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[00:17] <amell> wow. binary comet discovered.
[00:17] <amell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27110882
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[00:54] <Boelle_DK> hmm was looking at flights....
[00:54] <Boelle_DK> APJHAB....
[00:55] <Boelle_DK> comes up in dlfldigi but not on map??
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[01:34] <DL7AD_> GFS05 Update 2014-07-15 1800Z
[01:34] <DL7AD_> B-63: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub-bin/trajresults.pl?jobidno=196959
[01:34] <DL7AD_> B-64: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub-bin/trajresults.pl?jobidno=196975
[01:34] <DL7AD_> B-66: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub-bin/trajresults.pl?jobidno=197024
[01:34] <DL7AD_> SP3OSJ: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub-bin/trajresults.pl?jobidno=196980
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[01:41] <Boelle_DK> DL7AD: hi
[01:41] <DL7AD> hi
[01:41] <Boelle_DK> do you know what APJHAB is?
[01:41] <DL7AD> nope
[01:42] <DL7AD> where do you see it?
[01:42] <Boelle_DK> in dl-fldigi
[01:42] <Boelle_DK> have refreshed the list in there a 1000 times
[01:42] <Boelle_DK> it still shows up
[01:46] <DL7AD> *shrug*
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[01:53] <newbie|3> anyways off to bed.... will let dl-fldigi run but set for B-66
[01:53] <newbie|3> and net is screwed....
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[01:53] <DL7AD> newbie|3: rxid set up?
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[06:47] <mikestir> could someone approve b83aa78ccd09fd45bb03aff802938ecd please
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[07:00] <UpuWork> done mikestir
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[07:02] <mikestir> thanks UpuWork
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[07:06] <sp2ipt> just checked and dirtypcbs updated their service - 4 layers now, fr4 from 0.6-2.0mm thick ;)
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[07:15] <MightyMik> ping upuwork ...
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[07:15] <UpuWork> morning MightyMik
[07:16] <MightyMik> you make / sell habamp?
[07:16] <UpuWork> I do yes
[07:17] <MightyMik> it uses PSA4-5043+ as the amp? is it that part prone to failure?
[07:18] <UpuWork> only if you wire it back wards or transmit through it
[07:18] <UpuWork> other than that rock solid
[07:19] <MightyMik> k ... i have a LNA4ALL that apparently burnt, and was wondering how hard it is to change it out
[07:20] <UpuWork> yeah seen those
[07:20] <UpuWork> no SAW
[07:20] <UpuWork> but yes you can replace them
[07:21] <MightyMik> nope : )
[07:22] <MightyMik> all i have is an iron, no hot air rework
[07:22] <UpuWork> you need hot air really
[07:22] <sp2ipt> not really :)
[07:23] <UpuWork> you can just put a huge amount of solder on it
[07:23] <UpuWork> and clear up the resulting mess that will work
[07:23] <UpuWork> or buy one of mine :)
[07:23] <UpuWork> http://i.imgur.com/MrWINtb.jpg
[07:23] <sp2ipt> if you don't care about the broken part just cut the legs with a scalpel, use desoldering wick to remove the leftovers :D
[07:23] <MightyMik> but that onw has a filter on it
[07:23] <sp2ipt> that *is* *dirty* way but it works ;)
[07:23] <UpuWork> I have done them with no filter
[07:24] <UpuWork> just a wire bypassing the SAW
[07:24] <UpuWork> thats the new one, no more jumpers just flick the switch to power via bias-t
[07:25] <MightyMik> gotta save if i want new stuff, and if i want this on i'll have to fix it myself
[07:26] <UpuWork> the only issue is when they burn out they can take the pads with them
[07:27] <MightyMik> it wasn't that burnt... it just quit working... it has 5V, but the regulator is cold (no operation)
[07:30] <lz1dev> 11/fq 9
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[08:10] <amell> UpuWork: your picture of habamps makes me feel warm and fuzzy
[08:12] <number10> UpuWork: what the difference between habamp v3 and v2?
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[08:22] <tweetBot> @G7IGB: Wirral Girls Grammar School to launch 434 MHz balloon... http://t.co/zE9MRPS60z @AMSAT_UK #hamradio #ukhas
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[08:43] <Reb-SM0ULC> morning!
[08:43] <UpuWork> number10 - changed the power selection
[08:43] <UpuWork> and the regulator
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[08:43] <UpuWork> you can now put up to 48V in
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[08:44] <UpuWork> and switch between header / biast rather than jumpers
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[08:47] <DL1SGP_1> greetings
[08:47] <jededu> upu all received nice antenna :)
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[08:51] <UpuWork> cool thanks jededu
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[09:08] <number10> UpuWork: I have a v1 somewhere I havent tried. may get a v3 in a box
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[09:14] <WillDWork> github seems to have blown up
[09:15] <jonsowman> fine here
[09:15] <WillDWork> yep - seems ok now
[09:16] <jonsowman> :) shrug
[09:16] <DutchMillbt> PE2G / PB0AXH goede morgen Frits en Herman is het misschien een idee om gezamelijk op de dag van de radioamateur een presentatie te geven over HAB ed ?
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[09:25] <Boelle_DK> b-66 freq? 434?
[09:25] <Boelle_DK> should be able to hear it.... but nothing :-/
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[09:26] <Boelle_DK> dooh... spacenear showed i should.... until i zoomed in one level
[09:26] <mfa298> should be 434.5 but it will only tx once every few minutes
[09:26] <mfa298> what antenna are you using to receive it ?
[09:26] <Boelle_DK> a whip
[09:27] <Boelle_DK> need to make something better
[09:27] <mfa298> a whip designed for the frequency should be fine.
[09:27] <Boelle_DK> but it made sense once i zommed in that one level
[09:27] <Boelle_DK> far out of reach
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[09:28] <mfa298> if it's just the little magmount that came with the rtlsdr then that's a bit crap - but does work if the balloon is close and the antenna is in a good location.
[09:28] <Boelle_DK> well its the balloon close factor.... not high enough :-P
[09:29] <Boelle_DK> map on space near should say it all :-)
[09:33] <jededu> just trying the new jdga gps antenna instant lock :)
[09:33] <DL1SGP_1> Hej Boelle :) let's hope it decides to float a bit north so it gets audible for you
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[09:43] <Boelle_DK> hehe
[09:44] <Boelle_DK> was just by the macbook---- http://imgur.com/JhYBDIQ
[09:44] <Boelle_DK> from what i read its very simple... select payload and hit auto conf
[09:45] <Boelle_DK> make sure freq window at buttom is right
[09:45] <Boelle_DK> then wait
[09:46] <DL1SGP_1> you will have to set the mode manually, as far as I remember dl-fldigi does not permit auto-config of contesia
[09:46] <DL1SGP_1> also you might want to check the RSID settings, there should be documentation on the ukhas wiki
[09:48] <DL1SGP_1> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide#dl-fldigi section RS-ID RxID
[09:52] <Boelle_DK> oh did that one...
[09:52] <Boelle_DK> rechecking thou
[09:52] <Laurenceb> the B-66 theme
[09:52] <Laurenceb> www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMPGg6U2VpM
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[09:58] <Boelle_DK> yep... config was right.... gues i can just hope for a nice blow from south
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[10:02] <jededu> Is there still a launch today
[10:02] <mfa298> Boelle_DK: the config in your screenshot is wrong you need to manually set it to contessia (although if it picks up the rxid it that will configure it for you)
[10:03] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> jededu: There was supposed to be one: http://amsat-uk.org/2014/07/15/wirral-grammar-school-for-girls-to-launch-434-mhz-balloon/ but nothing on the map yet.
[10:03] <jededu> Thought so thx
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[10:12] <Boelle_DK> mfa298: this guide right? http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide#dl-fldigi
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[10:14] <Boelle_DK> jededu & Steve_G0TDJ_AFK: might poke mikestir about it
[10:14] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> Is he on site?
[10:15] <craag> Don't poke him - he's probably a bit busy!
[10:15] <Boelle_DK> not sure.... think he helps them
[10:15] <craag> It's his launch.
[10:15] <Boelle_DK> might = at own risk
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[10:15] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> I'm content to wait for something to appear. I've got enough going on here anywa! :-)
[10:15] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ_AFK -> Steve_G0TDJ
[10:16] <Boelle_DK> its on the list in dl-fldigi at least
[10:16] <Boelle_DK> might be waiting approval at server?
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[10:17] <Boelle_DK> on/off
[10:18] <craag> If it's in the list - it's been approved
[10:19] <craag> He's probably just a bit delayed - try an outreach launch yourself and you'll see what it's like :)
[10:19] <chrisg7ogx> steve they are on the map I think over Liverpool?
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[10:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Supposedly launching from Welshpool
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[10:22] <mikestir1> Hello
[10:22] <amell> 20 mins late so far
[10:22] <amell> :)
[10:22] <chrisg7ogx> That's ish for you!
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[10:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah ha WG3 appears
[10:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> and climbing
[10:48] <DL7AD> oh.... B-64 moved
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[10:53] <mikestir1> Up
[10:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> mikestir1: Is it just WG3 going up or the other one too?
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[10:55] <m3eav> no freqs on map? anyone have them
[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> 434.3 and 434.35 for ssdv if it appears
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[10:56] <m3eav> thanks geoff
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[10:59] <amell> oh B64 did move, but whats DL7AD doing?
[10:59] <amell> [APRS64 via WIDE2-1,qAR,DL7AD]
[11:00] <DL1SGP_1> amell q64 seems to be indicating that DL7AD was the first station to digipeat the packet
[11:01] <amell> must be another recording
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[11:10] <chrisg7ogx> partials fron sstv
[11:11] <fsphil> clouds
[11:11] <fsphil> and an OSD
[11:11] <DL1SGP_1> heh
[11:11] <fsphil> no GPS lock?
[11:12] <amell> might not be getting a feed from GPS.
[11:12] <DL1SGP_1> *joke*:no gps needed it is flying VFR as it has a camera :) hi phil
[11:12] <fsphil> hello
[11:13] <fsphil> this looks like it's flying a USB webcam
[11:14] <mattbrejza> hmm
[11:14] <mattbrejza> ssdv from usb webcam?
[11:14] <mattbrejza> i wonder if webcams have a frame buffer
[11:14] <fsphil> hah
[11:14] <fsphil> that sparked an idea
[11:14] <adamgreig> kinda heavy
[11:14] <mattbrejza> get a light one :P
[11:15] <fsphil> who needs a case
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[11:15] <mattbrejza> put it into camera mode, might even output jpeg
[11:15] <mattbrejza> although i would probably prefer to do my cpld thing then program a usb camera driver
[11:17] <amell> dial freq?
[11:17] <amell> is it really at 434.3?
[11:17] <fsphil> shouldn't be too hard to spot
[11:18] <amell> nothing here yet
[11:18] <Ron_G8FJG> rtty 434.301
[11:18] <amell> i see something faint through the noise
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[11:19] <fsphil> we've been ed'ited
[11:22] <mattbrejza> fsphil: seems using a stm32 with camera and sram interface will be easier htan cpld
[11:22] <Boelle_DK> me can also start to see wg3... the better as it climbs... thou no partial decodes yet... just random garbage
[11:22] <adamgreig> mattbrejza: not that surprising I think
[11:22] <amell> i see it, but its not decodeable yet
[11:23] <fsphil> mattbrejza: thought it might. seems simpler, though I've never used a CPLD
[11:23] <adamgreig> soldering a bit stm32 is not that big a deal
[11:23] <mattbrejza> although does need a 100 pin stm32
[11:23] <Laurenceb_> yeah there are only 32 bits to solder
[11:23] <mattbrejza> opposed to a 48pin cpld + 20pin tristate buffer + 48pin stm32
[11:23] <chrisg7ogx> is this still correct? Callsign: WG3TV Frequency: 434.350 MHz Mode: RTTY 300,8n2 610 Hz shift SSDV + telemetry
[11:24] <adamgreig> mattbrejza: 48+48+20>100 so
[11:24] <mattbrejza> placement and routing might be easier with separate devices
[11:24] <adamgreig> eh
[11:25] <adamgreig> the camera and the fsmc interfaces are all happy lines of pins
[11:25] <adamgreig> should be easy
[11:25] <mattbrejza> i hope there is an eagle part of this stm32
[11:25] <mattbrejza> really cba to make it myself
[11:25] <adamgreig> maybe you should use kicad and its amazing new footprint maker
[11:25] <adamgreig> but I think farnell does have eagle parts for the stm32s
[11:26] <adamgreig> http://hackaday.com/2014/07/14/cern-shows-off-new-kicad-module-editor/
[11:26] <mattbrejza> would be nice to have the AF labelled too
[11:26] <mattbrejza> the stuff cern is doing to kicad is neat though
[11:26] <mattbrejza> how long till all tahts in the main release?
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[11:27] <adamgreig> it's available now
[11:27] <adamgreig> and idk, probably a few days or weeks til it's in an official build
[11:27] <adamgreig> they've moving fast
[11:27] <jededu> odd I cant see wg3 30 miles away
[11:27] <mattbrejza> and you can now use eagle libraries in kicad?
[11:28] <adamgreig> yea
[11:28] <Ron_G8FJG> chris g7ogx I'm still decoding with thoes numbers , but looks like shift more 470 now
[11:28] <adamgreig> caveat I've not tried it
[11:28] <adamgreig> but it's not even like an importer
[11:28] <adamgreig> the pcb thing just allows you to add eagle pcb libraries to the project
[11:28] <adamgreig> and github repositories
[11:28] <chrisg7ogx> Ron I'm on 600 Hz
[11:28] <mattbrejza> lets give it a go then
[11:28] <mattbrejza> its not like i have something else i should be doing
[11:29] <fsphil> hehe
[11:29] <mattbrejza> lets try the new cern one
[11:30] <mattbrejza> have they done the nice push router thing yet?
[11:30] <mattbrejza> 'demonstrated a new push and shove routing tool' ah
[11:30] <chrisg7ogx> Ron have some partials now thanks
[11:31] <chrisg7ogx> not a clean signal here
[11:31] <amell> too much noise here
[11:31] <jededu> got it
[11:32] <jededu> Not clean tho
[11:32] <fsphil> there are a few missed packets. is it fading badly?
[11:32] <amell> wish i had some kind of noise reduction on this gqrx
[11:32] <adamgreig> mattbrejza: yea
[11:32] <db_g6gzh> fsphil: sporadic deep fades on the 50 baud, harder to tell on the 300
[11:32] <fsphil> yea that can cause it
[11:32] <chrisg7ogx> first full decode on sstv
[11:32] <adamgreig> I hear the caveat with the new distribute and autonumber stuff is that it's not yet bulletproof stable though :P
[11:33] <fsphil> could be a short cord
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[11:34] <mattbrejza> hmm
[11:34] <mattbrejza> perhaps ill give it a couple months then
[11:35] <fsphil> some of the pictures are sideways. this thing is spinning about a fair bit :)
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[11:35] <mattbrejza> no lock on the ssdv payload?
[11:35] <fsphil> yea did wonder about that
[11:35] <chrisg7ogx> fsphil that would explain my signals
[11:36] <fsphil> this is where interleaving would help
[11:36] <chrisg7ogx> more consistant now greens
[11:36] <Ron_G8FJG> chris what shift you using?
[11:36] <amell> can see rtty lines but no decodes. too much noise
[11:36] <jededu> solid decodes now
[11:36] <chrisg7ogx> what you were using 470 Hz
[11:37] <jededu> Yes
[11:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> WG3TV hasn't got a lock it seems
[11:38] <chrisg7ogx> It's a nice 14.3 degrees up there!
[11:38] <Boelle_DK> -8 somthing
[11:38] <amell> s/n of 8dB here
[11:38] <Boelle_DK> Temperature: -8.02 °C
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[11:40] <Boelle_DK> amell: from sweden?
[11:40] <chrisg7ogx> received 21 lost 3 that time
[11:40] <amell> from cambridge
[11:40] <amell> with a fking shite RTL dongle
[11:40] <amell> i must bin this shite
[11:41] <Boelle_DK> oki... i wish i was in the uk
[11:41] <Boelle_DK> i can get garbage from time to time...
[11:41] <chrisg7ogx> i wish we won the world cup!
[11:41] <Boelle_DK> strenght meter to far right is all over the place
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[11:42] <Boelle_DK> s/n up and down like a kid on a pogo stick
[11:42] <chrisg7ogx> or a sailor's arm
[11:42] <Boelle_DK> :-P
[11:43] <chrisg7ogx> a very welcome on shore breeze here
[11:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> Anyone got a dial freq. for WG3 please?
[11:44] <gonzo__> +1
[11:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> 434.299180
[11:44] <gonzo__> ta
[11:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> 434347757
[11:44] <amell> seems to have disappeared for me?!
[11:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers, Extremely weak here
[11:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> I can only just make it through the noise
[11:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> pictures on ssdv
[11:45] <chrisg7ogx> some nice con` trails there
[11:45] <gonzo__> see rtty centred on 434.3032
[11:48] <chrisg7ogx> cooking the wee wifey's lunch brb
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[11:56] <Maxell> M0XER-6 should not digipeat this far http://i.sigio.nl/e4cb01e475195f38edbf478a38337710.png
[11:56] <Boelle_DK> on/off and going to play diablo... will keep an eye on thigs there
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[11:59] <Boelle_DK> baaaah
[11:59] <Boelle_DK> wg3 on its way down
[11:59] <Boelle_DK> -26 m/s
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[12:03] <fsphil> short trip
[12:03] <fsphil> was this the one that was being cut-down?
[12:04] <jededu> I thing thats mine on sat
[12:04] <fsphil> ah yes
[12:05] <jededu> Builoding cutdown now :)
[12:07] <db_g6gzh> image 20 lacking detail but 21 seems to be starting off OK
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[12:11] <fsphil> the text slows it down a fair bit
[12:11] <fsphil> only managing about 4 characters per packet
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[12:13] <db_g6gzh> yes, still needed 18 packets for the black one
[12:13] <fsphil> room for improvement
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[12:15] <db_g6gzh> would be better out of band (kind of like exif)
[12:16] <db_g6gzh> then add as OSD on the server
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[12:18] <fsphil> I didn't want non-image data in the ssdv packets. though I could see how it would be useful
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[12:23] <Ron_G8FJG> I've lost sstv decodes
[12:24] <chrisg7ogx> same here but think i can just see wg3
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[12:24] <chrisg7ogx> back to the kitchen
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[13:53] <amell> B-64 appears to be moving and in range
[13:59] <Boelle_DK> yep...
[13:59] <Boelle_DK> you wonder how it can stay up that long....
[14:00] <Boelle_DK> hats of to leo for it
[14:00] <myself> flyagra!
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[14:24] <PE2G> B-66 at 400 km: http://s1.postimg.org/auucsspa7/Screen_16_07_14_16_19_30.png
[14:25] <malgar> PE2G: great
[14:26] <malgar> maybe later I try to receive it.. but as usual I have to move on the mountains near here
[14:26] <sam892> leobodnar balloon m0xer-4 is using fake digipeaters to post positions over russia
[14:26] <sam892> using dl7ad and RA0SSB they does not exist
[14:27] <adamgreig> they do now, temporary igates
[14:27] <sam892> i've received m0xer-4 positions a few days ago
[14:28] <sam892> is he reporting own positions?
[14:28] <PE2G> malgar: It'll be worth it, B-66's speed is low, so a long time within range: http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/B-66#g/_speed
[14:28] <malgar> I see
[14:28] <LeoBodnar> man, this is quite a statement [15:26] <sam892> leobodnar balloon m0xer-4 is using fake digipeaters to post positions over russia
[14:28] <sam892> b66 last positions is own positions reported to aprs.fi
[14:28] <sam892> they are'nt real digipeaters
[14:29] <malgar> but I have mountains quite higher than 0° .. they could be even 4-6° in that direction
[14:29] <LeoBodnar> well you make statement before knowing the details
[14:30] <Laurenceb_> sam892: maybe elvis transmitted the positions from mars
[14:30] <LeoBodnar> firstly digipeater is not sending positions to APRS-IS
[14:30] <LeoBodnar> it is the igate that does it
[14:31] <sam892> http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=M0XER-4&limit=1000&view=normal
[14:31] <sam892> dl7ad is reporting your balloon positions in Siberia?
[14:31] <LeoBodnar> secondly, DL7AD played back an audio file on his system which obviously igated it under his own name
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[14:32] <sam892> an audio file?
[14:32] <sam892> uploading audio files?
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[14:32] <mikestir-wggs> recovered
[14:33] <LeoBodnar> audio file has been recorded by an SWL in Irkutsk
[14:33] <LeoBodnar> give me your email and i will forward it to you, make sure it is not a fake email
[14:33] <sam892> I like balloons but I do not like self-reporting positions
[14:34] <sam892> This is your decision
[14:34] <LeoBodnar> thirdly, RA0SSB has igate installed but does not beacon his position as changing the config file means he has to go off air and this is not a priority
[14:34] <LeoBodnar> any more questions?
[14:35] <Piet0r> Please say yes
[14:35] <UpuWork> excellent mikestir-wggs
[14:35] <UpuWork> looks a nice place
[14:35] <sam892> anyone can do what he wants with the balloon position
[14:35] <craag> sam892: So Leo has offered to email you the audio recording so you can decode it yourself and check :)
[14:36] <sam892> it is not easy for anyone to decode audio positions
[14:36] <LeoBodnar> sam892: i actually faked the balloon you have received
[14:37] <LeoBodnar> i put a remotely controlled bug in your car park
[14:37] <UpuWork> we do work on trust but we've had indepenant reports of Leo's balloons as far out as as China so there is no reason not to believe this position
[14:37] <UpuWork> also
[14:37] <UpuWork> its not the furthest
[14:37] <UpuWork> its not the longest duration
[14:37] <UpuWork> its just somewhere far away
[14:38] <UpuWork> so no reason to fake it
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[14:39] <Piet0r> It's about fun
[14:39] <Piet0r> Do not underestimate fun
[14:39] <sam892> with m0xer-4 you have lost credibility reporting own positions
[14:39] <sam892> bye
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[14:40] <LeoBodnar> lol
[14:40] <Piet0r> :')
[14:40] <jonsowman> well that was fun
[14:40] <Boelle_DK> looooool
[14:40] <Boelle_DK> kids when they cant have it their way
[14:40] <craag> haters gonna hate
[14:40] <LeoBodnar> have i ever had any?
[14:41] <LeoBodnar> ragequit?
[14:41] <jonsowman> it was either that or ragekick
[14:41] <Piet0r> Oh I love the internet
[14:41] <mfa298> can we find out where he is and add some black helicopter icons moving around his location.
[14:41] <mfa298> ideally with positions being reported by CIA / NSA / Mossad / GCHQ
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[14:42] <myself> internet.love++
[14:43] <Boelle_DK> info on sam...
[14:43] <Boelle_DK> Host Name: vo-1.skyvision.net.ua
[14:43] <Boelle_DK> IP Address:
[14:43] <Boelle_DK> Country: Ukraine ukraine
[14:43] <Boelle_DK> Country code: UA (UKR)
[14:43] <Boelle_DK> Region:
[14:43] <Boelle_DK> City:
[14:43] <Boelle_DK> Postal code:
[14:43] <Boelle_DK> Calling code: +380
[14:43] <Boelle_DK> Longitude: 32
[14:43] <Boelle_DK> Latitude: 49
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[14:45] <PE2G> malgar: the blue circle is almost touching your location. What elevation would you need for reception from home?
[14:46] <malgar> 2000, but near austria there are mountains close and above 3000m, so the line of sight is well above 0°
[14:46] <UpuWork> rofflechops
[14:46] <UpuWork> that was funny
[14:47] <malgar> PE2G: my actual location isn't exacly there.. about 50 km far
[14:47] <Boelle_DK> UpuWork: you got a mail from paypal right?
[14:48] <PE2G> malgar: I see.
[14:48] <UpuWork> Got it thanks Bo
[14:48] <Boelle_DK> :-)
[14:48] <malgar> PE2G: or did you mean the elevation of the balloon?
[14:48] <PE2G> Yes, in fact :)
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[14:49] <malgar> :D I'm in the bottom of the valley.. Lowest point of the horizon is about 15°
[14:49] <malgar> so.. maybe 50-70 km of elevation :D
[14:49] <Boelle_DK> Q..... how hard would it be to launch a HAB from the UK and hit DK? ie near where i live
[14:50] <malgar> PE2G: I have to move on an higher place ;)
[14:50] <malgar> 20 min by car
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[14:50] <PE2G> malgar: OK, I understand.
[14:54] <malgar> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/130292_trj001.gif
[14:54] <Boelle_DK> thought it could be fun to do a cross the north sea thingy
[14:55] Nick change: LeoBodnar -> UpuAdmin
[14:55] <UpuAdmin> LeoBodnar stop being silly
[14:55] Nick change: UpuAdmin -> LeoBodnar
[14:55] <LeoBodnar> OK, sorry
[14:55] <PE2G> I have B-66 with a good signal at -0.0 deg elevation at 418 km now.
[14:56] <jonsowman> subtle
[14:56] <UpuWork> see what you did there
[14:56] <Boelle_DK> LeoBodnar: going skizo on us all?
[14:56] <LeoBodnar> I am in my office
[14:56] <Boelle_DK> :-D
[14:56] <Laurenceb_> http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap01/tropo.html
[14:56] <LeoBodnar> </fake position>
[14:56] <malgar> LeoBodnar: lol
[14:56] <Boelle_DK> hehehe
[14:56] Action: PC1PCL snickers
[14:57] <Boelle_DK> LeoBodnar: could drop a fake pico in our car.... or one in mominlaw too and have it xmit random fake pos between me and my mominlaw
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[14:58] <Boelle_DK> honest... that russian prick.... does not belong... whats the point in throwing shit at each other?
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[14:58] <malgar> one question. I'm not sure that I could have an internet connection there. Is possible to log and transmit later to the server?
[14:58] <Boelle_DK> my choice of words are harsh, but get so p****ed when people do that
[14:58] <craag> Boelle_DK: calm down, some people will always be skeptical
[14:59] <Boelle_DK> craag: yep.... well i guess hunting for the point will take ages :-D
[14:59] <Boelle_DK> anyway dinner up....
[14:59] <Boelle_DK> laters
[15:00] <LeoBodnar> the whole of APRS can be faked
[15:00] <LeoBodnar> ask arko
[15:00] <LeoBodnar> it is him who has been running it for the last year
[15:00] <LeoBodnar> all of it
[15:01] <myself> that explains so much!
[15:02] <adamgreig> arko's packet reporting system?
[15:02] <LeoBodnar> he actually does it from his mobile
[15:02] <LeoBodnar> so it is arko's pocket reporting system
[15:03] <myself> and when a pretty girl walks by it.... nevermind
[15:03] <Laurenceb_> more like Authoritarian Persecutory Reptilian System
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[15:20] <LeoBodnar> looks lie B-66 is well received
[15:20] <LeoBodnar> oops freudian slip
[15:20] <LeoBodnar> *like
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[15:22] <PC1PCL> Was nice to be tinkering with my arps setup and one of the first things to receive be a baloon just off the coast of the UK.
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[15:24] <PE2G> LeoBodnar: I have B-66 now at -0.1 deg with greens only. Very nice.
[15:28] <LeoBodnar> cool thanks!
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[16:17] <arko> what did i do or not do now?
[16:19] <arko> woah awesome!
[16:19] <arko> B-64 is on it's way to me!!
[16:19] <arko> :D
[16:20] <Upu> you NSA'd the APRS network
[16:20] <Upu> had someone on #ha earlier who accused Leo of faking positions
[16:20] <Upu> or something
[16:21] <arko> wtf?
[16:21] Action: arko gets his pitchfork out
[16:21] <arko> who accused?
[16:21] <craag> He ragequit.
[16:22] <arko> good riddance
[16:22] <Upu> was our afternoons amusement
[16:22] <arko> darn, i missed it
[16:23] <Upu> well thats what you get for being American
[16:24] <arko> http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/george-michael-snoopy-walk.gif
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[16:25] <db_g6gzh> I thought arko was from Cornwall and just faked his position in the USA
[16:25] <arko> lol
[16:25] <arko> SHHHHH
[16:25] <Boelle_DK> looooooooooooooooooooooooool
[16:25] <Upu> lol
[16:25] <arjun_21> lol
[16:25] <arjun_21> lllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllll
[16:26] <Boelle_DK> i have a secret..... not really located in DK
[16:26] <arjun_21> (Arko - Don't worry, it's our little secret)
[16:26] <arko> but your ip says otherwise! how!?
[16:26] <arjun_21> Prozy
[16:26] <malgar> PE2G: B-66 is turning in the right direction :) maybe tomorrow I could track it from home ;)
[16:26] <Boelle_DK> but living in the utility closet at santa's workshop :-P
[16:26] <arjun_21> Proxy
[16:26] <Boelle_DK> BBL....
[16:26] <db_g6gzh> I mean, surely nobody would be daft enough to come all the way from LA to the conference
[16:27] <arjun_21> Lol, maybe...
[16:27] <arko> db_g6gzh: you caught me!
[16:27] <arko> what american would fly picos!?
[16:28] <arko> LeoBodnar: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/136475_trj001.gif
[16:28] <arko> :D
[16:28] <mikestir> hmm I see the ssdv payload never got a gps fix
[16:28] <arjun_21> Question: How do you hold the piece of paper up, so it would not fall - bit.ly/spacead
[16:29] <mikestir> wg3 brought the entire balloon down with it
[16:29] <mikestir> and it burst really low
[16:30] <arko> if all goes right we might see B-64 in 7 days
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[16:34] <Laurenceb_> what does the humidity look like?
[16:35] <arjun_21> Why is Upu on the ban list????? - http://imgur.com/L6qWyJH (Or is it a impersonator (dun, dun, der)
[16:35] <arjun_21> )
[16:37] <LeoBodnar> arko flight level fail
[16:38] <arko> damn it
[16:38] <arko> i tried isobaric
[16:38] <LeoBodnar> it's not AGL
[16:38] <LeoBodnar> GPS is AMSL
[16:39] <LeoBodnar> home run
[16:39] <LeoBodnar> </not independently verified>
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[16:40] <arko> but the vertial model is correct?
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[16:44] <arko> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/136747_trj001.gif
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[16:46] <PE2G> I thought I'd lost B-66, but then 2 greens again at -0.5 deg: http://s23.postimg.org/ugt2z3qjf/Screen_16_07_14_18_43_26.png
[16:48] <Upu> arjun_41 band list where ?
[16:48] <Upu> oh
[16:48] <Upu> no I set that ban
[16:48] <Upu> mine is the ipv6 address
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[17:00] <malgar> PE2G: impressive
[17:01] <PE2G> malgar: Thanks. I'm losing B-66 now though. Some partials only.
[17:01] <malgar> what do you use to receive it?
[17:02] <PE2G> Yaesu FT-790-R (from the eighties) and a 7 elem yagi at 38 m AGL, 50 m ASL
[17:03] <malgar> now B-66 is entering in the PYSY realm
[17:04] <malgar> 38 m AGL.. roof of a palace? pole?
[17:05] <PE2G> At the 12th floor balcony of an appartment building
[17:05] <PE2G> Not on the rooftop
[17:06] <malgar> ok
[17:07] <PE2G> I have completely free line of sight into alle directions, except to the east and eastnortheast
[17:08] <PE2G> Where the rest f the building is.
[17:08] <PE2G> *of the
[17:09] <PE2G> line of sight to the southeast, where B-66 is, is fine.
[17:10] <PE2G> Antenna cable length is only 3 meters
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[17:11] <arko> LeoBodnar: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/136747_trj001.gif
[17:12] <malgar> PE2G: interesting
[17:12] <malgar> what's your maximum range?
[17:13] <LeoBodnar> yeah that's better
[17:13] <arko> :)
[17:13] <arko> its headed my way
[17:13] <PE2G> malgar: It's about 737 km for a high altitude floater
[17:13] <malgar> wow
[17:13] <arko> wow
[17:13] <malgar> where?
[17:13] <arko> damn dude
[17:13] <malgar> uk?
[17:13] <arko> near earth orbit
[17:13] <malgar> :D
[17:14] <arko> low*
[17:14] <PE2G> I must have a screenshot somewhere. Will look it up.
[17:16] <Laurenceb_> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/137166_trj001.gif
[17:16] <Laurenceb_> seems dubious
[17:16] <Laurenceb_> it might just circle
[17:16] <arko> wtf
[17:16] <Laurenceb_> ensemble plot
[17:16] <arko> is your model based on vomit?
[17:16] <Laurenceb_> based on error analysis
[17:17] <arko> crazy
[17:17] <PE2G> malgar: It was an AVA flight: http://i.imgur.com/xVUOIEx.png
[17:17] <malgar> PE2G: this is my best view for tomorrow morning http://goo.gl/maps/A4epn
[17:18] <malgar> those mountains are really close :\
[17:19] <PE2G> Yeah, but I'd go there for just the beautiful view :)
[17:21] <malgar> :)
[17:21] <malgar> still looking at you 737 km.. just wow :)
[17:21] <malgar> your
[17:22] <PE2G> malgar: It was in the morning and reception didn't last long
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[17:23] <PE2G> Special conditions, I think
[17:23] <malgar> does it change during the day?
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[17:25] <PE2G> malgar: Yeah , the hours around sunrise and sunset seem best for HAB dx
[17:25] <PE2G> In my experience at least
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[17:29] <malgar> interesting
[17:30] <malgar> which are the physical causes?
[17:32] <PE2G> malgar: It must be some form of ducting
[17:33] <PE2G> And personally I think it's ducting at low-level
[17:34] <PE2G> Here is my no 2, BTW: http://s3.postimg.org/ml2jpmgb7/Screen867.jpg Stratodean at 693 km.
[17:36] <malgar> I should start to make screenshots of mines too
[17:38] <PE2G> Yeah, you should that. It's an easy way to record special reception instances
[17:39] <PE2G> *should do
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[18:04] <tesh> *-0J1
[18:04] <tesh> warning
[18:04] <tesh> you may be watched
[18:04] <tesh> do usa&israel use the internet(facebook,youtube,twitter, chat rooms ..ect)to spy??
[18:04] <tesh> do usa&israel use the internet 2 collect informations,,can we call that spying??
[18:04] <tesh> do they record&analyse everything we do on the internet,,can they harm you using these informations??
[18:04] <tesh> warning
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[18:04] <arko> Upu: ^
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[18:05] <NigeyS> oi tesh, hop it :)
[18:05] <mfa298> no doubt he'll catch the attention of freenode soon. Excess flood would suggest he's spamming lots of channels
[18:05] <Upu> wut
[18:05] <LeoBodnar> yay for usa and israel tracking the balloons without asking
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[18:06] <BrainDamage> I've seen him paste that shit in 2 channels already 1-2 days ago
[18:06] <arjun_41> lol
[18:06] <arko> kick/ban the ip
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[18:06] <fsphil> what a load of tesh
[18:06] <arko> hehehe
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[18:06] <arjun_41> can someone op me
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[18:07] <fsphil> lol no
[18:07] <arko> hahahaha
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[18:07] <arko> oh yeah totally legit arjun
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[18:07] <arko> INCOMING
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[18:07] Action: mfa298 always reads "can someone op me" as "can someone kick/ban me"
[18:07] <fsphil> +boom
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[18:08] <arko> http://forums.steroid.com/attachments/diet-nutrition/120850d1330880118-chicken-banhammer%25u00252bforecast.gif
[18:08] <NigeyS> Upu help chan gonna kline him anyway
[18:08] <arko> nice
[18:14] <arjun_41> Question: How do you hold the piece of paper up, so it would not fall - bit.ly/spacead
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[18:16] <arjun_41> Tesh's ip is in egypt - ddosing him now
[18:16] <arjun_41> #iloveloic
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[18:18] <NigeyS> school holidays or somewthing? :p
[18:18] <arko> spammers are heavy today
[18:18] <fsphil> I do hope this isn't going to become a regular thing
[18:18] <arko> lol
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[18:18] <arko> 8th grade kids are bored today
[18:18] <NigeyS> lol
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[18:25] <ilovehigh> Are they any age limits for the conference (I'm 12)
[18:26] <fsphil> ISSE-3 team is back at it
[18:26] <Upu> Willdude ?
[18:27] <arko> Country: United Kingdom gb flag
[18:27] <arko> State/Region: Surrey
[18:27] <arko> City: Godalming
[18:28] <ilovehigh> That's where BT (my ISP) have there servers - your point?
[18:29] <Upu> Hi Will
[18:29] <ilovehigh> Not will - I'm Arjun
[18:29] <Upu> ah
[18:29] <Upu> bypassing a ban huh ?
[18:30] <ilovehigh> Just used the webchat
[18:30] <Upu> You need to bring a parent / guardian if you want to come the conference
[18:30] <ilovehigh> Okay
[18:30] <ilovehigh> See you there!
[18:30] <Upu> both of you need tickets
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[18:31] <ilovehigh> (Anything to squeeze a few more quid)
[18:31] <ilovehigh> lol
[18:32] <Upu> just needs to be with you :)
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[18:33] <snelly> Hi
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[18:33] <snelly> Does anyone have some example code for switching frequencies on one of the frequency-agile Radiometrix modules? I'm curious to see what is involved.
[18:34] <mclane_> B66 above my head - I can receive it just with a piece of wire
[18:34] <ilovehigh> It's not like they will have lunch/tea or anything
[18:34] <Upu> snelly https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/HAB%20Supplies%20Datasheets/HAB-NTX2B-FA.pdf
[18:34] <ilovehigh> they will just site with me during the Conference
[18:35] <snelly> Upu: perfect. Thanks.
[18:35] <snelly> Do these little modules work well for APRS?
[18:36] <Upu> NTX2B's are 434Mhz so no
[18:36] <Upu> HX1 is 300mW on the APRS frequencies
[18:36] <snelly> Yeah, I was looking at one of the 2m models
[18:37] <Upu> the HX1 isn't frequency agile
[18:37] <Upu> it just comes on a set frequency
[18:37] <snelly> I was looking at this one: http://www.radiometrix.com/shx1-0
[18:38] <Upu> where are you located ?
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[18:38] <mclane_> how comes that Leos balloons do not show the typical day/night variations in height?
[18:38] <snelly> USA
[18:38] <snelly> So I need 144.39
[18:39] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=78
[18:39] <snelly> and frequency agility so I can also beacon on a non-standard-APRS packet freq
[18:39] <Upu> Probably cheaper than you can get in the US even with postage
[18:39] <Upu> ah ok
[18:39] <Upu> in that case not sure
[18:39] <Upu> I don't stock the frequency agile modules
[18:41] <snelly> I want to find a transciever
[18:42] <snelly> I've implemented APRS decoding in my software already: https://github.com/chrissnell/GoBalloon
[18:42] <Upu> http://www.radiometrix.com/content/bim1h
[18:42] <Upu> thats not frequency agile
[18:42] <snelly> well, AX.25/APRS decoding. I'm leaving the AFSK to the TNC
[18:43] <arko> where in the us?
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[18:43] <snelly> arko: Tacoma, WA
[18:43] <arko> oh nice
[18:43] <snelly> Upu: http://www.lemosint.com/radiometrix/radiometrix_details.php?itemID=189
[18:44] <snelly> but holy crap, that thing is expensive. I could buy several additional DJ-C5s for that
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[18:45] <arko> heh, written in Go
[18:45] <arko> interesting
[18:45] <Upu> wow
[18:45] <arko> you didn't happen to be at Toorcamp this year, did you?
[18:45] <fsphil> lol
[18:45] <snelly> me? no
[18:45] <fsphil> is it gold plated?
[18:45] <Upu> just buy a Baofeng and fly that
[18:45] <arko> nvm then
[18:45] <arko> hahaha
[18:45] <snelly> upu: the DJ-C5 is cheap enough and weighs almost nothing
[18:46] <snelly> oh dang
[18:46] <snelly> that toorcamp looks like a blast
[18:46] <arko> it is
[18:46] <arko> my friends run it
[18:46] <arko> you should go
[18:46] <snelly> I was in Hood River mountain biking that week :(
[18:46] Action: arko takes his paycheck
[18:46] <snelly> arko: next year for sure
[18:46] <arko> beautiful place
[18:47] <arko> im out in los angeles, but washington is an amazing place
[18:47] <snelly> oh wow. sweet cabins
[18:47] <snelly> I gotta do this next year
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[18:48] <snelly> so my software is about 75% complete
[18:48] <arko> why Go?
[18:48] <snelly> I still need to design and build the PCB
[18:48] <snelly> arko: it's fun and it's awesome.
[18:48] <arko> neat langauge
[18:48] <snelly> it runs nicely on the little BeagleBone Black that I plan to fly
[18:49] <arko> overkill for a hab
[18:49] <arko> but why not
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[18:49] <snelly> I'm building a "cape" for the BBB to hold the Adafruit GPS and ArgentData T3-Mini that I'm flying
[18:50] <Upu> derp
[18:50] <Upu> Adafruit GPS stops at 27km
[18:50] <snelly> I'm writing some ground control software (also in Go) that provides a console-based (ANSI graphics) control interface for the chasers
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[18:50] <snelly> Upu: really?
[18:51] <Upu> yeah their advertising annoys me
[18:51] <Upu> "suitable for high altitude use"
[18:51] <Upu> no its not
[18:51] <snelly> adafruit says 32km
[18:51] <snelly> 104Kft
[18:51] <Upu> random
[18:51] <Upu> still too low
[18:51] <Upu> when did they change that ?
[18:51] <snelly> Well, I guess I'll need something else. even though I doubt my balloon will get that high
[18:52] <snelly> what's a good GPS module that works well, outputs NMEA over TTL serial, and doesn't cost a fortune?
[18:52] <ilovehigh> Ublox?
[18:52] <Upu> We've received reports from customers that have tested this version of the Ultimate GPS module in a high-altitude balloon, and it kept fix up to ~32km! There is a (theoretical, untested) firmware limit of 40Km. However, we provide no guarantee that it will work in all HAB's.
[18:52] <Upu> or you could just use a ublox which is more accurate , uses less power and works to 50km
[18:53] <Upu> I actually flew one of their test ones and it worked up to 39km
[18:53] <snelly> I need a little breakout board
[18:53] <Upu> but then they never released it
[18:53] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_60
[18:53] <arko> ^ i fly these all the time
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[18:54] <arko> rather, almost everyone here does
[18:54] <snelly> habsupplies is UK though. When I ship parts for my old Land Rover from the UK, shipping costs a fortune
[18:54] <snelly> any US suppliers of the breakouts?
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[18:54] <arko> it ships to the US
[18:55] <mfa298> you should come to the conference next month and then you can probaly pick them up direct from Upu and save the shipping fees :D
[18:55] <arko> also.. thats a Land Rover which weights more than 0.01lbs :)
[18:55] <snelly> conference?
[18:55] <arko> i've had habsupplies part arrive before digikey
[18:55] <mikestir> the breakouts are tiny, and you get a nice box
[18:55] <mfa298> for conference see the channel title
[18:55] <arko> heck i used the box as a hab chassis once
[18:56] <Upu> snelly no I don't have any resellers
[18:57] <Upu> shipping is about £9.50 and takes 5 days
[18:57] <Upu> you don't pay VAT though
[18:57] <Upu> so it won't be too expensive
[18:57] <Upu> thats tracked and insured
[18:59] <snelly> ok, nice
[18:59] <snelly> Yeah, the LR Defender companies typically charge me about $40USD for shipping even for small things
[18:59] <qyx_> this reminds me.. my boards are probably in tracking black hole
[18:59] <snelly> I have a friend who has a UK consolidator and I send my big stuff over in his containers
[19:00] <snelly> Upu, ok I'm going to order a few
[19:00] <Upu> cool will ship tommorrow morning (UK)
[19:01] <snelly> if I have an active antenna already, is that better for HAB use than the Quad-V antennas?
[19:01] <Upu> well they use more power and weigh more
[19:01] <Upu> under an open sky there is no real benefit having an active patch
[19:01] <mikestir> bit of wire ftw
[19:01] <Upu> the quad v (or the chip for that matter) work in any orientation
[19:02] <Upu> good flight today mikestir ?
[19:02] <snelly> ok
[19:02] <mikestir> yes Upu. burst really low though and the whole balloon came back
[19:02] <Upu> yuk far too common
[19:02] <Upu> (bringing the balloon back)
[19:02] <snelly> Upu: which of these modules do you recommend?
[19:03] <Upu> 26km
[19:03] <Upu> could be worse
[19:03] <Upu> 3.3V ? Any apart from the Arduino 5V one
[19:03] <Upu> there is an active one there with an SMA on it
[19:03] <mikestir> thanks for tracking. Luckily I was able to get my mrs to track it a bit further from here, and it was 500m ASL where it landed so the last position was quite good
[19:04] <snelly> wellllll....I'm going to be replacing the Adafruit GPS module with this
[19:04] <snelly> Let me go look and see what voltage I'm using
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[19:05] <Upu> cool
[19:05] <Upu> can I remove the track from SNUS or do you want it left on for a bit ?
[19:05] <mikestir> got a screenshot so you can remove it
[19:05] <Upu> thanks
[19:06] <mikestir> we were still miles away when it landed, stuck in traffic on the wrong side of the M6
[19:06] <snelly> looks like I'm using 3.3V
[19:06] <snelly> although the BeagleBone Black does provide 5V as well
[19:07] <mikestir> oh and the rpi's gps failed - I think it was being blocked because it had worked last night but took ages to get a fix
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[19:07] <Upu> was something near it ?
[19:07] <Upu> congrats ibanezmatt13
[19:07] <mattbrejza> if anyone didnt catch their payload before it got removed, dw i found an old snus tab: http://i.imgur.com/9q71GXh.png
[19:07] <Upu> good job you passed or you'd never live itdown
[19:07] <Upu> lol mattbrejza
[19:07] <ibanezmatt13> thanks Upu
[19:08] <snelly> can't decide between Sarantel and Quad-V
[19:08] <LeoBodnar> haha
[19:08] <ibanezmatt13> wow that's awesome :)
[19:08] <LeoBodnar> Even the one that nobody wants is there
[19:10] <mikestir> Upu: no it was one of your breakouts positioned away from the pi, accessed over I2C from a little AVR daughterboard. The other tracker was a dedicated AVR one with a similar arrangement
[19:10] <Upu> snelly Sarantels are better but in short supply now
[19:10] <Upu> the QuadV's are more robust
[19:10] <Upu> odd mikestir I have seen GPS modules get locked out once they move away from the ground
[19:11] <mikestir> in this case it was getting the time straight away, but taking a long time to get position. We launched anyway because we had the other tracker, but I did expect it to get a fix once up, which it didn't
[19:12] <mikestir> the ssdv and video recording worked fine, which were the main reasons for using the pi
[19:12] <Upu> does it lock now its back on the ground ?
[19:12] <snelly> Upu, if I request battery cell installation, do you cut the trace for me?
[19:12] <mikestir> I think I'd rather do a dedicated non-pi design for another ssdv flight though
[19:13] <mikestir> don't know, I've not tested it again. It was behaving similarly last night but it would get position after maybe 5 minutes
[19:13] <Upu> I can certainly do that though you don't need a battery for hab
[19:13] <Upu> take a pic of how its all positioned mikestir
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[19:14] <mikestir> ok. it's an embarrassing lash-up :)
[19:14] <Upu> hah
[19:14] <Upu> bet I've seen worse
[19:14] <Upu> bet I've flown worse
[19:14] <mikestir> I'll post a link to my pico tracker as well to offset it :)
[19:14] <Upu> I've seen that its nice
[19:15] <mclane_> mikestir: I have flown a pi with a self-made gps / NTX2 daughterboard 2 times without probs
[19:16] <snelly> ok, you've got an order :)
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:17] <mikestir> http://www.mike-stirling.com/files/DSC_2581.JPG
[19:17] <mikestir> covered in masking tape but you get the idea
[19:18] <mclane_> what kind of gps antenna did you use?
[19:18] <mikestir> because it was lashed up from breakout boards I kept the gps deliberately out of the way on a wire. the daughterboard was built on a PCB I'd designed for some other application. It has an ATMEGA328 and RFM22B
[19:18] <mikestir> it could be the nasty chinese buck module
[19:18] <snelly> mikestir: what camera are you using?
[19:19] <mikestir> the standard pi cam in that
[19:24] <Upu> possibly that buck but its reasonably far away
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[19:24] <mikestir> it could be on the rail though
[19:25] <mikestir> nice place to land http://www.mike-stirling.com/files/DSC_2600.JPG
[19:25] <Upu> yeah it looked lovely on the sat images
[19:26] <mclane_> here is a photo of the PYSYpi tracker: http://imgur.com/TsL7QDO
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[19:27] <mikestir> how is it powered mclane_?
[19:28] <mikestir> pity most of the ssdv images were cloud, but there's some quite good video
[19:28] <mclane_> 4x Energizer AA and a low drop linear regulator (see daveakes design)
[19:28] <mikestir> right. this was similar but used a switcher, so maybe it didn't like that
[19:29] <mclane_> I have also flown a Pololu buck/boost without probs
[19:29] <mikestir> yeah my pico tracker has a boost on it about 5mm from the gps and it's fine
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[19:43] <mikestir> is the pi cam 1080p video 30 fps by default?
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[19:50] <ilovehigh> Can anybody recommend a good battery pack for the Arduino (and batteries!)
[19:53] <mclane_> AFC does not work for contestia in dl-fldigi?
[19:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Nope
[19:54] <mclane_> B&& is drifting significantly during packet transmission now
[19:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Use RSID which does use AFC
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[20:08] <mikestir> mclane_: have you increased the tune margin setting in the modem config?
[20:08] <mikestir> olivia/contestia don't need afc because they can track drift within the modem
[20:09] <mikestir> that's in addition to using rsid, which will help for long term drift but won't solve the problem of drifting during the tx
[20:10] <mclane_> no - tune margin is at "8"
[20:10] <mikestir> try increasing it to 16
[20:10] <mclane_> ok will try
[20:10] <mikestir> or even more - I notice mine is set to 32
[20:11] <mclane_> RSID = RxID?
[20:11] <mikestir> yes
[20:11] <mclane_> ok, lets see if that helps
[20:12] <mclane_> can I somehow automagically retune gqrx when it drifts out of audio range?
[20:12] <mclane_> linking dl-fldigi with gqrx
[20:13] <mikestir> not sure. you can certainly do that with a real rig using hamlib
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[20:14] <astrobiologist> evening
[20:15] <mclane_> I don't have that; just a fcd+
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[20:15] <LeoBodnar> mclane_: try increasing it to 100 or so
[20:16] <LeoBodnar> there's no harm in it if you don't have another nearby contestia signal
[20:16] <mclane_> ok, done
[20:17] <mclane_> just one question: what are you doing to keep the float altitude that stable?
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[20:21] <LeoBodnar> this and that :0
[20:21] <LeoBodnar> :)
[20:21] <LeoBodnar> can't say for now
[20:23] <mclane_> should I also change the integration period? is at 4 now
[20:24] <mclane_> first telemetry paket does not decode "green"; only the second does
[20:27] <LeoBodnar> i am not sure what integration period does
[20:27] <LeoBodnar> it might be counterproductive increasing it as it might assume integration period symbols have no drift
[20:28] <LeoBodnar> </speculation>
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[20:28] <LeoBodnar> *all symbols within one integration period
[20:28] <mclane_> setting it to 8 made things worse
[20:28] <mclane_> so I am back to 4 now
[20:32] <mclane_> afk now, I leave the PC up and running
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[20:46] <LeoBodnar> thanks for tracking guys
[20:47] <LeoBodnar> i'll turn APRS back on for the night
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[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> hi DL1SGP
[20:51] <mfa298> don't you mean the fake position generator ?
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[20:52] <LeoBodnar> which one? i have a few
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[20:57] <arko> i can see russia from my house
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[21:02] <Laurenceb> anyone here used ltspice?
[21:02] <Laurenceb> i cant work out how to create a custom zener diode
[21:03] <arko> ive use ltspice
[21:04] <arko> how custom?
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[21:07] <Laurenceb> just change the breakdown voltage and stuff
[21:07] <Laurenceb> the properties are greyed out
[21:07] <arko> really?
[21:07] <arko> try a text editor?
[21:08] <Laurenceb> yeah
[21:08] <Laurenceb> ill have to
[21:08] <Laurenceb> first i have to find it in wine....
[21:08] <arko> you need to use a text editor and create a .model line
[21:08] <arko> http://www.youspice.com/ys/diodefromdatasheet.3sp
[21:09] <arko> .model shittyDidoe D (BV=25)
[21:09] <arko> or something
[21:09] <Laurenceb> ah
[21:09] <Laurenceb> i can add that as a directive to the schematic sheet
[21:09] <arko> yeah
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[21:10] <arko> really handy to have the spice datasheets, know what variables you have access to
[21:11] <arko> people use wine?
[21:11] <Laurenceb> i do
[21:11] <arko> i only drink it
[21:11] <arko> install windows yo
[21:11] <Laurenceb> ewwwwww
[21:12] <arko> its what people use to get real work done
[21:12] <Laurenceb> Unknown model type "d3" -- ignored
[21:12] <Laurenceb> .model zenerdiode D3 (BV=1.8)
[21:12] <Laurenceb> what did i screw up?
[21:12] <arko> ok i'll stop trolling, i might be starting a fight here
[21:12] <Laurenceb> lolz
[21:13] <mfa298> last time I recently tried wine it was about as useless as when I tried using it 10 years ago.
[21:13] <arko> D3 should be D
[21:13] <arko> zenerdiode is the name of the device
[21:13] <arko> D is the type of device
[21:13] <Laurenceb> ohhhh
[21:13] <mikestir> it's what people use when they want their work to disappear overnight when windows seems to confuse the command "sleep" for "install a bucket load of updates and reboot without asking"
[21:13] <mfa298> I'll stick with arko wine is much better in a glass and drunk
[21:13] <LeoBodnar> lol [22:11] <arko> install windows yo
[21:14] <arko> srsly, hate all you guys want, i like windows
[21:14] <Laurenceb> ok this still isnt doing anything
[21:14] <arko> i haven't had it crap on me because i dont download bloatware and i actually paid for a nice virus scan
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[21:14] <Laurenceb> no errors, but no current enther
[21:14] <arko> is the device connected to anything?
[21:14] <Laurenceb> *either
[21:14] <Laurenceb> yes
[21:14] <mfa298> as a Network/Linux admin my laptop is running Windows 8.1 :D
[21:14] <arko> do a sweep sim
[21:14] <LeoBodnar> i am still getting emails about Apple eMac hacking i did 10 years ago
[21:14] <arko> mfa298: haha
[21:15] <Laurenceb> it works fine if i add a model using the gui
[21:15] <arko> LeoBodnar: hahaha
[21:15] <arko> those were awesome
[21:15] <mikestir> I'm siding with Laurenceb on this - whenever I am unnecessarily delayed by my computer during the working day it's always something to do with windows
[21:15] <LeoBodnar> http://beta.slashdot.org/story/42267
[21:15] <mfa298> arko: I tend to work on the principle that Linux is great on servers it's not so good for a desktop
[21:15] <arko> 1980's macs were the most fun to hack
[21:15] <LeoBodnar> lol "Upgrade Your eMac pudge posted more than 10 years ago"
[21:16] <arko> oh snap, that was you leo?
[21:16] <LeoBodnar> time flies
[21:16] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[21:16] <arko> crazy small world
[21:16] <Laurenceb> .model D2 D (BV=1.8)
[21:16] <LeoBodnar> i have been ./ed e few times
[21:16] <Laurenceb> hmf
[21:16] <arko> i remember this
[21:17] <LeoBodnar> lol world moves in weird ways
[21:17] <LeoBodnar> also did MacMini
[21:17] <LeoBodnar> Upgrade Your eMac pudge posted more than 10 years ago
[21:18] <LeoBodnar> sry http://hardware-beta.slashdot.org/story/05/02/03/1352228/diy-mac-mini-overclocking
[21:18] <Laurenceb> nice work
[21:18] <mfa298> I was good earlier. I had my netbook booted into Ubuntu earlier when on a conference call to Canonical. I had to reboot into windows straight after though to play a video on youtube as the sound driver works on the toss a coin approach as to whether you'll actually get sound.
[21:18] <Laurenceb> should it have the dot on the front?
[21:19] <LeoBodnar> /.ed
[21:19] <LeoBodnar> s/.\//\/./
[21:19] <Laurenceb> hmm
[21:19] <Laurenceb> < confused
[21:19] <Laurenceb> ill screenshot this thing
[21:21] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/T7pfGWN.png
[21:22] <Laurenceb> the .model directive doesnt seem to do anything
[21:23] <LeoBodnar> oh, beauty of ltspice
[21:23] <LeoBodnar> i think wuerth electronics have made a great book on ltspice
[21:24] <LeoBodnar> http://www.we-online.com/web/en/electronic_components/produkte_pb/fachbuecher/Trilogie_1.php
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[21:37] <ibanezmatt13> evening. if you don't hear from me within the week, I've written my mum's car off (17 tomorrow)
[21:38] <malgar> I've written my mum's car off (17 tomorrow) << what does this mean?
[21:38] <ibanezmatt13> basically, my first driving lesson ever has gone to pot and I'm in a ditch
[21:39] <malgar> :O
[21:39] <Upu> what car is it ?
[21:40] <mfa298> landing in a ditch isn't a good plan (unless it's a proper 4x4 and you're planning to go off road)
[21:40] <ibanezmatt13> citroen picasso
[21:40] <Upu> thats a big one to learn in
[21:40] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, it's worth about £20 anyway
[21:40] <Upu> you'll be fine
[21:41] <ibanezmatt13> yeah I know, exciting times eh :)
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:41] <mfa298> I'm just glad you're ooop norf.
[21:41] <arko> bring a w rope
[21:41] <arko> a rope*
[21:41] <mfa298> there's some bad drivers down this way.
[21:41] <ibanezmatt13> haha, yeah stay away from Wigan
[21:42] <Upu> bad drivers lol come to Bradford in Ramadan
[21:42] <malgar> ibanezmatt13: don't inflate your car too much with helium
[21:42] <ibanezmatt13> lol :)
[21:42] <ibanezmatt13> I wont :P
[21:42] <craag> I'll beat you all: abu dhabi :)
[21:43] <craag> in ramadam
[21:43] <craag> *ramadan
[21:43] <arko> im like 6000 miles away
[21:43] <ibanezmatt13> my Dad has just commented "mexico city anytime"
[21:43] <craag> official embassy warning not to use the roads in the late afternoon :P
[21:43] <arko> i think i maybe safe
[21:43] <Upu> lol
[21:43] <ibanezmatt13> not quite arko :P
[21:43] <mikestir> I definitely prefer driving in london to driving in manchester
[21:43] <arko> i'm above ground level too
[21:44] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, riding a push bike in Manchester is pretty lethal too
[21:44] <mfa298> I'm tempted to start playing games with half the drivers on the M27. There seem to be a load of drivers who obviously want to overtake but are too scared to leave the middle lane. It's soo tempting to see how slow I can make them go.
[21:45] <ibanezmatt13> haha
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[21:46] <arko> you know what i loved about the uk traffic system?
[21:46] <arko> people respect the right most lane
[21:47] <arko> here in la, people will just coast in the left most lane
[21:47] <arko> going like 65-70
[21:47] <mikestir> not everyone does
[21:47] <arko> ITS MEANT FOR PASSING
[21:47] <arko> well, it was a lot better than here
[21:48] <ibanezmatt13> tbh most people occupy the right most lane here when there's nobody even there. Though they've now brought in some law against it, "lane hogging"
[21:49] <ulfr> That'd be considered good here.
[21:49] <ulfr> But I guess you drive on the wrong side of the road.
[21:49] <ulfr> ;)
[21:49] <craag> Yeah you can be ticketed for causing an 'obstruction to traffic' if you're holding up the outside lane.
[21:49] <mfa298> I have noticed there seem to be a lot of invisible cars on the motorway at times (people overtaking in lane 3 when I'm doing the speed limit in Lane 1 and no other visible cars)
[21:50] <craag> I've noticed a *little* less hogging since that came in.
[21:51] <ibanezmatt13> yeah. Since 11 this morning, I have had the pleasure of learning calculus from absolute basics taught with rocket science by Ed. I feel like that guy who got out the bath and ran down the street now I understand sooo much more! :)
[21:52] <ibanezmatt13> hey arko, deltaV=Ve*ln(m0/m1) I derived that today! woop
[21:52] <arko> :)
[21:52] <arko> good times
[21:53] <ibanezmatt13> very good times. How you can split up some motion into lots of small slices of "derivatives," describe each derivative in some way etc. And integrating is just a big for loop, adding up the slices
[21:53] <arko> yay integrals :)
[21:54] <ibanezmatt13> they should so teach it like that in schools
[21:54] <mfa298> wait until you start playing with fourier / laplace transforms (probably a year or two into Uni if you do engineering)
[21:54] <arko> there a thick line between application and math in math classes :/
[21:54] <arko> <3 S-Domain
[21:54] <arko> my favorite domain
[21:54] Nick change: SA6BSS -> SA6BSS-Mike
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[21:56] <ibanezmatt13> right, sleep time. nn
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