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[11:23] <DL7AD> did you have direct contact with the guy sent us the samples for B-62?
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[11:29] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lJZ3GZGxm0
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[11:50] <sp2ipt> Laurenceb_: good thing these were wasps not hornets
[11:55] <Ian_> Don't kid yourself, those critters can sting you through that beesuit; particularly if it is clinging to a sweaty body - it all get very steamy in there!
[11:56] <Ian_> Gotta go; honey to harvest - thanks for the reminder about potential bad days . . .
[11:56] <sp2ipt> I know, I've also seen hornets - it wasn't funny
[11:56] <Maxell> Laurenceb_: beeeeeeeeeeeeees
[12:00] <Maxell> Laurenceb_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbfoAKet8Vc
[12:01] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbTiCdknEio
[12:01] <fsphil> it only takes one
[12:04] <Maxell> ahahah
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[12:35] <Laurenceb_> https://www.gnu.org/graphics/gnu-and-penguin-color-300x276.jpg
[12:35] <Laurenceb_> lolz
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[12:50] <cm13g09> welll the RasPiB+ hasn't killed Farnell in quite the same way as the original did ;)
[12:50] <LazyLeopard> Just differently killed it?
[12:51] <cm13g09> LazyLeopard: no
[12:51] <cm13g09> looks like they got away with it
[12:51] <cm13g09> because demand isn't quite as high
[12:51] <LazyLeopard> Heh ;)
[12:51] <cm13g09> that said, they've sold 600 in 2 hours.....
[12:57] <cm13g09> aka 5 / minute
[13:05] <craag> THat's not bad
[13:06] <fsphil> I'm waiting until the cases all get updated
[13:11] <Trieste> pfft
[13:11] Action: Trieste hugs his rev.1 raspi
[13:23] Action: craag salutes his first-batch model (currently running ukhasnet)
[13:24] <craag> A good couple of years life off my F5 key that cost me!
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[13:30] Action: mikestir-work has a free 128M rev 1 off the guy that designed it
[13:31] <amell> fsphil: pah, just make a case out of lego like all the original buyers did :)
[13:31] <amell> mikestir-work: you know eben upton? :)
[13:31] <mikestir-work> lol. it was designed by a consultancy in cheshire
[13:31] <mikestir-work> look at the back page of the schematic
[13:31] <amell> oh i didnt know that.
[13:32] <amell> i will wait for the raspi master.
[13:33] <mikestir-work> i'm waiting for the archimedes
[13:35] <amell> isnt it already almost an archimedes? :)
[13:35] Action: amell looks for the ilnk to riscos for raspi.
[13:35] <mikestir-work> I suppose it is
[13:35] <amell> http://www.raspberrypi.org/risc-os-for-raspberry-pi/
[13:36] <mikestir-work> yeah I played with that on it when I furst got it
[13:36] <mikestir-work> first*
[13:36] <mikestir-work> it runs xbmc now hidden behind the tv in the kitchen
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[13:37] <amell> incredible story how BBC Acorn turned into ARM and such ridiculous market penetration.
[13:37] <amell> shame the raspi doesnt have a 26 bit addressing fallback mode.
[13:38] <mattbrejza> i dont think thats the biggest issue with it
[13:38] <amell> all my old games require 26 bit arm
[13:39] <mikestir-work> presumably you could fudge it using the mmu
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[13:39] <mikestir-work> did the archimedes arm (arm3?) have an mmu?
[13:39] <amell> no, its 26 bit instruction set.
[13:39] <amell> yes, arm3 had MEMC.
[13:40] <mikestir-work> oh so the instruction set isn't even compatible
[13:40] <mikestir-work> oh well
[13:40] <amell> the PC and PSR were combined into one register.
[13:40] <amell> which basically f.cked up backwards compatibility from ARM6 on
[13:41] <amell> http://web.archive.org/web/20070809230809/http://www.arm.com/pdfs/Apps11vC.html
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[13:44] <fsphil> craag: my first batch one is faulty. stops responding after a few days use
[13:45] <fsphil> I need to put something on the serial console and find out if there are any errors
[13:46] <craag> I was going to show off the uptime, but I accidentally unplugged it a week ago :(
[13:46] <fsphil> aww
[13:46] <craag> was at a couple of months before that. Have you got the latest firmware on it?
[13:47] <fsphil> I've updated a few times, though not in the last few months
[13:47] <craag> Things seem a lot better on the 3.12 kernel - haven't had an unexplained hang at all this year.
[13:48] <fsphil> 3.12.20+
[13:48] <fsphil> uptime 16 hours
[13:48] <craag> :/
[13:48] <craag> sd card issue?
[13:49] <fsphil> possible. though it never has any filesystem errors when I reboot it
[13:49] <fsphil> worth trying though
[13:49] <fsphil> I've a few spares
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[13:50] <fsphil> only thing I found that affected it was using the camera, made it crash quicker
[13:50] <craag> dodgy psu/caps then?
[13:51] <fsphil> it's a new PSU but I suppose I could've gotten two faulty ones
[13:51] <craag> Hmm might be easier just to buy a new pi then..
[13:51] <fsphil> lol
[13:51] <fsphil> throw away this one on a balloon
[13:51] <fsphil> should last long enough to be dumped into the atlantic
[13:52] <craag> sounds good
[13:52] <fsphil> model B though
[13:52] <fsphil> not ideal
[13:52] <craag> have a watchdog timer that every 8 hours sends '$$AUTOMATICUPDATES,REBOOTING...'
[13:52] <craag> and resets it
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[13:53] <fsphil> then the 2 minutes of terror waiting for it to start transmitting again
[13:53] <fsphil> or set the kernel console to 300 baud
[13:53] <craag> 'Installing update 1 of unknown. Installing update 2 of unknown...'
[13:53] <craag> heh yes!
[13:54] <fsphil> "Filesystem errors detected. Please enter password for root or press enter to reset"
[13:54] <craag> 'Keyboard not detected. Press F1 to continue.'
[13:55] <fsphil> the old classic
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[14:00] <gonzo_> I keep meaning to set up a serial terminal for console on linux
[14:00] <fsphil> one thing at a time
[14:13] <amell> 15:12 up 14 days, 15:17, 4 users, load averages: 1.97 2.20 2.18
[14:13] <amell> thats my laptop.
[14:13] <pd3t> lol just booted mine a few days ago.
[14:13] <pd3t> 16:13:29 up 11 days < oeps 11 days ago ;)
[14:14] <pd3t> latop is always on. exempt when i'm on my way to work. since it's my holiday it will not be powered off ;)
[14:20] <fsphil> I've a Pi that's been on 101 days
[14:20] <fsphil> that's my best so far
[14:20] <pd3t> lemmi check my streaming server
[14:22] <pd3t> 23 days
[14:22] <pd3t> 23!vp
[14:23] <pd3t> Host 'pb1unx.intranet.local', running Linux 2.6.32-431.el6.x86_64 - Cpu0: Intel 1199 MHz Cpu1: Intel 3333 MHz Cpu2: Intel 1199 MHz Cpu3: Intel 1199 MHz; Up: 36d+2:13; Users: 7; Load: 0.22; Free: [Mem: 257/3632 Mio] [Swap: 3762/3776 Mio] [/: 44456/50397 Mio] [/boot: 392/485 Mio] [/home: 95485/100794 Mio] [/var: 296673/314054 Mio]; Vpenis: 194.8 cm;
[14:23] <pd3t> oeps
[14:24] <pd3t> not going to check my online servers as they are up for a much longer time.
[14:26] <fsphil> I'm not that fussed about uptime. better to update and reboot now and then
[14:27] <mikestir-work> I notice two things there pd3t. one is that you use the ".local" domain, which is a recipe for MDNS based disaster, and the second I'll leave as an exercise for the reader
[14:28] <pd3t> lol i don't use mdns in my network
[14:28] <mikestir-work> yeah but pretty much every modern distro comes with avahi-daemon enabled
[14:28] <mikestir-work> and having to keep stopping it to make names resolve is annoying
[14:28] <mikestir-work> (our lan here ends in .local as well)
[14:29] <pd3t> disable it or uninstall ... this is a minimal install so it doesn't even have avahi
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[14:29] <Amadiro> Anybody here used ardupilot before for something like a quadcopter or similar?
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[14:34] <amell> no, but thinking about it.
[14:34] <amell> looking at Naze at the moment.
[14:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> B-66 is up
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[14:53] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: HABUPDATE: B-66 is flying tracking http://t.co/fuo8anl947 #ukhas #hamr #hab
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[14:55] <Arjun13> Hi
[14:56] <Arjun13> I am doing my first HAB flight and wondered what to use. Either a rpi with pi in the sky or a arduino with habundio
[14:56] <Amadiro> amell, cool. I'm trying to figure out how much work it is to adapt it to a multicopter with more than 8 rotors
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[14:57] <amell> http://diydrones.com/forum/topics/max-number-of-channels-for-a-apm-2-5-ardupilot-mega-2-5-board
[14:57] <amell> next question? :)
[14:58] <Amadiro> I'm not going to use either the PWM outputs OR that board.
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[14:58] <amell> so, how are you doing it?
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[14:59] <Amadiro> motor controllers that can be talked to via i2c or can, perhaps
[14:59] <Amadiro> but the issue I'm more worried about is how to adapt the code to controlling them
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[15:00] <Arjun124234234> Sorry, broadband is dodgy; did I get any answers?
[15:01] <Amadiro> Arjun124234234, well, the pi is a bit more high-power and perhaps more easily extended, so it has that going for it
[15:01] <Amadiro> you can relatively easily just chunk a camera into it
[15:01] <Amadiro> but less robust and lacks a few features the arduinos have
[15:02] <Amadiro> I guess the main question is if having a camera is a must-have for you
[15:02] <Arjun124234234> Not as ssdr but I'm using a Gouri
[15:02] <Arjun124234234> Go pro
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[15:02] <Arjun124234234> Stupid autocorrect
[15:03] <fsphil> arduino might be handier for you. a Pi for just basic tracking may be overkill
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[15:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi, whats the story on icarus?
[15:25] <craag> OZ1SKY_Brian: THat'll be a playback of the test recording on the wiki
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[15:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ahh ok i was wondering
[15:27] <craag> We should really replace that with something without a payload doc
[15:27] <adamgreig> :P
[15:27] <fsphil> I could block it on spacenear
[15:28] <craag> It's blocked on habmap :P
[15:28] <fsphil> if rob launches again he can use a new payload name :)
[15:28] <craag> if (data[i].vehicle=="icarus") continue;
[15:29] <amell> lolz at the almost daily questions about icarus
[15:29] <amell> teach zeusbot to cover it automatically if someone mentions icarus'
[15:30] <fsphil> now blocked on spacenear
[15:31] <daveake-tab> Damn, I was going to tell
[15:31] <daveake-tab> Er
[15:31] <daveake-tab> I was going to trto
[15:31] <daveake-tab> l
[15:31] <amell> daveake is in Cambridgeshire on Thursday! Im honoured to be in the same county!
[15:31] <UpuWork> its ok Dave
[15:32] <UpuWork> we can call it $$1carus
[15:32] <daveake-tab> I give up
[15:32] <fsphil> lol
[15:32] <daveake-tab> Hah
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[15:32] <fsphil> icaruz
[15:33] <daveake-tab> I blame this tablet and not my eye
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[15:47] <astrobiologist> afternoon all
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[15:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Better put a notice on Habitat that payloads/flights called Icarus on't work!
[16:00] <adamgreig> I remember when we added a chase car filter to put car icons on chase cars
[16:00] <adamgreig> if the payload name contained "car" it would be a car
[16:01] <adamgreig> unfortunately icarus...
[16:01] <fsphil> hah
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[16:04] <astrobiologist> daedalus was his dad, try that instead?
[16:06] <mikestir-work> reminds me of an article about the problems residents of scunthorpe were having on the internet
[16:08] <astrobiologist> there is a rich vein of payloads named after figures from Greek mythology to be had
[16:08] <astrobiologist> some of them with ribald alternative meanings
[16:13] <astrobiologist> can habitat only take payload names in ascii incidentally, or unicode?
[16:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Takes Unicode
[16:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> it broke Habrotate the other week when one was uploaded ;-)
[16:14] <mattbrejza> that wasnt hte callsign, that was the flight name
[16:14] <astrobiologist> thanks Geofff
[16:18] <astrobiologist> how about the Y¼®½ payload?
[16:18] <adamgreig> surely the 💩 payload
[16:18] <astrobiologist> (from the Greek god of marriage?)
[16:19] <astrobiologist> or  Á¯±À¿Â ?
[16:20] <astrobiologist> good at protecting livestock and, well, staying up (appropriately)
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[16:30] <Maxell> B-RX'ing B-66 now :)
[16:31] <Maxell> $$B-6&,116,1H2D14S140715RCB.1N7-0.1432,9317,7,2,4.32,0.62*J?7Z :P
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[16:33] <astrobiologist> or how about bacchus, a god that requires almost constant jubilation and worship
[16:34] <astrobiologist> (I think that is basically Leo since there are probably at least three of his payloads live at any one time)
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[16:39] <pd3t> $$B-66,122,163559,140715,52.1276,-0.0951,10039,7,-3,4.31,0.69*C3F8
[16:39] <pd3t> ^^ @ Maxell
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[16:46] <pd3t> good afternoon/evening leo
[16:51] <pd3t> afk
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[17:19] <Reb-SM0ULC> Good evening!
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[17:22] <Reb-SM0ULC> climbing even higher with b66 :)
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[17:49] <amell> I saw the email just now, and i have missed the overflight of B-66
[17:50] <arko> don't blink
[17:50] <amell> its not allowed
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[18:28] <Boelle_DK> Hi, making a UKhas node and APRS repater on same pi board.... should there be anything wrong with that? also how does my board and schematic look? PCB: http://imgur.com/vq2g48n Schematic: http://imgur.com/41tD2jD
[18:28] <Boelle_DK> missing are 2nd SMA connector for APRS...
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[18:29] <Boelle_DK> and connector for soundcard... that is needed to do APRS both ways...
[18:29] <Boelle_DK> and bits to trigger receive on APRS... only got transmit on there
[18:29] <astrobiologist> I have received a cheapo frequency counter that I ordered but it doesn't seem to count frequency :-o it detects signals and even shows their strength in db. but nothing ever turns up for the frequency
[18:30] <astrobiologist> is it just broken or am I making some basic mistake? like they will only count SSB or CW or something? tested it with my fm handie
[18:30] <Boelle_DK> need an inverted PTT ie popsite working of what i have on for transmit... but they both need to work of the same GPIO pin
[18:31] <Boelle_DK> on/off to tune 3D printer
[18:32] <qyx_> your schematic is messy
[18:33] <mikestir> astrobiologist: should be ok with any continuous carrier, even if modulated
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[18:33] <qyx_> or i am too perfectionistic
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[18:34] <mikestir> astrobiologist: they generally won't count pulsed carriers like you'd get from a gsm or dect phone, for example
[18:34] <qyx_> Boelle_DK: you should really run ERC on that thing
[18:34] <amell> theres a new, long spacecollege posting up...
[18:35] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGMc91yJSgc - Onion on meteorology
[18:36] <astrobiologist> mikestr held down the ptt for a good long time on 144 and 434mhz. The range set is 50mhz-2.6ghz
[18:38] <mikestir> astrobiologist: got a link?
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[18:41] <Ron_G8FJG> astrobiologist, I looked it up ..and checked some reviews,,,should be ok , cant think what you may be doing wrong.
[18:42] <astrobiologist> http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.commco.co.za/yaege_fc.pdf&sa=U&ei=lXXFU4jDLcOP7AbVu4C4Bw&ved=0CB8QFjAI&usg=AFQjCNHi50MCa8yhCjfj1sMVhgUBnO-T0g
[18:42] <astrobiologist> it is the fc1. a bit different from the manual I found the link from - takes 3aaas instead of having own battery
[18:43] <astrobiologist> otherwise the same
[18:44] <astrobiologist> I have my handie with a telescopic whip, and the fc1's own rubber duck. holding down the ptt on my handie shows a db reading on the fc1. the closer to the fc1, the higher the db. close enough, and the automatic hold triggers on the fc1.... but never any frequency displayed. always 0.00000
[18:48] <mikestir> hmm. If there isn't some kind of hold mode enabled then I'd say it's faulty
[18:48] <mikestir> these handheld counters are normally very sensitive
[18:49] <astrobiologist> can operate it without automatic hold and with. need to get fairly close to trigger the hold
[18:53] <astrobiologist> I think it is bust, I tried the calibration mode - still shows 0.000000 and won't let me adjust it up and down.
[18:54] <Ron_G8FJG> just reading the spec I dont think you want the hold function operated, have you selected the correct freq range FC1 first range 10-50megs
[18:55] <Ron_G8FJG> if you dont get a reading , you wont be able to cal
[18:56] <astrobiologist> Ron_G8FJG I can select 10hz-100Mhz and 50Mhz-2.6Ghz on the FC1. surely I need the latter for 2m and 70cm?
[18:56] <Boelle_DK> BACK... going back and forth to babysit 3D printer
[18:56] <Boelle_DK> gyx... yes and drc
[18:57] <astrobiologist> boelle_DK: which printer?
[18:58] <Boelle_DK> astrobiologist: mendel90
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[18:58] <Ron_G8FJG> yes only the latter....looks like freq counter function not working
[18:58] <astrobiologist> Boelle_DK: I have a replicator2, thought pla would be easier
[19:00] <Boelle_DK> its bedlevel and height adjustment that troubles me today... need to make it level... then adjust height... then level again until both match
[19:00] <astrobiologist> Ron_G8FJG *rse... the slow boat from China strikes again...
[19:01] <Ron_G8FJG> its a pity, looks like such a good spec for £30
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[19:11] <Reb-SM0ULC> Boelle_DK: printing the boat? :)
[19:12] <Boelle_DK> not on the boat project anymore
[19:12] <Boelle_DK> so slowly going HAB as money allows
[19:12] <Reb-SM0ULC> Boelle_DK: so, printing balloon? ;)
[19:13] <GadgetDroid> Evening all
[19:13] <Upu> evening
[19:14] <Boelle_DK> not printing baloon either
[19:14] <Boelle_DK> just getting it to print right
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[19:26] <astrobiologist> possibly the replicator 2 is easier to level... never really had a problem with that. a couple of times I forgot to relevel altogether and it still printed ok
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[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[20:22] <astrobiologist> evening
[20:23] <astrobiologist> update on dodgy frequency counter: when I put the batteries in, or when I power it over a USB socket, it works momentarily. which means perhaps a dodgy cap charging?
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[20:25] <jededu> does fldigi track contestia
[20:26] <Upu> afc no
[20:26] <Upu> but turn RXID on
[20:27] <fsphil> rxid + auto retune
[20:28] <fsphil> though rxid false positives can ruin the party
[20:28] <jededu> where is autoretune
[20:29] <fsphil> DL Client > Configure
[20:29] <fsphil> on the Enable tab at the bottom
[20:29] <fsphil> "Frequency Tracking"
[20:29] <fsphil> if you have a radio that can be controlled by fldigi
[20:29] <fsphil> it will retune it to keep the signal within the audio bandpass
[20:30] <jededu> ahh got it
[20:30] <on4bhm> how can B66 be so stable in freq its -36degrees up there
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[20:30] <arko> how can it B?
[20:30] <Upu> ibanezmatt just passed his foundation
[20:31] <fsphil> nice!
[20:31] <arko> woooo!!!!
[20:31] <Upu> if anyone is surprised
[20:31] <fsphil> lol
[20:31] <fsphil> intermediate tomorrow then? :)
[20:31] <Upu> he turned up and spelt his name correct and passed
[20:32] <mfa298> woohhooo
[20:32] <daveake> haha
[20:32] <arko> seems legit
[20:32] <mfa298> Upu: you'll be able to have your 2nd radio contact at the conference with him then :p
[20:32] <Upu> haha
[20:32] <Upu> 3rd
[20:33] <Upu> 1st was Rob Harrions
[20:33] <Upu> 2nd Phil at the conference
[20:33] <fsphil> I had a baofeng with me last year, couldn't find the frequency anyone was on
[20:33] <daveake> Hmm, might bring mine, and (shock, horror) actually use it to talk to someone
[20:33] <Upu> me too
[20:34] <Upu> "MI0VIM this is M0UPU do you want to go down for breakfast"
[20:34] <fsphil> "zzzzzzzzz, over"
[20:34] <mfa298> I think a few people were on 145.350 although that was arranged quite late (I think craag suggested it on IRC on our way up)
[20:34] <arko> "roger, rubber ducky in route, over"
[20:34] <fsphil> I suppose it would be M0VIM unless that rule has changed
[20:34] <Upu> we'll do it again this time
[20:35] <daveake> Upu and I can talk about our eye problems
[20:35] <Upu> is anyone else wanting to come to the conference
[20:35] <fsphil> lol
[20:35] <Upu> haha daveake
[20:35] <arko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwaygKjs2fI
[20:35] <Upu> we really could do with some more attendees
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> Alas not here.
[20:37] <db_g6gzh> arko: you may recognise something in http://album.dbrooke.me.uk/tn/P1010677.JPG.html
[20:37] <arko> hahahaha!
[20:37] <arko> dude thats awesome!
[20:37] <pd3t> hmm b-66 is cooling down rapidly
[20:38] <arko> db_g6gzh: did i give that to you at conference?
[20:38] <astrobiologist> sell your soul, free tracker for every attendee?
[20:38] <db_g6gzh> yes, at the pub afterwards
[20:38] <arko> ah!
[20:38] <arko> awesome :)
[20:38] <astrobiologist> I'm not kidding really - it's a great conference
[20:38] <db_g6gzh> thanks
[20:39] <arko> hey, im ditching defcon in vegas for ukhas 2014
[20:39] <arko> for the second time
[20:39] <arko> flying halfway around the world
[20:39] <arko> i'd say it's worth it
[20:39] <fsphil> it's ok, we'll all try and hack your phone. make you feel at home
[20:39] <db_g6gzh> it took me a while to get round to sticking it on but did it a few months ago
[20:39] <arko> fsphil: <3
[20:40] <astrobiologist> Could we have merchandise stalls at the conference? trackers? balloons? etc
[20:40] <astrobiologist> anything to pull in punters?
[20:40] <fsphil> if steve is coming I'm sure he'd bring some stuff
[20:40] <arko> trench coat sellers
[20:41] <fsphil> if you ask him ahead of time
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[20:42] <DL1SGP> evening folks :)
[20:42] <arko> i need to make more stickers
[20:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LeoBodnar Hi, do you have a predict on 66?
[20:45] <DL1SGP> Hej Brian :)
[20:45] <fsphil> I predict it will float around for a bit
[20:46] <DL1SGP> hehe fsphil :)
[20:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi Felix and congrats on wc14
[20:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil good call :-)
[20:46] <DL1SGP> wc14?
[20:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Think Felix, it should be a easy one
[20:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Is it my dongle or is B-66 drifting low all of a sudden ?
[20:47] <astrobiologist> Leo could launch one balloon on the hour, every hour until the number matches the number of attendees at the conference?
[20:47] <DL1SGP> must have to do with soccer, Brian :)
[20:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> bingo :-)
[20:47] Action: DL1SGP would have liked Denmark to win WC14 :)
[20:48] <DL1SGP> guess it is time to bring up the shack notebook with 66 floating towards me :)
[20:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol not a chance
[20:48] <db_g6gzh> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: I just retuned, my last rx was 18min ago and it hadn't tracked the drift
[20:49] <g0hww> i can't get an RSID decode from B-66 now. it seems to be pathologically drifty
[20:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Mmm its drifting high during the transmission itself - Yes that's what caught my attention mine had lost track as well.
[20:49] <db_g6gzh> I have got RSID 'detector searches entire passband' enabled so it must have moved off fairly quickly
[20:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> likewise
[20:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> normally I can track it for days if its in range
[20:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> but tonight its not happy
[20:50] <g0hww> i think it drifts so much the RSID doesn't work
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[20:51] Action: DL1SGP grants B-66 the permission to make a backyard landing for maintenance... just make sure chicken are not out at that time :)
[20:51] <g0hww> drifts down when pinging and up when txing data
[20:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> yup the pips are drifting low again now
[20:51] <db_g6gzh> maybe this TCXO is not as good at lower temps, previously I think they've only drifted at even lower temperatures
[20:51] <Nickle_> Quick Question. The conference on Saturday. What's the start and finish time? Thanks Nick
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[20:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> didn't get that RSID either
[20:52] <Upu> 10am -> 5pm
[20:52] <Upu> Nickle_ I'll be mailing people out with itineary but we will be going to the pub afterwards
[20:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Was anything happening about a meal ?
[20:52] <DL1SGP> Goeden Avond PE2G
[20:53] <PE2G> Gutenabend DL1SGP
[20:53] <Nickle_> So will I. Niece is getting married, and the hubby to be's stag do is in Greenwich. OK 10 - 5pm is good. I can skip a couple of hours of heavy drinking
[20:53] <Nickle_> Thanks
[20:55] <Upu> Yeah I'll sort that out Geoff-G8DHE
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[20:55] <Upu> nps
[20:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> OK , I'll sort out later trains in that case!
[20:56] <Upu> please do buy tickets soon for the conference as I will ahve to close registrations in about 2 weeks
[20:57] <on4bhm> no decode anymore due to freq drift
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[20:58] <db_g6gzh> same here, 2 reds that time
[20:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Could be the temperature is really low at the current height 13.5Kms
[20:58] <db_g6gzh> Upu: there's only one of me
[20:59] <db_g6gzh> which is probably a good thing
[20:59] <g0hww> perhaps the APRS on B-66 works better due to its short tx time. too far for me to receive that though
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[21:01] <on4bhm> what is aprs freq of B66?
[21:01] <pd3t> 144.800
[21:01] <g0hww> it was about 100Hz down from the pips
[21:01] <Reb-SM0ULC> 144.8 ?
[21:01] <on4bhm> ok
[21:01] <g0hww> i decoded some packets earlier
[21:03] <g0hww> excuse the paste ...
[21:03] <g0hww> AFSK1200: fm M0XER-6 to APRS66-0 UI^ pid=F0
[21:03] <g0hww> !/4*$dNj\UO II+1/A=044714 ISM 10mW|#&P@&s?A!*|
[21:04] <db_g6gzh> it's sending APRS on 144.8 and 434.5
[21:04] <g0hww> oh, i didn't listen on 2m
[21:04] <g0hww> i got that on 70cm
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[21:05] <g0hww> although the 2m is probably geofenced
[21:05] <db_g6gzh> yes, what I've heard off-air on 144.8 is at http://paste.debian.net/109991/
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[21:07] <db_g6gzh> I didn't have much luck with the APRS on 434.5 even when it was close to me so I suspect that my TNC needs a longer preamble to sync
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[21:08] <g0hww> yep, i used gqrx and an FCDPro+ dongle to get that decode. my D72 couldn't hear it
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[21:09] <g0hww> woot, a green
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[21:10] <db_g6gzh> red+green so I think it must have missed RSID and then drifted back in for the 2nd
[21:11] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: whoops forgot to retune tx here
[21:11] <Maxell> lost 56 minutes of telemetry :P
[21:12] <Maxell> but the most fun part (above .nl) is still going
[21:12] <G8KNN> I get the feeling the drift rate is lower on the second sentence
[21:12] <G8KNN> and so makes it more reliable
[21:13] <db_g6gzh> oh, g0hww ... thanks for fcsched, using it on a BBB with FCD
[21:13] <g0hww> db_g6gzh, cool, nice to hear that somebody uses it :)
[21:13] <db_g6gzh> could be Jon, temperature probably changes more soon after the tx is on
[21:14] <G8KNN> yes. It does seem worse than others B's
[21:14] <db_g6gzh> g0hww: just using an omni so only get some of the high power beacons but all my warehouse upload is from that
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[21:17] <g0hww> db_g6gzh, and you are beating me in the rankings :( mind you i have a noise source that nails the 2nd half of the pass, so i'm not doing too badly, and obviously the windows users had a few months head start
[21:17] <daveake> congrats ibanezmatt13
[21:17] <db_g6gzh> my setup was left on listening watch for B flights and appears to have started decoding B-66 all by itself as soon as it was in range
[21:17] <ibanezmatt13> cheers! wait, you found out quick... :)
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[21:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yes good news, ll the best.
[21:18] <mfa298> well done ibanezmatt13
[21:18] <ibanezmatt13> thanks all! I've asked at the club if I can get the intermediate out the way before college
[21:19] <daveake> yeah do it
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[21:19] <ibanezmatt13> Then advanced, but that'll be slower just because I'll be doing A level stuff
[21:19] <mfa298> full by Christmas ?
[21:19] <daveake> advanced does take a bit more effort
[21:19] <ibanezmatt13> If I was being optimistic, I'd aim for that mfa298. Just depends on workload at college
[21:20] <daveake> in my case the effort was re-awakening brain cells that lay dormant for 40 years
[21:20] <mikestir> congrats ibanezmatt13
[21:20] <ibanezmatt13> thanks Mike. I'll get you on Billinge hill in 2 weeks :P
[21:21] <mfa298> at least with the Full you've got the excuse of more limited exam dates.
[21:21] <craag> ibanezmatt13: Well done!
[21:21] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, thanks craag :)
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[21:21] <craag> I hope you found it tediously easy ;)
[21:21] <mikestir> could someone approve b83aa78ccd09fd45bb03aff802938ecd please
[21:22] <ibanezmatt13> I did, but one I got wrong was very dissapointing to do with EMC but ah well :)
[21:22] <mikestir> did you remember that the answer to the safety ones is always the most gruesome
[21:22] <craag> There's always a couple of nasty ones.
[21:22] <ibanezmatt13> haha, yep mikestir
[21:22] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, they're worded strangely a few of them
[21:23] <db_g6gzh> g0hww: congrats ibanezmatt13 (I'm guessing foundation passed from context)
[21:23] <ibanezmatt13> you guessed correctly :)
[21:23] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[21:24] <Reb-SM0ULC> db_g6gzh: what type of receiver?
[21:24] <db_g6gzh> g0hww: I think it's just that it's on all the time rather than that it's particularly good performance
[21:24] <ibanezmatt13> getting sick of flaming wire antennas though. Have an 897 sitting there not doing anything as we can't work out what antenna will actually work in our very small garden
[21:24] <DL1SGP> matt :)
[21:24] <mfa298> strange wording seems to be a common thing for multiple choice type exams
[21:24] <db_g6gzh> Reb-SM0ULC: for funcube-1 I'm using original FCD
[21:25] <ibanezmatt13> hey DL1SGP :)
[21:25] <mikestir> one of the questions on my advanced had two correct answers
[21:25] <mikestir> don't know if I picked the right one
[21:25] <mikestir> it was about PME electrical installations
[21:26] <g0hww> db_g6gzh, here too. the Pro+ is too useful for other things
[21:26] <craag> PME always divides opinions
[21:26] <Reb-SM0ULC> db_g6gzh: ah, thought about for balloons, maybe SDR something with wide bw to fl-digi, but then leos are more or less the same fq...
[21:27] <mikestir> one (I think this is the one I picked) was that it must have an earth rod at the incomer. The other was that earth and neutral are at the same potential, which is also true because they're connected together at the incomer
[21:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn all
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[21:28] <db_g6gzh> I should get a Pro+ but the SDR environment on my PC here has been totally trashed for a few months now and I haven't had time to clean up and start again.
[21:28] <astrobiologist> craag: can I ask you about soldering for the intermediate?
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[21:29] <craag> astrobiologist: Of course, -> PM
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[21:30] <db_g6gzh> Reb-SM0ULC: for HAB I use an Icom IC-R7000 with habamp (and somtimes also an IC-451E and FT-780R all fed from the habamp on busy days)
[21:33] <db_g6gzh> and as there was nothing else up I had just left it on 434.5 with RSID on in dl-fldigi
[21:34] <g0hww> i have a hackrf and a USRP to keep me busy
[21:34] <db_g6gzh> nice, I want to do more SDR once I have fixed my gnuradio environment
[21:36] <SpeedEvil> Anyone need a new chase vehicle? It comes with 8 antennas. http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/hvn/4493372708.html
[21:36] <SpeedEvil> Oooh - an actual on topic!
[21:36] <SpeedEvil> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sea/4500982207.html
[21:36] <arko> hahahahaha
[21:37] <db_g6gzh> 8-)
[21:38] <db_g6gzh> I was hoping the first would be some nice ex-military kit
[21:45] <mfa298> the 2nd one sounds like one to list on the wiki for: Why we don't use SPOT!
[21:45] <db_g6gzh> what a mess http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=M0XER-6
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[21:51] <pd3t> grrr b66 is drifting so much i'm unable to decode it
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[21:54] <DutchMillbt> Me2 can't decode signal is drifting...
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[22:02] <ibanezmatt13> not seen a pic of this for ages... norb's first payload driving down to first launch: https://flic.kr/p/gHkbhq
[22:03] <lz1dev> nice ribbon cable
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:04] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, the highlight of the whole box was the ribbon cable :)
[22:05] <fsphil> flickr and spacenear seem to be broken here
[22:06] <ibanezmatt13> you're not on bt are you? :P
[22:06] <fsphil> thankfully not
[22:07] <mfa298> IPv6 playing up ?
[22:07] Action: mfa298 assumes flickr might be on ipv6
[22:07] <fsphil> hmm could be, though I'm IRC'ing through ipv6
[22:07] <fsphil> ooh wait I'm not
[22:07] <fsphil> ipv4 to my vps
[22:08] <fsphil> hmm google is fine over ipv6
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[22:18] <chrisstubbs> Is tweetBot borked?
[22:18] Action: craag kicks tweetbot
[22:19] <chrisstubbs> Anyway I've been playing - New blog post: NavSpark based RTTY HAB tracker - http://chris-stubbs.co.uk/wp/?p=509
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[22:21] <tweetBot> @NSEballoon: Testing... 123... #ukhas
[22:21] <chrisstubbs> :)
[22:22] <craag> I don't think it copes with netsplits too well
[22:24] <ibanezmatt13> night all
[22:25] <chrisstubbs> laters ibanezmatt13
[22:25] <ibanezmatt13> btw nice project chris ^ looks good. see ya
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[22:46] <Boelle_DK> Q: Whats the story on BALLOONOLO-3 ?? seems pretty active but on ground
[22:46] <Boelle_DK> should it not be cleared off the map if its only in testing stage?
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[22:48] <Boelle_DK> and what about SP3OSJ and B63+B64... are they not to be considered gone? or is it too early?
[22:51] <Boelle_DK> VK3YT-8 is also a few days old
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[22:58] <mfa298> Boelle_DK: looks like BALLOONOLO-3 is testing at the moment so can't really be cleared. as for the others they'll probably get cleared at some point but for long term floaters they could be quiet for a few days then reappear when they get back in range.
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[22:59] <Boelle_DK> oki
[22:59] <amell> looks like i lost B-66 at 193km
[23:00] <Boelle_DK> B66 can pause transmits....
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[23:00] <Boelle_DK> think it reduced transmits at night to save power
[23:00] <Boelle_DK> not sure
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[23:03] <Boelle_DK> yep
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[23:03] <Boelle_DK> last decode was 23.00
[23:03] <Boelle_DK> 23.02
[23:04] <Boelle_DK> but now 3 listners on it
[23:04] <Boelle_DK> amell: so its still there :-D
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[23:13] <amell> reading back in the log.
[23:14] <amell> chrisstubbs: will be very interested to hear how first flight of your navspark goes. it looks like a perfect solution for picos.
[23:18] <Boelle_DK> amell: think you wrote to him in wrong channel :-P
[23:19] <Boelle_DK> btw.... with dl-fldigi the way to start it is to open and pick a flight and hit auto-config... as soon it comes in to range the waterfall should be more and more yellow right?
[23:19] <amell> nope he posted here at 11.19pm
[23:19] <bertrik> hm, I probably should be able to receive B-66 now with a random piece of wire, it's like only 35 km from my home now :)
[23:20] <Boelle_DK> amell: oh... i could not see him in here... so thought you where in wrong channel :-P
[23:20] <Boelle_DK> bertrik: lucky fuck.... me can onlu hope it takes a swing north :-D
[23:21] <amell> oh looks like he left at 11.54
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[23:34] <Boelle_DK> dooh think i have connected the hapamp wrong
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[23:41] <Maxell> ggrmbl too much B-66 drift
[23:42] <Maxell> Tune margin now on 64... I wonder if it helps (was already on 16)
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[23:46] <Maxell> No not sure if it gets worse don't feel like waiting another round
[23:46] <Maxell> might require manual tuning against the heating up
[23:47] <Boelle_DK> all i can see are 1 straight yellow line and one that yep drifts off to one side....
[23:47] <Boelle_DK> but cant even get garbage yet
[23:47] <Boelle_DK> go north :-d
[23:49] <Boelle_DK> me also have suggested that dl-fdigi reported back to server the freq when good decodes comes in
[23:49] <Boelle_DK> and that users can either use that as freq... or do like normal
[23:50] <amell> dl-fldigi, in many configurations, has no idea what frequency is being used
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[23:50] <Boelle_DK> so when first decodes comes in all the others can lock to that
[23:50] <amell> if it is used via virtual audio cable, then it wont know.
[23:50] <Boelle_DK> nope...
[23:51] <Boelle_DK> it should also be an option....
[23:51] <amell> also radio calibration is different for everyone
[23:51] <Boelle_DK> that too
[23:51] <Boelle_DK> but it could give an idea...
[23:51] <amell> I have not yet found a way to control Gqrx from dl-fldigi.
[23:51] <Boelle_DK> well call it a brainfart from my side :-D
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