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[00:04] <esculca> hi everybody
[00:05] <esculca> here esculca from Portugal
[00:05] <esculca> would like someone to aprove my payload
[00:05] <esculca> its name is balloonolo-3
[00:05] <esculca> schedule to be launched on July 26th
[00:05] <esculca> here in Portugal
[00:08] <amell> #habhub is probably where you need to be at
[00:08] <esculca> I know!
[00:08] <esculca> :)
[00:08] <esculca> I want to get online often, here on this channel
[00:09] <amell> try again tomorrow, its sleepy time
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[00:09] <esculca> but I don't get much time left to work on this hab stuff
[00:09] <esculca> that's ok
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[00:09] <esculca> it's late in here too
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[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
[00:11] <esculca> you guys are all in the UK
[00:11] <esculca> ?
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[00:11] <esculca> nobady from around here (Portugal)
[00:11] <esculca> ?
[00:11] <esculca> willing to help tracking?
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[00:17] <esculca> ok guys
[00:17] <esculca> I will hit the sack now
[00:17] <esculca> will join tomorrow to see if someone can aprove my payload
[00:17] <esculca> see ya
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[05:10] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> 5pm BST now has the best prediction for today.
[05:10] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> Perhaps followed by another flight at sunrise tomorrow
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[07:09] <SA6BSS> And B-64 is up
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[07:26] <SA6BSS> nice to see SP3OSJ update
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[07:32] <jededu> I am decoding B-64 but not showing on the receivers list
[07:33] <jededu> Odd
[07:36] <MightyMik> lists APRS
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[07:44] <Adam012> Good morning from the Beat Felix Team
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[07:46] <jededu> what time are HDFLD launching
[07:46] <Adam012> Is anyone available to help approve a flight doc on habhub?
[07:46] <Adam012> We're planning to launch at 10am (HAB time)
[07:47] <Upu> I approved it last night Adam012
[07:47] <Adam012> Thanks Upu!
[07:47] <Adam012> Right, we're all good to go!
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[07:54] <amell> I see B64 slipped out quietly during the night
[07:54] <amell> oh and B-65&.
[07:54] <amell> what frequencies Leobodnar?
[07:55] <MightyMik> b-64 on 434500
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[07:55] <amell> so what is b-65?
[07:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> B-64 / B-65 where ?
[07:56] <amell> up now
[07:56] <amell> only just taken off mind
[07:57] <amell> Leo slips a saturday morning twofer out
[07:57] <Reb-SM0ULC> dual launch? :)
[07:57] <amell> apparently so
[07:57] <amell> B-65 seems to be APRS though.
[07:58] <junderwood_M0JCU> both are APRS
[07:58] <junderwood_M0JCU> I'm guessing both have COntestia as well
[07:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Nothing on the map and only B-64 on habitat
[08:00] <amell> hmm, i have b-65
[08:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> What on SNUS ?
[08:01] <amell> yes
[08:01] <amell> think theres something wrong as both are showing as aprs.
[08:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Nothing here just SP3OSJ and B-63 and its been refrshed a couple of times
[08:02] <amell> B-64
[08:02] <amell> Time: 2014-07-12 08:02:02
[08:02] <amell> Position: 52.0554,-0.9655
[08:02] <amell> Altitude: 3729 m Rate: 1.1 m/s
[08:02] <amell> Max. Altitude: 3729 m
[08:02] <amell> Temperature: 26C
[08:02] <amell> Battery: 4.19 V
[08:02] <amell> Date: 140712
[08:02] <amell> Satellites: 8
[08:02] <amell> Solar Panel: 0.53
[08:02] <amell> Receivers: APRS
[08:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> How weird have you done a refresh ?
[08:02] <jededu> I have B-65 & B-64
[08:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah they appear on mobile tracker but not the straight SNUS
[08:04] <jededu> The receivers appear after every transmit for about 5 secs
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[08:06] <junderwood_M0JCU> OK. B64 is on 434.500, B65 is on 434.5015
[08:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> You can get them both at once if you tune carefully
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[08:11] <G0HDI> Decodig B64 Contestia 64/1000 on 434.554 SDR Sharp and Funcube Dongle
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[08:14] <Herman-PB0AHX> gm all
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[08:14] <Reb-SM0ULC> oh, superman to launch
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[08:19] <Neil_M0CJM> Morning all
[08:19] <joeman1> mmm
[08:21] <Herman-PB0AHX> LeoBodnar: both ballons on same freq ??
[08:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> about 1.5Khz apart
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[08:22] <LeoBodnar> B-65 is 1.5kHz higher
[08:22] <LeoBodnar> duh Geoff-G8DHE lol
[08:22] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok good job now playing here
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[08:23] <Herman-PB0AHX> i wil test today a new antenne
[08:25] <Adam012> Right, Hadfield is being assembled. Balloon is ready to fill. Filling soon...
[08:27] <Neil_M0CJM> Is there a video stream Adam
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[08:31] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: Goeiemorgen. What anetnna will you be using?
[08:31] <PE2G> *antenna
[08:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: the xquad 7 elements
[08:33] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: Cool. Do you have a pic?
[08:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: that is a vertical -horizontal - and circulair
[08:34] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes on my site is a picture
[08:34] <Herman-PB0AHX> moment i send it
[08:34] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: OK
[08:34] <Herman-PB0AHX> first writing funcube now
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[08:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: here u can find on the bothem of the page
[08:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> http://pb0ahx.nl/sateliet.html
[08:41] <jededu> Adam012 the prediction seems to put it over the runway at BHM
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[08:43] <jededu> And follow the approach path
[08:44] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: HABUPDATE: 10 flights! Leo has put up B-64 and B-65 track http://t.co/fvMDP0JgoN
[08:44] <tweetBot> #ukhas #hamr #hab
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[08:47] <jededu> http://i.imgur.com/zxts84m.jpg
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[08:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes green lines from B64
[08:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> mogge martijn
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[08:49] <mikestir> I have so much ISM QRM this morning it's not funny. it's like everyone is standing on their drives unlocking their cars repeatedly
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[08:52] <G4MYS_Andy> M0JCU is right witgh patience you can decode B64 & B65 on the same rx without retuning, just carefully adjust the VFO, or switch between VFOs a after every Ack
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[08:57] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: u found the pictures
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[09:02] <G0HDI> Can anyone tell me frequency for B-65 please. Contestia presumably
[09:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.504.919 for me ;-)
[09:02] <jededu> I have 434.500.2
[09:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> B-64 is 434.503.437
[09:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> +/- dongle offsets ;-)
[09:03] <G0HDI> Thanks Geoff.
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[09:06] <jededu> Adam012 What time are you thinking of launching
[09:07] <Adam012> We have launched, there is just a small ascent rate
[09:08] <G4MYS_Andy> wish I had a 3rd computer!
[09:09] <jededu> Adam012 what size is it
[09:10] <G0HDI> My Dongle is way out. I've found B65 on 434.555. Tuned around 'till I found it. Worry about calibrating Dongle later hi. Having too much fun now.
[09:11] <daveake> batc video stream up here now http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=5&id=1194
[09:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh nice perspective ;-)
[09:11] <G8KNN> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=5&id=1194
[09:12] <G8KNN> ooops
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[09:15] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: both B-64 and B-65 should have been on the same freqency :P
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[09:16] <Herman-PB0AHX> morning Maxell no 1.5 khz different
[09:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> 'Morning Guys
[09:17] <Herman-PB0AHX> morning steve
[09:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> B-64 battering my windws in here - Stonking signal.
[09:18] <pd3t> Mogguj
[09:18] <Herman-PB0AHX> mogge terry
[09:18] <pd3t> B65 is on 555 ?
[09:19] <Herman-PB0AHX> no 501.5
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[09:20] <mikestir> hadfield appears to be up
[09:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Might float at this climb rate!
[09:21] <pd3t> can't hear 65 yet.
[09:22] <Herman-PB0AHX> is weakly here also but comming up
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[09:24] <pd3t> Mogguh bertrik
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[09:24] <bertrik> mogge pd3t
[09:24] <Laurenceb__> hmm why did Leo launch 2 balloons...
[09:24] <Laurenceb__> worried about some record or something... :-D
[09:24] <pd3t> To make it a challange for the trackers to decode both ;)
[09:25] <mikestir> I have something with a much narrower shift than advertised on 434.350
[09:25] <bertrik> oh, I should be tracking right now
[09:25] <mikestir> wandering about
[09:25] <mikestir> looks like rtty with an idle gap every few seconds
[09:25] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: dial for B-64?
[09:25] <pd3t> 501
[09:25] <Herman-PB0AHX> 499.8 bij me Maxell
[09:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Maxell: I have 434.500.36 for 1500 center
[09:26] <Maxell> 434.500 and dl-lfidig audio on?
[09:26] <Maxell> ok
[09:26] <Herman-PB0AHX> dldigi audio on 1300
[09:27] <Laurenceb__> this turbohab thing sounds cool
[09:27] <Adam012> Our scale is not accurate. The weight was out by 200g!
[09:27] <Laurenceb__> turbo code?
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[09:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> See Matt's reply
[09:27] <mikestir> Adam012: your shift appears to be 330 rather than the advertised 690?
[09:28] <Maxell> ok Herman-PB0AHX
[09:28] <Maxell> nothing here yet
[09:28] <Adam012> I had to swap a resistor last night due to the shift being >1000
[09:28] <mikestir> ahh ok
[09:29] <mikestir> green there anyway - not bad copy
[09:29] <Adam012> I was rushed and on reflection 47k ohm may have been overkill
[09:29] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: oops those carrires where mine
[09:29] <mikestir> 330 is a reasonably shift for 50 baud anyway
[09:29] <mikestir> reasonable*
[09:30] <mikestir> the long idle between bursts does upset the AFC though
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[09:30] <Adam012> Thanks. We're kicking ourselves about the ascent. Probable float at 34km
[09:31] <Adam012> Right, I'm signing off while we pack up. Off we head for Wales.
[09:31] <Maxell> floating at 34kms?!
[09:31] <Adam012> Why, what altitude do you think it will float at?
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[09:32] <Maxell> Isn't that very high?
[09:32] <Maxell> Normal pico float about 8 to 10 kms
[09:32] <mikestir> it's a 1600g though I think
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[09:32] <Maxell> Oh that would work better yes
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[09:33] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: Sorry, was out for groceries. Tnx for the pic. Looks very good!
[09:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> withs name is in dl-fldigi for HDFLD ??
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[09:34] <pd3t> HDFLD
[09:34] <pd3t> refresh flight docs
[09:34] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok
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[09:34] <berry> what mode in 434.500 on, autoconfig is 64/1000 contestia but it seems wrong?
[09:35] <Maxell> berry: no that is correct
[09:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> berry: You have to set the mode manually
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[09:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> Go into Op Mode and select Contstia 600/1000
[09:35] <berry> oh, on fldig it does not look wide enough? signal i am getting is three times wider
[09:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> 64/1000
[09:35] <pd3t> Grr i need more dongles
[09:36] <berry> ah thanks steve i will try tgat
[09:36] <Maxell> Contestia 600/1000?
[09:36] <OZ1LRG> can anyone tell me why the mobile tracker suddenly is almost unusable in the last few days?
[09:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Turn RSID on as well that will select the coreect mode
[09:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> *correct
[09:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Both trackers have rather a lot of points to plot with the the three long flights
[09:37] <Herman-PB0AHX> terry u can picup here 2
[09:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> Sorry, 64/1000 - I was being called away from PC :-)
[09:37] <berry> thanks all
[09:38] <pd3t> put em in my box Herman-PB0AHX :)
[09:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> hahahaha
[09:38] <daveake> filling now
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[09:38] <pd3t> just tell me when to bring a trailer...
[09:39] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: pd3t: can one of you guys TX for a sec on 434.500 MHz usb?
[09:39] <Maxell> Not sure what is going on here...
[09:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> both B's Tx now
[09:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: u hrd someting
[09:41] <OZ1LRG> there is a long lag when trying to do anything, and anything other than Chrome crashes. the cpu usage has gone through the roof. i also see javascript timeout.
[09:41] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: yes went well
[09:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok
[09:41] <Maxell> just balloon out fo reach yet :(
[09:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup OSJ and B-63 have 100,thousand of points to plot
[09:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> ow here he is 57 nice signaal
[09:42] <Maxell> hmmm
[09:42] <Maxell> need to get that antenna higher up >:)
[09:42] <Herman-PB0AHX> b64 is 57 and b65 is 55
[09:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Perhaps the other way round ?
[09:44] <Maxell> OZ1LRG: you might be able to use http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?vehicles=B-64
[09:44] <Maxell> or http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/ for all balloons
[09:44] <mfa298> OZ1LRG: It may be due to the number of data points in the flights - try the links Maxell just posted as it seems to work better with lots of data.
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[09:45] <G4MYS_Andy> I am on 434.501.4 and decoding both B65 & B64 with the same rx The Yaesu FT847, with two computers on the same audio feed
[09:45] <OZ1LRG> ok, will try that, thanks!
[09:46] <mfa298> G4MYS_Andy: you should be able to run two copies of dl-fldigi on the same machine with the same audio feed as well.
[09:47] <OZ1LRG> that actually works, amazing difference!
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[09:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Both w/f at the same time http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-65_20140712/Capture.JPG
[09:48] <fsphil> leoplexing
[09:49] <G4MYS_Andy> mfa 298 um yes Ive done that by accident before, not sure if I can decode two at a time that way?! on this occasion Ive only got one aerial up so ill invetigate that trick another day but many thanks for pointing it out!
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[09:51] <Neil_M0CJM> Looks Like B64 & 65 burting over top of me almost
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[09:52] <G4MYS_Andy> Neil dont hold your breath could be floaters!
[09:52] <Toomo> is B-64 and 65 using contestia 16 / 1000
[09:52] <G4MYS_Andy> yes Toomo
[09:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> 64/1000
[09:53] <G4MYS_Andy> no 64/1000 is correct answer!!!
[09:53] <mfa298> annoying that they are transmitting at the same time as otherwise rsis would mean one radio and one dl-fldigi could do both B- flights
[09:53] <fsphil> hehe
[09:53] <fsphil> yes
[09:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> But if you switch RSID on it will AFC and select the correct mode
[09:53] <Toomo> Im using a new setup and cannot decode
[09:53] <G4MYS_Andy> whatare you missing toomo?
[09:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Show us a complete screen shot
[09:54] <G4MYS_Andy> is rx on usb and mode on screen on RTTYR?
[09:54] <mfa298> Geoff-G8DHE: except where B-64 seems to be starting halfway through B-65's transmission it would probably end up switching when you don't want them to - It looks like you can just get them both in the same audio pass band (although B-65 is just a bit too weak for me at the moment)
[09:55] <G4MYS_Andy> yes mine is in the same audio passband !
[09:55] <Toomo> Cheers 64 / 1000 it is thanks
[09:55] <G4MYS_Andy> using the one FT847, !
[09:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes true if you've only one radio but DL-fldigi will at least adjust its centre for you
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[09:56] <G4MYS_Andy> I am surprsed DLFLIGI can decode two differnt stations more or less on the same freq but it does and does it well!
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[09:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> SUPER is UP
[09:58] <G4MYS_Andy> morning
[09:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> and SUPER is up
[09:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> snap
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[09:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-)
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[09:59] <fsphil> some super images being sent already
[10:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Groan
[10:00] <Laurenceb__> has gillwell24 launched yet?
[10:00] Action: Steve_G0TDJ slaps forehead
[10:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not seen them yet
[10:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Geoff-G8DHE: http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[10:00] <Laurenceb__> be interesting to see the turnohab performance
[10:00] <Laurenceb__> *turbo
[10:00] <Laurenceb__> not involving turnips
[10:00] <mfa298> the gilwell flights might be later
[10:00] <mfa298> 06:10 < craag_Phil_M0DNY> 5pm BST now has the best prediction for today.
[10:00] <mfa298> 06:10 < craag_Phil_M0DNY> Perhaps followed by another flight at sunrise tomorrow
[10:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah that will help thin the crowd
[10:01] <G4MYS_Andy> mfa 298 your right it can run two copies at the same time! currently running second decoder as BRS 38937
[10:02] <pd3t> Herman-PB0AHX: decoding B64 and B65
[10:03] <LeoBodnar> i think you can disable RSID searching the whole 3kHz+ spectrum
[10:03] <LeoBodnar> then it will only search within current modem passband (red lines)
[10:05] <G4MYS_Andy> So Ive learnt a bit more today with many thnaks lads!... and due to B64 I now know where London is on the map!!
[10:05] <LeoBodnar> Configure - >IDs deselect "Detector searches the whole passband"
[10:06] <LeoBodnar> yep, it worked for me, second dl-fldigi copy ignores RSID outside contestia b/w/
[10:06] <pd3t> yep i run two of them here to decode both
[10:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> UAD up
[10:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> That option should be a single use, then set it to start wide,once aligned, it only searches within
[10:09] <pd3t> Steve that's SSDV ?.
[10:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> No, SUPER is the SSDV one
[10:09] <Herman-PB0AHX> i am moment qrx writing funcube now
[10:10] <pd3t> Unable to decode FC atm so i stay here ;)
[10:10] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> g'day all
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[10:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Phil
[10:11] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> Finally got internet here...
[10:11] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> Hi Steve_G0TDJ
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[10:11] <mfa298> I've just turned rxid off for now as they seem to be stable enough and it's a nice easy and obvious change - Just have to remember to turn the frequency tracking bits back on later
[10:13] <G4MYS_Andy> whats the signal thats poped up between B65 & B65 on 434.501?
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[10:14] <PE2G> B-64 first greens at 489 km, -0.7 deg: http://s29.postimg.org/ejoqsh6zb/Screen_12_07_14_12_12_20.png
[10:15] <bertrik> nice
[10:16] <Reb-SM0ULC> PE2G: :)
[10:17] <Reb-SM0ULC> LeoBodnar: output power on b64, 10 mW?
[10:17] <Reb-SM0ULC> PE2G: antenna?
[10:17] <LeoBodnar> yes 10mW
[10:18] <PE2G> Reb-SM0ULC: Carant 7 elem. yagi, 38 m AGL
[10:18] <G4MYS_Andy> what ever it is between B64 & B65 it s not good at sending ID just pips
[10:18] <daveake> I was going to say "that was a super launch" but I see that fsphil got there already :p
[10:19] <LeoBodnar> is this an alternative Balloon Fiesta?
[10:19] <daveake> Yeah, just fewer balloons
[10:19] <daveake> s/fewer/many many more/
[10:20] <Maxell> Strongest/latest RXID wins to balance it out even http://i.sigio.nl/b064770c65a2201597745fbd6fa5794f.png
[10:20] <Herman-PB0AHX> i am back
[10:21] <PE2G> Reb-SM0ULC: www.thiecom.de/aby7lb-70cm-band-richtantenne.html
[10:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> 1st image packet
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[10:23] <astrobiologist> morning all
[10:23] <Upu> this is fscking stupid ! http://i.imgur.com/tPLOiba.jpg
[10:23] <Upu> morning
[10:23] <LeoBodnar> hahaha
[10:24] <Upu> just taken me 10 mins to get that lot set up
[10:24] <Upu> I'm not doing APRS any more leo sorry run out of antennas
[10:25] <Upu> Domino is way better than RTTY
[10:25] <Upu> Never actually heard Contestia (going via 817 now)
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[10:25] <daveake> lol Upu
[10:25] <Upu> my office sounds like I'm playing C-64 Paradroid again
[10:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> what freq for UAR ?
[10:25] <Upu> 434 something :/
[10:25] <daveake> .48 or .475
[10:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah might have guessed ;-)
[10:25] <daveake> see snus :)
[10:25] <daveake> or mailing list
[10:26] <Herman-PB0AHX> nice pitures from superman in space fun
[10:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> I did but I can only see SUPER and UAD nothing from UAR
[10:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> on the w/f
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[10:27] <Reb-SM0ULC> PE2G: so free LOS ?
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[10:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah got it
[10:28] <Reb-SM0ULC> PE2G: wtf, 8 euro antenna??
[10:29] <mattbrejza> anyone got a screenshot of the websdr? (cba to install java)
[10:30] <PE2G> Reb-SM0ULC: Yes, plus postage :)
[10:30] <mfa298> waaah what's happening to the world. I see a launch announcment from Leo and it was only shortly after launch!
[10:31] <Reb-SM0ULC> mfa298: probably not true then
[10:31] <on4bhm> B64 and b65 are interfering with each other
[10:33] <mfa298> on4bhm: you may need to turn off RSID or change it's settings so it doesn't look at the whole pass band
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[10:34] <G8KNN> hmmm, UAD won't decode anymore even though signal is nice and strong
[10:34] <PE2G> What's the center freq difference between B-64 and B-65? Unable to distinguish B-65
[10:35] <PE2G> Sorry, got it just now
[10:35] <Upu> G8KNN it was a test I think the cold has messed with the tone spacing
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[10:36] <G8KNN> ah, OK thanks
[10:39] <Reb-SM0ULC> PE2G: nice price
[10:41] <Paul_M0PFX> anyone know whats happening about the gilwill balloon, it isn't showing up on the tracker is it delayed?
[10:41] <Upu> Think UAD died
[10:42] <mattbrejza> gilwills launch window is 0900 sat to 0900 sun
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[10:42] <Ron_G8FJG> B64,B65 APRS from both..UAR.UAD ..run out of antennas rx's and monitors, only Superman saved the day ..going for a lie down
[10:44] <Herman-PB0AHX> superman have a nice view
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[10:45] <Herman-PB0AHX> is autoconfig ok for superman ??
[10:46] <Herman-PB0AHX> $$SUPER: 434.450MHz, 300 baud RTTY, 880Hz shift, USB, 8, N, 2, SSDV
[10:47] <Neil_M0CJM> decoding ssdv packets here. anyonew got the link where images uploaded to
[10:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> Neil_M0CJM: http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[10:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
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[10:56] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> Current plan for gilwell is launch @ 3pm, 5.5 m/s ascent, 12km
[10:56] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> burst, landing west of basildon.
[10:56] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> bbiab, lunch.
[10:56] <joeman1> 12 km burst up?
[10:56] <joeman1> only 12km altitude?
[10:56] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> yes
[10:57] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> 100g hwoyee with a lot of weight and overfilled.
[10:57] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> Else it'll get wet :P
[10:57] <joeman1> ok
[10:57] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[10:57] <joeman1> :)
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[10:58] <myier> hello, anybody knows why qthid would fail to set frequency ?
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[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> myier, Do you mean RSID
[11:00] <myier> Geoff-G8DHE: I don't know what RSID is
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> what is qthid then ?
[11:00] <myier> it's the control application for the FCDP+ for linux-based systems
[11:00] <Herman-PB0AHX> i hrd Superman very well but not yet writing green
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[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah don't know that one!
[11:01] <mfa298> myier: you may need to make sure you have the right version for your dongle (I think the software for the original FCD is different to the FCD Pro +)
[11:01] <daveake> superman going round a roundabout lol
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[11:01] <mfa298> but apart from that I don't know. I thought SDR software had the frequency control built in
[11:02] <myier> mfa298: I thought I had, I have latest version of both
[11:02] <myier> mfa298: fldigi doesn't if I understand right?
[11:02] <myier> and I didn't find a way to connect gqrx to fldigi
[11:03] <mfa298> you can't feed the data from the FCD directly into dl-fldigi. you'll need something in the middle to convert the raw IQ data into audio
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[11:04] <myier> mfa298: I don't know why it works, but fldigi (not dl-fldigi, that may be the reason (dl-fldigi doesn't compile on my system)) lists the FCDP+ in the list of audio sources
[11:04] <mfa298> you'll need to get the audio from something like gqrx into dl-fldigi. The easiest and safest route is probably a cable from line out to line in (pulse audio on linux has caused a lot of people issues with bad decodes)
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[11:04] <myier> and it works well since I decoded my hab with that
[11:05] <myier> I think it's quite a shame to use an DAC + ACD to transport data from a process to another!
[11:05] <mfa298> interesting. I didn't think fldigi had support for the raw IQ data (which is what you get directly from the FCD)
[11:06] <mfa298> the FCD appears as a 192KHz audio device but that's just the raw IQ samples not demodulated audio
[11:06] <myier> let me see if I can find something that explain that
[11:06] <mikestir> fldigi probably demodulates one or the other of the I and Q channels, which is basically double sideband
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[11:07] <mikestir> so it will work if you tune below, but it will be 6dB down on snr
[11:07] <mfa298> On windows people use things like virtual audio cable. In theory you can so the same thing with pulse audio but it's caused a lot of people a lot of issues as it does some odd things with sampling rates which breaks decoding (I think the latest pulse audio may have fixed it but that may not be in distributions yet)
[11:08] <mikestir> what's superman up to with the funny noises?
[11:08] <myier> ok so that's not good to do what I do with fldigi
[11:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> looked like a reset
[11:08] <mikestir> myier: it should be fine with a good signal, but it's not going to work well when the signal gets weak or if you have qrm
[11:09] <myier> because indeed the FCDP+ is listes as a PortAudio device, regular sound device
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[11:09] <myier> mikestir: yes I've tested it only 2 metres away
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[11:10] <myier> what about UDP transport, I've seen that gqrx and gnuradio in general can stream the IQ data to the network, isn't it possible to grab that with (dl-)fldigi?
[11:10] <mikestir> fldigi doesn't do any kind of demod - it can't handle IQ samples except in the suboptimal way you've already tried
[11:11] <myier> yes right sorry, so what about streaming the sound data?
[11:11] <mfa298> I think some people have modified dl-fldigi to take audio input via a fifo
[11:11] <myier> or using a unix pipe or something
[11:11] <myier> yeah that'd be great
[11:11] <mfa298> but I'm not sure if that code is available anywhere or how well it worked
[11:12] <myier> I'll look it up
[11:12] <mikestir> you can do it with pulseaudio but there's a bug in the version in a lot of distros that messes up the sample rate
[11:12] <Herman-PB0AHX> yesssssss first green from super
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[11:12] <mikestir> if you use a very new distro it might be ok
[11:12] <myier> ok I'll try it too
[11:13] <mfa298> as I mentioned before the easiest and safest method is probably an audio cable between line out and line in. Tried tested and you can get it working in minutes!
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[11:13] <mfa298> (where most of that time is rummaging in a box for a suitable cable)
[11:13] <myier> On my laptop I just have a microphone input, which is quite bad
[11:14] <mikestir> that pulsing on the superman signal sounds like the linux "heartbeat" led trigger
[11:15] <seventeen> You need to add "default-sample-rate = 48000" to /etc/pulse/daemon.conf to correct the samplerate... works for me.
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[11:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> I thinght we'd lost SUPER for a min
[11:21] <daveake> If it went to carrier, that's some SD card shenanigans
[11:22] <F1VJQ> Is UAD working?
[11:23] <daveake> Sadly no
[11:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> daveake: Briefly, about 30secs worth
[11:23] <daveake> Yeah I saw it
[11:24] <daveake> I need to decouple the Tx and the card reading
[11:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> Was it saving images?
[11:24] <daveake> Yes
[11:25] <daveake> Which of course shold not take 30 seconds
[11:25] <daveake> Howver suspect SD card issue
[11:25] <G0HDI> I'm monitoring B-64 but keep seeing what looks like picture packets on waterfall ner enough same frequency. Which hab does that belong to?
[11:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
[11:26] <daveake> Current ssdv image looking like it will be a good one
[11:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> Great horizon
[11:26] <G0HDI> When I configure for Super by the way DL-Fldigi keeps freezing
[11:27] <daveake> Never seen that myself
[11:27] <G0HDI> Where are you guys getting pictures from. Super??
[11:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[11:28] <G0HDI> Oh, I assumed direct from the balloon
[11:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> G0HDI: SUPER is sending 300bd RTTY containing image and telemetry data
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[11:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> daveake: Carrier
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[11:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> THat was quicker that time
[11:29] <daveake> Yep
[11:30] <PE2G> UAR first green at 625 km, -0.1 deg: http://s27.postimg.org/rv8ceeo7n/Screen_12_07_14_13_27_38.png
[11:30] <G0HDI> ok I try again, I get weak wavy sig there anyway
[11:30] <myier> nice pictures :)
[11:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> G0HDI: It tends to be very picky and needs a good signal to decode effectively
[11:31] <G0HDI> Ok, thanks Steve
[11:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: wow nice distance
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[11:33] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: Yeah, now greens from SUPER
[11:33] <Upu> UAD is back
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[11:35] <daveake> nice
[11:36] <F1VJQ> Upu dial freq UAD pse? AOS soon if it doesn't pop!
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[11:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> M0RPI Chase Stream up
[11:38] <Reb-SM0ULC> url?
[11:39] <chrisstubbs> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=5&id=1189
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[11:39] <Maxell> bertrik: Decoded image packet. Callsign: SUPER, Image ID: 0A, Resolution: 640x480, Packet ID: 75 :)
[11:40] <bertrik> nice
[11:40] <Upu> its not decoding F1VJQ
[11:40] <Upu> oh it is
[11:41] <Reb-SM0ULC> chrisstubbs: thanks
[11:41] <mattbrejza> oh b65 is downwards
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[11:42] <F1VJQ> Upu I hear it... just got sigs
[11:43] <Upu> just burst
[11:43] <F1VJQ> yes... just lost sigs....
[11:43] <F1VJQ> dammit!!
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[11:45] <Maxell> bertrik: ±482 km
[11:47] <tweetBot> @AKA2112: Plenty of 434 MHz balloons over the UK today, see http://t.co/05XwKFKjET #hamradio #hamr #ukhas #gilwell24 http://t.co/pXSmqDxDs4
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[11:53] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: Live images from 434 MHz UK High Altitude Balloons http://t.co/q6xmQYVeSl #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas #gilwell24 http://t.co/Meyz44wj9B
[11:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> I really hope Image 11 makes it
[11:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> UAD has stopped again
[11:58] <Upu> yeah
[11:58] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> If it's ok, I'm going to start uploading ssdv
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[12:07] <F1VJQ> I hope someone catches a packet from UAD If it wakes up again. If only to clear its blue ring.t
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[12:08] <amell> im getting confused with all these balloons
[12:08] <amell> who is HL1?
[12:08] <amell> apparently its right over my head
[12:09] <jededu> I think the HADFEILD crew need to give BHX a call
[12:09] <tweetBot> @nerdsville: Tracking and receiving Super SSDV images from @daveake balloon. #hab #ukhas http://t.co/qAzoZ5tMPd
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[12:09] <myier> OK, it seems to be working better with gqrx and pulseaudio, but requires more computing power to have both gqrx and fldigi obviously.
[12:10] <Boelle_DK> nice Pic
[12:10] <jededu> HDFLD stopped
[12:10] <Boelle_DK> would have been better without the superman :-P
[12:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> HDFLD gone completely
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[12:11] <amell> damn HL1 is loud
[12:11] <amell> I should be able to see it...
[12:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Confirmed HDFLD no Tx
[12:12] <myier> To cope with frequency shifts in time, should the tool that transforms IQ samples into sound (here gqrx) be set to a large filter and only manage shifts in fldigi? Or is it still required to change frequency sometimes in the first tool?
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[12:13] <mfa298> myier: depends on how much the frequency drifts.
[12:13] <g0hww> what is the freq for HL1. please?
[12:13] <Maxell> HDFLD gone?
[12:13] <mfa298> if it's a small drift (+/- 1KHz) then dl-fldigi can handle the drift
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[12:13] <Maxell> Steve_G0TDJ: double configmed
[12:14] <Ron_G8FJG> red kryptonite for me................. just got his knees in!
[12:14] <myier> ok, thank you all, it rocks
[12:15] <myier> I hope someday a balloon will pass over my window so that I can test it in real conditions, I'm near Nice in France
[12:15] <Maxell> Last green line here $$HDFLD,678,12:09:33,524315223,-11027101,16022,8,3,6*A75A
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[12:16] <PE2G> g0hww: I think 434.250 or 434.300. No rx here yet.
[12:16] <LA3QMA> 434.3 USB ?
[12:17] <PE2G> Yes
[12:17] <LA3QMA> ok tnx.listening now. probably a bit late
[12:17] <amell> g0hww: 434.250
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[12:18] <amell> g0hww: the other payload is on 434.300
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[12:19] <g0hww> amell, thanks, got it
[12:19] <g0hww> on 434.250
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[12:20] <LA3QMA> if i got the e-mail earlier i could use a different qth with LOS to Shetland :-)
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[12:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> myier, Keep your eyes on the B-xx flights most likely to come your way!
[12:23] <Neil_M0CJM> which one on 434.300?
[12:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> HL1
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[12:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sry wrong window XABEN0
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[12:24] <myier> by the way, is there some kind of way to have the spacenear.us tracking not that slow? Is there some kind of light version somewhere?
[12:25] <tweetBot> @JeroenAlexander: @R4UAB M0XER-3 / B-63 http://t.co/mWQhnAPPL3 http://t.co/oNjtBwZN0o 434.5 MHz, USB, vertical, Contestia 64/1000 #hab #ukhas #hamradio #hamr
[12:25] <Neil_M0CJM> cool decoding xaben0 well
[12:26] <Maxell> wow tweetBot was fast
[12:26] <Maxell> took like a second or so?
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[12:27] <mfa298> myier: you can either add filters if you only want to see certain balloons
[12:27] <mfa298> alternativly try http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/
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[12:28] <myier> oh yeah that's much much better
[12:28] <myier> thank you mfa298 again
[12:28] <mfa298> e.g. if you wanted to only see B-64 on both maps you can use http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=B-64 and http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?vehicles=B-64
[12:28] <myier> great
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[12:31] <Maxell> R4UAB
[12:31] <Maxell> should be able to get some telemetry in
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[12:33] <F1VJQ> myier you missed B-63 a few days ago, it flew over the coast near Perpignan
[12:34] <myier> yes I've seen that, but I'm just getting operational
[12:34] <myier> I hope I'll be able to track future flights
[12:35] <myier> that region of europe is quite poor in receivers if the map is right
[12:36] <Maxell> HL1/XABEN0 very stable in burst
[12:36] <tweetBot> @thecraag: Gilwell ssdv is decoding. Time to start filling. #ukhas http://t.co/EkyMej23eV
[12:36] <G0LFP-Steve> Nothing from Hadfield in the last 30 minutes. :(
[12:36] <Maxell> myier: loc?
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[12:37] <Maxell> not burst it seems
[12:38] <F1VJQ> myier the receivers only stay on map for about 24 hours after last time FLdigi was used
[12:38] <myier> Maxell: Nice, France
[12:38] <myier> F1VJQ: oh ok
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[12:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> XABEN0 Shift down to 670Hz
[12:42] <Maxell> myier: ok yes well welcome to HAB tracking :)
[12:42] <Martin-G4FUI> What freq is HL1, please?
[12:42] <Maxell> You are going to like it :)
[12:42] <myier> thank you :)
[12:42] <Maxell> Martin-G4FUI: 434.252 MHz
[12:42] <Martin-G4FUI> Ta! Maxell
[12:42] <Maxell> For audio on 1550 ish
[12:42] <Maxell> ok
[12:43] <Maxell> afk
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[12:43] <F1VJQ> myier I don't see you on the map. Have you done Configure/operator AND Configure/DLclient/location ?
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[12:44] <myier> F1VJQ: I'm now using fldigi and compiling dl-fldigi, hopefully it will work and I'll appear in the afternoon
[12:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> F1VJQ: It's not RAIDEN off in the channel is it :-)
[12:44] <mfa298> myier: which distro do you use ?
[12:44] <PE2G> HL1 at 442 km -0.4 deg
[12:44] <amell> has b65 burst?
[12:44] <myier> Arch Linux
[12:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> G6GZH similarly in water (South)
[12:44] <amell> looks like its near the M25. will some one recover and expose Leobodnars secrets
[12:45] <on4bhm> that would be great
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[12:45] <F1VJQ> myier make sure to use HAB version
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[12:46] <myier> yes
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[12:48] <mfa298> myier: you're probably on your own then, there are instructions and/or packages for ubuntu and fedora
[12:48] <myier> yes yes
[12:49] <mfa298> you may find the notes for Ubuntu 14.04 help if you're getting errors during the make process
[12:49] <myier> I'm making a package for future users
[12:49] <myier> all right
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[12:52] <myier> on the habmap, why are there some objects with a balloon and some with a parachute symbol? Are the parachutes some foils?
[12:52] <mfa298> the parachute indicates the balloon is decending.
[12:52] <myier> oh yes obviously, sorry
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[12:53] <mfa298> although for floating balloons (ones that stay at the same altitude) they might change between balloon and parachute icons
[12:53] <myier> ok
[12:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> Looks like daveake is fairly close to SUPER
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[12:54] <Maxell> myier: awesome thanks for making a fellow dl-fldigi users's life easier :)
[12:54] <myier> I hope I'll be able to ;)
[12:54] <Maxell> \o/ free software \o/
[12:54] <myier> yay
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[12:59] <Maxell> R.I.P. HDFLD
[13:00] <myier> :(
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[13:01] <Maxell> HL1 at 17043 meters nor :)
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[13:07] <F1VJQ_away> myier You can find your exact lat/long and locaotor by clicking on this map> http://www.beaconspot.eu/locator.php?locator=jn33pq
[13:07] <F1VJQ_away> Steve_G0TDJ I didn't understand RAIDEN - I'm watching Le Tour and coming back to computer in the ad breaks
[13:08] <Maxell> myier: I like this one more http://m.philcrump.co.uk/
[13:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> No problem F1VJQ_away I thought RAIDEN may be who you were speaking to. Graphic in in the English Channel.
[13:09] <myier> Maxell: doesn't seems to be working with opera
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[13:11] <myier> when you use pulseaudio to stream audio from gqrx to fldigi, is there a way to not listen to it but being able to listen to another audio stream on the computer (like a music player)?
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[13:12] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: PA3BWE also rxing now but not yet on the map
[13:13] <Maxell> myier: for dl-fldigi you are using the "monitor" feature?
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[13:14] <Maxell> yeah that might not be possible...
[13:14] <Maxell> I have a dedicated soundcard for the rig here
[13:14] <myier> Maxell: yes in pavucontrol, recording tab, I use the monitor thing
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[13:15] <Maxell> if you let dl-fldigi use the monitor you could turn down the speakers to 1% montior feature keeps running gqrx audio very low
[13:15] <Maxell> however other audio will also be picked up by the monitor feature
[13:15] <myier> maybe it'd be better using jack instead of pulseaudio
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[13:15] <myier> indeed
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[13:15] <myier> I didn't think about that
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[13:16] <Reb-SM0ULC> oh, B65 baought it, missed that
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[13:23] <myier> is there a dl-fldigi developer here?
[13:24] <mfa298> there's a few people that have done bits of work on it.
[13:24] <mfa298> best bet is to ask the question and if someone can answer they will
[13:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Didn't the development pause because the RTTY mode in the latest fldigi was borked in some way ?
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[13:27] <mfa298> the rtty decoder in the later fldigi versions did seem to go backwards
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[13:28] <myier> well, I fails to build on my system, but I don't understand why. So if anybody wants to take a look at my error log, I can wait before submitting the bug to the github issue thing
[13:29] <mfa298> stick the errors on something like pastebin / pastie and put a link in the channel
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[13:29] <mfa298> I can have a look at some others may do as well
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[13:29] <myier> yes
[13:29] <mfa298> s/at/and
[13:30] <myier> before that, you mentioned a ubuntu 14.04 help before, I wasn't able to find anything about that, do you have a link?
[13:30] <myier> maybe I'm not doing the right thing to build it
[13:30] <mfa298> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi:build-ubuntu#building_stable_version_on_ubuntu_1404
[13:30] <myier> oh ok on ukhas
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[13:31] <mfa298> the bit a few people have had issues with is the TESTS= bit in the makefile
[13:31] <mfa298> that problem was also seen on fedora
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[13:31] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> gilwell waiting for gps lock
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[13:32] <mfa298> you may want to checkout the stable version as well rather than using the bleeding edge as there did seem to be some rtty decoding errors
[13:32] <myier> ok
[13:33] <myier> I was trying with HEAD
[13:33] <mfa298> craag_Phil_M0DNY: shouldn't need a gps for there. There must be plenty of people that can tell you where you are by looking at a couple of sticks there :p
[13:33] <Upu> Super man recovered
[13:33] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> lol mfa298
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[13:35] <astrobiologist2> so what have I missed? are Craag's flights up ok?
[13:35] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> astrobiologist2: Waiting on gps lock currently
[13:36] <astrobiologist2> good luck!
[13:36] <ibanezmatt13> have fun :)
[13:36] <tweetBot> @thecraag: Filled, waiting for JOEY-lock #ukhas #funwithoutafilltube http://t.co/gt6fmCTK4h
[13:38] <mattbrejza> craag_Phil_M0DNY: is the last time it got lock with me?
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[13:39] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> got a lock
[13:39] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> not on map :/
[13:39] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> ah not 3d til just now
[13:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> craag_Phil_M0DNY: I've been waiting for your appearance
[13:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> On the map I mean
[13:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> craag_Phil_M0DNY: YOu
[13:41] <mattbrejza> craag_Phil_M0DNY: are you using turbohab in the car?
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[13:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> craag_Phil_M0DNY: GILWALL24 on the map
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[13:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> Sorry, GILWELL24 even
[13:42] <mfa298> I can't see JOEY in the logtail
[13:42] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> mattbrejza: yes I will
[13:42] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> mfa298: It's a JOEY, reprogrammed
[13:42] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> for GILWELL24
[13:43] <mattbrejza> cool, should work well when chasing (i hope)
[13:43] <mfa298> ah ok, I was assuming that one was still called JOEY
[13:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> craag_Phil_M0DNY: What's your chase name Phil?
[13:43] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: Gilwell Park Scout Camp 434 MHz SSDV Balloon launch http://t.co/NU1Jijgudf #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas #gilwell24 http://t.co/Meyz44wj9B
[13:43] <mfa298> lots of errors from HL1 which makes logtail fun
[13:44] <chrisstubbs> craag_Phil_M0DNY, Im all set up ready to go
[13:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Chris :-)
[13:44] <chrisstubbs> Afternoon Steve
[13:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> I've been waiting for GILWELL too
[13:44] <mattbrejza> craag_Phil_M0DNY: is polly staying on the ground this time?
[13:46] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> Steve_G0TDJ: chase callsign on the map
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[13:46] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> mattbrejza: yes, taping joey to the neck, it's tethered to the ssdv too
[13:46] <mattbrejza> *polly ;)
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[13:47] <mattbrejza> oh
[13:47] <mattbrejza> misread
[13:47] <mattbrejza> derp
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[13:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers Phil, I'd filtered
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[13:48] <mattbrejza> a reminder that half of the telemetry on this one will need this program to decode: http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mfb2g09/decoder/decoder.jar
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> what sort of bandwidth does the TurboHAB code need ?
[13:50] <mattbrejza> well today its sent over 300 baud FSK
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[13:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> right so probably 1KHz will be adequate to start with
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[13:51] <mattbrejza> oh you mean on the sdr reciever program?
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[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> running the Java gives me a short bit of w/f but no moment is that expected ?
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[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes thats what I emeant
[13:51] <mattbrejza> no moment?
[13:52] <mattbrejza> if you have a scrolling waterwall thats good
[13:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> movment its just appears locked despite decodong rubbish when in RTTY mode
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[13:52] <mattbrejza> oh, yea it automatiicaly looks for a rtty signal
[13:52] <Herman-PB0AHX> wat is freq van HL1
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> This is what I get but no mevment in the w/f since startig http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/2014_Flights/Capture.JPG
[13:53] <mattbrejza> should probably get round to manual fldigi style controls if wanted
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> *movment
[13:53] <mattbrejza> oh weird
[13:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> Geoff-G8DHE: I just have a grey panel
[13:53] <mattbrejza> what happens if you restart it?
[13:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Wait a second
[13:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ah ha! I had the worng audio input set
[13:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah on the third attempt its rolling!
[13:55] <mattbrejza> i blame any audio related issues on java :P
[13:55] <Maxell> burst for XABEN0 en HL1
[13:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is it just local dedecode or does it send it to Habitat as well ?
[13:55] <Laurenceb__> mattbrejza: you have turbocodes running?
[13:55] <mattbrejza> yea
[13:55] <mattbrejza> Geoff-G8DHE: it uploads too
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[13:55] <Laurenceb__> nice work
[13:55] <mattbrejza> see ASTRA and ASTRA_J on HL1
[13:55] <Laurenceb__> be interesting to see how it performs
[13:56] <Laurenceb__> what is it transmitting?
[13:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK I'll take dl-fldigi out from the system then!
[13:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> mattbrejza: Is that what the Java app is called? Turbocodes?
[13:56] <mattbrejza> its just sending gps coordates at the moment
[13:56] <Laurenceb__> ah ok
[13:56] <mattbrejza> but at 300 baud, with a 50 baud rtty to compare against
[13:56] <Laurenceb__> i see
[13:57] <Laurenceb__> so the _b version is the turbocode?
[13:57] <mattbrejza> the java app doesnt really have a name, 'turbo codes' are the class of error correection code
[13:57] <mattbrejza> yep
[13:57] <mattbrejza> _b being binary
[13:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> What do I need to set in the JAVA app?
[13:57] <mattbrejza> because habitat doesnt support the binary yet
[13:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> 300bd BIN AFSK
[13:57] <mattbrejza> 300bd BIN FSK
[13:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers
[13:57] <mattbrejza> its not FM today
[13:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah thats the problem it doesn't like taking the audio from VAC its only happy with primary sound capture :-(
[13:57] <mattbrejza> also your callsign, then press update
[13:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK I@ve taken DLFldigi offline but it's useful to display the W/F
[13:58] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> mattbrejza: java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: -1302
[13:58] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> :P
[13:58] <mattbrejza> you can have both running at once
[13:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> I did it before with the AFSK
[13:59] <mattbrejza> craag_Phil_M0DNY: there is a known bug in it
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[13:59] <mattbrejza> but unknown where it is :P
[13:59] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> known unknown
[13:59] <Maxell> 300bd BIN FSK set @ RevSpace
[13:59] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> or unknown known?
[13:59] <mattbrejza> it can run for hours, or 10 min
[13:59] <tweetBot> @daveake: @pitsproject payload recovered. Lots of great images from the #raspberrypi and some great video from a new video camera. #UKHAS
[13:59] <mattbrejza> craag_Phil_M0DNY: dont suppose it says what line it crashed at?
[14:00] <Adam012> Hi, Hadfield Chase Team checking in. We're just outside Lemington Spa (on the predicted flight path) but we've got nothing. Anyone heard anything?
[14:00] <mattbrejza> this decoder was written very quickly, expect 'features'
[14:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nothing on 434.351 in West Sussex
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[14:01] <Laurenceb__> mattbrejza: are you using soft decision stuff?
[14:01] <mattbrejza> yep
[14:01] <myier> what's the name of simple antenna like those found on wi-fi access points?
[14:01] <Laurenceb__> cool
[14:01] <mattbrejza> not sure whether it would work without llrs
[14:01] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> mattbrejza: It loses my callsign/lat/lon :|
[14:01] <Adam012> We had 434.348.40MHz last
[14:01] <Laurenceb__> does it assume incoherent signals?
[14:01] <chrisstubbs> Adam012, the signal just disappeared from the waterfall
[14:01] <chrisstubbs> a few people confirmed
[14:01] <mattbrejza> craag_Phil_M0DNY: sorry... :P
[14:01] <Maxell> Adam012: $$HDFLD,678,12:09:33,524315223,-11027101,16022,8,3,6*A75A last packet
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[14:01] <Maxell> did not tried another one after that
[14:01] <Laurenceb__> i.e. unknown phase change at each bit edge
[14:01] <Maxell> Carrier gone too
[14:01] <chrisstubbs> at about 13:09
[14:02] <chrisstubbs> according top the scrollback
[14:02] <chrisstubbs> *to
[14:02] <Maxell> myier: those would be folded dipoles
[14:02] <mattbrejza> well the demodulator is noncoherent yra
[14:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Last I saw it was 12.09 on the above but don't worry about the freq its a dongle so maybe a little out
[14:02] <Laurenceb__> interesting
[14:02] <Adam012> We had the same thing. Frozen tracker? It was just a hollow polystyrene ball of about 1.5cm thickness and 20cm diameter.
[14:02] <Maxell> myier: or as sticker in laptops they would be "patch antennas"
[14:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Adam012, $$HDFLD,678,12:09:33,524315223,-11027101,16022,8,3,6*A75A
[14:02] <Laurenceb__> mattbrejza: how are you tracking the carrier? Just compare power in upper and lower bins?
[14:03] <mattbrejza> the AFC?
[14:03] <Laurenceb__> and do you try to do a correlation based sync to the header?
[14:03] <Laurenceb__> yeah AFC
[14:03] <mattbrejza> yea it uses the FFT and moves towards the strongest nearest bit
[14:03] <mattbrejza> if that makes sense
[14:03] <Laurenceb__> i see
[14:03] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[14:03] <mattbrejza> yea it has a sync sequence that it looks for
[14:03] <Laurenceb__> groovy
[14:04] <Laurenceb__> sounds very well done :D
[14:04] <mattbrejza> thats after the bit sync though
[14:04] <mattbrejza> ive been meaning to do correlation from before the but sync
[14:04] <Boelle_DK> mattbrejza: wokring on new decoder?
[14:04] <Ron_G8FJG> getting partials from B65..help anyone? $$B-65,1#QP)^F_EHNF<"EHNF<"9=0<R5?,140712,51.27216,0...0.07194,121,6,26,4K23,0.51*47A3
[14:04] <Adam012> We've just got a weird pulse on 434.349.50, going to keep hunting the frequencies.
[14:04] <mattbrejza> the channel and source decoder is new
[14:05] <Adam012> We've got morse-ish?
[14:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is it only a single tracker no backup ?
[14:05] <mattbrejza> the demodulator is 1.5yrs old
[14:05] <Boelle_DK> mattbrejza: what platform will this work on when its ok for release?
[14:05] <Boelle_DK> no chance on the pi i guess
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[14:06] <mattbrejza> it might work on the pi if you disable the fft/waterwall
[14:06] <Boelle_DK> :-D
[14:07] <Adam012> @Geoff-G8DHE yup, just a single tracker for lowest possible weight (<150g)
[14:07] <myier> Maxell: that doesn't looks like what I'm talking about: http://27796531.r.professionalcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/LC433-RA-SMA-300x300.jpg but actually founding the image gave me the name: rubber stub antenna
[14:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right keep our fingers crossed then!
[14:07] <mfa298> Boelle_DK: it doesn't work in it's current state (unless mattbrejza has managed to add significant improvements in effieciency)
[14:08] <myier> or rubber ducky
[14:08] <mfa298> buit as mattbrejza said if you disable the fft it might work
[14:08] <mattbrejza> significant improvements in efficiency = write in c
[14:08] <mattbrejza> and i have not
[14:08] <mattbrejza> in particular i have no reason to
[14:08] <mattbrejza> it works on my android stuff, so thats me sorted
[14:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> myier, they are just a helica wound 1/4 wave on a rubber former
[14:08] <myier> ok thansk
[14:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Some times the rubber is loaded witha ferrite mix but normally only when you working at lower freq's
[14:10] <Boelle_DK> mfa298: yep i know, not keeping my hopes to high
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[14:12] <mfa298> Boelle_DK: I think the overall answer here is if you want something to run on a Pi you'll need to write it specifically for the Pi. Most generic HAB decoding software is designed for faster phones / tablets so uses the resources available
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[14:14] Action: mfa298 is about to infest the tracking pc with Java :(
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[14:19] <Ron_G8FJG> Paul not sure how to reply ?
[14:21] <Paul_M0PFX> Hi Ron, just by clicking on my name on the right and clicking Query
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[14:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> HL1 gone for me and XABEN0 fading rapidly behind the hills
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[14:23] <Boelle_DK> and i'm spooked ....
[14:24] <Boelle_DK> just got the habamp connected to the SDR dongle and just for the fun of it i tried to open dl-fldigi....
[14:24] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> its up
[14:24] <Boelle_DK> selected sp3 on the list and let it have its fun
[14:24] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> Only tracking on ssdv here
[14:24] <Boelle_DK> suddenly the gren bar over sql started to rise
[14:24] <Boelle_DK> and i only have a lenght of wire connected
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[14:25] <mattbrejza> need a pic of polly watching the balloon fly away :P
[14:26] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> mattbrejza: Too late sorry :(
[14:27] <Adam012> Well, we're thinking of calling it a day. We've been searching 434.348.00 to 434.351.50 without luck.
[14:27] <mattbrejza> she calls shotgun
[14:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> Adam012: Has the payload got ID on it?
[14:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Adam012, Hopefully someone will see the notice and call ...
[14:28] <Adam012> We've got no identifying info on it so we're fairly stuck there.
[14:28] <Adam012> Best we could do is get the word out on the BBC.
[14:29] <Adam012> Pics and last location, etc
[14:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hope its successful Adam012
[14:30] <Adam012> Thanks but we're going to have one more search and call it a day.
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> GIWELL24 on the w/f
[14:30] <chrisstubbs> got a dial Geoff-G8DHE?
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434292
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> 202
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.202MHz
[14:30] <myier> ok I confirm I have dl-fldigi working on Arch Linux, and here is the package: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/dl-fldigi-git/
[14:30] <myier> feel free to link it to the relevant dl-fldigi website
[14:31] <myier> but Arch Linux user will find it anyway
[14:31] <myier> and you see me on the map now
[14:31] <Adam012> What life expectancy does a latex 1600g balloon have at ~20km?
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[14:32] <Boelle_DK> Adam and others... i'm a noob... you cant find HDFLD?
[14:32] <tweetBot> @daveake: Superman over the Severn #raspberrypi #UKHAS http://t.co/pXpQkYU3su
[14:32] <Boelle_DK> but i can see it on the spacenearus site
[14:32] <Laurenceb__> when does Gillwell launch?
[14:32] <Boelle_DK> and several are tracking it
[14:32] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> Erm gilwell has launched
[14:32] <Adam012> @Boelle_DK Hadfield's tracker went dead suddenly at 16km
[14:32] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> tracker is not happy
[14:32] <mfa298> Laurenceb__: I believe it has - possibly just not being recieved yet
[14:33] <Laurenceb__> ah
[14:33] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> Right, off to predicted landing site
[14:33] <Adam012> No transmission since then. Last transmission showing on spacenear.us
[14:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/GILWELL24_20140712/
[14:33] <Boelle_DK> Adam012: doooh
[14:33] <Boelle_DK> sorry
[14:33] <Adam012> We're below where it should be but nothing but noise on the radio
[14:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> chrisstubbs: I have 434.199.25
[14:34] <chrisstubbs> ah yes got it on the SDR
[14:34] <Boelle_DK> but then spacenar should at least not show that there are listners on it.... but what do i know
[14:35] <mikestir> it shows the last packet Boelle_DK
[14:35] <mikestir> those are the listeners that received it
[14:35] <Boelle_DK> regardless how long since that is?
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[14:35] <mikestir> until cleared manually
[14:35] <Boelle_DK> oki
[14:35] <mfa298> Boelle_DK: spacenear.us shows the last known information from just before it disappeared. that info only changes when there's an update
[14:36] <meow_> looks like HB1 landed in the middle of a busy street..
[14:36] <chrisstubbs> mattbrejza, http://i.imgur.com/mjXPd1z.jpg
[14:36] <chrisstubbs> is it working? :P
[14:36] <mikestir> is SP3OSJ going for the record for most ridiculous flight path?
[14:36] <mattbrejza> the tracker is having issues
[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> No sign of the GW24-b tracker is it lower power ?
[14:37] <Boelle_DK> yep, and now the dummie here noted the time stamp.... free laughs on me
[14:37] <mattbrejza> it should just look like normal 300baud rtty
[14:37] <chrisstubbs> humm
[14:37] <chrisstubbs> will it switch to normal rtty? its been doing this for a while
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[14:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> It is on 434.613+/- not the .125 isn't it ?
[14:38] <mattbrejza> the radio isnt putting out full power
[14:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> How come SNUS hasn't updated? with mew telemetry?
[14:39] <Laurenceb__> mattbrejza: what went wrong?
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[14:39] <mattbrejza> dunno, im not at the launch site
[14:39] <mattbrejza> either antenna or battery related
[14:39] <Laurenceb__> oh
[14:39] <Laurenceb__> lol
[14:39] <Laurenceb__> i see
[14:40] <Laurenceb__> is it using the same radio for both modes?
[14:40] <mattbrejza> yea
[14:40] <Laurenceb__> ah
[14:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is there any telemetry on the SSDV Tx or just images then ?
[14:41] <Laurenceb__> ooh
[14:41] <Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/mjXPd1z.jpg
[14:41] <Laurenceb__> is that with the fec ?
[14:41] <myier> I'm currently receiving telemetry from my emitter, but it's not in the same string format as yours, still, the callsign is decoded by dl-fldigi and has been sent a few times with empty location to hbt. Will I break anything?
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[14:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> myier, No not likely to, but is best when early testing to work in off-line mode.
[14:44] <mattbrejza> na, thats xaben before hand
[14:44] <mattbrejza> ( Laurenceb__ )
[14:44] <myier> yes
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[14:46] <mfa298> myier: it's also prefered not to upload test data to spacenear.us during a live flight (of which there have been a few today)
[14:47] <myier> yes ok
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[14:49] <tweetBot> @karhukoti: "@daveake: Superman over the Severn #raspberrypi #UKHAS http://t.co/5LmDJmftDB" he is looking good!
[14:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> This flight should test Phil's DFing skills ;-)
[14:51] <mfa298> at least he should have some images to help
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[14:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> There is that, now watch it land face down :-)
[14:52] <daveake> How have the flights gone today? I've been otherwise occupied :p
[14:52] <mattbrejza> however much i would like it to, i doubt itll land in a bush facing a 'welcome to ______ ' sign
[14:52] <chrisstubbs> okay I was trying to decode the SSDV with the java app :P
[14:52] <daveake> lol
[14:52] <daveake> ^ mattbrejza
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[14:53] <mattbrejza> oh was that signal the 600 baud signal chrisstubbs ?
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[14:53] <chrisstubbs> yes sorry
[14:53] <chrisstubbs> I didnt know both were flying at the same time
[14:53] <mattbrejza> can you hear the 50/300 one on 613?
[14:53] <chrisstubbs> let me try and find the other
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[14:54] <chrisstubbs> Nothing heard on 613
[14:54] <myier> anybody can give me hints about how to modify the decoder for dl-fldigi? I want to display other information than GPS in the interface, like temperature, how can I do that? Which code file is it in?
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[14:56] <DL7AD> ha... fail :D http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2014-07-12--14-13-20-G24HAB-E2A.jpeg?u=56
[14:56] <chrisstubbs> lmao
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[14:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK I'm decoding SSDV now but can someone please tell me why SNUS isn't updating?
[14:57] <esculca> hi everyone,
[14:58] <esculca> need someone to aprove my payload
[14:58] <esculca> on habhub
[14:58] <DL7AD> esculca: i think #habhub is the right channel for that
[14:58] <esculca> payload name is balloonolo-3
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[14:58] <adamgreig> need the document ID please esculca
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[14:58] <esculca> scheduled to be lauched on July 26th
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[14:59] <adamgreig> esculca: I think it may have already been approved, have you checked in dl-fldigi?
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[14:59] <esculca> not yet Adam
[15:00] <esculca> Will do that now
[15:00] <astrobiologist> So who is RAIDEN? Seems to be a station in the north sea?
[15:00] <esculca> thanks
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[15:02] <mfa298> mikestir: you just send the fields you want from your payload, you will then need a payload document on habitat.habhub.org that tells the map and dl-fldigi what the various fields are
[15:02] <mikestir> ?
[15:02] <astrobiologist> catch you guys later
[15:03] <F1VJQ_away> Yippee - Got B-64 partials from outside blue circle
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[15:03] <myier> oh ok
[15:03] <myier> mikestir: that was for me I believe
[15:04] <mfa298> mikestir: sorry that was aimed at myier
[15:04] <mikestir> ah yes, the old one letter tab :)
[15:04] <myier> so you just can't modify the decoding if you're not in online mode or havent registered a flight?
[15:04] <G4MYS_Andy> Any more going up today?
[15:05] <myier> how can I display the trajectory prediction in the map? I had it before but I've reloaded and I can't find it anymore
[15:05] <myier> in both maps
[15:05] <mfa298> myier: the predictions should appear automaticallly but there's a lot of data to load with all the flights on the screen
[15:06] <F1VJQ_away> First green 449.2km at -0.4 elev on B-64
[15:06] <myier> I have filtered to B-64
[15:06] <myier> but OK
[15:07] <mfa298> they should appear you may just need to wait a bit (or possibly reload)
[15:07] <mfa298> although the predictions for B-64 won't be that useful ( the predictions assume an up, burst, down flight not a floating flight)
[15:08] <myier> ok, good to know
[15:08] <myier> how can I know its frequency?
[15:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Read the mailing list unless its in the description of the flight doc
[15:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> craag_Phil_M0DNY: Is there an alternative map to track GILWELL24 on?
[15:09] <myier> that would be handy to have it in the map directly
[15:09] <mfa298> B-* balloons are always 434.500 +/- a couple of khz
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> trouble is late changes and drift
[15:09] <myier> what are B-* balloons anyway?
[15:10] <myier> I mean why are there so many and who sends them
[15:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/
[15:10] <myier> oh him ok
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[15:12] <karhukoti> hi, just reading about the balloons today. what are people using to listen to the ballons -- that funcube dongle or ?
[15:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Those and any other SSB receiver that covers 70cms
[15:12] <chrisstubbs> HAM radios or RTL dongles included
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[15:13] <karhukoti> on the spacenear.us/tracker page, I see SP3OSJ and B-64, but also some others listed. are the first 2 the only ones flying today?
[15:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> No there have been about 8 flights so far today all on the map
[15:13] <chrisstubbs> you might need to refresh the page, its a bit buggy
[15:14] <karhukoti> oh, that many! alright.
[15:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Today is a a bit busier than normal ;-)
[15:14] <karhukoti> I am in finland and see that the SP3OSJ did come over Finland for a while.
[15:14] <DL7AD> theres also another flight b62 which is currently out of range. so it has been taken from the map
[15:15] <karhukoti> does this happen every weekend?
[15:15] <DL7AD> no
[15:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> G24HAB burst ?
[15:15] <chrisstubbs> SSDV just died on gilwell
[15:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> look at the partial image looks like it burst ...
[15:15] <chrisstubbs> its trying to come back
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[15:15] <chrisstubbs> Could be low battery
[15:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> there is a string visible
[15:16] <karhukoti> how are the locations sent back to this website? where are you seeing the pictures on the web?
[15:16] <karhukoti> thanks in advance for answering my questions.
[15:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[15:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Are where the pictures are loaded in real-time
[15:17] <chrisstubbs> It tries to come back, throws a wobbly and dies again: http://i.imgur.com/mg1p948.png
[15:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Details to Rx are here http://ukhas.org.uk/general:beginners_guide_to_high_altitude_ballooning
[15:18] <chrisstubbs> Gets shorter each time, must be battery or a very bad connection
[15:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Carrier looks the same strength as previous
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[15:20] <karhukoti> thanks for the links. one last question: what is best way to find out about the next launches?
[15:20] <karhukoti> oh, btw, this is AD7D now /OH.
[15:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Join the mailing list https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
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[15:22] <karhukoti> well, one more question: do you know if anyone ever does launches from Finland?
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[15:23] <chrisstubbs> carrier sounds like its about to go now
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[15:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> There are a lot of active HABbers over in Finalnd I think the first HAB was flown from there
[15:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> not sure if there is a Finnish group specific for HAB as most are radio amateurs
[15:23] <Maxell> Any ETA for GILWELL24 TurboHAB?
[15:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not looking good gor the GILWELL's at the moment
[15:25] <chrisstubbs> no its making some very funky sounds
[15:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> carrier is actually getting stronger with me but spreading due to the "modulation"
[15:25] <karhukoti> wikipedia says the first one was from Finland in 1967 !
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[15:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Gone
[15:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> back
[15:27] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE: is it already airborne?
[15:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Gone .... now .....
[15:27] <Maxell> uh oh
[15:27] <mattbrejza> can you actually hear anything on .613?
[15:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> It died
[15:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nothing on 6.13 or thereabouts at all
[15:27] <mattbrejza> hmm
[15:27] <Maxell> My 434.613 is empty too in The Netherlands
[15:27] <Maxell> fyi :P
[15:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not been a sign of abything all afternoon on .613
[15:28] <Paul_M0PFX> poor balloon :(
[15:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is carag in contact ?
[15:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> craag that is
[15:28] <chrisstubbs> Cragg was expecting 30 mins to burst
[15:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think it burst in this image http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2014-07-12--15-14-38-G24HAB-E44.jpeg?u=6
[15:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> you can see string and somehing in the top left that shouldn't be!
[15:30] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> ello
[15:30] <chrisstubbs> Hi craag_Phil_M0DNY
[15:30] <chrisstubbs> Sad times :(
[15:30] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> do we have any idea where it might be?
[15:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> No tracking Rx at all
[15:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Some water visible in this image maybe from launch site http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2014-07-12--15-13-08-G24HAB-E43.jpeg?u=19
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[15:33] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> did it go out of range for people, or switch off?
[15:33] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> please post last image fragment number you got
[15:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like the Leevalley road A110 just top left of centre in the image ?
[15:33] <chrisstubbs> craag_Phil_M0DNY, http://i.imgur.com/mg1p948.png
[15:34] <chrisstubbs> It went to single carrier
[15:34] <chrisstubbs> then did this for a bit
[15:34] <chrisstubbs> I have an audio recording too
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[15:34] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> :O
[15:34] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> that dont look good
[15:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> It tried to reboot, then repeated by look of it until it suddenly started drifting off and then shut down
[15:35] <chrisstubbs> chris-stubbs.co.uk/hab/Death of G24HAB.mp3
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[15:35] <chrisstubbs> http://chris-stubbs.co.uk/hab/Death%20of%20G24HAB.mp3
[15:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Last partial image frag I got was Decoded image packet. Callsign: G24HAB, Image ID: 61, Resolution: 400x256, Packet ID: 18
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[15:36] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> :(
[15:36] <chrisstubbs> Last I got was image 63 packet 5
[15:36] <esculca> guys, can someone give me hand in here
[15:36] <esculca> I just submitted my payload
[15:36] <esculca> to habhub
[15:36] <esculca> it's name is balloonolo-3
[15:37] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> Well without a working tracker - and no idea of ascent rate or burst alt, I'm looking for a speck of sand on a beach
[15:37] <esculca> I can see my station online at spacenear-us
[15:37] <chrisstubbs> I'm monitoring the turbo payload frequency but nothing
[15:37] <mikestir> craag_Phil_M0DNY: is there nothing to DF? carrier gone?
[15:37] <mikestir> I've not been paying attention sorry
[15:38] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> mikestir: Carrier gone on both it seerms
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[15:38] <mikestir> strange
[15:38] <esculca> I can't see my telemetry at the parser logtrain
[15:38] <esculca> i am must be doing something wrong in here
[15:39] <mikestir> esculca: you shouldn't really be testing in online mode while there are live flights up, but do you have green decodes in fldigi?
[15:39] <esculca> mike, you're right
[15:39] <esculca> do you want me to turn it off?
[15:39] <esculca> green decodes?
[15:39] <esculca> what does that mean?
[15:40] <mikestir> first thing to check is that fldigi can decode your telemetry. if it can then you should see it come up in green at the top at the end of each complete message
[15:40] <esculca> that's what is wrong then
[15:40] <mikestir> you can test that in offline mode - it will still come up green or red
[15:41] <chrisstubbs> craag_Phil_M0DNY, was the turbo payload working on the ground? I dont think anybody got anything from it at all
[15:41] <esculca> that happens in any version of fldigi?
[15:41] <mikestir> dl-fldigi in hab mode yes
[15:41] <esculca> mine is not hab mode
[15:41] <esculca> I will change to that then
[15:43] <esculca> mike
[15:43] <mikestir> hello
[15:43] <esculca> after each sentence i need to do a carriafge return
[15:43] <esculca> and line feed?
[15:44] <esculca> or can I print the senteces in the same line
[15:44] <esculca> i have hab mode now
[15:44] <esculca> but I don't see the green decodes
[15:44] <mikestir> hmm not sure. you should include a linefeed, but I have a feeling it doesn't need it
[15:45] <mikestir> it needs $$ at the start - you should send more than two to allow for delays in syncing at the start
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[15:45] <esculca> more than 2?
[15:45] <mikestir> yes, so something like $$$$CALLSIGN,stuff,*ABCD\n
[15:45] <esculca> I am simply sending $$BALLOONOLO-3, etc,e tc
[15:45] <esculca> let me try with more$$ then
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[15:46] <mikestir> yes, that should be fine but suggest sending 4 or 5 $. This won't prevent it from decoding however
[15:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> do you need the last , before the * ?
[15:46] <mikestir> no
[15:46] <myier> what is the purpose of the dollar signs?
[15:46] <mikestir> to signify the start of the sentence
[15:47] <myier> of multiple dollar signs I should have said
[15:47] <mikestir> sometimes the AFC can drift out a bit between sentences, especially if there's a gap
[15:47] <mikestir> this can mean you lose the first character or two
[15:47] <myier> ok
[15:47] <mikestir> if you only sent two $ and you lost one the sentence wouldn't decode even if it was otherwise perfect
[15:47] <chrisstubbs> myier, are you using a checksum?
[15:48] <myier> yes
[15:48] <esculca> used 4 $$ but it still doesn't work
[15:48] <mikestir> esculca: can you paste an example of a complete sentence here
[15:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can you do a screen grab of dl-fldigi ?
[15:48] <chrisstubbs> Sorry I got confused, esculca are you using a checksum?
[15:49] <esculca> yes I am
[15:49] <N2NXZ> $$$$$N2NXZ-1,65,20:56:25,43.186319,-77.611520,143,7,8*F4D1
[15:49] <esculca> hotl on
[15:49] <esculca> I will show you my stence
[15:49] <esculca> sentence
[15:49] <esculca> in esecond
[15:49] <esculca> one second
[15:49] <chrisstubbs> Yes a screengrab of dl-fldigi will be useful
[15:50] <chrisstubbs> including the config page]#
[15:51] <N2NXZ> I pasted that string not even knowing what you guys are discussing :)
[15:51] <esculca> *DBF9$$$$BALLOONOLO-3,4, 15:47:34,40.60953,-8.61797, 118.6,25.70,100880.00,6.0, 0.00, 0.00,317.00, 0*C79E$$$$BALLOONOLO-3,5, 15:48:06,40.
[15:51] <esculca> it's a pretty long sentence
[15:51] <mikestir> crc is wrong
[15:51] <esculca> really?
[15:52] <mikestir> seems to be
[15:52] <esculca> how come?
[15:52] <mikestir> also you should try to get rid of the spaces
[15:52] <mfa298> screenshot of the same thing would probably help
[15:52] <esculca> i am trying to get rid of them
[15:53] <mikestir> crc should be calculated over the message only, not including the $ or * - is that what you're doing?
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[15:53] <mikestir> right - I get the same CRC as you if I include two $ at the start, so that's where you're going wrong
[15:53] <mikestir> start calculating the crc from the B
[15:53] <esculca> I am calculationg the CRC with the $$
[15:54] <daveake> yeah don't do that
[15:54] <mikestir> that's the problem then. Add a linefeed, fix the crc and get rid of the spaces
[15:54] <mikestir> then you're all set
[15:54] <daveake> and if you do change the number of $s don't forget to skip all of them
[15:54] <esculca> skipt?
[15:54] <esculca> what do you mean?
[15:54] <daveake> ignore
[15:54] <esculca> oh I see
[15:54] <esculca> sorry
[15:54] <esculca> ok, let me see what can I do
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[15:55] <esculca> tks
[15:55] <N2NXZ> Any tutorial websites in regards to using multiple transmitters on one arduino?
[15:56] <daveake> Not seen one, but if you have 1 working it's not that hard to do 2
[15:56] <amell> ouch, xaben/hl1 appears to have landed in royston high street :)
[15:56] <amell> wondering if rocketnb
[15:57] <amell> rocketboy managed to recover before a shopper made off with it
[15:57] <N2NXZ> One working here,but took me awhile to do that,major rookie here
[15:57] <daveake> N2NXZ They way I did it was to halve the timer interrupt period, and service each transmitter every other cycle
[15:57] <mikestir> at least it landed on a crossing
[15:57] <mikestir> hope it pressed the button first
[15:58] <N2NXZ> So operating 2 modules using one code is not a good idea?
[15:58] <mikestir> it should be trivial, especially if you are using an interrupt to shift the data out
[15:58] <daveake> Why not? I did it; worked fine
[15:58] <mikestir> you could buffer up one bit per byte and run 8
[15:59] <amell> is anything still flying apart from the floaters?
[15:59] <N2NXZ> I tested another module and it conflicted with shift of the original RTTY
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[15:59] <daveake> In my case it was an Arduino Mini Pro doing the transmission with 2 NTX2s, connected to a Pi over serial. The Pi built the packets and the AVR sent them
[16:00] <daveake> If you're using delays rather than interrupts, I suggest you get interrupts working first and then do 2 NTX2s
[16:00] <N2NXZ> Matching radios would be best most likely,but looking to add HF of some sort.Hard to find simple HF radios as easy to work as NTX2
[16:00] <amell> far as i can tell hdfld just died and isnt actually flying
[16:00] <daveake> Code is simpler that way
[16:00] <daveake> (interrupts)
[16:00] <N2NXZ> Good info to study..tnx
[16:01] <N2NXZ> I am terrible with this stuff...al new to me
[16:01] <N2NXZ> SP9UOB used a 9850 from sourcs,but no details found yet
[16:04] <F1VJQ_away> Nice to see B-64 coming in so well beyond the blue ring - still -0.2elev here
[16:05] <amell> im trying to find out whats left. is craag flying today?
[16:05] <Boelle_DK> am i right that xaben is a powerfull trnamitter?
[16:05] <Boelle_DK> transmitter
[16:05] <amell> usually is loud, yes
[16:06] <Boelle_DK> still testing the SDR dongle with habamp and hookupwire only
[16:06] <amell> but flight finished some time ago
[16:06] <amell> where are you?
[16:06] <Boelle_DK> getting some powerfull blimps on the strenght meter next to waterfall
[16:06] <Boelle_DK> DK....
[16:06] <Boelle_DK> Odense
[16:06] <Boelle_DK> should be on map
[16:07] <amell> i assure you that is not xaben :)
[16:07] <Boelle_DK> oki
[16:07] <amell> probably a car alarm or doorbell somewhere close by
[16:07] <Boelle_DK> think its the latter
[16:08] <Boelle_DK> get a lot of yellow in left side of waterfall
[16:08] <Boelle_DK> doooh
[16:09] <Boelle_DK> My OpenTRV units
[16:09] <Boelle_DK> not sure what freq they work on
[16:09] <Boelle_DK> but RFM23B chips
[16:10] <Boelle_DK> but well... dinner is up
[16:10] <Boelle_DK> back later
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[16:14] <mikestir> Boelle_DK: they are on 868
[16:16] <myier> doesn't dl-fldigi try to change received bits in case the checksum is incorrect?
[16:17] <myier> that wouldn't be hard to do and could resolve some transmission errors
[16:17] <mikestir> no. crc isn't an error correcting code (although I suppose you could correct a single bit error by brute force)
[16:18] <daveake> No, and it wouldn't make sense to do it there either
[16:18] <myier> you mean after IQ decoding?
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[16:18] <mikestir> you do it after the fldigi bit (like ssdv does)
[16:19] <daveake> I mean that habitat, which has the data from several receivers, would be far more capable of fixing errors
[16:19] <myier> oh yes indeed
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> Well, the right place to do it if you want optimal would be soft decisions.
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> Throw all the audio at a server, and let it decide
[16:28] <tweetBot> @daveake: Superman flying away from the bursting balloon behind him #raspberrypi #UKHAS @pitsproject http://t.co/E19M9KqLzO
[16:28] <N2NXZ> That is very cool!
[16:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cracking shot daveake
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[16:32] <daveake> Also https://twitter.com/daveake/status/487997274761740288/photo/1
[16:34] <tweetBot> @daveake: Felix Baumgartner never looked this cool #UKHAS #raspberrypi @pitsproject http://t.co/x6nDdSXTiN
[16:34] <arko> lol
[16:34] <daveake> </spamming_channel>
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> Is that cloak pinned up - or is that air?
[16:35] <arko> lol, my computers fan just spun up when i opened snus
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[16:36] <daveake> in the air
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[16:36] <daveake> that's on the way down
[16:38] <N2NXZ> Very good photos
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[16:40] <arko> did anyone take screenshots of the waterfall during launch-o-geddon?
[16:40] <daveake> upu did
[16:40] <daveake> http://i.imgur.com/tPLOiba.jpg
[16:41] <arko> hahaha
[16:41] <arko> looks as crazy as i imagined
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[16:42] <arko> wow, B-64 has a beautiful float alt profile
[16:44] <esculca> guys, what is the online tool you use to confirm the checksum?
[16:44] <arko> dl-fldigi checks it and turns the packet bar green
[16:44] <arko> if it fails the checksum it turns red
[16:45] <arko> i'm assuming you are decoding habs
[16:46] <mclane_> ulibaer
[16:47] <esculca> My dl-fldigi does not turn green or red
[16:47] <esculca> is there any feature I have to turn on ?
[16:47] <arko> are you using the HAB mode version?
[16:47] <esculca> on dl-fldigi?
[16:48] <esculca> yes I am
[16:48] <arko> and the packets are decoding?
[16:48] <arko> like $$$$payload,... etc etc
[16:48] <esculca> well, I see my telemetry showing up in the screen
[16:48] <esculca> yes, I can see everything
[16:48] <arko> screenshot?
[16:49] <esculca> can I place a screenshot in here?
[16:49] <arko> you can take a screenshot of the window and put it on imgur.com or something
[16:50] <arko> look at what daveake just posted: http://i.imgur.com/tPLOiba.jpg
[16:51] <arko> you can see the packets decoding and the bar above it turns green on a good checksum
[16:51] <arko> if there is no color it means you aren't following the correct packet structure
[16:51] <esculca> yes, I Can see
[16:51] <esculca> something I am not doing right in here
[16:51] <esculca> firts of all
[16:52] <esculca> I cannot seem to do a line feed and carriage return
[16:52] <arko> oh that's your first problem :P
[16:52] <esculca> even if I use \n\r
[16:52] <arko> gonna need that
[16:53] <esculca> don't know what happens
[16:53] <arko> hmm
[16:53] <qyx_> should be \r\n
[16:53] <esculca> bu tthis arduino compiler...
[16:53] <qyx_> at least in windows and serial terminal world
[16:54] <fsphil> rtty only needs \n
[16:54] <qyx_> don't know hab
[16:54] <qyx_> ok, i was wrong
[16:54] <esculca> in any case, for a clear understanding I'd like to see each line separately
[16:55] <esculca> I tried \n\r and \r\n
[16:55] <esculca> nothing
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[16:56] <arko> esculca: what does the decoded string look like?
[16:56] <arko> can you copy and paste a single packet
[16:56] <fsphil> the checksum is looking for at a minimum $$string*ABCD\n
[16:57] <esculca> $$BALLOONOLO-3,3,16:56:18,40.60934,-8.61774, 122.2,25.50,100877.00,6.0, 0.00, 0.00,129.00, 0*A3A5
[16:58] <fsphil> are there any long pauses during the string?
[16:58] <esculca> no
[16:59] <esculca> just these spaces
[16:59] <arko> The CRC-16 checksum of "$$BALLOONOLO-3,3,16:56:18,40.60934,-8.61774, 122.2,25.50,100877.00,6.0, 0.00, 0.00,129.00, 0" is E73F
[16:59] <fsphil> the checksum doesn't include the $$
[16:59] <esculca> where do you confirm that checksum?
[16:59] <arko> orly?
[16:59] <fsphil> aye
[16:59] <arko> derp derp
[16:59] <arko> http://depa.usst.edu.cn/chenjq/www2/software/crc/CRC_Javascript/CRCcalculation.htm
[17:00] <fsphil> gotta run
[17:00] <arko> im getting EACD
[17:00] <arko> laters fsphil
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[17:00] <arko> i g2g too, woke up, need to get coffee and go to a bbq
[17:01] <esculca> ok, thanks arko
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[17:06] <esculca> Ok, I managed to get rid of the spaces
[17:06] <esculca> now I need to get the line feed
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[17:08] <esculca> hold on
[17:08] <esculca> I finnaly got a red
[17:08] <esculca> from dl-fldigi
[17:09] <esculca> ok, so now it's a question of undestanding why the CRC is not being calculating properly
[17:11] <amell> is gilwell24 going up today or not?
[17:12] <mfa298> amell: it's been up and failed
[17:13] <amell> oh.
[17:13] <amell> :(
[17:13] <amell> thought it was at 5pm today
[17:13] <mfa298> I think the predictions for earlier improved
[17:13] <navrac_work> has b64 just stopped - its dropped off my waterfall quite abruptly
[17:15] <Ron_G8FJG> still going here
[17:16] <navrac_work> must have just got to that critical point - it was below the horizon for quite some tiem
[17:16] <navrac_work> time even
[17:17] <F1VJQ_away> B-64 still sending pips... receiving at 390km
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[17:17] <F1VJQ_away> elevation 0.1 and very good signal
[17:19] <mikestir> esculca: have you fixed it yet? do you want to try pasting another sentence for checking?
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[17:19] <F1VJQ_away> local QRM breaks a packet occasionally, but Contestia is very robust
[17:19] <esculca> not yet
[17:19] <esculca> I am able to get it red
[17:19] <esculca> and one line separately
[17:19] <mikestir> that means the crc is incorrect
[17:19] <esculca> indeed
[17:20] <esculca> i tried with the online tool
[17:20] <navrac_work> I'm just getting the odd pips from b64
[17:20] <esculca> and in fact the CRC is invalid
[17:20] <mfa298> esculca: can you post the strings your getting currently
[17:20] <esculca> sure
[17:21] <esculca> $$BALLOONOLO-3,4,17:18:29,40.60934,-8.61774,122.2,25.40,100858.00,6.0,0.00,0.00,129.00,0*E3A9
[17:21] <esculca> It's a long sentence I know
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[17:22] <esculca> btw, I really appreciate your help
[17:22] <esculca> this balloon I really need to recover it
[17:22] <esculca> my last atempt I lost the payload
[17:22] <mikestir> well nothing I do gets me to that checksum now
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[17:23] <mikestir> you might need to show some code since we know your crc algorithm is right
[17:23] <esculca> what do you mean? the CRC (E3A9) is correct?
[17:24] <mikestir> no, and I don't get E3A9 by any combination of adding $ and * and other usual mistakes
[17:24] <esculca> let me then dig into the CRC function
[17:24] <mfa298> mikestir: I got the same
[17:24] <esculca> I am using gps_CRC16_checksum
[17:24] <mikestir> you got e3a9 mfa298?
[17:25] <mfa298> esculca: it would probably help if you posted some of your code
[17:25] <esculca> sprintf(txstring,"%s,%d,%s,%s,%s,%s,%s,%s,%s,%s,%s,%s,%s",
[17:25] <esculca> sorry
[17:25] <mfa298> mikestir: sorry meant I couldn't get it with the various combinations of extra stuff
[17:25] <mikestir> I make it FAB0 (really :)
[17:26] <F1VJQ_away> time to read the code...
[17:26] Nick change: F1VJQ_away -> F1VJQ
[17:26] <esculca> I am digging into...
[17:27] <mikestir> make sure txstring is long enough for the longest possible string - you should really use snprintf instead
[17:27] <mikestir> sprintf should not exist
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[17:27] <mikestir> I doubt that's the problem though because I would expect to see corrupt data in the transmitted message if it was
[17:28] <esculca> it must be related to the \0
[17:28] <esculca> of the string
[17:28] <mikestir> I tried that
[17:29] <mikestir> but the \0 won't be counted if you are using the output of sprintf (or strlen) to get the length
[17:29] <mfa298> hmmmm, I must be putting the wrong stuff into the online calc I found I'm not getting FAB0 either.
[17:29] <esculca> strlen inside the gps_CRC16_checksum is retrieving 86 bytes
[17:30] <mikestir> mfa298: http://www.lammertbies.nl/comm/info/crc-calculation.html <-- it's crc_ccitt 0xffff
[17:30] <F1VJQ> should there be a comma before the * ???
[17:31] <mikestir> F1VJQ: no
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[17:33] <F1VJQ> mikestir OK... I was misled by "Communication Protocal" example....which shows > ......optional speed,optional bearing,optional internal temperature,*CHECKSUM\n
[17:34] <mikestir> tbh it probably doesn't matter as long as it's included in the checksum and habitat knows about it
[17:34] <mfa298> I was using the one arko (I think) linked to earlier and couldn't get the same result (I think it's probably using the wrong initial value)
[17:34] <mfa298> testing with http://www.zorc.breitbandkatze.de/crc.html also agrees on FAB0
[17:34] <mikestir> iirc it's a bit of a funny combination of polynomial and start value
[17:35] <mikestir> I think crc_ccitt normally starts with 0
[17:35] <mikestir> and the docs all call it crc16, which is a different polynomial
[17:36] <mfa298> the funny combination sounds familiar
[17:36] <esculca> can it be the complier?
[17:37] <esculca> I using arduino pro mini
[17:37] <mikestir> highly unlikely
[17:37] <esculca> this device has reduced memory
[17:37] <mfa298> plenty of people have used various arduinos
[17:38] <mikestir> if you were running out of memory you'd either see data corruption, or it would crash (or both)
[17:38] <mikestir> because the stack would be hitting your buffers
[17:38] <mfa298> at this point putting your checksum code (or possibly all of it) on something like github or pastebin would probably be useful
[17:39] <mfa298> it's well worth learning to use something like guthub to manage code as well as it will (if you use it properly) keep revision history of all your changes
[17:39] <esculca> guys
[17:39] <mikestir> paste the crc function, the bit that assembles the data part of the sentence, and the bit that assembles the final full sentence with the crc appended
[17:39] <esculca> I found out what was happening
[17:39] <esculca> it's is green now :)
[17:40] <mikestir> what was it?
[17:40] <esculca> the gps_CRC16_function was made considering the string had the first 2 bytes as $$
[17:40] <esculca> so it was skipping this 2 first bytes
[17:40] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> No recovery for GILWELL
[17:41] <esculca> got it?
[17:41] <mikestir> esculca: yep I get e3a9 for that :)
[17:41] <esculca> the CRC has not being calculated on the entire string
[17:41] <mfa298> craag_Phil_M0DNY: :(
[17:41] <esculca> but rather the string minus the first 2 bytes
[17:41] <esculca> ok
[17:41] <mfa298> did it have contact info on it ?
[17:41] <esculca> good, thanks for the help
[17:42] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> mfa298: Yes it did.
[17:42] <esculca> guys, can I try it online now?
[17:42] <esculca> I am in Portugal
[17:42] <esculca> will it affect other payloads?
[17:42] <mikestir> should be ok. spacenear surely can't get any slower anyway
[17:42] <esculca> :)
[17:43] <daveake> ha
[17:43] <mfa298> and I think all the up/down flights are recovered/lost
[17:43] <mfa298> craag_Phil_M0DNY: have to hope for a phone call then (and hope it wasn't lost to a tree)
[17:44] <esculca> my previous launch I got that call 1 month later
[17:44] <esculca> from a police officer, in Spain
[17:44] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> Yep I will be hoping.
[17:44] <esculca> :)
[17:45] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> Every launch so far I've been insistent on seeing a new telemetry string before launch, this time I delegated it :/
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> :/
[17:46] <mikestir> did you delegate to that bloke that was asleep?
[17:46] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> Looks like tracker was dead before I even carried it up the hill.
[17:46] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> hehe mikestir no
[17:46] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> He was the guard, after someone stole the filler hose
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[17:47] <jarod> balloons in reach!
[17:47] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> Clearly some sleuth managed to steal the joey cpu from under his nose.
[17:48] <esculca> ok, I can see BALLOONOLO-3 online now on spacenear.us
[17:48] <esculca> thanks everyone
[17:48] <jarod> SP3OSJ is put back in the air?
[17:48] <esculca> will keep on with my tests in here
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[17:50] <jarod> Maxell any balloon i can tune to?
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[17:52] <jarod> should i be able to catch SP3OSJ in the netherlands, or is that another balloon?
[17:52] <mikestir> sp3osj is long gone
[17:52] <jarod> yeah thought so
[17:52] <jarod> so http://spacenear.us/tracker/
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[17:53] <jarod> which balloon has reach other the netherlands?
[17:53] <jarod> says SP3OSJ here, so not sure
[17:53] <mikestir> everything is down apart from b-64
[17:53] <mikestir> 434.5
[17:54] <jarod> oh
[17:54] <jarod> why is the map so bad then?
[17:54] <jarod> besides from being super slow, its not refreshing?
[17:54] <mikestir> there were loads of flights today and a couple of payloads failed mid-flight, so they still show as being airborne
[17:54] <mikestir> but they're not
[17:54] <jarod> SP3OSJ also still shown, correct?
[17:55] <esculca_> guys, in order to help current trackers I will get offline
[17:55] <esculca_> and keep on with my tests off line
[17:56] <mikestir> sp3osj is out of range somewhere way north of the shetland islands
[17:57] <mikestir> it did another one of its sharp U-turns but this time it didn't come back
[17:58] <jarod> B-64 is exactly on my ADS-B range... so i guess that wont work :p
[18:00] <Herman-PB0AHX> B64 is ok here sometimes i hrd hem
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[18:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ..
[18:33] <lz1dev> according to GFS, SP3OSJ, should move around the north coast of norway and then down into russia
[18:33] <lz1dev> if it survives ofc :)
[18:34] <on4bhm> is b64 in night mode?
[18:34] <on4bhm> ok now telemetry
[18:35] Action: amell thinks Leobodnar is worried about his duration record
[18:36] <myier> what is the record ?
[18:37] <amell> 1 week, 22 hours, 20 minutes
[18:37] <amell> B-52
[18:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> See http://www.arhab.org/
[18:38] <jarod> someone fix the tracker map to be as fast as on http://www.flightradar24.com/
[18:38] <myier> jarod: http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/ this one is faster
[18:38] <amell> if it reappears tomorrow, leos record is smashed.
[18:39] <amell> actually, i think B-63 is setting a new record.
[18:42] <Maxell> jarod: nope too late :P
[18:43] <lz1dev> jarod: try Zo: hmm, the whalehook is not for trade
[18:43] <lz1dev> BONQ.MacLye#Water: K:=1KH:
[18:43] <lz1dev> BONQ.MacLye#Water: Sry,sir
[18:43] <lz1dev> paste fails me
[18:44] <lz1dev> jarod: http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker
[18:44] <lz1dev> try that
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[18:51] <Boelle_DK> Q: anyone know how you would messure the PH of water vapour while going up?
[18:51] <mattbrejza> 7
[18:51] <qyx_> ? 7
[18:52] <daveake> :)
[18:52] <LeoBodnar> vapour does not have pH i imagine
[18:52] <Boelle_DK> acid rain?
[18:52] <F1VJQ> it would if it was sulphuric acid vapour!
[18:52] <LeoBodnar> rain is not vapour duh
[18:53] <LeoBodnar> the question was about "water vapour"
[18:53] <Boelle_DK> sorry i asked
[18:53] <LeoBodnar> rain is liquid
[18:53] <mattbrejza> litmus paper and a camera?
[18:53] <LeoBodnar> liquid != vapour
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[18:53] <mikestir> universal indicator paper and a colour sensor?
[18:54] <LeoBodnar> maybe "partial pressure of sulfuric acid vapour" is better term
[18:54] <mfa298> jarod: reading back slightly, spacenear.us has a lot more data points on it than flightradar, and that's mostly done client side so maybe you just need a faster PC
[18:56] <Boelle_DK> or spacenear-us should not use the old googleapi
[18:56] <qyx_> Boelle_DK: like this? https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10972
[18:56] <qyx_> although it looks pretty complicated
[18:56] <Boelle_DK> qyx_: yep
[18:57] <LeoBodnar> I still claim vapour has no pH
[18:57] <Boelle_DK> vapour is still H20, just not as dense as in a glass
[18:57] <mfa298> Boelle_DK: well feel free to re-write it with the new api (it's a planned upgrade but the busy people that look after it have other more pressing changes that need to be done first)
[18:57] <MightyMik> it has a pH ... of 7
[18:57] <LeoBodnar> do you know what pH is reflecting?
[18:58] <Boelle_DK> no and that was still not the Q... the Q was how to messure how acid this less dense H20 is
[18:58] <LeoBodnar> I have to revert to wikedpedia
[18:58] <qyx_> Boelle_DK: yes and H2O has no, resp 7 pH
[18:58] <LeoBodnar> "In chemistry, pH is a measure of the acidity or basicity of an aqueous solution."
[18:58] <LeoBodnar> note "aqueous solution"
[18:59] <LeoBodnar> so unless you have ionised water vapour pH is meaningless
[19:00] <Boelle_DK> k
[19:00] <Boelle_DK> one idea scrapped there
[19:00] <LeoBodnar> it's an amount of H+ ions
[19:00] <mfa298> if it's in an aqueous solution can H2O have a pH ;)
[19:00] <LeoBodnar> well log and stuff
[19:00] <mattbrejza> clouds are water droplets though
[19:00] <mattbrejza> so you could measure the pH of the water in a cloud
[19:00] <mattbrejza> however, its probably easier to let it fall as rain then measure it
[19:00] <LeoBodnar> droplets or vapour?
[19:01] <Boelle_DK> lets define droplets etc....
[19:01] <mattbrejza> i thought they were droplets (taht line should have had a ? at the ned)
[19:01] <LeoBodnar> well pH of water vapour is minus infinity
[19:01] <Boelle_DK> i just thought it could be fun to messure it as it goes up and down... to tell how "clean" it is
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[19:02] <mikestir> you'd be better off measuring the concentration of $NASTY_GAS
[19:02] <LeoBodnar> droplets yes of course but question was about vapour
[19:02] <mattbrejza> well its not really something that will change over the course of the flight
[19:02] <mattbrejza> apart from n/a -> value -> n/a
[19:02] <Boelle_DK> its the value i was after... of course it will not change
[19:03] <Boelle_DK> if it will be so little it would not matter
[19:03] <mattbrejza> alothugh does acid rain become acid rain as it falls?
[19:03] <LeoBodnar> what if the value was 42?
[19:03] <LeoBodnar> what does it tell you?
[19:03] <mattbrejza> or does it become acid rain in the cloud
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[19:03] <Boelle_DK> forget it... i did not ask to be made this much fun of....
[19:04] <mattbrejza> i thought my point is a reasonable question
[19:04] <mattbrejza> if you were to launch in rain would it get less acidic as you ascend?
[19:04] <LeoBodnar> perhaps both
[19:05] <LeoBodnar> acid vapour might be trapped on a different layer than cloud forming one
[19:05] <LeoBodnar> i assume it has been studied to death?
[19:05] <mikestir> an interesting experiment might be to launch in rain while collecting and measuring the ph of liquid water, while simultaneously measuring the concentration of sulphur dioxide in the atmosphere
[19:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I understood it was as the water droplets collected SO particles from the air, so it could be within the cloud or on its way down, the vapour might have formed on the Sulpher particle in the first place
[19:05] <Boelle_DK> the reason behind my Q was out of pure interest in how clean the enviroment is....
[19:05] <mattbrejza> perhaps, but then so has the pressure/alitude relationship but people still fly it
[19:05] <Boelle_DK> it wold not be the only thing i thought of messuring
[19:06] <Boelle_DK> co2 would be another
[19:06] <Boelle_DK> particles
[19:06] <Boelle_DK> etc
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[19:06] <Boelle_DK> i could just not figure how to deal with ph
[19:06] <mattbrejza> good gas sensing is hard
[19:06] <mikestir> and power hungry
[19:06] <mattbrejza> or rather the shitty sensors from ebay dont do a good job
[19:07] <mattbrejza> i thought you could make a pH sensor easily from two different metals?
[19:07] <Boelle_DK> mikestir: your idea is along the lines of what i had i mind, but launch in rain?
[19:07] <mattbrejza> and then when you ascend through a cloud you should get condensation on it
[19:08] <mattbrejza> launching though a cloud should be enough
[19:08] <LeoBodnar> sensor probably needs self-cleaning cycle
[19:08] <mattbrejza> but youll only get one data point
[19:08] Nick change: SA6BSS -> SA6BSS-Mike
[19:09] <Boelle_DK> could of course have more than one sensor and turn them on in sequense.. and have a mech. flap that covers them...
[19:09] <Boelle_DK> so at arround cloud base activate the first one...
[19:10] <mikestir> you could just collect little vials and test them on the ground
[19:10] <Boelle_DK> then the next a bit after etc,,, disabling the first one
[19:10] <Boelle_DK> hmmmm
[19:10] <Boelle_DK> yes
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[19:11] <Boelle_DK> in rain that would be easy... a funnel to collect and let the tube go to the first one... the overflow to the next etc
[19:12] <LeoBodnar> contamination!
[19:13] <LeoBodnar> you are much better off flying spectrophotometer and measuring absorption lines strength
[19:13] <mikestir> and you'd need to close them anyway otherwise all you're going to be recovering is a wet box \;0
[19:13] <mikestir> hmm smiley fail :)
[19:14] <Boelle_DK> yep at least i think we can agree its not a simple one
[19:14] <LeoBodnar> which also gives you full chemical composition as a bonus
[19:14] <Boelle_DK> might be outright impossible
[19:14] <LeoBodnar> what? spectrophotometer?
[19:15] <Boelle_DK> nope that would just be a matter of size an number of baloons
[19:15] <LeoBodnar> basic module weighs 100g or so
[19:15] <Boelle_DK> dare i ask what they cost? *holding on to table edge*
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[19:18] <LeoBodnar> few hundred pounds
[19:19] <Boelle_DK> reuseable?
[19:19] <qyx_> ask Laurenceb__, he did something with spectrometers
[19:19] <LeoBodnar> it's a photometer but can be calibrated http://www.science-surplus.com/products/spectrometers
[19:20] <LeoBodnar> *spectrometer
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[19:28] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/150643_trj001.gif
[19:31] <Boelle_DK> Laurenceb_: the fine gentlemen in here told you had done work with spectrometers?
[19:31] <qyx_> :D
[19:32] <Boelle_DK> :-D gentlemen not meant in bad way...
[19:33] <LeoBodnar> North pole! :D
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[19:43] <amell> Speed: 19.3238199234 km/h - wow!
[19:43] <Laurenceb__> Boelle_DK: yes
[19:44] <Laurenceb__> what do you want to do?
[19:44] <amell> such precision!
[19:44] <Boelle_DK> Laurenceb_: well i would like to messure the PH of what ever H2O etc in the air on the way up and down when i get that far
[19:45] <Boelle_DK> Laurenceb_: of course there is not much H20 and its not very dense
[19:45] <Laurenceb__> right
[19:45] <Boelle_DK> some call it droplets... me used the wrong term and said vapour
[19:46] <Laurenceb__> ok
[19:46] <Boelle_DK> but i guess you get my drift
[19:46] <Laurenceb__> how does spectroscopy help in measuring pH?
[19:46] <Boelle_DK> that i dont know... LeoBodnar just mentioned it
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[19:47] <amell> he meant spectrophotometer
[19:47] <amell> personally im not sure such things exist
[19:47] <LeoBodnar> i have asked you Boelle_DK what would you do with pH figure of 42?
[19:48] <LeoBodnar> you seem to want to know amount of acid in water droplets
[19:48] <Boelle_DK> LeoBodnar: it would tell me to say indoors when it rains
[19:48] <LeoBodnar> spectral analysis wil tell you just that
[19:48] <LeoBodnar> and lots more
[19:48] <Boelle_DK> and to have something on the roof that can handle PH that high
[19:49] <Laurenceb__> spectral analysis cant give you a nice number of pH
[19:49] <Laurenceb__> unless you add a dye perhaps..
[19:50] <LeoBodnar> you can back calculate pH by knowing the contents of dissolved chemicals
[19:51] <LeoBodnar> if knowing pH is such an important thing
[19:51] <Boelle_DK> well it was just an idea... i know i'm total cracked
[19:51] <LeoBodnar> it's much more practical than measuring pH directly
[19:51] <Boelle_DK> not the first time
[19:51] <LeoBodnar> cleanly and without contamination
[19:52] <LeoBodnar> what's wrong with my suggestion Boelle_DK ?
[19:52] <Boelle_DK> nothing.... it was a statement about myself
[19:52] <LeoBodnar> i am more interested in your ideas than you
[19:53] <Boelle_DK> what i meant is that my idea can sound total nuts and bonkers compared to what you normal do
[19:53] <Boelle_DK> but the unit you linked too was not that bad.... 200$
[19:54] <Boelle_DK> of course it has to be recovred or it will become an expensive sensor
[19:54] <F1VJQ> LeoBodnar I'm noticing temp starting to drift now sun is gone
[19:54] <LeoBodnar> oh you did not say you are looking for expendible solution
[19:55] <Boelle_DK> well my wallet it not an buttomless pit... sorry to say
[19:55] <Boelle_DK> would have been nice thou
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> usually such experiments ar erecoverable
[19:56] <amell> put it another way, what drives pH in rain?
[19:56] <amell> Co2?
[19:56] <Laurenceb__> CO2, yeah
[19:56] <Laurenceb__> and nitric oxides
[19:56] <amell> so why not measure CO2 and infer from that
[19:56] <Laurenceb__> and sulphur dioxide
[19:56] <Boelle_DK> hmmmm
[19:56] <Boelle_DK> yeah
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> I think some sulfur from coal burning as well
[19:57] <LeoBodnar> oh, duh
[19:57] <amell> depends how accurate you want to be
[19:57] <Boelle_DK> where did i see an arduino shield that did this
[19:57] <Boelle_DK> mmm
[19:57] <Boelle_DK> ahhh
[19:57] <Boelle_DK> http://airqualityegg.com/
[19:58] <amell> http://www.airsensor.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=17&vmcchk=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=2
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[20:00] <F1VJQ> myier looks like B-64 will fly close to you tonight
[20:01] <Boelle_DK> would the air egg thing be any better?, just opened the specs
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[20:02] <F1VJQ> 434.4979 for 1500Hz centre
[20:02] <LeoBodnar> drifting down?
[20:04] <F1VJQ> 434.4974 now, yes
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[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[20:08] <Laurenceb__> oh shit
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[20:08] <Laurenceb__> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/British_and_French_Snipers_During_Ex_Boars_Head.jpg/800px-British_and_French_Snipers_During_Ex_Boars_Head.jpg
[20:09] <Laurenceb__> looks like mad max
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[20:11] <amell> ghillie suits
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[20:12] <F1VJQ> 434.4965
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[20:13] <F1VJQ> 434.4961
[20:17] <F1VJQ> 434.4959
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[20:17] <LeoBodnar> oh dear
[20:18] <F1VJQ> 1 red and 1 green that time due to drift!
[20:19] <F1VJQ> 366.4km range ... it's not getting closer either!
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[20:22] <F1VJQ> 2 reds :-(
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[20:23] <amell> on my 16x2 lcd display some characters have extra pixels that shouldnt be there, any thoughts on how to reset? tried power off and on and no difference.
[20:23] <pd3t> F1VJQ: 2 reds on?. B63?
[20:23] <pd3t> *B64 ?
[20:24] <F1VJQ> yes B-64
[20:25] <F1VJQ> 1 green 1 red
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[20:39] <F1VJQ> 2 greens - telemetry goes HF... pips tend the other way LF
[20:40] <F1VJQ> It needs another few trackers on this... I'm having to manually keep track of freq!
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[20:43] <F1VJQ> 434.4955
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[20:50] <F1VJQ> LeoBodnar Is there APRS on this one? It may be handy during the night when it crosses into Italy!
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[20:51] <F1VJQ> The 0.01 solar reading may be moonlight!
[20:52] <Laurenceb__> amell: alphanumeric lcd?
[20:52] <amell> YEP
[20:52] <amell> sorry
[20:52] <amell> something seems to be corrupt inside it
[20:52] <Laurenceb__> iirc you can define characters using eeprom
[20:53] <Laurenceb__> maybe you overwrote the eeprom
[20:53] <amell> yes, 8 characters.
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[20:53] <amell> cant think how. the = symbol has extra pixel in it
[20:54] <myier> hmm. maybe B-64 will stop turning and come right over me
[20:54] <myier> that'd be nice for a first day
[20:54] <F1VJQ> myier it should come close
[20:54] <myier> oh sorry i didn't see you message F1VJQ
[20:54] <myier> :)
[20:54] <F1VJQ> rubber duck isn't the greatest antenna thoughn
[20:55] <myier> yes, and I'm inside a building in the city
[20:55] <F1VJQ> myier outside with clear view of horizon would be good!
[20:55] <myier> and at this speed it will be there when I sleep
[20:55] <pd3t> F1VJQ: aprs does work on B64 i got packets digipeated on my mobile radio
[20:55] <pd3t> as soon as it leaves france it should turn on
[20:56] <F1VJQ> pd3t OK thanks - it is disabled over F-land
[20:56] <pd3t> it's to far from me to be able to hear it
[20:56] <pd3t> indeed
[20:56] <myier> yeah, that's not possible, my laptop is a EeePC and cannot run both gqrx and fldigi
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[20:57] <F1VJQ> myier you may be lucky if it comes close
[20:57] <F1VJQ> the projected path is very close!
[20:57] <myier> is there another decoding program that people use sometimes, even if it's not connected to habitat?
[20:57] <F1VJQ> 374km from me at the moment
[20:58] <myier> (like a less CPU hungry one)
[20:58] <myier> maybe some command line tool?
[20:58] <F1VJQ> myier I don't know.. sorry
[21:01] <F1VJQ> http://www.oliviamode.com/Contestia.htm may be worth looking at
[21:05] <amell> is there a diff for dl-fldigi somewhere? wondering if its time to do a new dl-fldigi...
[21:05] <jcoxon> amell, indeed it is
[21:05] <jcoxon> its not easy though
[21:05] <amell> was just looking at the commit log for fldigi, lots of new stuff
[21:06] <jcoxon> they have broken their rtty decoder
[21:06] <amell> did they make major changes?
[21:06] <jcoxon> its a lot worse
[21:06] <amell> oh. well thats a bad start
[21:07] <jcoxon> we've tried to update it
[21:07] <jcoxon> but its not great
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[21:07] <amell> what did they do to rtty?
[21:07] <amell> ripped it out and put something else in?
[21:07] <F1VJQ> in my IT days we reverted to previous version...:-)
[21:08] <F1VJQ> whilst newer version tested/corrected
[21:08] <jcoxon> they changed some core code which has degraded the quality
[21:08] <jcoxon> but they haven't really noticed
[21:08] <jcoxon> honestly we are considering moving away from fldigi
[21:08] <myier> same here
[21:09] <amell> any alternatives now?
[21:09] <myier> F1VJQ: contestia, developed in 2005, that doesn't start well
[21:10] <mfa298> amell: there's mattbrejza's Java app which does rtty and turbohab
[21:10] <amell> well its a start, would need contesia at least
[21:11] <F1VJQ> myier age isn't an indicator...Windows 8 was developed recently...and that is MR2
[21:11] <amell> UI and habitat API stuff is relatively easy, its all the modes.
[21:11] <mfa298> amell: this is some of the detail of the rtty issues we've seen with the later fldigi base https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/issues/21
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[21:12] <amell> <reading>
[21:12] <mattbrejza> i dont see why it would need const. when only one person currently uses is
[21:12] <mattbrejza> it
[21:12] <mattbrejza> it is possible to have mor ethan one decoding program installed
[21:12] <amell> contesia is so good, i wouldnt be surprised if more people use it
[21:12] <jcoxon> not going to rush to change things
[21:12] <jcoxon> need to properly do it
[21:14] <F1VJQ> myier MR2 pronounced in Frech :-)
[21:14] <F1VJQ> French
[21:17] <myier> what's MR2?
[21:17] <amell> jcoxon: ok. so 50 baud rtty would be fine. did you report the 300 issue to upstream?
[21:18] <LeoBodnar> F1VJQ: yes APRS is there
[21:18] <LeoBodnar> did you increase the range in Contestia modem?
[21:18] <mattbrejza> why do we even need the latest version of fldigi? does it have anything added?
[21:18] <myier> celestia is used in fldigi? I'm not sure I understand the link between the two as written on contestia webpage
[21:18] <jcoxon> amell, oh 50baud isn't actually fine
[21:18] <jcoxon> it works but not very well
[21:18] <jcoxon> mattbrejza, very true
[21:18] <F1VJQ> Contestia
[21:19] <jcoxon> hence why we need a big discussion
[21:19] <myier> that'd be nice to be able to decode several signals at the same time too, but I've seen somewhere a software that does that already, maybe it was for windows only
[21:19] <F1VJQ> LeoBodnar remind me how to expand range?
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[21:19] <myier> when you see dave's screenshot, you can ask yourself what's wrong with these programs
[21:19] <LeoBodnar> Right-click on CTSTIA 64/1000 in the bottom left corner
[21:19] <LeoBodnar> set Tune margin to 128
[21:20] <amell> jcoxon: a birds of a feather session at the ukHAS conf?
[21:20] <jcoxon> maybe
[21:20] <jcoxon> though last time i did that it didn't go that well
[21:20] <jcoxon> might be better discussed in the pub
[21:20] <amell> BOFs need the right peopel
[21:21] <F1VJQ> LeoBodnar OK - I had it at 100
[21:21] <mattbrejza> the javascript rtty decoder is quite neat
[21:21] <mattbrejza> i think there was talk of adding that to /mt
[21:22] <LeoBodnar> javascript decoder?
[21:23] <mattbrejza> philcrump.co.uk/webdemod
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[21:23] <F1VJQ> LeoBodnar green again at 380km
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[21:24] <F1VJQ> I'd really like someone else in France to join the fun !!
[21:24] <Johnwulp> Hi, does somebody know on what freq. the b64 is?
[21:24] <mfa298> fldigi can do multiple streams within the same audio pass band, but I think it relies on everything using the same settings and things being in the same 4KHz - neither of which are common occurances in HAB
[21:25] <myier> ok
[21:26] <F1VJQ> yes.. 434.4955 for 1500Hz centre
[21:26] <amell> SP3OSJ has been up 7 days, 10 hours, 26 minutes and 11 seconds. Only 10 more hours to LeoBodnars record.
[21:26] <F1VJQ> John wulp see above
[21:26] <amell> No doubt Leo will be hoping that weve heard the last of it.
[21:27] <fsphil> hah, http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2014-07-12--14-13-20-G24HAB-E2A.jpeg
[21:27] <amell> actually 12 hours not 10 hours away
[21:27] <fsphil> good to see the launch crew where keeping busy :)
[21:28] <amell> strange event
[21:28] <myier> oh there's a tracker near lyon and one in corsica too
[21:28] <Johnwulp> Thanks! Why does odd freq? I can't tune with my cheap boafeng :-)
[21:28] <myier> that's good to know, I'll launch in august, and I was afraid nobody else could receive my payload
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[21:30] <mfa298> fsphil: I think craag_Phil_M0DNY was suggesting that was the person keeping guard after the filler tube went missing
[21:31] <fsphil> aaah
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[21:31] <fsphil> some nice images from both flights
[21:31] <F1VJQ> Johnwulp then 434.495 for 1000Hz centre...
[21:32] <mfa298> Johnwulp: cheap baofeng won't get most of the data anyway. The contessia data stream needs an SSB receiver (you may be able to get aprs data once it's out of france on 144.800 and it may be doing some arps around 434.500
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[21:37] <malclocke> hi folks. we're going to be testing our payload down here in Christchurch, NZ in a couple of hours to give any trackers a practice run before our first flight. not a real flight.
[21:40] <jcoxon> malclocke, thanks for the update
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> hi chrisstubbs and james
[21:41] <chrisstubbs> Evening
[21:43] <malclocke> jcoxon, no worries. hopefully doesn't create any probs for you folks being in the middle of your night :)
[21:44] <F1VJQ> Anyone in France... get listening, I may not be able to track B-64 for much longer since I'm on edge of the circle
[21:44] <jcoxon> when is the real launch?
[21:45] <malclocke> jcoxon, probably a few weeks away atm. awaiting balloons and then we need a pretty specific weather window to not go out to sea.
[21:45] <malclocke> will announce on the mailing list
[21:46] <amell> http://i.imgur.com/ywFjG1M.png - see extra pixel below - and in the 7
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[21:47] <fsphil> glad to see some practicing
[21:47] <fsphil> some launches recently have lacked that
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[21:47] <F1VJQ> Oh good another listener joined B-64
[21:49] <Maxell> nice!
[21:49] <Maxell> get more hams requited there
[21:49] <chrisstubbs> Any updates craag_Phil_M0DNY?
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[21:51] <myier> does B-64 have a 10mW emitter too?
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[21:52] <fsphil> yea
[21:52] <myier> it's funny to see how far such a small-powered device can be heard far away
[21:52] <myier> -far away
[21:53] <fsphil> it always impresses me
[21:53] <fsphil> I should be used to it by now :)
[21:54] <myier> I'm considering putting a 150mW emitter just in case, but if I'm able to receive B-64 with my losy antenna I definetely would keep 433MHz and 10mW
[21:55] <myier> hm. seems like losy is not a real word
[21:55] <mikestir> mfa298: just reading back. after the discussion we had the other day I think I am going to move webradio over to gnuradio to get it properly functional in the shortest time. I have some other stuff I need to get out of the way first, but I'm happy to give some consideration to that code becoming the core of a new client/server style receiver+decoder application
[21:55] <myier> loser then
[21:56] <mikestir> myier: the word is lossy
[21:57] <myier> it's not really the one I was looking for but it works too
[21:57] <mattbrejza> lossy
[21:58] <mattbrejza> oh only a tad late with that
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[22:01] <F1VJQ> rubber duck probably no worse than a GP
[22:01] <myier> oh ok contestia is a mode, not a software, that's why I didn't understand anything
[22:01] <F1VJQ> yes, part of the FLdigi program
[22:02] <myier> I don't even have a cable that I can put between the FCDP+ and an antenna
[22:02] <F1VJQ> I'm finding sigs going low at 393km
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[22:03] <myier> I have a 1 meter brass 2mm diameter pipe that I can probably connect though
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[22:05] <myier> I can't change the gain of the fcdp+ with gqrx strangely
[22:05] <myier> oh no OK the AGC had to be disabled...
[22:08] <F1VJQ> 434.496 for B-64 if anyone needs it
[22:09] <F1VJQ> myier you would hear it with an outdoor antenna
[22:10] <myier> I'm trying to install gqrx at least, I'll see if I can receive a signal
[22:10] <myier> on the laptop
[22:10] <F1VJQ> 405km now from here and still green decode
[22:10] <myier> you have a yagi too
[22:11] <F1VJQ> myier yes, at 10m hauteur du sol and a clear horizon
[22:11] <myier> I don't have any of that, there are mountains between me and the balloons so low on horizon
[22:12] <F1VJQ> 406.9km and zero horizon here at the moment
[22:12] <myier> maybe F4UGF will pick it up, he's online
[22:13] <F1VJQ> I hope so, I cannot keep it for much longer!
[22:13] <F1VJQ> You can see I'm very close to edge of the blue circle on Atlantic coast
[22:14] <mfa298> myier: with transmiter power you need to consider what you can do legally. For the UK (and I think most of EU) for ISM use the legal limit is 10mW (hence that's what we use)
[22:14] <myier> mfa298: in France there's an ISM band available for 500mW 10% duty cycle, between 869.4 and 869.65 MHz
[22:15] <myier> and in Italy too I think
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[22:15] <myier> yes I've seen F1VJQ
[22:15] <F1VJQ> myier and again I am the only receiver....
[22:16] <myier> yes I know
[22:16] <mikestir> myier: yes we have that too. I flew an 868 MHz payload and it worked well, but there aren't many receivers because there's no ham band there
[22:16] <mfa298> myier: the downside is the increased path loss, the more restrictive duty cycle and fewer sensitive recievers for 868MHz
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[22:17] <myier> oh I didn't know about the receivers' sensibility
[22:17] <amell> laurenceb_: wow. if i power the LCD display off battery, the extra pixels dont appear. only happens via usb&.
[22:17] <myier> the fcdp+ for exemple receives less well than at 433?
[22:18] <mikestir> it's the antenna that's the main issue probably. a lot of people are using 2/70 ham antennas
[22:18] <mikestir> fcd, rtlsdr and anyone using an ssb capable scanner can probably tune 868 as well as 434, but they might not have the same antenna facilities
[22:19] <mfa298> the fcd pro+ is about the only decent receiver thats at a reasonable price and no decent comercial antennas. on 434MHz a lot of hams will have suitable receivers and there are lots of good antennas
[22:19] <myier> great the gnuradio-fcdproplus package has been moved in the official Arch Linux system
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[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> that might well be mfa298
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[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> ah mikestir sottry
[22:19] <Motolization> hello everyone
[22:19] <myier> ok thanks for the info
[22:19] <F1VJQ> 434MHz capable stations are relatively abundant for tracking, where 868 equipped stations are very rare!
[22:19] <myier> where I am anyway, there's not much people to hear us
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> and I think 2.4 GHz even rarer
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> but I think people used that for video downlink
[22:20] <F1VJQ> and even less with 868
[22:20] <mfa298> mikestir: when you did your 868 flight did it also have a 434 tracker. Just thinking the stats between the two could be interesting
[22:20] <mikestir> yes it did. upu reported receiving the 868 on a scanner/whip on his windowsill for a lot of the flight
[22:21] <mikestir> but most people (including us) were using the 434 tracker
[22:21] <mikestir> the antenna was a dipole made out of copper tape attached to the side of the payload box
[22:21] <mikestir> I thought it would be rubbish
[22:21] <amell> what radio did you use for 868?
[22:21] <mfa298> I got the 868 as well although I think had to wait for it to get over the local hill (I was /A)
[22:21] <mikestir> amell: aor ar8200
[22:22] <F1VJQ> still green and I am now on the blue circle...may be one of the last greens... for the record, QRG is 434.496
[22:22] <amell> mikestir: i meant on the tracker PCB
[22:22] <F1VJQ> 412km
[22:22] <mikestir> oh, both trackers on that flight were rfm22b
[22:23] <mikestir> appropriate bands obviously
[22:23] <mikestir> the trackers were identical
[22:23] <myier> I thought it was too much unreliable with low temperature?
[22:23] <mikestir> a bit drifty
[22:23] <amell> i have two spare rfm69HW here. not sure what to do with them...
[22:23] <mikestir> fly them
[22:24] <amell> they are both 868
[22:24] <mikestir> I have some rfm69w modules for 434 and 868 but not done much with them
[22:24] <mikestir> the new tracker uses the bare chips and is much better
[22:24] <myier> I was thinking about buying the radiometrix TX3H if we're going for 868MHz
[22:24] <myier> anybody has experience with it?
[22:25] <amell> you wont get many trackers. most people dont have the aerials for 868
[22:25] <myier> experience with this emitter I mean
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> also you can't run 868 full time
[22:25] <myier> the hardware
[22:25] <mikestir> Lunar_Lander: you can in one sub-band, but only at 5mW
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:26] <mfa298> amell: sounds just right to do some #ukhasnet stuff with
[22:26] <myier> the increased power should allow for a faster communication, with a different mode than RTTY, maybe the 10% duty could be still all right
[22:26] <F1VJQ> amell or put them on ebay :-)
[22:26] <amell> mfa298: yes, maybe i see when it gets more mature...
[22:27] <F1VJQ> still receiving 434 at -0.1 horizon
[22:27] <F1VJQ> B-64
[22:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> myself, Have you taken a listen for B-64 yet ?
[22:27] <mikestir> the optimal solution is probably bpsk with turbo code
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[22:28] <myier> no, I'm installing the software on my laptop
[22:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> rather myier, have you taken a listen for B-64 yet ?
[22:28] <myier> but even with that, I have a building in the line of sight
[22:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah right I thought you had already got that far.
[22:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> But its coming closer ....
[22:28] <myier> I'll see if the installation goes fine and CPU power is good, and I'll try to go outside maybe
[22:28] <mfa298> amell: the base of it is reasonably mature. Just needs more nodes and ideas of things to add (things like new sensors are relatively easy to add to the DB)
[22:28] <myier> I went that far on the fixed computer
[22:29] <mikestir> mfa298: the telemetry csv file for wggs1 (434) is 95.4KB, the one for WGGS1B (868) is 31.3KB
[22:29] <myier> at this speed, I don't have to hurry
[22:29] <mikestir> so that gives a good indication of how much more prevalent rxes are on 434, given that the 868 one was reported to be working well
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[22:30] <F1VJQ> F4AGQ has B-64 but I got reds last time... it's really out of range, and it's getting hard!
[22:30] <Reb-SM0ULC> mikestir: "turbo code" ?
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[22:30] <mfa298> and some people (me at least I think) only received the 868 one (I dont think I had enough bits for both)
[22:30] <mikestir> Reb-SM0ULC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_code
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[22:31] <Reb-SM0ULC> aaah, too tired to think of that...
[22:32] <F1VJQ> green again! 417km
[22:32] <mikestir> I wonder if mattbrejza is about. I recall reading that turbo codes have actually been bettered by LDPC?
[22:32] <mattbrejza> depends on the frame length
[22:33] <mikestir> so do turbo codes win on short frames?
[22:33] <mattbrejza> also ldpc would require shit loads of space for the encoding matrix
[22:33] <mattbrejza> as i understand it
[22:33] <myier> how do you see your distance anyway F1VJQ?
[22:33] <fsphil> that's a lot
[22:33] <mattbrejza> should probably compare them :P
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[22:33] <mattbrejza> as an example, the max frame length for ldpc is 6144 bits
[22:34] <mattbrejza> while dvb-s2 uses 32800
[22:34] <F1VJQ> myier it is shown in fldigi
[22:34] <myier> oh nice
[22:34] <mikestir> is your turbohab work based on lte?
[22:34] <F1VJQ> along with the elevation and bearing
[22:35] <mattbrejza> yea
[22:35] <mattbrejza> its interleaver is nice
[22:35] <myier> even if I can receive anything with gqrx, I won't be able to stream it to the dl-fldigi computer, would it be possible to record the sound, and replay it later, just to have some kind of history in the tracker map?
[22:35] <mattbrejza> the LTE turbo code is almost the same as previous standards though
[22:36] <mikestir> I want to have a look at some of this stuff because it interests me. I can probably implement some fairly heavy duty stuff on that ARM tracker I've got
[22:36] <F1VJQ> myier I cannot answer that question, but someone else maybe able to.... you could decode in fldigi and copy the received text window... that may be possible to paste into the back log
[22:37] <mattbrejza> the encoder is relatively trival
[22:37] <myier> in dl-fldigi
[22:37] <mattbrejza> it only becomes non trivial because the turbo code works on a bit by bit basis, but you store everything in uint8_t
[22:37] <mikestir> I'm particularly interested in capacity-approaching codes on 2.4GHz for live video
[22:37] <myier> it would then send data to the habitat
[22:37] <myier> old data, but since there is a date in it, is it a problem?
[22:38] <mattbrejza> you might as well just copy dvb-s2?
[22:38] <mikestir> yeah I suppose
[22:38] <mattbrejza> although even if turbo codes are 1dB worse than ldpc with longer frames, 1dB isnt that much
[22:39] <F1VJQ> 422km two greens and -0.2horizon
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[22:40] <myier> I could also take a car, go in the mountain, and get good data
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[22:41] <mikestir> mattbrejza: there's quite a lot of atv activity around here and I think a lot of it is dvb-s. I'm not sure if anyone has looked at doing their own modulators/encoders yet though
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> ATV via satellite?
[22:41] <F1VJQ> myier if you can take a computer with fldigi you will be sure to receive, so long as your receiver is good
[22:41] <mikestir> I guess building a dvd-s2 modulator for terrestrial use is going to be a good first step
[22:41] <mikestir> Lunar_Lander: no terrestrial
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> because you said DVB-S
[22:42] <mattbrejza> not suprised, have you looked at the specs for these things?
[22:42] <mikestir> they tend to use dvb-s rather than dvb-t because the 23cm band lies in the IF for a sat rx
[22:42] <mattbrejza> not exactly simple
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:42] <myier> I can't have fldigi running on the laptop, it takes too much CPU
[22:42] <Reb-SM0ULC> mikestir: what kind of bw wre your thinking about for video?
[22:42] <mikestir> I reckon you can get reasonable quality H.264 at standard def down to under 1Mbps
[22:42] <mikestir> maybe 500kbps if it was gimbal stabilise
[22:42] <mikestir> d
[22:43] <Reb-SM0ULC> right
[22:43] <F1VJQ> myier then you may just be able to go and listen without decode
[22:43] <F1VJQ> myier it is still on 434.496
[22:44] <mikestir> mattbrejza: I looked at dvd-t2 for something else and I assume there is some commonality. I know it's not simple - would definitely require an fpga implementation
[22:44] <mikestir> *dvb-t2
[22:45] <amell> h264 is so so 80s&.
[22:45] <mattbrejza> you can always implement small parts of it
[22:45] <mattbrejza> for example turbohab is simplified from LTE because im not using MIMO or HARQ
[22:45] <mfa298> mikestir: looking at the lists of callsigns in the telemetry, 868 had 5 listeners, 434 had 23 (which included the same 5 that also heard 868)
[22:46] <amell> What about HEVC/H265
[22:46] <mattbrejza> 5 was good going not that long ago
[22:46] <mikestir> I'm surprised there were as many as 5 given that it was on a weekday
[22:46] <mattbrejza> got any hardware encoders handy for that amell ?
[22:46] <mikestir> ^^^
[22:46] <mikestir> h.264 is hard
[22:46] <mikestir> h.265 is no doubt harder
[22:48] <mikestir> also, if implementing dvb-s2 it would be sensible to use a standard sat rx
[22:48] <mattbrejza> are you getting ready for a possible rule change?
[22:48] <mattbrejza> or gonna NoV?
[22:48] <mikestir> not necessarily
[22:48] <mikestir> local club has a tracking mount on the top of a lighthouse
[22:49] <amell> lolz, 4K HAB video? i think theres some hardware chips out for HEVC now
[22:49] <mikestir> a dish could do quite well even on 2.4GHz ISM
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[22:49] <mikestir> I'd definitely apply for a nov though if that was an option
[22:50] <amell> http://www.hhi.fraunhofer.de/fields-of-competence/image-processing/solutions/hevc-software-and-hardware-solutions/hevc-real-time-hardware-decoder.html
[22:50] <mattbrejza> would need a pretty big dish
[22:50] <mattbrejza> do the maths and find out :P
[22:50] <Reb-SM0ULC> mfa298: more use of rsid could maybe help a lot, not that is was bad unmbers..
[22:50] <amell> youd probably have more luck fixing isee3.
[22:50] <mattbrejza> amell: encoder
[22:50] <mattbrejza> like even a pi can do h264 encoding
[22:50] <mattbrejza> but h265?
[22:51] <mikestir> mattbrejza: I did do the maths. It isn't going to do the full flight, but it was reasonable
[22:51] <mattbrejza> is that at 1Mbit?
[22:51] <mikestir> I think I assumed 500k at approaching the shannon limit
[22:51] <mattbrejza> although having the bitrate only gets you 3dB
[22:51] <mikestir> of course you could reduce the bitrate with altitude
[22:52] <mikestir> at mid altitudes there's nothing to see, and high up half the image is black
[22:52] <mattbrejza> you could get silly and start MIMO/beamforming
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[22:52] <mattbrejza> although beamforming is probably not allowed at 10mW erp
[22:53] <mikestir> well, it would be if you met the erp bit
[22:53] <mfa298> Reb-SM0ULC: not sure how RSID would have helped. Those were the numbers of different listening stations over two different bands.
[22:53] <Reb-SM0ULC> mikestir: thinking packetized video a la ssdv or?
[22:53] <F1VJQ> compression on the blocks could reduce the amount needed to be sent... escape character followed by how many black pix
[22:53] <mikestir> no, I think mattbrejza's idea of just using dvb-s2 is a good one
[22:53] <mikestir> dvb supports packet data anyway
[22:54] <mikestir> the downlinks for sat broadband are just carried on dvb bearers
[22:54] <F1VJQ> 430.5km and another green
[22:54] <mikestir> however, this is not an easy project and I have no time!
[22:54] <mattbrejza> yea at altitude itll at least compres nicely
[22:54] <Reb-SM0ULC> mfa298: just thought when >1 flights at the same time and broad sdr-receivers
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[22:58] <F1VJQ> I think B-64 is gone for me... I hear faintly and not decoding, so bon voyage B-64 and hope APRS cuts in overnight... 1am here so going QRT
[22:58] <mikestir> gn
[22:59] <F1VJQ> Goodnight all... it has been a long day!! 73
[22:59] <qyx_> mattbrejza: do you have some ldpc enc/dec sources?
[22:59] <mattbrejza> i have some matlab lying around
[22:59] <mattbrejza> however it might just call the comms toolbox :P
[22:59] <qyx_> nah, i was hoping for c
[23:00] <mattbrejza> actually i do have the decoder in matlab if you wanted to convert it
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[23:01] <qyx_> i will ask internets if something is done already
[23:01] <mikestir> mattbrejza: dvb-s2 seems to be ldpc
[23:01] <mattbrejza> yep
[23:02] <amell> arduino interrupts& anyone want to tell me why mine doesnt work?
[23:02] <mattbrejza> enabled them with sei(); ?
[23:02] <mikestir> it reckons it can achieve about 0.7dB over shannon limit
[23:02] <amell> ooh, never heard of sei()
[23:02] <mikestir> haha. that will be it then amell
[23:02] <amell> attachInterrupt(0, panicone, RISING);
[23:02] <mattbrejza> thats what you need on an avr anyway
[23:03] <mattbrejza> dunno about tarduino
[23:03] <mikestir> oh arduino weirdness
[23:03] <mikestir> so on a normal avr you just do ISR(vector_name){ stuff; } then set the relevant bit and call sei()
[23:03] <mattbrejza> is 0.7dB just the channel code?
[23:03] <mattbrejza> you then lose more performance with the sync, channel estimation etc
[23:04] <mikestir> that's just from the etsi doc. it claims 0.7 to 1 dB over shannon for the channel coding in awgn
[23:04] <mattbrejza> ah right
[23:04] <amell> its an interrupt routine which gets called when a button is pressed, on pin 2
[23:04] <mattbrejza> i think the lte turbo is about 1.6-2dB down on shannon
[23:04] <amell> pin2 should initiate a irq 1
[23:04] <myier> I have gqrx working on the laptop, I'm a bit disappointed by the fact that it needs pulseaudio to run and to eat 20% of my poor CPU
[23:05] <mikestir> presumably channel estimation/EQ is less of an issue for dvb-s because it doesn't need to worry about multipath
[23:06] <mattbrejza> i would have thought so
[23:06] <mattbrejza> carrier recovery then :P
[23:06] <mikestir> amell: there are pin change interrupts. I don't know what crazy shit those arduino guys did to hide that from you
[23:07] <Reb-SM0ULC> sp3osj might come in to norway, in 48 hours, http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/153365_trj001.gif
[23:07] <mikestir> honestly I'm sure all these arduino problems would go away with a cursory glance at the atmega328 datasheet and a vow never to touch the arduino IDE again
[23:07] <amell> if it does, then leo will be weeping at the destruction of his duration record
[23:07] <amell> sp3osj is only 12 hours short of the record
[23:09] <lz1dev> sp3osj got really unlucky with the weather
[23:09] <Reb-SM0ULC> amell: must be duration record over Sweden anywy :)
[23:10] <amell> unlucky or lucky?
[23:11] <lz1dev> unlucky
[23:11] <amell> it was hanging around like a bad smell
[23:11] <amell> glad it went
[23:12] <lz1dev> lol
[23:13] <myier> my street is exactly aligned with the balloon's direction, I'll try to get something from outside
[23:14] <myier> damn gqrx and dependencies have been added to the official distribution just after I compiled them
[23:15] <Reb-SM0ULC> qrt, cya
[23:18] <fsphil> ooh so it is. gqrx is packaged in fedora now
[23:18] <fsphil> how'd I not notice that
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[23:24] <fsphil> works well. that'll make things much simpler
[23:25] <jarod> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJoRZOK18Fg
[23:27] <mikestir> haha
[23:29] <mikestir> right. gn
[23:30] <myier> korea was at the world cup? I thought they were banned
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[23:42] <myier> I receive absolutely nothing from B-64
[23:42] <myier> it's probably still below the mountains
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[23:51] <myier> is this map still working for you? http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/
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[23:53] <Maxell> Upu: hey your PHG information is still wrong I think power 4W, antenna HAAT 390 m, gain 7 dBi omni
[23:53] <Maxell> HAAT 390m means your antenna mast is about 390 meters high
[23:54] <Maxell> It should be height above average terrain
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[23:55] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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