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[03:22] <NickParker|2> Hey so I've had this idea stuck in my head for a while, tell me why it won't work? Could I use solar panels, a mildly insulating balloon and an electric heater to make a balloon that holds altitude indefinitely?
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[03:23] <NickParker> heat the balloon to go up, maybe use an exhaust valve to stop going up if it's necessary.
[03:25] <kf7fer> a perpetual motion balloon?
[03:29] <NickParker> i mean kind of.. but not in a physics breaking kind of way
[03:43] <kf7fer> I didn't think that heat - or lack of - had anything to do with keeping a He/H balloon in the air?
[03:50] <NickParker> I was thinking regular air, but I think the math turns out to be impossible. Hot air balloons that lift ~1500 lbs use burners that consume about 3 MW. That's half a gram per watt, and I don't think solar panels are that light/efficient
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[05:39] <Maxell> XABEN76: mothership on 434.300 MHz and breakaway vehicle on 434.250MHz
[05:39] <Maxell> G-06: 434.510 MHz RTTY 7n2 300 Baud
[05:42] <jcoxon> morning all
[05:43] <Upu> morning
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[05:54] <jcoxon> when do we draw the line about removing B flights from spacenear.us
[05:55] <Maxell> Move B flights to sepaarate tab
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[06:05] <lz1dev_> jcoxon: in a month :D
[06:05] <lz1dev_> b's have proven suprisingly resiliant
[06:08] <jcoxon> yeah i know, they pop up all over the place
[06:09] <jcoxon> just that poor spacenear.us is getting crowded
[06:09] <Maxell> heheh spacenear.us is not designed with this in mind
[06:10] <Maxell> Can't you "remove" them but in a way so ?filter=B-66 shows it?
[06:12] <jcoxon> not really
[06:12] <jcoxon> you can filter but thats on a flight by flight basis
[06:12] <Maxell> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=G-06
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[06:37] <fsphil> wouldn't be too difficult to push them into a separate page
[06:38] <fsphil> tracker/b.html for just B-* flights
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[06:41] <alastair_> hi guys
[06:44] <alastair_> Can anyone help me? I need to buy 3 Spot Traces but delivered them very quickly. I contacted the sellers I could find on eBay but they haven't replied for days.
[06:48] <Maxell> spot tracker?
[06:50] <alastair_> "Spot Trace"
[06:52] <UpuWork> alastair_ are you in the UK ?
[06:52] <alastair_> Cyprus
[06:52] <UpuWork> ah ok
[06:52] <UpuWork> no idea then sorry
[06:53] <alastair_> damn
[06:54] <alastair_> why isnt anyone replying on eBay...
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[07:16] <Maxell> pd7r: goedemorgen
[07:17] <pd7r> morgen
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[07:23] <Maxell> So, HAB-ish eta for G-06 would be in 4 hours/
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[07:23] <Maxell> Has been a while... :)
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[08:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> craag_philcrump, ping
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[09:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> G-06 doesn't appear in Habrotate for some reason ?
[09:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh of course its befoe time
[09:09] <db_g6gzh> yeah, same for XABEN76
[09:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Think we need to ask Phil to allow 2 hours before time to allow setting up for an automatic track!
[09:12] <db_g6gzh> I was just looking at the code with that thought in mind.
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[09:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> To run automatic it really needs dl-fldigi to be able to locate the signal and switch on AFC once found as well
[09:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> it tends to wander about with random noise if you leave AFC on without a signal in bandwidth
[09:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right go to go shopping so VNC in from tablet from middle of Tesco's !
[09:17] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE: it can already RXID the whole passband
[09:17] <Maxell> works for B's at daytime
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[09:20] <mfa298> most of the rtty payloads dont do rsid so that wont help for them
[09:20] <mfa298> Just use mattbrejza's app (although that does mean Java)
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[09:24] <Maxell> eeeeeeeeeeeek
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[09:36] <Maxell> mfa298: does mattbrejza's software has better AFC?
[09:38] <Maxell> If it can get lock without initial user interaction
[09:38] <Maxell> Might be worth porting that into dl-fldigi
[09:40] <mfa298> other than setting buad rate it needs no other settings
[09:40] <mfa298> it detects the rty signal and locks on
[09:41] <gonzo__> depending on the baudrate, it may be req to adjust the filter widths for RTTY
[09:42] <gonzo__> as auto confiog does not set them and for >50bd, the filters are too tight
[09:42] <gonzo__> and for drifty signals, if too tight, the afc is not quick enough
[09:42] <mfa298> I don't think porting matt's app into dl-fldigi is likely to be a sensible option. Probably better to extend the java app to support other modes
[09:43] <gonzo__> not seen the rest of the chat, jsut the last bit
[09:46] <craag_philcrump> Geoff-G8DHE:
[09:46] <craag_philcrump> pong
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[09:52] <amell> morning
[09:52] <amell> remind me what time is the launch for G-06?
[09:54] <amell> exchanged emails with steve, he is particularly keen to get close attention to tracking the .250 as it may be troublesome.
[09:55] <db_g6gzh> 11:00 (presumably local)
[09:55] <amell> congrats to whoever shifted the Bs to a new page.
[09:56] <amell> 11am local = 12 to 1 hab time.
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[09:57] <amell> also where can i get mattbrejzas app? might try it today
[09:57] <db_g6gzh> I'll be tracking both of Steve's but will concentrate on the .250
[09:57] <craag_philcrump> amell: play store: "HAB Modem and Tracker"
[09:57] <amell> should get it on the ground. i was going to go over, but he has the customer with him
[09:58] <amell> play store?!? i was looking for the java app.
[09:58] <amell> to run on a mac
[09:58] <mattbrejza> users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mfb2g09/decoder
[09:58] <mattbrejza> /decoder.jar iirc
[09:58] <fsphil> forgot about steves flight. my radio is still disconnected from the last storm
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[10:02] <craag_philcrump> amell: My bad - assume you meant mobile app
[10:02] <amell> G-06 autoconfig says 300 baud rtty? really?
[10:03] <mattbrejza> why not?
[10:04] <fsphil> 300 works very well
[10:05] <amell> thats fine, just most recent flights have been 50
[10:06] <fsphil> we have a need. a need for speed
[10:06] <craag_philcrump> I hope that soon we'll leave 300 in the dust
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[10:08] <amell> dl-fldigi AND java app at same time is a little slow& :)
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[10:10] <craag_philcrump> Speed off with 1k+ leaving behind a cloud of err, transistor smoke?
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[10:16] <db_g6gzh> craag_philcrump: I added a 2 hour future window to habrotate as per Geoff-G8DHE's comment (just added 7200 to time in 3 places), would you like a pull request?
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[10:53] <MaXimaN> No word on G-06?
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[10:56] <SpeedEvil> Other than the song?
[11:00] <MaXimaN> No, just the song
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[11:17] <navrac_work> no xaben?
[11:21] <MaXimaN> Planned for 40 minutes from now
[11:21] <navrac_work> ah utc - i forgot
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[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No sign of G-06 then ...
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[11:35] <craag_philcrump> Geoff-G8DHE: pong
[11:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> craag_philcrump, Yup sry realised the problem a few seconds after pinging ;-)
[11:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Need an anti-ping command ;-)
[11:39] <fsphil> !ping
[11:39] <craag_philcrump> np
[11:39] <craag_philcrump> You coming this weekend geoff?
[11:39] <fsphil> irc clients should do that
[11:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Sure am
[11:39] <craag_philcrump> I think unping is recognised by some clients
[11:39] <craag_philcrump> great, cya there!
[11:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> right I'll try that, trying to find what commands exist/surpported is a problem on IRC
[11:40] <Maxell> most clients only work if the nick is first "Geoff-G8DHE-M: ping" works, but "ping Geoff-G8DHE-M" not.
[11:40] <Maxell> At least for default Irssi.
[11:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> quite
[11:41] <Maxell> However I added "Maxell" to the hilight list (/hilight Geoff-G8DHE-M) for example, and that makes sure the word "Geoff-G8DHE-M" *anywhere* makes it light up.
[11:41] <craag_philcrump> Yeah I've got that for craag, m0dny, philcrump, etc
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> trouble is will it be surpoorted by whatever client the other is using!
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[11:46] <lilafisch> win goto prophile
[11:46] <lilafisch> gnah
[11:46] <lilafisch> sry
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[11:58] <Maxell> G-06 eta?
[11:58] <Maxell> 2 mins hab-ish?
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[11:59] <db_g6gzh> should have been -119 mins
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[12:01] <db_g6gzh> Graeme was planning to launch it from his holiday in Wales so maybe there's no Internet where he is
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[12:02] <amell> wales?!? aahhhh. i thought it would be from cambridge.
[12:02] <mikestir-work> he said he was at Bala, which I would have thought is pretty well covered
[12:02] <db_g6gzh> but XABEN is real soon now
[12:02] <amell> no wonder i couldnt see it on wf :)
[12:02] <amell> i can see 434.300 now.
[12:02] <db_g6gzh> oh, Bala shouldn't be too bad
[12:03] <mikestir-work> I meant to bring a radio with me to work but I forgot
[12:05] <amell> yep. 434.300 is on.
[12:05] <amell> not strong enough to decode yet
[12:06] <amell> its clearly rtty
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[12:24] <amell> puzzled. I can see carrier tone at 434.251 and 434.312 its just a carrier not rtty.
[12:34] <amell> http://i.imgur.com/Cw7fa0w.png any idea what type of interference that is?
[12:35] <MaXimaN> HL1?
[12:36] <gonzo__> wow, the first time in ages, I've had SNUS respond to clicks in less than a minute
[12:37] <gonzo__> is there a separate page for leo's Bs?
[12:37] <fsphil> there's a link in the description box to it
[12:38] <gonzo__> ta
[12:41] <Laurenceb_> thanks
[12:41] <Laurenceb_> now firefox has crashed
[12:41] <Laurenceb_> the link of death
[12:41] <UpuWork> I strongly suggest you use http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/
[12:42] <UpuWork> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=XABEN0
[12:42] <arko> Hello UK I am in you
[12:42] <craag_philcrump> heh
[12:42] <UpuWork> on behalf of her Majesty the Queen I welcome you
[12:42] <craag_philcrump> btw http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?nobees=1
[12:42] <UpuWork> lol
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[12:42] <UpuWork> no b's
[12:43] <arko> lol
[12:43] <arko> I love this cold weather so much
[12:43] <arko> What a lovely place
[12:43] <UpuWork> no rain ?
[12:43] <arko> Nah
[12:43] <UpuWork> damit jack
[12:44] <fsphil> cold?
[12:44] <UpuWork> sorry Dammit Chloe
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[12:49] <mikestir-work> fsphil: I worked the IoM on 70cm simplex from my house last night, so that plan of trying to have a QSO via a repeater there is maybe more feasible than we thought
[12:51] <fsphil> oh cool!
[12:51] <fsphil> do you normally hear it or where conditions just better than usual?
[12:51] <mikestir-work> well it was the UK AC contest so it was SSB. I don't think conditions were anything special
[12:52] <mikestir-work> I was vertically polarised though so not exactly optimal
[12:52] <mikestir-work> I heard a guy in Belfast as well - he was actually stronger but it wasn't my frequency so I didn't work him
[12:54] <gonzo__> poss someone on high ground
[12:55] <gonzo__> some people take a few vagis up to a hillside for the eve for those sessions
[12:55] <MaXimaN> A freudian slut there, I think
[12:55] <fsphil> belfast is surrounded by hills
[12:55] <mikestir-work> I assume so. The IoM station had some interesting fading and would have been well over my horizon so presumably propagation was being aided by the sea in some way
[12:55] <mikestir-work> he was on the south coast of the island
[12:55] <fsphil> and there's a small mountain range to the south that might block my view of IoM
[12:56] <gonzo__> hehe
[12:56] <amell> becoming more and more convinced that my dongle is damaged
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[12:57] <mikestir-work> better go and see a doctor amell
[12:57] <amell> yep. needs a new one.
[13:00] <Reb-SM0ULC> amell: test with another one?
[13:00] <amell> thats the problem, i dont have one. looking to get one on ebay now
[13:00] <Reb-SM0ULC> ah
[13:01] <Reb-SM0ULC> i bought a bunch, cheap but long deliverytime
[13:01] <amell> i suspect this one has been damaged in the recent elec storms
[13:01] <amell> theres a very strange wideband interference that wasnt there before.
[13:02] <mikestir-work> the only one I've seen fail had the protection diode fail short. knocking that off fixed it again
[13:02] <mikestir-work> it was basically just shorting the antenna out
[13:02] <amell> see the imgur
[13:03] <amell> that wideband interference on http://i.imgur.com/Cw7fa0w.png is still there no matter what i do. when i retune it moves with it.
[13:03] <Maxell> Intermodulation?
[13:04] <amell> with what?
[13:04] <Maxell> strong signal from somewhere else up in the band?
[13:04] <amell> its through a habamp
[13:04] <amell> still there with habamp off.
[13:07] <amell> i think hab time has been redefined. now an hour late.
[13:08] <Maxell> Nothing new :P
[13:08] <daveake> Nope
[13:08] <daveake> Complicated flight
[13:08] <daveake> Windy
[13:08] <amell> i can confirm its windy
[13:09] <amell> balloon will be bouncing off the ground while inflating
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[13:22] <ian_> Maybe we need a balloon waiting signal so that amell doesn't stamp on his sdr only to find that it wasn't at fault but just suffering from ISH :)
[13:23] <amell> iSH? WHats that - an STD?
[13:24] <ian_> Either an SDR complaint or infinitely variable time zone
[13:24] <db_g6gzh> mikestir-work: fsphil: when I was on IoM earlier this year a lot of my APRS was going via stations in England and that was only about 4W from my vehicle
[13:25] <db_g6gzh> GB3GD is up on Snaefell so you should have a good chance
[13:25] <Reb-SM0ULC> mm, dongle detects lighnint very "nice"
[13:27] <ian_> If HAB AMP was ahead of SDR dongle, would that not afford a degree of protection or very unlucky in that any damaging pickup was between amp and dongle?
[13:27] Action: Reb-SM0ULC spots incomming thunderstorm
[13:28] <Maxell> http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=12
[13:35] <Reb-SM0ULC> i run this, http://www.lightningmaps.org/realtime?lang=sv
[13:36] <amell> its up
[13:37] <Maxell> XABEN76: mothership on 434.300 MHz and breakaway vehicle on 434.250MHz
[13:37] <Maxell> G-06: 434.510 MHz RTTY 7n2 300 Baud
[13:37] <amell> xaben is up
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[13:37] <amell> $$$XABEN0,837,13:37:41,52.23619,0.00807,4350*3E77
[13:38] <amell> it may have been a while. i was doing washing up
[13:38] <Maxell> leet!
[13:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> just coming into view here
[13:38] <on4bhm> is a atmel 328 which is bought by mouser the same chip as on arduino boards? or is arduino preloaded witch bootloader of any kind?
[13:38] <Maxell> anything on 434.250MHz already?
[13:38] <amell> 700 shift at the moment on .300
[13:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> nothing visible of HL1
[13:39] <Maxell> ack
[13:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> green
[13:40] <amell> i dont see .250 and its 12 km away from me
[13:40] <MaXimaN> So I am receving both signals
[13:40] <amell> i think theres been a screw up.
[13:40] <Maxell> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=XABEN0;HL1
[13:40] <MaXimaN> But not decoding
[13:40] <amell> can you actually see .250? i dont see it.
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> on4bhm, The chip alone won't have the bootloader on it no.
[13:40] <db_g6gzh> nothing on .250 here and I'm also close by
[13:41] <amell> current distance is 12km but increasing
[13:41] <amell> XABEN0 was strong. I think something has broke unfortunately.
[13:41] <on4bhm> G8DHE: is it easy to put bootloader into it? never done it...
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nor me! I think you need the ICSP route to load it on.
[13:42] <Maxell> XABEN0 gone?
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> xabeno still here with me
[13:42] <Maxell> oki!
[13:42] <navrac_work> no its strong here
[13:42] <amell> its fine
[13:42] <navrac_work> a good 40db above the noise floor
[13:42] <amell> .250 has failed for sure.
[13:42] <Maxell> Might not be active yet
[13:43] <amell> you really think it would turn on mid flight?
[13:43] <amell> dont see the point of that
[13:43] <Maxell> Could :D
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> perhaps HL1 only comes on once the cut-down has operated ?
[13:43] <Maxell> It's an XABEN
[13:43] <amell> more likely he forgot to turn it on or something.
[13:43] <Maxell> they carry crazy stuff :D
[13:44] <MaXimaN> I think I must be missing a dl-fldigi setting somewhere
[13:44] <amell> the java decoder is great by the way mattbrejza, it just locked on straight away
[13:44] <MaXimaN> Coming through loud and clear
[13:44] <amell> no pissing about with shift etc.
[13:45] <Maxell> Green from The Hague: $$XABEN0,866,13:44:56,52.20963,0.08321,7097*A72A
[13:45] <UpuWork> what frequency was HL1 meant to be on ?
[13:45] <Maxell> 293.1km 0.1 degree
[13:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.250
[13:46] <ian_> on4bhm, Geoff-G8DHE, boot loader is easily put on using an Arduino Uno and crystal with two capacitors for the Atmel328p-pu chip
[13:46] <Maxell> Amazing XABEN signal :-)
[13:47] <mikestir-work> on4bhm: Geoff-G8DHE: ian_ just beat me to it, but I was going to add that if you are weaning yourself off Arduino the proper Atmel ISP is cheap and good
[13:47] <craag_philcrump> Nice and loud on the websdr :)
[13:48] <craag_philcrump> new physical site for the websdr btw - I'd be interested to hear how it performs
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[13:49] <amell> HL1 was definately meant to be on before launch.
[13:50] <amell> have email from steve saying he would switch it on just before release.
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[13:50] <MaXimaN> I see two peaks in dl-fldigi on that frequency
[13:50] <amell> well, nothing here and i am 22km distant
[13:50] <MaXimaN> Should the markers span both of those, or track the modulating one?
[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> The markers should align with the two lines you see on the waterfall
[13:51] <on4bhm> i will decide on the hardware once we get there... need to tell the hardware guy to bring the icsp out though
[13:51] <navrac_work> the two red markers should sit on top of the two lines in fldigi
[13:52] <MaXimaN> The right one isn't quite on target
[13:52] <MaXimaN> Butit is automatically tuning now
[13:52] <amell> change custom shift to bring it on target
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> In that case right click the RTTY botton lower left switch the Carrier shift too Custom and set the width
[13:54] <pd7r_> I can see the signal but cannot decode it
[13:54] <Maxell> pd7r_: I just did 293.1km @ 0.1 degree elevation
[13:55] <Maxell> Signal is strong, should be easy
[13:55] <pd7r_> Yep, I am new to this...
[13:56] <Maxell> Welcome :)
[13:56] <Maxell> you see the signal?
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[13:56] <pd7r_> Yes but it looks wider
[13:56] <Maxell> My rtty shift is about 700 Hz, a bit wider then the autoconfigure
[13:57] <Maxell> right click the RTTY botton lower left switch the Carrier shift too Custom and set the width
[13:57] <Maxell> about 710 Hz or so
[13:57] <amell> i think this flight is going in the sea
[13:57] <MaXimaN> Okay, so I can receive the signal two, have the peaks being tracked, and have adjusted gain to get a good s/n ratio
[13:57] <pd7r_> Got it, thanks!
[13:57] <MaXimaN> But it seems to be dropping out chars
[13:58] <Maxell> pd7r_: is it decoding? :-)
[13:58] <MaXimaN> "lTR%2$I%IJ2%RRd2VKKK"lTRrd2$I$erd$%2rrR2e
[13:58] <navrac_work> 50 baud 7,n,1?
[13:58] <UpuWork> take a screen shot
[13:59] <UpuWork> ctrl + prts and then paste into imgur.com
[13:59] <UpuWork> lets see
[13:59] <pd7r_> $XABEN0,91,13:58:40,52.15156,0.2587112263*E4F1
[13:59] <Maxell> Vanaf nu ga je geen enkele ballon meer missen ;)
[13:59] <navrac_work> and have you tried hitting the rv button on the status bar
[13:59] <pd7r_> haha
[13:59] <Maxell> Daar is het te leuk voor :D
[14:00] <db_g6gzh> MaXimaN: some SDR s/w needs swap I/Q with the FCD
[14:00] <Maxell> pd7r_: And thats how I got into the HABbing hobby... http://files.qrz.com/e/pd1ode/knmi_sonde2_crop.jpg
[14:00] <MaXimaN> Yeah, I and Q are swapped
[14:00] <pd7r_> How is it uploaded to the server?
[14:00] <navrac_work> Maximan - it looks like you have the signal reversed - try pushing the rv button bottom right of the screen
[14:00] <db_g6gzh> and set to USB and tuned to the low side?
[14:01] <PE2G> First green fron XABEN at 433 km -0.2 deg in moderate QRM
[14:01] <Maxell> nice work PE2G beat me again :P
[14:02] <PE2G> :)
[14:02] <pd7r_> I got a green too
[14:02] <MaXimaN> navrac_work: Bingo!
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[14:03] <Maxell> pd7r_: http://habitat.habhub.org/ and http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/ept/_list/csv/payload_telemetry/flight_payload_time?include_docs=true&startkey=[%22d8adb572a40a06bf92ebef57465c456d%22,%2278c3ad46dddda9ca2341353940242392%22]&endkey=[%22d8adb572a40a06bf92ebef57465c456d%22,%2278c3ad46dddda9ca2341353940242392%22,[]]&fields=_sentence,_receivers
[14:04] <MaXimaN> navrac_work: Thanks - tracking perfectly now :)
[14:04] <navrac_work> yep I/Q swapped or LSB selected - the button just swaps it for you - easier than mucking about
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[14:09] <amell> upper freq very strong. some occasional fading on the lower freq which messes the packet up.
[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> my w/f here http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/XABEN76_20140813/
[14:09] <amell> that is sick.
[14:10] <MaXimaN> Loud and clear hear - but fading vry slightly on the lower freq occasionally
[14:10] <amell> i need to get a proper radio at some point. hopefully i am in the first 500 for the airspy
[14:10] <amell> will i be the first to hab with airspy?
[14:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> thats an sdr dongle
[14:11] <pd7r_> very strong signal in the center of the Netherlands
[14:11] <amell> airspy will capture the entire hab spectrum to file :)
[14:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> but just how much is it going to cost .....
[14:13] <amell> About the same as FCD i understood
[14:14] <db_g6gzh> heh, my radio has "PULL AGC FAST" on the RF gain knob, so I did and the knob came off
[14:14] <amell> and do you have AGC now?
[14:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Bet that slowed you up a bit then
[14:15] <ian_> For HL1, does anyone know what the different flight phases are, indicated 2 earlier. Also the Flag values, 470 indicated? Always inquisitive :)
[14:15] <db_g6gzh> it came off before pulling the shaft, but I've managed to persuade it
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[14:16] <amell> ian_: I dont think HL1 went as planned
[14:16] <ian_> Yeah, I gathered that, but I'm curious as to how it was supposed to go. Hopefully it will go another day.
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[14:18] <ian_> I feel for the Xaben0 team that it almost came together but not quite. We're still flying condoms at an embryonic level as we try to drag the spectators to take a role in our project.. Uphill struggle and like pushing peas with the nose.
[14:20] <amell> anyone know where its likely to burst?
[14:20] <amell> is this a 40km flight
[14:22] <amell> thats interesting
[14:22] <amell> look at the flight profile for xaben0
[14:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/ukhas/twTLu11wsVs/lvbrrUxd8PIJ
[14:22] <amell> i wonder if hl1 came off. ascent rate increased massively at c. 4000m
[14:23] <amell> 13.37 or so.
[14:23] <amell> what do you think
[14:24] <pd7r_> Is this a 10mW transmitter?
[14:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup
[14:24] <ian_> Might it have Xaben0 been commanded to abort HL1 for an early recovery while still in easy range?
[14:24] <pd7r_> Wow, I am at 324km
[14:24] <pd7r_> and the signal is very clear
[14:24] <amell> i dont think there was an uplink
[14:25] <MaXimaN> Fading in and out here now a little
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[14:25] <db_g6gzh> amell: I think that's just the first airborne data point and the graph drew a straight line from a pre-launch point to it
[14:25] <ian_> I just this moment read the launch announcement and see what you mean.
[14:25] <amell> yeah db, i agree.
[14:26] <db_g6gzh> is there no predictor on mobile tracker ?
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[14:28] <PE2G> pd7r_: Is this yr first HAB reception?
[14:29] <pd7r_> Yep
[14:29] <PE2G> Congrats!
[14:29] <pd7r_> thx :-)
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[14:29] <pd7r_> I did launch balloons before. But without trackers
[14:29] <pd7r_> only GSM
[14:30] <PE2G> GSM trackers?
[14:30] <pd7r_> On landing
[14:30] <pd7r_> http://www.roelkroes.com/roelkroes.com/SammyOne_high_Altitude_Balloon.html
[14:31] <PE2G> OK nice!
[14:32] <MaXimaN> pd7r: Awesome!
[14:33] <pd7r_> Now I got my Ham license, I would like to try again with a transmitter.
[14:37] Action: amell wonders what the cheapest, lightest possible tracker is. GSM.
[14:39] <mattbrejza> a gps+434 radio is cheaper than gps+gsm
[14:39] <amell> but it isnt off the shelf, therefore isnt cheaper
[14:39] <amell> i was thinking more along the lines of dog/cat locator tabs.
[14:39] <craag_philcrump> You can get tk102 clones for about 25 quid
[14:39] <mattbrejza> i have a selection of trackers that sit on a shelf
[14:39] <craag_philcrump> But they're not reliable - even on the ground
[14:40] <craag_philcrump> genuine tk102s are about 40 quid and a bit better
[14:40] <gonzo__> my folks have one od them, they rattle the food tin
[14:40] <gonzo__> pet is then in a klnown location
[14:40] <amell> why wouldnt tk102 be reliable.
[14:40] <amell> apart from coverage issues
[14:41] <mattbrejza> if you want a cheap radio tracker ask someone if they have any spare unpopulated left over pcbs going
[14:41] <pd7r_> 27km I can see the frequency drifting. Is that because of the cold?
[14:43] <craag_philcrump> amell: The firmware on the cheap ones appear to freeze/reboot a lot
[14:44] <amell> lost xaben0 at 42km
[14:44] <amell> clearly theres something wrong with my setup.
[14:46] <amell> oh hang on, its coming back towards me :)
[14:46] <MaXimaN> My reception has diminished quite a bit since it started raining.
[14:46] <MaXimaN> There's nothing for it - I am just going to have to remove the tiles on my roof
[14:46] <gonzo__> may be it's swinging a lot, or poss it's getting draughts cooling it as it rotates
[14:46] <ian_> Rain, a significant signal path factor.
[14:47] <amell> its constantly fading in and out mainly on the lower frequency
[14:47] <Reb-SM0ULC> amell: the cheapest one must by just a cw-id transmitter? or just beeps..
[14:47] <gonzo__> you need heated roof tiles mk1. They are also great for getting the attention of the plod helicopter with thermal cam, thinking youy have something else in the loft
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[14:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> amell, get a Lead tile and put the aerial thru it
[14:48] <ian_> gonzo: a matrix of heated roof tiles spelling out Plod message :) I like that.
[14:48] <amell> ill just put it on the outside.
[14:48] <PE2G> pd7r_: Freq drift is often due to internal temp variations
[14:49] <amell> the concern i have is lightning strikes. what if i am away when lightning comes.
[14:49] <amell> it i put aerial on outside, it will get hit by lightning.
[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Why should it hit your aerial as opposed to all the other aerials around ?
[14:49] <amell> highest point.
[14:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> No tv aerials around you ?
[14:50] <db_g6gzh> it's a very low probability
[14:50] <amell> im in the country
[14:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> well there are lots of trees then
[14:50] <amell> if i put a metal rod up. its the obvious place to strike
[14:51] <amell> tbh i think the weak link here is the rtl dongle noise not the aerial.
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[14:51] <ian_> Ah well, lightning only blows roof tiles off houses in the towns. Maybe you need a large lightning rod a little way away to capture any lighning destined for you.
[14:52] <Reb-SM0ULC> amell: if lightning strikes your antenna at +2-3m above the roof will make no difference
[14:53] <Maxell> Awesome. First packets RX'ed and uploaed on my diamond x-30 and yaesu 897d
[14:53] <ian_> Is there not a church with a spire or something to attract lightning in the area?
[14:53] <Maxell> Even then...
[14:53] <Maxell> They say evey 20 or 30 meters the ligtning finds a new path
[14:54] <Reb-SM0ULC> thankfully there's usually nice and high and well-grounded cell-tower..
[14:55] <ian_> LoL, let the commercials sort out the strike problems!
[14:55] <Reb-SM0ULC> amell: i've grown up with 15m mast connected to our house, right in the "thunderstorm-valley" in sweden. it's no big problem, in summer when probability is high.. just leave antenna disconnected when not using
[14:57] <Reb-SM0ULC> ian_: at least they catch some.. :) just had lightning 2s away from here...
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[14:57] <gonzo__> it's slippery stuff
[14:58] <MaXimaN> Whoa, something went squirrely there
[14:58] <gonzo__> many eons ago, we had a strike on the tv antenna (only a few ft above the chimney) of the house across the road
[14:58] <MaXimaN> Burst?
[14:58] <gonzo__> and there were bigger trees all around
[14:58] <pd7r_> it is going down
[14:59] <Maxell> $$XABEN0,1158,14:57:54,52.204 , n31766,34523*1912
[14:59] <ian_> I noticed that Dorset, for example, has significantly more electrical storms than the Midlands. At night when I hear thunder and see the lightning, I roll over and wish the radio good luck!
[14:59] <MaXimaN> Heh! That's awesome. I didn't expect to actually hear that :D
[14:59] <Maxell> local or XABEN?
[14:59] <gonzo__> we had bits of their exploded roof tiles rattle down on out roof
[14:59] <Maxell> sounded weird
[15:00] <Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1-GkQihKYvM
[15:01] <amell> yeah its burst
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[15:01] <Maxell> Oh sweet lord this looks bonerific http://i.sigio.nl/0ba2649c91a7d65276a22d239c7c7a04.png
[15:01] <amell> coming down fast too
[15:01] <amell> -40m/s
[15:01] <MaXimaN> Yeah
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[15:02] <pd7r_> that will probably change when the air gets thicker
[15:02] <mfa298> they all start off coming down fast at first. There's very little air to slow it down
[15:03] <pd7r_> it is now -35m/s
[15:03] <Reb-SM0ULC> gonzo__: we had a strike at work which went on the outside 8 floors. wiping all electronics within about 20-30 m radius :/
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[15:04] <Maxell> Now with correct altitude http://i.sigio.nl/0be8ce8d61c90db1ab0cb576fc9ee536.png
[15:04] <Reb-SM0ULC> amell: i saw it touching 60 m/s for one or two packets
[15:05] <amell> maxell: what radio are you using?
[15:06] <Maxell> amell: Yaesu FT-897D, Diamond X-30 @ 14 meters above sea/ground/haat
[15:06] <pd7r_> same as me :-)
[15:06] <amell> tight
[15:06] <amell> maybe i should get a proper radio instead of airspy/fcd
[15:07] <pd7r_> 330.7km / 1.1 degree still getting good signals. Never knew that was possible
[15:08] <Maxell> amell: yep that helps a lot
[15:08] <Maxell> however, the antenna is the recieving end
[15:08] <Maxell> make sure that is good first :)
[15:08] <PE2G> XABEN's descent seems a bit fast. At 14 km you'd want to see -14 m/s, not -25 m/s
[15:08] <Maxell> pd7r_: d\o/
[15:08] <amell> predictions seem to have been removed from snus
[15:09] <amell> fortunately population is sparse south of newmarket
[15:09] <MaXimaN> PE2G: Perhaps it is still carrying the breakaway vehicle
[15:09] <mfa298> amell: I've not seen much difference in performance between the FCD Pro+ and a real radio.
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[15:09] <Maxell> pd7r_: This is my first time decoding hab on my own antenna with "hardware" radio
[15:09] <Maxell> MaXimaN: no it was calculated for decent with payload still attached
[15:09] <pd7r_> vet
[15:09] <mfa298> If the antenna is in your loft that will have a significant impact
[15:10] <Maxell> pd7r_: so I am already amazed
[15:10] <Maxell> :P
[15:10] <Reb-SM0ULC> Maxell: cool :)
[15:10] <pd7r_> :-)
[15:10] <Maxell> XABEN0 is not drifitng hard enoug!! i want the cat interface see it compensate for drift!
[15:10] <navrac_work> the fcd pro+ seems to be qabout on a par with most receivers - unless there is a lot of local strong interference.
[15:10] <Maxell> s/hard/fast/
[15:10] <pd7r_> lost the signal. below the horizon
[15:11] <amell> i assume this is being recovered?
[15:11] <Maxell> Nice, last elevation?
[15:11] <pd7r_> 0.7
[15:11] <pd7r_> 329km
[15:11] <Maxell> good good
[15:11] <PE2G> I've lost XABEN at 428 km -0.4 deg
[15:11] <pd7r_> wow
[15:11] <Maxell> RevSpace @ 274.1km, 0,8 degrees nog
[15:11] <navrac_work> I've now got an electraft transverter into a flex 1500 and that does beat the fcdpro+ and my yaesu rigs
[15:11] <Maxell> rtl-sdr w/ habamp
[15:11] <Maxell> getting reds now
[15:11] <amell> still receiving here
[15:11] <amell> 15.3 ele :)
[15:11] <Maxell> qth setup still going strong
[15:13] <ian_> Headed for a water tower . . . ?
[15:13] <Maxell> QTH setup has less buildings to penetrate http://i.sigio.nl/feb704139be66ac724c6e14ea06c1056.png
[15:15] <Maxell> eek $$XABEN0,1226,15:14:54,52.1817,0.4X331,6124*B57F
[15:15] <Maxell> 0,2 dergees
[15:15] <amell> 8.8
[15:17] <amell> lost it at 5K
[15:17] <Maxell> done
[15:17] <Maxell> $$$XABEN0,1231,3s18,24;,8.451,43
[15:17] <Maxell> _{$$$XABEN0,5232,15:16:24,52.17413,0W41704,4809*B342
[15:17] <Maxell> ?}$$$XACEN0,9v#3|q5:1623),2.17?
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[15:18] <Maxell> -0.0 degree, DX is 263.3km
[15:18] <Maxell> For revspace dx 271.6km and 0,2 degree
[15:19] <MaXimaN> Getting reds now
[15:19] <MaXimaN> 95km, 1.3deg
[15:19] <amell> only 3 receivers left now
[15:22] <MaXimaN> Just static now for me
[15:22] <amell> it would be good if it landed inside the prison grounds lol
[15:23] <pd7r_> it is in a field
[15:23] <pd7r_> nice and green
[15:23] <amell> or full of corn
[15:24] <MaXimaN> Hopefull yit missed that little copse of trees there
[15:24] <amell> most of them have been harvested now so hopefully ok
[15:24] <MaXimaN> It's an old image. There's a reservoir there now ;)
[15:24] <amell> barley is still not harvested round here
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[15:26] <ian_> To the wet of Thrift farm and Rosalie farm
[15:26] <db_g6gzh> amell: you should seriously consider getting the antenna in the clear, I've had almost equivalant performance from RTL SDR and my R7000 connected with a T-piece to the HABamp
[15:27] <db_g6gzh> the 451E is a bit more sensitive and the SDR suffers more from adjacent noise
[15:27] <db_g6gzh> but it surprised me how well it did work
[15:28] <navrac_work> looks like it hit the ground with a bit of a thump. I hope the TX is still ok - last reading at 400m means a lot of area to cover
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[15:36] <PB0NER-Martijn> oh no.... I missed it (was out of the office)
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[15:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> amell, this is what you need http://www.plumbnation.co.uk/site/potterton-25-50--roof-tile-243015/?gclid=CNjg5Z7JkMACFSrJtAodjE4AwQ
[15:43] <ian_> This is where a DF equipped FPV quad rotor would come in handy. More toys! Would it have made it as far as a line to the east of the woods
[15:45] <ian_> Warranty on the Potterton Tile is just one year . . . such faith in their product eh? Must be expecting a lot of HABs.Could do with an antenna that carefully lies along the gutter-line when not in use.
[15:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Down the flight path http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/XABEN76_20140813/index.php?ind=7
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[15:57] <ian_> What is the maximum practical sentence ID number that Habitat(?) can handle on tracker messages please? I guess that 4294967295 is both optimistic in the extreme and unlikely?
[15:58] <mattbrejza> well at least a int32
[15:58] <mattbrejza> i would have thought probably int64 though
[15:59] <ian_> Thanks Matt. I don't know what the max achieved in a Bxx flight was.
[15:59] <mattbrejza> well it hasnt yet sent 1million strings
[15:59] <mattbrejza> i think 1billion will take a while
[15:59] <gurgalof> int32 would be plenty of messages
[15:59] <gurgalof> 64 would be insane
[16:00] <adamgreig> ian_: habitat will handle arbitrarily large integers
[16:00] <adamgreig> practical limits apply eventually
[16:00] <mfa298> habitat may not care too mcuh as the records are just stored in couch which uses uuids to identify records (at least that's my understanding of things)
[16:01] <ian_> I guess that it is a large number even in seconds. Impractical, but a looong floater could exceed 65535. Thanks adamgreig and mfa298.
[16:01] <adamgreig> ian_: habitat won't be the thing applying limits, put it that way
[16:01] <mattbrejza> i think i have a payload counter sitting at about 40000
[16:01] <adamgreig> you'll get bored of transmitting the number first
[16:01] <mattbrejza> it gets stored in eeprom so is never wiped
[16:02] <ian_> I think that physics might be a bit of a limiting factor on a number of fronts.
[16:03] <ian_> I guess that FRAM might be a good idea for Leo and his future backlogs, should he continue floating picos.
[16:05] <Laurenceb_> i think picos can be extended a LOT
[16:05] <Laurenceb_> from the ghost project, once you get over 12km altitude, only limits are gas diffusion and UV damage
[16:06] <Laurenceb_> with modern packaging films you can fly for years
[16:07] <ian_> It certainly puts a lot of dimension into amateur radio interests and presents a number of staged challenges for us to rise to.
[16:08] <Laurenceb_> i see no reason why you couldnt fly a pico for decades, the materials exist already
[16:08] <adamgreig> go for it Laurenceb_
[16:09] <Laurenceb_> its in the works...
[16:09] <Laurenceb_> secret multilayer films :P
[16:12] <Laurenceb_> ian_: yeah, microchip does fram now
[16:12] <Laurenceb_> i dont see any pics with fram tho
[16:12] <Laurenceb_> only msp430
[16:14] <ian_> I have a couple of fram chips. I can almost see them if I look hard and close . . . :)
[16:16] <Laurenceb_> im guessing fram pic is coming real soon
[16:19] <mattbrejza> i assume log is lost when the battery's protection circuitry kicks in?
[16:19] <mattbrejza> and so theres no warning?
[16:19] <Laurenceb_> battery protection circuit ?!
[16:19] <Laurenceb_> wazzat
[16:20] <mattbrejza> lol, like to live 'dangerously?'
[16:20] <Laurenceb_> dont need no stinkin protection
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[16:20] <mattbrejza> so how do you stop them discharging too much?
[16:20] <mattbrejza> or do you not bother?
[16:20] <Maxell> ð
[16:20] <Maxell> tududu
[16:24] <ian_> I guess that after a failure with fram, then you would detect the reset condition, sample the fram chip to find out where the last record was written, take the next contiguous serial nr or jump a decade to indicate the discontinuity of service and continue. Sounds good.
[16:25] <ian_> with fram = when using fram
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[17:07] <amell> that strange wideband interference is still there.
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[17:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Your interference is some one else's signal!
[17:49] <mikestir> only if it's spread spectrum, otherwise it's just someone else's signal :)
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[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[17:59] <ian_> Thinking about it, if the package HL1 went with XABEN0, then does it follow that it will have been cut down, silently, at the programmed altitude . . .complete with payload cameras?
[18:00] <ian_> Has XABEN0 been successfully recovered ?
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[18:33] <amell_> no idea.
[18:33] <amell_> we will await a report from rocketboy, at some point after he gets home probably.
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[18:41] <amell> uh oh
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[19:17] <ibanezmatt13> evening
[19:17] <Scott85> Evening all, so I've been doing some research into using an rtlsdr with an ntx2 but was just wondering: would a microcontroller with an nrx2 not do the same as an rtlsdr in a PC?
[19:18] <Upu> no the NRX2 isn't sensitive enough
[19:20] <ibanezmatt13> well, it's that day again tomorrow... :/
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[19:21] <Upu> 2E0
[19:21] <ibanezmatt13> nope, results day
[19:21] <Upu> oh
[19:21] <Upu> you'll be fine
[19:22] <ibanezmatt13> unfortunately, my further maths didn't go as planned, so a high chance of not getting exactly what I kinda need, but ah well
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[19:27] <ve6sar> Are the M0XER balloons still going? They dropped off the space near us site
[19:27] <Upu> think someone filtered them off
[19:27] <Upu> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/
[19:29] <mightymik> link on the page
[19:29] <Scott85> wow, are those balloons that are currently up?
[19:30] <Upu> most likely
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[19:47] <ibanezmatt13> Wow, UMS suggests I could have DCA in further maths modules. That doesn't average out well. McD's here we come :P
[19:49] <Scott85> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=92
[19:50] <Scott85> it says to check on IRC regarding the ordering options?
[19:50] <Upu> hi
[19:50] <Upu> pm
[19:54] <amell> ibanezmatt13: burger flipper? on the bright side meals are free.
[19:54] <ibanezmatt13> that's true, so there is a good side :P
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[19:57] <DL7AD_mobile> Evening
[19:58] <ulfr> g'evenin'
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[20:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening All
[20:22] <Maxell> ohhai
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[20:24] <Upu> hey Tom
[20:24] <Upu> when do you get into the UK ?
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[20:38] <TT7> hello. I am unable to download the EXE version of dl-fldigi for windows from ukhas or anywhere else. Does anyone know what has happened?
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[20:39] <Upu> whats the issue TT7 ?
[20:40] <Upu> Avast antivirus by any chance ?
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[20:41] <TT7> when I click this link http://habhub.org/files/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi-DL3.1-windows-2abd6a7.exe it just says 'the connection was reset'
[20:41] <TT7> yes, I use Avast
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[20:42] <Upu> ok disable it
[20:42] <Upu> download (its clean)
[20:42] <Upu> then reenable it
[20:43] <Upu> false positive
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[20:48] <TT7> it worked. thanks for your help
[20:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: evening :-) Im going to the UK on friday (at about 6.pm i should be in the hotel)
[20:49] <Upu> ok cool we will be getting some food welcome to join us
[20:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: when / where ?
[20:50] <Upu> dunno dunno :)
[20:50] <Upu> where are you staying ?
[20:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> Ok, i have Your mobile number :-)
[20:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu Ibis/Greenwich
[20:51] <Upu> k we'll come get you
[20:51] <Upu> bringing a handheld ?
[20:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> Cool, im taking Maciej from Copernicus Project
[20:51] <Upu> kk
[20:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: yes
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[20:52] <Upu> Monitor 145.200
[20:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> it is charging right now :-)
[20:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok, i'll be on 144.200
[20:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok, i'll be on 145.200
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[20:53] <Upu> and mail me your mobile just in case :)
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[20:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> done
[20:54] <Upu> super
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[20:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> it'll be my shortest visit in the UK ever - 26 hours
[20:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> When im going to the UK by car im driving about 26 hours ;-)
[20:56] <Upu> haha
[20:57] <amell> email from steve
[20:58] <amell> ouch. sounds like he had fun today. now we know what happened to .250
[20:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: how many pens do You need ;-) ?
[20:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> i can bring some ;-)
[20:59] <Upu> I packed some this year :)
[21:00] <Upu> afk a few
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[21:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have plenty of room in my suitcase ;-)
[21:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> See you soon guys :-)
[21:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> night all
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[21:31] <jcoxon> evening
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[21:32] <Upu_M0UPU> evening
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[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[21:35] <ibanezmatt13> evening :)
[21:36] <fsphil> hehe, poor steve
[21:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening jcoxon
[21:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> night all
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[21:54] <DL7AD> good evening
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[22:04] <Laurenceb> we've worked out what google loon is really for
[22:04] <Laurenceb> google earth: live edition
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[22:12] <myier> is it generally useful to send the fix quality on the air, or is the number of satellites a good indicator, with the uBlox 7?
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[22:22] <SpeedEvil> Fix valid or not - absolutely - but HDOP for example - probaly not
[22:24] <myier> ok
[22:24] <myier> thank you
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[22:29] <myier> in case there is a standby between the emission of two packets, is there something particular to do to ease fldigi resume decoding, or not decoding when there is nothing sent?
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[22:43] <fsphil> myier: transmit nulls (0x00)
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[22:44] <fsphil> which you can only do if your rtty runs in the background (interrupt or on hardware)
[22:46] <myier> fsphil: isn't it equivalent to setting the level running at 0? anyway I was more thinking about disabling RF for a few seconds between packets to save battery
[22:48] <fsphil> trouble with that is the AFC in fldigi will wander
[22:49] <myier> indeed :/
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[22:51] <myier> oh seriously, wrongly decoded packets are still sent to habhub?
[22:51] <myier> is the goal to try and reconstruct them from multiple sources?
[22:52] <SpeedEvil> No.
[22:53] <SpeedEvil> Wrongly decoded packets are not sent - the prolem is that if the AFC wanders - itmay not pick up the packers at all
[22:54] <myier> SpeedEvil: I see them on the logtail!
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[23:00] <SpeedEvil> myier: oops
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> I tghinjk they're not displayed is what I meant
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> byut they can be inspected manually
[23:00] <myier> what do you mean manually?
[23:01] <SpeedEvil> SpeedEvil: I see them on the logtail!
[23:02] <fsphil> if the AFC wanders too far fldigi won't decode anything at all
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[23:03] <myier> yes
[23:03] <myier> ok
[23:04] <SpeedEvil> A related issue is that many radios drift excessively when turned off, but are stable when on most of the time
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[23:08] <myier> mine is drifting when I power it back on, because of the poor stability of the power supply, but waiting a bit before restarting to emit packets is a good fix
[23:08] <myier> letting time for the carrier to settle
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[23:13] <myier> with the squelch function of fldigi it seems not to use the AFC
[23:13] <myier> when there is no transmission
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[23:15] <SpeedEvil> That doesn't help if the transmitter drifts when off
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[23:19] <myier> oh yes ok, the ntx2b I'm using doesn't seem to
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