highaltitude.log.20140731

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[00:31] <N2NXZ> Who knows anything about Arduino UNO and having it go into sleep mode,then on at a later set time?Or weblinks to do so?
[00:32] <N2NXZ> Trying to find a solution to my battery life
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[00:57] <N2NXZ> All sleeping I presume
[00:59] <Ian_> Not quite, but I don't have an answer to your query.
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[01:04] <N2NXZ> I never should have used the uno,need bare bones to save power
[01:04] <aadamson> N2NXZ, do a google for atmel 328p sleep mode, and or arduino and sleep
[01:04] <aadamson> the trackduino code uses it as well
[01:04] <aadamson> and its open source
[01:04] <N2NXZ> I am doingthat now
[01:04] <aadamson> the uno uses a 328P atmel avr
[01:04] <N2NXZ> http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=11497
[01:05] <aadamson> atmega328p
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[01:05] <N2NXZ> ok..looking for that now,tnx for tip
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[01:05] <aadamson> if it's like most processors, it will have different forms of sleep.
[01:05] <aadamson> *but*
[01:05] <aadamson> I suspect the processor isn't the problem
[01:06] <aadamson> the gps usually draw 2-3x the current of the processor
[01:06] <N2NXZ> It would be great to shut down UNO if or when it leaves usa
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[01:06] <aadamson> is there another processor that's functioning?
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[01:06] <aadamson> if so, just wire up a FET and turn off power to the UNO via the other processor and FET
[01:07] <N2NXZ> Just UNO/NTX2 and Ublox
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[01:07] <aadamson> oh, so you want to basically shut it down between -52 and -10 long?
[01:07] <aadamson> what I call no-mans land
[01:08] <N2NXZ> yes
[01:08] <aadamson> wouldn't matter if you made any noise, on-one would hear it
[01:08] <N2NXZ> waste of battery,but yet want to turn on the nano rtty beacon...opposite action
[01:08] <aadamson> ah, so you are going to need to create some way to *wake* it as well
[01:08] <aadamson> and then during wake cycles, you'll need to turn back on gps, see where you are and go back to sleep if not where you want to be
[01:09] <N2NXZ> sleep leaving USA,Wake entering given hours later(prediction)
[01:09] <aadamson> so you'll need to figure out how to *wake up* too then
[01:09] <N2NXZ> But RTTY HF beacon should be off until no mans land
[01:09] <N2NXZ> yup
[01:10] <N2NXZ> I gave up on the soalr idea,would need several 1600 gram balloons :)
[01:10] <N2NXZ> solar
[01:10] <aadamson> I don't know enough about AVR's at that level to offer much advice.
[01:10] <N2NXZ> Google may
[01:10] <N2NXZ> A long extension cord would work
[01:10] <aadamson> I put my whole board to sleep, but RTC can generate an interrupt that wakes it up so that's how I do it
[01:10] <aadamson> hehe... yeah
[01:11] <aadamson> lighter would be long ethernet cable, that there's more uses for that :)
[01:11] <N2NXZ> Last thing I want is to lose it all for being dumb
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[01:11] <N2NXZ> ha ha
[01:12] <N2NXZ> My battery is not too bad really,lasted quite awhile than expected on my test
[01:12] <N2NXZ> Predicted 6 hours until ocean
[01:13] <N2NXZ> Looking at Hwoyee under my desk...anxiety,has to wait awile still
[01:16] <aadamson> hehe... ya, I hear ya
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[01:29] <snelly> is it a "feature" that balloons don't show any "Stations which heard ..... directly on radio" on aprs.fi?
[01:29] <arko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYm3AulBm8I
[01:29] <arko> yay Ranger 7
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[01:45] <N2NXZ> Here I am 9:45 pm Googling the sea of more information...ha ha ha http://www.engblaze.com/hush-little-microprocessor-avr-and-arduino-sleep-mode-basics/
[01:46] <N2NXZ> Let the games begin...again
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[02:00] <mrShrimp> Hello, is anyone here?
[02:01] <N2NXZ> I am,but just going to sleep.
[02:01] <N2NXZ> Good night to anyone awke :)
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[02:03] <mrShrimp> good night, I suppose :/
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[02:40] <mfa298> mrShrimp: most of us are Europe based so are asleep or should be.
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[03:03] <kc2pit> Some of us, though, are either 'Murican or insomniacs.
[03:03] <kc2pit> And some both.
[03:03] Action: kc2pit waves a flag and coffee cup.
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[03:06] <mrShrimp> hmm, okay
[03:07] <mrShrimp> Well, I was just hoping I could get some help with a problem I found with my payload.
[03:07] <mrShrimp> I'll explain the issue, and if anyone could help I would be grateful.
[03:07] <kc2pit> Sure.
[03:09] <mrShrimp> I've got one of these (http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=68) that I'm having trouble getting altitude data out of.
[03:10] <mrShrimp> I also am not getting the sattelite count out of it, but that's a less critical issue.
[03:11] <kc2pit> 'Fraid I haven't messed with ublox GPSes yet.
[03:11] <mrShrimp> It might not be a probleme with the gps though.
[03:12] <mrShrimp> *problem
[03:12] <kc2pit> Are you getting lat/lon at least?
[03:12] <mrShrimp> When I read the raw nmea data coming off of it, I can see that the sattelite count is around 20.
[03:12] <mrShrimp> yeah
[03:13] <mrShrimp> It's only when I parse it through TinyGPS that something gets left behind
[03:13] <mfa298> 20 satellites sounds quite high for being on the ground
[03:13] <mrShrimp> Hmm, maybe I was looking at the wrong field :P
[03:13] <mfa298> is it connected to the hardware serial port on the arduino or are you using software serial ?
[03:14] <kc2pit> Seeing as how there shouldn't be 20 satellites on one side of Earth at once, yeah. That sounds off.
[03:14] <mrShrimp> I was reading the raw nmea using software serial code here: (http://ava.upuaut.net/store/wiki/doku.php?id=frontpage:levelconvertor).
[03:15] <mrShrimp> but the issue arose when I plugged the GPS module into my flight computer board, which uses Serial for tx
[03:16] <mrShrimp> The software serial was just to see if the GPS was the root cause of the problem, or if the alt data was being lost somewhere else.
[03:16] <mrShrimp> I'll take a look at it again...
[03:17] <mfa298> software serial has been known to cause issues. It's not the most efficient bit of code.
[03:18] <mfa298> It may be worth connecting the GPS to the hardware serial port and use software serial for the debugging console.
[03:19] <mfa298> if you just wanted to check the gps module is outputting good data an ftdi cable would probably be useful and connect it directly to the PC
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[05:50] <Upu> M0XER-4 is back
[05:52] <G8KNN> Fantastic
[05:52] <Upu> not importing but its on APRS
[05:52] <F1VJQ-Igate> not showing on snus?
[05:52] <Upu> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FM0XER-3%2Ca%2FM0XER-4&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[05:52] <Upu> not yet
[05:52] <Upu> Leo may not have his importer working
[05:53] <Upu> but its where it was expected to be
[05:53] <Upu> 49 mins late
[05:53] <Upu> pah
[05:55] <es5nhc> Congrats!
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[05:55] <jcoxon> hooray!
[05:55] <Upu> lol
[05:56] <Upu> wondered how long it would be before you popped up :)
[05:56] <cm13g09> Morning Upu
[05:56] <jcoxon> so where does it have to pass to complete the circle
[05:56] <cm13g09> I just did a "SAY WHAAAA?!"
[05:56] <jcoxon> i assume its the longitude of silverstone
[05:57] <Upu> I'd say that yes
[05:57] <Upu> -1.1 I think
[05:57] <Upu> not that I checked yesterday
[05:57] <jcoxon> booo to lack of snus importer
[05:57] <es5nhc> Just to be clear - M0XER-4 = B-64?
[05:57] <Upu> yes thats correct
[05:58] <es5nhc> Sweet! Again, congrats!
[05:59] <Upu> ok I ran my importer hope I didn't cock anything up LeoBodnar shout me and I'll disable it
[05:59] <jcoxon> i doubt snus will care
[06:00] <jcoxon> the importers are pretty basic
[06:00] <jcoxon> apart from the back log i guess
[06:01] <cm13g09> jcoxon: the backlog is just special
[06:01] <cm13g09> craag_philcrump's map doesn't handle it well
[06:01] <Upu> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=B-64;B-63;B-66
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[06:03] <cm13g09> Upu: your importer presumably doesn't know how to deal with the APRS comment (which I'm guessing has all the other data in it)
[06:03] <Upu> no Leo's does that
[06:03] <cm13g09> thought as much
[06:04] <cm13g09> still pretty damn cool that Leo has very nearly circumnavigated....
[06:04] <jcoxon> its awesome
[06:04] <jcoxon> honestly didn't think I'd see it
[06:05] <F1VJQ-Igate> it looks like it is coming straight at me! still 900km downrange though, but I have a 12 ele yagi at it on 144.800
[06:05] <cm13g09> I thought it was only going to be a matter of time
[06:05] <arko> if someone told that this would happen last year at conference i would have called them crazy
[06:05] <arko> whats eta on crossing the longitude?
[06:05] <F1VJQ-Igate> arko - time to eat your balloon
[06:06] <arko> i might stay awake to watch it
[06:06] <cm13g09> F1VJQ-Igate: Hats just arn't good enough here?
[06:06] <F1VJQ-Igate> cm13g08 ballon less edible!!
[06:06] <cm13g09> lol
[06:07] <cm13g09> the amazing bit is how little altitude it's lost!
[06:07] <arko> yeah
[06:07] <Upu> its doing 50 mph
[06:07] <arko> thats pretty amazing
[06:08] <jcoxon> well done LeoBodnar
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[06:08] <sp2ipt> hi
[06:08] <LeoBodnar> APRS should be running nominally now
[06:08] <F1VJQ-Igate> aprs.fi is showing me an ad in French.... a bit off topic, but this is amusing! >>> Des milliers de femmes lesbiennes sur Mytilene. Inscription gratuite
[06:08] <F1VJQ-Igate> Congratulations Leo...
[06:09] <cm13g09> morning LeoBodnar
[06:09] <F1VJQ-Igate> how long does it take to get the comments backloaded?
[06:10] <LeoBodnar> morning chaps
[06:11] <arko> morning :)
[06:11] <mightymik> grats Leo
[06:11] <KT5TK> Morning Leo. This is amazing!
[06:11] <arko> running a hysplit to see if i can stay awake for the longitude crossing moment
[06:11] <LeoBodnar> aprs-is server kicked me out overninght, i need to do re-connect [06:52] <Upu> Leo may not have his importer working
[06:11] <LeoBodnar> ta!
[06:11] <es5nhc> Wow. So when will you be corking the champagne?
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[06:12] <LeoBodnar> tinight i guess?
[06:12] <arko> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/144257_trj001.gif
[06:12] <arko> here's the hysplot
[06:12] <Upu> ok I've killed my importer LeoBodnar
[06:12] <arko> split*
[06:13] <arko> oh wow
[06:13] <arko> i need to go to sleep asap
[06:13] <arko> if i wake up in 6 hours i should see it
[06:13] <arko> woo!
[06:13] <arko> if I miss it... CONGRATS LEO!
[06:14] <arko> seriously an amazing feat
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[06:14] <es5nhc> This is amazing...
[06:15] <LeoBodnar> backlog is on 1800UTC 25/7 atm
[06:15] <arko> i can't even wrap my head around this
[06:16] <arko> since I maybe asleep during the crossing, here's the http://isleoflying.com/ a little early :)
[06:16] <es5nhc> Amazing... So, judging by Hysplit path, I might want to raise our hams too in a few days
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[06:21] <mrShrimp> I haven't been on here in a while, but I've just got to say that this is so cool!
[06:22] <eroomde> is there a hysplit yet from the current position?
[06:22] <arko> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/144257_trj001.gif
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[06:23] <eroomde> ta
[06:23] <eroomde> missing the uk
[06:23] <eroomde> thats a shame
[06:24] <eroomde> maybe maxell can catch it with a telescope
[06:24] <F1VJQ-Igate> B-63 may only be 8 hours behind B-64
[06:25] <cm13g09> arko, I'm surprised you didn't go with Oasis - All around the world ;)
[06:25] <arko> hehe
[06:25] <arko> i should have
[06:25] <arko> i felt dancing baby was apporpriate
[06:25] <es5nhc> LOL
[06:26] <mrShrimp> Did it just pop?
[06:26] <arko> someone kick mrShrimp for giving us heart attacks
[06:26] <mrShrimp> sry
[06:27] <eroomde> lol
[06:27] <arko> :P
[06:27] <mrShrimp> it has a puff of smoke, then a point afterwards saying -2m, so...
[06:27] <mrShrimp> maybe I'm looking at the wrong balloon :p
[06:27] <cm13g09> mrShrimp: SNUS + Floaters doesn't work too well
[06:28] <cm13g09> in terms of live predict
[06:28] <mrShrimp> oh, okay
[06:29] <LeoBodnar> haha, almost distributed heart attack
[06:29] <LeoBodnar> it's just bobbing along and instantaneous vert speed might fluctuate enough to trigger pop detector on snus
[06:30] <eroomde> although fate does have a sense of humour like that
[06:30] <eroomde> but basically if the envelope is good then i cant see why the lifetime wouldnt be months
[06:30] <Reb-SM0ULC> wow!
[06:31] <eroomde> itll just be gas diffusion bringing it down in the end, probably
[06:31] <arko> im buying leo a beer at conference
[06:31] <eroomde> that was i think the failure mechanism when they were doing this back in the 60s
[06:31] <arko> or 4
[06:31] <arko> OH!
[06:31] <arko> eroomde: you reminded me
[06:32] <arko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYm3AulBm8I
[06:32] <arko> for later watchingness
[06:32] <arko> great for the night with a scotch
[06:32] <thasti> i still don't comprehent how the FM modulation (for APRS, i guess it uses FM as usual) is accomplished - is the si406x just working as a single-tone transmitter and the oscillator frequency is "pulled" (hence modulated) by a varicap via the mcu? LeoBodnar ?
[06:32] <arko> seeing jpl in the 60's is just so weird
[06:32] <eroomde> arko: win
[06:33] <F1VJQ-Igate> still 970km out from here - - I guess Cornwall gets signals next
[06:33] <arko> i figured you'd appriciate that
[06:33] <eroomde> the ranger probes need more publicity
[06:33] <arko> srsly
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[06:33] <eroomde> back when you just made a little thing and flung it at the moon to see what happened
[06:33] <amell> ah. so she came home
[06:33] <eroomde> i beleive theyd serve as inspiration for the current crop of small organisations beginning to realise that going to the moon is not impossible
[06:34] <arko> yeah!
[06:34] <eroomde> im not an expert in this area but i suspect there will be a coming-of-age period when cubesat tech learns to cope beyonf the radiation belts
[06:34] <arko> already happening
[06:35] <arko> jpl/cal poly/other unis are working on a few
[06:35] <mightymik> trebuchet and a cubesat
[06:35] <qyx_> lol b64
[06:35] <Chetic> trebuchetic
[06:36] <arko> eroomde: http://mstl.atl.calpoly.edu/~bklofas/Presentations/DevelopersWorkshop2013/Klesh_INSPIRE.pdf
[06:36] <arko> im really hoping this catches on
[06:36] <eroomde> oh fascinating
[06:36] <eroomde> so you need hardy electronics and v small propulsion systems
[06:36] <eroomde> if you can put a cube into LEO and have it do translunar, you can buy yourself a drink
[06:37] <amell> to clarify it needs to pass 1.01 west for a complete circumnavigation
[06:37] <eroomde> if the upper stage puts you on translunar then thats definitely cheating
[06:37] <amell> 1.02234 west to be exact.
[06:37] <arko> haha yeah
[06:37] <amell> im surprised B-64 got picked up so early
[06:37] <arko> you know
[06:38] <arko> i havent seen INSPIRE's hw yet
[06:38] <arko> i wonder if they have anything rad hard
[06:38] <arko> JPL is supplying the radio/comm system
[06:38] <yo9hzn> could happen in the afternoon
[06:38] <yo9hzn> or tonight
[06:38] <arko> but the processor which handles a good amount of the C&DH is from cal poly
[06:38] <arko> who doesn't use rad hard parts
[06:38] <amell> oh it was off the tip of ireland
[06:39] <yo9hzn> b64 pass over 1.02234
[06:39] <arko> just really really smart reset
[06:39] <jaymzx> Ah this is too cool
[06:39] <jaymzx> How many make it home?
[06:40] <jaymzx> (typically)
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[06:41] <cm13g09> jaymzx: I'm led to believe this is the first circumnavigation
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[06:43] <eroomde> jaymzx: this would be the first
[06:43] <amell> in recent history
[06:43] <eroomde> yes
[06:43] <eroomde> in amateur stuff since 2000 that we know about
[06:44] <eroomde> most of the focus has been on high altitude latex balloons
[06:44] <eroomde> this use of medium altitude super-pressure mylar balloons that can float is pretty new in amateur ballooning
[06:44] <jaymzx> True. I wasn't even aware that balloons could make it all the way around
[06:45] <eroomde> and leo has made this envlope and it seems to be basically stable and happy indefinitely
[06:45] <jaymzx> I picked up on B64 when it passed over Seattle, my QTH.
[06:45] <F1VJQ-Igate> if performance = km flown for payload in gr is anything to go by then this is hard to beat!
[06:45] <eroomde> jaymzx: sure, back in the post-war times there was a lot of work on this
[06:45] <eroomde> F1VJQ-Igate: fungas spores!
[06:45] <jaymzx> The Japanese did it with fire balloons
[06:46] <jaymzx> Just across the Pacific, however. Some made it into Wyoming
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[06:46] <mrShrimp> Hey, I'm from Seattle too!
[06:48] Action: amell wonders when leobodnar would share a picture of his new envelope design
[06:49] <eroomde> i suspect youre looking for magic where there is none to be found
[06:49] <mightymik> design and construction
[06:50] <amell> only two points from B-63, seems to be out of range again
[06:50] <amell> is ei3kd in this room?
[06:51] <amell> ei3kd should be able to hear it now, just about.
[06:51] <F1VJQ-Igate> amell no, and he is not in the ham VHF chat either
[06:51] <jaymzx> eroomde: It's a party balloon, right?
[06:51] <eroomde> no its a custom one
[06:51] <amell> g6uim might be first
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[06:52] <cipher0> Good morning everyone
[06:52] <eroomde> but i believe its essentially a bigger party balloon
[06:52] <amell> actually 0x17 more likely to be first as he apparently is yagied up
[06:52] <amell> should be within the next half an hour i would have thought to hear on 434.LEO
[06:52] <snelly> LeoBodnar: are you around?
[06:54] <jaymzx> mrShrimp: Hey. What part of Seattle? During the pass, my igate picked up 9 packets heh. I was following it on my Kenwood HT on my commute.
[06:54] Action: amell wouldnt be surprised if B-64 goes for another circuit.
[06:54] <cipher0> Opinions on buying from here? http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Altitude-Weather-Balloons-Parachutes-200g-600g-1200g-/261224601780?pt=UK_Health_Beauty_Make_Up_Cosmetics_Foundation_PP&var=&hash=item3cd23318b4
[06:55] <jaymzx> Is there any further info on the balloon design? I've been having some difficulty finding info.
[06:55] <cipher0> just found it
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[06:57] <mrShrimp> jaymzx: the NE, pretty close to the UW
[06:57] <cipher0> Im going to email to balloon companies mentioned in the wiki and ask if any one of them can use the faster shipping methods. Dont want to wait a month, have everything else set up
[06:57] <jaymzx> mrShrimp: Ah, right on. Top of the lake, here.
[06:58] <jaymzx> Cn87US
[06:58] <mrShrimp> neat!
[06:58] <amell> cipher0: steve will sort you out.
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[06:58] <cipher0> Can you please remind me who Steve was?
[06:58] <eroomde> rocketboy
[06:59] <eroomde> random engineering
[06:59] <cipher0> I don't remember, he was a supplier from UK?
[06:59] <amell> http://www.randomengineering.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Balloons.html
[06:59] <amell> everyone here buys from him
[06:59] Action: cm13g09 always gets confused between Steve and Anthony..... Not sure why!
[06:59] <cipher0> Oh. I tried emailing him a week ago actually. I'll try with my gmail email
[06:59] <amell> Anthonys not into Latex, I hope.
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[07:00] <cipher0> maybe the mail.ru domain is blocked in UK or something?
[07:00] <amell> you emailed him a week ago? im surprised. call him on skype or something?
[07:00] <eroomde> or catch him here
[07:00] <amell> yes, mail.ru will be blocked in a lot of places here, because of spam
[07:00] <cm13g09> cipher0: mail.ru I have usually find is marked as spam
[07:00] <cipher0> Weird, very popular in former USSR countries
[07:01] <cipher0> OK, I'll use my gmail
[07:01] <amell> they need to manage mail.ru properly then
[07:01] <cipher0> I guess. Now I feel stupid of not thinking about this sooner, I could have the balloons already...
[07:02] <amell> http://www.randomengineering.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Stuff.html - everything a working man could possibly want
[07:02] <cipher0> great!
[07:03] <cipher0> OK, thanks guys. Again
[07:05] <cipher0> and cheaper than my ebay link
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[07:07] <f5opv> Hats off to SIR LEO BODNAR for his around-the-world balloon trip M0XER-4
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[07:09] <eroomde> f5opv: wait for it to happen!
[07:09] <eroomde> dont upset Lady Fate
[07:09] <jaymzx> indeed.
[07:09] Action: jaymzx awaits the APRS packet
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[07:16] <amell> no log points yet?
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[07:17] <amell> leobodnar: are you importing backlog?
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[07:17] <mightymik> did it just move?
[07:18] <jaymzx> I see a packet on APRS
[07:18] <jaymzx> 1 min ago
[07:18] <amell> theres plenty on aprs
[07:18] <jaymzx> It moved 10Km in the past 15 mins, it appears
[07:18] <UpuWork> yeah its moving
[07:18] <UpuWork> no back log yet it seems
[07:19] <amell> 20
[07:20] <amell> Upuwork: theres backlog in the aprs comments for the last 20 but no input to snus?
[07:21] <UpuWork> I guess Leo hasn't done it yet amell, I'm sure he'lll do it at some point
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[07:24] <F1VJQ-Igate> Only 845km from here to B-64 no APRS heard yet though
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[07:24] <cipherzero> I forgot this last thing, how much hydrogen does a standard 1.6 meter tank hold and how many 600g balloons can be filled with it?
[07:24] <snelly> do any of you read HN?
[07:25] <eroomde> try not to
[07:25] <adamgreig> a bit premature snelly, it's got a little way to go yet
[07:26] <amell> What is HN?
[07:26] <F1VJQ-Igate> It's moving alright.... 76km/h atm
[07:26] <snelly> what, another 100 mi or so?
[07:26] <LeoBodnar> log is coming. 27th July now
[07:26] <snelly> ok, maybe a little more than that
[07:27] <jaymzx> I guess I'll need to read about history in the morning.
[07:27] <jaymzx> 12:27a here, now.
[07:27] <amell> leobodnar: cool. curious to see what course it took across greenland and where it turned south
[07:27] <eroomde> also its a custom balloon snelly
[07:28] <cipherzero> what?
[07:28] <eroomde> and finally, habhub.org/mt is, i think, a nicer tracking interface
[07:28] <UpuWork> +1
[07:28] <UpuWork> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=B-63;B-64
[07:29] <jaymzx> Agreed.
[07:29] <amell> Just looking at Vbatt and Vsolar for the last fortnight for B-64 - absolutely no sign of degradation or reduced efficiency.
[07:29] <eroomde> i like your landrover stuff snelly
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[07:31] <snelly> thanks. i updated the post with the habhub mobile tracker
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[07:31] <Laurenceb__> holy shit
[07:31] <Laurenceb__> B-64 did it
[07:31] <snelly> this flight is truly tremendous
[07:31] Action: amell likes the way B-64 is coming in to land in the early morning. reminds me of the redeye flights in to UK from the US.
[07:32] <amell> sun rises in the east faster than usual. a crisp morning over the UK.
[07:32] <es5nhc> snus=spacenear.us??
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[07:34] <es5nhc> How is B64 powered that the batteries have lasted so long? Solar?
[07:34] <Laurenceb__> is there a log coming through?
[07:35] <snelly> eroomde: most submissions go nowhere anyway. i'm sure that Techcrunch or The Register will pick up someone's story later today
[07:35] <malgar> :O :O :O :O LeoBodnar :O :O :O :O :O
[07:35] <amell> laurenceb__: apparently leo is doing 27th july log now.
[07:36] <malgar> !!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:36] <malgar> no words :O :O LeoBodnar :O
[07:36] <amell> I think it should go into the daily mail. Maybe i should contact them :)
[07:37] <LeoBodnar> just tell them not to contact me :D
[07:38] <malgar> do you have a hysplit prediction?
[07:39] <eroomde> amell: is that a joke?
[07:39] <LeoBodnar> not yet
[07:39] <jaymzx> I see a hysplit link on the habhub
[07:39] <jaymzx> Is that accurate?
[07:39] <UpuWork> yes to both es5nhc
[07:40] <UpuWork> well as accurate as the data provided jaymzx
[07:40] <jaymzx> *nod*
[07:40] <UpuWork> Daily Mail ? Oh yeah can see it now "immigrant balloon steals our jobs, gives hard working people ebola"
[07:41] <Laurenceb__> Upu: what happened to "no politics" ?
[07:42] <UpuWork> sorry
[07:42] <Laurenceb__> just being consistent :P
[07:42] <jaymzx> :)
[07:42] <jaymzx> Surprised the USA didn't shoot it down ;)
[07:43] <amell> eroomde: yes.
[07:43] <Laurenceb__> jaymzx: now you are asking for it too
[07:43] <jaymzx> Sorry, I figured I would poke fun at my country for a second.
[07:43] <jaymzx> So it looks like 1900 UTC if all goes well?
[07:44] <mrShrimp> I was wondering, what does that 0.56 figure mean on the mobile tracker?
[07:44] <mrShrimp> 0.54 now
[07:45] <amell> solar voltage
[07:45] <mrShrimp> okay
[07:45] <SpeedEvil> Woo, and indeed yay!
[07:46] <SpeedEvil> (b64 of course)
[07:46] <snelly> amazing that the little balloon flew within two miles of my house here in Tacoma, WA
[07:46] <mrShrimp> 0.o
[07:46] <mrShrimp> How many people here live in Washington?
[07:47] <jaymzx> It flew within a few miles of my office in Redmond. I was about 17mi away during the flyby.
[07:48] <snelly> hearing it on my little HT was cool
[07:48] <SpeedEvil> It's what - 12 hours from crossing the launch great circle between the north and south pole?
[07:48] <SpeedEvil> longitude
[07:48] <snelly> http://imgur.com/ImWjPHp
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[07:48] <SpeedEvil> And damn nearly the launch location.
[07:49] <UpuWork> nice snelly :)
[07:50] <LeoBodnar> cool
[07:50] <F1VJQ> jaymzx it passed over Ukraine without suffering that fate
[07:50] <f5opv> Any burst system on your fabulous toy Mr Leo ?
[07:51] <LeoBodnar> we had photos of mobile TNCs in Moscow, Siberia and India
[07:51] <LeoBodnar> with Bs on them
[07:51] <amell> Siberia? didnt know about that one.
[07:51] <LeoBodnar> no, just plain unassuming balloon
[07:52] <jaymzx> snelly: Ah, I should have taken a picture of my TH-D7A when I saw it.
[07:54] <mrShrimp> Leo, how far did you expect it to go at launch?
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[07:56] <es5nhc> LOL @ Daily Mail comment. Sad, but true
[07:56] <es5nhc> RT would probably report it as British Spy balloon lol
[07:56] Action: amell wonders if it will make UK aprs on 144.
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[07:57] <LeoBodnar> mrShrimp: about 190 hours
[07:59] <malgar> LeoBodnar: is already transmitting in Concordia?
[07:59] <eroomde> that costia too much to implement
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[08:00] <LeoBodnar> yes malgar
[08:01] <mrShrimp> Wow! launched on the 12th!? I missed that bit of information.
[08:01] <malgar> op
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[08:01] <malgar> s
[08:01] <malgar> Contestia
[08:01] <jaymzx> As funny as the Daily Mail comment may be, the ARRL may enjoy running a small story about your ambitious balloon, LeoBodnar.
[08:01] <malgar> LOl
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[08:04] <mightymik> if you watch Ham Nation, they mentioned VK3YT balloon in SA in one of the segments
[08:11] <F1VJQ> LeoBodnar is it running APRS on 144.8 AND 434.500 , or has it switched to 434.5 only? I mention it because EI 5CRC is receiving on 144 I guess
[08:13] <LeoBodnar> it will switch over only when inside UK or France
[08:13] <LeoBodnar> should be still 144.800 and no 434.500 APRS
[08:13] <LeoBodnar> but always Contestia on 434.500
[08:14] <F1VJQ> LeoBodnar OK I understand now - thanks
[08:15] <F1VJQ> LeoBodnar still 785km away from here... no sigs yet
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[08:17] <F1VJQ> astrobiologist should be able to hear it as it passes by SW Cornwall
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[08:28] <yo9ict> B-64 : world record for circumnavigating the planet?
[08:30] <malgar> B-64 is a fake. It is flying inside a small flat in Silverstone suburb.
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[08:31] <F1VJQ> malgar your logic fails .... heard in Seattle....
[08:32] <malgar> F1VJQ: you are part of the conspiracy
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[08:33] <yo9ict> wtf guys
[08:33] <Darkside> some pople don't know how to recognise sarcasm
[08:33] <LeoBodnar> lol
[08:34] <Darkside> i admit is is quite hard to pick it on IRC sometimes
[08:34] <LeoBodnar> or maybe irony?
[08:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You do realise its coming up to start the SECOND circumnavigation of the world as well ;-)
[08:34] <yo9ict> anyway, big congrats to Leo
[08:35] <Darkside> it hasn't made it yet!
[08:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Do you have your Press Release ready LeoBodnar ?
[08:35] <Darkside> give it another few hours :P
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[08:36] <gonzo__> sarcacm does not translate well
[08:37] <LeoBodnar> lol
[08:38] <LeoBodnar> Southgate and Register did it for me
[08:38] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: HAB UPDATE: B-64 Pico balloon now approaching English channel, last leg to first cirumnavigation http://t.co/PcZtZMPvqZ #ukhas #hamr #hab
[08:40] <gonzo__> the announcement or the sarcasm?
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[08:42] <WillDWork> who is G8TQH - are they on here?
[08:43] <SpeedEvil> Maybe G8KNN knows them, they're neighbours of a sort :)
[08:43] <WillDWork> getting a good range
[08:44] <F1VJQ> G8TQH Salcombe Devon
[08:45] <tweetBot> @G7IGB: 434 MHz balloon goes around the world: The 434 MHz solar powered party balloon B-64, launched... http://t.co/1ECbYofycH #hamradio #ukhas
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[08:51] <boo> nice flight path Leo
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[08:52] <boo> was B-63 bursting in canada?
[08:53] <UpuWork> no but it may have got sucked up into some polar wind and be out of contact
[08:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Its a Pico they don't normally burst, leak maybe!
[08:54] <UpuWork> or it may reappear in about 12 hours
[08:55] <malgar> this could be the first circumnavigation without fuel consumption (except sailing)
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[08:58] <LeoBodnar> backlog is trickling in
[08:58] <cipherzero> I know I asked this already, but today I got a reply from Qualatex.
[08:58] <cipherzero> Chloroprene balloon. Thats the one I saw. Will that work?
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[08:59] <cipherzero> "our Chloroprene balloons they come in 4ft, 5.5 ft or 8ft, they are better outdoor balloons and can float for days when inflated with helium", from their email
[08:59] <SIbot> In real units: 4 ft = 1.22 m
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[09:02] <craag_philcrump> hmm habmap doesn't like backlog
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[09:04] <LeoBodnar> they are very heavy cipherzero
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[09:05] <cipherzero> I also sent Steve an email btw. its just that this one is like few blocks away from me, so i asked
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[09:06] <LeoBodnar> craag_philcrump i just refresh to cure it
[09:07] <LeoBodnar> not a big deal
[09:07] <craag_philcrump> LeoBodnar: Having a go at fixing it now
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[09:32] <tweetBot> @mikestir_uk: UK-launched foil party balloon just approaching Cornwall after circumnavigating the globe! http://t.co/CyI8hOtuRs #ukhas #hamradio
[09:32] <ibanezmatt13> I bet Leo wants to shoot it down now and frame it, awesome! :)
[09:32] <mikestir-work> might as well let it go around again :)
[09:32] <Laurenceb_> someone needs to try to photo it
[09:32] <ibanezmatt13> yeah definitely
[09:32] <Laurenceb_> maybe scope would stand a chance?
[09:33] <mikestir-work> not if the weather's anything like it is here
[09:34] <Laurenceb_> does anyone have it on 434mhz?
[09:35] <malgar> I think that a telescope could be enough
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[09:36] <Laurenceb_> meade scope with automatic tracking
[09:36] <malgar> maybe after the sunset
[09:36] <Laurenceb_> hooked up to spacenear
[09:36] <malgar> Laurenceb_: exactly
[09:36] <Laurenceb_> probably overkill lol
[09:36] <malgar> :D
[09:36] <Laurenceb_> after sunset might just work
[09:36] <LeoBodnar> 0x17 got it
[09:36] <Laurenceb_> but its only at 12.5Km
[09:36] <Laurenceb_> so sky will still be blue behind it
[09:36] <Laurenceb_> so im not sure that helps much
[09:36] <malgar> 0x17?
[09:37] <LeoBodnar> i'll wait a bit and turn APRS import off
[09:37] <Laurenceb_> ah yeah i see the green line
[09:39] <SpeedEvil> This one is transparent?
[09:39] <SpeedEvil> So practically invisible?
[09:39] <SpeedEvil> Though it'd be itneresting to see the state of the envelope
[09:39] <Laurenceb_> i doubt you would be able to see the envelope
[09:39] <Laurenceb_> maybe catch some reflection
[09:40] <Laurenceb_> if the payload is a 10cm diameter sphere....
[09:40] <LeoBodnar> more like 5cm
[09:40] <Laurenceb_> assuming 2 arcsecond scope...
[09:41] <SpeedEvil> Nice filter, and point a big laser at it :)
[09:41] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[09:41] <SpeedEvil> DEtermine acurate pointing by reading off solar cell voltage
[09:41] <Laurenceb_> could resolve it at 10Km
[09:41] <Laurenceb_> not very useful
[09:43] <Laurenceb_> is there a hysplit for B-63?
[09:46] <Laurenceb_> is there a Log on 434mhz?
[09:46] <LeoBodnar> no
[09:47] <LeoBodnar> i'm still getting it on APRS but turned main APRS import off
[09:47] <Laurenceb_> ah, clever
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[09:48] <Laurenceb_> im wondering if the envelope will reflect enough to be visible in daylight sky
[09:49] <LeoBodnar> i think enough to be detectable
[09:49] <Laurenceb_> time to do some maths...
[09:49] <LeoBodnar> but not if it's 2-3 degrees elevation
[09:50] <Laurenceb_> as the envelope is large enough to be seen from ~200km with a cheap 3" scope
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[09:50] <LeoBodnar> you want to be somewhere underneath it
[09:50] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[09:50] <LeoBodnar> due to air turbulence
[09:50] <fsphil> there won't be much contrast
[09:50] <fsphil> gonna be a pain to find it
[09:50] <Laurenceb_> sure
[09:50] <amell> on the face of it, looks like it might pass closer to the UK than originally predicted.
[09:50] <Laurenceb_> you wont be able to find it
[09:51] <Laurenceb_> point in right direction then take photo
[09:51] <amell> a CCD should find it.
[09:51] <Laurenceb_> then contrast enhance
[09:51] <Laurenceb_> amell: yeah
[09:51] <fsphil> people do image planets during the day
[09:51] <amell> i think there is a chance it will pass over land in the UK, seems to be heading that way.
[09:51] <Laurenceb_> i cant find sky brightness data...
[09:52] <LeoBodnar> f/11 rule lol
[09:52] <Laurenceb_> ooh
[09:52] <Laurenceb_> http://www.amostech.com/TechnicalPapers/2011/Poster/JIM.pdf
[09:52] <fsphil> *just* out of range of me ;)
[09:52] <amell> fsphil #fail
[09:52] <fsphil> #fsfail
[09:53] Action: Laurenceb_ grabs sheet of paper to work this out
[09:53] <fsphil> paper? how quaint
[09:54] <gonzo__> yes, these days we scribble it out on the back of a laptop
[09:56] <Laurenceb_> ah
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[09:56] <Laurenceb_> yeah assuming 10% reflection, its 5 times brighter than the sky
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[09:57] <Laurenceb_> should be seen if its resolvable
[09:57] <LeoBodnar> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/B-64-launch.jpg
[09:57] <Laurenceb_> doh
[09:57] <Laurenceb_> you can see it works from the photo
[09:57] <Laurenceb_> everything scales with distance
[09:58] <Laurenceb_> so as long as you can see the envelope it will work
[09:58] <Laurenceb_> this ignores atmospheric attenuation of course
[09:58] <Laurenceb_> so in reality id guess youd need to be within ~50Km of ground path
[09:59] <Laurenceb_> which from snus looks possible
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[09:59] <Laurenceb_> anyone with a scope on the south coast?
[10:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No but I
[10:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 'll have the caera out whatever!
[10:00] Action: craag_philcrump wonders if the uni scopes are being used..
[10:00] <Laurenceb_> doubt that will work
[10:00] <Laurenceb_> camera isnt going to have the resolving power
[10:00] <Laurenceb_> you need >10cm aperture
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[10:03] <amell> Leobodnar: nice B launch vehicle.
[10:03] <SpeedEvil> I've poked ##astronomy - no response
[10:03] <SpeedEvil> There are ~100 people in there
[10:03] <SpeedEvil> Astrophotography lists may be prodcutive
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[10:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Lot of cloud starting to fill the sky on the Coast down here at the moment :-(
[10:09] <malgar> LeoBodnar: ohh! it is transparent! why?
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[10:11] <fsphil> SpeedEvil: they're all sleeping :)
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[10:15] <F1VJQ> so Leo can see the other side of the room malgar
[10:15] <malgar> F1VJQ: you are part of the conspiracy. I know.
[10:17] <lz1dev> are those intermediate points for b64 real or fake?
[10:17] <Darkside> real
[10:18] <lz1dev> how?
[10:18] <Darkside> it retransmits a log every few hours
[10:18] <lz1dev> ahhhhhh
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[10:23] <mattbrejza> im not sure Oli understands the meaning of a holiday...
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[10:24] <Darkside> ham radio isn't a hobby - it's a lifestyle choice
[10:24] <ojhjko> high
[10:24] <fsphil> lol
[10:25] <ojhjko> i eat ham for breakfast
[10:25] <mattbrejza> b-64 was launched from -1.02 longitude, on the morning of the 12th
[10:25] <Laurenceb_> over 19 days flight
[10:25] <mattbrejza> although its seen 20 days?
[10:25] <ojhjko> howd they steer it?
[10:26] <Laurenceb_> depends what you call a day :P
[10:26] <mattbrejza> :P
[10:26] <mattbrejza> light/dark cycles
[10:26] <edmoore> ojhjko, it just goes with the winds
[10:26] <amell> It is steered by Aeolus
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[10:28] <ojhjko> by crom!
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[10:29] <Laurenceb_> seems to easily meed FAI rules for circumnaviation
[10:29] <amell> easily but how do arhab want to calculate it?
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[10:31] <mattbrejza> i hope LeoBodnar has some profound words to say when it crosses longitude=-1.021
[10:31] <amell> maybe he will celebrate by launching B-57?
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[10:32] <amell> B-67 i mean...
[10:32] <F1VJQ> -1.0 (21 today., 21 today...)
[10:32] <edmoore> Beachy Head looks like the place to get a photo of it
[10:33] <Laurenceb_> high spec DSLR might work i guess
[10:33] <F1VJQ> Leo's got the key to the door, never been -1.021 before
[10:33] <mattbrejza> my 5 story office on top of a hill looking towards the solent isnt bad either
[10:34] <F1VJQ> Leo "Phileas" Foggnar
[10:35] <Laurenceb_> log is almost complete
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[10:36] <amell> 298 miles to go to the line
[10:36] <Laurenceb_> looks like it only went to 62.8 degrees north
[10:36] <Laurenceb_> 5 hours or so
[10:36] <amell> yes, probably cross the leo-meridian around 3-4pm. Im off out now.
[10:37] <Laurenceb_> actually according to FAI rules
[10:37] <F1VJQ> 83kph = 51mph approx
[10:37] <Laurenceb_> it only has to pass 2 degrees west
[10:37] <amell> why?
[10:37] <amell> that makes no sense.
[10:37] <Laurenceb_> "crosses all longitude lines"
[10:37] <F1VJQ> FFS
[10:38] <Laurenceb_> lolz
[10:38] <amell> rubbish
[10:38] <mattbrejza> how are longitude lines defined?
[10:38] <amell> it has to pass 1.02 longitude line
[10:38] <mattbrejza> every degree?
[10:38] <Laurenceb_> yes
[10:38] <F1VJQ> redefines as all longitude lines plus one
[10:39] <amell> friend of mine sailed the world solo via the 5 capes. we had this problem too. what constitutes a circumnav - there were several definitions!
[10:39] <amell> one was that he had to pass through two antipodal points - this wont be possible with a balloon.
[10:39] <amell> in the end we had about 4 different celebrations lol.
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[10:40] <F1VJQ> a purist view might be a great circle in any direction
[10:40] <F1VJQ> LOL
[10:40] <amell> thats two antipodal points.
[10:41] <F1VJQ> yes
[10:41] <F1VJQ> impossible to achieve
[10:41] <amell> in a balloon yes
[10:41] <mattbrejza> whats wrong with the FIA ballooning circle-nagivation rules?
[10:41] <amell> nothing - its good that they are defined accurately.
[10:41] <amell> saves debate
[10:41] <amell> shame they are complicated to calculate.
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[10:43] <F1VJQ> amell a quick walk around the North pole might achieve circumnavigation
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[10:50] <lz1dev> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/155537_trj001.gif
[10:50] <lz1dev> poor b63
[10:51] <UpuWork> yeah thats nasty
[10:51] <lz1dev> not sure how much you can trust on the lines going to spain
[10:52] <lz1dev> that's around 4th and the shorter ones end on 5th
[10:53] <lz1dev> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/155545_trj001.gif
[10:54] <lz1dev> craag_philcrump: seems like it's not just you :)
[10:54] <craag_philcrump> lol lz1dev
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[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like it could pass over me on round 2
[10:58] <Boelle_DK> Q: what is the predicted flight path for B64?
[10:58] <Boelle_DK> oh
[10:59] <Boelle_DK> last link
[10:59] <Boelle_DK> damm... if i understand it right it will pass over DK :-D
[10:59] <Boelle_DK> first time i will get a chance to test if i have set software right
[11:00] <F1VJQ> if the predicted path holds, it won't fly over UK :-(
[11:00] <SpeedEvil> Trusting that completely isn't a good idea
[11:01] <daveake> It might hit the UK next time round
[11:01] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:01] <F1VJQ> Lap of honour?
[11:01] <Boelle_DK> anyone that uses stuff like teamviewer that could check my setup later on?
[11:01] <Boelle_DK> just to get the worst errors out the way
[11:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> What are you using Boelle_DK ?
[11:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> hardware/software/OS etc
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[11:06] <Boelle_DK> oh
[11:06] <Boelle_DK> back
[11:06] <Boelle_DK> sorry
[11:07] <Boelle_DK> its and old macbook.... only laptop i have
[11:07] <Boelle_DK> cant remember the version of OS
[11:07] <Boelle_DK> then and SDR dongle
[11:07] <Boelle_DK> habamp
[11:07] <Boelle_DK> for now you will laugh at my antenna
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[11:07] <Boelle_DK> but a ½ wave whip
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[11:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> In that case just follow the instructions on the wiki for dl-fldigi and using RSID at the end
[11:08] <Boelle_DK> but well... i'm 3d printing parts for a yagi... but was told its not that important
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[11:08] <Boelle_DK> its more the location
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[11:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Use this http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker
[11:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> and http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[11:09] <F1VJQ> Configure/operator then Configure /DLClient/Locator
[11:11] <F1VJQ> Select Flight B-64 then opmode Contestia and select 64/1000
[11:11] <Boelle_DK> yep... followed those.... there are just so many option
[11:12] <Boelle_DK> hmm
[11:12] <F1VJQ> then tick RXID
[11:12] <Boelle_DK> should it not pick modes automatic?
[11:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> It will with the RxID selected
[11:12] <Boelle_DK> that is what confuses me...
[11:12] <Boelle_DK> guide says to select all id's
[11:12] <Boelle_DK> let me look guide again
[11:12] <F1VJQ> then DLclient and check online
[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> all types of ID that means so it will select automatically the one that is sent
[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> you can restrict the range of ID's it will select from - its just a code that send a number that looks up a table to select the correct modulation method
[11:15] <Boelle_DK> hehe... think i see light at end of tunnel
[11:15] <Boelle_DK> restricting it also means less chance it picks wrong one
[11:15] <Boelle_DK> but i have set it like here: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[11:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> thats right of if several different ones in the same bandwidth
[11:16] <Boelle_DK> lucky mee i dont need virtual cable etc
[11:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> on HF you may have several stations all in the same bandwidth
[11:16] <jededu> daveake Ping upuwork
[11:16] <jededu> lol ping upu
[11:16] <Boelle_DK> but thanks for advice so far....
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[11:20] <Boelle_DK> hmm.... btw... a linux user is going to help me build that automatic listning post i dreamed of last year....
[11:20] <Boelle_DK> most of the parts are ordered... but sadly not while b64 is passing
[11:20] <SpeedEvil> Boelle_DK: :)
[11:21] <Boelle_DK> just for the fun of it.... how much magnification would be needed to spot a HAB at 12KM ?
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[11:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> It was discussed at 10:40 read the buffer
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[11:29] <Boelle_DK> hehe... that one starts at 12:29:23
[11:31] <mattbrejza> b64 is decodable in soton now
[11:32] <G0HDI> I'm in Calshot Soton, nothing here yet
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[11:38] <Boelle_DK> btw... is channel logged so i can go further back than my buffer?
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[11:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/
[11:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> its at 09:40 UTC the discussion
[11:40] <Boelle_DK> oki... another Q... is anyone using the auto tune feature?
[11:40] <SpeedEvil> It makes conference recordings lots better.
[11:40] <Boelle_DK> oh...
[11:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes
[11:40] <Boelle_DK> freq tracking its called
[11:41] <mfa298> yes
[11:41] <Boelle_DK> what settings?
[11:41] <mfa298> lots of people use it
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes but the software needs to support it I use SDR-Radio but its not available for the Mac
[11:41] <mfa298> I've got it setup using rigcat to talk to my TS-2000
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[11:43] Action: mfa298 wonders how long until B64 is in range of my not very good antenna.
[11:43] <mfa298> I see astra is already picking it up
[11:43] <Boelle_DK> SDR radio? should i use that too? please laugh
[11:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> If you have a PC available its a good choice
[11:44] <mattbrejza> astra got bored of listening to string after string of contestia and has decided to switch for aprs for more of a challenge :P
[11:44] <mfa298> sdr-radio is one of the windows applications that does a similar job to gqrx
[11:45] <mattbrejza> shame SQL is set at not quite zero
[11:45] Action: mfa298 wonders how much the penthouse flats go for and how long he'd have to wait to get one.
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[11:46] <mfa298> that could make a very good location for a tracking station
[11:46] <Boelle_DK> oki... but i hope that the dongle alone will do.... get a lot of garbage right now
[11:46] <gonzo__> or buy a shed on a hill
[11:47] <mattbrejza> apparently ocean village is reasonably cheap to rent
[11:47] <mattbrejza> the ones at the top looking over the sea might be more expensive though
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[11:47] <mfa298> but they're not at one of the higher poitns of soton and I don't think have as many floors
[11:48] <mattbrejza> true
[11:48] <mattbrejza> become a student again and get one of the rooms at the top of that new tower ;)
[11:49] <mfa298> susf / suws should see if they can get a room up there. That could make for a good shack / tracking station
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[11:53] <mattbrejza> suws wanted a websdr on top of susu
[11:53] <Reb-SM0ULC> Will there be any shooting of salute when it crosses the final longitude? :)
[11:54] <craag_philcrump> mattbrejza: There's plans in the works for an rtl-sdr on top of zepler, and something more on top of susu...
[11:54] <mattbrejza> got anywhere with the zepler plans yet?
[11:54] <Boelle_DK> what are the most common settings used for freq tracking? or does it not work on mac with sdr dongle direct to dl-fldigi?
[11:55] <craag_philcrump> mattbrejza: Got some more of the kit worked out. Next step is finding funding to purchase it.
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[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> You need something between the DOngle and dl-fldigi, d;-fldigi is only a modem not an SDR receiver
[11:55] <craag_philcrump> I'll know more this evening.
[11:55] <mfa298> Boelle_DK: it depends on your radio (in your case I think gqrx) and whether it supports remote control (I don't think gqrx does)
[11:56] <Boelle_DK> what radio?
[11:56] <mattbrejza> ah
[11:56] <Boelle_DK> the guides says it can go direct?
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> which guide ?
[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> You need Dongle into USB, USB drivers, SDR software, modem software
[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Use this http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker
[11:57] <gonzo__> some people get away with using the FCD direct, as that appears as a soundcard. But they are still missing the IQ processing, so it's far from ideal.
[11:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> and http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[11:59] <Boelle_DK> hmm... i wonder why the waterfall is working then
[11:59] <Boelle_DK> and stops working when i pull the dongle
[11:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its always ddisplays noise from the audio path
[12:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> are you using gqrx
[12:00] <Boelle_DK> yeah... me an arse hat
[12:00] <Boelle_DK> no
[12:00] <mfa298> maybe try tuning to a locl FM station and see how te waterfall changes
[12:00] <Boelle_DK> as i just said i only have the dongle in and dl-fldigi
[12:00] <mfa298> and assuming you can hear the audio see if you can hear the station
[12:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> partial decode
[12:02] <Maxell> craag_philcrump: I will also igate from your websdr leo's 434.5 fm aprs
[12:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its a bit lower in freq then when it set off!
[12:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> $$B-64,208:8R<!E(OF#240731,49.5946,-5.9407,12624,9,09H.23, X66 4E2B
[12:03] <craag_philcrump> Maxell: Cool! It might take a while to turn up, it's shadowed by a high ridge to the west. Should be better as it moves around to the South though.
[12:03] <Boelle_DK> so for mac i need to install gqrx...?
[12:03] <PE2G> Geoff-G8DHE: Cool! On what freq do you have it?
[12:04] <Boelle_DK> and drivers of course
[12:04] <Boelle_DK> need to recheck that
[12:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Green!
[12:04] Action: Maxell not bothering with normal contastia - the rest is already taking care of that :)
[12:05] <Maxell> And we know how magical is it.
[12:05] <Maxell> Howeer FM AFSK is a pita and coverage isn't great
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> cenyered on 4344993
[12:05] <PE2G> Geoff-G8DHE: Tnx
[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Before RSID: <<2014-07-31T12:07Z Contestia @ 434498201+1000>>
[12:09] <UpuWork> hi jededu
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[12:19] <Boelle_DK> a bit lost here... what is first step on mac to get the dongle working?
[12:19] <Boelle_DK> ie very first step
[12:19] <Boelle_DK> wait
[12:19] <Boelle_DK> think i found a video
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[12:23] <Ron_G8FJG> Dial freq for B64?
[12:24] <mattbrejza> 434.5003 for 1500Hz on the waterfall
[12:24] <Ron_G8FJG> thanks
[12:26] <F1VJQ> astrobiologist will have the best seat in the house right now
[12:26] <F1VJQ> he's near Penzance
[12:27] <yo9ict> Guys, what you think about MD80 cameras compared to 808 ones?
[12:27] <Ron_G8FJG> spot on partials ...have to wind the tower up a bit more
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[12:29] <jededu> upu did you have enough
[12:32] <Boelle_DK> bummer... need help getting the SDR dongle to work.... still on a mc
[12:32] <Boelle_DK> mac
[12:33] <UpuWork> jededu your chip boards have 7Q's
[12:33] <UpuWork> the active one is a 7C
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[12:36] <x-f> Boelle_DK, which OS X version, what's the problem?
[12:36] <Boelle_DK> 10.6.8
[12:36] <Boelle_DK> it cant run newer
[12:36] <Boelle_DK> need help getting the stick to work.... ie from scratch
[12:36] <Laurenceb_> anyone out with a camera/scope?
[12:36] <x-f> 32 or 64 bit?
[12:37] <Darkside> plug it in, us GQRX..
[12:37] <Boelle_DK> 2gb so assume 32 bit... i was not asked when installed os
[12:37] <Boelle_DK> GQRX? no drivers needed?
[12:37] <LeoBodnar> i have two versions of gqrx on 10.6.8 Mac
[12:37] <Darkside> http://dekar.wc3edit.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/gqrx_8.dmg
[12:37] <Darkside> might work
[12:37] <LeoBodnar> one is 2.2
[12:37] <Darkside> Boelle_DK: shouldnt need thm
[12:38] <Boelle_DK> ok tryin
[12:38] <Darkside> then install soundflower so you have a loopback audio device to use with other stuff like fldigi
[12:38] <Darkside> http://cycling74.com/products/soundflower/
[12:39] <x-f> Gqrx doesn't run on 32 bit Macs
[12:39] <Darkside> x-f: it might be 64 bit..
[12:39] <Darkside> you nevr know..
[12:39] <Darkside> if its not, then... yeah
[12:39] <Darkside> not going to happn
[12:39] <LeoBodnar> it does on mine
[12:40] <x-f> check System Information - Core Duo is 32 bit, all others are 64 bit
[12:40] <LeoBodnar> 10.6.8 gqrx + soundflower
[12:40] <Darkside> LeoBodnar: you can install 10.6.8 as 32 bit or 64 bit
[12:40] <LeoBodnar> Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
[12:40] <Darkside> oh hang on
[12:40] <Darkside> no, its not an install option, its a boot option i think
[12:40] <Boelle_DK> then its 32 bit
[12:40] <Darkside> lik, you hold down 6+4 or something on boot
[12:40] <Darkside> hmm
[12:41] <Darkside> Boelle_DK: open a terminal and run uname -a
[12:41] <Darkside> and paste the output in here
[12:41] <Boelle_DK> this caht is on windows
[12:41] <Boelle_DK> but will try
[12:41] <LeoBodnar> 75956 Gqrx 0.1 00:02.99 2 1 148 264- 13M+ 21M- 33M- 40M 2750M- 75956 114 sleeping
[12:41] <Darkside> LeoBodnar: could you run uname -a?
[12:42] <LeoBodnar> Darwin MacBook.local 10.8.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.8.0: Tue Jun 7 16:33:36 PDT 2011; root:xnu-1504.15.3~1/RELEASE_I386 i386
[12:42] <Darkside> 32 bit
[12:42] <Darkside> interesting
[12:42] <Darkside> so v2.2 runs on 32 bit
[12:42] <LeoBodnar> It's gqrx 0.0
[12:42] <LeoBodnar> also have 2.2
[12:42] <Darkside> oh
[12:42] <LeoBodnar> 0.0 runs better
[12:42] <Darkside> must just be a compile thing then
[12:44] <Boelle_DK> so what do you want to know deom that uname line?
[12:44] <Darkside> does it have i386 in it
[12:44] <Boelle_DK> yes...
[12:44] <Boelle_DK> 32bit
[12:44] <Darkside> right
[12:44] <Boelle_DK> told you that
[12:44] <Darkside> yep
[12:44] <Boelle_DK> :-D
[12:44] <Darkside> well, still give gqrx a go
[12:44] <Boelle_DK> i did... its not starting up right
[12:45] <Darkside> if not maybe LeoBodnar can give a link to the version he has, if he downloaded it
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[12:45] <mfa298> there's a nice simple solution to this. 1) Download ubuntu CD, 2) Install Ubuntu, 3) ????, 4) Profit
[12:45] <Darkside> yah, probably was compiled for 64 bit
[12:45] <LeoBodnar> http://dekar.wc3edit.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/
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[12:45] <LeoBodnar> i think it's _4 or _7
[12:45] <Boelle_DK> oki
[12:45] <Boelle_DK> trying
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[12:45] <x-f> Boelle_DK, so it doesn't have a grey question mark over its icon?
[12:45] <Darkside> hrm
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[12:46] <Darkside> those dmgs also seem suspiciously small
[12:46] <Darkside> they might not b bundling in all th dependencies it needs
[12:46] <Laurenceb_> is anyone heading out with a scope to try to get a shot?
[12:47] <Laurenceb_> aiming might be tricky
[12:47] <Boelle_DK> x-f: what? its allready trashed...
[12:48] <mattbrejza> :D got b64 via aprs
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[12:49] <Maxell> heh normal aprs already @ craag_philcrump's websdr: Digipeater WIDE2 (probably MB7UW) audio level = 53 [NONE] |||
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[12:49] <Maxell> [0.1] M0XER-4>APRS64,MB7UW,WIDE2*:!/5Am)M6GJO L2u!/A=041344|MzOP(9?0!(|
[12:49] <Maxell> Position, BALLOON, Generic, (obsolete. Digis should use APNxxx instead)
[12:49] <Boelle_DK> hmmm.. when downloaded _4 its just jumping up and down in the launchbar
[12:49] <mattbrejza> fairly sure mine was via a repeater though
[12:49] <mattbrejza> or at least the last packet was
[12:50] <Ron_G8FJG> is the aprs for B64 on 434.5 or 144.8?
[12:50] <mattbrejza> 144.8 at least
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[12:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> lz1devping
[12:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ping lz1dev
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[12:51] <lz1dev> Geoff-G8DHE-M: hey
[12:51] <Ron_G8FJG> ok ..only hpol for 2 here ...got greens 50km before blue ring :-)
[12:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Any obvious reason why i should loose the lefthand panel with the sat dat in the MT ?
[12:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> it went earlier today on this machine and can't get it back despite rebooting clearinbg cqcheetc
[12:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> clreaing cache
[12:52] <Boelle_DK> does gqrx require other stuff? it ended up not responding
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[12:53] <lz1dev> Geoff-G8DHE-M: the vehicle list disappeared for you?
[12:53] <nats`> Boelle_DK at that level you should take teamviewer and ask someone to take the time to check directly on your mac
[12:53] <Boelle_DK> all for it
[12:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yup was ok earlier today then it dissapered on a refresh and can't get it back, flights display oK but can't select
[12:53] <Boelle_DK> mac was retired long time ago and was taken out recently and reformatted mainly for this purpose only
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[12:56] <lz1dev> Geoff-G8DHE-M: try rotating your phone :)
[12:56] <Ian_> Boelle_DK: Not responding . . . if you have the Gui up, go to files and Start DSP
[12:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No this is on a laptop running FF
[12:57] <Ian_> Ah, OK.
[12:57] <malgar> so, who have been the first to receive it? :)
[12:57] <Boelle_DK> FF?
[12:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> FireFox
[12:57] <Boelle_DK> no fire fox
[12:58] <Boelle_DK> chrome
[12:58] <lz1dev> Geoff-G8DHE-M: that's strange, try adding ?hidelist=0 to the url
[12:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> OK its FF 31
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[13:01] <Ian_> B64 so near and no posn update for over 50 minutes, is something wrong or communications embargo?
[13:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Looks to be reloading but taking a long time
[13:01] <craag_philcrump> Ian_: UTC..
[13:02] <Boelle_DK> anyway i got teamviewer running...
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[13:02] <lz1dev> Geoff-G8DHE-M: firefox bugs out some times, and it won't load
[13:02] <Boelle_DK> anyone up for helping?
[13:02] <SpeedEvil> The main tracker never loads for me
[13:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> right :-(
[13:03] <lz1dev> try closing firefox completely
[13:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yup did that earlier, and cleared cache, I'll try a machine reboot just incase. Back in a mo
[13:04] <lz1dev> they refuse to fix stuff regarding applicationCache since it's not what the spec says
[13:04] <simium> hi, I have a HAM radio noob question
[13:04] <lz1dev> reboot is not needed, just kill the ff process
[13:04] <simium> I don't have a HAM radio license at the moment, but I'm making a SSDV hardware for someone who does
[13:05] <simium> it's a problem that I test it again dl-fldigi and upload telemetry or SSDV images without having said license?
[13:05] <simium> is it*
[13:05] <gonzo__> simium, are you in the UK?
[13:06] <simium> nope, Spain
[13:07] <mfa298> you only need the HAM license for the transmitter if it's running as an Amateur station rather than as an ISM radio
[13:07] <gonzo__> not sure of the legality in spain, but in the UK, we use the ISM band which is licence exempt. So no licence needed to TX. And the RX side does not need a licence
[13:07] <Boelle_DK> the rules are similar....
[13:07] <mfa298> if it's on 434 MHz and is 10mW it can probably be classed as ISM (but check local licensing laws)
[13:07] <Boelle_DK> one of the nice things about EU....
[13:08] <SpeedEvil> gonzo__: at teh low power, but not with a normal transmitter at regular power
[13:08] <gonzo__> the ISM band does share the same frequencies with the 70 amateur band, but legally (in the uk) it is separate
[13:08] <Boelle_DK> so if it runs on a HAM freq you have to have a licensed HAM at your side
[13:08] <mfa298> Boelle_DK: it's a ITU Region thing not just EU but different countries can have slightly different rules on whats allowed
[13:08] <Boelle_DK> yep... slightly... hence i used the word similar
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[13:10] <simium> sure, it runs at 434
[13:10] <simium> it's an NTX2
[13:10] <Boelle_DK> ahh
[13:10] <Boelle_DK> then you are free to go :-D
[13:10] <Boelle_DK> the freq is EU wide license exempt
[13:10] <Boelle_DK> excempt
[13:10] <simium> and the callsign that I use can be anything?
[13:10] <Boelle_DK> practical yes
[13:10] <simium> good
[13:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> lz1dev, OK no change see http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/2014_Flights/ Cpature1 and capture2 with the nolist option
[13:11] <simium> thank you
[13:11] <mfa298> probably best to stick to something that's obviously not an amateur callsign then it's clear you're operating under ISM
[13:11] <Boelle_DK> no problemo
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[13:12] <gonzo__> in the uk,. the ntx2 (10mW version) runs in the ISM band , and is also an approved module, so you don't have to do lots of testing and certification.
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[13:12] <mikestir-work> Boelle_DK: the frequency isn't necessarily license exempt (as it's also a ham frequency)
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[13:12] <mfa298> Ideally you should check local regs as ISM use can vary slightly from country to country but it very likely you're fine anywhere in the EU (or ITU Region 1)
[13:13] <gonzo__> the advantage of the ISM band overlapping the amateur band, there is lots of AR equipment you can use to RX.
[13:13] <Boelle_DK> mikestir-work: upps....
[13:13] <simium> ok, it's not testing as in "certification testing", it's just testing as in "will it flipping work or not" testing :)
[13:13] <gonzo__> the 430-440MHz range is shared between lots of services. In the UK the military are actually the primary user
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[13:14] <mikestir-work> Boelle_DK: to claim license exempt operation you have to meet all the requirements of the relevant exemption, including maximum power levels, duty cycle limits, etc
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[13:14] <Boelle_DK> mikestir-work: yep i stand corrected :-/
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[13:15] <gonzo__> if you were to design your own TX, then theoretically you should get it certified to be legal to use. But using a module that has already been approved, you sidestep all that
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[13:15] <Boelle_DK> anyhow, any mac users that can help me get stuff working?
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[13:16] <gonzo__> you should probably similify that question to 'any mac users' first!
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[13:16] <Ian_> cragg_phillcrump: forced refresh of mobile tracker and the map updated OK so B64 not stalled west of St Ives for an hour after all :)
[13:16] <Ian_> Lol
[13:17] <Boelle_DK> gonzo.... hehe yep
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[13:18] <Boelle_DK> So... any mac users ?
[13:18] <lz1dev> Geoff-G8DHE-M: ahhh
[13:18] <craag_philcrump> Ian_: Ah ok :)
[13:18] <lz1dev> press CTRL+0
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[13:18] <Laurenceb_> <Boelle_DK> only the dirty kind
[13:18] <craag_philcrump> use habmap if you can tolerated the lines ;)
[13:18] <nats`> Boelle_DK if like you say this mac is only refurbished to do that put a live usb key with ubuntu
[13:19] <Boelle_DK> not only decode
[13:19] <nats`> you'll find more help
[13:19] <lz1dev> craag_philcrump: pull the fix from leaflets githup and try it :)
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[13:19] <craag_philcrump> lz1dev: Can you link it?
[13:19] <Boelle_DK> i use it from time to time when i tune my 3D printer
[13:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Right cleared the applicationache as well, and its not Ctrl-0 either ;-)
[13:20] <mfa298> +1 for nats suggestion. (Also see my comment around 30 minutes ago)
[13:20] <Ian_> Certainly not Ctrl-O on a linux box.
[13:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Nope Win7 here ;-)
[13:21] <Boelle_DK> i saw the ubuntu suggestions.... not the route i want
[13:21] <thasti> does anyone else have some input for me? I've got a si4060 which responds to commands (get part info etc.) correctly, but never returns CTS after issuing the power_up-command .. read cmd buffer always returns 0x00 from this point on ..
[13:21] <lz1dev> it's the zoom level
[13:22] <lz1dev> im certain
[13:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yup I know its not that ;-)
[13:22] <nats`> thasti take care to the chip select :)
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[13:22] <nats`> the si446x has a weird way to handle it
[13:22] <thasti> nats`: does it need to be anything special for the power up command?
[13:22] <nats`> nop for the power up command you have to wait a little
[13:23] <nats`> you can normally catch the POR indication
[13:23] <nats`> on gpio 1 or 0
[13:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ahh you gave me an idea Ctril+ and Ctrl- brought it back!
[13:23] <craag_philcrump> lz1dev: Found it - long thread - I'll read up on it later rather than blindly trying to merge it
[13:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ctrrl0 no effect
[13:23] <nats`> thasti you need to deassert and reassert the chip select before reading CTS
[13:24] <nats`> cs=0->CMD->cs=1->cs=0->CTS->cs=1
[13:24] <Boelle_DK> in fact b64 is going to be super ideal for me today... will pass less than 10 km south of me
[13:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Now how did that get thru a reboot I wonder ?
[13:24] <Boelle_DK> if predictions holds
[13:24] <thasti> nats`: ok, that's what i do - but do i have to wait before reading cmd_buffer or can i start polling it directly afterwards?
[13:24] <Boelle_DK> i wished i had an usb extension long enough to reach window
[13:24] <Laurenceb_> Boelle_DK: do you have a telescope?
[13:24] <lz1dev> craag_philcrump: just pull https://github.com/yohanboniface/Leaflet/tree/crossing_date_line_geometry
[13:24] <Boelle_DK> Laurenceb_: nope sadly not
[13:24] <lz1dev> Geoff-G8DHE-M: firefox remembers your zoom level
[13:24] <Laurenceb_> :-/
[13:25] <Laurenceb_> itd be cool if someone managed to get a photo
[13:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Even thru a reboot of the machine ?
[13:25] <lz1dev> yep
[13:25] <lz1dev> that's the idea
[13:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Right never suspected that
[13:25] <lz1dev> if you are kinda blind, you zoom up
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[13:25] <lz1dev> and all sites are zoomed up
[13:25] <Boelle_DK> also i asked how much magnification is needed to take a pic... read the buffer and log, got no wiser
[13:25] <Boelle_DK> but yet my main issue is to get this damm sdr dongle working on the mac is it is...
[13:26] <nats`> thasti after power up there is a wait time, after a command you poll cts until the chip is ready
[13:26] <nats`> I never got the case where it's not directly
[13:26] <nats`> but maybe when handling fifo or time consumming stuff it's important
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[13:27] <thasti> nats`: i wait for gpio1 (the POR indication) and afterwards can issue the part info-command (which gets me the correct answer bytes), and CTS goes high, but when i issue power_up the same way and poll CTS (the same way..), CTS never goes high again :(
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[13:27] <thasti> my scope confirms that i'm sending the right amount of bytes (and the right values too, as far as i can tell)
[13:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Right yes I can now produce effect but Ctrl0 doesn't reset it as normal have to use Ctrl+ / - to select no zoom
[13:28] <Guest17636> Watching B63 heading towards its original track and will crack a drink or two when it crosses the line excellent work congratulations
[13:28] <nats`> thasti I don't have any idea right now on that problem :\; sorry
[13:28] <lz1dev> Geoff-G8DHE-M: the boxes of the site misalign by 1px
[13:28] <lz1dev> and the the list disappers
[13:28] <thasti> nats`: alright, then thanks .. maybe soldering another IC is worth a try..
[13:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> OK makes sense - sort of!
[13:29] <Boelle_DK> somethings happens i think....
[13:29] <thasti> sadly it's not documented anywhere IF that command can fail in any way
[13:29] <simium> can B63 now be considered a satellite? :P
[13:30] <Boelle_DK> buttom line in dl-fldig fills up more rapid.... thou still garbage
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[13:30] <Boelle_DK> and the black diamond do flash green from time to time
[13:31] <Boelle_DK> but well i guess its just noise
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[13:34] <DL7AD_> hi
[13:34] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
[13:34] <Maxell> Hello DL7AD
[13:34] <DL7AD> hi Maxell
[13:37] <Reb-SM0ULC> simium: i would give it a day more at least.
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[13:38] <nats`> thasti I think the IC is good
[13:39] <nats`> if it answer the part info it shoudl at least continue to run for SPI part
[13:39] <la3eq> B-64 bck again from around the world trip?
[13:39] <Boelle_DK> LeoBodnar: arround?
[13:39] <thasti> nats`: i believe that too - but i can't seem to find the error ..
[13:40] <thasti> i verified the wrong behaviour with another SPI master (bus pirate), it behaves the same there
[13:40] <thasti> but that does not mean i do something wrong somewhere else :)
[13:40] <simium> Reb-SM0ULC hehe :)
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[13:44] <astrobiologist> one packet decoded from st michael's mount. my honour redeemed :-)
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[13:46] <aadamson> so when's the knighing ceremony scheduled for Sir Leo? - HUGE CONGRATS!!!
[13:46] <yo9ict> Someone who is good at designing logos in photoshop that can give me some ideas?
[13:46] <aadamson> course that would also be the *knighting ceremony*...
[13:47] <Boelle_DK> as long you dont say knitting :-P
[13:47] <aadamson> yea really
[13:48] <LeoBodnar> kniggeting
[13:48] <nats`> nuggets ?
[13:48] <nats`> where ?!
[13:49] <LeoBodnar> thanks aadamson
[13:49] <mightymik> it's the B-64 world tour
[13:49] <Laurenceb_> B-64-World-Order
[13:50] <aadamson> how close is it the it's milestone or has it been met? -3 and needs to get to -1?
[13:50] <Boelle_DK> LeoBodnar: also hats of from DK
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[13:51] <Boelle_DK> LeoBodnar: its like when obama won election first time
[13:51] <lz1dev> craag_philcrump: http://i.imgur.com/HLfiddm.png
[13:51] <lz1dev> think they have a lot of work left to do
[13:51] <myself> Wow. Tip of the hat from Michigan, USA. Well done, sir Leo.
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[13:52] <astrobiologist> Congrats Leo!
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[13:54] <craag_philcrump> lz1dev: Haha! I'm not going to fuss over it... it'll probably not happen again soon. (PROVE ME WRONG, PEOPLE!)
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[13:54] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: HAB UPDATE: B-64 Circumnavigation nearly complete, 2 degrees Long. to go!
[13:54] <tweetBot> #ukhas #hab #hamr #hamradio http://t.co/MJYpSRDkN7
[13:54] <lz1dev> inb4 second dateline crossing for b64
[13:55] <craag_philcrump> ;)
[13:55] <myself> I think you mean meridian?
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[13:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/index.php?ind=0
[13:56] <Maxell> Nice plot Geoff-G8DHE-M
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[13:56] <Laurenceb_> what does it look like from the pole?
[13:57] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE-M: too bad the world isn't flat so the render could be done for it's whole flight! :P
[13:57] <Maxell> Oh, what Laurenceb_ said
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[13:58] <thasti> nats`: i don't get it: in the power up command you have to send the "FUNC"-parameter (which should be always 1) - if i set it to ANYTHING else that 1, it returns CTS=0xff, if i set it to 1 (what it should be..) it doesn't - so seems like corrupt firmware??
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/index.php?ind=1
[13:58] <Laurenceb_> sweet
[13:59] <nats`> thasti I don't remember but the problem with the FF cts is that by default your SPI link will always return FF
[13:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It will be done latter, flat, Object Movie Pano etc I'll put it in all spherical formats!
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[14:00] <myself> it just moved :) that's so amusing, I'm just gonna be watching this all morning now
[14:00] <jiffe98> someone turn the wind on, lets get this thing done!
[14:00] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE-M: nice
[14:00] <Laurenceb_> <Geoff-G8DHE-M> looks like it meets FAI rules
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[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> This will be a flight worth spoending some processing time on ;-)
[14:01] <thasti> nats`: i know .. but the si4060 accepts commands afterwards (if i set it to the wrong function), so i suspect a broken firmware image (which is what the function parameter does)
[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> What are the FAI rules link ?
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[14:03] <Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumnavigation
[14:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Whats the Football Association Of Ireland got to do with it ?
[14:03] <craag_philcrump> astrobiologist: You could look a bit happier :)
[14:04] <Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumnavigation#Aviation
[14:04] <LeoBodnar> Geoff-G8DHE-M: http://www.fai.org/component/phocadownload/category/1029-around-the-world-flights?download=57:cia-around-the-world-flight-rules
[14:04] <Maxell> Hmm I wonder what stations is on 434,5 MHz :) http://i.sigio.nl/2c20b7b79a36eef96cd9e6f5396c0982.png
[14:05] <UpuWork> Going for FEMININE CATEGORY: The best performance achieved by a woman. In this category the entire crew must be female. ?
[14:05] <craag_philcrump> Maxell: It's labelled on the waterfall ;)
[14:05] <Laurenceb_> The best performance achieved by a woman
[14:05] <Maxell> craag_philcrump: still waiting for ISM APRS :(
[14:05] <Laurenceb_> sounds prony
[14:06] <craag_philcrump> Maxell: It's neatly skirting the geofence, should be easily receivable on there when it happens though!
[14:06] <astrobiologist> craag_philcrump: sorry, sun was in my eyes!
[14:07] <mattbrejza> hmm need to get into the room at the top of engineering where the radio is and turn off the SQL... :(
[14:07] <astrobiologist> Vulcan bomber just overflew me here in Cornwall... must be saluting u Leo!
[14:07] <craag_philcrump> mattbrejza: Need a crowbar?
[14:07] <mattbrejza> it might be left open for all we know
[14:08] <Laurenceb_> irony: if B-64 was injested by the vulcan
[14:08] <Maxell> craag_philcrump: rather have in on the amteur aprs though. It's more reliable. However I would like to test ISM APRS :)
[14:08] <UpuWork> ping DL7AD
[14:09] <Maxell> pong UpuWork
[14:09] <Maxell> oh have to poke the firewall again :P
[14:10] <UpuWork> hmm you're not DL7AD Maxell
[14:10] <DL7AD> UpuWork: pong
[14:10] <UpuWork> ah real one
[14:11] <UpuWork> pm
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[14:11] <Boelle_DK> Still no mac users that can help me getting the rtl sdr dongle to work
[14:11] <Maxell> no
[14:12] <Boelle_DK> gqrx does not work... it just jumps and stops responding
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[14:12] <x-f> Boelle_DK, try launching it from Terminal, see what it outputs in the console
[14:12] <Boelle_DK> well why not... brb
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[14:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> We need a new flight doc in habitat so Habrotate can track it!
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[14:15] <astrobiologist> can still hear B64 here but can't decode
[14:15] <jgrahamc> Afternoon. Signed on for the first time in a while because have been mesmerized by B-64.
[14:15] <Laurenceb_> FAI doesnt seem to keep unmanned rcords
[14:16] <Guest17636> It does, QinetiQ got one for Zephyr two week flight in 2010
[14:17] <Guest17636> It would be worth submittin git
[14:17] <Guest17636> it
[14:18] <Guest17636> Here it is http://www.suasnews.com/2010/12/3111/qinetiq-zephyr-records-ratified/
[14:18] <Laurenceb_> where are unmanned records?
[14:19] <Boelle_DK> x-f: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wxlavuby5c5yc8t/AACed8Nn4OUw9v3964cXP0uWa/#lh:null-20140731_161701.jpg
[14:19] <db_g6gzh> first green, welcome back B-64 and congrats LeoBodnar
[14:20] <LeoBodnar> ta!
[14:20] <Guest17636> class U Class U (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles - UAV) / Claims number : 14751 & 14752
[14:20] <db_g6gzh> I see you have a year in your date field, is that intentional ? 8-)
[14:20] <LeoBodnar> lol just in case
[14:21] <aadamson> Laurenceb_, under experimental and new technologies
[14:21] <Laurenceb_> oh
[14:21] <oh2ftg> Boelle_DK: ifreq over at ##rtlsdr uses OS X
[14:22] <Guest17636> congratulations from South Africa, I will open the falling over juice as it crosses its track out although I am sure its done enough. Very very cool
[14:22] <Boelle_DK> oh2ftg: thanks...
[14:22] <LeoBodnar> thanks Guest17636 !
[14:22] <oh2ftg> In general that channel deals with the rtl sticks
[14:23] <Boelle_DK> yes... i just have to wait for him to show up
[14:23] <oh2ftg> Likely a few hours
[14:24] <oh2ftg> he's @ work currently
[14:25] <Boelle_DK> no problemo... trying my luck still thou
[14:25] <Boelle_DK> could be that others now the trick
[14:26] <mightymik> starting to get partials
[14:26] <Laurenceb_> <Guest17636> thats a UAV - winged
[14:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> LeoBodnar, How long does the log info run backwards for ?
[14:27] <aadamson> Laurenceb_, looking at the FAI records, it may be time for a *new* category :)
[14:27] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[14:27] <Laurenceb_> <1m^3
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[14:28] <aadamson> Course there always - http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/ :)
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[14:28] <jgrahamc> What sort of balloon is being used for B-64?
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[14:29] <db_g6gzh> jgrahamc: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8256436992/hD3C5B3AE/
[14:29] <lz1dev> 64th generation next-gen space-age material
[14:29] <db_g6gzh> opps sorry
[14:29] <db_g6gzh> jgrahamc: http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/B-64-envelope.jpg
[14:29] <G0HDI> At last a green!. I obviously have problems rx'ing to the West
[14:30] <db_g6gzh> I think bacon is on topic though
[14:31] <db_g6gzh> and http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/B-64-envelope2.jpg
[14:32] <Guest17636> laurenceb, yes its a UAS, but at least they have an unmanned category, otherwise maybe it would be something like balloon free and size, would be pretty cool against the manned ones
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[14:33] <amell> can someone tell me when B-64 starts sending contesia or the rxid pls?
[14:34] <amell> looking for it in my waterfall. pips are not obvious
[14:34] <db_g6gzh> amell: now!
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[14:35] <db_g6gzh> it's a bit weak - got 2 red that time
[14:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wow b-64 is back, fantastic
[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> RSID Now
[14:36] <G0HDI> rxid now
[14:36] <amell> oh. it does help to have USB selected instead of FM :)
[14:36] <G0HDI> lol
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[14:39] <amell> i see something in teh WF but its faint
[14:40] <simium> how do I configure dl-fldigi to listen to the audio played by the own computer?
[14:40] <simium> I have headphones right now so I can't play it out loud for the mic to listen to it
[14:40] <amell> ooh. i hadnt seen B-64 envelope before. looks like a clear plastic bag, no foil?
[14:41] <amell> is it antibacterial plastic.
[14:41] <simium> it's win7, if that helps
[14:41] <amell> bet the B-64 envelope is now disgustingly unhygenic.
[14:42] <myself> Heh. Having been dragging through all that sky-moss?
[14:42] <amell> humidity, condensation etc.
[14:42] <amell> ebola spores etc.
[14:42] <lz1dev> don't lick it then
[14:42] <lz1dev> ;\
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[14:48] <yo9ict> How to route Chrome audio to virtual audio cable ?
[14:48] <amell> 1.75 degrees of longitude remain]
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[14:49] <amell> Whats going on with IN3ANF on snus?
[14:49] <amell> doesnt look like a genuine flight
[14:50] <jiffe98> either that or africa's having some crazy weather
[14:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/B-64_201407311548.jpg
[14:51] <jiffe98> apparently there's a wormhole across part of the pacific?
[14:52] <jiffe98> I think b64 cheated, no wormholes!
[14:52] <x-f> yo9ict, set the default output as VAC in Sound preferences (Control Panel)
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[14:54] <Lunar_Lander> hello everyone
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[14:55] <yo9ict> Tnx x-f !
[14:56] <x-f> you're welcome
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[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar_, 100 km left to glory
[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> how do you feel?
[14:57] <LeoBodnar> erm, nominal
[14:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/B-64_201407311557.jpg
[14:58] <LeoBodnar> i am not flying at 13km so i'm ok
[14:58] <gonzo__> must be smoking the wrong stuff
[14:58] <LeoBodnar> lol
[14:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> LeoBodnar, How long does the log info run backwards for ?
[14:59] <craag_philcrump> so when are we starting the surprise party at Leo's?
[14:59] <craag_philcrump> crap wrong channel
[14:59] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:59] <LeoBodnar> supposed to be 10 days Geoff-G8DHE-M
[14:59] <LeoBodnar> lol
[14:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Right
[14:59] <LeoBodnar> we got all the log had to offer
[15:00] <LeoBodnar> some of the data over Pacific has been lost due to a big and GPS reset
[15:00] <LeoBodnar> bug
[15:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah right
[15:00] <amell> let me guess, you got your stack trace back via aprs comments?
[15:01] <LeoBodnar> it's not a guess, it's true
[15:02] <Lunar_Lander> where is the backlog saved?
[15:03] <amell> another definition of circumnavigation is where the paths cross.
[15:04] <Lunar_Lander> in the EEPROM I guess?
[15:04] <Lunar_Lander> btw, this year is the 15th anniversary of Breitling Orbiter 3
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[15:10] <Reb-SM0ULC> yo9ict: have you paid for vac? vbcable is a very good free alternative
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[15:14] <LeoBodnar> i am expecting APRS to switch over to 434.500 in about 20-30minutes
[15:14] Nick change: peedEvil -> SpeedEvil
[15:14] <Herman-PB0AHX> the first green lines from the world taller received here woooooow
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[15:14] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: seriously? :D
[15:14] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes maxxel
[15:14] <LeoBodnar> it would be nice to continue gating data to aprs.fi as many people don't know any better
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[15:14] <Reb-SM0ULC> LeoBodnar: ah, it's aprs only now?
[15:15] <jiffe98> snus redraw's been bad lately, at least for me, most the time the map is just flat white
[15:15] <LeoBodnar> no 434.500 Contestia all the way
[15:15] <Herman-PB0AHX> LeoBodnar: Leo many congrats with the globe ballon wow
[15:15] <LeoBodnar> but will also have 434.500 FM APRS bursts in 20-30 minutes
[15:16] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: I can edit the igate's status to reflect links to the snus map
[15:16] <astrobiologist> hang on, what was the aprs on before? I was on 434.5, FM, the whole time and I got one good APRS decode a couple of hours ago
[15:16] <Reb-SM0ULC> LeoBodnar: again, congrats!
[15:17] <Maxell> astrobiologist: 144,8 MHz regional aprs freqs
[15:17] <astrobiologist> Maxell: But I wasn't on 144.8
[15:17] <LeoBodnar> you said you have dual-bander?
[15:18] <LeoBodnar> the comments on 434.500 will include " ISM 10 mW "
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[15:18] <gurgalof> awesome, B-64 is almost back where it started
[15:18] <Maxell> There we go again... http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=M0XER-4&limit=25
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[15:19] <astrobiologist> LeoBodnar: Yes, dual-bander but I had left it on a single channel on 434.5 since this morning
[15:19] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: ok I can setup the extra message here
[15:20] <astrobiologist> I had been given to understand last night by someone that B-64 would geofence to 434.5Mhz from 30W
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[15:23] <astrobiologist> so... how did I get a decoded aprs packet on 434.5Mhz at 13.52 BST?
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[15:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> astrobiologist you didnt, APRS is not transmitted on 70cm?`
[15:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> APRS is transmitted on VHF, 2M
[15:25] <astrobiologist> 0Z1SKY_Brian: B-64 does when airborne APRS is not legal on 2m, like in the U.K. So as I understand it, Leo programmed in a geofence to switch it to 10mW ISM (license-exempt) inside U.K airspace
[15:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> As i understand it, APRS is switched off in UK airspace and only the UHF transmitter is running, thats in contestina mode
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[15:27] <astrobiologist> OZ1SKY-Brian: the switchover to 434.5 10mW APRS is imminent, but weirdly I got a decode at 13:52
[15:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> The APRS switch freq from region1 to region2 at 30deg west
[15:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but they are both VHF
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[15:28] <Boelle_DK> what is current freq on b64?
[15:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Region1 APRS is at 144.390 MHz and Region2 on 144.800
[15:28] <Boelle_DK> moved from mac to win
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[15:29] <astrobiologist> I listened on 144.8 overnight but didn't hear anything. I switched to 434.5 this morning and began to pick up transmissions
[15:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> astrobiologist ive never seen or heard about any B-xx flights that had APRS on UHF.
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[15:31] <astrobiologist> 0Z1SKY_Brian: ask Leo himself, he just said the switchover I'd about to occur :-)
[15:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> But i surely could be wrong, but normaly APRS is run at 144.390 and 144.800 depending on what region it is in and 434.500 is run lately in contestia mode.
[15:31] <N2NXZ> Congrats on b-64!!!
[15:31] <jiffe98> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/ says 434.500MHz USB Contestia 64/1000 ?
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[15:32] <mfa298> OZ1SKY_Brian: it's running APRS on 434.500 when over places that dont allow it normally when airborne (so over UK and france)
[15:32] <Boelle_DK> yep but it can drift
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[15:33] <Laurenceb_> less than a degree to go
[15:33] <astrobiologist> mfa298: Leo says it will switch over to 434.5 APRS soon but I decoded an aprs packet from B64, on 434.5Mhz, at 13:52 BST
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[15:36] <Boelle_DK> is freq excatly 434.500 for b64?
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[15:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sri got discon
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[15:36] <craag_philcrump> Boelle_DK: Yes
[15:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> RSID: <<2014-07-31T15:36Z Contestia @ 434498205+0995>>
[15:38] <astrobiologist> LeoBodnar: How is B-64 geofenced? is it detecting the 12 mile limit as a true curved surface etc?
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[15:38] <on4bhm> what is the freq agn for B64?
[15:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> RSID: <<2014-07-31T15:36Z Contestia @ 434498205+0995>>
[15:39] <Lunar_Lander> what is the speed of B-64 roundabout?
[15:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 83Km/Hr
[15:39] <Boelle_DK> oki... using sdr sharp now to tune....
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[15:40] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[15:40] <Boelle_DK> there are a VERY strong signal at 434399
[15:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Just crossed the B-63 out path ...
[15:40] <tweetBot> @thecraag: B-64 Round-the-World HAB now audible on the SUWS Websdr! http://t.co/CFG5gT8JvN #hamr #hamradio #ukhas
[15:40] <Lunar_Lander> Portsmouth it seems to be then
[15:41] <Boelle_DK> shower dinner...
[15:41] <Boelle_DK> but
[15:41] <Lunar_Lander> and landfall in Brighton
[15:41] <Boelle_DK> ie in sdr sharp i tune and for now i just get a hell lot of nouse
[15:41] <Boelle_DK> can i make do without any virtual cable etc if i select right input in dl-fldigi?
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[15:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Boelle_DK, That is to be expected your in an ISM band with a short length of wire for an aerial!
[15:43] <Boelle_DK> ½ whip
[15:43] <Boelle_DK> wave
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[15:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Boelle_DK your way outside the footprint of B-64
[15:44] <Boelle_DK> i know... i only asked if i had the setup right
[15:44] <craag_philcrump> (40, that should be alright)
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[15:45] <jiffe98> squelch on that website doesn't seem to do much..
[15:45] <Boelle_DK> doh... need virtual cable of some kind
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[15:47] <astrobiologist> craag_philcrump: any idea how I got an aprs decode on 434.5 around 2pm? Was B-64 geofenced as it nicked the cornish pernisula?
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[15:47] <Boelle_DK> what is the software to use if going for free options?
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[15:47] <Boelle_DK> ie for virtual cable
[15:48] <SgtBurned> Sooo... All the way round the world 'eh ?
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[15:51] <astrobiologist> am I still up? lost connection for a mo
[15:52] <LeoBodnar> astrobiologist: have you seen " ISM 10mW " in your received APRS message comments?
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[15:53] <LeoBodnar> oh dear, nothing changed then http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=M0XER-4
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[15:53] <astrobiologist> LeoBodnar: I only got the one packet. the comments were garbled.
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[15:54] <es5nhc> Whoa! If only the APRS band was so active here
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[15:56] <astrobiologist> LeoBodnar: I only got the one packet. The ID, destination and WIDE path decoded Ok but the comments were garbled
[15:56] <LeoBodnar> so you didn't see "ISM 10mW" in the garbled comments?
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[15:56] <LeoBodnar> if not then it was on 144.800
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[15:57] <LeoBodnar> you said you have dual-band radio with simultaneous reception?
[15:57] <SgtBurned> I don't think B-64 has enough receivers ;)
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[15:57] <Jess--M0VBR> Sure I'm not the first (far from it) but congrats to Leo for a pair of amazing flights
[15:57] <LeoBodnar> thanks Jess--M0VBR !
[15:57] <PB0NER> LeoBodnar: you have a private message
[15:58] <astrobiologist> LeoBodnar: Yes, but I would swear, swear, to many deities, etc etc, that it was set to only the one band, 434.5Mhz, at the time.
[15:59] <LeoBodnar> did you make a screenshot?
[15:59] <LeoBodnar> or rather do you know exact time?
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[16:02] <astrobiologist> LeoBodnar: here you go: 13:51:36, and the screenshot: *https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt4mDaRIgAAU4bU.png:large
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[16:03] <molo> why does spacenear.us lag my browser so badly?
[16:03] <Lunar_Lander> big number of data points
[16:03] <Upu> something to do with lots of points
[16:04] <Upu> someone sent a balloon around the world
[16:04] <Upu> inconsiderate really
[16:04] <Lunar_Lander> yea like testing during a live flight
[16:04] <Upu> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=B-64;B-63
[16:04] <molo> lol
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[16:05] <es5nhc> lol
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[16:05] <Lunar_Lander> hello Bill
[16:06] <astrobiologist> bother, did I just lose the connection again?
[16:06] <Lunar_Lander> astrobiologist, doesn't look like it
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[16:07] <astrobiologist> Lunar_Lander: thanks, the 3G reception keeps coming and going
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> About to touch civilised land again. Well - if the isle of wight counts.
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> *audience laughter*
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> you are welcome astrobiologist
[16:08] <es5nhc> Longitude: -1.4064
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[16:09] <Lunar_Lander> I remember that John Ackroyd, the designer of the Thrust2 car lived there and in the book about it he recalls that he had to do some trips of varying length to get to a copying machine or a phone box
[16:09] <mattbrejza> typical, its cloudy so no chance of seeing it
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> Reciever is insane. 36?
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[16:09] <on4bhm> LeoB is this a world record?
[16:09] <es5nhc> So, what is the threshold when you can pop the champagne?
[16:10] <mattbrejza> -1.02
[16:10] <Lunar_Lander> on4bhm, YES
[16:10] <es5nhc> thanks
[16:10] <on4bhm> LeoB congrats
[16:10] <Lunar_Lander> ah congratulate him in 20 minutes when the finish line comes :)
[16:10] <on4bhm> LeoB: we will try to compete.... but it will be hard! very hard!
[16:11] <Jess--M0VBR> challenge then will be to try and circumnavigate the planet twice in one flight
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> Well - it's over the UK now :)
[16:11] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[16:11] <on4bhm> LeoB: your 11-12grams is the max!!
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> So by at least one measure...
[16:11] <Lunar_Lander> Jess--M0VBR, do you know the original superpressure balloons of Project GHOST by Vincent Lally?
[16:12] <Lunar_Lander> late 60's roundabout
[16:12] <on4bhm> LeoB: we will be designing our print soon.... first prototype is drawn...
[16:12] <Lunar_Lander> on4bhm, do you want to fly a pico too?
[16:12] <LeoBodnar> what is this over now?
[16:12] <on4bhm> yes, we are in preparation
[16:12] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, Isle of Wight
[16:12] <Lunar_Lander> on4bhm, cool!
[16:12] <on4bhm> on4che is drawing the prints
[16:12] <LeoBodnar> or not? lol
[16:13] <LeoBodnar> what was starting position?
[16:13] <Lunar_Lander> on4bhm, actually earlier it looked like B-64 will come to BE for a final celebration xD
[16:13] <on4bhm> i will do the software
[16:13] <lz1dev> Upu: I suggest http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=B-64;B-63&nyan=1
[16:13] <lz1dev> for this occasion
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> It's looking like it' going to perfectly overlfy G8DHE
[16:13] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:13] <arko> woo!
[16:13] <arko> morning
[16:13] <arko> made it
[16:13] <Lunar_Lander> earlier it looked like it will make landfall in Brighton
[16:13] <Maxell> craag_philcrump: ISM APRS packets audiable, no decodes yet
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:13] <Lunar_Lander> hello arko
[16:14] <arko> yo
[16:14] <Lunar_Lander> arko, for the celebration of the day
[16:14] <on4bhm> it will go into the channel a presume?
[16:14] <LeoBodnar> yo arko
[16:14] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/B-64_201407311714.jpg
[16:14] <arko> yo LeoBodnar :)
[16:14] <Herman-PB0AHX> wow wow wow thats all
[16:14] <arko> who the heck is drawing scribbles over the map?
[16:14] <Lunar_Lander> www.arko.de/suessigkeiten/pfefferminz-bruch-200g.html
[16:14] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[16:15] <Geoff-G8DHE_> No it starts circumnavigation number 2 after this!
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[16:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello mitch!
[16:15] <hackvana> So I heard there's a bit of a party about to happen!
[16:15] <arko> yup
[16:15] <hackvana> Everyone holding their breath
[16:16] <hackvana> This is the most excitement I've had all day.
[16:16] <SgtBurned> hackvana, Been holding it for a while, Gone a bit purple...
[16:16] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, actually my Professor is a big fan of your flights since about B-11
[16:16] <LeoBodnar> my starting location was 52.096 -1.0225
[16:16] <Lunar_Lander> when I gave him the updates of your balloons getting farther and farther
[16:16] <arko> :)
[16:16] <Lunar_Lander> the one reaching Japan was awesome
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> So what - 20 minutes LeoBodnar?
[16:16] <Lunar_Lander> so was the one that got to India
[16:16] Action: SpeedEvil crosses fingers.
[16:17] <Lunar_Lander> 0.2° left
[16:17] <mattbrejza> ism aprs works nicely
[16:18] <hackvana> When does aprs get turned off?
[16:18] <Lunar_Lander> and I remember that I received B-12 from Uni when it was moving across Holland
[16:18] <mattbrejza> uk + france hackvana
[16:18] <mattbrejza> and n. korea
[16:19] <Maxell> M6VXO now doing ISM APRS igating
[16:19] <F1VJQ> hackvana aprs is on FM 434.500 over UK/France
[16:19] <F1VJQ> as well as Contestia on USB
[16:20] <arko> LeoBodnar: we are all watching here at work
[16:20] <Lunar_Lander> about 10 km
[16:20] <F1VJQ> Well that was a quick visit to the Isle of Widgets
[16:21] Action: SpeedEvil wonders where to post 'anyone near brighton with a telescope and a large gun?'
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[16:21] <Geoff-G8DHE_> They have put a heipcopter up heading west from Worthing now!
[16:21] <Lunar_Lander> 0.13°
[16:21] <ve6sar> Congrats on the circumnavigation!
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[16:22] <ve6sar> Any idea how long it's expected to keep going?
[16:22] <Lunar_Lander> every time firefox goes dark, it is good because that means it is updating xD
[16:22] <Maxell> ve6sar: until it pops :)
[16:22] <LeoBodnar> lol is this mic live?
[16:23] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: yes do your announcement now!
[16:23] <astrobiologist> That aprs packet I decoded at 13.51.36... I must admit, it is letter perfect for the one decoded and iGated by MB7UFO at precisely the same time. so either an errant packet went out on 434.5Mhz as well (of course extremely unlikely), or I accidentally switched on 144.8 on my handie on the other channel without noticing it, whilst setting up on the picnic table on st michael's mount. which is pretty weird!!!!
[16:23] <x-f> will there be a press conference?
[16:23] <arko> lol
[16:23] <LeoBodnar> no, nothing to see here :D
[16:23] <Maxell> XD
[16:23] <Lunar_Lander> 0.1°
[16:23] <SpeedEvil> 'We choose to go to Brighton, and do these other things, not because it is easy' ..
[16:23] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Expect some phone calls from the Media, the Weather people have been following it!
[16:24] <Lunar_Lander> 0.08°
[16:24] <garym> sadly can't get a WebSDR to hear it in South Africa the one in Basingstoke just does not want to play, but do have a stiff drink ready for the crossing of the line
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[16:25] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: How does conditions now, compare with conditions when it was last over - and is it at a comparable altitude
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[16:26] <LeoBodnar> same altitude pretty much
[16:26] <arko> which is mind boggling
[16:26] <SgtBurned> Altitude has kept at 12500/12600 pretty accuratly...
[16:26] <SgtBurned> BURN THE WITCH!
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[16:26] <F1VJQ> -1.0225 is in line with the gap between Southsea and Hayling Island....very soon now!!
[16:26] <SgtBurned> But in all seriousness, Congrats Leo
[16:26] <arko> whats interesting is that the altitude is fairely proportional to the latitude
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[16:27] <arko> perhaps difference in ground ir?
[16:27] <arko> who knows
[16:27] <Lunar_Lander> 0.03°
[16:27] <lz1dev> LeoBodnar: -100m from launch
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[16:27] <LeoBodnar> ta Sgt
[16:27] <arko> here we go
[16:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Next one should be the crossing
[16:27] <Miek> aww, it's going right over my home town, shame i'm at the wrong end of the uk right now
[16:28] <LeoBodnar> aprs says it's over!
[16:28] <iain_g4sgx> mazing..
[16:28] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: fuck yeah!!!
[16:28] <Miek> :D
[16:28] <daveake> http://weknowmemes.com/generator/uploads/generated/g1365089101540651822.jpg
[16:28] <adamgreig> good work LeoBodnar!
[16:28] <mattbrejza> -1.032
[16:28] <iain_g4sgx> Well doine Dude..
[16:28] <G8KNN> woop woop
[16:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> Woo Hoo! Well done Leo :D
[16:28] <Herman-PB0AHX> good job Leo
[16:28] <luteijn> Congrats
[16:28] <jededu> Nice one Leo
[16:28] <Maxell> daveake: NO!!
[16:29] <G8KNN> Superb Leo
[16:29] <LeoBodnar> yee haa
[16:29] <G0HDI> Congratulations!
[16:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> Three cheers for Leo - Hip hip!
[16:29] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yes
[16:29] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Huuray
[16:29] <KT5TK> Leo congrats for the first Transatlantic crossing, not to mention the rest...!
[16:29] <G0HDI> Hoorah!
[16:29] <mattbrejza> not there yet guys
[16:29] <arko> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:29] <es5nhc> Congratulations!!!
[16:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hip Hip
[16:29] <F1VJQ> That's it!!! Congratulations LeoBodnar... super flight - well done
[16:29] <LeoBodnar> ta ta ta!
[16:29] <arko> LEO LEO LEO!!!!
[16:29] <SgtBurned> HORRAY
[16:29] <mattbrejza> oh there we go
[16:29] <Lunar_Lander> LEO CONGRATULATIONS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSTivVclQQ0
[16:29] <mattbrejza> lol
[16:29] <JFS1> Brilliant Leo!!!
[16:29] <LeoBodnar> everyone THANKS
[16:29] <ak4rp> congrats!
[16:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hip Hip
[16:29] <arko> -1.0193!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:29] <es5nhc> -1.0193!!
[16:29] <Lunar_Lander> YOU ARE THE CHAMPION MY FRIEND
[16:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hooray! :D
[16:29] <garym> brilliant
[16:29] <Andrew_2E0NRD> WELL DONE!
[16:29] <LeoBodnar> a lot of people tracked it around the globe!
[16:29] <es5nhc> Congratulations againb
[16:29] <lz1dev> LeoBodnar: http://img.pandawhale.com/106048-Wisers-Whiskey-Slow-Clap-Remak-gmul.gif
[16:29] <es5nhc> *again
[16:29] <lz1dev> wp
[16:29] <hackvana> LeoBodnar: congratulations!
[16:29] <mattbrejza> LAP 2
[16:30] <astrobiologist> Sooo - how much further for b64? :-)
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[16:30] <arko> you did it man!
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[16:30] <LeoBodnar> haha arko did I say I was ready to take it on?
[16:30] <mattbrejza> whos making tshirts 'i was there 31 July 2014' for hte conference?
[16:30] <Laurenceb_> crossed
[16:30] <Laurenceb_> congrats
[16:30] <G0HDI> Was that a first circumnavigation for anyone?
[16:30] <arko> take it on?
[16:31] <F1VJQ> That's a good one mattbrejza!!
[16:31] <LeoBodnar> B-64 was already going for it while i was still considering
[16:31] <arko> lol mattbrejza
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[16:31] <LeoBodnar> going RTW
[16:31] <mattbrejza> $$B-64,20674,162750,140731,50.6904,-1.0193,12613,12,7,4.23,0.68*DA9C
[16:31] <mattbrejza> is the line
[16:31] <arko> im so confused
[16:31] <SgtBurned> LeoBodnar does a Transatlantic flight, It's my birthday... I think you did it just for me Leo ;) I know you did. Don't have to admit infront of everyone, You can tell me later ;D
[16:32] <LeoBodnar> we were discussion RTW and jetstream injection
[16:32] <Lunar_Lander> B-64 also actually did the first Transpacific
[16:32] <arko> OH Yeah!!
[16:32] <iain_g4sgx> Love to se the state of the balloon.
[16:32] <arko> LeoBodnar: lol
[16:32] <arko> i cant believe it
[16:32] <LeoBodnar> and B-64 was busy doing it
[16:32] <F1VJQ> must also be the longest duration for a pico
[16:32] <es5nhc> The first transglobal
[16:32] <arko> seriously!
[16:32] <daveake> mattbrejza Shirt for Leo http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTEyMFgxMDA4/z/0J0AAOxyUrZS36T9/$_35.JPG
[16:32] <F1VJQ> Guinness Book of Records anyone?
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[16:32] <arko> you were pondering the thought and B-64 was doing it, brilliant
[16:32] <yo9ict> $$B-64,20675,163017,140731,50.7043,-0.9772,12606,13,6,4.24,0.57*818E
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[16:32] <arko> they can read your mind leo
[16:32] <es5nhc> It's one small circumnavigation for a balloon, a giant leap for mankind
[16:32] <Lunar_Lander> also
[16:33] <Lunar_Lander> it's 15 years after Breitling Orbiter 3 :)
[16:33] <LeoBodnar> B-orbiter
[16:33] <tjanos> good afternoon!
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[16:33] <arko> :)
[16:33] <tjanos> Leo, Congratulations!!! https://sites.google.com/site/mytempterulet/_/rsrc/1406824004512/home/b64a.jpg
[16:33] <hobbycollector> Good morning. K5WL Bill here from Texas.
[16:33] <Lunar_Lander> who would have thought it
[16:33] <hobbycollector> Nice Job.
[16:34] <Lunar_Lander> I think it was First Transpacific, First Pico Transatlantic
[16:34] <Lunar_Lander> RTW
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[16:34] <Lunar_Lander> Endurance also
[16:34] <maxmed> Afternoon everyone, I'm still having issues with my code: https://github.com/Max-Med/New_HAB_Code/blob/master/New_HAB_Code_ino_ino/New_HAB_Code_ino_ino.ino It doesn't transmit anything when it loses it's gps lock and even when left for half an hour in a wide open space it still doesn't get the altitude (just leaves it as 9999999) and the gps_satellites stays at 255.
[16:34] <LeoBodnar> thanks tjanos
[16:34] <astrobiologist> did anybody get a screenshot as it crossed over?
[16:35] <F1VJQ> yes... I think I did!!
[16:35] <Lunar_Lander> well I got one when it was over
[16:35] <Lunar_Lander> It jumped from before the line to after the line
[16:35] <G0HDI> New Years honour's list I reckon.
[16:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> astrobiologist: As near as damit: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt4tu9jCAAEJ9lo.jpg:large
[16:35] <tjanos> we are glad to see your great success! Thank you!
[16:35] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/B-64_201407311730Polar.jpg
[16:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> Great image Geoff-G8DHE_
[16:36] <F1VJQ> screenshot at -1.019 astrobiologist
[16:37] <astrobiologist> Steve_G0TDJ: kicking myself that I was trying to decode the wrong frequency all day! and to get the right one just once, apparently by accident, on a picnic table in a castle on an island in cornwall... and then my daughter's tooth fell out... and a vulcan flew overhead... I mean, obviously it is Leo's day, but it has been pretty f+++ing weird for many of us vicariously :-)
[16:37] <Lunar_Lander> XD!!!!!!
[16:38] <F1VJQ> The next one is crossing its outward path just east of Brighton
[16:38] <Ian_> Sincere congratulations Leo. Well done.
[16:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh dear astrobiologist - I hope tomorrow is less weird! :-)
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[16:38] <gonzo__> congrats!
[16:38] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/B-64_201407311730Lateral.jpg
[16:39] <molo> am I seeing it correctly that the APRS path doubles-back over itself in the last couple hours?
[16:39] <G4BWR_Mark> Congrats Leo
[16:39] <LeoBodnar> thanks guys
[16:39] <craag_philcrump> Congratulations!
[16:40] <molo> LeoBodnar: congrats! is this a first? or a record?
[16:40] <craag_philcrump> Amazing stuff
[16:40] <Lunar_Lander> and again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSTivVclQQ0
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[16:40] <F1VJQ> molo not seeing that here on spacenear
[16:40] <LeoBodnar> molo: some igates delay packets and TX on RF for some reason
[16:40] <molo> LeoBodnar: F1VJQ: okay, thanks guys.
[16:40] <LeoBodnar> it looks like MB7UN was doing it
[16:41] <LeoBodnar> snus sorted that out due to embedded timestamp in each report
[16:41] <astrobiologist> But what about.... B63?
[16:41] <WB8ELK> Congrats Leo !!!!!
[16:41] <LeoBodnar> magic roundabout in Atlantic
[16:42] <LeoBodnar> thanks Bill
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[16:42] <WB8ELK> And back to England to boot..just simply amazing.
[16:43] <LeoBodnar> weather...
[16:43] <WB8ELK> and now for a second lap around the World :-)
[16:43] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[16:44] <SgtBurned> Wonder if you can have a race Leo. Launch about 10... We place bets.
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[16:44] <on4bhm> maxmed: still here?
[16:44] <on4bhm> maxmed i had the same problem
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[16:45] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/B-64-payload.jpg the world flyer!
[16:45] <on4bhm> maxmed: the problem is with the snprintf statement and the combination of float.... this is an arduino bug
[16:45] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/B-64-envelope.jpg
[16:45] <on4bhm> maxmed: look it up on google, you will find work-arround
[16:46] <astrobiologist> Lunar_Lander: ah, so that is the secret, ultrathin paciderm condoms?
[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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[16:47] <on4bhm> is the envelop just a plastic bag?
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[16:48] <astrobiologist> on4bhm: that's not what the girl elephant says
[16:49] <on4bhm> LeoB: are you using 144.800 also for aprs?
[16:49] <on4bhm> astro: eh?
[16:49] <Maxell> on4bhm: not in the UK and France.
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[16:50] <LeoBodnar> yes on4bhm it will resume shortly
[16:50] <Maxell> on4bhm: aprs is on 434.5 MHz FM
[16:50] <Maxell> (above UK and FR)
[16:50] <astrobiologist> on4bhm: I was alluding to the fact that it looks a bit like birth control for tusked animals with trunks. just ignore me
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[16:52] <on4bhm> is leo using 1 tx for the 2 freq.? with 1 antenna? some sort of dual band antenna?
[16:53] <arko> http://isleoflying.com/ is now accurate
[16:53] <arko> :)
[16:53] <SpeedEvil> Congrats!
[16:53] <LeoBodnar> lol arko
[16:55] <on4bhm> LeoB: are u using some kind of dual band antenna?
[16:55] <LeoBodnar> no just 2m dipole
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[16:56] <LeoBodnar> 466 hours (19.4 days)
[16:57] <SpeedEvil> Do you have an easy way of computing the distance travelled?
[16:57] <SpeedEvil> Must be a fair part of 40Mm
[16:57] <astrobiologist> LeoBodnar: It is a longshot but could my confusion over the packet I received have possibly been due to a harmonic? 434.5 is basically exactly x3 of 144.8. And I was very close geographically so could have picked up a weak signal
[16:57] <lz1dev> SpeedEvil: on the mobile tracker you can click on the path
[16:57] <SpeedEvil> lz1dev: I don't think I can.
[16:58] <PE2G> LeoBodnar: Congratulations on this impressive accomplishment!
[16:58] <LeoBodnar> astrobiologist: it might have been possible in theory
[16:58] <LeoBodnar> cheers PE2G
[16:58] <lz1dev> SpeedEvil: why is that?
[16:58] <BullDoger> Damn b-64 near me
[16:59] <on4bhm> LeoB: and u use that also for 434.500?
[16:59] <SpeedEvil> Oh - right - it's flaky
[16:59] <SpeedEvil> Also just passed 30000km
[16:59] <SpeedEvil> Fair chance for 40000km :)
[16:59] <mattbrejza> $$B-64,17,065947,140712,52.0958,-1.0214,203,6,27,4.16,0.51*73CD $$B-64,20674,162750,140731,50.6904,-1.0193,12613,12,7,4.23,0.68*DA9C
[17:00] <astrobiologist> LeoBodnar: I'm just really grateful, as are we all, that we got to hear b64, and to follow it around the world the last few days. I am extra grateful (but confused) that I got to decode a packet as a bonus :-)
[17:00] <arko> how about a nice celebratory B-64 tshirt http://i.imgur.com/IOi2BBr.png
[17:00] <lz1dev> lol
[17:00] <mattbrejza> arko: did you want start and end strings?
[17:01] <arko> ?
[17:01] <arko> you mean $$ and the checksum?
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[17:02] <SpeedEvil> Maybe launch string, and crossing longitude string
[17:02] <arko> ohhhh
[17:02] <arko> i see what you mean mattbrejza
[17:02] <arko> good idea
[17:02] Action: arko needs coffee
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[17:03] <lz1dev> LeoBodnar: how do you feel 10,000km behind IN3ANF ?
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[17:05] <maxmed> on4bhm: thanks for the help, I dont think that is the problem though as I'm not "snprintf"ing any floats am I? I convert them all the strings first?
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[17:07] <astrobiologist_i> hello again, hedging by bets with two devices on IRC in two different rooms due to the dodgy 3G
[17:08] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Quicky Object Movie of the flight so far, better one later http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/Spherical_B-64.html
[17:08] <amell> Ah i missed the magic moment.
[17:08] <amell> Congratulations! Any sign of B-63 yet?
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[17:09] <LeoBodnar> thanks amell
[17:09] <luteijn> maxmed: you're converting floating-point type variablse to string with snprintf, right?
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[17:10] <astrobiologist_i> which M0XER is b63?
[17:10] <arko> m0xer-3
[17:10] <amell> 3
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[17:11] <astrobiologist_i> but no packets from it for a few days now?
[17:12] <mattbrejza> if youre looking at aprs.fi its a bit shit at letting you know youve rx'ed something
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[17:15] <astrobiologist_i> well I'm not going on holiday to Labrador on the offchance. Cornwall was enough!
[17:16] <maxmed> luteijn: I'm converting the floats to strings with dtostrf then I think the snprintf combines all the data into one big string. I don't think snprintf works with floats#
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[17:19] <F1VJQ> B-64 approaching Burgess Hill to cross the outbound track - next fix perhaps?
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[17:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> B-64 signals blowing my windows out here - Very strong
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[17:23] <F1VJQ> crossed the outbound path now... amazing
[17:23] <arko> B-64 just crossed itself!!
[17:23] <DL7AD> yep
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[17:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LeoBodnar Congratulations Leo on a around the world flight. What a fantastic achievement! :-)
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[17:25] <garym> well that makes the round trip for certain congratulations again
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[17:25] <cnelson> don't cross the streams!
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[17:26] <LeoBodnar> cheers OZ1SKY_Brian and thanks for tracking this flying stuff
[17:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> my pleasure
[17:27] <arko> cnelson: lol
[17:27] <JFS1> Looks like B-64 may be heading your way Brian
[17:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> JFS1 yes i hope, would be nice it hear it after all, now that it was gone around the world and i havent heard it yet :-)
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[17:28] <cnelson> shoot it down and retrieve it, belongs in a museam
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[17:28] <JFS1> Not often there's a chance to receive packets 2.5 weeks apart!
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[17:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> JFS1 no thats for sure
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[17:31] <JFS1> Just crossed the Prime meridian...again
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[17:32] <arko> cnelson: maybe the second time around :P
[17:33] <arko> i was saying, if it is recovered, it needs to be in a glass jar at ukhas conf
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[17:33] <ryan_turner|MTW> what're the contents of the 434.5 contestia tx on B-64?
[17:33] <daveake> arko I agree. More likely for 2015 though!
[17:34] <arko> lol
[17:34] <arko> i really hope that we do see where it lands and someone recovers it
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[17:34] <arko> doesnt look like its happning anytime soon..
[17:34] <astrobiologist-i> ryan_turner|MTX: I had wondered that, is the contestia tx the same as the aprs?
[17:35] <JFS1> With just a bit more wind it might complete lap 2 during the UKHAS conference
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[17:35] <arko> :D
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[17:35] <arko> i hope to be in the uk when it does
[17:36] <arko> maybe i can finally hear a B
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[17:37] <astrobiologist-i> arko: what is ur qtha.
[17:37] <astrobiologist-i> qth even?
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[17:37] <mattbrejza> 'MERICA
[17:37] <arko> is that ham talk?
[17:37] <arko> i forget
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[17:38] <Ian_> Spoken like a true ham . . .
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[17:38] <arko> im terrible with that stuff, i know 73
[17:38] <LeoBodnar> hamish paradise
[17:38] <arko> thats about it
[17:39] <astrobiologist-i> where in hamerica?
[17:39] <arko> been transmitting most my life, living in a hamish paradise
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[17:39] <arko> astrobiologist: los angeles
[17:39] <LeoBodnar> arko:
[17:39] <arko> yo
[17:39] <LeoBodnar> astrobiologist-i: http://leobodnar.com/balloons/files/B-63-QRM.png
[17:39] <LeoBodnar> undo
[17:40] <arko> ?
[17:40] <LeoBodnar> unarko:
[17:40] <arko> lol
[17:40] <arko> kk
[17:40] <LeoBodnar> astrobiologist-i: it is the same apart from the sequence counter overflows in APRS telemetry after 8196 counts
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[17:41] <LeoBodnar> 8192 even
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[17:41] <qyx__> LeoBodnar: is that PE?
[17:41] <astrobiologist-i> LeoBodnar: I was just wondering whether PocketPacket can decode Contestia as a hidden feature
[17:42] <LeoBodnar> that would be cool
[17:42] <tweetBot> @m0zpk: Question for ukhas ? How is m0xer using 2m aprs in a balloon ? Its against the licence conditions ? Whats the setup ? #ukhas
[17:42] <Laurenceb_> lol
[17:42] <Laurenceb_> HAM nazis arrive
[17:42] <astrobiologist-i> I have bugged the guy who wrote PocketPacket enough recently but will ask him when next he replies to my Qs.
[17:43] <tweetBot> @cntest: #ukhas trololololo?
[17:43] <Laurenceb_> rofl
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[17:43] <astrobiologist-i> If PocketPacket is decoding Contestia then that would be the other explanation as to why I got that decoded packet at 13:51
[17:44] <LeoBodnar> here we go...
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[17:46] <astrobiologist-i> do I take it that you think I obsessing about it? ;-)
[17:47] <LeoBodnar> no, that was re m0zpk comment
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[17:47] <arko> hams like to get there jimmies russled
[17:47] <mattbrejza> so, could either reply and tell him aprs 2m is off, or let other hams see and get pissed at the disregard for the licence conditions
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[17:48] <astrobiologist-i> I think 10mW APRS is pretty cool actually.
[17:49] <Ian_> Maxmed: if this is you http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=258211.0 then what happens if you declare things to be bigger and then trim your string result?
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[17:49] <astrobiologist-i> APRS is so swamped... too many people with colinears transmitting every 25w etc....
[17:49] <Ian_> Maxmed: would that help?
[17:50] <astrobiologist-i> I say let's do 10mW APRS more often, people seem to be tracking B-64 OK
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[17:51] <mattbrejza> AFSK is good as a mode because you dont need to retune the radio etc, but the performance isnt as good as FSK
[17:51] <DL7AD> ping LeoBodnar
[17:51] <mattbrejza> so its not quite useable inside a chasecar, which is when it would be most useful
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[17:52] <DL1SGP> moin Sven :)
[17:52] <DL7AD> hi felix
[17:53] <Boelle_DK> b64 was 434 and then what?
[17:53] <Boelle_DK> not 500
[17:53] <DL7AD> 434.500
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[17:53] <Boelle_DK> it has drifted slight and had to reboot pc to get virtual audio to work
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[17:54] <Boelle_DK> and are dl.fldigi able to control sdr#
[17:54] <Boelle_DK> ?
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[17:54] <astrobiologist-i> mattbrejza: actually I only recommend RTTY and turboHAB since that is what I can use on my Blackberry courtesy of a certain awesome Android app!
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[17:57] <Boelle_DK> DL7AD: 434.500 is what radio is set to... but it drifts
[17:57] <Boelle_DK> i cant remember the right number
[17:57] <astrobiologist-i> Here's a question: I have had good fun playing with my Kenwood TH- F7E and homemade cable. But plugging in the cable mutes the audio from the handheld. How can I splice in a set of earphones?
[17:57] <Boelle_DK> think it 200 something
[17:58] <Boelle_DK> astrobiologist: its a switch inside the kenwood that disables the speaker
[17:58] <astrobiologist-i> presumably my ipad or laptop or whatever is expecting an 8 ohm audio connection
[17:58] <Boelle_DK> if you are bold you can open it up and change the way it works
[17:58] <astrobiologist-i> so just attaching another speaker or earphone in parallel would end up with only 4 ohms
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[17:59] <Boelle_DK> hmm
[17:59] <astrobiologist-i> do I need to use an optoisolator or something to give two 8 ohm outputs?
[17:59] <Boelle_DK> not if you attach that extra speaker to the home made cable
[18:00] <astrobiologist-i> I would prefer to listen to whatever the iPad or laptop etc is hearing
[18:00] <Boelle_DK> the internal speaker are disabled
[18:00] <tweetBot> @stratodean: Congratulations Leo Bodnar - Party Balloon HAB B-64 circumnavigates entire northern hemisphere! http://t.co/Y9qApvteTk #hab #ukhas
[18:00] <Boelle_DK> ahh....
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[18:00] <Boelle_DK> then you can put on speakers on the laptop
[18:00] <Boelle_DK> there is a setting to enable to put the input to the speakers
[18:01] <astrobiologist-i> can dl-fldigi replay the audio like that?
[18:01] <astrobiologist-i> actually Matt's android app has an audio Echo too
[18:01] <astrobiologist-i> but no way to replay the audio on my iPad
[18:02] <Boelle_DK> nono... if windows then in sound settings
[18:02] <Boelle_DK> recording tab...
[18:02] <astrobiologist-i> for instance, pocketpacket uses both the audio in and audio out lines - it is basically a TNC
[18:02] <Boelle_DK> then the listen tab....
[18:03] <Boelle_DK> enables you to listen to what comes in
[18:03] <astrobiologist-i> I wish I could hear what it hears, or outputs, but basically since the iPad speaker is muted (since the audio out line is used), and the Kendwood speaker is muted, the whole thing is silent
[18:04] <astrobiologist-i> OK, thanks, so I have a "listen in" solution in software then for Windows and the android app, but what about the iPad any anything else when you want to listen in in hardware?
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[18:05] <astrobiologist-i> ah do I just add a 4 ohm resistor in series?
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[18:05] <Boelle_DK> not an ipoad owner... and just gave up using a mac for this
[18:06] <astrobiologist-i> it's ipad and macbooks for me I'm afraid... so would like to sort it out somehow
[18:06] <Boelle_DK> aahhhh
[18:06] <Boelle_DK> you use a normal ham radio right?
[18:07] <Boelle_DK> of course
[18:07] <astrobiologist-i> with 4 ohms in series then the worse than can happens, it seems to me, is that of only one audio device is used, not two, then it is 12 ohms altogether and it would just seem a bit quiet
[18:07] <Boelle_DK> stupid me....
[18:07] <astrobiologist-i> kenwood th-f7e is normal radio yes, not SDR etc
[18:08] <Boelle_DK> and yes ipad disables the speakers once you insert the cable... becuase its thinks its earphones
[18:08] <Boelle_DK> the the jack for the ipad 4 rings or 3 ?
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[18:09] <astrobiologist-i> Boelle_DK: possibly the definition of stupid is listening out for b64 aprs on the wrong frequency
[18:09] <Boelle_DK> it needs to be 4... but i assume you have that right
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[18:10] <astrobiologist-i> it is 4 rings, but I have a breakout cable to 2 3.5mm jacks for mic and earphone to keep things saner and allow me to use the same cable for laptops etc
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[18:11] <Boelle_DK> i dont think it will be an issue if you attach an speaker on the same line that goes to ipad input
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[18:11] <luteijn> Try putting something in parallel and see if it 'just works'.
[18:11] <astrobiologist-i> but won't the impedance be wrong? 4ohms not 8?
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[18:12] <luteijn> it's made for Joe Average, who is bound to try one of those splitter blocks to have a friend listen in.
[18:12] <astrobiologist-i> I thought maybe one ear for the audio in and one ear for the audio out
[18:13] <luteijn> if program is outputting stereo you could try that, but could also be just on left channel..
[18:13] <Boelle_DK> you wont fry anything by it
[18:14] <astrobiologist-i> I am using a mono jack into the Ipad
[18:14] <Boelle_DK> you said before 4 rings
[18:14] <luteijn> that might actually fry something, if it shorts onechannel to ground.
[18:14] <Boelle_DK> that is not mono
[18:14] <Boelle_DK> that is stereo at least
[18:15] <luteijn> probably microphone of ipad is mono, and speaker of radio too though.
[18:15] <Boelle_DK> yep
[18:15] <Boelle_DK> that is more like it
[18:16] <astrobiologist-i> no no, I mean a mono jack into the stereo jack of the breakout cable I have
[18:16] <Boelle_DK> oki :-D
[18:16] <astrobiologist-i> I have a 4 way to 2 3.5mm jack cable
[18:16] <Boelle_DK> but you will not destroy anything by a speaker in parallel
[18:16] <astrobiologist-i> OK will give it a go, thanks guys
[18:16] <PE2G> PE1CME: Any reception yet?
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[18:17] <astrobiologist-i> need to go now. awesome responsibility - need to get fish and chips for all
[18:17] <astrobiologist-i> in the house I mean, not entire ukhas
[18:18] <astrobiologist-i> bye for now
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[18:18] <luteijn> PE2G I can hear the tones of the contestia transmission, but dl-fldigi doesn't decode them yet. (QTH Den Haag)
[18:18] <PE1CME> Hi, no reception yet
[18:18] <Boelle_DK> i have an issue here i think...
[18:19] <Boelle_DK> i have only enabled contestia under id's
[18:19] <Boelle_DK> but dl-fldigi says dom16x
[18:19] <Boelle_DK> domex 16
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[18:19] <luteijn> from what I understand it can't autoconfig contestia, so you pick it by hand from the Op Mode menu
[18:20] <PE2G> PE1CME and luteijn: Tnx for the info. Nothing here yet.
[18:20] <luteijn> and it should then say CTSTIA 64/1000 in the lower left corner status display
[18:20] <Boelle_DK> that is the problem
[18:20] <Boelle_DK> it says domx16
[18:20] <luteijn> PE2G RSIDs work since 17:57 zulu here.
[18:21] <PE2G> luteijn: Roger, nothing on the waterfall here yet
[18:21] <luteijn> Before RSID: <<2014-07-31T18:20Z Contestia @ 434500000+2118>> just finished that cycle now
[18:22] <luteijn> Boelle: if you open the Op Mode menu, can you pick Contestia there then?
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[18:22] <Boelle_DK> configure----id's----receive modes....
[18:22] <Boelle_DK> yes there i can
[18:23] <Boelle_DK> and have done so
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[18:23] <Boelle_DK> aaaaaahhhhh
[18:23] <luteijn> then the status should change and the red bar of the cursor should be 1000 Hz wide..
[18:23] <Boelle_DK> found it
[18:23] <Boelle_DK> wrong menu
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[18:24] <Boelle_DK> diamond at lower right is also green....
[18:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> Boelle_DK: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26543754/dl.JPG
[18:25] <Boelle_DK> now just have to wait for it to come closer
[18:25] <Boelle_DK> SA6BSS-Mike: yep found that menu... i was looking at wrong place
[18:25] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
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[18:26] <myself> question about the spacenear.us tracker: When I mouse over the recent track, I get a bunch of lines showing all the stations that received that packet. But when I tried the same thing over Seattle, for instance, I don't get those lines. Why?
[18:26] <Boelle_DK> but might have tuned to a wrong signal
[18:27] <Boelle_DK> 434.682680
[18:27] <Ian_> Boelle_DK tune lower to move the receive window into the middle of the receiver passband. Audio response at 1Hz aint gonna be great. 1001Hz OK
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[18:28] <PE2G> PE1CME: I have traces on the waterfall on 434.501.6 now. I was tuning too low.
[18:28] <arko> http://www.nasa.gov/press/2014/july/nasa-announces-mars-2020-rover-payload-to-explore-the-red-planet-as-never-before/#.U9qKvmMvBHd
[18:29] <mikestir> myself: it doesn't show lines if the data came in on APRS, which presumably was the case over most of the US/Canada
[18:29] <luteijn> I can hear the bips, what I think is aprs and the contestia at 434.501 + 1100ish
[18:29] <Boelle_DK> Ian_: might be dumb but tune lower where? in sdr# i dont have the tuned freq in the middle
[18:29] <myself> mikestir: Oh, that would explain it. I guess I don't have any idea how the contestia packets get reported.
[18:29] <PE2G> First greens at 400 km -0.0 deg
[18:30] <mikestir> the contestia packets get reported directly into habhub by dl-fldigi
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[18:30] <PE1CME> i was also tuning around 434.498 PE2G
[18:31] <Boelle_DK> Ian_: ??
[18:31] <myself> oooh gotcha, thanks
[18:31] <PE2G> PE1CME: Ptity, we could have had it earlier I think
[18:31] <PE2G> *Pitty
[18:31] <myself> Okay, so is it time to edit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circumnavigations ? :)
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[18:31] <lz1dev> myself: the lines are only for listeners using dl-fldigi, the lines over seattle are via APRS
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[18:32] <Ian_> Boelle_DK: If you add the receiver tuned frequency to the frequency in the dl_fldigi waterfall, you get the actual frequency. If you tune your receiver 0.5kHz lower then the signal in the waterfall will appear 0.5kHz higher. Do you understand that?
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[18:32] <PE1CME> i don't receive anything yet PE2G
[18:32] <Boelle_DK> ahhh yes
[18:33] <luteijn> grr. :( is decoded fine, but not the actual transmission...
[18:33] <arko> look at all those towers in the uk
[18:33] <Boelle_DK> can anyone tell me what 434682680 is damm powerfull
[18:34] <PE2G> PE1CME: I have it on 434.501.6 cursor freq 1400 Hz
[18:34] <PE1CME> ok, thanks
[18:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Boelle_DK 434.600 > 434.985.5 is a hamradio repeater output in Denmark
[18:34] <Boelle_DK> ahh
[18:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sorry, 434.600 > 434.987.5
[18:35] <Boelle_DK> daah, free laughs on me
[18:35] <Ian_> Boelle_DK: Good, once you have that grasped then you will be able to put the receive signal where you want it in your rx passband. I think that the wanted signal should probably be centred at about 1.5kHz in your waterfall. Perhaps someone else can confirm that as a preferred tuning point.
[18:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Boelle_DK repeater map here http://www.d-star4all.dk/dstar4all_repmap_frame.html
[18:35] <Ian_> Boelle_DK: no laughing, a lot to take in between new modes APRS et al.
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[18:36] <Boelle_DK> OZ1SKY_Brian: hmm seems like a repeater in sweden,
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[18:37] <marcel_> congrats B-64
[18:37] <myself> BTW, you can get receiver information from APRS via http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=13&call=a%2FM0XER-4&timerange=604800&tail=604800
[18:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Boelle_DK could be. Repeaters are placed high
[18:37] <Boelle_DK> anyways....
[18:38] <Boelle_DK> b-64 wait wait wait
[18:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Boelle_DK let me check the freq
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[18:39] <Boelle_DK> 434500 if not drifted
[18:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Boelle_DK not hearing anything around 434682680
[18:40] <mikestir> Boelle_DK: are you using an rtlsdr?
[18:40] <Boelle_DK> mikestir: yes
[18:40] <mikestir> have you calibrated the frequency offset?
[18:40] <tweetBot> @Project_HAB: Leo Bodnar's round the world #HAB comes home: http://t.co/PKi92kMGk2 [Animated GIF] #hamr #ukhas
[18:41] <g0azs> FWIW I have 434.50188 dial for 1500hz audio
[18:41] <Boelle_DK> no... the guides do not mention it
[18:41] <mikestir> using gqrx?
[18:41] <Boelle_DK> sdr#
[18:41] <Boelle_DK> windows
[18:41] <mikestir> somewhere there will be a way of setting a ppm offset
[18:41] Nick change: ReadError_ -> ReadError
[18:42] <mikestir> you should find something of known frequency, tune to the nominal frequency and adjust the offset ppm until the signal is correctly centred
[18:42] <mikestir> they can be quite badly off frequency if you don't do that
[18:43] <mikestir> ideally you want a narrowband signal - I used to use the ATIS at the local airport
[18:43] <Geoff-G8DHE_> OK a slightly more visuall Object Movie of the B-64 circumnavigation http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/Spherical_B-64_50.html
[18:43] <mikestir> not doing the cal won't affect your receive performance, but the frequency you read will be off
[18:43] <Ron_G8FJG> aprs switched to 144.8mhz?
[18:44] <PE2G> Record balloon at 383 km: http://s22.postimg.org/bhy0buia9/Screen_31_07_14_20_41_52.png
[18:44] <Boelle_DK> yep, was thinking of a FM station
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[18:45] <amell> cant find B-64 anywhere. All i can think is that its been raining here, and the roof is wet. aerial in loft.
[18:45] <mikestir> Boelle_DK: broadcast fm not so ideal because it's a very wide signal so it's hard to pinpoint the carrier
[18:46] <mikestir> you might have some success with a classical music or talk station but even then it is still modulated with the MPX pilot tone and RDS
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[18:48] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: HAB UPDATE: B-46 circumnavigation flight Object Movie of the entire flight path http://t.co/66NANsjp9m #ukhas #hab #hamr
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[18:49] <LeoBodnar> B-64 APRS is back on 144.800
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[18:51] <dieter_> which transmitter ic/module does B-64 use?
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[18:53] <LeoBodnar> Si4060
[18:54] <yo9ict> From what supplier Leo ?
[18:54] <PE2G> Thanks for the movie, Geoff-G8DHE !
[18:54] <dieter_> thank you
[18:55] <dieter_> you also know the gps module? seems to be very tiny
[18:57] <LeoBodnar> MAX-7 From Upu's shop HABs'/'Us
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[18:58] <Boelle_DK> what should i set bandwidth to in sdr# ?
[18:58] <dieter_> amazing
[18:58] <Boelle_DK> 1500 ?
[19:00] <Maxell> Boelle_DK: more like 3000 or so
[19:00] <Maxell> more wont hurt
[19:00] <Maxell> less will
[19:00] <Boelle_DK> ok
[19:00] <mfa298> for ssb usually about 3khz although dl-fldigi can be configured to look at 4khz of bandwidth
[19:00] <Geoff-G8DHE_> PE2G, No problems I'll try a low level view of the path later not sure how well it will visualise however ...
[19:00] <mrShrimp> What's the change from MAX-6 to MAX-7?
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[19:01] <mikestir> lower power
[19:01] <myself> each generation is generally lower power, lower-signal tracking ability, etc.
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[19:01] <myself> more parallel channels, faster acquisition maybe. It's in the release announcements.
[19:01] <PE2G> Geoff-G8DHE: Cool, would like to see that :)
[19:02] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yup, but it will take some time not sure how well it will work !
[19:02] <PE2G> OK
[19:03] <N2NXZ> Listening on Global tuners Breda, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands RX...where on waterfall will it be on 434.500?I see odd noise @ 2200hz
[19:05] <PE2G> N2NXZ: Data now
[19:06] <PE1CME> PE2G: i received my first line now
[19:07] <N2NXZ> Whatever I am hearing,it is getting stronger,no data from it yet
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[19:07] <luteijn> N2NXZ: 434.500 + 2200 looks about right.
[19:07] <PE2G> PE1CME: Reception will become better in the coming hours
[19:08] <PE1CME> PE2G: i hope so, because i have some problems with my antenna rotator
[19:08] <PE2G> Ah
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[19:09] <Reb-SM0ULC> Boelle_DK: use a local pager-fq. usually very correct.
[19:09] <N2NXZ> Thats it alright,kinda wavering whistle then data?
[19:09] <PE1CME> I'm using an indoor antenna on this moment, because i don't have a rotator now and can't turn my antenna
[19:11] <Boelle_DK> Reb-SM0ULC: local pager what?
[19:11] <PE2G> PE1CME: That explains a lot
[19:12] <lbm> APRS atm.?
[19:12] <Boelle_DK> i have selected USB under radio...
[19:12] <PE1CME> PE2G: i have to repair my rotator, maybe next week it's back on the roof
[19:13] <Boelle_DK> i have filter options too.... Set to hamming currently
[19:13] <PE2G> PE1CME: OK, I understand.
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[19:15] <luteijn> Finally two greens after fiddling around with settings :)
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[19:15] <sp6ryd> hi for all
[19:15] <Reb-SM0ULC> Boelle_DK: pager frequecy like pocsag/ermes/etc
[19:16] <Boelle_DK> ah
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[19:16] <Reb-SM0ULC> Boelle_DK: "standard" dongle is 50ish ppm off. mine differs from 30-100, but about 50 as average
[19:17] <Boelle_DK> well i just have to wait now ... far from in range
[19:17] <sp6ryd> Congratulaton Leo, We are waiting in SP to hear B-64 on his second pass :)
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[19:19] <es5nhc> About APRS and identification when out of home... I take there is no ability to add stroke type callsigns in APRS?
[19:19] <Reb-SM0ULC> sp6ryd: i'm aligning fl-digi via websdr :)
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[19:19] <b0tz> wow, this is a payload for one of the balloons? http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/B-64-payload.jpg so small!
[19:19] <PE2G> PE1CME: You're doing well on the indoor antenna
[19:20] <es5nhc> I have been googling a bit, and mostly I've found that the proper ID then be given in comments. Maybe that'll keep the naysayers happy
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[19:20] <Maxell> es5nhc: there are "SSIDS" basicly 1 to 14 you can add for different stations/meanings
[19:20] <PE1CME> PE2G: yes, but signal is very weak
[19:20] <Maxell> For example -9 would e the car, -11 for ballons, -8 for boats etc
[19:20] <es5nhc> I see... so you can't e.g have SSID e.g ES5NHC/7-9 or so
[19:20] <PE1CME> PE2G: it's a 10 element vertical
[19:21] <es5nhc> Frankly, I do think APRS could be a tad minefield that might invite the haters
[19:21] <es5nhc> and pedants
[19:21] <PE1CME> PE2G: s/n = -11 db
[19:21] <jaymzx> I do hope it makes another pass over Seattle or at least I can be somewhere within its footprint.
[19:21] <b0tz> to someone who is interested in getting into APRS and just bought a APRS equipped HT.. hy is that?
[19:22] <jaymzx> I'd like to try to decode some tele.
[19:22] <PE2G> PE1CME: OK, nice. Contestia is your friend with weak signals :)
[19:22] <b0tz> @ es5nhc. and me too jay :O w
[19:22] <es5nhc> That said, when I've used APRS while mobile, I've sent packets through APRS-IS so no RF involved :P
[19:23] <b0tz> I am looking on the tracker page, is there any way to get an ETA on when it might be over the seattle area?
[19:23] <b0tz> I know can't predict global winds
[19:23] <b0tz> but yaeh
[19:23] <jaymzx> I would look at the last pass and +- a few days
[19:23] <b0tz> ah
[19:24] <PE1CME> PE2G: i must let the dog out, HI
[19:24] <jaymzx> I don't know enough to pontificate on the subject.
[19:24] <PE1CME> brb
[19:24] <PE2G> PE1CME: :)
[19:27] <N2NXZ> Auto config does not properly set B-64 on fldigi?
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[19:27] <N2NXZ> Seems I had to set it manually
[19:28] <luteijn> correct, it can't be coded for as far as I understand
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[19:34] <es5nhc> So... how's the party night, any media enquiries yet?
[19:35] <LeoBodnar> dealing with complaints atm
[19:35] <es5nhc> Ouch
[19:36] <lz1dev> ham ops?
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[19:37] <es5nhc> Yeah, hams?
[19:38] <Upu> a few by the book people
[19:38] <astrobiologist_i> this b-64 thingie needs to get a move on. It's been in the air for weeks and hasn't got further than the north sea, tsk!
[19:38] <es5nhc> hahahaha
[19:38] <Upu> technically leo should be using prefixes to indicate which country he is working out of
[19:39] <jaymzx> astrobiologist_i: It needs to get a job or something
[19:39] <Upu> but a) APRS has no provision b) its flipping obvious
[19:39] <es5nhc> But on APRS this can only be accomplished by what... on comment field?
[19:39] <es5nhc> Maybe something to account for on upcoming missions.
[19:40] <astrobiologist_i> Nigel Farage was made uncomfortable on a train to kent because he listened to B-64's comment field and it wasn't in English
[19:40] <Upu> waste back log space on appeasing some anally retentive rule jockey ?
[19:40] <es5nhc> LOL astrobiologist_i
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[19:40] <es5nhc> Well, who knows these rule jockeys would not be calling Ofcom next...? But I agree, these Ned Flanderses are nasty
[19:41] <astrobiologist_i> did Leo make the news?
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[19:41] <daveake> I think I'd be filling the comment field with messages to the anally retentive rule jockey
[19:41] <Upu> Can you imagione
[19:41] <Upu> "Hi is that OFCOM" "Leo he break the rules"
[19:41] <lz1dev> that would a be a good laugh
[19:42] <lz1dev> "hello hello... ofcom are you there?"
[19:42] <Andrew_2E0NRD> my understanding is Ofcom only deal with anything over the Uk.. elsewhere it is up to that country
[19:42] <Upu> "he flies round the world adhere to all local regulations transmitting his location but doesn't indicate which country he's in"
[19:42] <daveake> except for the gps coords
[19:42] <Upu> adhering
[19:42] <astrobiologist_i> easy then, transmit just on ISM freqs?
[19:43] <es5nhc> Which parts of the world have ISM?
[19:43] <astrobiologist_i> es5nhc: ohhhh ur good
[19:43] <Boelle_DK> why not just claim its a bug in firmware?
[19:43] <Boelle_DK> :-D
[19:43] <es5nhc> I am reading that ISM is only in Region 1
[19:43] <es5nhc> :D
[19:44] <astrobiologist_i> back after a cup of coffee
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[19:44] <es5nhc> Anyways, should B64 fly over here I'll gladly attempt to receive it(provided I am not doing a field day contest at the time), and no, I will not tell TJA
[19:44] <es5nhc> TJA = Estonia's Ofcom :D
[19:44] <Boelle_DK> what does green circle mean on map?
[19:46] <lz1dev> ~5 degree horizon
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[19:47] <jcoxon> hehe it flew over my house
[19:47] <mfa298> es5nhc: most parts of the world have some sort of ISM but the allocations are different in different places - Roughly based on ITU Regions
[19:47] <es5nhc> Yeah, I meant 70 cm. Sorry
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[19:47] <es5nhc> 70 cm ISM band is Region 1 only.
[19:48] <mfa298> I think 70cm ISM is Region 1 only although some other places might have something similar
[19:48] <Boelle_DK> lz1dev: ok
[19:48] <mfa298> and for places covered under cept you can use AR if the local rules allow it
[19:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> es5nhc you need to go to KO18 and activate it for me on 6m, last missing in ES :-)
[19:49] <es5nhc> Hahaha :D Staying in KO38FD this time
[19:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> bbbbuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh :-)
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[19:49] <es5nhc> Would go to KO37MO, but family scheduling QRM, so will be doing at home
[19:49] <es5nhc> Oh, and FM only
[19:50] <Reb-SM0ULC> LeoBodnar: aprs?
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[19:53] <es5nhc> But yeah, love what you're doing, and all the innovation, e.g SSDV
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[19:57] <amell> was B-63 supposed to be here by now?
[19:57] <tweetBot> @AKA2112: Radio amateur's 434 MHz #partyballoon B-64 completes journey around world and is still flying http://t.co/tO3W2Tia5S #ukhas #hamradio #hamr
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[19:58] <es5nhc> Tweetbot posts everything tweeted under #ukhas?
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[20:00] <mfa298> anything with #ukhas in although it may filter out retweets
[20:01] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: Congratulations to Leo Bodnar M0XER on a remarkable achievement with #partyballoon B-64 http://t.co/R7vcfGrYLV #ukhas #amast #hamradio #hamr
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[20:02] <lz1dev> amell: it might showup either tomorrow or in a week
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[20:04] <amell> its not really a party balloon is it? looks more like a transparent bin liner.
[20:04] <PE2BZ_Linux> B-64 3 KHz down now ?
[20:04] <daveake> you obviously go to the wrong parties :/
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:04] <PE2BZ_Linux> 434.496.7 over here. Started at 434.499.86 this afternoon
[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> what was the link again to display only B-64 on the tracker?
[20:05] <PD1JFB> also here 434.497 +-
[20:05] <PE2G> PE2BZ_Linux: Yes, it's drifting down
[20:06] <PE2BZ_Linux> BAttery Empty Error ?
[20:06] <Geoff-G8DHE_> My last RSID RSID: <<2014-07-31T19:52Z Contestia @ 434498029+1000>>
[20:06] <LeoBodnar> i suspect B-64 has been missing Contestia quite a bit!
[20:06] <amell> Id like to sniff the gas in B-64 - bet it doesnt smell like helium any more.
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[20:06] <amell> mouldy socks? :)
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[20:07] <Upu> Helium is odourless
[20:07] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah just found it yes dropped quite alot!
[20:07] <amell> sure, but dont you think there would be significant amounts of crap on the envelope?
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[20:07] <amell> and bacterial growth inside.
[20:07] <Upu> doubt it
[20:08] <Upu> not at those temps
[20:08] <amell> fair point.
[20:08] <Upu> I'd be interested to see it
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[20:08] <PD1JFB> what is $$B-64,20795,200450,140731,52.0072,2.7139,12461,12,-41,3.85,0.22U:AN+ ??
[20:08] <PD1JFB> gps ?
[20:08] <DL1SGP> telemetry
[20:09] <PE2BZ_Linux> 52.0072,2.7139,12461 is North, East and Height
[20:09] <DL1SGP> gps on that transmission would have been 52.0072 N 2.7139 E
[20:10] <Geoff-G8DHE_> and current RSID: <<2014-07-31T20:09Z Contestia @ 434494076+1000>>
[20:10] <DL1SGP> Thanks Geoff-G8DHE_ :)
[20:10] <DL1SGP> will permit me to prepare rig before sleep
[20:10] <Geoff-G8DHE_> dropped 40Khx in 17 Minutes
[20:11] <DL1SGP> that is OK :)
[20:11] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah thats 4KHz not 40!!
[20:12] <DL1SGP> :) that was what I was reading anyhow
[20:12] <PE2BZ_Linux> It drops about 20 Hz per minute. AFC from dl-fldigi can t keep up...
[20:12] <DL1SGP> PE2BZ_Linux: with the rsid it should be no issue, just set it to decode entire band
[20:13] <DL1SGP> or are you getting issues during the decode?
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[20:14] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yes you can see the Pips descending in freq.
[20:14] <PE2BZ_Linux> DL1SGP: I:l give it a try.
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[20:15] <DL1SGP> not able to pick it up here (yet) so hard for me to tell :) but you gonna get there
[20:16] <on4bhm> what is the freq of B-64 for the moment? i lost him
[20:17] <DutchMillbt> 434.495
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[20:18] <PD1JFB> $$B-64,20798,200935,140731,52.0414,2.7921,12456,12,-43,3.77,0.17*B4BF
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[20:19] <N2NXZ> between ? "hz"
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[20:19] <PE2BZ_Linux> DL1SGP: I can not find how to start the RSID
[20:19] <Boelle_DK> i get a helicopter like thing at that freq
[20:19] <DL1SGP> let me grab a link :)
[20:20] <Boelle_DK> and a damm strong signal just next to the freq
[20:20] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[20:20] <DL1SGP> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[20:20] <Geoff-G8DHE_> See the last section
[20:20] <DL1SGP> indeed, thanks Geoff-G8DHE_
[20:20] <PE2BZ_Linux> TnX Both !
[20:23] <Boelle_DK> DutchMillbt: still same freq ? no shift etc?
[20:23] <PE2BZ_Linux> 434.492.4
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[20:24] <PE2BZ_Linux> Before RSID: <<2014-07-31T20:23Z Contestia @ 1324>> $$B-64,20805,(02147,140731,52.1314,LR7C46S1(45+
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[20:25] <PE2BZ_Linux> However, the Pips go down in frequency, the Contestia signal shifts up in frequency.
[20:26] <Boelle_DK> hmm.... i hate to wair
[20:26] <Boelle_DK> wait
[20:27] <DL1SGP> agreed Boelle_DK and god aften :)
[20:28] <Boelle_DK> why did someone not by accident attach a small propeller to B64 :-D
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[20:31] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: EARS Balloon Flight presentation by Abdullah Al-Shackarchi M6SHK + Phil Handley 2E0CZS http://t.co/QMsHQteSAq #ukhas #amsat #hamradio #hamr
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O8NmJMLjwk - this is probably not very safe for work - flying inflated doll
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[20:32] <DL1SGP> Boelle_DK: maybe you can attract it with your vacuum cleaner
[20:32] <Boelle_DK> loool
[20:32] <Boelle_DK> nah using the time to find a arduino project i could copy off....
[20:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LOL
[20:33] <Boelle_DK> need to figure a magnetic card lock system for the local ham club
[20:33] <DL1SGP> haha
[20:33] <Boelle_DK> have the arduino and in the club house there are a few card readers
[20:33] <DL1SGP> why not rfid based?
[20:33] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: VR2Space Virtual Ride to Space presentation video by Tom Harle http://t.co/QMsHQteSAq #ukhas #amsat #hamradio #hamr
[20:33] <DL1SGP> ah :D
[20:33] <Boelle_DK> we use our healt cards
[20:33] <Boelle_DK> it has mag stripe and are uniq
[20:34] <Boelle_DK> and everyone has the card
[20:34] <Boelle_DK> need it when seeing doc etc etc etc
[20:34] Action: DL1SGP thinks of Boelle_DK hacking a magnetic card reader by harvesting an old cassette player
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[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[20:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> was it 434.495.0 for B-64 atm?
[20:40] <Geoff-G8DHE_> LeoBodnar, Your website for the balloons is broken for Tablets and Phones it returns a 404, fine on desktops.
[20:40] <PE2G> Revspace: Are you using any special Ctstia settings to cope with the freq drifting?
[20:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G are you using rxid?
[20:41] <PE2G> Yes
[20:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok
[20:41] <Boelle_DK> 434492400
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[20:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Boelle_DK you hear it?
[20:41] <Boelle_DK> nope
[20:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> whats that freq for then?
[20:42] <DL1SGP> being prepared to get rig started even without coffee
[20:42] <Boelle_DK> i got it from PE2BZ......
[20:43] <Boelle_DK> so it should be arround there
[20:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> it seems abit far off from 434.500, they normaly dont have such a big drift
[20:43] <Boelle_DK> but they say it drifts a lot
[20:43] <PE2G> 434.495.3 cursor 1290 Hz. Drifting up when there's telemetry
[20:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G thanks
[20:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> tuned in now and waiting
[20:44] <PE2G> data now
[20:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i think everyone wants to be a part of this milestone :-)
[20:45] <DL1SGP> oh yeah, else we gonn ahave to wait until it went around northern hemisphere another time :)9
[20:47] <LeoBodnar> thanks Geoff-G8DHE_ i will check!
[20:47] <PE2G> With these ctstia settings, I manage to get the second line green (RxID on): http://s29.postimg.org/l3w178n3r/Screen_31_07_14_22_45_25.png
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[20:48] <DL1SGP> LeoBodnar: B12 returned!
[20:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what!
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[20:48] <DL1SGP> oh wait I do not think it was carrying an IRC client
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[20:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol
[20:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah
[20:49] <es5nhc> lol
[20:49] <DL1SGP> just checking if everyone is fully awake while I am not
[20:49] <LeoBodnar> lol
[20:49] <es5nhc> Has anybody gotten dl-fldigi to compile on Ubuntu's 14.04 flavors?
[20:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> you had me too, lol
[20:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> well B-12 was never seen go down, so everything is possible :-)
[20:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> And even if they go down, they can take off again, we seen that on more then one occasion.
[20:53] <DL1SGP> indeed... go down, get some rest, fly up again and crash into north sea :)
[20:53] <es5nhc> When running configure script for dl-fldigi, this is what I get here on Lubuntu 14.04. ./configure: line 10192: syntax error near unexpected token `CURL,'
[20:53] <es5nhc> ./configure: line 10192: ` PKG_CHECK_MODULES(CURL, libcurl >= 7.10.0, ac_cv_[]curl=yes, ac_cv_[]curl=no)'
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[20:54] <b12> when/where yall think B-64 will come down?
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> when it's done
[20:56] <mikestir> es5nhc: have you tried running autoreconf again first?
[20:56] <b12> guess thats a good enough answer.
[20:56] <Upu> who knows eventually it will leak slowly I guess but its showing no signs yet
[20:56] <es5nhc> Trying...
[20:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> not near me again, like 32. Don´t fancy a midnight chace again into a swamp :-)
[20:58] <DL1SGP> at least no wasps there :D
[20:58] <amell> 434.490? no wonder i couldnt find it! wasnt expecting it to be that far away from 434.LEO
[20:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 30 i mean
[20:58] <es5nhc> alas, same thing. As if there was a snafu at the configure script
[20:59] <mikestir> autoreconf would regenerate the configure script against the local version of automake/autoconf
[21:00] <es5nhc> Error says syntax error, as if something gets fouled up with the configure script syntax
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[21:01] <b12> quiter
[21:03] <yo9ict> Ok, B-64 set a new world record. But what about B-63,B-66 ? Any news ?
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[21:04] <DL1SGP> yo9ict: we just gonna wait and listen if they show up again :)
[21:04] <b12> give them time
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[21:06] <N2NXZ> frickin people on web tuners,no ask,just tune :(
[21:06] <yo9ict> And what's the story of B-65 ? :)
[21:06] <es5nhc> WebSDR's FTW
[21:06] <DL1SGP> refering to Globaltuners N2NXZ ?
[21:07] <N2NXZ> ofcourse...losrs
[21:07] <N2NXZ> campers
[21:07] <DL1SGP> which node were you listening on?
[21:07] <N2NXZ> 434.500
[21:07] <N2NXZ> +/_
[21:07] <DL1SGP> node(gt receiver)
[21:07] <N2NXZ> I had a light copy on it,crappy dipole
[21:08] <N2NXZ> guy changes it to 1368 and leaves...
[21:08] <N2NXZ> Morins
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[21:10] <N2NXZ> is there a web sdr for 70cm?
[21:10] <fsphil> and in other parts of the solar system today: http://www.planetary.org/multimedia/space-images/small-bodies/comet-cg-20140729-osiris.html
[21:10] <DL1SGP> sorry to hear about your bad experience james, I do not think that ivo is around much right now to take care of the Breda receiver users and keeping them tamed :)
[21:11] <amell> yo9ict: B-65 crashed and burned shortly after launch
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[21:11] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: rosetta is getting close :)
[21:11] <fsphil> indeed!
[21:11] <fsphil> exciting stuff
[21:12] <amell> SpeedEvil: New horizons is also getting closer.
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[21:12] <SpeedEvil> yup
[21:12] <fsphil> oh yes that too
[21:12] <SpeedEvil> I kinda wish they'd tried aerobraking at pluto
[21:12] <amell> dont think pluto even has an atmosphere...
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> It' not - completely - out of the question - but it does require a very beyond the state of the art chute, and a pre-probe to map the atmosphere
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> fucking thin helium
[21:13] <fsphil> and then Dawn arrives at Ceres in Feburary
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> Which makes the scale height really quite good, though the density sucks
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> so in principle you can get quite decent delta-v
[21:14] <amell> I was quite disappointed by the poor images from the titan lander - hope they do better this time.
[21:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> amell did you sign up for your name on new horizons? :-)
[21:14] <amell> i considered it, but no :)
[21:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i got the paper :-)
[21:15] <es5nhc> dl-fldigi issue fixed. Needed to install pkg-config :)
[21:15] <fsphil> my name is on a cd on mars
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[21:15] <fsphil> well it used to be
[21:15] <fsphil> I'm sure the CD is no longer readable
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[21:15] <yo9ict> amell : Burned ? wtf
[21:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sure it was a cd phil, not i vinyl? :-)
[21:16] <amell> yo9ict: a figure of speech.
[21:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i=a
[21:16] <amell> its completely crazy how long opportunity has been crawling around mars.
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[21:17] <es5nhc> +1
[21:17] <amell> I was shocked to discover the other day that opportunity landed on mars in 2004& cant believe it was 10 years ago!
[21:18] <bertrik> wasn't there a lander even 10 years before that on mars?
[21:18] <amell> sojourner
[21:18] <mfa298> es5nhc: possibly a bit late now but http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi:build-ubuntu#building_stable_version_on_ubuntu_1404
[21:19] <amell> sojourner was in 1997
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[21:19] <mfa298> you also want the first couple of sections (vanilla fldigi dependancies and Other dependancies)
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[21:21] <es5nhc> mfa298, yes, I was working based on that.
[21:21] <DL1SGP> good night all :) and enjoy the tracking activities
[21:21] <amell> personally the most exciting mission for me is the 2026 Jupiter mission with europa lander.
[21:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn felix
[21:21] <amell> they will actually send an autonomous robot through a hole in the ice on europa to explore the sea.
[21:22] <mfa298> I've added all the steps to get the required dependancies into that section now.
[21:22] <fsphil> Enceladus is where all the fun is at now
[21:23] <amell> europa is believed to have life under the ice
[21:23] <mattbrejza> i dont think their belief is quite that strong
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> hmm. 0th order sums. Plutos diameter is 2300km, and scale height of the atmosphere is 60km. A chord tangent to the surface with ends 60km has a length 1500km. The density of the plutonian atmosphere is about 5ug/m^3, so a sectional density of 4.5 grams/m^2
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> This may be tricky :)
[21:24] <amell> 5ug/m3 is ridiculously thin
[21:24] <fsphil> it's a bit of a stretch to say it's believed to have life
[21:24] <yo9ict> Any SDR /rx that is still picking up B-64 ?
[21:24] <amell> ok, i should have phrased that better
[21:25] <amell> believed to be capable of supporting life.
[21:25] <fsphil> it has an ocean. a pretty acidic one
[21:25] <es5nhc> Thanks, mfa298
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[21:26] <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure that a parachute made from carbon fibres wouldn't work. Deploying it will be fun.
[21:26] <Maxell> yo9ict: yeah I have it on the waterfall but it drifts very fast
[21:27] <Maxell> it might need a second rxid in the middle of the transmissions
[21:27] <Maxell> So fldigi knows where it is
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[21:28] <luteijn> trying to compensate for the drift by hand but not too much success.
[21:28] <PE2G> The same here
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[21:29] <chrisg7ogx> where has she gone to please?
[21:29] <luteijn> ah, a green for once.
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[21:30] <Maxell> PC1PCL: no no such luck here too $$B-64,20844,212759,140731,52.6556'4.0604,12466,12,-46,3.51,0*3D27
[21:30] <PE2G> 434.495.6 cursor 1590 currently
[21:30] <chrisg7ogx> pe2g tks
[21:31] <Maxell> 64 tune margin lol
[21:31] <yo9ict> Maxell : Your RX or SDR ?
[21:31] <Maxell> lets see if that helps
[21:31] <PC1PCL> Maxell: $$B-64,20844,212759,140731,52.6556,4.0604,12466,12,-46,3.51,0*3D27 is what I got.
[21:31] <Maxell> yo9ict: my RX is rtl-sdr
[21:32] <Maxell> $$B-64,20844,212759,140731,52.6556,4.0604,12466,12,-46,3.51,0*3D27
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[21:32] <Maxell> look for differences
[21:32] <PC1PCL> way up again now..
[21:32] <Maxell> $$B-64,20844,212759,140731,52.6556'4.0604,12466,12,-46,3.51,0*3D27
[21:32] <Maxell> $$B-64,20844,212759,140731,52.6556,4.0604,12466,12,-46,3.51,0*3D27
[21:32] <Maxell> hmm
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[21:32] <Maxell> Green witg good placed decoder and 64 tune margin: $$B-64,20846,213123,140731,52.6834,4.1192,12456,11,-46,3.49,0*F044
[21:33] <PE2G> 64 tune margin seems to work somewhat
[21:33] <Maxell> rtl-sdr on 434,497 and fldigi on 1428 but those might have drifted rtl-sdr offset too
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[21:35] <Maxell> Misses first TX "31,5M.7008"
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[21:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its not everyday you see a line number over 20000
[21:36] <Maxell> poor snus
[21:36] <PE2G> $$B-64,20847,2133,14&731,5M.7008,4.157,12435,11,-46,3.5,0*14CD
[21:36] <Maxell> $$B-64,20847,2133,14O731,5M.7008,4.157,12435,11,-46,3.5,0*14CD
[21:37] <Maxell> same error
[21:37] <Maxell> almost
[21:37] <BullDoger> Can someone shoot down b-64 if it gets to france?
[21:37] <Maxell> Already past france
[21:37] <BullDoger> Ahh thank god
[21:37] <Maxell> On to the north
[21:38] <BullDoger> Much wind
[21:38] <Maxell> Max tune margin 128 testing now
[21:39] <Maxell> Hey one green again $$B-64,20850,213811,140731,52.7377,4.2368,12446,11,-46,3.52,0*142A
[21:40] <Boelle_DK> where do you set tune margin?
[21:40] <SpeedEvil> 30800km or so I think
[21:40] <PC1PCL> Op Mode -> Contestia -> Custom..
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[21:41] <PE2G> Maxell, are you using 128 now?
[21:41] <Boelle_DK> PC1PCL: thanks
[21:42] <Laurenceb__> it still hasnt beaten B-63 duration
[21:42] <Laurenceb__> have to wait for tomorrow for that
[21:42] <SpeedEvil> Or maybe not
[21:42] <SpeedEvil> (if 63 pops up)
[21:43] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[21:43] <Laurenceb__> watch the Azores :P
[21:44] <Maxell> PE2G: yes 128 also seems to work
[21:44] <PE2G> OK
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> Zooming out - the track look aweome
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[21:45] <SpeedEvil> Oh - wait - zoomed out too far, there are two africa
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> s
[21:45] <amell> have we not given up on B-66 yet?
[21:46] <PC1PCL> $$B-64,20853,214338,140731,52.7814,4.3309,12462,10,-45,3.53,0*E15B
[21:46] <PC1PCL> $$B-64,20854,214453,140731,52.7914R4.3525,12470,10,-45,3.54,0*9D42
[21:46] <PC1PCL> one good, second one bad ..
[21:47] <amell> Who was it that claimed that B-64 was the first transpacific? Thats not right as VK3YT-8 did it before.
[21:48] <es5nhc> And I reckon transatlantic flights have been made before too
[21:48] <Laurenceb__> really
[21:48] <es5nhc> I remember about some American APRS balloon making it to North Africa, I think
[21:48] <amell> yes, VK3YT-8 went from australia to Brazil
[21:48] <Laurenceb__> oh wow, when
[21:49] <amell> its still on the snus
[21:49] <Laurenceb__> doh
[21:49] <es5nhc> Hang on, I'll find that for you
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[21:50] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: ARRL: Party Balloon Carrying Amateur Radio Payload Circles the Northern Hemisphere http://t.co/XpmzyTHrtY #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas #hab
[21:50] <Laurenceb__> oh i see
[21:50] <Laurenceb__> what happened to the earlier data?
[21:50] <amell> ?
[21:50] <es5nhc> http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-12/amateur-radio-balloon-makes-record-transcontinental-transatlantic-flight
[21:50] <mattbrejza> Laurenceb__: aprs importer got turned on late
[21:50] <Laurenceb__> ah
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[21:57] <Boelle_DK> any changes in freq to B64?
[21:58] <PE2G> 434.496 now cursor 1744 Hz
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[22:01] <Maxell> 128 tone spacing seems to help
[22:01] <Maxell> green all the time
[22:01] <PE2G> Not here
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[22:04] <PC1PCL> Maxell: do you have the cursor set to an 'average' position, or tuning to compensate for the drift?
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[22:07] <Boelle_DK> not a beep here either yet
[22:07] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Another view of B-64 flight path http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/index.php?ind=14
[22:07] <Boelle_DK> red diamond in dl-fldigi
[22:08] <Maxell> PC1PCL: yeah it's at a sweet spot not manually retuning
[22:08] <Maxell> iirc contestia doesn't like getting retuned in the middle of tx
[22:08] <Maxell> tx/rx
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[22:09] <N2NXZ> how often does it TX?
[22:09] <PC1PCL> I leave it at the 'final' position now and that seems to more or less work, although it seemed to be better if I retuned (just not with the mouse but with the dial)
[22:10] <Maxell> ah yeah might work too
[22:10] <Maxell> it's in the middle here
[22:10] <Maxell> N2NXZ: evey 2 minutes or so on uhf
[22:10] <N2NXZ> OK
[22:10] <Maxell> and evey 5 on lower power iirc
[22:10] <Boelle_DK> starting to get lighter spots on waterfall in SDR#
[22:10] <Maxell> daytime vhf aprs evey 30 secs
[22:10] <N2NXZ> nor sure on web tuner where it would be on freq'
[22:10] <lbm> Could either of you post a screenshot of the waterfall pattern?
[22:11] <PC1PCL> Probably I should tune it slightly down then too might get both green (or end up with bad beginning and end)
[22:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Geoff-G8DHE-M very nice maps
[22:11] <PE1CME> after it sends his rx-id i set the cursor about 200hz higher, so it drifts in to the passband
[22:12] <N2NXZ> I see a carrier fading in and out on 434.508...nothing where you guys are hearing it
[22:12] <PE1CME> its on 434.496
[22:12] <Maxell> http://i.sigio.nl/310973dcd09eacc30af4ddbd81d3efdc.png fldigi on slow
[22:13] <N2NXZ> some web tuners are way different,let me park again on 434.496
[22:13] <Maxell> SDR# http://i.sigio.nl/b8e4b49d5a81cf1b2fd401f214952060.png
[22:13] <Maxell> lbm: ^
[22:13] <lbm> Maxell: Thanks!
[22:13] <Boelle_DK> i'm getting spikes at 434378....
[22:13] <Boelle_DK> not very strong
[22:13] <Boelle_DK> it only lightens the waterfall slightly
[22:14] <Boelle_DK> and not all the time
[22:15] <PC1PCL> at the moment it's in beep mode, so you should see a small spike every 2 second sor so.
[22:15] <PC1PCL> now it is sending contestia
[22:16] <Boelle_DK> my SDR#: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wxlavuby5c5yc8t/AACed8Nn4OUw9v3964cXP0uWa/#lh:null-sdr%23.png
[22:16] <PC1PCL> 2x green this time
[22:18] <PE2G> Boelle_DK: The bips in between Contestia telemetry look like this in dlfldigi: http://s1.postimg.org/jymrzadr3/Screen_01_08_14_00_14_48.png
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[22:20] <Boelle_DK> not what i see.... https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wxlavuby5c5yc8t/AACed8Nn4OUw9v3964cXP0uWa/#lh:null-dl-fldigi.png
[22:20] <PC1PCL|away> Zzz
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[22:20] <Boelle_DK> sleep?
[22:20] <Boelle_DK> old?
[22:20] <Boelle_DK> :-P
[22:20] <PC1PCL|away> yeah, and work tomorrow, well today :)
[22:21] <PC1PCL|away> after that drive into holiday trafic jams..
[22:21] <Boelle_DK> from germany?
[22:21] <PC1PCL|away> Netherlands to France..
[22:21] <Boelle_DK> upps
[22:22] <Boelle_DK> sorry for have mistaken you to be from gernany
[22:22] <Boelle_DK> but i guess there is a dutch word for stau too
[22:22] <Boelle_DK> :-D
[22:22] <PA3WEG> Evening all
[22:22] <PC1PCL|away> "file"
[22:22] <Boelle_DK> evening
[22:22] <PA3WEG> http://pa3weg.nl/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/M0XER-4_Bicycle_mobile.jpg --> decoding on the bicycle
[22:23] <Boelle_DK> loool
[22:23] <PC1PCL|away> nice 'screenshot',
[22:23] <fsphil> hah
[22:23] <fsphil> different
[22:24] <Boelle_DK> how far outside blue circle can i be and hear B64?
[22:24] <Boelle_DK> if at all possible
[22:24] <Maxell> mogguh PA3WEG
[22:25] <Maxell> fietsmobiel M0XER direct ontvangen, of via digipeater?
[22:26] <fsphil> depends on your altitude and horizon Boelle_DK
[22:26] <Maxell> Boelle_DK: under normal conditions not
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[22:26] <Boelle_DK> oki, the blue circle is about 45 mins away in car
[22:26] <fsphil> and radio setup (antenna gain and radio sensitivity)
[22:26] <Maxell> However if you get up high with a good antenna you might be able to peak over it
[22:26] <Boelle_DK> so a bit more waiting
[22:27] <Maxell> Boelle_DK: what kind of antenna, how high above average terrain?
[22:27] <Boelle_DK> ½ wave whip... living on first floor
[22:27] <Boelle_DK> guess 10 meters up
[22:27] <Boelle_DK> 38 meters over sea level
[22:28] <PA3WEG> direct en Digi
[22:30] <Maxell> PA3WEG: ah thats nice! Yes, B-64 made quite a journey
[22:30] <Maxell> Boelle_DK: ok that sounds good
[22:30] <Maxell> However first floor might need some strong signals
[22:31] <Maxell> You just wait untill it gets closer :)
[22:31] <Boelle_DK> blue circle about 20-30 mins away
[22:31] <Maxell> Might even require the green cirkle
[22:31] <Maxell> circle
[22:31] <gonzo_> evening wooter
[22:31] <Boelle_DK> oki
[22:31] <Maxell> is 5 degrees
[22:31] <Maxell> lol wooter
[22:31] <Boelle_DK> yep... wait waitwait... think i have chekced settings as much i can
[22:32] <LeoBodnar> haha PA3WEG that's first
[22:32] <gonzo_> hehe, OK my mempory is bad. Wouter
[22:32] <Maxell> woot woot http://www.mittray.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Pingu.jpg
[22:33] <Maxell> Ok for some reason the 128 spacing works perfectly all greens incoming
[22:34] <PA3WEG> Now trying at home
[22:35] <Boelle_DK> still 434496 ?
[22:35] <PA3WEG> but in the middle of a field, it was OK to RX
[22:35] <PA3WEG> LeoBodnar: glad I could RX it ;)
[22:36] <Boelle_DK> q...
[22:36] <Boelle_DK> dl-fldigi
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[22:37] <Boelle_DK> green bar to far right is starting to build up
[22:37] <Boelle_DK> also
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[22:37] <Boelle_DK> f/o number to lower left is going up
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[22:37] <amell> have you used fl-digi to hear balloons before?
[22:38] <Boelle_DK> nope first night and have asked for a lot of help today
[22:38] <Boelle_DK> even offered to install teamviewer
[22:38] <amell> look for the pips and potentially contesia
[22:38] <Boelle_DK> so people could check themselfes
[22:38] <amell> good luck.
[22:38] <amell> I couldnt receive it, but my aerial is in the loft and there was a rain storm
[22:39] <Boelle_DK> :-/
[22:39] <amell> i normally have no problem getting Bs within 250km or so.
[22:40] <Boelle_DK> the blue is just about 15 mins in car south west
[22:40] <Boelle_DK> still cant see anything big yet
[22:40] <Boelle_DK> but again ½ wave whip... living on first floor
[22:40] <amell> realistically for 10m aMSL antenna you might get something half way between blue and green. if youre lucky, earlier.
[22:41] <Boelle_DK> no 38 about sea
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[22:41] <Boelle_DK> 10 meter over ground
[22:41] <amell> have you used the dongle before? heard anything with it?
[22:41] <Boelle_DK> No
[22:41] <Boelle_DK> again first time tonight
[22:41] <amell> youve not tried local radio stations?
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[22:41] <Boelle_DK> nope... i'm total new to decode
[22:42] <amell> well, why not just try it.
[22:42] <Boelle_DK> and have just followed the guidea i was pointed at
[22:42] <amell> set to FM mode and tune a local station in. Just to make sure dongle is working
[22:43] <amell> and dont forget to put it back in USB mode when done
[22:43] <Boelle_DK> NFM ?
[22:43] <amell> wide fm
[22:45] <Boelle_DK> dooh
[22:45] <Boelle_DK> need to remove hab amp
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[22:46] <Boelle_DK> of course... whip will not go on.... wrong connectors
[22:46] <Boelle_DK> ahh
[22:46] <Boelle_DK> bare wire
[22:46] <Boelle_DK> hope it works
[22:47] <amell> should be fine?
[22:50] <Boelle_DK> i can see peeks
[22:50] <Boelle_DK> but no sound
[22:50] <Boelle_DK> not even static
[22:50] <Boelle_DK> there was staci before
[22:50] <amell> hmm. gqrx?
[22:50] <Boelle_DK> windows
[22:50] <Boelle_DK> sdr#
[22:51] <lbm> Did you change the default bandwith for WFM by mistake?
[22:51] <amell> might need to unplug and replug the dongle. i sometimes find the dongle locks up when changing antenna
[22:51] <Boelle_DK> and when seqarching for B64 there was a strong signal next to where it should be
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[22:51] <amell> that might be a DC signal
[22:51] <Boelle_DK> sounded like a helicopter
[22:51] <amell> solid line through the waterfall?
[22:52] <Boelle_DK> yep
[22:52] <Boelle_DK> yellow
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[22:52] <amell> what is the hardware tuned to? I usually put c. 50-100kHz offset, so the DC signal is out the way
[22:53] <Boelle_DK> 90.388
[22:53] <Boelle_DK> commercial FM station at 90.400
[22:53] <amell> screenshot?
[22:54] <Boelle_DK> teamviewer?
[22:54] <amell> the FM should be really obvious on the FFT
[22:54] <amell> if u want, but i havnt used sdr# before. someone else might be better
[22:55] <Boelle_DK> np with teamviewer
[22:55] <Boelle_DK> 637 990 460
[22:55] <Boelle_DK> 826bwp
[22:56] <Boelle_DK> have fm station website up and marked their freq
[22:56] <Boelle_DK> just static low
[22:56] <amell> did you get a whip with the dongle?
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[22:56] <Boelle_DK> yep... and 2 adapters....
[22:57] <amell> is that whip attached?
[22:57] <Boelle_DK> and one with no connector at the other end
[22:57] <Boelle_DK> no just the one with bare wire on
[22:57] <Boelle_DK> whip does only fit on hab amp
[22:57] <amell> you should have had a stubby aerial with the dongle which should have connectors on it or adaptors to go to the dongle
[22:59] <amell> me
[22:59] <Boelle_DK> ok
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[23:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> weak signals getting in now
[23:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> red decode
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[23:12] <amell> ok
[23:13] <amell> we got the dongle set up properly now.
[23:13] <amell> AGC was off, changed FFT to higher resolution
[23:13] <amell> if you plug habamp and aerial back in you should see more. let me know when done and can take another look
[23:13] <Boelle_DK> :-D
[23:13] <Boelle_DK> thanks a lot
[23:14] <amell> there should be lots of lines in the waterfall, if its black its borked
[23:14] <Boelle_DK> load of yellow colour...
[23:14] <Boelle_DK> what was the freq again?
[23:15] <amell> if its a fast computer you can increase fft resolution. but 32k points should suffice.
[23:15] <amell> 434.500 ish
[23:15] <amell> have you plugged habamp and aerial in?
[23:16] <amell> back in a few
[23:16] <Boelle_DK> yep and yep
[23:16] <Boelle_DK> ahh
[23:16] <Boelle_DK> i hear the blips i think
[23:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> <<2014-07-31T23:13Z Contestia @ 434495300+1164>>
[23:19] <Boelle_DK> got a single bad decode
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[23:25] <amell> can i view?
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[23:26] <Boelle_DK> yep... new code thou
[23:26] <Boelle_DK> 36jum3
[23:26] <Boelle_DK> same id
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[23:37] <amell> ok. the levels are set up right now.
[23:37] <Boelle_DK> ok
[23:38] <amell> nice blue display with yellow lines going down the wf
[23:38] <Boelle_DK> brb... nature call
[23:38] <amell> I was hunting for b-64, cant see it yet
[23:39] <amell> with such a small aerial you may have to wait for the green circle. the aerial is outside isnt it?
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[23:41] <Boelle_DK> back.... nope... its just a ½ wave whip
[23:41] <amell> is it actually outside?
[23:41] <Boelle_DK> nope
[23:41] <amell> you really need it outside.
[23:42] <Boelle_DK> i know... but not doable before i get a win laptop
[23:42] <amell> you might get it when its really, really close if inside, but i didnt have much luck
[23:43] <amell> i wouldnt bother trying until youre in the green circle, even then it will be hard.
[23:43] <amell> outside is essential
[23:43] <Boelle_DK> i know... far from perfect....
[23:44] <Boelle_DK> i'm also building a rig for an yagi....
[23:44] <Boelle_DK> remote controlled pan/tilt thing
[23:44] <Boelle_DK> i just wished there was more power in the raspberry pi for decode
[23:44] <Boelle_DK> but baah
[23:45] <amell> ok. off to bed now. youre going to have a long wait until you have a slim chance of hearing B-64 :)
[23:45] <Boelle_DK> i could put that out in a field and drive home and control it from there
[23:45] <Boelle_DK> yep 2 hours still
[23:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> really having a hard time decoding it, despide a ok signal.
[23:45] <Boelle_DK> before green circle
[23:46] <amell> just to set expectations, youre unlikely to hear it inside green circle unless aerial is outside.
[23:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> who else is getting it right now?
[23:46] <amell> put pc next to window and dangle it out the window?
[23:47] <amell> oz1sky: presumably you have a proper aerial outside?
[23:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes a have the ant outside
[23:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> a-i
[23:47] <lbm> Very weak here. Only audible, not visible on the waterfall.
[23:48] <amell> The human ear is an amazing thing
[23:48] <lbm> Eagerly awaiting delivery of my HABAmp tomorrow :-)
[23:48] <amell> the thing about the habamp is that it amplifies noise too..
[23:48] <amell> need a good set up to make best use of habamp.
[23:50] <lbm> I have a collinear antenna mounted outside connected to an RTL-SDR dongle.
[23:50] <tweetBot> @NodeSystems: ARRL: Party Balloon Carrying Amateur Radio Payload Circles the Northern Hemisphere http://t.co/PmyMDg7TOv #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas #hab
[23:53] <Boelle_DK> any idea what the weak spike at 434515 is ?
[23:55] <Boelle_DK> you got it brian?
[23:55] <Boelle_DK> see you on map as receeiver
[23:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes but its not 100%
[23:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> about 50% decode
[23:55] <Boelle_DK> nope but not 0 either :-D
[23:56] <Boelle_DK> stille same freq?
[23:56] <Boelle_DK> still
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[23:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> got it at 434.496
[23:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> <<2014-07-31T23:54Z Contestia @ 434496000+0893>>
[23:57] <Boelle_DK> i hate living in a flat
[23:58] <Boelle_DK> sure need to figure something out for next time
[23:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> drifting some 300Hz up during tx
[23:59] <amell> boelle_DK: do you have an usb extension cable?
[23:59] <Boelle_DK> had one.... tested it bad today
[23:59] <amell> i have put the usb cable out the window with dongle and aerial dangling off it.
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