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[03:13] <mightymik> ok... somebody needs to put up a Rob Ford bobblehead on a GoPro equipped balloon
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[08:36] <on4bhm> anyone got source code on howto send contestia?
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[08:38] <on4bhm> m
[08:38] <LeoBodnar> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/blob/master/src/contestia/contestia.cxx
[08:41] <amell> storms on saturday, anyone want to launch a video payload&?
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[08:43] <amell> leobodnar: congrats on passing vladivostok :)
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[08:46] <fsphil> some nice storms in england atm
[08:46] <fsphil> the one heading for me has stopped about 80km away
[08:46] <amell> Latest B-64 hysplit : http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_111956&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html
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[08:47] <amell> blue is 12500m track
[08:47] <amell> green is 13500m track
[08:48] <LeoBodnar> ta!
[08:49] <qyx_> green? does they change color on every load?
[08:49] <amell> just rerun with 13000m. both 13000 and 13500m are headed for arko.
[08:50] <qyx_> ah, i said nothing
[08:50] <LeoBodnar> you need to specify AMSL not AGL amell
[08:50] <amell> ok. please hold....
[08:50] <LeoBodnar> for levels
[08:51] <Reb-SM0ULC> cool with m0xer-4 !!
[08:52] <amell> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_112264&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html revised
[08:52] <amell> actually. scratch that
[08:52] <amell> something is cached
[08:52] <DL7AD> got a lot of russian contacts in my contact list: http://dl7ad.de/hab_contacts/user.php :)
[08:54] <Reb-SM0ULC> DL7AD: :)
[08:54] <mikestir-work> hmm I see a potential reason for the lack of conference turnout
[08:54] <DL7AD> lunch: http://pontu.eenet.ee/player/zivju-erglis.html
[08:55] <mikestir-work> http://www.networkrail.co.uk/improvements/west-coast-main-line/
[08:56] <Reb-SM0ULC> DL7AD: good to have a timer with 1/1000s.. :)
[08:56] <amell> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_112634&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html this one is definately correct. I cleared all inputs and did it again
[08:57] <amell> 192 hours forecast. I guess we need to wait 8 days to see if B64 reaches US.
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[09:14] <Reb-SM0ULC> LeoBodnar: you have some extra tools to track your balloons via aprs?
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[09:18] <LeoBodnar> Reb-SM0ULC: no, I have APRS transmitter and then a script that imports data from APRS-IS to spacenear.us
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[09:25] <on4bhm> has source code of contestia been ported to arduino yet?
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[09:36] <mikestir-work> on4bhm: it's highly dependent on the radio you use
[09:36] <mikestir-work> I have a portable C implementation but it needs an si4x6x type radio
[09:37] <on4bhm> NTX2b-FA
[09:37] <on4bhm> why does it so?
[09:38] <mikestir-work> well to do it properly the channel spacing is supposed to be exactly related to the symbol rate, which is best achieved by using the PLL
[09:38] <mikestir-work> you can do it using a DAC/PWM, but I suspect the performance suffers
[09:39] <mikestir-work> I guess you'd have to do it that way to make it work on NTX2B, even the FA one
[09:39] <LeoBodnar> i have non-portable, linear, uncommented assembly code
[09:40] <mikestir-work> LeoBodnar: do you do it by programming the PLL or by frequency pulling?
[09:40] <on4bhm> who has the source code of the assembly?
[09:40] <LeoBodnar> which was the whole point of doing it
[09:40] <LeoBodnar> PLL of course
[09:40] <mikestir-work> did Upu do it using a DAC or did he only do dominoex?
[09:40] <on4bhm> so what are you guys saying: it will not be possible with ntx2b-fa ?
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[09:41] <mikestir-work> on4bhm: I'm not convinced it would be, no. I think the tone spacing accuracy is quite critical
[09:41] <on4bhm> is it so different from doninoEx16?
[09:44] <mikestir-work> dominoex should have the same tone accuracy requirements for optimal performance, so if others can verify that works with a DAC/NTX2 then you may get away with it
[09:45] <on4bhm> i have some sample code for dominoEx16, but have to adjust 1 resistor value... shall play with it this weekend
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[09:46] <on4bhm> the big question of all.... will it still work at -30 or 40°c ?
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[09:51] <jededu> Has anyone launched a balloon into a storm /
[09:51] <jededu> Thunder
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[09:53] <jededu> I might try it tomorrow 100g pawan
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[10:13] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon did i think
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[10:37] <mfa298> amell: reading scrollback you're about 10 hours too late a few of us were discussing launching in a storm last night. We had a super one around Southampton last night)
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[10:39] <mattbrejza> there was another one at some point during the night too?
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[10:41] <mfa298> I went to sleep when it all died down around 1am (or at least went around the other side of the building so I was no longer aware of it.
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[10:42] <ibanezmatt13> That 777's maiden flight was on my actual birthday in 97, and crashed on my birthday yesterday... exactly 17 years, and it was MH17, wow :/
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[10:46] <LeoBodnar> Lost II
[10:46] <Reb-SM0ULC> night at m0xer-4
[10:48] <gonzo___> the lightning was pretty big down by me. I got woken by a flash, which got through the curtains and closed eye lids
[10:49] <mfa298> a couple of people managed to get pictures of it by the looks of things http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/11350642.Storms_rock_Hampshire_overnight/
[10:50] <mfa298> it seemed to be slow moving and heading east (and I wasn't aware of any rain with it)
[10:50] <mattbrejza> there was some short bursts of rain
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[11:14] <Laurenceb> http://uk.mouser.com/new/Taiyo-Yuden/taiyo-yuden-lithium-ion-capacitors/
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[11:18] <Laurenceb> looks like less than an order of magnitude worse than lipo battery
[11:18] <Laurenceb> for energy density
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[11:27] <LeoBodnar> do they still need taking care of? as in not discharging below 2v, etc
[11:27] <Laurenceb> yeah
[11:28] <Laurenceb> and electrolyte freezes at -45C
[11:28] <Laurenceb> dunno if its useful
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[11:29] <Laurenceb> a small one might work to lower ESR
[11:29] <Laurenceb> but 3.8v max voltage is annoying
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[11:32] <Tramvai> Hey guys.
[11:33] <Tramvai> I once saw a guy (Dave I think?) advertising his stripboard that had 3 holes bridges together, throughout the board
[11:33] <Tramvai> What would it be called? I tried searching for it on ebay, but found nothing alike.
[11:33] <mattbrejza> tripad iirc
[11:35] <Tramvai> Would there be any on ebay? Tripad finds nothing
[11:36] <mattbrejza> perhaps not then
[11:36] <mattbrejza> (the name)
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[11:36] <adamgreig> it's usually also called stripboard or protoboard
[11:37] <Tramvai> The name is correct Matt
[11:37] <Tramvai> Thanks for it
[11:37] <Tramvai> But the chinese don't have that extensive vocabulary
[11:37] <Tramvai> They usually stick with 'hot seller arduino board free shipping many hole'
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[12:39] <Laurenceb> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/121679_trj001.gif
[12:40] <Laurenceb> looks like usa
[12:43] <moriarty> nublets
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[13:12] <on4bhm> has anyone an online source for making super thin printboards cheap?
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[13:22] <IRC_ukhas> afternoon
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[13:23] <LeoBodnar> what's superthin?
[13:24] <LeoBodnar> COB
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[13:24] <LeoBodnar> chip-on-balloon
[13:29] <on4bhm> what is chip on balloon? no print?
[13:34] <Laurenceb> flexipcb?
[13:35] <on4bhm> i'm looking for print makers, who can use a print that is super light
[13:36] <LeoBodnar> superlight?
[13:37] <LeoBodnar> is regular PCB too heavy?
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[13:47] <on4bhm> anyone used arduino mini pro to use in float balloon?
[13:51] <mfa298> people have floated other similar microprocessor boards (even if they didn't plan to)
[13:51] <mfa298> the key for a floating flight it as light weight as possible and to have minimal lift.
[13:52] <mfa298> heavier pico payloads will float lower so probably wont go as far as the air seems to be more turbulent (probably more weather etc)
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[14:34] <pd3t> hmm i though spava was planned to air this afternoon.
[14:42] <on4bhm> i think i will try a arduino mini with foil balloon in rtty to start with
[14:43] <on4bhm> how can i get my flight into fldigi?
[14:43] <on4bhm> do i have to announce it somewhere?
[14:49] <adamgreig> http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[14:54] <on4bhm> thanks
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[15:14] <astrobiologist> killing time in a McD
[15:14] <astrobiologist> wish I was building a HAB instead
[15:15] <astrobiologist> which is a roundabout way of asking: what are some good, hopefully free, PCB design suites?
[15:15] <jededu> eagle :)
[15:15] <fsphil> kicad and eagle
[15:15] <astrobiologist> I am soldering up my intermediate radio exam project and it works but looks like something out of a tetsuo movie
[15:16] <astrobiologist> no matter how hard I tried to put the components down rationally - so I thought maybe I would jump to PCBs instead
[15:16] <zyp> eagle is ok
[15:16] <astrobiologist> windows? linux?
[15:16] <fsphil> kicad is improving all the time
[15:16] <zyp> eagle runs on anything
[15:16] <fsphil> eagle as better tutorials
[15:17] <mfa298> same is supposedly true of kicad although it seems to be broken in the latest ubuntu
[15:17] <jededu> I am building a hab :) for launch tomorrow hopefully if the storm comes over
[15:17] <mfa298> yay for OS's with long term support that start out having dodgy packages \o/
[15:17] <adamgreig> astrobiologist: yea use kicad
[15:17] <adamgreig> it's great
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[15:18] <astrobiologist> so you basically design your circuit, press go, and a (multilayer?) pcb design is created that you can send off to a bureau somewhere?
[15:18] <adamgreig> uh
[15:18] <adamgreig> you have to design the PCB too
[15:18] <mfa298> I did come accross something that would take the netlist from kicad and help you lay stuff out on stripboard. However I decided it was easier to just get the soldering iron out instead.
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[15:19] <mattbrejza> astrobiologist: just draw a circuit for a 555 timer blinking led thing, and see what its like to route
[15:19] <astrobiologist> I was thinking there must be some sort of "shortest paths, fewest crossing paths" sort of algorithm
[15:19] <zyp> there are
[15:19] <zyp> it's called autorouting
[15:20] <adamgreig> it's awful
[15:20] <adamgreig> don't bother
[15:20] <zyp> usually it doesn't control where to put parts though, so you'll have to do that first
[15:20] <adamgreig> kicad can even try to place parts for you
[15:20] <adamgreig> but just don't
[15:20] <zyp> and yes, the results are usually horrible
[15:20] <mattbrejza> astrobiologist: try routing by hand first
[15:20] <mattbrejza> dont just assume itll be har
[15:20] <mattbrejza> d
[15:20] <adamgreig> it's not hard
[15:20] <adamgreig> it's like playing join the dots
[15:20] <astrobiologist> bother... circuit diagrams look so rational but don't really transfer, onto matrix boars anyway
[15:20] <astrobiologist> boards
[15:20] <adamgreig> it's hard when you have high spec stuff going fast or whatever
[15:21] <adamgreig> astrobiologist: well they transfer quite nicely onto pcb
[15:21] <astrobiologist> Adamgreig do you mainly use multilayer pcbs? obviously that makes crossing paths etc easier to deal witha.
[15:22] <zyp> yes, no point in singlelayer nowadays
[15:22] <zyp> two-layer pcbs are more or less as cheap as single-layer pcbs now
[15:22] <adamgreig> yea, assuming you're having them made professionally (at like $1/PCB you might as well) then two layer is easy
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[15:22] <adamgreig> I'd avoid four layers for a while, they're generally much more involved
[15:22] <mattbrejza> astrobiologist: how about i unroute a board and you see how easy it is to route? :P
[15:22] <adamgreig> you don't just route signals all over four layers. and they're a chunk more expensive to produce
[15:22] <adamgreig> but on two layers it's easy to cross signals and stuff
[15:23] <zyp> doing double sided yourself is also easy
[15:23] <adamgreig> less easy than single sided
[15:23] <adamgreig> alignment and vias are a pest
[15:23] <zyp> and four layer boards is way easier than two layer boards
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[15:23] <adamgreig> it is if you know what you're doing and use actual power planes
[15:23] <adamgreig> it's still more expensive
[15:23] <zyp> since you don't have to care about ground integrity once you have a dedicated ground plane
[15:24] <mfa298> only thing to consider with gettign a PCB made is how long it will be until you get it. If this is being done in time for the conference you need to get it designed, made and soldered in 4 weeks.
[15:25] <zyp> the problem with eagle is that you'll only get two layers in the free version
[15:25] <adamgreig> not its only problem
[15:26] <zyp> true, it's also tedious compared to more expensive tools
[15:26] <astrobiologist> define expensive zyp? What else is out there?
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[15:26] <astrobiologist> mfa298: not in any great hurry, want to get through my intermediate first
[15:26] <zyp> I'm referring to altium, as that's what I have experience with aside from eagle
[15:27] <mfa298> astrobiologist: my main thought was if you were thinking of doing a PCB as part of the solering exercise for the intermediate (assuming you're still doing that at the conference)
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[15:29] <astrobiologist> mfa298 I was going to solder a qrp kit but it just hasn't turned up. I needed to make a vfo for the calibration assignment, which was a lot of tears even on a breadboard, so I am going to solder that (haphazardly!)
[15:30] <zyp> I designed this thing in eagle: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/eaiEM.png http://bin.jvnv.net/f/Mv7rw.JPG
[15:31] <astrobiologist> I got it working on a matrix board with wirewrap last night. Looks horrible though, some components directly connecting to the leads of others and some to veropins
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[15:32] <zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/r1ChW.JPG <- but I think I spent less time designing this in altium
[15:34] <mattbrejza> FPGA + SRAM or micro + SRAM? (the eagle one)
[15:34] <qyx_> despite being dumb, eagle is quite usable for many tasks
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[15:35] <qyx_> zyp: has it worked finally? :P
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[15:36] <zyp> mattbrejza, micro
[15:36] <mfa298> mattbrejza: There's some impressive photos from last night on DE now http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/photographs/news_galleries/storm_july_2014/20/
[15:36] <zyp> the other is fpga
[15:36] <mattbrejza> ive also decided i want to attach SRAM to a stm32
[15:36] <zyp> actually, it's micro and sdram
[15:36] <mattbrejza> and have become annoyed at the 100pin version not having the full FSMC
[15:36] <astrobiologist> catch you later, thanks for the advice
[15:36] <mattbrejza> oh, the PSRAM?
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[15:36] <zyp> no, normal sdram
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[15:37] <zyp> lpc43xx contains a full sdram contoller
[15:37] <zyp> as do stm32f42x, by the way
[15:37] <mattbrejza> oh right
[15:37] <mattbrejza> hmm
[15:37] <mattbrejza> i was looking at the f217, but then noticed the f417 is the same price
[15:37] <mattbrejza> so f42x is only a small step...
[15:38] <zyp> f41x is f40x with crypto
[15:38] <mattbrejza> something else to look at anyway
[15:39] <mattbrejza> any idea whether you can get away with a 100pin f42x with sdram?
[15:40] <zyp> sorry, no idea
[15:40] <mattbrejza> ok ill check
[15:41] <zyp> I think the datasheet has some quick reference tables for supported combinations in either of the packages
[15:42] <mattbrejza> 'for 100 pin only bank1 and 2 is avaliable'
[15:42] <mattbrejza> which dont support sdram
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[15:55] <mattbrejza> zyp: from a usage point of view, is sdram the same as sram?
[15:55] <LeoBodnar> neat http://www.jma.go.jp/en/gms/largec.html?area=0&element=0&mode=UTC
[15:59] <zyp> mattbrejza, what do you mean by usage?
[15:59] <moriarty> "Asked how they felt the Dutch government should react to the tragedy, Van den Akker said: "What happened was awful, and we are all thinking of the victims. But we are not going to call for the government to go and catch the perpetrators or go to war. We are not America.""
[15:59] <zyp> the answer is most likely «no»
[16:00] <mattbrejza> for example on a pc, the dram is slower and is generally transfered to cache and used from there
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[16:00] <zyp> sdram has much higher latency than sram
[16:01] <zyp> so you'd want to have a cache between if it's going to be accessed a lot
[16:01] <zyp> and cache is usually sram
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[16:01] <mattbrejza> ok
[16:01] <moriarty> "The welfare of animals at London zoo is being put at risk by drunken visitors at its Friday night parties, including one incident in which a man poured beer over a tiger before being thrown out by staff."
[16:01] <mattbrejza> probably best i just read the datasheet
[16:02] <zyp> the latency is partly because sdram is burst access, so you're loading like 16 bytes at a time
[16:04] <mattbrejza> so you should transfer blocks into the sram as you need them (if being used a lot), but if you were to just write a byte to dram it would do it without complaining, the latency is just higher
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[16:05] <adamgreig> for the amount of ram you need i'd have thought sram would still be cheap enough and faster and probably easier
[16:05] <moriarty> "One zookeeper at the penguin beach was asked by a man leaning over the glass barrier, Which penguin can I fight? while another zookeeper radioed a colleague to say a few people had been a bit touchy feely with the baby penguins."
[16:06] <mattbrejza> yea sram is fine
[16:06] <mattbrejza> dram is cheaper, but the stm is more expensive
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[16:07] <mattbrejza> lets keep things "simple"
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[16:10] <astrobiologist> continuing pcb design vein... how about PCB Wizard Pro?
[16:11] <mattbrejza> no-one will be able to help you with that one
[16:11] <zyp> never heard about it, so it can't be good
[16:11] <moriarty> http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/architecture-design-blog/2014/jul/09/worlds-first-indoor-city-dubai-mall-of-the-world
[16:11] <mattbrejza> also why use it over eagle?
[16:11] <mattbrejza> as pro = money
[16:11] <mattbrejza> eagle = free (for what you want)
[16:11] <astrobiologist> just wondered.Maplin was flogging it, £50
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[16:12] <astrobiologist> how about the online pcb design sites, usually linked to bureaus?
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[16:15] <mattbrejza> youre unlikely to get a meaningful comment about anything other than kicad or eagle
[16:15] <mattbrejza> or that expensive one
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[16:15] <adamgreig> not worth paying money for one, and definitely not at this stage, and if you did, buy altrium
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[16:15] <astrobiologist> well that settles it then mattbrejza and adamgrieg :-)
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[16:16] <qyx_> for like $5000
[16:16] <mattbrejza> you buying altrium then?
[16:16] <qyx_> *altium
[16:16] <astrobiologist> it is always good to know what is cowpoo in the eyes of experts and then work back from there
[16:17] <astrobiologist> the only complication is that a lot of stuff I do illicitly on my ipad and not on a computer
[16:17] <astrobiologist> masses of ipad cad apps etc
[16:18] <astrobiologist> so an ipad pcb designer or an online tool would've been nice
[16:18] <qyx_> i hope you are not going to do layouts on ipad
[16:18] <astrobiologist> but if it doesn't exist then it doesn't exist
[16:18] <adamgreig> suspect it exists
[16:18] <adamgreig> http://easyeda.com/
[16:18] <astrobiologist> adamgreig plenty of online designers, usually incorporated into pcb bureuas
[16:18] <adamgreig> online schematic and pcb, and they'll export gerbers so get manufactured whever you want
[16:20] <astrobiologist> thanks adamgrieg might give it a go for something simple
[16:20] <adamgreig> i'd still recommend kicad on a desktop
[16:21] <adamgreig> but yea, have a play and make your own midn up
[16:21] <mattbrejza> not sure how you can do anything meaningful on an ipad
[16:22] <astrobiologist> mattbrejza people keep trying, look at something like cadbox
[16:22] <mattbrejza> must take forever
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[16:23] <astrobiologist> not ideal but basically I only get to work during my commute with ipad on lap
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[17:43] <Reb-SM0ULC> godd evening
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[17:47] <Laurenceb> if someone was asking about flexipcb
[17:47] <Laurenceb> http://imall.iteadstudio.com/open-pcb/pcb-prototyping/2layer-flexible-printed-circuits-fpc-5cm-x-5cm-max.html
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[18:27] <Reb-SM0ULC> sun shining on little m0xer-4 !
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> hi DL7AD
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[18:46] <DL7AD> hi Lunar_Lander
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[19:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Ouch big lightning storm about to Sussex!!
[19:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Glad I'm not there!!!
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[19:13] <mfa298> Geoff-G8DHE-m: there was a good one last night that started in Dorset and slowly moved over Hampshire towards Sussex
[19:14] <mfa298> unfortunately no-one had a balloon and payload ready.
[19:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Yes I was at Exeter/Exmouth wild camping, we had a nice view!! Then later the wind cut up a bit rough as well!
[19:15] <Upu> http://www.blitzortung.org/ sounds like a geiger counter
[19:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> All my aerials connected of course at home so fingers crossed!
[19:16] <jededu> I will have a payload ready for tomorrow another storm hopefully
[19:16] <mfa298> there's a nice local detector at http://www.isleofwightweather.co.uk/live_storm_data.htm
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[19:16] <Herman-PB0AHX> G e all
[19:17] <jededu> But at the moment keeps loosing gps loc annoyingly
[19:19] <fsphil> oh nice a small storm near me too
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[19:20] <fsphil> that's a hell of a storm coming up on the south coast
[19:20] <mattbrejza> unfortinetly not heading our way
[19:20] <Upu> yeah that can stay away
[19:20] <jededu> How does it look for tomorrow
[19:20] <fsphil> there's a small one south of me heading straight for me
[19:20] <amell> Impressed at b64s nonchalant loop over japan
[19:20] <mattbrejza> angry
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[19:21] <jcoxon> fsphil, i'm in the path of that storm
[19:21] <amell> Has anyone in Japan received b64 on 434.500?
[19:21] <mfa298> local paper's online stuff was suggesting we're in for pretty much all forms of weather apart from sunshine tomorrow (Hampshire)
[19:22] <jededu> fsphil what data are you looking at
[19:22] <amell> I'm in my caravan in thetford forest
[19:22] <fsphil> jededu: http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=12
[19:22] <fsphil> I'm running a detector for that network
[19:22] <fsphil> it's picking up this storm pretty good
[19:22] <amell> So the weather had better be good tomorrow
[19:22] <mattbrejza> does it log a strike with a gps timestamp?
[19:23] <fsphil> it times the radio pulse against the pps signal
[19:23] <fsphil> uploads that along with my location
[19:23] <AndChat|8064> fsphil: which RX hardware are you using ?
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[19:23] <GadgetDroid> That's better
[19:23] <fsphil> it's the older version, has an atmega644p on it
[19:23] <jededu> Cool
[19:23] <mattbrejza> hehe avrs
[19:23] <NigeyS> fsphil if that storm hits me again i totally blame you p;
[19:23] <mattbrejza> how cute
[19:24] <number10> fsphil: raintoday radar is at max for rainfall on that storm
[19:24] <mattbrejza> are you the det3ector just to the west of that lake thing?
[19:24] <fsphil> yea that's me
[19:25] <GadgetDroid> Nice.
[19:25] <fsphil> heading out to take a look
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[19:26] <mattbrejza> http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page=3 lol the one with the stm32 dev board
[19:26] <GadgetDroid> I've wondered if you can do lightning detection with an SDR
[19:28] <mattbrejza> http://www.blitzortung.org/Documents/TOA_Blitzortung_RED.pdf?1405711401
[19:28] <mattbrejza> you can use your soundcar
[19:28] <mattbrejza> d
[19:32] <mattbrejza> their pcbs abuse split gnd planes
[19:32] <qyx_> not in TOA approach
[19:33] <qyx_> i did similar detector also using F4, also communicated with them
[19:33] <qyx_> but it turned out that they already did similar detector
[19:33] <qyx_> using F4 discovery
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[19:34] <mattbrejza> i would have thought they would have put the bare IC on the board by now
[19:34] <mattbrejza> although at least this way theres a programmer
[19:34] <mattbrejza> although bootloader
[19:34] <mattbrejza> so idk
[19:34] <qyx_> no, they are still using SPI ethernet instead of internal phy
[19:35] <qyx_> but new board was on their todo
[19:35] <qyx_> *internal mac
[19:35] <qyx_> with just external phy
[19:35] <mattbrejza> ah yea, enc28j60
[19:36] <qyx_> what, they also did the same with preamplifier
[19:36] <qyx_> single coax with DC + signal
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> blitzortung is a very interesting website
[19:37] <qyx_> my innovations are busted :/
[19:37] <qyx_> they have stolen all my dreams!
[19:38] <GadgetDroid> Power over coax isn't new :-)
[19:38] <qyx_> i know, but they used cat5 cabling with dedicated power
[19:38] <qyx_> also ignoring twisted pairs
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> grrrr [20:32] <mattbrejza> their pcbs abuse split gnd planes
[19:39] <gb73d> http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=12
[19:39] <gb73d> sounds like a geiger counter
[19:39] <mattbrejza> well seems to work well
[19:39] <mattbrejza> and some nice documentation
[19:40] <qyx_> mattbrejza: which pcb?
[19:40] <mattbrejza> been looking at http://www.blitzortung.org/Documents/TOA_Blitzortung_RED.pdf?1405711401
[19:40] <LeoBodnar> if design is reasonable even split ground plane won't completely ruin it
[19:40] <GadgetDroid> No doubting it's well documented.
[19:40] <mattbrejza> 'seems to work well' means the results on their website
[19:41] <qyx_> i don't call design reasonable if 90 degree tracks are used with square vias
[19:41] <qyx_> also DIP ethernet, pff
[19:42] <qyx_> although this web has been working for a long time
[19:42] <mattbrejza> actually not sure if split gnd plane or split poewr plane
[19:44] <gb73d> blitzortung is overheating my processors, it sounds like a very intense event
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[19:51] <mattbrejza> fsphil: does blitzortung have a public archieve?
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[19:53] <qyx_> i think no
[19:54] <qyx_> you have to provide some data to have access to history
[19:54] <mattbrejza> ok
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[19:54] <qyx_> eg. you need your own receiver
[19:54] <Rebounde2> mm¨
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[20:00] <tweetBot> @RoutetoSpace: Pico ballon B-64 launched by Leo Bodnar of #ukhas from uk, now flying over japan #AMSAT #amazing http://t.co/Eux6rqUgor
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[20:09] <jcoxon> storm just hit here
[20:09] <Upu> ping lz1dev
[20:09] <Upu> looks scary tbh
[20:11] <jcoxon> bbl if i survive
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[20:13] <sm0ulc> some problems with freenode network tonight?
[20:13] <Upu> no more than usual
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[20:22] <nigelvh> What's the deal with the "Custom foil" LeoBodnar's got going on for these impressively long flights.
[20:23] <nigelvh> Also, I assume it's TXing on the european APRS freq?
[20:24] <Upu> just a home made balloon
[20:24] <Upu> no its frequency agile and switches
[20:24] <Upu> its on the Japanese frequency now
[20:26] <nigelvh> So, if it were to magically make it across the pacific, it would switch to 144.39?
[20:27] <Upu> yes
[20:28] <Upu> and we would all have a small part
[20:28] <Upu> party
[20:28] <nigelvh> I expect that to happen then. I've been waiting for you guys to send one my way.
[20:28] <nigelvh> Aim for washington, but I won't mind a drive down to oregon or up to BC.
[20:30] <Upu> I don't think aiming comes into it :)
[20:31] <Laurenceb> it may head south over japan
[20:31] <nigelvh> Come now. You guys haven't gotten this down to a science yet?
[20:31] <Laurenceb> the good news is we will see it
[20:32] <Laurenceb> if it heads out across the pacific then there seem to be two possible paths
[20:32] <Laurenceb> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/121679_trj001.gif
[20:32] <Laurenceb> lower one is slower but Hawaii has aprs
[20:33] <nigelvh> Looks like it could pretty reasonably pass by washington though
[20:33] <Upu> seriously it will be amazing if it makes it across the Pacific
[20:33] <nigelvh> Washington has a good bit of APRS
[20:34] <nigelvh> Upu: Yes it would.
[20:34] <Upu> but hey why not
[20:35] <Upu> if at first you don't suceed try try and keep trying 65 times again
[20:35] <nigelvh> Hahahahaha
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[20:35] <nigelvh> But 66 times.. that's right out.
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> hi nigelvh :)
[20:37] <nigelvh> Howdy Lunar
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> and hi nosebleedkt
[20:38] <nigelvh> Lunar_Lander: Things are going pretty decent. Been out doing yard work today. Otherwise, normal working & living & working on random projects.
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> yeah same here
[20:41] <nigelvh> Lately my project focus has been on my Random Number Generator https://digitalnigel.com/wordpress/?p=1892
[20:41] <nigelvh> So, unfortunately, not terribly balloon related.
[20:41] <Upu> required though
[20:42] <nigelvh> Well, at this point, the board is done, it works. Now it's making a daemon for Linux/OSX that will collect the random data and shove it into your entropy pool.
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[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
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[20:48] <nigelvh> If you want to play with 132MB of raw random binary data, you can grab it here: http://digitalnigel.com/test.bin
[20:48] <nigelvh> I'm going back outside for more yard junk, but PM me if you wanna keep talking about it.
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[20:49] <nigelvh> Also, don't try to less or cat that file, it's raw binary, so it's full of control chars and other random crap. Can mess with your terminal session pretty good.
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[20:52] <astrobiologist> craaganybody tried upscaler?
[20:53] <astrobiologist> upverter I mean
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[21:08] <Reb-SM0ULC> Upu: what's the predicted transit-time?
[21:09] <astrobiologist> what is the main reason for shorts in crimped connectors?
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[21:10] <astrobiologist> I made one tonight and it looked great (SMA) but the pin and outer barrel were shorted somehow
[21:10] <LeoBodnar> stray strands
[21:15] <astrobiologist> LeoBodnar: I chopped it up to have another look and the inner core and sheath weren't shorting then. It's as though it was something to do with the crimp itself
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[21:17] <LeoBodnar> not sure, I have never crimped SMA
[21:17] <LeoBodnar> Where's Ed when you need him
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[21:22] <astrobiologist> I wondered perhaps if I put too much welly into the crimp and actually pinched the sheath somehow
[21:22] <astrobiologist> lots of lovely photos if anybody wants them
[21:22] <astrobiologist> ...of a failed SMA plug
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[21:23] <LeoBodnar> failure analysis is great
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[21:24] <astrobiologist> but circumnavigating the globe as the manufacturer of the world's greatest picos is possibly better?
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[21:27] <Upu> no idea Reb-SM0ULC
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[21:29] <LeoBodnar> heh horses for courses
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[21:50] <fsphil> well that storm turned out to be a bit pants
[21:50] <fsphil> it died before it got here
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[21:56] <LazyLeopard> Quite impressive one here. Saw a power pylon getting hit as I was driving home along the A2.
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[22:06] <Laurenceb> B-64 crawling along
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[22:10] <arko> winds are in favor of it reaching the us
[22:10] <arko> it just needs to keep floating
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> :) hope it will work
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[22:10] <arko> some days i like to imagine where all the Bs in the world ended up
[22:10] <arko> mostly are lonely and cold in the arctic
[22:11] <arko> or something
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:11] <fsphil> trees
[22:11] <fsphil> there's a B-tree out there somewhere
[22:12] <mikestir> they're probably in that big mysterious hole in siberia
[22:14] <LeoBodnar> How sad is this? http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/files/B-66_MH17.png
[22:15] <Laurenceb> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/149700_trj001.gif
[22:16] <fsphil> urg
[22:16] <Laurenceb> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/149818_trj001.gif
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[22:23] <Laurenceb> im not sure how isbaric its flight it
[22:23] <arko> :(
[22:23] <Laurenceb> *is
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[22:23] <mikestir> I would really like to know why determining the identity of those onboard MH17 wasn't an instantly accessible database query
[22:24] <LeoBodnar> you can see +-100m excusrions where it hits different airmass
[22:24] <LeoBodnar> i am not sure whether it is pressure or slow vertical air movement
[22:25] <Laurenceb> yeah
[22:25] <Laurenceb> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/150070_trj001.gif
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[22:26] <Laurenceb> hysplit seems to model atmospheric thickness
[22:26] <Laurenceb> so im not sure if we could just input the current altitude
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[22:31] <Laurenceb> interesting north/south pattern to the trajectories
[22:31] <Laurenceb> i think this is a standing wave phenomenon....
[22:32] <LeoBodnar> i understand that over land wind follows local features but over high seas...
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[22:33] <Laurenceb> http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/629341main_Earth_jet_stream.jpg
[22:34] <Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rossby_wave
[22:34] <Laurenceb> thats it
[22:34] <Laurenceb> the B-* trajectories make a really nice visualisation
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[23:14] <Ian_> mikestir [23:23] I agree, someone probably was considering that it was 'personal data' - standard excuse for not being able to do something simply logical.
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[23:42] <Peter__> test test test
[23:42] <DL7AD> successful
[23:42] <Peter__> test test test
[23:42] <arko> you just interneted
[23:45] <Peter__> If it were so that all can be of it?
[23:45] <Peter__> Suitable.
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[23:45] <Peter__> Hi, Htbrdd.
[23:45] <Htbrdd> Hello
[23:45] <Peter__> Hello.
[23:49] <Peter__> If it were so that all can be of it?
[23:53] <Darkside> If it were so that all can be of it?
[23:54] <Peter__> I'm not sure, one way or another.
[23:54] <Darkside> Ok.
[23:55] <fsphil> xD
[23:55] <Peter__> So it's a yes then?
[23:56] <Darkside> No
[23:56] <Peter__> I'm sorry you feel that way.
[23:56] <arko> haha
[23:56] <Darkside> Eliza?
[23:56] <arko> you are being very unreasonable
[23:57] <arko> \0
[23:58] <Peter__> How am I unreasonable
[23:58] <arko> \0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"""'''
[23:58] <fsphil> +++ATH
[23:58] <Peter__> Yes
[23:59] <mfa298> CARRIER DISCON...
[23:59] <arko> '\0'
[23:59] <arko> exit
[23:59] <arko> :P wish these would work
[23:59] <arko> NULL
[23:59] <fsphil> Computer, End Program
[23:59] <arko> Self Destruct
[23:59] <Peter__> Thanks for bringing my mattress. Now leave.
[23:59] <mfa298> Computer says NO.
[23:59] <arko> ;
[23:59] <fsphil> Tea, Earl Grey, Hot
[23:59] <Darkside> This statement is false.
[00:00] --- Sat Jul 19 2014