highaltitude.log.20140714

[00:00] <db_g6gzh> losing signal now
[00:00] <Ron_G8FJG> $CHEAPO,1323,235235,51.462559,01.050330,3302,0,11,4.20,10*8ADF
[00:00] <Paul_M0PFX_> decoding fine here
[00:00] <amell> why isnt snus updating for the last 8 min?
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[00:01] <Ron_G8FJG> its sending the same info over and over
[00:01] <amell> the rfm temp is changing
[00:01] <amell> and battery voltage
[00:02] <Paul_M0PFX_> the only thing different is the payload number, temp, and checksum
[00:02] <Paul_M0PFX_> loosing it now
[00:03] <Paul_M0PFX_> yep lost it completely here
[00:03] <amell> -splash-
[00:03] <Ron_G8FJG> lost it at number 1335 :-(
[00:03] <amell> looking at habitat telemetry
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[00:03] <amell> snus seems to have ignored the last updates
[00:04] <amell> chrisstubbs: splashdown, but the gps locked up at 4.2V, no idea why.
[00:04] <chrisstubbs_mob> it was showing 0sats
[00:04] <chrisstubbs_mob> yeah, just lost it off my radio
[00:04] <chrisstubbs_mob> I can only assume it was dew forming on the gps as it warmed up?
[00:05] <amell> g6gzh suggested iceball and something shorted.
[00:05] <db_g6gzh> hmm, the last ept entry was $$CHEAPO,1060,225937 so looks like that stopped at midnight too
[00:05] <amell> midnight?
[00:05] <chrisstubbs_mob> oh the flight doc expired arse
[00:05] <db_g6gzh> midnight local time
[00:05] <Ron_G8FJG> amell thanks for the swim, time to get up soon!
[00:06] <amell> oh. can we recover the data from telemetry
[00:06] <db_g6gzh> I have a log of what I received I think
[00:06] <chrisstubbs_mob> I have all the scrollback on my dlfldigi
[00:06] <chrisstubbs_mob> but the data past midnight won't be linked to the flight doc
[00:06] <amell> bugger
[00:07] <jededu> amell http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
[00:07] <jededu> ahh chrisstubbs
[00:07] <Ron_G8FJG> night all
[00:07] <Paul_M0PFX_> night
[00:07] <amell> got up to sentence 1060 in that export
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[00:08] <db_g6gzh> yeah, I have a local log file, give me a minute and I'll extract the CHEAPO lines and put it somewhere
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[00:09] <chrisstubbs> http://paste.chris-stubbs.co.uk/lbdbEOHI
[00:09] <amell> 1335 is last one here
[00:09] <chrisstubbs> wow my pastebin has a lot of spam
[00:09] <db_g6gzh> http://paste.debian.net/109568/
[00:09] <amell> i think we have plenty. thanks :)
[00:09] <amell> night all
[00:09] <chrisstubbs> what a shitty capcha
[00:09] <chrisstubbs> night amell
[00:10] <db_g6gzh> chrisstubbs: it stopped just as it warmed up to 0
[00:10] <chrisstubbs> yeah, strange
[00:11] <chrisstubbs> I'll have a look at the data tomorrow
[00:11] <chrisstubbs> night!
[00:11] <amell> that was sentence 1292. and voltage also increased a lot then too
[00:11] <db_g6gzh> night
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[00:11] <jededu> night
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[00:16] <amell> how do i display one payload on snus?
[00:16] <amell> ?filter doesnt work
[00:17] <db_g6gzh> settings tab
[00:17] <chrisstubbs_mob> case sensitive
[00:17] <db_g6gzh> http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=CHEAPO
[00:17] <db_g6gzh> for example
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[00:22] <amell> thanks. captured stuff. that was fun, must do it again sometime
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[05:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> ..
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[06:10] <Upu> looks like Cheap may have come down in an off shore wind farm
[06:10] <Upu> Cheapo
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[06:11] <joeman1> hi
[06:11] <Upu> morning
[06:11] <joeman1> Is there anything 'special' I should look in for a Helium gas regulator?
[06:11] <joeman1> (afternoon here)
[06:12] <Upu> time zones :)
[06:12] <joeman1> local gas shop says an Oxygen regulator will fit the Helium cylinder
[06:12] <joeman1> gmt+1 here
[06:12] <joeman1> 10
[06:12] <Upu> yeah will do
[06:12] <Upu> but normally the Helium cylinders have a balloon filler
[06:12] <joeman1> all the one with a 'teet'
[06:12] <Upu> which is like a rubber nozzle you push down to release the gas
[06:12] <joeman1> yes, that is one option I have, but don't want to be holding it to the 'left' all the time
[06:13] <joeman1> so was going to attach own tube to a more 'generic' one (non teet)
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[06:16] <Upu> they don't take long to fill
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[06:16] Action: joeman1 nods
[06:18] <joeman1> I like the idea that it means that there is less 'hands' on with a tap, rather then a teet
[06:18] <joeman1> Will do a 'trial' infation to make sure it 'works' ok before doing real thing
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[06:31] <MightyMik> there's a new raspi... the B+
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[06:38] <Upu> whats the link to Phils HAB Map ?
[06:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/ ??
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[06:40] <Upu> thanks Mike
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[07:04] <saadzmirza> Is anyone here?
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[07:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> MightyMik: looks like some nice additions to the pi http://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/#introducing-raspberry-pi-model-b-plus
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[07:49] <mfa298> ooooh, reading the comments on the blog post looks like the 2nd pwm channel is available on the GPIO now.
[07:49] <jededu> ping upu
[07:49] <Upu> hi jededu
[07:49] <jededu> pm
[07:55] <Upu> ping mikestir-work
[07:55] <Upu> predict.habhub.org/hourly/middletownhill
[07:55] <es5nhc> Good Moaning!
[07:56] <Upu> good moaning indeed
[07:56] <es5nhc> In case anyone missed, that was reference to TV series Allo' Allo
[07:57] <daveake> That didn't piss us by
[07:57] <es5nhc> I see you had launches over the weekend
[07:57] <es5nhc> Weather over here in .ee is a minefield
[07:58] <es5nhc> Even as I speak there is a warning about thunderstorm threat for whole mainland
[07:58] <jededu> Ive got the screenshots if you want to delete eduhab2
[07:58] <es5nhc> Wut, SP3OSJ is still alive?!
[07:58] <es5nhc> I mean the balloon of course
[08:00] <es5nhc> Now over Kola peninsula, I see
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[08:11] <mikestir-work> Upu: cheers
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[08:16] <Reb-SM0ULC> Morrn!
[08:17] <sp2ipt> es5nhc: OSJ in person is also alive ;)
[08:17] <Reb-SM0ULC> :)
[08:18] <es5nhc> Of course :)
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[08:18] <es5nhc> But yeah, guess the weather is warm enough...
[08:18] <Reb-SM0ULC> seems like osj-balloon spurred some great interest in HABing due to its slow and double journey over Sweden
[08:19] <es5nhc> Yeah, it seems to have circled the whole Nordic region :)
[08:20] <Reb-SM0ULC> i like the 90-degree turn it did one morning
[08:20] <sp2ipt> what's with B-64 trace? Or should I say traces? :)
[08:23] <Upu> play back issues
[08:23] <amell> Upu: cheapo flight doc expired at midnight, is there an easy way to import the 300 or so missing sentences?
[08:24] <Upu> sure it didn't come down around then ?
[08:25] <amell> no. it came down at 1.30am ish.
[08:25] <Upu> probably going to remove it anyway
[08:25] <Upu> paste the last point
[08:25] <amell> telemetry goes up to sentence 1060, i have 300 more sentences.
[08:26] <amell> $$$$CHEAPO,1335,235235,51.462559,01.050330,3302,0,11,4.36,15*D274
[08:26] <amell> 1am ish :)
[08:26] <amell> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=CHEAPO - the data after 0000 is missing.
[08:27] <amell> looks like it went up at one point during the slow descent.
[08:27] <Upu> would probably do with deleting anyway
[08:28] <jededu> Just for fun and information I just inflated a pawan 100 to bursting point, ok I used argon and it diddnt have time to stretch but it diddnt make 1.6m it burst at around 1.5m
[08:28] <Upu> interesting jededu
[08:28] <amell> argon? talk about lead balloons.
[08:28] <jededu> louder than i expected
[08:28] <amell> :)
[08:29] <amell> tbh i think argon will pop louder than helium
[08:30] <amell> how long did you spend inflating it?
[08:31] <jededu> only about 10 mins need to do a proper test
[08:31] <amell> i have a dive cylinder of 50% nitrox, which i think has enough gas in it. Might try it later.
[08:32] <jededu> Cool
[08:32] <amell> how did you measure the diameter?
[08:33] <jededu> 2 poles suspended from the roof as was the balloon
[08:33] <jededu> in my shed
[08:33] <amell> were you in the shed when it exploded?
[08:33] <jededu> noooo
[08:33] Action: amell visualises jededu staggering out of his shed in an argon stupor.
[08:34] <jededu> just set the flow valve off my tig
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[08:34] <jededu> Ill put a gopro in next time :)
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[08:37] <jededu> Things we doo anyway work calls
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[09:24] <Upu> going to delete Cheapo unless you want it leaving amell
[09:25] <amell> its fine, presume telemetry will still be in habitat
[09:25] <Upu> yup
[09:27] <Maxell> Parachute too big and went for a swim?
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[09:38] <pd3t> hmm
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[09:40] <Boelle_DK> Upu... thanks for the mail... quite a nice board
[09:40] <Upu> welcome
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[09:55] <amell> Maxell: ascent rate was much slower than planned. was supposed to be 3 m/s not 1.5 m/s
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[09:56] <amell> the habhub burst calculator cannot be trusted for 100g
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[10:01] <daveake> worked for me for the 100gg
[10:01] <daveake> got 0.7m/s as planned
[10:02] <amell> i had 60g free lift for 3m/s ascent rate.
[10:02] <amell> it actually did 1.7-1.8m/s
[10:03] <amell> jededu reports same findings.
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28276525 woo
[10:06] Action: SpeedEvil for one is entirely for a space-base 25 miles from me.
[10:14] <daveake> maybe only good for low ascent rates then
[10:14] <daveake> Or my non-drug-dealer scales may not be precise enough :p
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[10:19] <SpeedEvil> Lightly sand the outside of the balloon to increase ascent
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[10:35] <Boelle_DK> Seems like siberia sucks in HAB's these days... maybe they have some secret stuff going on there :-P
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[10:40] <Oddstr13> 6 days left of the VoCore campaign https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vocore-a-coin-sized-linux-computer-with-wifi/x/6245032
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[10:49] <staylo> Hope nobody's thinking of using that (vocore) in a payload :) RT5350F is surprisingly power hungry.
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[10:56] <Boelle_DK> Q: while assembling coilheads for my e-cig i wondered if APRS could be used to transmit pics like SSTV can be?
[10:56] <Boelle_DK> just for those long term flights pic could be nice
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[11:02] <mfa298> Boelle_DK: there's a bit of space for custom data but the packet length is limited and the packet rate is limited
[11:02] <mfa298> so maybe a picture a day if it's in range of igates long enough.
[11:03] <Boelle_DK> :-/ just a brainfart, but one is better than 0 :-P
[11:04] <mfa298> but then you'll also need to find a super light camera (every gram on those flights counts) and something that's easy to interface with a basic microcontroller (AVR/PIC)
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[11:14] <SpeedEvil> http://www.warpboard.org/ - I wish was a bit cheaper
[11:14] <SpeedEvil> s/bit/lot/
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[11:36] <myier> yes and the i.MX controller has a special video link that makes things very simple, except finding a compatible camera
[11:37] <myier> maybe not all versions though
[11:38] <myier> for example this one has: http://www.armadeus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Using_the_i.MX27_video_codec
[11:45] <Boelle_DK> hehe... i just wondered if the pi in sky could be programmed for it... of course i would need a 144Mhz transmitter for it
[11:45] <Boelle_DK> but well never mind my crazy ideas
[11:45] <Boelle_DK> the pop in at random
[11:46] <craag> lots of ideas = good. But have a go at following one through to get a better idea on what's achievable.
[11:46] <fsphil> I'll be doing SSDV over APRS at some point
[11:47] <fsphil> but it'll be at a fairly slow rate
[11:47] <fsphil> and fairly tiny images
[11:48] <Boelle_DK> nothing wrong with that... i was told by an local radioamatour that APRS could get a long reach if there is line of sight
[11:48] <fsphil> oh it can
[11:48] <Boelle_DK> and if you are licensed you can always amp the signal as you need
[11:48] <fsphil> the lower power aprs flights have shown it can work pretty well
[11:48] <Boelle_DK> but of course you have limits in a HAB
[11:48] <Boelle_DK> battery / power
[11:48] <craag> well with 13mW you can do ~LOS with aprs
[11:48] <craag> Leo has proved that
[11:49] <craag> more power won't get you much further
[11:49] <fsphil> I've a feeling the binary image data will crash a few igates
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[11:50] <craag> fsphil: Well the ones that strip out the comment and add their own callsign will be ok ;)
[11:50] <mattbrejza> even more reason to try?
[11:50] <fsphil> exactly :)
[11:50] <Boelle_DK> while at igates.. going to set up one next month... will be based on ras pi
[11:50] <amell> liking the naming of the raspi B+ - name is a nod towards Acorn :)
[11:50] <amell> The BBC B+ came after the BBC B.
[11:51] <amell> Think the next raspi will be the Raspi master.
[11:51] Action: fsphil is waiting for the ZX Pi
[11:51] <Boelle_DK> dire wolf software
[11:51] <myier> anybody knows what is the starting and ending time of the UKHAS 2014 conference?
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[11:51] <Upu> about 10am start 1700 finish
[11:51] <myier> ok thanks Upu
[11:52] <Upu> then pub
[11:52] Action: amell has never been to a conference with 10am start. The ones i go to start at 6am
[11:52] <myier> if I come, I'll get a flight in the evening
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[11:52] <fsphil> 6am is inhuman
[11:52] <amell> tell me about it
[11:53] <mfa298> 6am start with a ~2hour drive would be even worse
[11:53] <Upu> whats the conference about ? "People who get up too early an annual conference"
[11:53] <mfa298> 10am start was plenty early enough.
[11:54] <amell> oh, just discovered on wikipedia that Ian Mcnaught-davies died in Feb this year :(
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[11:58] <fsphil> before my time that program. there wasn't many factual computer stuff on telly when I was growing up
[12:04] <mikestir-work> must re-watch micromen
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[12:50] <Laurenceb_> has anyone here used the roving networks rn-42 bluetooth module?
[12:50] <Laurenceb_> i cant get an rfomm connection to it
[12:50] <Laurenceb_> *rfcomm
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[13:07] <LZ1NY> lz1dev "C: ??
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[13:17] <lz1dev> LZ1NY: zdr :)
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[14:39] <amell> anyone know if the new Pi B+ GPIO header is backward compatible with older Pi expansion boards?
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[14:52] <Miek> amell: the new one has the same pinout as the model b for the first 26 pins, so the only issue would be if the connector is too large
[14:53] <mattbrejza> not sure that any of the shields will fit as the connector and screw holes arnt in exactly the same place
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[15:01] <jededu> Amell yes the first 26 pins are the same
[15:03] <mattbrejza> no more uart pins though
[15:04] <mattbrejza> or anythinbg interesting
[15:04] <daveake> :(
[15:04] <mattbrejza> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bplus-gpio
[15:04] <mattbrejza> unless they havnt labelled
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbHnSu-DLR4 - Falcon 9 launch at :15
[15:09] <daveake> No, the extra serial port is definitely not available. I did ask
[15:10] <daveake> Well, not available at the same time as the main one
[15:10] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: how long to launch?
[15:10] <Laurenceb_> oh nvm
[15:11] <SpeedEvil> Pretty snowflakes
[15:11] Action: SpeedEvil hopes for more in-flight coverage.
[15:15] <jededu> Im playing with these at the moment http://imgur.com/97DoPGN
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[15:19] <Reb-SM0ULC> jededu: BASIC ?! :)
[15:20] <jededu> mmbasic yes
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[15:54] <DL7AD> ping pong!
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[15:58] <Reb-SM0ULC> icmp echo request;icmp echo reply;
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[16:31] <Guest57819> How to use ChDK to set my camera shutdown after take videos?
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[16:44] <Boelle_DK> Q: going to make my colinear soon... would this way be ok to do it: http://www.rason.org/Projects/collant/collant.pdf
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[16:48] <mfa298> Boelle_DK: that link doesn't open for me, but you may find a simple vertical is easier to make (similar to what's used on a balloon payload). For any antenna you do need to make sure the lengths match the band you're using.
[16:49] <Boelle_DK> Upu wondered if my egale files for the UKhasnode/gateway shold be put on the site? will go over them this evening and fire them off to china
[16:49] <Boelle_DK> mfa298: strange.... opens fine here
[16:50] <mfa298> you also need to consider if the type of antennas is good for what you're trying to do. A Higher gain colinear is good for ground (or close to the horizon comms. It may not be so good if something is overhead.
[16:50] <Boelle_DK> but i can quickly descrip how its build.... bits of RG58 ... center on first connected to shield on the next and so on
[16:51] <Boelle_DK> well its more the that i cant stick out an antenna here
[16:52] <Boelle_DK> and no roof access
[16:52] <mfa298> I've managed to get a cached version
[16:52] <Boelle_DK> i could sneak an colinear out since window frames are white and white PCV tube would blend in well
[16:54] <mfa298> that design of antenna is going to be quite large to stick out a window.
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[16:55] <mfa298> 8 1/2 wavelengths of coax plus bits on top and bottom
[16:55] <Boelle_DK> 8 1/4
[16:55] <Boelle_DK> and 2 1/2
[16:56] <Boelle_DK> duh... you are right
[16:56] <mfa298> I saw 8x 1/2 and 2x 1/4
[16:56] <Boelle_DK> yeah me mixed it up
[16:56] <mfa298> even if you were right that's at least 2m tall.
[16:57] <mfa298> for 70cm. if you wanted to make one for ARPS it's going to be twice as bit
[16:57] <mfa298> s/bit/big/
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[16:57] <Laurenceb_> anyone here used bluetooth modules on linux?
[16:58] <Laurenceb_> i seem to have a problem
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[16:58] <Boelle_DK> mfa298: yepp.... damm long
[16:58] <Boelle_DK> 5 meters for 144 for APRS
[16:59] <mfa298> Laurenceb_: I have a bit, and had more issues than others seem to have with serial devices (gps modules) on windows
[16:59] <Boelle_DK> more than the floor height where i live
[16:59] <Laurenceb_> mfa298: ok maybe you can help
[16:59] <Laurenceb_> i have edited rfcomm.conf with the mac address of the device i want to use
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[17:00] <mfa298> what sort of device is it ?
[17:01] <Laurenceb_> roving networks rn-42 module
[17:01] <Laurenceb_> so ive edited rfcomm.conf
[17:01] <Laurenceb_> the restarted bluetooth
[17:01] <Laurenceb_> Can't connect RFCOMM socket: Connection refused
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[17:02] <mfa298> I've never done anything with bluetooth that's required editing files.
[17:02] <Laurenceb_> ok
[17:03] <mfa298> however that sounds like something the bluetooth software needs either doesn't exist or has had permissions
[17:03] <mfa298> are you restarting it as root?
[17:03] <Laurenceb_> yes
[17:03] <Laurenceb_> ok i got it working
[17:03] <Laurenceb_> connected the device to windows then released it
[17:04] <Laurenceb_> i suspect it was connected to linux all the time as a modem or something
[17:05] <mfa298> is it setup to appear as a serial port on linux ?
[17:05] <Laurenceb_> yes
[17:05] <mfa298> sounds like the pain I've had with bluetooth and linux before.
[17:06] <mfa298> networkmanager saw a serial device and assumes it's a modem to opens it up and keeps trying to send AT commands to it.
[17:06] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[17:06] <mfa298> in my case it was a bluetooth gps module.
[17:06] <mfa298> I didn't find a fix for that (I was using fedora)
[17:07] <Laurenceb_> kill -9 networkmanager
[17:08] <mfa298> that might do it temporarily although could give issues with networking after a bit (not an issue if the machine is standalone)
[17:08] <Laurenceb_> heh
[17:10] <mfa298> oddly I've never had the issues with serial devices on windows that others seem to have (where windows thinks any serial device is a mouse)
[17:15] <Maxell> Not sure here about bluetooth all I have to do is run `rfcomm bind 0 20:13:07:19:10:27 1` thats all
[17:17] <Laurenceb_> yeah i wanted to avoid putting in the mac address each time
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[18:28] <Boelle_DK> Ping Upu or UpuWork
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[19:35] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> hi all, What freq is icarus on?
[19:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Its not
[19:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> It was is a test file of a old flight
[19:36] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> oh :) that explains why I didn't hear anything, thanks
[19:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Used for testing purposes
[19:37] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> ok, tnx
[19:38] <amell> what no flights tonight?
[19:39] <amell> W7Q0 looks like a floater, might even make europe.
[19:40] <Upu> needs to stop going in circles in the US
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[19:41] <amell> cheapo went round in tight circles at 17km last night.
[19:41] <myself> If you're gonna go in circles in the US, at least have the decency to flatten some crops while you're at it and make some yokels look stupid on TV
[19:41] <amell> presumably shear layer turbulence.
[19:42] <SA6BSS> b-64 made a small update
[19:44] Action: amell wonders if theres any aprs in the russian artic
[19:45] <Aerospark> hey amell
[19:45] <amell> hey Aerospark
[19:45] <Aerospark> I took your advice and remade the circuit with optoislators & darlingtons
[19:45] <Aerospark> check it out
[19:45] <Aerospark> http://gerblook.org/pcb/NijETMavgn9Q7o2CksmXUa
[19:45] <Aerospark> hopefully it works :p
[19:46] <amell> looking good. lots more options on it.
[19:46] <amell> do you have a pressure sensor on board?
[19:46] <amell> BMP180 or similar?
[19:46] <Aerospark> yeah I put an input for up to 24V which can be split out to 4 GPIO optoislated outputs
[19:46] <Aerospark> just a TMP102 no pressure sensor
[19:47] <amell> for balloons pressure not so important. but could be important for parachute deployment and apogee detection in the rockoon world.
[19:47] <amell> your gps might not update fast enough
[19:47] <Aerospark> hmm
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[19:48] <amell> most rocket altimeters have pressure transducers.
[19:48] <myself> also GPS chipsets have dynamic specs that you might exceed with rapid descent, if the doppler shifts the signal outside the lock range you can lose your fix during the time you need it most
[19:49] <Aerospark> so do you think a BMP180 would keep up on descent?
[19:49] <myself> not sure how often that happens in practice but it's theoretically possible, and it's worth reading your GPS receiver's manual for its acceleration and speed limits, also if it has a static vs dynamic mode or something
[19:49] <mikestir> came across a nice MEMS pressure sensor today that would measure down to 2 Pa
[19:51] <amell> i think some also have XYZ accelerometers.
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[19:51] <amell> understand this is first iteration, just that you might want to consider keeping options open if youre getting a fair few boards done.
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[19:53] <amell> i have my altimeter configured to fire the main chute at 600ft, or equivalent pressure.
[19:53] <Aerospark> Don't have much money to spend, so probably only have one or two shots at getting the PCB right :p
[19:53] <Aerospark> i'd rather have everything good on the first iteration
[19:53] <amell> ok. well you have some feedback
[19:54] <amell> thinking - how do you sense igniter continuity with this arrangement.
[19:57] <amell> 4 outputs - a lot!
[19:57] <Aerospark> myself: I checked the GPS datasheet just now and it says it's rated for up to 4G's and 500m/s
[19:57] <amell> where do your feedback LEDs connect?
[19:58] <myself> Aerospark: I just realized I have no idea how fast a HAB payload falls in the upper atmosphere
[19:58] <Aerospark> amell: they are controllable though, so if I input a 12V battery into the input terminals, it will be split up among all GPIO high outputs.
[19:58] <amell> http://www.eggtimerrocketry.com/ might give you some more ideas.
[19:59] <Aerospark> feedback LEDs?
[19:59] <Aerospark> and thanks for the tips
[19:59] <amell> i have two batteries on mine, high output lipos, deployment channel A has its own battery, separate from deployment channel B
[19:59] <amell> 9V batteries do fine too.
[19:59] <myself> you using lithium or alkaline 9v's?
[20:00] <Aerospark> I was just going to use the same 9V, have it drive the ignition circuit and shut it off. Then reuse it for the deployment circuit later.
[20:00] <amell> alky 9V - they just need to go bang and ignite
[20:00] <Aerospark> lipos
[20:00] <amell> alky do the job
[20:00] <Aerospark> I don't think they are rated for cold
[20:00] <myself> alkalines have such terriffic internal resistance, though, I'm surprised they can ignite anything :P
[20:00] <amell> Aerospark: good point you are igniting at high altitude :)
[20:01] <myself> Lithium will save you weight, and give you tons more current at any temperature
[20:01] <amell> myself: it just needs to get a tiny nichrome wire hot. that fires the pyrogen, then off it goes.
[20:01] <amell> doesnt need to do much
[20:02] <Aerospark> Is there any way to test that gerber files won't have shorts and missing grounds and stuff like that?
[20:02] <myself> they're just a few bucks more, but if you wanna, you could stack a few of those little 40mAh micro-heli lipos
[20:03] <amell> Aerospark: you might want a safety isolation switch. can be a 3.5 inch jack with a label attached pull before launch
[20:03] <amell> this is required for UKRA launches if you have explosives loaded in the igniters
[20:04] <Aerospark> yeah that's probably a good idea
[20:05] <amell> I recall once someones pyros went off, because there was a weather front came into the launch site, and the electronics thought that it had reached deployment altitude.
[20:06] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXZOKI6Uv9A
[20:06] <Aerospark> It's probably easier to do that in the code though. I have it setup to only fire if time > 1 hour, altitude == X, and # of sats > 4
[20:07] <Aerospark> I could have it sound a buzzer too or something for 10 seconds before firing
[20:07] <amell> launch control officer may prefer some mechanical evidence of supression :)
[20:08] <Laurenceb> Aerospark: greetings
[20:08] <amell> its in the code, its fine :)
[20:08] <Laurenceb> what are you talking about? rockoons?
[20:08] <Aerospark> hey Laurenceb
[20:08] <Laurenceb> ignition?
[20:08] <Aerospark> of course we are :p
[20:08] <myself> I giggle every time I hear the word rockoon.
[20:08] <amell> i think of buffoon
[20:08] <Aerospark> yeah safety stuff
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[20:08] <Laurenceb> hmm tricky
[20:08] <Laurenceb> where are you? us?
[20:09] <Aerospark> Canada
[20:09] <Laurenceb> ah
[20:09] <Laurenceb> west or east?
[20:09] <Aerospark> it's pretty chill here regulation wise
[20:09] <Aerospark> Ottawa
[20:09] <amell> youre close to the Cesaroni factory!
[20:10] <Laurenceb> ah
[20:10] <Laurenceb> thats a long way from Nevada
[20:10] <Aerospark> yeah i have a friend who works there
[20:10] <Laurenceb> but black rock desert is worth heading out to
[20:10] <amell> Aerospark: damn, can you get me an O25000 reload on the sly? :)
[20:10] <Aerospark> haha i wish i could
[20:10] <Laurenceb> if you could hit the waivered airspace, its possible to launch there
[20:11] <Aerospark> is black rock regulation free airspace or something?
[20:11] <Laurenceb> yes
[20:11] <Aerospark> :o
[20:12] <Aerospark> I wonder if canada has one of those
[20:12] <amell> Aerospark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvDqoxMUroA
[20:12] <Aerospark> yeah I've seen that
[20:12] <Aerospark> pretty sweet rocket
[20:13] <Aerospark> alright, well time to ship off the PCB then
[20:14] <Aerospark> OSHPark or Hackvana?
[20:14] <Aerospark> or other
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[20:18] <Boelle_DK> are those 2 cheaper than Itead?
[20:18] <Boelle_DK> 9.90$ for 10 boards 5*5cm
[20:18] <myier> 4 GPS on the rocket, nice
[20:18] <amell> or your local PCB shed& might get some free advice there.
[20:21] <myier> even with that they didn't have a lock during the entire flight?
[20:21] <amell> hence the BMP180 :)
[20:21] <Boelle_DK> OSHPark seems a bit more expensive and slow... Itead sends to fab within 24hours... and offers fast shipping with fedex etc...
[20:21] <Boelle_DK> anyways off to play diablo
[20:21] <Aerospark> sweet, thanks
[20:22] <amell> diablo? jesus.
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[20:22] <amell> oh, presumably diablo 3, i didnt know there had been new releases.
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[21:23] <DL7AD> forecast for SP3OSJ: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/131375_trj001.gif
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[21:54] <ibanezmatt13> does anyone know of a way I can read each line that comes into dl-fldigi into a python script instead of having to upload to habhub?
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[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> good question
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[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> I also thought about that once
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> for doing some sort of virtual instrument dashboard
[21:56] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, it's not technically gonna be for a HAB payload so wouldn't be right to have it upload, so need to get the data out and into a file or python itself
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:56] <ibanezmatt13> pretty real time too
[21:57] <lz1dev> ibanezmatt13: get a webserver up, and change the habitat url to point to it
[21:57] <lz1dev> and then parse the requests
[21:57] <mikestir> fldigi has a socket api - I think you can do it through that
[21:57] <ibanezmatt13> the only thing is, I'd be operating this without an internet connection
[21:57] <mikestir> stand by...
[21:57] <lz1dev> you can run the webserver locally
[21:57] <fsphil> port 7322
[21:58] <fsphil> connect to that and you'll get all the text decoded by the modem
[21:58] <mikestir> is that literally it? I thought you had to do xmlrpc calls or something?
[21:58] <ibanezmatt13> ah I see what you mean
[21:58] <fsphil> not to read the modem output
[21:59] <ibanezmatt13> is there a specific way to load up the port 7322 to view it?
[21:59] <mikestir> telnet localhost 7322
[21:59] <lz1dev> ha
[21:59] <lz1dev> $ nc 127.0.0.1 7322
[21:59] <lz1dev> ?^xxk2__F?}{w[/6zVk~_{Z>'^S__b}M^rsO{Vc=}=
[21:59] <lz1dev> works
[21:59] <lz1dev> :)
[21:59] <ibanezmatt13> cool, mikestir I just run that in a shell right?
[21:59] <fsphil> you'd have to do the parsing yourself of course
[22:00] <mikestir> do it in python using the socket module
[22:00] <mikestir> if that's where you ultimately want it
[22:01] <ibanezmatt13> ah right, socket module, interesting. Wondered at first if I could just use the urllib2, but probably not right for this. Will look up the socket module
[22:02] <ibanezmatt13> cheers
[22:04] <mikestir> http://pastie.org/9390408
[22:04] <mikestir> tested works
[22:04] <mikestir> blocks for a newline terminated string, then gives it to you as a normal python string for further processing
[22:04] <ibanezmatt13> ah that's brilliant, thanks Mike
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[22:08] <mikestir> hmmm. might not be able to launch on weds. prediction is a bit too close to manchester airport
[22:09] <ibanezmatt13> don't wanna be getting too close to MAN :/
[22:09] <mikestir> no
[22:09] <ibanezmatt13> my connection is being refused mikestir, on that script
[22:09] <ibanezmatt13> ran it with sudo too, to be sure
[22:10] <mikestir> you won't need sudo, but you might need to enable the server in fldigi
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[22:10] <ibanezmatt13> that could be it... silly me. Just to confirm where you have simply 'localhost,' should it pick up my localhost automatically or should I replace that/
[22:11] <mikestir> you could put in 127.0.0.1 to be on the safe side
[22:11] <mikestir> it should work it out though
[22:11] <ibanezmatt13> good stuff
[22:11] <mikestir> you on windows?
[22:12] <ibanezmatt13> no on ubuntu
[22:12] <mikestir> should be ok then
[22:12] <ibanezmatt13> cool
[22:12] <mikestir> I was going to blame the firewall
[22:12] <ibanezmatt13> yeah
[22:12] <mikestir> I can't see anywhere to enable it. fsphil might know
[22:14] <mikestir> anyway if this flight does go ahead It'll be the world's driftiest ssdv payload
[22:14] <mikestir> it has been thrown together
[22:14] <mikestir> and I'm not using one of my new olivia trackers as a back up, so it's an rfm22b for that as well :)
[22:15] <ibanezmatt13> bah it'll be fine, I'll provide some local tracking if I can :)
[22:16] <ibanezmatt13> just tried to follow the guide to install fldigi on ubuntu, "sudo apt-get build-dep fldigi" and "build dependencies could not be satisfied"
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[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> hi chrisstubbs
[22:16] <chrisstubbs> Evening
[22:16] <mikestir> ibanezmatt13: why not just install the dl-fldigi package?
[22:16] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, easier I guess (getting used to linux...)
[22:16] <chrisstubbs> just a flying visit
[22:17] <chrisstubbs> that could almost be a pun
[22:17] <ibanezmatt13> yo Chris
[22:18] <chrisstubbs> whats new ibanezmatt13?
[22:18] <ibanezmatt13> not much, foundation D day tomorrow evening :)
[22:18] <mikestir> good luck :)
[22:18] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[22:18] <ibanezmatt13> I'll be able to get you on ye olde Billinge Hill mikestir :P
[22:19] <mikestir> yeah easily. should be able to work you through MN (stockport) if they ever fix it
[22:19] <chrisstubbs> Hah cool, decided on a callsign yet?
[22:19] <ibanezmatt13> sounds good mikestir. If M6NRB is taken, I'll be jiffed right off :P
[22:20] <ibanezmatt13> now then, sudo apt-get install dlfldigi, lets see what that yields
[22:20] <ibanezmatt13> nah
[22:21] <mikestir> it's not in the main repo - you have to add this one: https://launchpad.net/~simrunbasuita/+archive/ubuntu/dl-fldigi
[22:21] <fsphil> we're not popular enough to be in the main repos :)
[22:21] <mikestir> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:simrunbasuita/dl-fldigi
[22:21] <ibanezmatt13> lol, adding repos? This is getting linuxy
[22:21] <mikestir> then sudo apt-get update
[22:21] <mikestir> then sudo apt-get install dl-fldigi
[22:22] <ibanezmatt13> ah I've had to do that before, gotcha
[22:22] <ibanezmatt13> nope
[22:23] <ibanezmatt13> result after doing an update: http://pbrd.co/1sgiBrd
[22:24] <mikestir> distro is too new
[22:25] <mikestir> it's only done up to raring ringpiece or whatever it was called
[22:25] <ibanezmatt13> so I should remove that repo I just made and try to install from the zip?
[22:26] <mikestir> you'll need to build it from source, or use a less bleeding edge distro
[22:26] <ibanezmatt13> source it is
[22:27] <ibanezmatt13> so I can probably use git by the looks of it to get it down, then the standard build, make commands in the right order could do it
[22:27] <mikestir> is there a stable archive rather than using git?
[22:28] <mikestir> or are you just trying to get your hands as dirty as possible? :)
[22:28] <myier> ibanezmatt13: ses http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi:build-ubuntu#building_stable_version_on_ubuntu_1404
[22:28] <ibanezmatt13> lol, I'm just trying to install dl on here in the simplest way :)
[22:28] <myier> sorry, see not ses
[22:29] <ibanezmatt13> ah yes, 14.04 well spotted myier
[22:29] <myier> I used it yesterday to make an Arch Linux package and it worked
[22:29] Nick change: heathkid|2 -> heathkid
[22:29] Action: mikestir is still on some ancient build of mint
[22:29] <myier> it's quite new to me too ;)
[22:29] <malclocke> as fldigi is in Debian, `apt-get build-dep fldigi` should install everything you need to compile fldigi, which is hopefully pretty similar to what you need for dl-fldigi
[22:30] <myier> indeed
[22:30] <myier> except the lib xmlrpc thing
[22:33] <ibanez}att1;> you now need to edit the file src/Makefile.am, can't even see it...
[22:33] <ibanezmatt13> got a Makefile.am file, but in main directory for dl-fldigi, not sure what the src is
[22:33] <myier> you should have a src sub-directory
[22:33] <myier> dl-fldigi/src/Makefile.am
[22:34] <ibanezmatt13> ah yes, of course (again, getting used to linux) :)
[22:34] <DL7AD> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GETEJv31ek0
[22:34] <myier> after building it you'll be an expert ;)
[22:35] <myier> awesome DL7AD
[22:36] <myier> I think I read that nowadays, one on 1250 skydivers are killed while skydiving
[22:37] <myier> s/are/is/
[22:38] <mikestir> ibanezmatt13: is it the foundation where the question about VE/VK often comes up, or is that at intermediate?
[22:38] <ibanezmatt13> don't think that's foundation
[22:38] <ibanezmatt13> very dissapointingly, got right up the the make stage, typed make, complete failure
[22:39] <ibanezmatt13> how hard can it be to install some software... :P
[22:40] <mikestir> paste the error
[22:40] <myier> maybe you simply don't have the compilation environment
[22:40] <mikestir> configure would have failed then though
[22:40] <myier> indeed
[22:41] <ibanezmatt13> http://pastie.org/9390506
[22:41] <ibanezmatt13> not gone all the way back, just a bit
[22:41] <ibanezmatt13> looks like configure did mikestir
[22:41] <ibanezmatt13> there was a failure on the last bit, just before I tried make
[22:41] <myier> hehe :) you don't have the compilation environment :)
[22:41] <ibanezmatt13> yay :)
[22:41] <myier> not everything, at least
[22:42] <mikestir> try apt-get install pkg-config fltk-dev
[22:42] <myier> you need to install libfltk1.3-dev
[22:42] <myier> yes probably that's better
[22:42] <mikestir> sorry, libfltk-dev
[22:42] <myier> I don't really know
[22:42] <ibanezmatt13> okie doke
[22:43] <mikestir> libfltk-dev should be an alias to the latest version, so myier's suggestion will also work
[22:43] <ibanezmatt13> has no installation candidate
[22:43] <ibanezmatt13> oh, my bad
[22:43] <ibanezmatt13> nope, doesn't like it
[22:44] <ibanezmatt13> the 1.3 has worked
[22:45] <ibanezmatt13> so now I have this, I can revert to the autoreconf and configure
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[22:45] <mikestir> ok, I'm going by what I can see on this box, which is based on quantal
[22:45] <mikestir> you should be able to go back to configure
[22:45] <myier> I don't know if the version you have is 1.3 or 1.1 for fldigi, so it may not work, can you check mikestir?
[22:45] <mikestir> I have both installed
[22:46] <mikestir> ahh - I only have the dev package for 1.1, and I have built fldigi from source
[22:46] <mikestir> so install libfltk1.1-dev
[22:46] <myier> haha
[22:46] <ibanezmatt13> libcurl needed, failed without it
[22:46] <ibanezmatt13> I'll apt-get install it
[22:46] <mikestir> libcurl-dev
[22:46] <ibanezmatt13> yep
[22:47] <myier> you need all the -dev versions of the libraries in order to compile against them
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[22:47] <ibanezmatt13> hmm, that doesn't work
[22:47] <ibanezmatt13> no installation candidate again
[22:47] <mikestir> libcurl4-dev?
[22:48] <ibanezmatt13> mikestir, http://pbrd.co/1sgoVio
[22:48] <myier> ibanezmatt13: you can use the command apt-cache search libcurl in order to find the dev name
[22:48] <ibanezmatt13> it recomends 3 options
[22:48] <mikestir> well I have the openssl one installed
[22:49] <ibanezmatt13> well, why not
[22:49] <ibanezmatt13> cool, back to config
[22:50] <mikestir> going around this loop a few times is quite common for a large program like fldigi
[22:50] <ibanezmatt13> yeah
[22:50] <ibanezmatt13> lol, I need package called samplerate
[22:50] <myier> mikestir: maybe he could try to automatically build fldigi?
[22:50] <mikestir> but of course eventually you have all the common libs installed on your machine, so it becomes less of an issue
[22:50] <myier> to install dependencies-dev
[22:51] <myier> I don't know how to do that in debian
[22:51] <mikestir> that was suggested earlier I think?
[22:51] <myier> I think so
[22:51] <myier> that rings a bell
[22:51] <ibanezmatt13> did I try that?
[22:52] <mikestir> you might as well just do this - I don't recall it having that many dependencies
[22:52] <mikestir> probably portaudio and pulseaudio, libsamplrate, maybe fftw
[22:52] <mikestir> and fltk you've done
[22:52] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, can't find the right samplerate one
[22:53] <ibanezmatt13> got an apt-cache search of them, but all of them don't have the word sample rate in them :P
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[22:53] <mikestir> libsamplerate0-dev
[22:53] <ibanezmatt13> cool
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[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> good night
[22:54] <ibanezmatt13> night ll
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[22:54] <ibanezmatt13> configure: error: in `/home/norb/dl-fldigi':
[22:54] <ibanezmatt13> configure: error: could not find jpeglib.h
[22:54] <ibanezmatt13> See `config.log' for more details
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[22:55] <mikestir> libjpeg-dev
[22:55] <ibanezmatt13> these dependencies are great fun
[22:55] Action: mikestir remembers the olden days before apt and yum
[22:56] <ibanezmatt13> that must have been even more fun
[22:56] <myier> wow there was a day when that didn't exist?
[22:56] <myier> yum I know, but apt!
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[22:56] <mikestir> not sure if debian always had package management. redhat didn't
[22:56] <ibanezmatt13> yes it's making it! :D
[22:56] <mikestir> you just hda to use rpm and install every package and dependency individually in the right order
[22:57] <mikestir> s/hda/had.
[22:58] <myier> I remember that for rpms
[22:58] <mikestir> I once had a redhat 5 box get owned over dialup
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[22:59] <myier> the dependencies were quite annoying
[22:59] <myier> haha
[23:01] <mikestir> right. must go to bed. gn
[23:01] <ibanezmatt13> me too, thanks mikestir
[23:01] <ibanezmatt13> nn
[23:01] <myier> good night
[23:01] <ibanezmatt13> night myier
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[23:02] <myier> he didn't let the compilation fever take him throughout the night, good
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