highaltitude.log.20140801

[00:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> bedtime here, ill leave the tracking on. GN all
[00:00] <amell> here too. off
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[00:49] <Boelle_DK> anyone still arround and have B64 going green?
[00:53] <SpeedEvil> Still around, but no radio
[00:53] <Boelle_DK> :-/
[00:53] <Boelle_DK> more waiting for me then
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[01:06] <N2NXZ> Do most balloons of their class usually average the same distance in a given time?
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[01:07] <N2NXZ> B-63 and 64 seemed to operate at the same basic speed and altitude,just wondered if all balloons act this way?
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[01:15] <b0tz> I imagine a lot has to do with wind?
[01:16] <b0tz> rather the balloon and its payload, as the payload is super small from what I've seen
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[01:21] <aadamson> N2NXZ, lots of variables... payload weight, free lift, balloon size, etc
[01:22] <aadamson> on a 36" party balloon at approx 15gr of payload and 2gr of free lift, altitude during the day will be 7500m, night will be a little less
[01:22] <aadamson> just to give you an idea
[01:23] <aadamson> s/7500m/~7500m - it will vary
[01:24] <aadamson> Leo's efforts look similar on the tale of the tape, most likely because they were the same payload design, and a similar, but perhaps different balloon envelop, on the gas, free lift, I haven't a clue, but they looked similar in how they behaved
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[01:38] <N2NXZ> Good info
[01:38] <N2NXZ> I ask since I am having new ideas to get more life from batteries...thinking timer using old data,same balloon
[01:39] <N2NXZ> No point in having the batteries sending data in dead space
[01:40] <N2NXZ> On for 6hrs,off for 24,then on...just an example
[01:40] <N2NXZ> Using best estimates from previous data...but risky
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[01:41] <N2NXZ> Best to be certain to have power than dead batteries for sure
[01:43] <SpeedEvil> If you've got a 'big' micro - you could consider geofencing for likely radio coverage too
[01:44] <N2NXZ> I am staying away from more code...that stuff is brutal and gives me a headache...lol
[01:44] <N2NXZ> Small simple timer,save on tylenols
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[01:45] <N2NXZ> Though about doing something in the code,but forget it,,,and if it fails?
[01:46] <SpeedEvil> you can feed it with test data first of course
[01:46] <N2NXZ> After watching that Japanese weapons video...it seems anything will work
[01:47] <N2NXZ> I could test it on the ground and will of course no matter which method is used
[01:47] <N2NXZ> But that Arduino code is not for me,still recovering from that
[01:47] <N2NXZ> Looked easier before I bought one...ha ha
[01:49] <N2NXZ> http://www.reuk.co.uk/Repeat-Timer-Circuit.htm
[01:51] <N2NXZ> Time for sleepy...have fun and great job on the B-64,maybe 63 will show up.
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[02:03] <jaymzx> Heh. B64's hysplit. You can seriously see where the ambiguity of the prediction takes over.
[02:04] <jaymzx> It looks like a confetti party popper
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[02:46] <WD0BIA> .?
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[04:37] <mrShrimp> jaymzx: Are you online?
[04:38] <jaymzx> yo
[04:40] <mrShrimp> Hey, I was wondering if you have flown any balloons in the Washington area?
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[04:49] <mrShrimp> I've been working on a payload intermittently, and it's basically ready to be flown, but I was wondering if you might know any good launch locations, what with mountains, lakes, and private property covering the state.
[04:50] <mrShrimp> and rivers :P
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[05:09] <arko> looks like we wont be hearing from B-63 for 3 days or so
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[05:16] <jaymzx> sorr, mrShrimp I had to bail for a sec. Nope, no balloons but it sounds like fun.
[05:27] <mrShrimp> Yeah, it should be, if I ever launch it ;). I feel like building the payload was the easy part...
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[06:00] <gurgalof> Im hearing B-64
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[06:08] <gurgalof> just getting bad decodes atm :(
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[06:25] <Reb-SM0ULC> morrn!
[06:25] <Reb-SM0ULC> gurgalof: mee too, hearing nice and clear
[06:26] <gurgalof> just woke up, and oh shit a balloon on top of me
[06:26] <Upu> lol
[06:26] <gurgalof> just ducttaped a dipole on my kitchen window :P
[06:27] <Reb-SM0ULC> just woke up thinking i had some time.. rest of family asleep :)
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[06:27] <Reb-SM0ULC> i have some strange problems, have selected flight, and then contestia 64/100, but:
[06:27] <Reb-SM0ULC> =%ECL7U-S0P5T-Q7S3R9M0U1Y1P-T9O1V2Y-P3O9V4X-P3R8R-.....
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[06:28] <Reb-SM0ULC> any iedas?
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[06:30] <Reb-SM0ULC> and now
[06:30] <Reb-SM0ULC> =%ECL7U-S0P5V-Q7S7T1M0U1Y1P-T9O0P9V-P3O8U6X-P3R9$WVSXCLF7Q^'AO
[06:30] <Reb-SM0ULC> mmm
[06:31] <Upu> RSID on ?
[06:32] <Reb-SM0ULC> yepp
[06:32] <Reb-SM0ULC> only diff is i run from a funcube instead of my rtlsdr:s
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[06:40] <x-f> Reb-SM0ULC, try ticking Rv
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[06:42] <x-f> are you using SDRsharp?
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[06:44] <Reb-SM0ULC> x-f: yes
[06:44] <Reb-SM0ULC> x-f: checked.. waiting.. :)
[06:45] <x-f> you have to invert the IQ when using FCD with SDRsharp, different with RTLSDR
[06:45] <Reb-SM0ULC> x-f: thank you !
[06:46] <x-f> i didn't do anything, it was all you!
[06:46] <Reb-SM0ULC> x-f: didn't know that. mm, maybe first time i've used the funbcube.. mm
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[07:45] <gurgalof> the ultimate question is, how long will B-64 stay in the air? ;)
[07:49] <sp2ipt> until somebody gets a shotgun :)
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[07:57] <gonzo__> would be a hell of a shotgun at 12km up!
[08:01] <mfa298> well it's not yet flown over arko so that might be the next acheivment for it to unlock.
[08:02] <arko> lol
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[08:02] <arko> im fine with that
[08:02] <mfa298> And I want a pass when I'm not at work so I can actively track it. I got some decodes yesterday but I was at work at the time so the radio was just left on in case.
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[08:05] <HA6NN> Hi all
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[08:12] <cipherzero> Hi guys
[08:16] <cipherzero> hm , guess everyone's away.
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[08:30] <b0tz> hi cipher
[08:30] <b0tz> I am here, just trying to get as acquainted with the D72a before I have it in my hands, I am like nose deep in the APRS manual atm
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[08:52] <F1VJQ> OZ1SKY_Brian Looks as if B-64 flight path was just made for you!
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[09:02] <SpeedEvil> What is the hysplit on the tracker showing - how far apart are the balls?
[09:02] <SpeedEvil> an hour?
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[09:31] <ak4rp> SP is flying over central Europe right now. 434.950 100 baud 850 Hz RTTY, 7N2
[09:31] <ak4rp> http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=SP
[09:32] <oh1jcs> Looks like we will have a real celebrity, B-64, soon flying overhead. :)
[09:32] <UpuWork> you have quite a few listeners :)
[09:32] <daveake> victory lap
[09:33] <oh1jcs> Lol.. :)
[09:34] <SpeedEvil> B63s hysplit shows it's quite possible it's stalled off western africa. And may even be for some time. It could reach spain in several days
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[09:38] <F1VJQ> SpeedEvil what part of W Africa ? Anywhere near Canaries? Maybe could get someone in EA8 to listen
[09:38] <SpeedEvil> Out to sea
[09:38] <navrac_work> I'll stop looking then. It seems Leo's balloons work best when I'm away for a day or so
[09:39] <F1VJQ> OK thanks
[09:39] <SpeedEvil> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/ - expand b63, click 'hysplit' - and you can click on a ball to indicate when it is in the trajectory
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[09:55] <amell> speedevil: according to that B-63 has a slim chance of making an appearance monday
[09:56] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[09:56] <SpeedEvil> As I understand it the hysplit is based on data generated when contact was lost.
[09:56] <amell> its a manual run.
[09:56] <amell> why is B-66 still on the map?
[09:56] <SpeedEvil> It does not unfortunately update itself with new models as they are available - so the forecast is really questionable several days out
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[09:58] <amell> hmm! according to B-64 hysplit, it has a slim chance of getting to the north pole!
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[09:59] <amell> hysplit shows max latitude of 84.5 degrees
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[09:59] <amell> i fear we will lose B-64 forever as it exits the north of finland.
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[10:10] <mightymik> is upu around?
[10:10] <UpuWork> might be
[10:11] <UpuWork> depends if its complex
[10:11] <UpuWork> :)
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[10:11] <mightymik> Q: if you yank the filter out of the habamp, what is its frequency responce?
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[10:12] <UpuWork> err someone did this
[10:12] <UpuWork> ping nats`
[10:12] <UpuWork> relatively flat I think
[10:12] <mightymik> down to what?
[10:12] <edmoore> at that point you've just bought a fet?
[10:12] <Darkside> i don't think it'll work right down to HF
[10:13] <mightymik> fet on a board w/ a PS
[10:13] <Darkside> go look up the frequency response of a PSA4-5043+
[10:13] <Darkside> and thats about what you get
[10:13] <Darkside> plus a little bit of high-pass response from the dc-blocking caps
[10:13] <edmoore> there's dc-blocking caps in there too
[10:13] <UpuWork> or just use the LNA4ALL
[10:13] <edmoore> but i doubt they'll be a problem if you're still thinking about rf work
[10:13] <mightymik> it's rated down to 50 but i have one that claime down to 14 MHz, but it quit working
[10:14] <Darkside> ahh
[10:14] <Darkside> down at HF you probably want to be using a MMIC lik a GALI-74+
[10:14] <Darkside> a lot of the MMIC's don't quite make it down that far
[10:14] <mightymik> I have to repair my LNA4ALL, and FETs are hard to source at qty < 20
[10:15] <edmoore> where are you?
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[10:15] <edmoore> i've not really had a problem getting fets and mmics in single units
[10:15] <mightymik> Oakland, CA USA
[10:15] <edmoore> they're so simple that you might aswell just build one yourself with what you can get
[10:15] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM all
[10:16] <UpuWork> Morning Herman
[10:16] <Darkside> minicircuits do samples now
[10:16] <Darkside> so you might want to look at that
[10:16] <UpuWork> You want a spare PSA4 ?
[10:16] <edmoore> you're in oakland!? is this a specific fet you're after then? digikey i'd have thought would carry what you want in low qty
[10:16] <Darkside> UpuWork: PSA4's dont go to HF
[10:16] <edmoore> or a drop-in substitute
[10:16] <UpuWork> ok sorry
[10:16] <mightymik> I've seen kits on eBay, and i have a few of the psa4-5043+ comming, but not much room on the board to work
[10:16] <Darkside> a GALI-74 is a nice MMIC i'd reccommend for HF
[10:17] <Darkside> it wont fit directly on the PSA4 footprint of course
[10:17] <Darkside> but since its HF, you could probably get away with some rework wire
[10:18] <edmoore> or just use a valve
[10:18] <Darkside> you do need a bias resistor with the GALI though, unlike the PSA4
[10:18] <Darkside> edmoore: useful comments please
[10:18] <Darkside> its 2014, we don't need to use valves any more
[10:18] <mightymik> is gali 84 close?
[10:18] <edmoore> go away
[10:18] <edmoore> i have golden ears
[10:18] <Darkside> mightymik: GALI-84 is a little bit different
[10:18] <edmoore> i can hear fets distort my immersive soundscape
[10:19] <Darkside> mightymik: more dsigned as a PA than as a LNA
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[10:19] <edmoore> i'm fed up with have mozart ruined by NEGATIVE FEEDBACK
[10:19] <Darkside> edmoore: i thought you quit IRC
[10:19] <Darkside> bcause you'd spoken over a million words in here
[10:19] <edmoore> back briefly to watch leo cross the finishing line
[10:20] <amell> clearly trying for two million words.
[10:21] <edmoore> that'd be a thing, but not a good thing
[10:21] <amell> how do i see my word count?
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[10:23] <fsphil> throw the laptop into fire, watch the flames for the number
[10:23] <edmoore> that's expensive but it works
[10:27] <edmoore> how's research anyway Darkside?
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[10:30] <mfa298> amell: I think word count is only for the top two but you can see you're line count on http://habhub.org/zeusbot/pisg.html
[10:31] <mfa298> looks like 2nd place for word count is now fsphil (I'm sure it used to be Laurenceb_ )
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[10:52] <mightymik> I have some samples on the way ... but the board i'm repairing is tight
[10:55] <mightymik> digikey doesn't carry minicircuits
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[11:05] <cipherzero> couldnt find an energizer ultimate, only found energizer maximum
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[11:07] <amell> energizer lithium?
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[11:18] <lz1dev> SpeedEvil: hysplit for mobile tracker updates after a new GFS is available, so every 6hrs
[11:18] <lz1dev> http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_log.txt
[11:25] <SpeedEvil> lz1dev: Does that apply to - say - 7 day old tracks?
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[11:26] <SpeedEvil> That is - does it use the most recent periods information for the +6 +12 +... hour tracks, or does it look at - for a 7 day old track, the 7 day old prediction for 7 days + 6 hours, ...
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[11:26] <lz1dev> pertty sure they use previus GFS runs
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[11:27] <lz1dev> for accuracy as well as doing backward trajectory prediction
[11:27] <lz1dev> previous*
[11:27] <SpeedEvil> ah
[11:29] <lz1dev> thanks adblock
[11:29] <lz1dev> this mapquest thingy hangs my browser every time
[11:29] <lz1dev> who uses flash in 2014
[11:30] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
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[11:31] <Reb-SM0ULC> Contestia work in amazing ways
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[11:34] <SpeedEvil> Tracks that go off the top of the map always look wierd :)
[11:34] <SpeedEvil> Time to call for hams at the pole :)
[11:34] <lz1dev> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/186278_trj001.gif
[11:35] <lz1dev> looks like b63 might showup in spain
[11:35] <lz1dev> in about 3 days
[11:35] <SpeedEvil> Well.
[11:36] <SpeedEvil> If you look carefully at that 'splat' - you find that a hell of a lot of the dots are actually stuck there even days from now
[11:37] <lz1dev> nnot sure how accurate that spat is
[11:37] <lz1dev> resolution is 1 degree
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[11:37] <lz1dev> gif is with 0.5 degree
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> Oh - you get n gifs, and pull them apart into data?
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[11:42] <lz1dev> no there are two forcasts
[11:42] <lz1dev> GFS with 1 degree resolution
[11:42] <lz1dev> and GFS05, with .5 degree res
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[11:42] <OH2FQV> Good afternoon, I would appreciate to have little help with fldigi. I cant get it to HAB mode
[11:43] <fsphil> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/01/balloon_circumnavigates_world/
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> ah
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> OH2FQV: are you downloading dl-fldigi? The stock one doesn't do HAB
[11:45] <OH2FQV> Hi SpeedEvil - http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi#version_31 Been downloading from there, but its not the right one
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[11:46] <lz1dev> how is the guy in spain
[11:46] <lz1dev> but his time zone is +2
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[11:56] <Reb-SM0ULC> OH2FQV: you get a link in dl-fldigi hab-mode?
[12:00] <OH2FQV> Reb-MS0ULC I just understood to create shortcut and had hab in that. now it starts at hab mode, but I cant find my self from the map
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[12:07] <OH2FQV> I get this warning: could'n set stationary location : invalid float
[12:07] <OH2FQV> I cant remember what it was form
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[12:26] <Reb-SM0ULC> OH2FQV: aha, dl-client -> configure -> location -> 60.45 & 19.35 etc
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[12:27] <OH2FQV> Red-SM0ULC I just managed to remember what it was last time. Made this same error. Now I got few packets, few of the very last as balloon goes away from me. Thanks of your kind help
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[12:45] <OH2FQV> For future reference: for basic configuration, locator grid is not enough, but it needs GPS coordinates to Location tab. like 50.123456 20.123456 and altitude in meters.
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[13:11] <jededu> Recieved upu thx
[13:11] <UpuWork> no probs cheers jededu
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[13:26] <cipher0> damn, cant find any lithium batteries by energizer , duracell or any other. they're all alkaline
[13:27] <mightymik> try eBay?
[13:28] <cipher0> problem is very slow shipping to my country
[13:28] <cipher0> but i have one more idea
[13:28] <cipher0> but ill need some opinion from people who know electronics
[13:29] <lz1dev> patato batteries?
[13:29] <cipher0> Heres the cheap chinese camera im using for first test flight: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxMDAw/z/f98AAOxyUgtTKWed/$_57.JPG
[13:29] <cipher0> as you can see it has an external charger that you can put AA batteries in
[13:30] <cipher0> now, AA batteries are 1.5 V
[13:30] <cipher0> What if Illuse this instead,http://www.ebay.com/itm/2600mAh-Portable-Mobile-External-Battery-USB-Charger-for-cellphone-Power-Bank-/121298058205?pt=US_Cell_Phone_PDA_Batteries&var=&hash=item1c3ded7bdd
[13:30] <cipher0> which ive found inmy country
[13:30] <daveake> Did someone say "Cheap Chinese"
[13:30] <daveake> I have an alert for that :p
[13:31] <cipher0> it outputs 5V, what will happen to a device like my camera if it works at 1.5 V ?
[13:31] <oh2ftg> badthings
[13:31] <cipher0> will it get damaged or just charge faster?
[13:32] <mightymik> it will burn
[13:32] <N2NXZ> That is incredable :) http://www.head-fi.org/content/type/61/id/778046/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL
[13:33] <daveake> USB is 5V. So what you have there is a 1.5V --> 5V converter
[13:33] <cipher0> what do you mean?
[13:33] <daveake> Well I was going to ask you that ...
[13:34] <daveake> The camera has a 5V USB charge socket. You want to use a 5V USB charger. I'm struggling to see the problem.
[13:35] <daveake> The (possible) issue is temperature. The innards of the payload can get below zero C and some battery types (e.g. Alkaline) will struggle
[13:35] <cipher0> But the battery charger which comes with the camera doesnt use a usb to mini usb cable though
[13:35] <mightymik> if it has a USB socket, it should be good
[13:36] <cipher0> I tried finding out how many volts the camera needs but cant find that info
[13:36] <daveake> Generally, with a camera payload and decent insulation, and assuming a normal up-burst-down flight, the payload innards won't get much below zero, because of the generated heat
[13:36] <daveake> I told you it's USB therefore it's 5V
[13:37] <cipher0> sporry daveake, whats USB?
[13:37] <cipher0> you mean mini usb?
[13:37] <daveake> Any USB mini maxi micro blue blank pink don't care it's 5V the end
[13:38] <cipher0> you can seethe cable next to the red battery holder capsule http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMVgxMDAx/z/VL8AAOxyHltSToQl/$T2eC16h,!zIFIeO2MdY5BSToQk0,!!~~60_57.JPG
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[13:38] <cipher0> on one side its mini usb and on the other its like a smaller headphone jack
[13:39] <cipher0> the mini usb gets connectedto the camera, and the other side to the battery capsule
[13:39] <fsphil> lol, oli is now famous: http://www.southgatearc.org/news/2014/august/434_mhz_party_balloon_b64_completes_epic_journey.htm
[13:40] <daveake> <cipher0> sporry daveake, whats USB?
[13:40] <daveake> Seriously?
[13:40] <cipher0> No, I mean what do you mean is usb
[13:40] <daveake> The camera charge socket is USB
[13:40] <mightymik> i thik at this point it's no longer a party balloon
[13:40] <daveake> The charger has a USB plug
[13:40] <daveake> one fits in the other
[13:41] <cipher0> I understand, im asking if you mean standarrd usb or mini usb]
[13:41] <daveake> As I said, it's all 5V
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The specification for USB states that the voltage will be 5Volts, no matter what the plug on the other end, coming in/out of a USB plug/socket is 5V.
[13:41] <cipher0> Well i didnt understand
[13:41] <daveake> If the camera has a USB socket for charging, then you use that
[13:41] <daveake> If it doesn't then you don't
[13:42] <daveake> Anyhoo it's a shit camera use a Canon A-series instead
[13:42] <cipher0> I know its shit but its light and for first test, i dont want the risk of losing a GoPro
[13:43] <daveake> I didn't mention GoPro
[13:43] <cipher0> And it runs at -20C too
[13:43] <daveake> How much is this thing?
[13:43] <cipher0> the resolution sucks though
[13:43] <daveake> You don't need high resolution; clouds are soft and the ground is far away
[13:44] <cipher0> I have a GoPro, I mean I have a better camera but dont want to risk it for first test flight
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[13:44] <daveake> And how much is this cheap camera?
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[13:44] <blablsd3434534> KEKS!!
[13:45] <cipher0> like $10 on ebay
[13:45] <cipher0> but $25 around here
[13:45] <daveake> You can get a used A-series Canon for that sort of money
[13:45] <daveake> Much better image quality
[13:45] <daveake> Known to work
[13:46] <cipher0> isnt it heavy?
[13:46] <daveake> 125g upwards
[13:46] <daveake> Why would this be an issue?
[13:47] <cipher0> because of balloon size/ascent speed
[13:47] <lz1dev> daveake: not sure he has access to proper balloon
[13:47] <es5nhc> I sure wonder how Daily Mail would cover the current radio propagation... Just had a sporadic E opening into Bulgaria, 2 FM BC stations w/ RDS!
[13:47] <mightymik> nice
[13:47] <cipher0> (bought few balloons from Steve yesterday)
[13:48] <mightymik> 50 and 70 MHz Es w/ high MUF
[13:48] <daveake> Cool. 125g is the approx weight of a GoPro with extra battery, so if you don't have the weight budget for one you won't have it for the other either
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[13:49] <daveake> ^ first known IRC join/quit of a cat walking over a keyboard?
[13:49] <es5nhc> hahaha
[13:49] <cipher0> I havent actually heard about the Canon A series to be honest
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[13:50] <daveake> e.g. A495
[13:50] <daveake> Which is about the lightest of that range. Look for one that takes AAs (Lithiums ofc) and has CHDK support
[13:50] <cipher0> surprised a camera that size is that lightweight
[13:50] <cipher0> (including batteries)
[13:51] <daveake> + batteries (30g)
[13:52] <daveake> I fyou're using a 500g+ balloon it's well within your weight budget
[13:52] <cipher0> my whole box including the camera, its battery, gps and parachute is like 208 grams right now
[13:52] <daveake> fine
[13:53] <cipher0> im just using what the wiki suggested
[13:53] <cipher0> to get to at least 28000 meters at 5 m/s
[13:54] <cipher0> maybe I got something wrong?
[13:54] <daveake> wrong where?
[13:55] <daveake> 208g is pretty light. I'd guess most payloads are around 500g these days.
[13:55] <cipher0> I mean in my calculations on how many grams my payload can be for a 600g balloon to reach 28000meters at 5 m/s ascent speed?
[13:56] <cipher0> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:balloon_data
[13:57] <daveake> You're better off using http://habhub.org/calc/
[13:57] <malgar> cipher0: I used an A-series Canon with CHDK installed
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[13:57] <malgar> and eneregizer lithium batteries AA
[13:57] <malgar> lithium ultimate
[13:57] <daveake> And from that a 600g Hwoyee will take 600g payload to 28km
[13:58] <cipher0> its Pawan
[13:59] <daveake> Same result
[14:00] <cipher0> yeah... its different for that calculator
[14:01] <daveake> So, now you have a weight budget of 600g for that 28km
[14:01] <daveake> Plenty for a decent camera
[14:02] <cipher0> Well arent I lucky. So the data on the wiki isnt really accurate, huh?
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[14:03] <cipher0> Thanks daveake
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[14:06] <N2NXZ> Any prediction to B-63`s demise?
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[14:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The current hysplit for 63 takes it out into mid atlantic for a dance
[14:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> only a couple of paths make it into Europe at present
[14:08] <N2NXZ> Thank you,I was wondering if to monitor some web tuners.Not sure frequencies to check
[14:08] <N2NXZ> Azores maybe?
[14:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Have you tried the Mobile trackers Hysplit button ?
[14:09] <N2NXZ> No
[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/
[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> then select ballon and hit the hysplit button under the balloon, wait a little while ;-
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[14:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> needs a laptop/desktop not a tablet or Phone
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[14:14] <N2NXZ> Looking now
[14:25] <N2NXZ> Assuming 70cm where to check?
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[14:29] <Geoff-G8DHE_> On 70cms Leo's flights allways use 434.5Mhz 64/1000 contestia
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE_> with a RSID lead in
[14:32] <N2NXZ> Thanks again,will monitor Azores since it is the only one available...just having my coffee,something to do.
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[15:16] <fsphil> ot but cool: http://www.digitalsky.org.uk/atmospheric/2014-08-01_Fallstreak-Cloud_IMG_7285.jpg
[15:16] <MaXimaN> I noticed that Leo is using a single cell LiPo battery (judging by the voltage)on B-64 but I'm surprised by how well it's holding up in sub-zero temperatures where performance drops or some cells stop working altogether.
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[15:22] <MaXimaN> I wonder what thermal insulation is being used (if any). The pictures looked like it was just good ol' heatshrink wrap. :)
[15:23] <mattbrejza> i dont think they charge when the cells are below zero
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[15:24] <fsphil> I wonder if the balloon will outlast the battery
[15:25] <mattbrejza> its only had about 12 recharge cycles
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[15:36] <oh2ftg> fsphil: well it has solar cells
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[15:39] <jededu> Could be launching my first pico this weekend depending on weather seems to be testing ok
[15:43] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: B-64 balloon on RSGB's GB2RS News: http://t.co/FSglRiLo1L #hamradio #hamr #ukhas
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[15:45] <aadamson> MaXimaN, Leo, uses a special *cold chemstry* lipo
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[16:09] <cipher_> I did some test of putting chinese cameras and GPS systems in a freezer for a day and seeing how they do. They both worked fine in the -16C, except for the camera's external alkaline battery which dried up in 30 minutes
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[16:11] <cipher_> But one thing, the cameras lens got blurry from the layer of water which got on it. Does anyone know if this can happen if the camera goes through clouds while ascending. Because the video becomes too blurry.
[16:11] <edmoore> somewhat as expected
[16:11] <edmoore> but you now have some solid reasons to go for lithiums
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[16:12] <cipher_> yeah
[16:14] <cipher_> I'll try with the external mini usb power bank (lithium) because I cant find energier or any other lithium AA batteries and they cost pretty cheap
[16:16] <craag_philcrump> If that's a rechargeable usb power bank then it won't be the same lithium chemistry
[16:16] <craag_philcrump> and may not work in low temperatures either
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[16:19] <cipher_> probably but cheap enough to give it a try instead of waiting for shipping from ebay
[16:19] <craag_philcrump> Yep
[16:20] <craag_philcrump> Just let it warm up before recharging it
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[16:20] <craag_philcrump> some *really* don't like being charged while frozen
[16:20] <cipher_> the rechargable battery of the GPS seems fine, though I guess GPS uses far less power because it only sends GPS signals when I "call it", I think
[16:21] <cipher_> And thanks for the tip craag_philcrump (are we tslking about exploding?)
[16:22] <craag_philcrump> Yes, I've heard of it happening. I don't know the specifics.
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[16:23] <cipher_> OK, I'll remember that tip for sure then
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[16:36] <maxmed> Hi, still having some issues with my code: https://github.com/Max-Med/New_HAB_Code/blob/master/New_HAB_Code_ino_ino/New_HAB_Code_ino_ino.ino when it loses the gps fix it sends out the warning message withe the old gps data as expected. The latitude and longitude come out as expected but the altitude comes out completly different than the previous altitudes and the time comes out very different (often not even an actual time
[16:37] <maxmed> whereas the time should stay constant until it regains a good gps fix so the time can be updated
[16:38] <DL7AD> is it possible to change the mobile tracker to UTC by default? it shows me an incorrect timezone -.-
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[16:45] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: I wonder if the oscillatory frequency of the balloon tells you about internal gas pressure
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[16:46] <LeoBodnar> there must be an oscillation mode defined by envelope elasticity and internal pressure
[16:47] <Laurenceb_> where is the raw data?
[16:48] <Laurenceb_> when im sufficiently bored ill try a spectrogram of it
[16:48] <LeoBodnar> http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
[16:49] <Laurenceb_> thanks
[16:50] <arko> someone in finland should point a telescope at B-64 and try to take pictures of it
[16:50] <arko> its a crapshoot
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[16:55] <MaXimaN> Leo: Awesome job with B-64 (and 63)! I was wondering if you have any kind of LiPo protection circuit onboard to cut power if the voltage falls too low?
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[16:58] <Upu> built into the charging IC I suspect MaXimaN
[17:03] <MaXimaN> Would make sense but I did see the voltage drop as low as 2.4V in the telemetry. 2.8V would usually be the absolutely minimum you'd want to go to before damaging the cell. Current drain must be respectable nonetheless, seems to last most of the night before reaching 2.8 anyway.
[17:06] <MaXimaN> A lot to cram into 9g :D
[17:08] <Laurenceb_> lipo voltages scale with temperature
[17:08] <Laurenceb_> (as a first order approximation)
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[17:11] <MaXimaN> Indeed, that's true.
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[17:11] <MaXimaN> I was just looking at the telem data for recent nights and it doesn't seem to have dropped lower than 3V
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[17:39] <LeoBodnar> i have a cutoff at 3.0v but it does not seem to be working in the air (it does on the bench)
[17:39] <LeoBodnar> low voltage at low temperatures is caused by increased Rint, not by depletion of electrolyte
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[17:39] <LeoBodnar> so i am a bit relaxed about it
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[17:43] <F1VJQ> LeoBodnar have you a hysplit for b-63? I can't get it to work on mobile tracker
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[17:44] <F1VJQ> rumoured it may come up near Spain... I'll leave 2m igate running and point yagi in general direction if I can get a rough idea where
[17:46] <fsphil> nobody expects the B
[17:47] <arko> hahaha
[17:47] <fsphil> I keep checking the radio just in case
[17:47] <F1VJQ> fsphil nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition
[17:47] <fsphil> that's the one :)
[17:48] <daveake> It's Leo's ruthless efficiency
[17:48] <F1VJQ> We have a fanatical devotion to Leo...
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[17:49] <es5nhc> Haha... love the Monty Python reference
[17:50] <F1VJQ> He's a HABist and thats OK.. he flies all night and he flies all day
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[17:53] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/AUSmMjI.png -- it's just a flesh wound
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[17:54] <arko> lol
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[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[17:58] <cm13g09> First law of cron: make it email you when jobs fail.
[17:58] <cm13g09> Second law of cron: Make sure your jobs don't fail
[17:58] <cm13g09> (isn't that right fsphil)
[17:58] <F1VJQ> ah... if the cron fails, how does it do that!!
[17:59] <cm13g09> F1VJQ: I've been getting emails every 10 mins from Cron for the last 5 days
[17:59] <cm13g09> getting slightly fed up with it
[17:59] <F1VJQ> ah..so it executes, but errors?
[17:59] <cm13g09> yeah
[18:00] <gonzo_nb> it's just to make you feel wanted
[18:00] <lz1dev> First law of lazy cron jobs: add > /dev/null
[18:00] <F1VJQ> I thought it may fail to start!
[18:00] <cm13g09> lol
[18:00] <fsphil> why was I singled out there? :)
[18:00] <cm13g09> lol
[18:00] <cm13g09> because I know you're a sysad ;)
[18:01] <cm13g09> or have sysadmin experience
[18:01] <fsphil> me and cron get on fine though (well, that and > /dev/null)
[18:01] <cm13g09> lol
[18:01] <cm13g09> I was getting a message about being unable to update awstats from /etc/awstats/awstats.conf
[18:01] Action: arko still waits for B-66
[18:01] <cm13g09> the cause was that I was using that as a template for all other awstats files
[18:01] <arko> some day...
[18:02] <cm13g09> and didn't want it running
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[18:03] <F1VJQ> B-64 not far off completing an Arctic Challenge again
[18:06] <LeoBodnar> how can i delay a job on OS X using "at" ?
[18:06] <LeoBodnar> it does not run...
[18:07] <LeoBodnar> i am using (sleep 10; ./job)& instead
[18:07] <LeoBodnar> but it's annoying
[18:08] <LeoBodnar> it is also patronizing
[18:09] <LeoBodnar> at now + 2 minute ...
[18:09] <LeoBodnar> at: pluralization is wrong
[18:10] <LeoBodnar> at now + 1 minutes ...
[18:10] <LeoBodnar> at: pluralization is wrong
[18:12] <Trieste> is something like "at $(( `date +%s` + 1234 ))" unacceptable?
[18:12] <Trieste> (emphasis on "something like", I have no idea whether the above thing would even run)
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[18:13] <Trieste> LeoBodnar
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[18:14] <cm13g09> LeoBodnar: Normally, I use: at <date> <time>
[18:14] <cm13g09> e.g. at 2014-08-01 21:00
[18:15] <cm13g09> you can omit the date
[18:15] <Trieste> cm13g09: I was thinking he just wants to delay it, i.e. relative time specification
[18:15] <cm13g09> Trieste: Never done that with at
[18:15] <Trieste> me neither
[18:15] <cm13g09> on Ubuntu: at now + 5 min
[18:15] <cm13g09> that works
[18:15] <Trieste> that's exactly what doesn't work for leo
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[18:16] <cm13g09> exactly
[18:16] <cm13g09> I can't second guess OSX
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[18:25] <mfa298> for a few minutes I'd tend to just go for the "sleep 300 && ./job" you know it's going to be installed and just work.
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[18:48] <Geoff-G8DHE_> LeoBodnar, Your B-64 flight in 3 minutes, if you have GE available ! http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/index.php?ind=0
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[18:56] <LeoBodnar> great stuff Geoff-G8DHE_ ! just watched it twice :D
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[19:52] <Laurenceb__> is B-64 out of range?
[19:54] <LeoBodnar> we'll fix it
[19:57] <Laurenceb__> its alive :D
[19:58] <Laurenceb__> B-64 duration > B-63 ?
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[20:03] <LeoBodnar> 493 hours
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[20:04] <lz1dev> LeoBodnar: how long is the backlog ?
[20:04] <LeoBodnar> 5 days
[20:04] <lz1dev> so if b63 shows up
[20:04] <lz1dev> we should get the entire flight over the ocean?
[20:08] <LeoBodnar> perhaps
[20:08] <LeoBodnar> if GPS did not reset
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[20:38] <arko> haha did B-64 just do an arctic?
[20:44] <craag_philcrump> break ALL the records!
[20:44] <LazyLeopard> Heh. One thing for sure; it has such a long track that spacenear.us is moribund.... ;)
[20:44] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
[20:45] <craag_philcrump> LazyLeopard: If you can ignore the horizontal glitches, use habmap
[20:45] Action: LazyLeopard is behind the curve there. What's habmap?
[20:45] <craag_philcrump> http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/
[20:46] <LazyLeopard> Well, I can guess what it is, so "where is it" is probably a better question.
[20:46] <LazyLeopard> Thansk
[20:46] <arko> ha! B-63 almost did an arctic
[20:47] <arko> wait it did
[20:47] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, that works ;)
[20:47] <arko> by a lot
[20:47] <arko> neat
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> 64 might be heading that way too :)
[20:48] <Laurenceb__> is there a hysplit for B-64?
[20:48] <arko> well 64 cross the arctic circle, now its going to the north pole to chill
[20:49] <arko> crack open a beer and celebrate circumnavigating the globle
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/ - click hysplit
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[21:01] <DL7AD> SpeedEvil: omg.
[21:01] <DL7AD> what a mess
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[21:03] <lz1dev> alternatively http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/195235_trj001.gif
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> lz1dev: Circular!
[21:04] <arko> lol if it does it round 2 in less time that would be amazing
[21:06] <DL7AD> lz1dev: i dont like the graph at all because the lines coveres all of the map
[21:06] <fsphil> it's cheating if it doesn't cross all latitudes :)
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[21:06] <arko> lol
[21:07] <fsphil> some of them are pretty weird
[21:07] <arko> most of those work out going around
[21:07] <fsphil> the yellow one seems to be going backwards
[21:07] <lz1dev> DL7AD: hysplit you mean?
[21:07] <arko> hah
[21:07] <DL7AD> lz1dev: yeah
[21:07] <arko> non for the US :(
[21:07] <lz1dev> 192 hours is kinda messy I agree
[21:07] <lz1dev> only running it because of b63
[21:08] <fsphil> when is 63 due to turn up?
[21:08] <lz1dev> maybe around 4th
[21:08] <arko> sunday it seems
[21:08] <lz1dev> in spain
[21:08] <LeoBodnar> world wide hunt
[21:08] <fsphil> good while yet
[21:08] <lz1dev> it a slim chance
[21:10] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/xanN7SP.jpg
[21:10] <arko> imagine all the cool sights B-64 and 63 have seen during flight
[21:11] <fsphil> hopefully not that one. that would definitly be cheating
[21:11] <arko> lol
[21:12] <arko> world is so pretty
[21:12] <lz1dev> HDR photo, up'd saturation, up'd contrast, up'd clarity
[21:12] <arko> heh yeah
[21:12] <arko> or the pilots were on acid
[21:12] <fsphil> do pilots get bored of the view?
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[21:12] <arko> thats a good question
[21:12] <lz1dev> do they even look out the window?
[21:13] <arko> i suspect sometimes
[21:13] <arko> not if its a 78
[21:13] <arko> 7
[21:13] <arko> those dont even have windows for the pilots
[21:13] <arko> which is very wtf to me
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[21:13] <lz1dev> what do they need windows for?
[21:13] <lz1dev> really?
[21:13] <LeoBodnar> do they have a dog?
[21:14] <arko> hahaha
[21:14] <LeoBodnar> it's an old joke
[21:14] <fsphil> incase the co-pilot has bad wind
[21:15] <arko> ooh
[21:15] <arko> i maybe mistaken
[21:15] <LeoBodnar> Future planes: The pilot is there to feed the dog, and the dog is there to bite the pilot in case he tries to touch anything
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[21:16] <arko> haha
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[21:31] <Laurenceb__> i wonder if it will still have receivers in the morning
[21:31] <Laurenceb__> to break 3 weeks
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[21:41] <LeoBodnar> no night for B-64
[21:43] <Laurenceb__> there is aprs in Murmansk, but its not receiving B-64, wrong frequency?
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[21:43] <Laurenceb__> yeah its still got sunlight
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[21:44] <LeoBodnar> there's someone in Murmansk claiming to be receiving it
[21:44] <Laurenceb__> oh cool
[21:44] <Laurenceb__> lets see..
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[21:45] <Laurenceb__> about 8 more hours
[21:45] <Laurenceb__> 7am
[21:45] <Laurenceb__> what was the launch time?
[21:46] <LeoBodnar> 12/7/14 06:51
[21:46] <Laurenceb__> ooh might just make 3 weeks
[21:46] <LeoBodnar> 495 hours
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[22:01] <Reb-SM0ULC> hello
[22:03] <Reb-SM0ULC> LeoBodnar: again, amazing feat!
[22:03] <Reb-SM0ULC> it was great pleasure to follow it for about 600 km
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[22:05] <Reb-SM0ULC> again, veryfying a rtl-dongle receiving ~300 km with simple dipole
[22:06] <craag_philcrump> I started tracking HABs with the TV 1/4 wave that came with it, given a good site and lack of local QRM - it works well!
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[22:07] <craag_philcrump> A lot better than my loft collinear works in my new qth :(
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[22:12] <Reb-SM0ULC> yeah, i'm amazed
[22:14] <Reb-SM0ULC> bad qth?
[22:15] <craag_philcrump> Yeah - south side of a hill in Southampton on the South UK Coast
[22:16] <gonzo_nb> couldbe worse, live in a valley
[22:17] <craag_philcrump> True
[22:17] <craag_philcrump> But meh, I don't do much real radio anyway!
[22:19] <gonzo_nb> all I was interested in when I brought the place, comes from the sky
[22:20] <gonzo_nb> so hab is not so far from that, elevation wise
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[22:37] <snelly> does anyone know of a very small KISS-capable TNC?
[22:38] <snelly> (besides the t3-mini)
[22:39] <daveake> serial? bluetooth?
[22:39] <daveake> Just ordered a Mobilinkd to have a play with
[22:41] <snelly> serial
[22:42] <snelly> mobilinkd looks neat
[22:42] <daveake> It does. I'm getting the one with battery in a case
[22:42] <daveake> For the chase car
[22:43] <snelly> yeah, I need serial, though
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[22:43] <snelly> and I'm about to give up waiting for Argent to ship my trackers
[22:44] <daveake> http://www.byonics.com/
[22:44] <snelly> I love their products but it's the worst place to order if you were expecting something to arrive within, oh, a few weeks
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[22:44] <daveake> oh
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[22:46] <snelly> no mention of KISS support with the Byonics Micro-Trak
[22:47] <daveake> TinyTrak4 does - http://www.byonics.com/microtrak/mt-tt4.php
[22:48] <snelly> maybe this one: http://www.byonics.com/microtrak/mt-tt4.php
[22:48] <snelly> yeah
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[22:48] <snelly> that's prettyneat
[22:48] <snelly> oh bummer, discontinued
[22:48] <snelly> "But look forward to our new MT-AIOIV, with built in GPS and Bluetooth, coming soon"
[22:48] <snelly> uhm, no
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[22:53] <snelly> word: http://www.tnc-x.com/TNCBlack.htm
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[22:55] <daveake> Yeah, I have the Pi version of that
[22:56] <DL7AD> .
[23:04] <snelly> omg
[23:04] <snelly> I placed an order for some TNC-Blacks and the owner emails me a minute later with confirmation that they will ship tomorrow
[23:07] <gonzo_nb> auto response?
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