ask for approval of the payload (and create the document) now or will there be people available monday or sunday to do it?
[12:15] <amell> does the java decoder app work for others with HL1?
[12:15] <myier> because the payload is not yet finished, I'm not sure what will be the transmitted packet format yet
[12:16] <amell> fast ascent rate!
[12:16] <amell> im guessing steve played safe and overfilled.
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[12:19] <mauhen> morning all, what is the baudrate for xaben?
[12:21] <Maxell> 50n7
[12:21] <Maxell> 50 1n7
[12:21] <Maxell> 50 7n1
[12:21] <Maxell> AUTOCCONFGURE :D
[12:22] <mauhen> ta
[12:23] <MaXimaN> Upu: I have this setup to output to two dl-fldigis, but tuning on SDR# causes the dongle to tune, putting the other SDR# out
[12:23] <Maxell> .250 doable here .300 heavy qrm
[12:23] <mattbrejza> amell: it decodes 7n1 and 8n1 at the same time
[12:24] <Maxell> however not as strong as yesterday
[12:24] <mattbrejza> but i think it needs a correct checksum to start displaying the 8n1
[12:24] <amell> strange as it decodes fine in dl-fldigi
[12:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good sigs from XABEN0 in Crayford - HL1 fairly weak
[12:24] <UpuWork> yeah the second instance control it
[12:25] <MaXimaN> So are you tuning between the freqa and using an offset?
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[12:27] <UpuWork> open 2
[12:27] <UpuWork> on the newest one get it so you can see both payloads
[12:27] <UpuWork> oh set the output of one to one virtual audio cable
[12:27] <UpuWork> and the output of the other to another one
[12:27] <MaXimaN> Yep, done
[12:27] <UpuWork> then just use the cursor on one to select
[12:27] <UpuWork> and the cursor on the other
[12:28] <UpuWork> then 2 seperate dl-fldigis
[12:29] <MaXimaN> When I do it retunes both instances
[12:29] <MaXimaN> I can see both on both SDR#
[12:29] <UpuWork> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/Untitled-1.jpg
[12:29] <MaXimaN> Aha
[12:29] <MaXimaN> Done it
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[12:30] <Maxell> MaXimaN: using fcdp+ or rtl-sdr?
[12:30] <Maxell> multiple rtl-sdr is not supported in SDR#, it does with SDR-studio
[12:31] <MaXimaN> fcdp+
[12:31] <Maxell> ah
[12:31] <Maxell> conitue
[12:31] <Maxell> continue
[12:31] <MaXimaN> Got it working - just had to get the signals in roughly the same place on the band
[12:31] <MaXimaN> Then clicking the cursor on each worked fine
[12:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> Do we know wht the cut-down alt. is for HL1?
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[12:34] <MaXimaN> Upu: Working nicely now, thanks :)
[12:34] <UpuWork> nps
[12:35] <db_g6gzh> is the live predictor broken? not appearing on any of the map displays for me
[12:35] <amell> it wasnt there yesterday either.
[12:35] <amell> I think it might have been removed
[12:36] <amell> am i right in thinking theres three chutes on this flight? one on mothership and two on the dropship?
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[12:37] <MaXimaN> Hmmmm
[12:37] <MaXimaN> Not getting heading or bearing in dl-fldigi for HL1
[12:39] <Ron_G8FJG> select HL1 in payload box?
[12:42] <MaXimaN> Thanks. Rookie mistake :)
[12:43] <pd7r> signal keeps fading away here.
[12:43] <MaXimaN> It's fading in and out a little here (HL1, that is) but has done the whole flight. Still getting 30dB s/n though
[12:44] <Maxell> dual wield: http://i.sigio.nl/3d617191a1563c7d22afe0f880a564c1.png
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[12:47] <MaXimaN> http://i.imgur.com/hqumaqz.jpg
[12:47] <MaXimaN> Loud and clear here
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[12:57] <Maxell> MaXimaN: awesome
[12:57] <aadamson> curiousity question... were there changes to the web tracker? does it not show it's projected path any longer until it bursts or something?
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[12:59] <MaXimaN> I'm getting rtty on an adjacent channel to the breakaway now
[13:00] <MaXimaN> Which has now stopped
[13:00] <db_g6gzh> aadamson: it's not appearing on any of the user interfaces so I suspect the predictor back end is broken but I don't really know how it's meant to work
[13:02] <aadamson> db_g6gzh, ah, thanks for verifing that, with all the recent changes to the mobile tracker and splitting off Leo's B's to it's own map, I thought maybe something had changed
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[13:05] <MaXimaN> My rain, thunder, and lightning attenuator has arrived
[13:06] <MaXimaN> Thanks oh great Sky Wizard!
[13:06] Action: MaXimaN shakes his fist
[13:06] <pd7r> Finally getting some good decodes
[13:06] <pd7r> 330km , 2deg
[13:06] <fsphil> rain attenuator?
[13:06] <fsphil> that could be useful :)
[13:06] <pd7r> :-)
[13:07] <Maxell> MaXimaN: turn off any dsp for rtty
[13:07] <navrac_work> amazing the signal is a lot stronger if the beam is pointing the same way - not 180 degrees out....
[13:07] <Maxell> dsp only magnles the signal more and more
[13:07] <Maxell> true for any digimode
[13:07] <MaXimaN> Maxell: Already done
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[13:08] <Maxell> what is this magic attenuator box you are talking about?
[13:08] <MaXimaN> Still getting strong signals though
[13:08] <MaXimaN> Maxell: Antenna in loft :)
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[13:14] <Maxell> It's outside on chimy now?
[13:14] <MaXimaN> No, but the roof tiles on the outside are getting soaked
[13:15] <MaXimaN> Haven't applied for planning permission to get put on the chimney - that would likely be refused, sadly
[13:15] <MaXimaN> But I could put a discone up there or something else relatively small without planning
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[13:24] <mfa298> you may not need planning permission for a basic vertical antenna and most people won't even spot it.
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[13:25] <mfa298> I've done special event stations with large vertical antennas on masts, asked people if they saw anything different as they came in (that was for a group that were regular users of that building) and noone had seen the two masts and couple of antennas
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[13:27] <MaXimaN> It'd be easy to spot in my instance - I'm in an end terrace house
[13:28] <MaXimaN> Very visible from two streets
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[13:31] <Ron_G8FJG> running inside ,,storm overhead soon...big lightning conductor in garden...me underneath!!!
[13:33] <navrac_work> hl1 not updating?
[13:35] <MaXimaN> Doesn't appear to be
[13:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> Lot sof thunder in the not-so-distance here
[13:35] <pd7r> I still gat data from HL1
[13:35] <Maxell> $$HL1,678,13:34:22,52.37315,0.23377,31344,14.2,20.0,18.9,39.9,9,3,D70*E351
[13:35] <Maxell> $$HL1,679,13:34:38,52.37361,0.23225,31426,14.2,20.0,18.5,39.3,9,3,D70*4673
[13:35] <Maxell> $$HL1,680,13:34:53,52.37406,0.23061,31502,14.1,20.0,19.0,39.7,9,3,D70*C4AA
[13:35] <MaXimaN> Same here
[13:35] <MaXimaN> Stillr receiving
[13:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> HL1 has not updated on SNUS
[13:35] <pd7r> almost at 32K
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[13:36] <MaXimaN> Says the payload telemetry is being updated successfully too
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[13:37] <UpuWork> its the D70 at the end
[13:37] <UpuWork> [2014-08-14 13:36:27,702] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Exception in UKHAS main parse: ValueError: (field flags): invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'D70'
[13:37] <MaXimaN> Just had a packet with D50
[13:37] <UpuWork> won't decode its expecting an in
[13:37] <UpuWork> t
[13:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> Do you think that started at cut-down?
[13:38] <MaXimaN> Looks like it
[13:38] <UpuWork> still going up
[13:38] <pd7r> still climbing
[13:38] <MaXimaN> Oh yes, so it is
[13:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh
[13:39] <MaXimaN> HL1 signal getting considerably weaker for me now
[13:39] <UpuWork> its being fixed now
[13:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool
[13:40] <pd7r> wow
[13:41] <navrac_work> hl1 on its way back home
[13:41] <MaXimaN> Rapidly :)
[13:42] <MaXimaN> There we do, snus updating HL1 again
[13:42] <MaXimaN> s/do/go
[13:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nice one guys
[13:42] <myier> what is snus?
[13:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> Space Near Us
[13:43] <MaXimaN> Getting reds on XABEN0
[13:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> Me too
[13:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> XABEN0 - BURST!
[13:43] <MaXimaN> Yep
[13:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> Wow, its lso coming down fast. No air I guess
[13:44] <mfa298> MaXimaN: the point I was trying to make is that in general people are blind. Unless they see you putting it up and actively take an interest they probably won't see it. And as per my first point you may not need planning permission for it (unless there's some special circumstances like it being a listed building)
[13:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> *Also
[13:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> myier: SNUS is short for http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[13:44] <MaXimaN> mfa298: I looked into it and it exceeds the size for not requiring permission. You're right of course, I could just slap it up there and I doubt neighbours would care of complain.
[13:44] <myier> ok thanks
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[13:46] <MaXimaN> Looks like HL1 might come down on a roof :)
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[13:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Grow the aerial, start pole, leave a month, add aerial, leave, add more aerials
[13:50] <mfa298> if it's only just over the permitted size I'd probably just whack it up and claim ignorance if anyone complains. I wouldn't be suprised if the more likely complaint is that your antenna is causing interference in which case just point out that it's only for receiving so won't be interferring with East Enders
[13:51] <MaXimaN> mfa: True enough. I'll look into how much it would cost to get it put up there. I have no intention of doing a "Rod Hull"
[13:52] <MaXimaN> HL1 buzzing Oliver Cromwell's house, heh
[13:52] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE-Tab: stealth antenna placment
[13:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Worked for me, twice now!
[13:53] <mfa298> Geoff-G8DHE-Tab's suggestion is also good. Potentially with the added step add aerial (but don't connect coax) wait 1 month, add coax. Anyone complaining about interferrence will probably do it as soon as the antenna goes up at which point just politly point out it's not connected to anything so their interferrence is probably due to another source.
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[13:53] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE-Tab: hahaha
[13:53] <MaXimaN> Geoff-G8DHE: I like your style :)
[13:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Not small array either!
[13:54] <Maxell> now you can ramp up from first bolt to last coax
[13:54] <MaXimaN> Struggling with HL1 a bit now
[13:55] <Maxell> More likley neighbours are fine with it
[13:56] <MaXimaN> Maxell: Would cost money to do it that way, though
[13:57] <MaXimaN> Looks like it will miss Ely at least
[13:57] <MaXimaN> (HL1)
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[14:03] <Maxell> So, is it going to be a roof landing?
[14:03] <amell> did it work&. thats the question
[14:03] <MaXimaN> HL1 is in a field
[14:04] <pd7r> Close to Prickwillow. I love those names
[14:04] <amell> that was close. could have landed on the cathedral roof. then steve would be stuffed.
[14:05] <MaXimaN> XABEN0 is making a beeline for God's house.
[14:05] <amell> if it hits the cathedral, it will be in the local news :)
[14:06] <MaXimaN> If it misses the cathedral but hits the bishop's house then it will *definitely* be in the local news ;)
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[14:09] <amell> trying to see from the telemetry how long after HL1 release XABEN burst
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[14:11] <amell> about 15 min later.
[14:12] <amell> i would have expected ascent rate to increase though after HL1 was released.
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[14:16] <jones_suonatore> Hi, I have a question!
[14:16] <jonsowman> go for it
[14:17] <jones_suonatore> I'm planning a flight, is this good as payload antenna: http://it.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=1338624
[14:17] <jones_suonatore> ?
[14:17] <adamgreig> wow
[14:17] <adamgreig> that's actually probably not bad
[14:17] <adamgreig> you can make your own really easily though
[14:17] <adamgreig> which is what almost everyone does
[14:17] <jones_suonatore> I know, but I already have that
[14:17] <adamgreig> yea that should be fine
[14:18] <adamgreig> well like
[14:18] <adamgreig> the radiation pattern is not as good as a quarter wave whip you make yourself
[14:18] <adamgreig> but it should be fine
[14:20] <jones_suonatore> Thank you, maybe I'll build one anyway, and decide the one to put on the payload after some ground tests
[14:21] <fsphil> +1 for testing
[14:21] <amell> easy recovery for HL1
[14:21] <daveake> I've used that LPRS one and yes it works well
[14:21] <MaXimaN> I suspect it will be for XABEN also
[14:21] <amell> yes
[14:21] <MaXimaN> Oly travelling at 7m/s horizontally now
[14:22] <amell> as long as it doesnt land in the river
[14:23] <db_g6gzh> it's chucking it down here at the moment
[14:24] <amell> is it? uh oh. <runs outside to get stuff in>
[14:25] <jones_suonatore> Thank you too Dave :)
[14:25] <db_g6gzh> well, judging by XABEN's direction this rain won't be coming your way
[14:28] <db_g6gzh> Steve's receiving HL1
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[14:29] <MaXimaN> Great :)
[14:29] <MaXimaN> Starting to struggle with XAEBN a little now
[14:31] <junderwood> HL1 altitude -5m. It must be in the Fens
[14:32] <db_g6gzh> Hope XABEN misses Feltwell!
[14:33] <MaXimaN> And the fishery
[14:33] <MaXimaN> "PARACHUTED PACKAGE POISONS PIKE"
[14:35] <db_g6gzh> I was thinking more of the "RAF" bit ...
[14:36] <MaXimaN> Losing XABEN into the noise now
[14:37] <MaXimaN> 125.7km and 0.2 elevation was the last green
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[14:40] <db_g6gzh> and gone ...
[14:40] <db_g6gzh> impressed by 80m though
[14:42] <SHARP-SATS> B66 back over China on aprs.fi
[14:43] <MaXimaN> SHARP-SATS: Yep, and healthy battery and solar energy too
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[14:46] <SHARP-SATS> I need to get the station ready - try to catch a pass if over Manitoba again 73
[14:47] <arjun_12> HI
[14:47] <arjun_12> do i need a radar reflector if i am in the UK
[14:48] <myier> is it ;andatory anywhere by the way?
[14:48] <gonzo__> not normally
[14:48] <myier> mandatory
[14:48] <myier> in europe at least
[14:49] <fsphil> it's not required in the UK
[14:49] <arjun_12> in the us it is, i'm not sure in the uk
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[14:49] <arjun_12> whoops, fshpill just answered my question
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[14:53] <Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Mikhailovich_Prokudin-Gorskii#mediaviewer/File:Prokudin-Gorskii-25.jpg
[14:53] <Laurenceb_> this is insane
[14:53] <Laurenceb_> i thought it must be incorrectly captioned
[14:54] <arjun_12> does anyone have any experience with USB SDR dongles
[14:54] <MaXimaN> Laurenceb_: http://www.gridenko.com/pg
[14:55] <Laurenceb_> nuts, lots of it looks like modern dslr quality
[14:55] <MaXimaN> He took three photos with RGB filters
[14:55] <MaXimaN> You can see artefects when people moved
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[14:56] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[14:56] <MaXimaN> Otherwise they stayed *very* still :)
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[14:56] <MaXimaN> I read that they could be seen in colour by using a projetor with three coloured lenses
[14:58] <jcoxon> B-66 is back
[14:58] <jcoxon> (again * 2)
[14:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> arjun_12, quite a lot of us use them
[15:00] <arjun_12> Geoff-G8DHE-M Are they any good in tracking balloons in the air or just for testing
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[15:01] <MaXimaN> arjun_12: Both
[15:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I use them for that both HAB and Sondes
[15:01] <MaXimaN> I used a cheapr rtldr dongle previously with good results
[15:01] <arjun_12> Which one do you have
[15:01] <MaXimaN> arjun_12: Generic rtl820
[15:01] <arjun_12> I'm looking for a relatively good and cheap one
[15:01] <MaXimaN> Fed from a Diamond X-50N antenna in the loft
[15:02] <arjun_12> MaXimaN which model specifically
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> RTL2832U/with the E4000 by preference
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> but the R820T is nearly as good a bit poor on stability
[15:03] <MaXimaN> arjun_12: It says "DVB-T + DAB + FM" on the side of it. That's as good as it gets :)
[15:03] <arjun_12> http://www.amazon.co.uk/KEEDOX%C2%AE-RTL-SDR-Receiver-Realtek-RTL2832U/dp/B009VBUYA0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1408028565&sr=8-1&keywords=RTL2832U - any good?
[15:03] <MaXimaN> arjun_12: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RTL2832U-R820T-DVB-T-USB-Digital-TV-Tuner-Receiver-Support-SDR-F-Laptop-PC-Uk-LA-/251589244348?pt=UK_Computing_Video_Capture_TV_Tuner_Cards&hash=item3a93e335bc
[15:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Means nothing as the normal mode is bypassed
[15:03] <MaXimaN> arjun_12: Yeah, bascially that and anything like it
[15:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> That one is the R820T the E4000 are very difficult to locate now
[15:04] <MaXimaN> Geoff-G8DHE: It's an rtl r820t inside, that must I know.
[15:04] <MaXimaN> much*
[15:05] <MaXimaN> I'd avoid something like this though: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DVB-T-DAB-RTL2832U-R820T-25MHz-1700MHz-SDR-E4000-Upgrade-Verion-Carabiner-S-/121400641576?pt=UK_Computing_Video_Capture_TV_Tuner_Cards&hash=item1c440ac828
[15:05] <MaXimaN> Almost certainly not an E4000
[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The tuning ranges vary a little see the SDR pages here 360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/
[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Lots of people waiting for Airspy to appear as well
[15:06] <MaXimaN> arjun_12: But to receive anything you'll need a decent antenna, good quality coax, and have it mounted in the highest possible location - preferable outside
[15:07] <arjun_12> Which ones are bang for your buck
[15:08] <arjun_12> MaXimaN which one do you use
[15:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> see the list above, try to make sure its got a protection diode (electrostatic protection) fitted at the aerial socket
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> How do I go from: http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FM0XER-6&timerange=3600&tail=3600 - to a list of recent packets this station has transmitted, and their routing?
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> Or is there no simple list like that
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[15:09] <mattbrejza> http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=M0XER-6 SpeedEvil ?
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[15:11] <SpeedEvil> ah
[15:11] <SpeedEvil> thanks
[15:11] <MaXimaN> Interesting
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[15:12] <arjun_12> I have a FM antenna fitted to the house would that work, we also have a tv one would that work
[15:12] <MaXimaN> Getting short bursts of telemetry on B-66 every two hours
[15:12] <DL7AD> hours?
[15:13] <MaXimaN> Ohhh... perhaps that is Leo's backfill
[15:13] <MaXimaN> Yes, hours
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> yes - it's 2 hour datapoints every 8 mins IIRC
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> To a total of 5 days
[15:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It would give you something to start with but aerials are resonant for the frequency you want to work at and the FM band is long long way from either 2m or 70cms!
[15:13] <MaXimaN> Got it
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[15:15] <DL7AD> MaXimaN: where are you located?
[15:15] <MaXimaN> South London, UK
[15:15] <DL7AD> and how do you receive B-66?
[15:15] <MaXimaN> I have an antenna made of unicorn hair
[15:15] <MaXimaN> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=B-66
[15:16] <MaXimaN> DL7AD: Data is being received via APRS and fed back to the Intarwebs via IGATEs
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[15:17] <MaXimaN> Using the popular WIDE2-1 repeating mode that hams just love on airborne trackers
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[15:31] <Maxell> MaXimaN: lol who cares about wide2-1
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[15:31] <Maxell> like -CARE-
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[15:35] <MaXimaN> Maxell: I certainly don't
[15:36] <MaXimaN> Besides, how much packet congestion is it *actually* going to cause, if any?
[15:36] <MaXimaN> Most APRS stations have some form of packet memory
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[15:39] <MaXimaN> So another Pacific crossing appears to be on the cards for B-66
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[15:42] <Laurenceb_> B-63 might appear soon
[15:42] <Laurenceb_> if it has made it
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[15:44] <fsphil> this could end up like icarus. just randomly appears on spacenear.us for years after
[15:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Wandering ghosts in the Stratosphere
[15:53] <jcoxon> what are peoples thoughts on personal website hosting e.g. listing presentations and published articles?
[15:53] <jcoxon> is wordpress to basic or would people expect a domain name
[15:54] <jcoxon> (portfolio website is probably the correct term)
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[15:57] <mfa298> Laurenceb_: I'm predicting at least one B- saturday morning over ca (purely as arko will be at the conference)
[15:57] <Laurenceb_> lolz
[15:58] <adamgreig> jcoxon: for presentations and articles, probably a static html page hosted by a workplace?
[15:58] <adamgreig> I wouldn't use wordpress for that sort of mostly-static content, it's a huge faff
[15:58] <adamgreig> probably a domain name looks better? they are a few dollars a year, so
[15:58] <amell> oh i see HL1 has been recovered
[15:59] <jcoxon> adamgreig, yeah that was what i was looking at
[15:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I expect a domain name
[16:00] <jcoxon> Geoff-G8DHE-M, i suspect it is worth it
[16:00] <amell> G6GZH: tracked down to 80m from the ground. nice.
[16:00] <amell> oh hes not here. I think he said he was off on holiday
[16:00] <db_g6gzh> it impressed me too 8-)
[16:00] <amell> oh you are there ::)
[16:00] <db_g6gzh> apparently so
[16:00] <amell> benefit of the fens
[16:00] <junderwood> You need to do the domain name properly. Some just do a html redirect to your personal server
[16:01] <junderwood> so the fancy name disappears as soon as you get the page
[16:01] <jcoxon> any suggestions of a hosting/domain name package?
[16:02] <adamgreig> namecheap.com are great for domain names, and they do cheap hosting but I've not used it
[16:02] <adamgreig> I use them for all my domain names and they're v good though
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[16:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 123-reg despite the comments about them seem to have a reasonable service
[16:03] <MaXimaN> I've used GoDaddy for years for domains
[16:03] <MaXimaN> Had zero problems with them and friendly customer service
[16:04] <adamgreig> to provide a counterpoint, I moved away from godaddy because they are awful and scummy
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[16:04] <db_g6gzh> 123-reg now charge for moving away
[16:04] <mfa298> I think with wordpress (and other similar things) you can often find a hosted version (e.g wordpress.com I think) that you can add your domain name to
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[16:04] <adamgreig> they upsell on every occasion, they are a pain to use and change from, and I disagree with their corporate and CEO's values
[16:04] <mfa298> I've been with 123-reg for ages and had very few issues but other than taking my money they dont need to do much
[16:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> got to agree I have about a dozen domains with them no problems
[16:05] <adamgreig> yea I've not heard any complaints about 123-reg
[16:05] <fsphil> I agree with adamgreig
[16:05] <db_g6gzh> I've had https://www.portfast.co.uk/ recommended but not used them
[16:05] <mfa298> I've purely used than as a registrar. They're not even hosting my dns (I do that myself)
[16:05] <adamgreig> still prefer namecheap :P
[16:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> only as registrar, run my own machines for hosting
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[16:06] <fsphil> I've been with ukreg/fasthosts for years. no complaints
[16:06] <fsphil> don't use their hosting services though
[16:06] <fsphil> just dns
[16:07] <mfa298> my only issue with 123-reg is I cant persaude them to add IPv6 glue for my domains :( (and it seems very few places advertise that they will do IPv6 glue)
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[16:07] <adamgreig> huh, weird
[16:08] <adamgreig> that's annoying
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[16:09] <jcoxon> adamgreig, is it worth some emfcamp planning at some point?
[16:10] <adamgreig> yea
[16:10] <chrisstubbs> Got my ticket today :D
[16:10] <junderwood> FWIW I use Linode for to host DNS and Heart Internet for the domain record
[16:10] <adamgreig> oh my talk on HAB is confirmed
[16:10] <adamgreig> so I should probably start soliciting stuff
[16:10] <adamgreig> oh yea, if you did want hosting Linode are amazing, but it sounds like you probably want someone to host a website for you rather than a server
[16:10] <jcoxon> shall we decamp to another channel
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[16:11] <jcoxon> adamgreig, yeah its more of a lets get this setup and leave it alone
[16:11] <junderwood> I didn't say Linode host the web server :)
[16:11] <adamgreig> jcoxon: so also https://wiki.emfcamp.org/wiki/Villages:High_Altitude_Ballooning
[16:12] <adamgreig> I see you've seen that!
[16:12] <adamgreig> cool
[16:12] <adamgreig> need to work out who else is comign really
[16:12] <adamgreig> probably a mailing list post
[16:13] <adamgreig> how about #emfhab for now?
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[16:14] <mfa298> jcoxon: if you wanted to use something like wordpress it looks like you can have it hosted on your own domain http://en.support.wordpress.com/domains/ $13 if you already have a domain or $18 if you buy through them.
[16:17] <cm13g09-work> mfa298: ping
[16:17] <mfa298> cm13g09-work: pong
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[16:36] <Reb-SM0ULC> B-66 detected on chine north of best korea :)
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[16:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> hey
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> And B66's hit 30 days
[16:45] <Lunar_Lander> cool! :)
[16:46] <cm13g09-work> WUT!?
[16:46] <cm13g09-work> that puts B-63 at well over....
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> As well as (likely) 40000km, due to missing bits of log
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[17:06] <cyclops> hi!
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[17:13] <cyclops> Anyone there to approve my flight document?
[17:13] <adamgreig> hi
[17:13] <adamgreig> cyclops: got the doc ID?
[17:13] <cyclops> one sec
[17:13] <cyclops> 7503a9a5ffce93f94836e43329878624
[17:14] <cyclops> damm I created it two times
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[17:14] <adamgreig> that's ok
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[17:14] <adamgreig> cyclops: approved
[17:15] <cyclops> awesome adamgreig
[17:15] <myier> once you have created the payload document, where do you indicate the launch window?
[17:15] <cyclops> Thanks :)
[17:15] <adamgreig> myier: in a launch document
[17:15] <myier> where can I create it?
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[17:15] <adamgreig> http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[17:15] <adamgreig> in a flight document, sorry
[17:15] <adamgreig> wrong word
[17:16] <myier> I don't get it, that's what I've done
[17:16] <adamgreig> the flight doc has the launch window in it
[17:16] <myier> oh ok sorry
[17:16] <cyclops> damm winds have made me change launch site twice
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[17:17] <cyclops> This week wind variation is crazy
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[17:18] <myier> will there be somebody to validate the flights on monday?
[17:20] <adamgreig> they can get approved whenever they're made
[17:20] <adamgreig> doesn't have to be on the day
[17:20] <adamgreig> but yes
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[17:20] <adamgreig> there will likely be someone who can approve flight docs on monday
[17:20] <myier> ok thanks
[17:20] <myier> our payload is not yet fixed
[17:20] <adamgreig> ok
[17:21] <mattbrejza> is there a quick guide on payload docs/flight docs
[17:21] <mattbrejza> as everyone asks the same trhing
[17:21] <mattbrejza> and makes the same mistakes
[17:21] <adamgreig> not beyond the verbiage on the genpayload site I don't think
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[17:21] <adamgreig> don't get that many questions or mistakes really
[17:21] <adamgreig> compared to the number of good flight docs
[17:23] <mattbrejza> oh yea, forogt about that :P
[17:27] <mfa298> maybe it just needs a simpler start guide on the wiki along the lines of "So you want to launch a balloon" that has a small amount of text and links off to the more detailed pages, I'm thinking along the lines of a few paragraphs to introduce the types of tracking, legalities, putting together a tracker, testing said tracker, creating payload doc, creating flight doc, launching, recovering)
[17:27] <mfa298> the detail for most of that exists, the challenge generally seems to be finding it hence the idea of a reasonably short page with links to everything
[17:28] <adamgreig> basically add the payload and flight doc bits to the current getting started guide
[17:31] <mfa298> that could make for a good starting point although it might be worth moving some of those bits off to their own pages. I was thinking something about 1/3 the length of that page and add links to pages that briefly cover spot / gsm etc.
[17:32] <adamgreig> good idea... well volunteered :P
[17:33] <mfa298> I think I already had that on the bottom of the ever growing list of things to do.
[17:35] <mfa298> I think a lot of the wiki pages suffer from a problem of being too long which can put people off and may also make finding things harder.
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[17:42] <LeoBodnar> just came back home
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[17:49] <arjun_12> Will this SDR (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00527OCT6/ref=ox_ya_os_product_refresh_T1) work with this cable (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00AW8VQ26/ref=ox_ya_os_product_refresh_T1) connected to a TV input socket on the wall to receive balloon signal
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[17:53] <mfa298> don't use RF TV Aerial lead. Most of it is really bad
[17:54] <mfa298> I wouldn't trust that dongle to work as it doesn't say what chipset it uses
[17:55] <Upu> ping DL7AD
[17:56] <mfa298> your TV socket probably won't work too well for balloons either. The antenna may not be designed for the right band, TV antennas are directional so would need to point at the balloon, TV antennas are usually horizontally polarised and balloons are vertical, also see previous note about TV aerial leads. All of which means you've got a pretty poor chance of actually getting a signal like that
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[17:56] <mfa298> arjun_12: See the lines I just wrote above.
[17:57] <mfa298> For the rtlsdr dongles you want something that lists RTL2832+R820T or RTL2832+E4000.
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[18:06] <arjun_12> mfa298 which antenna should I use
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[18:07] <MaXimaN> arjun_12: I'm using an X50-N
[18:07] <MaXimaN> 40 pounds on eBay
[18:07] <mfa298> either look to buy something like a 2/70 vertical amateur radio antenna (and ideally mount it high up on the house)
[18:08] <mfa298> or make something designed for 434 MHz (I use something similar to the payload antenna design on the wiki)
[18:09] <arjun_12> thx
[18:09] <mfa298> then use some decent coax, RG58 is ok for short runs (probably under 10m), rg213/ W103/ aircell are better and you really want them if you need more than 10m of it.
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[18:11] <mfa298> for coax all cable has losses, W103/aircell have a lower loss than RG213, which has a lower loss than RG58 which has a lower loss than that TV antenna cable. Basicly you want the lowest loss you can afford (3dB of loss means half the signal the antenna collects is lost in the cable before it even get's to the receiver)
[18:11] <mfa298> getting the antenna up high and outside means its able to pick up more signal.
[18:12] <mfa298> the general aim is to get as much signal to the receiver as possible.
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[18:17] <DL7AD> Upu: pong
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[18:31] <amell> DL7AD: no he doesnt.
[18:31] <DL7AD> ?
[18:32] <amell> <DL7AD: Upu: pong>
[18:33] <DL7AD> hw pinged me
[18:34] <amell> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/pong
[18:35] <DL7AD> no thats not what i ment
[18:35] <amell> :)
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[19:11] <Reb-SM0ULC> mfa298: i breifly thought i was stuck in scrollback from last night. antenna and cableloss again.. :)
[19:12] <mfa298> it seems to be a regular topic
[19:12] <mfa298> probably needs a wiki article but I've already managed to volunteer myself for one today.
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[19:19] <jcoxon> finally found it
[19:19] <jcoxon> the first balloon launch in hte uk (amateur) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hSDbAo2WMk
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[19:22] <jcoxon> evening edmoore
[19:22] <edmoore> yo
[19:22] <edmoore> all well?
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[19:22] <jcoxon> yes thanks
[19:22] <jcoxon> set for sat?
[19:23] <edmoore> well sorta
[19:23] <edmoore> currently on m1 going to the dales
[19:23] <edmoore> to talk at Wuthering Bytes tomorrow
[19:23] <jcoxon> hehe never heard of that one
[19:23] <jcoxon> looks good
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> hey edmoore
[19:24] <edmoore> getting a lift with matt donw to greenwich at presumably stupid oclock on sat morn
[19:24] <ibanezmatt13> correct :P
[19:24] <edmoore> at least i'm not talking at this ukhas conf this year
[19:24] <jcoxon> yeah i'm going to come up on sat morn
[19:24] <edmoore> do you have an idea what the exact value of stupid oclock is ibanezzmatt?
[19:24] <edmoore> like 4am?
[19:24] <ibanezmatt13> nah
[19:25] <ibanezmatt13> erm
[19:25] <Reb-SM0ULC> jcoxon: the chir broke up?
[19:25] <ibanezmatt13> Like after 5:30
[19:25] <jcoxon> yeah apparently
[19:25] <edmoore> i guess your dad is quite fast :)
[19:25] <ibanezmatt13> perhaps :)
[19:25] <edmoore> congrats on AS's
[19:25] <ibanezmatt13> he drives a Volvo, 3 hours easy
[19:25] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[19:26] <mfa298> ouch and I thought 7am was an early time to leave.
[19:26] <edmoore> yeah he said he can do yours to heathrow in 3hrs
[19:26] <edmoore> so i guess greenwich is not much after that
[19:26] <jcoxon> edmoore, still need a floor?
[19:26] <ibanezmatt13> he can do the chunnel in 4
[19:26] <edmoore> yes plz
[19:26] <jcoxon> np
[19:26] <jcoxon> lots of floor available
[19:26] <jcoxon> not much else
[19:26] <edmoore> tis fine
[19:27] <edmoore> i sleep in any orientation
[19:28] <Dark-Fx> inside-out?
[19:29] <jcoxon> if required Dark-Fx
[19:29] <jcoxon> :-)
[19:29] <edmoore> jcoxon is a doctor
[19:29] <edmoore> and i'm topologically invarient
[19:33] <jcoxon> i worry though edmoore, one day you'll got to far and implode
[19:33] <jcoxon> go*
[19:34] <edmoore> i have been called singular before
[19:35] <jcoxon> edmoore, coming to emfcamp?
[19:36] <edmoore> no
[19:36] <edmoore> i'm having a quiet weekend
[19:36] <edmoore> i've been out every weekend for the last 8
[19:36] <edmoore> and this one coming
[19:37] <edmoore> and the next one
[19:37] <jcoxon> :-)
[19:37] <edmoore> and i want to sit on a sofa and eat a takeaway curry and watch frasier on More4 + 1§
[19:37] <jcoxon> that does sound good
[19:37] <jcoxon> though perhaps more grand designs on more4
[19:38] <edmoore> and maybe start putting together my home electronics lab
[19:38] <jcoxon> excellent
[19:38] <jcoxon> i expect some ukhasnet nodes...
[19:39] <edmoore> for sure
[19:39] <edmoore> got a nice x201s thinkpad now for home node duties
[19:39] <jcoxon> bit like my old macbook
[19:39] <edmoore> and a skylight
[19:40] <jcoxon> well i'll be bring some rfm69hw on sat
[19:40] <jcoxon> if you need some
[19:40] <edmoore> i won't really be able to do much for the next few months
[19:40] <edmoore> crunch on the rocket engine
[19:40] <edmoore> job+hobby+weekends
[19:40] <edmoore> considering how much work i have to fit into september is causing me heart palpatations
[19:41] <edmoore> that or the 5 mugs of coffee
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[19:42] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: Good luck!
[19:42] Action: SpeedEvil passes edmoore a defibrilator.
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> The world needs more decent rocket engines.
[19:44] <edmoore> this one will be cool :)
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[19:45] <SpeedEvil> Cool as ice.
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> At least on the front end.
[19:46] <edmoore> here's one of those fun things that is unexpected at first (if you're me anyway)
[19:47] <edmoore> you get better heat transfer into the cooling channels if your cooling fluid (water in this case) is warmer
[19:47] <edmoore> because of lower viscosity
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[19:47] <edmoore> and so a smaller boundary layer
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> Second order effects are fun
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[19:48] <edmoore> higher viscosity sorry
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[20:00] <Upu> if anyone with some actual design skills wants to tart that page up be my guest
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[20:01] <edmoore> like in Tomorrow Never Dies
[20:01] <Upu> dejavu
[20:02] <edmoore> i'll deja you in a minute
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[20:05] <LeoBodnar> B-64 is near Alaska
[20:05] <LeoBodnar> dejavu^2
[20:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hey all therr still going then!
[20:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> *three
[20:06] <LeoBodnar> yep
[20:06] <Dark-Fx> what if B-64 never stops
[20:06] <LeoBodnar> how would we know it didn't?
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[20:08] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, congrats
[20:08] <jcoxon> though i've said that alot to you recently
[20:09] <lz1dev> its back
[20:09] <lz1dev> holy shit :D
[20:09] <lz1dev> what if they never die
[20:09] <lz1dev> O_o
[20:10] <LeoBodnar> lol
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: Woo!
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[20:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Will one complete a second circumnavigation by Saturday!
[20:10] <lz1dev> LeoBodnar: you didn't expect them to go that long did ? :)
[20:12] <SpeedEvil> Anotehr 500km or so of radio coverage at least ideally
[20:12] <SpeedEvil> lz1dev: Well, the logs are 5 days.
[20:12] <SpeedEvil> lz1dev: which tells you something. :)
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[20:12] <SpeedEvil> We should at least get the last third or so of the missing bits
[20:12] <lz1dev> you mean the longs are ONLY 5 days ;P
[20:13] <lz1dev> logs*
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> yes
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> More than that would have been silly.
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> (or not)
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[20:16] <SpeedEvil> B64 is flying over Port Dick.
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:17] <edmoore> cover your stern
[20:17] Action: Dark-Fx covers his aft
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> KL7L is shown as a reciever about where I recall the APRS station to be.
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> (on http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/) Is this some sort of magical station info importer to show where on the map it is
[20:18] <LeoBodnar> no lz1dev i didn't :D
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> or is it just a coincidence that there is someone into UKHAS there
[20:19] <lz1dev> LeoBodnar: if i remember the hysplit correctly, it must have made loop around the north pole
[20:19] <lz1dev> or at least very close to it
[20:19] <SpeedEvil> lz1dev: Well - hysplit can also do backwards prediction IIRC
[20:19] <lz1dev> yep
[20:19] <LeoBodnar> we can marry the two predictions
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:19] <lz1dev> i dont have them
[20:19] <lz1dev> thats the problem
[20:19] <lz1dev> but i've fixed it yesterday, all hysplit are cached
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> current backlog position is now 10 days ago so we have a good chance
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: Another congratulation - All three balloons have exceeded 40000km ground-track.
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> yay!
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> oh, ta
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> how do you calculate that?
[20:21] <lz1dev> click on the path on mobile tracker :)
[20:21] <LeoBodnar> oh :D keep up, Leo!
[20:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Also GE profile shows total ground distance
[20:21] <Laurenceb> woot
[20:22] <Laurenceb> nice
[20:22] <Upu> just to put it in perspective you're 12% of the way to the moon
[20:22] <Laurenceb> new duration record
[20:22] <LeoBodnar> there have been a storm of new features recently
[20:22] <LeoBodnar> which is all good
[20:22] <ibanezmatt13> cool
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[20:23] <SpeedEvil> I haven't had a 'javascript has stalled on this page' for a good few days now
[20:23] <lz1dev> leo has push the bar quite high
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> Though the last time I said that, it did it next time
[20:23] <Laurenceb> <LeoBodnar> current backlog position is now 10 days ago so we have a good chance
[20:23] <Laurenceb> huh?
[20:24] <Laurenceb> B-64 has 10 day backlog?
[20:24] <DL7AD> yes
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> lz1dev: random feature comment - highlighting on the hysplit the current time dots would benice.
[20:24] <Laurenceb> oh cool
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> (for balloons out of contact only of course)
[20:25] <lz1dev> SpeedEvil: its not possible
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> lz1dev: k
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> Haven't looked at the code :)
[20:25] <lz1dev> im too lazy to make a parser for hysplit txt files
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> Fair enough.
[20:25] <lz1dev> its a kml layer
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> I'd assumed that was what you were doing.
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> Oh- I dddn't know they did that
[20:25] <lz1dev> basically google server renders an overlay, and gives you the tiles
[20:26] <lz1dev> which is great for performance :)
[20:26] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: What happened to 65? Was it a launch error - I forget
[20:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> lz1dev, What time do the hysplit's get updated?
[20:27] <lz1dev> every 6 hours
[20:27] <LeoBodnar> it was launched together with B-64 and did not deploy properly, landed near M25 south
[20:27] <lz1dev> so in about 2.5 hours
[20:28] <lz1dev> is the next one
[20:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> 00/06/12/18 then ?
[20:28] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: ah
[20:28] <lz1dev> its 22/4/10/14
[20:28] <lz1dev> at 50th minute
[20:28] <lz1dev> just as the forcast cycle finishes
[20:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> right ok
[20:29] <lz1dev> http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_log.txt
[20:34] <lz1dev> the log starts from 4th
[20:34] <lz1dev> so no north pole trip looks like
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[20:52] <Laurenceb> need aprs based firmware updates
[20:53] <Laurenceb> to fix B-63 logging
[20:53] <lz1dev> firmware flash over APRS
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[20:57] <malgar> LOL :) opening the tracker webpace is always a lot of fun :) Alaska! :D
[20:57] <malgar> great LeoBodnar
[20:57] <malgar> webpage
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[20:59] <malgar> altitude is quite low
[20:59] <arko> Bloody hell, its in Alaska when im not in the states
[20:59] <db_g6gzh> s/when/because/ 8-)
[21:00] <arko> Haha
[21:00] <mfa298> arko: I'm predicting one of them will appear in ca on saturday morning as you're over here.
[21:00] <arko> Congrats Leo on breaking the new challenge "escape the arctic circle"
[21:01] <arko> Mfa298: it wouldn't be a B if it didn't :)
[21:02] <jcoxon> interesting direction its going in
[21:02] <mfa298> either than or one will fly over grenwich but I think thats less likely
[21:02] <jcoxon> actually heading west currently
[21:02] <arko> jcoxon: hysplit?
[21:02] <amell> goddamn, B-64. congratulations.
[21:03] <arko> I had to privilege and honor of visiting "B hill" where Leo launches the B's
[21:03] <arko> Its now a national historic site
[21:04] <arko> Need those blue signs :)
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[21:04] <db_g6gzh> How long is it since it disappeared NE of Finland, my memory fails me ...
[21:04] <LeoBodnar> 12 days
[21:04] <LeoBodnar> Brown ones in this country arko :D
[21:05] <mfa298> so how many circumnavigations around the pole has it managed in that time ...
[21:05] <arko> LeoBodnar: hah! Perfect
[21:05] <arko> Must be done now
[21:05] <arko> The wheel in the sky keeps on turning
[21:06] <nigelvh> This is ridiculous
[21:06] <nigelvh> Might as well call them satellites at this point.
[21:06] <amell> Im surprised it managed to get to alaska without being detected in russia
[21:07] <edmoore> how do you know it wasn't detected in russia
[21:07] <amell> no reports via aprs?
[21:07] <amell> Strange change of direction in Taui Bay
[21:07] <edmoore> siberia is pretty empty
[21:08] <amell> oh, it was quite a way north of vladivostok.
[21:09] <amell> Will we get sufficient log to see how far north it went
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[21:11] <nigelvh> It's a good thing it has that log feature
[21:12] <amell> slight gradual deterioration in altitude. permeation of the envelope?
[21:14] <edmoore> that flock of bees
[21:14] <edmoore> they've a lot to answer for
[21:14] <amell> lipo max voltage seems reduced too.
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[21:15] <LeoBodnar> battery seems to be in rude health http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/B-64#g/altitude,battery
[21:16] <jcoxon> do we have a twitter bot still on the channel?
[21:16] <edmoore> griffonbot?
[21:16] <edmoore> no
[21:16] <edmoore> i seem to recall some people were really rude about it
[21:16] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: how can you see this out of the diagram?
[21:17] <amell> What would we see in a deteriorating battery? faster discharge, lower max voltage
[21:18] <LeoBodnar> faster discharge and perhaps faster charge as well
[21:19] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: do you have random log transmission?
[21:19] <mfa298> we did have tweetbot for a while after griffonbot disappeared
[21:20] <LeoBodnar> random?
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[21:21] <amell> keen to see how far north b-64 went
[21:22] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: What are the 3/4 deep discharges shown there - very dim early mornings/cloud ?
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[21:22] <amell> Length: 44733.26 km
[21:22] <amell> Duration: 33d 14h
[21:22] <amell> mindblowing
[21:23] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: yeah there already log from 6 days ago and 2 days ago. but a bunch between is missing yet
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[21:24] <amell> Does this mean LeoBodnar gets extra beer at the UKHAS conference?
[21:25] <Upu> are you buying it ?
[21:25] <amell> er no. fuzzylemon is bringing space beer.
[21:25] <Upu> oh is she
[21:26] <Upu> I'm looking forward Ian's honey
[21:26] <malgar> LeoBodnar: uhm interesting.. you could think about a log working in this way: 14-7 days every 6 hours, 7-3 days every 3 hours, 3 days... and so on.. increasing
[21:26] <amell> talking of honey, i struggled to understand how waitrose charge £34.95 for a 340g jar of honey.
[21:27] <malgar> + 14 d = 24 h
[21:27] <Upu> manuka stuff
[21:27] <amell> yes, 20+ manuka whatever that means.
[21:27] <malgar> just to get some points here and there
[21:27] <Upu> it has special powers to extract money from peoples wallets
[21:28] <malgar> LOL
[21:28] <amell> I regarded it with some suspicion, and refrained from purchase.
[21:28] <Upu> I like honey but I also refuse to spend silly money
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[21:29] <jcoxon> manuka comes from special bees
[21:29] <jcoxon> its now used as an antiseptic for wounds interestingly
[21:29] <jcoxon> with really good results
[21:30] <jcoxon> just been on http://spacecraftforall.com/
[21:30] <jcoxon> i like the graphics
[21:30] <amell> so if you have a stinking infected wound, £34.95 might be worth spending.
[21:30] <Upu> my wife has used it on an animal once
[21:30] <Upu> vet
[21:31] <amell> did it work? or did it lick itself to death?
[21:31] <Upu> no idea
[21:31] <Upu> that is a very nice graphic
[21:32] <amell> Spark has interesting telemetry. glosnass and GPS satellite counts.
[21:33] <jcoxon> the video is really good, i'd love to have been involved
[21:33] Action: amell suspects the conference balloon is not a real balloon, but to aide conference attendees in beer recovery.
[21:34] <fsphil> oh hello B-64
[21:34] <jcoxon> fsphil, when are you coming for the conference?
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[21:35] <fsphil> I'll be in greenwich at about 11am jcoxon
[21:35] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIlu7szab5I&feature=youtu.be - damn that's pretty
[21:35] <jcoxon> you flying in and out in a day?
[21:35] <SpeedEvil> (F9 first stage reentry from chase plane) (cameraman sucks a bit)
[21:35] <fsphil> flying in tomorrow, back on sunday
[21:36] <jcoxon> okay cool
[21:36] <fsphil> wish I'd booked it for a few more days now :)
[21:36] <jcoxon> hehe
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[21:39] <LeoBodnar> i found a suitable logo for 2015 conference http://assets.coolhunting.com/coolhunting/mt_asset_cache/2013/05/world-map-archive-1-thumb-620x437-60036.jpg
[21:39] <amell> ^^lol
[21:39] <jcoxon> night all
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[21:39] <fsphil> hah
[21:40] <qyx_> lol
[21:40] <SA6BSS> :)
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[21:47] <ian_> Manuka honey was unsaleable and was fed to pigs and cattle for donkeys ages, before a marketing team got to work on it. Annually, more Manuka honey sold in the UK than is produced in NZ and Australia. Go figure!
[21:48] <ian_> upu: If I have one arm longer than the other, you will know my bag was heavy!
[21:49] <Upu> :)
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> I won something on the telly
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: :)
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, xD!
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> well suited
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[21:55] <jededu> ping upu
[21:55] <Upu> hi Jed
[21:55] <DL7AD> evening @all
[21:55] <Upu> hey Sven
[21:55] <DL7AD> hi anthony
[21:56] <jededu> Upu all recieved and working like the MTX2
[21:56] <Upu> excellent
[21:56] <Upu> yeah its cute
[21:57] <jededu> Very :)
[21:57] <Laurenceb> oooh loops
[21:57] <DL7AD> leo is the first one doing a loop over the pacific
[21:57] <DL7AD> :D
[21:58] <amell> Ian_: thats interesting :) I wont bother at that price&
[21:58] <LeoBodnar> somehow it's nice when balloon crosses its own path
[21:59] <amell> Ian_: do you have online honey shop or something? sorry about the OT.
[21:59] <db_g6gzh> Upu: pm ?
[21:59] <Upu> sure
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[22:01] <amell> DL7AD: wheres this loop - is it in hysplit?
[22:01] <DL7AD> amell: no in the log of B-64
[22:02] <amell> Ah. a reload of the mobile tracker fixed that. Nice loop!
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[22:08] <astrobiologist> so rsgb took my money for the license exam on Saturday... they left it until it was really funny
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[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> today I tried to get the DS18B20 working on stormdrifter II
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> in isolation it works, i.e. a code that grabs the T and sends it via UART
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> in context it doesn't
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> will try further to build up a new code
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[22:25] <Laurenceb> what time does hysplit run on B-64?
[22:26] <lz1dev> ~30min
[22:26] <amell> backlog for the artic journey doesnt seem to be coming through?
[22:26] <Laurenceb> ah
[22:27] <lz1dev> http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/prodstat_new/
[22:28] <lz1dev> amell: probably didnt go much north
[22:28] <lz1dev> it only had 2 days, doesnt seem enough
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[22:30] <amell> did it reset by any chance?
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[22:32] <LeoBodnar> the log is only 10 days deep
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> Oh - yay - I thought it was 10
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> err 5
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[22:37] <myier> is it possible to access data sent to habhub or displayed on the map after a flight and for how long?
[22:38] <LeoBodnar> yes, http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
[22:40] <LeoBodnar> but this is only for flights with approved flight documents and within the flight doc window
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[22:41] <myier> great
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[22:42] <myier> thank you very much, this system never stops revealing great pages like that!
[22:42] <myier> the tems is making a very good job
[22:42] <myier> team sorry
[22:43] <gurgalof> wow, B-64 is back
[22:47] <ian_> amell: Regret not, but I do have a lot of honey!
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[22:48] <amell> Someone going to let steve know why telemetry didnt come through from HL1?
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[22:52] <jiffe> B64? Where?
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[22:56] <DL7AD> jiffe: Alaska
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[23:13] <lz1dev> LeoBodnar: you missed the north pole, but look at on the bright side
[23:13] <lz1dev> http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/197981_B64.gif
[23:16] <malgar> lz1dev: !!
[23:20] <DL7AD> lz1dev: whoooops
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[23:50] <myier> yessss B-64!
[23:51] <myier> haha nice hysplit
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