highaltitude.log.20140727

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[00:06] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/135302_trj001.gif
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[00:13] <N2NXZ> Interesting wind pattern
[00:14] <vk3pb> question re packet received
[00:14] <vk3pb> 10:03:22R VK3YT-11>SW28T0,VK3CV-1*,WIDE2* Port=1 <UI Len=38>:
[00:14] <vk3pb> is that a packet directly received or via a repeater?
[00:14] <N2NXZ> Looks like digipeat
[00:18] <vk3pb> email received form andy
[00:18] <vk3pb> from
[00:18] <vk3pb> Hi Peter, I have to leave for a while. We are having an issue with SNUS. Problem: telemetry for PS not showing up on map Cause There are two payloads in our flight PS ff8ff207d1d37ab21f1841efcdd63aef, one with 11 fields and one with 12 fields. Looks like telemetry coming from the payload with 11 fields is mapped to the other with 12 fields, and is discarded Here are the error logs DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: CantExtractC
[00:18] <Darkside> and i have no means of fixing it
[00:19] <vk3pb> CantExtractCallsign exception in simple_binary: CantExtractCallsign [2014-07-26 23:05:44,154] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Exception in UKHAS main parse: ValueError: Incorrect number of fields (got 11, expect 12) [2014-07-26 23:05:44,152] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Selected payload_configuration 6a679a4425850cb6448c7c46652a674f from flight ff8ff207d1d37ab21f1841efcdd63aef for PS' So if they can remove the VK3YT-11
[00:19] <Darkside> i cannot remove anything
[00:19] <Darkside> the people that can are asleep
[00:19] <vk3pb> from flight ff8ff207d1d37ab21f1841efcdd63aef that will solve the problem If you get this and are still on IRC, maybe if you can ask if any admins can help. Will be back in maybe 2H Regards, Andy
[00:19] <vk3pb> that's unfortunate
[00:20] <Darkside> its his flight doc..
[00:20] <Darkside> he should have checked for errors before asking for it to be approved
[00:22] <vk3pb> shame
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[00:40] <vk3pb> if the balloon goes a little further east I wonder if there will be a local aprs repeater to receive its signal?
[00:43] <N2NXZ> Is this going to be recovered or free floater?
[00:44] <vk3pb> free floater methinks
[00:45] <vk3pb> if it went into nsw then andy would have friends there who could get it
[00:45] <vk3pb> but this one is headed east
[00:46] <N2NXZ> I wonder how far it would travel from that part of the world though,should be interesting
[00:46] <N2NXZ> The jetstream in your location looks violent http://www.stormsurfing.com/cgi/display_alt.cgi?a=glob_250
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[00:51] <vk3pb> I think that Andy has deliberately chosen today to launch due to the jetstream
[00:51] <N2NXZ> Not really sure how much the jetstream plays a role in some balloons considering altitudes.Lots to learn for me.
[00:52] <vk3pb> the balloon is certainly going fast
[00:52] <N2NXZ> Those are a fast moving stream.we can use that up North
[00:53] <N2NXZ> 74mph...yes it is
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[00:54] <N2NXZ> Hoping to grab a signal from Leos if the winds take it South a bit more
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[01:25] <vk3pb> i see there are 2 circles on aprs.fi, an inner and an outer - which one is the effective distance for aprs?
[01:26] <fsphil> outer tends to be a good guide, but it depends on the individual stations in range
[01:27] <vk3pb> thats good then, vk3we-1 should be able to receive the packets for some time yet
[01:29] <fsphil> what's the terrain there like?
[01:29] <fsphil> if it's good and flat he should have no problem
[01:31] <vk3pb> we have mountains in the east of victoria
[01:31] <vk3pb> great dividing range
[01:33] <vk3pb> the last packet was received in Albury
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[02:06] <N2NXZ> If Leos balloon lands near me,I will send it to him on my flight!!! Looks like it may head this way sometime tomorrow.
[02:08] <N2NXZ> 10:07 pm...maybe time for sleep,leaving my beam pointed NW and Igate for fun.
[02:08] <N2NXZ> Good night and good luck to in flight balloons!!
[02:08] <fsphil> nite!
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[02:15] <molo> leee: are you on lotw? I'm not seeing any activity from your call.
[02:16] <molo> er, sorry, wrong channel
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[02:45] <vk3pb> just north of Montague Island
[02:45] <vk3pb> The penguins are waving to it
[02:51] <vk3pb> we seems to have no more packets?
[03:01] <vk3pb> all ok now - went quiet for a while
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[06:32] <amell> morning to the morning shift
[06:34] <amell> if B-63 doesnt appear today, it must be lost. all the predictions came out with worse case around 3-4pm today.
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[06:43] <nosebleedkt> hello everyone
[06:44] <nosebleedkt> Iam going to launch in August from GR
[06:44] <nosebleedkt> Here is my live tracking platform: http://www.slaros.gr/
[06:45] <nosebleedkt> Live VGA uses fsphil's SSDV protocol.
[06:47] <nosebleedkt> and the whole project is hosted here: https://www.facebook.com/slaros.project
[06:51] <KT5TK> The Google Earth Plugin is currently only available on Windows and Mac OS X 10.6+ :(
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[06:53] <nosebleedkt> jesus
[06:54] <nosebleedkt> My job is entitled 'Linux developer' but at home I work with windows mostly :P
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[06:56] <KT5TK> Well, I don't even have Windows at home. I know it's not your fault, but There will be more and more users that can't follow your project.
[06:57] <nosebleedkt> Need to make it work on Linux then :)
[06:57] <KT5TK> That would certainly be great! Thanks!
[06:58] <nosebleedkt> KT5TK, can you see the earth here -> https://www.google.com/earth/explore/products/plugin.html
[06:58] <nosebleedkt> ?
[06:59] <KT5TK> Well, just a static picture and again it says: The Google Earth Plugin is currently only available on Windows and Mac OS X 10.6+
[06:59] <nosebleedkt> ffff
[07:00] <nosebleedkt> KT5TK, can you do me a favour and install GE from the following site?
[07:00] <nosebleedkt> http://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html
[07:00] <nosebleedkt> it says supports linux
[07:00] <KT5TK> OK, give me a few minutes
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[07:03] <KT5TK> OK, I installed the 64 bit .deb file.
[07:04] <nosebleedkt> can you see now slaros.gr ?
[07:05] <KT5TK> No, neither in Chromium nor in Iceweasel
[07:05] <nosebleedkt> damn !
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[07:07] <KT5TK> Google-earth itself works though
[07:07] <KT5TK> It's just that they don't have the plugin
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[07:08] <nosebleedkt> https://code.google.com/p/earth-api-samples/issues/detail?id=117
[07:08] <nosebleedkt> Issue 117 is opened but the programmers did not start it yet
[07:10] <nosebleedkt> It's obvious I cannot do anything beyond that
[07:10] <KT5TK> Except for just not using it.
[07:11] <nosebleedkt> :) But I need it at least on windows
[07:11] <nosebleedkt> it's funny how they didn't manage to build something for linux
[07:11] <KT5TK> Politics
[07:12] <vk3pb> hi again
[07:12] <vk3pb> looks like Andy's balloon is out of range?
[07:13] <nosebleedkt> KT5TK, open a browser under Wine, it might work :D
[07:14] <KT5TK> But then I need to install the google-earth version of Win as well...
[07:15] <KT5TK> The spacenear.us tracker is quite nice. Why not embedd that?
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[07:16] <KT5TK> I'm sure they'll help[ you with the API with whatever you need
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[07:18] <onemek> What is a good parachute size and spill hole size ratio, if you want to add a spill gole to an existing parachute?
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[07:22] <KT5TK> onemek: Good question. I'm certainly not a specialist for this, but can you explain the purpose?
[07:22] <onemek> you know, the purpose of a spill hole
[07:22] <KT5TK> Yes, but where do you want to apply it?
[07:23] <onemek> you dont understand your question
[07:23] <onemek> *I
[07:24] <KT5TK> OK, isit for a balloon?
[07:24] <KT5TK> payload
[07:24] <onemek> yes
[07:24] <KT5TK> What payload weight? What drop altitude?
[07:25] <onemek> sorry, are you asking that to tell me what size parachute I need? because there are few online calculators for that. PS: 200 grams
[07:26] <onemek> dont know the altitude
[07:26] <KT5TK> I try to find out what you want to land and why you need a spill hole at all?
[07:27] <onemek> Oh, so youre saying maybe I dont need one. Okay, i get it
[07:27] <onemek> I want it to land straighter and not drift too far
[07:28] <nosebleedkt> KT5TK, it should be difficult to embedd it because I don't know where they take the info from. I do not take my data directly from APRS.fi
[07:32] <KT5TK> Ah, so you want to reduce your target area and you sacrifice some drag for that. I guess that the optimal diameter of the hole is a function of the reduction of the target area.
[07:33] <onemek> say what? 9sorry)
[07:34] <onemek> Few companies ive checked have a spill hole the 10% to 20% of the size (diameter) of the parachute
[07:34] <KT5TK> If you have an extremely large hole, the payload will essentially drop down in a streight line
[07:34] <onemek> sure
[07:34] <onemek> I want to keep it at 5 meters/second
[07:34] <KT5TK> If the hole is extremely small it will have little effect
[07:35] <onemek> sure
[07:35] <onemek> thats why im here
[07:35] <KT5TK> Any diameter is possible.
[07:35] <onemek> Sure
[07:36] <onemek> thats why im asking a question here
[07:36] <onemek> not asking what is possible, but what I should use
[07:36] <onemek> what is practical
[07:37] <lz1dev> nosebleedkt: checkout http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/embed-preview.html
[07:37] <jededu> Can somone approve this flightdoc please 9db91266a551d225164303fa295f933b
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[07:44] <KT5TK> I'd say that the target area increases with the square of the fall time. So try to define the improvement of the target area and solve for the spill hole diameter. The improvement will be slightly better than that.
[07:45] <daveake> A spill hole is there to stop the payload swinging back and forth due to air leaking out one side then the other
[07:46] <daveake> It'll make the descent slightly faster but that's not the intention; if the speed is then too fast you use a larger chute
[07:46] <KT5TK> That's why it's slightly better than the plain reduction of the parachute area
[07:50] <daveake> Only time I've ever adjusted the size of a spill hole was for a very light payload and one of those little Estes plastic rocket chutes. The ideal chute size was between the 12" and 18" chutes I had, so I used an 18" and made the hole a bit bigger
[07:51] <KT5TK> I was trying to explin this with turbulent flow versus laminar flow, but I' leave this to the specialist, Dave..
[07:51] <daveake> Not me
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[08:11] <jededu> The launch site and time for todays flight has changed to Pontrhydfendigaid, Wales at 14:00
[08:13] <jededu> Should have highlighted that
[08:13] <jededu> The launch site and time for todays flight has changed to Pontrhydfendigaid, Wales at 14:00
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[08:27] <speedevil> /n/nick SpeedEvil
[08:27] <speedevil> doh
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[08:50] <DL1SGP> good morning all
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[08:59] <F1VJQ> Yippeeee B-63 is back on the map!!!
[08:59] <F1VJQ> Congratulations LeoBodnar
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[09:02] <SpeedEvil> woo!
[09:02] <F1VJQ> amell B-63 is back on the map
[09:02] <F1VJQ> craag B-63 is back on the map
[09:03] <F1VJQ> fsphil B-63 is back on the map
[09:03] <lz1dev> hey everybody, its back
[09:03] <F1VJQ> Yes!!!V
[09:03] <F1VJQ> A long wait....but it's alive
[09:04] <mfa298> but will it manage to get back to the UK in time for the conference.
[09:05] <F1VJQ> mfa298 that's all in the lap of the gods
[09:06] <kpiman> It would be really good to see B63 come home
[09:07] <F1VJQ> DL1SGP B-63 is back on the map
[09:08] <DL1SGP> Cool, et bonjour :)
[09:09] <DL1SGP> Est-il près de moi, si c'est le cas je pourrais allumer le radio :D
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[09:09] <F1VJQ> DL1SGP Guten Morgen
[09:10] <F1VJQ> DL1SGP No - it is in Canada!
[09:11] <F1VJQ> Province of Ontario
[09:11] <amell> yay, pleased to see the revival of B-63
[09:11] <F1VJQ> and B-64 is in Ontario too
[09:12] <DL1SGP> Ah no worries if it follows the predicted path it might hit my alternate radio site in South Dakota
[09:12] <amell> we just need B-66 now, for the UK invasion to be complete.
[09:12] <DL1SGP> amell: best attach a teabag to it, in memories of Boston Tea Party :D
[09:13] <F1VJQ> I think we should have heard from B-66 before now... it should have gone close to Japan looking at the map
[09:13] <DL1SGP> USA invaded through air by Earl Grey
[09:13] <amell> lz1dev: how often does hysplit get refreshed? B-63 hysplit is still at the old position
[09:15] <F1VJQ> battery volts for both are holding up well since it is dark over there and no solar charge
[09:15] <lz1dev> amell: it's manual atm
[09:16] <F1VJQ> DL1SGP may not get into USA - plenty of Canada left
[09:16] <lz1dev> want to gauge how accurate the prediction actually is
[09:16] <lz1dev> so far for B-63, it's just an hour off :)
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[09:17] <DL1SGP> F1VJQ: time will show :)
[09:17] <F1VJQ> VK2AYM icon on map is misplaced off Japan!
[09:18] <LeoBodnar> morning!
[09:19] <DL1SGP> Good Morning Leo
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[09:19] <amell> leoBodnar: congratulations on getting 2 Bs past 90 degrees west
[09:21] <wenko> Leo, its back!
[09:22] <wenko> err
[09:22] <wenko> I guess you know :P
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[09:23] <PB0AHX-Herman> GM all
[09:23] <wenko> Morning.
[09:23] <amell> look forward to seeing what the log shows for B-63 route
[09:24] <DL1SGP> Goeden Morgen Herman!
[09:24] <PB0AHX-Herman> DL1SGP: gute morgen
[09:26] <wenko> they are not all that far appart...both are over Ontario.
[09:26] <F1VJQ> Congratulations LeoBodnar - two flights over Ontario
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[09:27] <F1VJQ> amell when does log get downloaded - if it does?
[09:32] <wenko> wow, how many were released?
[09:32] <cm13g09> wenko: too many :P
[09:32] <cm13g09> It's Leo.... we've come to expect anything
[09:33] <F1VJQ> wenko See here > http://leobodnar.com/balloons/
[09:33] <cm13g09> morning mfa298, craag
[09:34] <wenko> Are just 65 66 active?
[09:36] <F1VJQ> 63 and 64 - 65 down and 66 unsure
[09:36] <F1VJQ> 63 and 64 are in air for certain
[09:37] <lz1dev> amell: i've reran the hysplit for all balloons
[09:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> LeoBodnar, the web site is down showing 404 for the gallons page
[09:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Balloons page!
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[09:40] <lz1dev> the australian ballons have a really solid path to south part of south america
[09:41] <cm13g09> ooh, log replay on B-63
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[09:41] <cm13g09> craag: your map doesn't handle Leo's log replay functionality too well.....
[09:42] <LeoBodnar> B-63 is coming to 460 flight hours
[09:42] <LeoBodnar> B-64 is 360
[09:44] <Darkside> whats th 'record' on arhab?
[09:44] <cm13g09> LeoBodnar: how does that log replay feature work?
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[09:47] <F1VJQ> comes back in after Habmap froze...
[09:47] <F1VJQ> ...on Firefox
[09:47] <cm13g09> F1VJQ: craag's one?
[09:47] <F1VJQ> yes
[09:47] <cm13g09> interesting
[09:47] <F1VJQ> happens frequently
[09:47] <cm13g09> interesting
[09:47] <LeoBodnar> my Safari died
[09:48] <cm13g09> doesn't seem to affect Chrome
[09:48] <cm13g09> on Linux
[09:48] <F1VJQ> it takes out Firefox.... no recovery apart from delete!!
[09:48] <F1VJQ> It takes out FF on XP
[09:49] <cm13g09> from B-63's packet replay, if it carries on with that path in the replay
[09:49] <BullDoger> Oh wow b-63 is back
[09:49] <cm13g09> I can see why it might've got list....
[09:49] <cm13g09> *lost
[09:50] <BullDoger> LeoBodnar, truly ridicilous how many hours have been logged on those picos
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[09:52] <cm13g09> BullDoger: It's impressive, that's for sure!
[09:53] <F1VJQ> must be sunrise in Canada... solar panels starting to show volts
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[09:55] <fsphil> the B-SOD: http://i.imgur.com/wEGp5IB.png
[09:55] <cm13g09> fsphil: LOL
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[10:00] <F1VJQ> N2NXZ may get to hear the B-63/B-64 twins some time today
[10:03] <lz1dev> fsphil: wut?
[10:03] <fsphil> that keeps popping up
[10:03] <fsphil> had to close it
[10:04] <lz1dev> are you on a netbook?
[10:04] <fsphil> nah, well specced laptop
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[10:08] <LeoBodnar> Bs killim my browser
[10:08] <lz1dev> fsphil: want to debug the problem?
[10:10] <fsphil> can do in about 15min, about to walk the dog.
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[10:13] <malgar> b63!! wow :) I'm surprised :D
[10:13] <malgar> LeoBodnar rocks :P
[10:14] <Darkside> >safari
[10:14] <malgar> they will be both over London for the UKHAS Conference :D
[10:14] <Darkside> hrm
[10:15] <simium> morning! is fsphil around?
[10:15] <F1VJQ> malgar The event organiser hasn't got that in his diary :-(
[10:16] <malgar> :D
[10:16] <F1VJQ> fsphil gone 15 mins to walk the dog
[10:16] <simium> thanks F1VJQ!
[10:17] <F1VJQ> looks as if predictions for B-63/B-64 are circular paths
[10:19] <simium> i'm looking for stuff on the NTX2+RTTY+SSDV and his name is everywhere :)
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[10:24] <cm13g09> LeoBodnar: I think we now understand why B-63 vanished, don't we?
[10:25] <Darkside> http://www.fromquarkstoquasars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/aliens-meme.jpeg
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[10:27] <mfa298> simium: if you ask the questions you've got you may find someone else can answer them
[10:29] <cm13g09> mfa298: age old line of IRC
[10:29] <cm13g09> Don't ask to ask, just ask
[10:30] <cm13g09> yeah?
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[10:37] <simium> mfa298 cm13g09 sure!
[10:38] <simium> thing is I have a doubt with his setup for an interrupt driven NTX2
[10:39] <simium> in his article on hadie he says "Interrupt driven RTTY code with a single pin and two resistors. (3.3v ’ 330 ohm ’ NTX2 tx pin  2.2k ohm  rtty output pin)"
[10:40] <simium> I'd like to know why and if it would still work with a bitbang rtty
[10:43] <simium> also, if that "3.3v" means I should also power the NTX2 with 3.3v instead of 5v
[10:44] <daveake> What you power the NTX2 with has nothing to do with how you modulate it
[10:44] <mfa298> technically I think the interrupt driven version is still bit banging.
[10:44] <daveake> I agree
[10:46] <simium> you are right
[10:46] <mfa298> the difference is in how the timing is done. You can either use a delay loop (which is easier to understand but means you need to pause during transmissions to generate the next bit of data) or interrupt driven (which might seem more complex, but means the AVR can be doing other stuff whilst waiting)
[10:47] <simium> at first I was going to use the delay loop, but then I saw the interrupt driven option, timing here is not critical (it's for ssdv and looks like we have plenty of time for doing nothing)
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[10:49] <mfa298> the timing of the tone changes for rtty will be critical whichever form you're using. But with the delay loop style you'll end up stopping the transmission temporarily whilst you sort out the next packet. With interrupt driven code you can be sorting out the next packet whilst the processor is idle (the sleep times in the delay loop version).
[10:50] <mfa298> whilst each pause might be short, over the course of the flight you might find that you could have fitted in an extra image.
[10:50] <simium> good to know
[10:51] <mfa298> However getting something working and where you understand what's happening should probably be the first priority so if you're happy with the delay loop version do that first, then you can always look at improving it to use interrupts
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[10:53] <simium> sure, i'm starting with the delay loop noob version, but I'm making a pcb for it and the hardware thing made me doubt
[10:54] <mfa298> if you've come accross threads in other forms of programming you could think of the interrupt driven stuff as being a 2nd thread (although with various limitations).
[10:54] <simium> I'm going with the resistors anyway :)
[10:55] <cm13g09> mfa298: you have PM
[10:55] <mfa298> Note that thinking of it in that form is only really a starting point, once you start learning more about interrupts don't think about it as a 2nd thread any more
[10:55] <simium> yeah, I've worked with interrupts in Arduino (for led multiplexing, tho)
[10:55] <Laurenceb__> no way
[10:55] <Laurenceb__> wtf
[10:55] <Laurenceb__> B-63
[10:55] <cm13g09> Laurenceb__: yep
[10:56] <Laurenceb__> lolz B-64 overtook it
[10:56] <cm13g09> We now have some idea where it's been
[10:56] <mfa298> hardware should be the same for delay loop or interrupt driven. There is an alternative (on the ukhas wiki) where you use PWM to drive the NTX2 rather than the resistor divider (and again you can use delay loops or interrupt driven code)
[10:56] <Laurenceb__> is log still coming through?
[10:56] <cm13g09> yep
[10:57] <cm13g09> although quite how it got where it go to with that trajectory.... is anyone's guess!
[10:57] <simium> mfa298 thanks for the help
[10:57] <Laurenceb__> B-63 coming up to 3 weeks
[10:58] <LeoBodnar> is B-64 still 4 days away?
[10:58] <Laurenceb__> lolz ill run hysplit
[10:58] <S_Mark> Hmmm why is SDEAN on the spacenearus tracker??
[10:58] <S_Mark> whos using my code lol
[10:59] <Maxell> heeh
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[11:00] <mfa298> S_Mark: you mean you didn't leave some bugs in it so it wouldn't work (or have they just not triggered them yet)
[11:01] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/141815_trj001.gif
[11:01] <S_Mark> lol mfa298
[11:01] <Laurenceb__> 3 days away, and likely to reach uk or france
[11:01] <Laurenceb__> looks like its in range of aprs on the St Lawrence channel
[11:01] <Laurenceb__> muh channel
[11:02] <S_Mark> whoever is IN3ANF can you change the callsign anyway
[11:03] <Laurenceb__> also attn fsphil
[11:04] <DL1SGP> heh Mark :) I was wondering if you were trying a sneaky stealth flight
[11:04] <S_Mark> Ha no - not from Italy anyway!
[11:04] <DL1SGP> possibly a sweet holiday with Cassie, who knows :)
[11:05] <S_Mark> Haha I'll bear it in mind
[11:05] <LeoBodnar> are you a Dr or St ?
[11:07] <qyx_> ok, obvious thing, using GSM whip antenna for 433MHz doesn't work
[11:08] <qyx_> replacing with china-quality helix changes RSSI by 30dB
[11:09] <LeoBodnar> B-63 seems to be a compulsive Arctic challenger
[11:09] <cm13g09> LeoBodnar: yeah!
[11:10] <cm13g09> explains why it went MIA for a while though!
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[11:23] <fsphil> Laurenceb__: oooh, I'd better get listening
[11:23] <fsphil> simium: heya, looks like you got sorted
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[11:25] <fsphil> I don't use the resistor arrangement mentioned on that page anymore, must delete that actually. I'm using the three resistor as in http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
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[11:37] <Laurenceb__> looks like B-63 must have head out over Hudson bay
[11:38] <NigeyS> yip
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[11:44] <cm13g09> Laurenceb__: yeah - looks like it
[11:44] <cm13g09> craag: Please fix your map!
[11:44] <cm13g09> It's not a fan of LeoBodnar's log replay
[11:46] <fsphil> they're both within LOS of eachother
[11:46] <cm13g09> lol
[11:46] <mfa298> cm13g09: refresh and it'll be fine
[11:46] <cm13g09> mfa298: yeah I know
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[11:47] <mfa298> I'm not sure it's an easy fix (unless the map starts storing the full data set in which case it'll get slow like snus)
[11:47] <cm13g09> mm
[11:49] <cm13g09> I thought as much
[11:55] <Laurenceb__> i wonder if natrium42 is about to rx
[11:55] <Laurenceb__> presumably there is no 434mhz?
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[11:58] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/143060_trj001.gif
[11:58] <Laurenceb__> hah loops
[11:58] <Laurenceb__> for B-63
[11:59] <BullDoger> Hopefully back in blighty soon then
[12:04] <Laurenceb__> yeah they could both make it
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[12:06] <LeoBodnar> is GFS05 still embargoed?
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[12:11] <cm13g09> Laurenceb__: loopy indeed
[12:11] <cm13g09> but then the thought of a balloon circumnavigating is a little loopy
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: I vaguely recall you saying your HW could in principle do APRS reception - was I wrong?
[12:13] <LeoBodnar> 2 starting points option is finally useful http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/143366_trj001.gif
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[12:14] <LeoBodnar> yes it can but need to finish some DSP code
[12:14] <cm13g09> LeoBodnar: lol
[12:14] <Laurenceb__> B-63 makes direct pass over natrium42
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[12:15] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: using the built in modem?
[12:15] <Laurenceb__> to do 2FSK decode
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[12:16] <LeoBodnar> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/143449_trj001.gif
[12:16] <Laurenceb__> heh B63 and 64 are both at 12582m
[12:16] <LeoBodnar> well there are a few options
[12:16] <Laurenceb__> just over 3 days :P
[12:16] <LeoBodnar> make it 4
[12:17] <LeoBodnar> always safe bet XD
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> Have there been other balloons with the same envelope desing that descended when in comms?
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> That is - do they burst, or seem to be losing gas and descending?
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[12:21] <LeoBodnar> not yet observed on these ones
[12:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> is there someting new in the making of these ballons or are they the same as the las 20 ballons ot so?
[12:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> last 20balloons or so** ?
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[12:23] <N2NXZ> Cool...both balloons still going!!!!
[12:23] <N2NXZ> That is cool stuff
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[12:24] <malgar> they will last forever
[12:25] <LeoBodnar> they are slightly different
[12:25] <malgar> LeoBodnar: what0s the difference?
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[12:25] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[12:27] <LeoBodnar> slightly different envelope
[12:30] <malgar> LeoBodnar: they are both doing well it seems :)
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[12:32] <malgar> do you have idea about the leakage rate? for sure is very low but is possible to calculate it from actual altitude?
[12:33] <Laurenceb__> its possible to calculate, but the envelope film structure isnt known precisely
[12:33] <Laurenceb__> theoretically its 1 to 2 months for He
[12:34] <malgar> I'm thinking about what I need for calculate it.. I think: pressure and altitude at first floating time, and actual pressure and altitude
[12:34] <malgar> right?
[12:35] <Laurenceb__> huh??
[12:35] <malgar> do they go in superpressure?
[12:35] <Laurenceb__> you want to know the superpressure and the diffusion coefficient for the fill gas in the plastic envelope
[12:36] <malgar> ok, I was not sure aput superpressure
[12:36] <malgar> about
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[12:37] <malgar> Laurenceb_: mmh diffusion coefficient could be calculated from pressure and altitude data
[12:38] <malgar> I have to thin a bit about this
[12:38] <Laurenceb__> too much "noise" from the weather
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[12:40] <malgar> LeoBodnar: could you give me all that you know about the physical data of the two balloons? total weight, inflated helium, volume of the envelope,..
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[12:41] <malgar> Laurenceb_: yes, but we have a lot of data.. maybe an average of 24h could be enough to reduce noise
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[12:48] <Laurenceb__> its more like 1/f noise so that doesnt really help
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[13:03] <malgar> how do you know the frequency of the weather noise? :P
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[13:20] <Laurenceb__> interesting log from B-63
[13:20] <Laurenceb__> looks like there were very slow winds up north
[13:24] <N2NXZ> Calling for storms in NY all week...but again,THEY said...:)
[13:26] <N2NXZ> Tested my UNO tracker battery pack...19.5 hours runtime.
[13:26] <N2NXZ> Going soalr on this one
[13:26] <N2NXZ> solar
[13:33] <fsphil> storms are good too
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[13:34] <F1VJQ> N2NXZ You should hear B-64 soon
[13:34] <N2NXZ> More wind
[13:35] <N2NXZ> I hope I do hear it,been watching for days.My new favorite hobby
[13:36] <N2NXZ> I tried to contact amateur groups a few days ago in the far North...never received a reply from any of the clubs
[13:36] <N2NXZ> Sometimes I wonder what these clubs do...lol
[13:36] <fsphil> I'm hoping it comes this way
[13:37] <N2NXZ> Where are you located?
[13:37] <fsphil> only one B balloon has ever managed it before
[13:37] <fsphil> n.ireland
[13:37] <N2NXZ> cool,hope it makes it there,that would be a major record?
[13:37] <fsphil> the predictions have it going overhead
[13:37] <N2NXZ> Been watching predictions as they are sent..interesting
[13:38] <fsphil> the big moment will be it passing the launch longitude
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[13:38] <N2NXZ> Amazing
[13:38] <N2NXZ> I always hope to make it out of my state
[13:38] <fsphil> if it makes it, it'll be the first amateur flight to do it
[13:39] <F1VJQ> N2NXZ Perhaps they go huntin' and fishin' all day?!
[13:39] <N2NXZ> Who knows,never had much luck getting participation from any clubs
[13:40] <N2NXZ> One replied to me and said they do not use HF...WHAT??
[13:40] <fsphil> when they fly overhead, they'll have experienced one more day than everyone below :)
[13:40] <N2NXZ> Not one amateur has HF capabilities?
[13:40] <fsphil> signals above 30mhz? unpossible!
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[13:41] <fsphil> many HAB flights have used HF
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[13:41] <fsphil> we don't tend to because of the silly local rules against amateur radio in the air
[13:41] <fsphil> wb8elk who appears here now and then has done it
[13:41] <N2NXZ> Between here and the Atlantic I sent 100 emails to numorous clubs from NYC to Greenland.Ended up with only 3 replies
[13:42] <N2NXZ> sorry ...4
[13:42] <N2NXZ> Yes,ELK has done a few HF balloons
[13:42] <fsphil> I remember a US flight being received an decoded in europe
[13:42] <fsphil> HF is quite impressive sometimes
[13:43] <N2NXZ> That is cool,going to try that too
[13:43] <N2NXZ> 30m
[13:43] <fsphil> the antenna is a pain
[13:43] <fsphil> it naturally has to be quite large
[13:43] <N2NXZ> I know,but the magnet wire seems to works really well
[13:43] <DL1SGP> great work James
[13:44] <KA1QW> Please include WS1SM the next time you send emails. A pretty active and diverse club in SOuthern Maine
[13:44] <Maxell> 30m would be perfect. NVIS for locals and DX for eveyone else.
[13:44] <Maxell> Not a lot of day/night cycle also helps.
[13:44] <N2NXZ> I managed to get 3 operators in Maine to help my last launch,great guys
[13:45] <N2NXZ> Ironically,a payload was found a day before my last launch in Maine,by an amateur radio operator walking his dog!
[13:46] <N2NXZ> Talk about luck,found on a trail in a wooded area too
[13:46] <KA1QW> I'll mention the subject at our next meeting. Good subject to talk about , especially with the newcomers.
[13:47] <N2NXZ> Fortunately,still have contact with the same ground stations in Maine,UHF SSB capability a plus
[13:48] <N2NXZ> Going to note the call you mention
[13:48] <KA1QW> Add me to your list, please. I can email to the entire club.
[13:49] <N2NXZ> email QRZ?
[13:49] <KA1QW> UHF SSB is getting rarer and rarer.
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[13:49] <KA1QW> Sure QRZ will work
[13:49] <N2NXZ> Adding your email to my list,will notify a week before launch
[13:50] <N2NXZ> You probably know the others
[13:51] <N2NXZ> KB1TCE,
[13:53] <KA1QW> Know the call, but further North of me.
[13:54] <N2NXZ> I can not find the other calls,just emails.
[13:54] <N2NXZ> Was lucky they helped,it flew practicall right over them
[13:55] <N2NXZ> 6 hours from Rochester,NY to Maine area
[13:55] <KA1QW> CLub callsign. You can use mine, KA1QW.
[13:55] <N2NXZ> Noted your email to my list
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[13:56] <N2NXZ> HF/UHF on this one
[13:56] <G0HDI> Did I miss EDUHAB4 or are we waiting lift off chaps?
[13:57] <N2NXZ> I think the other callsigns are listed on my QRZ page,photo of one of the balloons that were found also
[14:08] <Ron_G8FJG> looks like it going up now
[14:09] <mikestir> could do with wiping out the test data before launch to get rid of that sudden jump across country
[14:10] Nick change: mikestir -> mikestir_M0MKS
[14:10] <G0HDI> Ok, waiting first contact
[14:12] <N2NXZ> Igate and beam running here...hope to grab some packets
[14:16] <N2NXZ> <G0HDI>What is designation on this one?
[14:16] <G0HDI> EDUHAB4
[14:18] <N2NXZ> Foil balloon?
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[14:18] <G0HDI> ? on that one
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[14:19] <N2NXZ> yes
[14:19] <N2NXZ> EDUHAB4
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[14:21] <G0HDI> Feint trace and audio on 434.539 now
[14:23] <Ron_G8FJG> reds on 434.537800 1khz centre
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[14:25] <Maxell> ik trap er elke keer weer in...
[14:25] <Maxell> Oops wrong chan :P
[14:26] <daveake> ooh coming my way
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[14:33] <G0HDI> Still only partial decodes
[14:35] <G0HDI> Is the onboard camera saving to disc only, or also tx to ground....HABHUB?
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[14:38] <Maxell> daveake: not anymore? http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=EDUHAB4
[14:38] <nigelvh> Hey, M0XER-3 is back
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[14:43] <G0HDI> Bingo! I got a green
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[14:49] <fsphil> got the car ready daveake? :)
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[14:56] <daveake> fsphil The car is always ready :p
[14:56] <VE6SAR> I see M0XER-3 is still alive and just finished a tour of the high arctic
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[14:59] <KC0UNH> M0XER-4 is still alive over Canada also.
[14:59] <nigelvh> Yep
[14:59] <nigelvh> Though, no news on M0XER-6
[15:00] <fsphil> lol
[15:02] <KC0UNH> M0XER-6...I just looked at and it's down in Russia it looks likes.
[15:04] <fsphil> no signals from it in some time
[15:04] <fsphil> could still be floating, though I'd have expected it to be in range of at least one or two igates by now
[15:05] <nigelvh> Yeah
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[15:06] <N2NXZ> Anyone know where to find quality maps for UIVIEW?
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[15:08] <KC0UNH> I showed no signals for the past 6 days
[15:09] <fsphil> weak but steady signal from eduhab4
[15:09] <mikestir_M0MKS> strong here - it's an S5, which you don't see very often
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[15:12] <Maxell> Yeah I wondered why on VHF/UHF the S meter feels so "heavy"
[15:13] <mikestir_M0MKS> I think it's probably due to the very limited bandwidth of the signal compared with the pass-band in USB mode
[15:14] <fsphil> other than local flights I've never seen the S meter register anything
[15:14] <Maxell> Oh, good to know. That will help debugging when I get my vertical up here/
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[15:18] <mikestir_M0MKS> cutdown worked then
[15:18] <mikestir_M0MKS> it was programmed to activate at the exact moment fsphil got a signal
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[15:23] <fsphil> lol
[15:23] <fsphil> tis alright, I got more than a few strings
[15:24] <mikestir_M0MKS> sudden change in frequency there
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[15:36] <maxmed> Hi, I'm running this code: https://github.com/Max-Med/New_HAB_Code/blob/master/New_HAB_Code_ino_ino/New_HAB_Code_ino_ino.ino but it is not quite working as expected, for some reason altitude keeps coming out as 9999999 (m) which is obviously wrong. Also, the else if(..) statement (line 53) is meant to kick in every 30 seconds if there is no gps lock which it does but it also kicks in every 30 seconds when it has a gps lock!
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[15:37] <maxmed> could i put the else if(..) statement in at the start of the void loop so if there is a gps lock it overwrites it? or would this be very inefficient/not even work?
[15:38] <Reb-SM0ULC> wow, B-63 returned from the north
[15:41] <fsphil> maxmed: just set previousmillis on a valid gps fix
[15:41] <fsphil> you also set but never use currentmillis
[15:42] <Reb-SM0ULC> for lazy people: dual selections at aprs.fi: http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=8&call=a%2FM0XER-3%2Ca%2FM0XER-4&others=1&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[15:42] <fsphil> maxmed: nice work commenting it btw
[15:43] <maxmed> fsphil: Your a genius! (/ I'm an idiot ) any idea why the altitude is misbehaving?
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[15:47] <maxmed> oh yeah currentmillis was part of an old method I was using but then changed, must have forgoten to remove it
[15:48] <fsphil> not sure about altitud
[15:48] <fsphil> +e
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[15:54] <fsphil> only thing I've noticed is the alt variable being unsigned
[15:54] <fsphil> it's possible though unlikely to get a negative altitude
[15:55] <jcoxon> i guess that might depend on what alt you test at
[15:55] <fsphil> mm
[15:56] <jcoxon> i'd go %ld
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[16:00] <maxmed> is %ld for signed long? I am definitely not bellow sea level as I am currently in the Alps so at over 1000m! I'll change it anyway incase for the real thing it lands bellow sea level
[16:00] <daveake> yes
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[16:10] <arko> woahHH
[16:10] <arko> B-63 showed up!
[16:11] <arko> thats awesome
[16:11] <arko> KT5TK: you sending a hab to me?
[16:11] <arko> :)
[16:13] <DL1SGP> :)
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[16:23] <cm13g09> WOAH, what a route B-63 took!
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[16:51] <gb73d> congrats on the alaska job
[16:51] <gb73d> i tweeted it
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[16:56] <DL1SGP> hi RalphW0RPK
[16:57] <N2NXZ> I did not know B-63 had UHF SSB until a few minutes ago.Listening now.Just called a friend in Canada to let him know too.
[16:58] <Laurenceb__> oh
[16:58] <Laurenceb__> woops
[16:58] <Laurenceb__> aiui its wasnt supposed to be running
[16:58] <RalphW0RPK> Hello from hot, humid and rainy eastern North Carolina.
[16:59] <DL7AD> N2NXZ: B-63 isnt transmitting on uhf in america because its non ism
[16:59] <N2NXZ> Oh...someone emailed me and asked if I had tried...sorry.
[16:59] <DL1SGP> RalphW0RPK: be glad that you are in NC, SC starts getting invaded by german retired persons after FL is overcrowded :)
[16:59] <N2NXZ> So I can resume using APRS?
[17:00] <DL1SGP> indeed James
[17:00] <N2NXZ> Thank you
[17:00] <DL1SGP> unless you like white-noise
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[17:00] <RalphW0RPK> My thanks to Leo for a very interesting ride. It was a real thrill to stumble into my Ham shack at 5am to find B-63 back online!
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[17:01] <DL1SGP> yeah I know that feeling, reminds me of some HF experiment that went down in north-western Germany for a night and came back next morning
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[17:05] <KA1QW> B-63 - what freq to listen ?
[17:05] <DL7AD> 144.39
[17:05] <SA6BSS> RalphW0RPK: Yea know the feeling, first thing in the morning, look at the phone to se where the B:s have ben during night :)
[17:05] <KA1QW> Thanks
[17:06] <marcel_> hi, I just created a flight document in habitat. We're planning our first launch in the weekend of August 9/10 from NL
[17:06] <marcel_> habduino seems to be working fine
[17:07] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/148589_trj001.gif
[17:07] <Laurenceb__> 2 days to uk
[17:07] <fsphil> woo
[17:08] <Upu> expecting some acceleration ?
[17:08] <Laurenceb__> looks like it
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[17:15] <lz1dev> btw Laurenceb__ hysplit is available on the mobile tracker
[17:15] <lz1dev> dunno if you heard
[17:17] <Upu> nice lz1dev
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[17:17] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: HAB Update; B-63/4 heading for circumnavigation of Earth ...;
[17:17] <tweetBot> #ukhas #hamr #hab http://t.co/ZUiAUaUpZe
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[17:18] <cm13g09> Geoff-G8DHE-Tab: a) How many times are you logged into IRC? b) Don't curse it!
[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[17:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> cm13g09, ?
[17:19] <cm13g09> I typed Geo, pressed tab and got Geoff-G8DHE-Tab, Geoff-G8DHE-M, Geoff-G8DHE_ ......
[17:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Ah yes, my proxy for the Shack, Laptop and Tablet depending where I am located ..
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[17:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> lz1dev, how do we get the hysplit?
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[17:27] <Lunar_Lander> yay Quebec almost there
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[17:27] <lz1dev> Geoff-G8DHE-Tab: it doesn't work on phones/tables
[17:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> ah i wondered :-)
[17:33] <N2NXZ> I need more antenna gain to grab that one
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[17:36] <malgar> B63/64 separated by less than 600 km
[17:37] <malgar> I don't remember when they have been launched
[17:37] <DL7AD> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-euO2Zy66bhk/TgJpo2jTsyI/AAAAAAAAAtw/6ZCjHXtdfJ0/s640/Gra%25CC%2588fe-+Ecke+Bo%25CC%2588ckhstra%25C3%259Fe-Jo.JPG
[17:37] <marcel_> how does the flight approval process for habitat work? any specic person to contact?
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[17:39] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/149287_trj001.gif
[17:40] <Laurenceb__> B-66 could still turn up.. maybe in Hawaii
[17:41] <mfa298> marcel_: you can create a payload doc without approval which allows habitat to put the data on the spacenear.us map and it's best to get that bit working first.
[17:41] <marcel_> I think I did that
[17:41] <lz1dev> Geoff-G8DHE-Tab: should probably put an option for it then
[17:41] <mfa298> you then create a flight doc (which does need approval) which makes the flight appear in dl-fldigi and makes it easier to export the data
[17:42] <marcel_> the site directed me to here after that
[17:42] <cipherzero> for gopro users, how do you make it rtecord 2+ hours of the flight if the battery usually dies in 50 minutes?
[17:42] <mfa298> when you create a flight doc copy it's ID and ask for it to be approved either in this channel (or if it doesn't get spotted quickly ask in #habhub)
[17:43] <marcel_> this number? ef9e3474fd7486edfd999039b0b49f74
[17:43] <mfa298> #habhub is where the server people hang out and generally has less traffic so it won't get lost in the noise.
[17:43] <marcel_> ok
[17:44] <mfa298> that looks like it could be a flight doc number (I don't have access to approve myself so can't check if it is).
[17:44] <mattbrejza> its a flight doc http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/ef9e3474fd7486edfd999039b0b49f74
[17:46] <mfa298> wow, that's some good planning. "start":"2014-08-09T00:00:00+01:00"
[17:47] <marcel_> first tme
[17:49] <mfa298> makes a difference compared to the people who ask for approval after releasing the balloon
[17:49] <cm13g09> mfa298: is that (ahem) Leop?
[17:49] <cm13g09> *Leo?
[17:50] <marcel_> maybe a stupid question, but: my dl-fldigi and/or fldigi seem to grab input from the builtin microphone, and gqrx is outputting through the speaker. there must be a way to connect these programs directly I suppose...?
[17:50] <marcel_> it is kind of silly this way
[17:50] <cm13g09> marcel_: which OS?
[17:50] <cm13g09> Linux?
[17:50] <marcel_> MacOSX
[17:50] <cipherzero> for gopro users, how do you make it rtecord 2+ hours of the flight if the battery usually dies in 50 minutes?
[17:51] <mfa298> marcel_: look up soundflower (I think that's the program)
[17:51] <cm13g09> thanks mfa298
[17:51] <marcel_> mfa: ok I will check
[17:52] <mfa298> cipherzero: I'm not a gopro user but I think they usually use an external battery pack
[17:52] <cipherzero> thats what im guessing. any ideas which one?
[17:52] <marcel_> cm13: I tested my gopro3, it gets between 2 and 2.5 hours with the standard battery
[17:53] <cipherzero> need about 2.5 to 3
[17:53] <cipherzero> was talking about gopro 2
[17:54] <cipherzero> btw, how do cameras handle the -50C of the stratosphere?
[17:54] <N2NXZ> http://m.weather.gc.ca/radar/index_e.html?id=XFT
[17:55] <YO9ICT> Someone can point me on habitat where to generate graphics like the bottom one on Leo's page http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-29/index.html ?
[17:55] <LeoBodnar> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/
[17:56] <YO9ICT> Thanks Leo :D
[17:57] <adamgreig> anyone know much about connecting thermocouples to PCBs?
[17:57] Nick change: jaymzx_away -> jaymzx
[17:58] <adamgreig> I realise I need to be careful about that connection since it makes the cold junction
[17:58] <cipherzero> really, do cameras handle the extremely low temperatures of stratosphere?
[17:58] <adamgreig> but wondering if the quite physically large mini-plug things with tc-material pins are really necessary
[17:58] <LeoBodnar> Soundflowerbed [18:50] <marcel_> MacOSX
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[18:02] <cipherzero> what camera do you guys use?
[18:04] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/149725_trj001.gif
[18:05] <Laurenceb__> uncertainty should clear up in the next few hours
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[18:10] <jaymzx> Yay go B63! I was rooting for it.
[18:11] <jaymzx> I know everyone else mentioned it. I just wanted to chime in with my support.
[18:11] <LeoBodnar> he thanks, there's never too much
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[18:11] <LeoBodnar> he misspells too
[18:12] <jcoxon> balloons on C4
[18:12] <jcoxon> courtesy of chris hilcox
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[18:14] <S_Mark> Anyone watching channel 4?
[18:14] <DL1SGP> negative here :)
[18:14] <S_Mark> HAB
[18:14] <S_Mark> No radio tracker though
[18:15] <S_Mark> Spot tracker
[18:15] <S_Mark> Chris?
[18:16] <jcoxon> yup
[18:16] <DL1SGP> Tom's fantastic floating home, wonder if they gonna mention that american who tried the cluster balloon, he did a floating home on cluster balloon for a fiesta in mexico if I remember correctly
[18:16] <S_Mark> Hillcox?
[18:16] <LeoBodnar> jaymzx: " heh thanks, there's never too much :D "
[18:16] <mikestir_M0MKS> [19:12:04] <jcoxon> balloons on C4
[18:16] <mikestir_M0MKS> [19:12:26] <jcoxon> courtesy of chris hilcox
[18:17] Nick change: mikestir_M0MKS -> mikestir
[18:17] <S_Mark> cool missed
[18:17] <S_Mark> that
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[18:18] <maxmed> I'm still getting an altitude of 9999999 (m) from my gps tracker, I tried plugging the gps module directly into my computer and ublox centre eventually gets the right altitude but it does take much longer to get 4 satellites for a lock than when plugged into the arduino. Is it possible that when plugged into arduino it gets 3 satellites so can get lat/lon so then starts transmitting so then is too busy to get a fourth satellite
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[18:20] <mikestir> no, the navigation engine runs on the gps and is independent of your tracker software
[18:20] <mikestir> you should be able to get a value for number of sats and add that to your sentence
[18:21] <maxmed> oh yeah. meant to give that a f
[18:21] <PE2BZ> Hi. Sorry for jumping in. Anyone knows where ALMA-0 is flying at this moment ?
[18:21] <maxmed> replace "f" with "go"
[18:22] <mikestir> the altitude value does sound like a deliberate "invalid altitude" marker, rather than a programming error
[18:22] <mikestir> have you checked the tinygps docs to see if it mentions it?
[18:22] <mikestir> it doesn't come from the ublox, but it doesn't mean tinygps doesn't generate it for some reason
[18:22] <DL1SGP> goeden avond PE2BZ, ALMA-0?
[18:23] <PE2BZ> Yes, it[ on 434.650 RTTY sending messages about being still alive after one hundred thousand miles
[18:23] <DL1SGP> does it send a position?
[18:24] <PE2BZ> $$$$$ALMA-0,606,18:23:27,52.080357,4.326351,77,5,24,2370,08,YOU*6B54 $$$$$ALMA-0,607,18:23:42,52.080333,4.326107,87,5,24,2370,08,HEAR*50E1
[18:24] <PE2BZ> Seems not, to make the checksum ok I guess ?
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[18:26] <DL1SGP> that is den haag main station
[18:26] <DL1SGP> check the messages before the checksum, seems to be sending a sentence through that "you hear ..."
[18:27] <PE2BZ> one hundred thousand miles I? feeling very still and my spaceship knows which way to go tell my wife I love her
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[18:27] <DL1SGP> so cute :)
[18:28] <PE2BZ> very much she knows ground control to major tom your circuit[ dead there's something wrong can you hear me makor tom can you hear me major tom
[18:28] <DL1SGP> that is the song Major Tom
[18:28] <PE2BZ> I know ;-)
[18:28] <PE2BZ> But you say the location is Den Haag ?
[18:28] <PC1PCL> 'space oddity'
[18:28] <DL1SGP> letme scroll up PE2BZ
[18:30] <DL1SGP> there was a mentioning of a dutch flight in near future
[18:30] <DL1SGP> so that might be the test for it
[18:30] <mikestir> wasn't someone working on a payload in the hague last night? Maxell?
[18:32] <DL1SGP> flightdoc was created today
[18:32] <DL1SGP> so it should be them
[18:32] <DL1SGP> callsign on flight doc is ALMA-1
[18:32] <maxmed> typical, I just added in the GPS satellites and the problem seems to have solved itself. First 2 lines that came back: $$MAX,1,18:29:05,46.158543, 6.729680,9999999,255*9FE2 then $$MAX,2,18:29:16,46.158569, 6.729660,1103,5*97B6 which is correct altitude! Don't know why initially it said it had 255 satellites but 5 sounds correct. after a short while the gps sateelites went up to 6 so sounds right.
[18:32] <PE2BZ> Thanks... And silly me was thinking I had to recover a retired HAB
[18:32] <DL1SGP> hehe
[18:33] <DL1SGP> they might invite you for a jupiler or heineken if you came there all equiped for recovery
[18:33] <maxmed> bit concerning as I now don't know what caused problem so don't know if it will happen again. Sounds like intensive testing is in order!
[18:33] <PE2BZ> I'll go for the Jupiler !
[18:34] <DL1SGP> intensive testing is important, as much as sanity checks are .oO( such as check if payload is attached before releasing the balloon )
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[18:36] <mikestir> don't forget to take the payload to the launch site
[18:37] <mikestir> actually for WG2 I had to turn back because I forgot the balloon
[18:37] <DL1SGP> hehe mikestir
[18:39] <mikestir> maxmed: both the 999999 and 255 thing both look like a "not known yet" marker
[18:41] <mikestir> maxmed: if you look at the tinygps source code you'll find GPS_INVALID_ALTITUDE = 999999999 and GPS_INVALID_SATELLITES = 0xFF
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[18:54] <PE2BZ> Have a nice evening all !
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[19:02] <marcel_> thanks for the SoundFlower suggestion on OSX. I have it working. My ears are happier now.
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[19:11] <jededu> Found EDUHAB4 but couldnt retrieve it its in a thick tree canopy the friendly farmer took us to the location on a quad I was underneath it
[19:15] <maxmed> I'm running this code: https://github.com/Max-Med/New_HAB_Code/blob/master/New_HAB_Code_ino_ino/New_HAB_Code_ino_ino.ino it now works quite well but when i lose gps lock (by taking the tracker downstairs), rather than sending the last good data it sends a messed up one where it was clearly losing the signal part way through so is useless as it is missing a lot of the digits eg. $$MAX,WARNING STALE DATA:33,18:34:42,46.15H,l,345
[19:16] <jededu> If it falls out he will recover for us :)
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[19:31] <simium> fsphil, I just read what you said about the resistors arrangement, but I can't figure what three resistor arrangement you mean
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[19:33] <simium> I'm sorry that I'm so tiresome :)
[19:33] <mfa298> simium: this would be the standard three resistor setup people have used http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2?rev=1381045698
[19:34] <mfa298> or the more recent PWM setup that needs 0 or 1 resistors http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[19:35] <simium> alright! fsphil said that he doesn't use that option anymore and sticks to the 3 resistor arrangement
[19:35] <fsphil> I use the one in that link
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[19:35] <fsphil> the one I don't use is the one one mentioned for hadie2
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[19:36] <fsphil> it ran the ntx2 slightly out of spec
[19:36] <mfa298> the first link has three resistors in it.
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[19:37] <simium> ok, thanks guys :)
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[19:48] <arko> whoever made a hysplit button for habhub is awesome
[19:48] <arko> nice work lz1dev!
[19:51] <SpeedEvil> Where is this button found?
[19:51] <arko> habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/
[19:51] <arko> dropdown on the B's
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[19:54] <SA6BSS> Nice ad :)
[19:57] <maxmed> I'm trying to "borrow" the part of this code: http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/guides:ublox6 that sets the ublox in flight mode but get an error message saying that sendUBX is not declared in this scope. Is it defined in an odd place?
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> Holy shit that is cool
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[20:16] <mikestir> maxmed: it's further down
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[20:36] <amell> jededu: sorry to hear about your non-recovery. How high was the tree canopy?
[20:40] <DL1SGP> over here we tend to ask T5 Geocachers for help if one of our payloads gets stuck in a tree out of our range. They like tree-climbing and often are willing to help.
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[20:58] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/151683_trj001.gif
[20:58] <Laurenceb__> looks like UK
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[21:07] <simium> mfa298: why did the 3-resistor arrangement in http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2 was discarded?
[21:08] <Upu> PWM was a neater solution
[21:08] <Upu> more flexible
[21:08] <Upu> less components
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[21:24] <amell> Wondering if B-63 will enter the US
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[21:29] Action: amell notes that B-63 distance flown is 24035km and B-64 is 23645km
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[21:30] <DL7AD> how did you find out?
[21:30] <amell> makes a mockery of current amateur record of 9977km
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[21:30] <amell> by clicking on the track in the mobile tracker. yet another superb lz1dev enhancement presumably.
[21:31] <carl_byr> Qualatex balloon is made of polyester nylon and pe, the external layer is polyester or polyethylene?
[21:31] <simium> Thanks, Upu, seems right
[21:33] <carl_byr> Is there better floating balloons than silver party qualatex?
[21:33] <amell> yes, Leoballs
[21:34] <amell> B-63 has now been flying 17 days as of 18 minutes ago.
[21:34] <carl_byr> Leo balloons are own balloons?
[21:34] <carl_byr> Custom envelopes?
[21:34] <amell> Leo balloons are special and are not for public consumption
[21:35] <carl_byr> Made of?
[21:35] <amell> atomic waste, probably.
[21:36] Nick change: M0JSN -> jonsowman
[21:36] Action: amell fears B-66 is now lost. has exceeded all tracks available in the original hysplit.
[21:36] <LeoBodnar> how come? [22:34] <amell> B-63 has now been flying 17 days as of 18 minutes ago.
[21:37] <LeoBodnar> it has been launched 8/7/14 06:53
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[21:37] <amell> LeoBodnar:youre right. the mobile tracker gave me different date.
[21:38] <amell> 19 days, 15 hours, 45 minutes
[21:38] <carl_byr> What are you using? Are you selling balloons? Any plan to sell?
[21:39] <LeoBodnar> not yet, i'm in the middle of experimenting
[21:39] <amell> I think the telemetry slide out at the bottom of the mobile tracker is struggling with the amount of data. Might be my browser.
[21:40] <LeoBodnar> good job we don't live on Jupiter
[21:40] <malclocke> LeoBodnar, at what point do you consider the experiments successful? circumnavigation? ;)
[21:40] <amell> leobodnar: ^^lol
[21:41] <carl_byr> Are you using metallized balloons?
[21:41] <carl_byr> Similar to qualatex?
[21:41] <amell> bit of an anticlimax in more ways than one - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-28490744
[21:45] <DL1SGP> carl_byr: http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/ a history of Leo's flights and some nice images :)
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[21:46] <Maxell> PE2BZ PC1PCL mikestir yes that would be marcel_ testing :)
[21:47] <Maxell> Oh both gone...
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[21:51] <Maxell> Might hook them up for tracking since I wont be able to! :(
[21:53] <jarod> Maxell
[21:53] <jarod> sdr# http://x264.nl/dump/frequencies.xml
[21:53] <jarod> got any cool freqs to add for that?
[21:54] <fsphil> 0hz is pretty cold
[21:55] <Maxell> jarod: 27,555 MHz is dx freq for freebanders
[21:56] <jarod> ya know that, not so interesting.... might all add "off" band channels lateron...
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[21:56] <Maxell> ehhe
[21:57] <Maxell> Personally I like APRS. Those are on 144,8 MHz and 430,5125 MHz
[21:57] <Maxell> NFM afsk1200... Decode with something like qtmm http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmm/
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[21:59] <jarod> didn't i add those?
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[21:59] <Boelle_DK> Maxell: send you a pm... hope its ok
[22:00] <jarod> Maxell MASSIVE thunder over the sea
[22:00] <jarod> lightning.. a lot of seconds later... rumble
[22:00] <jarod> but so loud... could feel the bass wave here :O
[22:01] <fsphil> aww
[22:01] <Maxell> jarod: ah yes I see now
[22:01] <fsphil> send it here
[22:01] <Boelle_DK> yep... me wants biiiiig thunder BOOOM too
[22:02] <DL1SGP> heh
[22:03] <Maxell> jarod: huge list is huge... However no http://pi6hgl.nl/ 1298,2 MHz
[22:04] <jarod> Maxell not yet been able to see anything there yet :
[22:04] <jarod> :)
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[22:04] <jarod> all done manually :)
[22:04] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/152008_trj001.gif
[22:04] <Laurenceb__> almost all now heading to UK
[22:04] <jarod> Laurenceb_ which noaa is that?
[22:05] <LeoBodnar> still no GFS05 ?
[22:05] <Laurenceb__> what is GFS05?
[22:06] <Laurenceb__> jarod: 12UTC
[22:06] <Laurenceb__> 18UTC should be out soon
[22:06] <Maxell> jarod: HAB from The Hague soon @ 434,650 MHz
[22:07] <Maxell> jarod: keep an eye on the chat marcel_ was testing today again
[22:07] <jarod> soon = ?
[22:07] <snelly> Does anybody here admin the UKHAS list?
[22:07] <Maxell> jarod: weekend 9 and 10? Not sure... marcel_ is flying it
[22:07] <snelly> I'm trying to figure out if my post went through
[22:08] <Reb-SM0ULC> evening!
[22:08] <Laurenceb__> oh 0.5degree
[22:09] <marcel_> hi
[22:09] <marcel_> yes, I'm doing a battery test
[22:09] <Laurenceb__> VE2RHX-3 looks well positioned
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[22:11] <Laurenceb__> should have aprs until midday tomorrow
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[22:17] <Maxell> marcel_: eheheh PE2BZ freaked out and thought it was a crashed balloon
[22:23] <marcel_> uhm...
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[22:26] <marcel_> I missed the panic, sorry for that, it is a test on my balcony
[22:29] <N2NXZ> No packets received here,too far North for me to grab.Maybe B-63 will be closer.
[22:29] <Maxell> hehehe no problem
[22:31] <Maxell> marcel_: I tell you I am still amazed by the fact that being on the balcony produces these kind of results.
[22:31] <Maxell> *jealous* :)
[22:33] <Maxell> It would make amateur radio much more fun on those heights
[22:39] <marcel_> Naaldwijk is also direct line of sight
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[22:40] <cm13g09> that awkward moment you realise that a bag of parts you need aren't in the same house as you..... let alone the same county.....
[22:40] <marcel_> maybe you can hang an antenna under a tethered balloon...
[22:40] <marcel_> at 200 m
[22:41] <fsphil> better than that ackward moment you realise you're in the wrong house
[22:41] <cm13g09> fsphil: true....
[22:42] <cm13g09> 10 years ago, I wouldn't have had a problem finding spares either
[22:42] <cm13g09> since said part was usually on the back of every hard disk
[22:42] <cm13g09> yep, I'm after 2-pin jumpers
[22:42] <Maxell> marcel_: yeah I have some plans to get something under a drone of a Revspace participant... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JkuUWD9wZI
[22:42] <fsphil> I (and probably many others) have a tray full of 2-pin jumpers
[22:43] <fsphil> I used to take them out of PCs and drives before dumping them
[22:43] <cm13g09> so do I....
[22:43] <Maxell> marcel_: 200+ meters no problem amazing radio reception ofc.
[22:43] <fsphil> lol
[22:43] <cm13g09> but it's not near me....
[22:43] <cm13g09> in fact it's about 120 miles away!
[22:43] <cm13g09> mfa298: still around?
[22:44] <cm13g09> I'll have a rummage in the office tomorrow I think, fsphil
[22:44] <cm13g09> being an IT company.....
[22:44] <fsphil> do you have a computer graveyard?
[22:44] <marcel_> maxell: wow that is very nice video. very steady
[22:44] <fsphil> we used to have a shelf where all the old PCs would go
[22:44] <fsphil> handy for finding scrap parts
[22:45] <cm13g09> fsphil: kinda... we *had* an HDD graveyard about 3 or 4 weeks ago
[22:45] <mfa298> cm13g09: around briefly
[22:45] <cm13g09> mfa298: got any 2-pin jumpers I can steal off you at some point soon>
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[22:45] <mfa298> I think I have a decent collection somewhere.
[22:45] <cm13g09> somewhere....
[22:45] <cm13g09> that's the operative word
[22:46] <cm13g09> I have a collection *somewhere*
[22:46] <mfa298> assuming you mean the things to go on a 2 pin header.
[22:46] <cm13g09> yep
[22:46] <cm13g09> the ones off the back of old HDDs
[22:46] <marcel_> maxwell: I wanted to do a tranmission test from the top of that same building today, but plans changed
[22:46] <cm13g09> back when Master and Slave was a thing
[22:46] <mfa298> I think in one of the boxes of useful components / screws. In which case I can find them fairly quickly (although probably not until tomorrow)
[22:47] <Maxell> marcel_: yep it's amazing hardware
[22:47] <cm13g09> mfa298: that's fine
[22:47] <cm13g09> next week or so will do me
[22:47] <mfa298> Failing that I think I still have a couple of old IDE drives which might have some that can be stolen
[22:47] <cm13g09> I'll try the office tomorrow
[22:48] <cm13g09> I ordered 100 a while back
[22:48] <cm13g09> (MoQ on Farnell)
[22:48] <cm13g09> left them in Essex
[22:48] <mfa298> I suspect there's a whole load around the office in one of the pallet loads of junk but that could be a dangerous place to look for things.
[22:48] <fsphil> you may be the first person to ever buy them
[22:49] <cm13g09> fsphil: lol yeah
[22:49] <cm13g09> I ran out
[22:49] <cm13g09> because I use them a LOT
[22:49] <fsphil> I can imagine the farnell office
[22:49] <fsphil> "Oh crap .. quick guys, find the old PCs!"
[22:49] <cm13g09> lol
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[22:50] <cm13g09> fsphil: Farnell have learned that I am not a helpful customer
[22:50] <cm13g09> as I will, on a regular basis, order things at 7:30 PM
[22:50] <cm13g09> at which point they usually have no option by to UPS it
[22:54] <mfa298> just checked (or almost tripped over) the box I thought they might be in and I've got a decent collection of them.
[22:54] <mfa298> I can probably drop some around after work sometime this week.
[22:55] <cm13g09> you star mfa298
[22:55] <mfa298> damn, and I failed there. It's not tomorrow yet
[22:56] <cm13g09> lol
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[22:57] <Laurenceb__> heading for Manicouagan crater
[22:58] <mattbrejza> the landing sit eof the first american pico
[22:58] <Laurenceb__> lolz
[23:02] <cm13g09> right
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[23:02] <Laurenceb__> 18UTC forecast is out
[23:03] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/152057_trj001.gif
[23:03] <marcel_> I just put new batteries in 'ALMA-0' now for another battery test, and go to sleep. cu all
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[23:04] <LeoBodnar> 4 days woo!
[23:04] <carl_byr> Qualatex balloon is made of polyester nylon and pe, the external layer is polyester or polyethylene?
[23:04] <Reb-SM0ULC> Laurenceb__: exciting week to come :) nn
[23:06] <mattbrejza> every hysplit over the last few days seems to show the uk at the end of the trace
[23:06] <mattbrejza> its not getting any nearer...
[23:06] <Laurenceb__> erm its only 2.5days
[23:08] <mattbrejza> at least this one has it going over greenland
[23:08] <mattbrejza> i hope they have gps
[23:08] <mattbrejza> *aprs
[23:08] <Laurenceb__> they dont lol
[23:08] <Laurenceb__> couple of boats that all
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[23:09] <mattbrejza> :(
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[23:21] <Maxell> marcel_: "Parsing [ascii] '$$ALMA-0,99,23:20:08,52.080289,4.325727,75,7,22,2792,08,PECULIAR*094B\n' from RevSpace"
[23:21] <Maxell> We are also RXing :)
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[23:25] <Maxell> marcel_: hehe http://i.sigio.nl/952bdb99f2f9810af1f07ae3e8eedea8.png
[23:25] <Maxell> Strong signal is strong
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[23:33] <SpeedEvil> Rand Simberg @Rand_Simberg 1m
[23:33] <SpeedEvil> @JustIncidentals No more water landings. And Spaceport America has cost more and taken longer than expected. @flspacereport @spacecom
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[23:34] <SpeedEvil> (about SpaceX) - they're doing it onto a barge
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[23:37] <LeoBodnar> ashes to ashes funk to funky we know Major Tom's a junkie
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[23:41] <marcel_> maxell: if you can see my payload you must also see my wifi...
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[23:43] <Maxell> marcel_: 70cm behaves different then 2,4 ghz but yes in theory we could seet up a visual/optic link
[23:45] <Maxell> Well, not too sure... I can see het strijkijzer but more to the right there is some blockage https://revspace.nl/images/c/c3/4mcwHHD.png
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[23:49] <marcel_> top floor of the 'Strijkijzer' looks like a good place to do a long distance test. Best we got so far, with our own DVTB receivers, is from my house to the 'MegaStores', but that is only 2 km
[23:50] <marcel_> all the nice spots on the dunes are blocked from direct view
[23:51] <Maxell> Long distance from the Strijkijzer is easy :P
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[23:53] <Maxell> marcel_: I made contact with the PI3UTR repeater from here https://www.google.nl/maps/place/NH+Atlantic/@52.070858,4.223094,3a,15y,350.97h,98.81t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1stJB_NBnAofQAAAQJLDyDRQ!2e0!3e11!4m2!3m1!1s0x47c5b1b4761357cb:0x9ba94704f5ded1d4
[23:53] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/152306_trj001.gif
[23:53] <Laurenceb__> looks like wednesday still
[23:53] <mattbrejza> for both?
[23:53] <Laurenceb__> no, B-63 does another loop
[23:54] <mattbrejza> lol silly thing
[23:54] <mattbrejza> go in a straight line
[23:54] <Maxell> PI3UTR is in de Gerbrandy Toren, IJsselstein at ±350 meters high
[23:54] <marcel_> maxell: I think I was on the same spot last Friday. But no signal from my house
[23:55] <marcel_> It is a nice hill
[23:55] <Maxell> Ok, weird.
[23:56] <Maxell> However they have 20 watts, your setup only about 25 milliwatts
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[23:57] <amell> where is this ALMA? cant see it on SNUS
[23:58] <Laurenceb__> wait B-63 changed
[23:58] <Maxell> amell: it's in The Hague, testing.
[23:58] <marcel_> maxell: actuallym it seems we were a bit more north https://www.google.nl/maps/@52.0776815,4.2361812,70m/data=!3m1!1e3
[23:59] <Laurenceb__> arriving a few hours after B-64
[23:59] <marcel_> amell: alma is testing at home
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