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[05:36] <nigelvh> Seriously, B-62 is halfway to me. Keep coming! I expect to go on a recovery for one of you guys one of these days! Make it happen!
[05:37] <nigelvh> Wait, that date is so old.
[05:37] <nigelvh> Why is that still on the map?
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[05:52] <Upu> because it may reappear
[05:52] <Upu> however it probably should have by now
[05:55] <nigelvh> Yeah, that's been a good few days now.
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[06:12] <G4MYS> What has happened to SLEET?
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[06:27] <arko> it melted
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[07:28] <UpuWork> Sleet landed in the sea G4MYS
[07:28] <UpuWork> I decided to remove it as it was over 100k points and it was crippling the tracking sites
[07:28] <UpuWork> Sp3OSJ is 2 meter only ?
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[07:31] <gonzo___> I thouight it was heading inland and was just over the coast when last seen?
[07:33] <UpuWork> should be in range of M0DTS
[07:40] <fsphil> SP3OSJ entering the fsphil challange?
[07:40] <fsphil> going for 2nd place
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[07:44] <boo> Leobodnar: Hi Leo? Why did ur B-63 had such a big loss during last night? Was it because of the deep night tempertures? Do u have any ideas?
[07:44] <LeoBodnar> -60C
[07:45] <fsphil> big loss?
[07:46] <gonzo___> what is the freq/mode for SP9OSJ?
[07:46] <boo> yeah it was dropping from 3V to 2.4V
[07:46] <fsphil> oh voltage
[07:46] <gonzo___> think I can switch 2mtrs rx remotly?
[07:46] <boo> different to the other nights before
[07:47] <LeoBodnar> yeah below -50C there is almost no life in any batteries
[07:48] <gonzo___> is there PV on that one?
[07:49] <boo> so the nights before the temp was not under -50?
[07:52] <boo> LeoBodnar: u have already used latex ballons right? They were bursting during the sunrise? But it wasn t a SP just a latex balloon?
[07:52] <boo> In the past ...
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[07:56] <LeoBodnar> Yes, I have tried latex ones
[08:07] <G4MYS> UPuwork many thanks for the info
[08:08] <UpuWork> nps
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[08:15] <fsphil> no fancy propagation anyway, no signal here
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[08:17] <mikestir-work> one of the aprs digis in norway was receiving it way below the horizon if aprs.fi is to be believed
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[08:18] <mikestir-work> what's the deal with it operating on 2m over the uk?
[08:19] <UpuWork> I suspect it will
[08:20] <UpuWork> We mentioned it last time and he assured us it wouldn't
[08:20] <fsphil> did he happen to mention if it would go dark, or switch to an ISM frequency?
[08:20] <UpuWork> however I suspect adhereing to the law may be lost in translation
[08:21] <UpuWork> hard to tell
[08:21] <mikestir-work> it seems to have gone awol, and you might have expected it to be in range of some igates in scotland
[08:21] <fsphil> or as you suspect just continue as it is
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[08:21] <UpuWork> When I asked him he say my mother was a goat and killem your laws in your face
[08:21] <UpuWork> which I think means "no problems old bean we'll comply"
[08:22] <UpuWork> he didn't I'm being silly
[08:22] <UpuWork> yay Friday
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[08:22] <fsphil> haha
[08:22] <fsphil> friday + I'm off on monday. yay long weekend
[08:22] <UpuWork> yup
[08:22] <mikestir-work> late pub lunch and poets day here I think
[08:22] <jededu> Any launches this weekend ?
[08:23] <UpuWork> yeah loads
[08:23] <jededu> Cool
[08:23] <jededu> Yours ?
[08:23] <daveake> much sun many flights
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[08:24] <UpuWork> no
[08:24] <UpuWork> are you on the mailing list jededu?
[08:24] <fsphil> much rain here
[08:24] <fsphil> no flights
[08:26] <jededu> Just checking whats your frequency daveake
[08:26] <jededu> for the weekend
[08:26] <daveake> Dunno - need to change it to avoid craag's flight I think
[08:28] <fsphil> two ssdv flights at the same time?
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[08:29] <fsphil> typically I may not be around to watch that
[08:31] <daveake> ooer :)
[08:31] <daveake> and :(
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[08:42] <LeoBodnar> Artur said he does not care [09:21] <UpuWork> hard to tell
[08:43] <UpuWork> it wouldn't suprise me
[08:43] <UpuWork> ok fine
[08:43] <UpuWork> launch the intercept fleet gentlemen
[08:43] <UpuWork> shoot it down
[08:44] <mikestir-work> wonder where it's gone then
[08:45] <UpuWork> out of range I suspect
[08:46] <UpuWork> though I bet Rob could recieve it
[08:46] <Boelle_DK> is N2X.. a tester? i just thought a HAB in the us... wtf...
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[08:47] <UpuWork> Yeah he's testing
[08:47] <UpuWork> press F5 Boelle_DK
[08:47] <UpuWork> I cleared it
[08:47] <Boelle_DK> ah
[08:47] <LeoBodnar> what's wrong with a HUB in the US?
[08:48] <Boelle_DK> nothing
[08:48] <Boelle_DK> just first time i see it
[08:48] <UpuWork> in fairness not as common
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[08:50] <craag> daveake: Mine are both non-FA NTX2Bs I'm afraid.
[08:52] <daveake> craag np all programmable here
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[08:58] <amell> wouldnt B62 have reached an igate by now if it was still afloat?
[08:59] <UpuWork> may have
[08:59] <UpuWork> may not
[08:59] <UpuWork> depends where it went
[08:59] <fsphil> it could be doing loops around deepest darkest russia
[08:59] <amell> last i saw, it was either headed for northern alaska or circling back into russia
[08:59] <fsphil> we need igates up there
[09:00] <amell> there was a very low probability of it reaching arko
[09:00] <amell> seems to me something is happening to the envelopes after 7-8 days.
[09:01] <amell> three long duration flights is killing snus performance.
[09:01] <LeoBodnar> i am sure it's still alive and laughing
[09:01] <LeoBodnar> high on Helium
[09:02] <amell> bobbing about in the bering strait more likely.
[09:02] <amell> you should put your contact details on these.
[09:02] <amell> i bet one or two would get back in touch.
[09:03] <amell> custom printed mylar? :)
[09:04] <LeoBodnar> last prediction http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/164333_trj001.gif
[09:04] <LeoBodnar> 11600m path is still over Siberia now
[09:04] <amell> interesting loop on green
[09:07] <amell> m0dts - is he aware he has an incoming
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[09:23] <Boelle_DK> any that are also in to 3D printing?
[09:27] <UpuWork> sure he'll have a look when he's home
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[09:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> ..
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[09:32] <Boelle_DK> Q---- how dificult would it be to get a HAB from the UK to land in DK or the other way round given that DK is only a fly poob on the map
[09:36] <daveake> B-63 updated just now - is that a new point?
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[09:38] <LeoBodnar> I did it twice
[09:38] <daveake> ok
[09:38] <amell> its been updating all along. aprs coverage throughout
[09:39] <amell> igates in kiev
[09:39] <daveake> ah sorry thought it was lost
[09:40] <daveake> must keep up :/
[09:40] <amell> should have igates in moscow before long
[09:41] <amell> always fun reading the aprs messages sent to the balloons
[09:41] <amell> what is COFFY? ? :)
[09:47] <gonzo___> dunno, but I'll have one if yiou have the kettle on
[09:47] <amell> speaking of which...
[09:54] <amell> looks like isee3 are going to have another go. by turning on all the tank heaters to try and gain more pressure.
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[10:00] <gonzo___> do a cryo stir, that's good for gtetting pressure up
[10:05] <amell> dont think it has stirrers
[10:06] <amell> its early 70s technology after all
[10:06] <LeoBodnar> lol
[10:07] <LeoBodnar> before going to bed preferrably
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[10:58] <mikestir-work> SP3OSJ has updated, still via that igate in norway
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[11:02] <steve_2e0vet> hi all. does anyone know if there is a "use by" date on steve's ballons
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[11:11] <amell> cant see one. Im sure it will be fine as long as it doesnt smell
[11:12] <mfa298> I'm not sure many people have them hanging around long enough to find out
[11:13] <craag> Some guys have got many-year-old (10 years or so) balloons off ebay and flown them. They tend to be less consistent with age, most bursting a little low I think, but some went strangely high.
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[11:13] <craag> Depends mostly on how they're stored I assume.
[11:13] <craag> dry+cool = best I would think
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[11:14] <mfa298> I'm guessing there may be a couple of people hoping the special H1600s improve with age.
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[11:14] <craag> hehe
[11:15] <craag> We need a balloon vintage guide on the wiki
[11:15] <amell> can anyone think of a workaround? 10K pot for a LCD contrast adjustment - i dont have one, alternatives?
[11:15] <amell> I already tried PWM output sunk into a capacitor - doesnt work
[11:16] <mattbrejza> 11K pot?
[11:16] <amell> dont have any pots...
[11:16] <nats`> 2 resistor ?
[11:16] <nats`> you basically make a voltage divider
[11:16] <amell> yes, but adjustable...
[11:16] <nats`> and if you don't care about having a fixed backlight it's fine
[11:17] <craag> amell: Might be easier if you told people what you *do* have, and we can work out a solution.
[11:17] <nats`> so in what way it didn't work with pwm ?
[11:17] <nats`> because PWM + a little RC should work
[11:17] <nats`> a RC in low pass mode obvisouly
[11:17] <nats`> obviously
[11:17] <mfa298> pwm via a transistor
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[11:18] <amell> it didnt seem to make any difference. I can see the chars in the screen through the black boxes.
[11:18] <mfa298> pwm on it's own may noy give enough current
[11:18] <nats`> mfa298 I doubt that if they use a 10k pot
[11:18] <amell> yeah, good point, will add a R and see if that helps.
[11:18] <nats`> R in serie with the pwm and cap to the ground
[11:18] <nats`> (I just precise to be sure)
[11:19] <amell> yes
[11:19] <nats`> put a 4.7k resistor
[11:19] <amell> will try that
[11:19] <nats`> calculate your C accordingly to the pwm frequency
[11:19] <nats`> and so at 50% you should have 4.7k - | - 4.7k
[11:19] <nats`> so about a pot of 10k in the middle
[11:23] <steve_2e0vet> thanks craag . I bought some about a year ago, and still havent opened the box (hope they wernt short shipped lol)
[11:23] <steve_2e0vet> anyone know of an eagle library face mounted" pots inwith 10k small "sur
[11:24] <steve_2e0vet> that should have said surface mounted pots - my keyboard is playing up
[11:25] <steve_2e0vet> i cannot find any on farnells
[11:25] <sp2ipt> of course you've looked in the pot/potentiometer library? :)
[11:26] <steve_2e0vet> this is embarrasing - no i hadnt, but just had a quick look now and cannot see any with a farnell code.
[11:27] <steve_2e0vet> i tried things like vishay and farnells library
[11:28] <mikestir-work> what are you after? a surface mount, panel mount pot?
[11:28] <sp2ipt> exact code may be a problem, just check the pad spacings and you should find something suitable
[11:28] <steve_2e0vet> as i am new to eagle, i wanted to make sure that the component i put on i could get
[11:28] <amell> lots of pot talk here. well get shut down.
[11:28] <steve_2e0vet> lol
[11:28] <steve_2e0vet> mikestir-work: surface mount
[11:28] <mikestir-work> steve_2e0vet: the usual method is to choose the component you want and draw its footprint if necessary
[11:29] <steve_2e0vet> thats what i think i might have to do
[11:29] <adamgreig> drawing the footprint isn't that difficult
[11:29] <mikestir-work> just a surface mount trimmer, or with a shaft?
[11:29] <steve_2e0vet> just SMD no shaft
[11:30] <steve_2e0vet> I wouldnt know ehere to start with drawing a foot print - maybe youtube is a good place lol
[11:30] <sp2ipt> adamgreig: no, it's quite easy - there are tutorials on the web
[11:30] <Boelle_DK> steve_2e0vet: start with open new library
[11:30] <Boelle_DK> steve_2e0vet: then draw the symbol
[11:31] <mikestir-work> or in this case don't draw the symbol, since it's a pot and therefore already drawn
[11:31] <Boelle_DK> steve_2e0vet: and then the device... lastly yo connect the pins on symbol to the device
[11:31] <Boelle_DK> yep...
[11:31] <sp2ipt> I'd steal teh symbol from a lib, no need to draw :)
[11:31] <steve_2e0vet> lol
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[11:31] <Boelle_DK> steal from the other libs
[11:31] <Boelle_DK> maybe the device is also there allready
[11:31] <mattbrejza> id be suprised if eagle doesnt have the part already, theyre pretty generic
[11:31] <Boelle_DK> or can be modded easy
[11:32] <steve_2e0vet> it probably is, i think i will look for a device first as someone mentioned
[11:32] <sp2ipt> steve_2e0vet: first just check the datasheet for your pot and look at pad spacing. Dig through the elements in the library and chances are you'll find something suitable
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[11:32] <Boelle_DK> steve... have any data on it?
[11:33] <Boelle_DK> can look it up for you
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[11:33] <Boelle_DK> if not i can help you make the part
[11:33] <Boelle_DK> should not take long
[11:33] <steve_2e0vet> no - i just want a 10k trimmer
[11:33] <Boelle_DK> yes but it must have a brand etc?
[11:34] <steve_2e0vet> ive got about 500 of them in the workshop, but they are from china hence no name
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[11:34] <sp2ipt> steve_2e0vet: so just experiment - add some to the PCB, print it on printer and lay the pot on the printout - you'll see if it fits :)
[11:35] <mikestir-work> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=202462+110264549+110190129+110135389&No=25&Ns=P_PRICE_FARNELL_UK%7C0&suppressRedirect=true&locale=en_UK&appliedparametrics=true&getResults=true&originalQueryURL=/jsp/search/browse.jsp%3FN%3D202462%26No%3D0%26getResults%3Dtrue%26appliedparametrics%3Dtrue%26locale%3Den_UK%26divisionLocale%3Den_UK%26catalogId%3D%26skipManufacturer%3Dfalse%26skipParametricAttributeId%3D%26prevNValues%3D202462
[11:35] <sp2ipt> probably the dirtiest bu the quickest way
[11:35] <mikestir-work> whoops that was longer than I expected
[11:35] <steve_2e0vet> this is what i have http://www.littlebluepigs.com/10-x-10k-ohm-horizontal-trimpot-trimmer-variable-resistor-potentiometer.html
[11:35] <mikestir-work> see if it looks like any of those in the farnell search
[11:36] <steve_2e0vet> mikestir-work: thanks for that, i'll take a look
[11:36] <mikestir-work> those ones you linked to look like through hole to me
[11:36] <mattbrejza> steve_2e0vet: the library pot->TRIM_EU- will have the right part
[11:36] <mattbrejza> just need to work out which one :P
[11:36] <mattbrejza> out with the calibers etc
[11:37] <Boelle_DK> steve.... there are loads of trimmers in eagle... but they do not come up if you search for trim or trimmer
[11:37] <Boelle_DK> they are hidden with resistors
[11:37] <mattbrejza> search for *trim*
[11:37] <steve_2e0vet> yeah the search facility is frustrating
[11:37] <mattbrejza> not trim
[11:37] <steve_2e0vet> argh!!!
[11:37] <fsphil> sorta on topic, this is kinda cool: http://aprs.mountainlake.k12.mn.us/
[11:37] <fsphil> propagation measured using aprs-is
[11:38] <Boelle_DK> i just searched for resistor... they are under the folder R-TRIMM
[11:38] <Boelle_DK> note double M
[11:38] <amell> http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/test-equipment/dso-nano-oscilloscope-v3 - sweet, anyone have one of these? any good?
[11:38] <steve_2e0vet> *trim* brings back loads
[11:39] <Boelle_DK> yep... as you select them they show up with footprint...
[11:39] <Boelle_DK> pick what comes most close to...
[11:39] <Boelle_DK> print on paper and check
[11:39] <Boelle_DK> adjust the part as needed :_D
[11:39] <steve_2e0vet> Boelle_DK: thanks for the "print on paper" tip
[11:40] <Boelle_DK> thank sp2ipt for that one :-D
[11:40] <sp2ipt> amell: look at analog bandwidth. I wouldn't spend money on it :)
[11:40] <steve_2e0vet> thanks sp2ipt lol
[11:40] <Boelle_DK> but and a caliper is a great tool here
[11:40] <Boelle_DK> strike and there
[11:40] <amell> sp2ipt: i was deluded by the good looks. ta.
[11:40] <Boelle_DK> but well you get the drift....
[11:41] <sp2ipt> steve_2e0vet: no problem, it's just a dirty hack ;)
[11:41] <sp2ipt> amell: looks nicely but probably you'll find a chineese scople a little biger but in the range of 10MHz
[11:42] <sp2ipt> the best thing would be to get the datasheet and do it the right way. Life would be much easier if we could do everything correctly :D
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> ..
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> ..
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[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> ..
[11:47] <steve_2e0vet> anyone used Op-Amps in eagle?
[11:47] <sp2ipt> llooking for supply lines? ;)
[11:47] <steve_2e0vet> yes lol
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[11:48] <sp2ipt> if you name the nets vcc / vdd (or just connect their symbol from v-supply (or somethingl ike that) it will automagically connect the needed pads
[11:49] <sp2ipt> if you need to finetune it manually there's a command called invoke - it shows the 'hidden' parts
[11:49] <steve_2e0vet> i guess i will notice that when i go into the board
[11:49] <sp2ipt> yes
[11:49] <mikestir-work> it should warn you about unconnected power supplies when you do DRC (if your parts are built properly)
[11:50] <steve_2e0vet> i could of got someonme in india to do the whole thing for $50, at this rate my hourly rate will be $1
[11:51] <steve_2e0vet> but obviously not as much fun
[11:51] <steve_2e0vet> or stress
[11:52] <sp2ipt> right you are, soon you'll realise that making an even simple board takes *a*lot* of time :)
[11:52] <Laurenceb_> SP3OSJ passes 6 days :D
[11:52] <amell> is Leo getting worried?
[11:54] <amell> Impressive range from LD4NB
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[11:57] <Laurenceb_> going to beat B-12 soon
[12:00] <Laurenceb_> it should be in range of UPU
[12:00] <UpuWork> hmm ?
[12:00] <Laurenceb_> SP3OSJ
[12:01] <UpuWork> not quite
[12:01] <UpuWork> and I don't have 2 meter set up
[12:01] <UpuWork> BECAUSE OF THE LAW
[12:03] <mattbrejza> itll start hitting igates soon?
[12:03] <Laurenceb_> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/193691_trj001.gif
[12:03] <Laurenceb_> lolz
[12:04] <Laurenceb_> its going in the wrong direction
[12:04] <mattbrejza> oh it is
[12:05] <steve_2e0vet> how do you add just a solder pad in eagle?
[12:05] <sp2ipt> wirepad library
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[12:06] <sp2ipt> if you just want a pad for soldering wire. If you want to modify an element you'll have to edit it in the lib
[12:07] <steve_2e0vet> just want to solder a wire to it, obvious I want the pad connected to something on the board
[12:07] <steve_2e0vet> as its wire maybe a through hole pad would be better
[12:09] <UpuWork> still getting pinged by Norway
[12:09] <UpuWork> strange nothing in the UK Has it yet
[12:09] <Maxell> UpuWork: THE LAW? what does it prevent from you doing? :(
[12:10] <UpuWork> many things
[12:10] <Maxell> Antenna mast height?
[12:10] <UpuWork> flying amateur radio in the air over the UK
[12:10] <UpuWork> I'll need to switch antennas
[12:10] <Maxell> Yes but RXing is not?!
[12:10] <UpuWork> RX is fine
[12:10] <UpuWork> but thats TXing
[12:10] <UpuWork> I was being silly
[12:11] <Maxell> well, ok
[12:11] <Maxell> Yep wonder why no single iGate heard it the last 20 minds...
[12:11] <UpuWork> I could point a 70cms yagi at it
[12:11] <UpuWork> but doubt its going to do much on 2 meters
[12:12] <Laurenceb_> B-63 hit moscow
[12:13] <Maxell> Laurenceb_: nice, packet-loss-less handover
[12:13] <amell> Upuwork: how do you know its trying APRS in the UK
[12:13] <UpuWork> actually its going to do nothing as there is a habamp on there
[12:13] <UpuWork> I don't amell
[12:13] <UpuWork> but I doubt its going to switch off
[12:14] <amell> are you going to report it&.
[12:14] <UpuWork> don't be silly
[12:14] <UpuWork> physics doesn't care about the laws so why should I ?
[12:15] <UpuWork> silly laws anyway
[12:15] <amell> yes. it will be useful to know if it works well, and what the issues might be in any case.
[12:16] <amell> m0dts should be getting it by now
[12:29] <Maxell> Laurenceb_: using this setup I presume https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIpgANdhMZY
[12:32] <Maxell> amell: might be some 2 meter ducts preventing UK igates from picking it up
[12:32] <Maxell> looks like the other side of the lake did one RX tho
[12:33] <Maxell> APRS station M0XER-3 Comment: 6W
[12:33] <Maxell> going QRO? ;_
[12:33] <Maxell> ;)
[12:35] <UpuWork> I like all the messages people send
[12:35] <UpuWork> http://aprs.fi/?c=message&call=M0XER-3
[12:35] <UpuWork> http://aprs.fi/?c=message&call=M0XER-2&limit=50
[12:35] <UpuWork> http://aprs.fi/?c=message&call=SP3OSJ-12&limit=50
[12:37] <Laurenceb_> nice antenni mount
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[12:38] <mattbrejza> so these are messages that people transmit via aprs to the balloon, and also get picked up by an igate and logged on aprs.fi?
[12:38] <UpuWork> yeah
[12:38] <Laurenceb_> COFFY?
[12:46] <Maxell> mattbrejza: and that happens quickly
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[12:59] <on4bhm> i'm looking for the lightest possible solar panel
[12:59] <on4bhm> can anyone point me into the correct direction?
[12:59] <on4bhm> i may only weight a couple of grams
[12:59] <UpuWork> powerfilm
[13:00] <UpuWork> http://www.powerfilmsolar.com/
[13:00] <UpuWork> http://www.powerfilmsolar.com/products/oem-comparison-chart/
[13:01] <jiffe98> I picked up a few of those off amazon, seem to work pretty well
[13:01] <on4bhm> do we all use these?
[13:02] <on4bhm> what voltage should i use to charge a 3.7v lippo?
[13:03] <aadamson> couple notes on powerfilms
[13:03] <aadamson> they will not work - correctly with the spv1040
[13:03] <aadamson> and they weigh more than crystal cells
[13:03] <aadamson> 2gr for 2 1x3 inch crystal cells will generate 1A of .5v
[13:04] <on4bhm> what is spv1040?
[13:04] <aadamson> 2 of the small powerfilms will generate 3v at about 3-4gr, but only about .3A
[13:04] <UpuWork> generate 1A of 0.5V until you breathe on them
[13:04] <UpuWork> at which point they disintegrate
[13:04] <aadamson> this is indeed true :)
[13:05] <aadamson> the powerfilms have that going for them, but their wattage is extremely low compared to crystal cells
[13:05] <aadamson> and I worked with PF to see if we could make them work on the spv and we/they were never able
[13:05] <aadamson> *oh, they work*, just not great
[13:05] <on4bhm> any other source?
[13:06] <aadamson> nope, not for light weight
[13:06] <aadamson> ebay has lots of crystal cells in different sizes
[13:06] <craag> article on the latest BALYOLO flight: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/11/stratobeer_mission/
[13:09] <aadamson> Upu, btw, nice job of the PITS... a few folks over this way are probably going to pick some up when readily avail.
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[13:10] <aadamson> Laurenceb_, you ever clicked the GIS output options on hysplit (I'm assuming you use the web version - which is where I'm referencing)
[13:11] <aadamson> if you do, you get an interactive google map with moveable animation timeline
[13:14] <LeoBodnar> bollox [14:03] <aadamson> they will not work - correctly with the spv1040
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[13:16] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, I said they work, just not well
[13:17] <LeoBodnar> don't pass your experience for facts
[13:18] <LeoBodnar> they work wonderfully with SPV1040
[13:18] <on4bhm> leo: what sollar cells do you use?
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[13:19] <aadamson> glad they worked for you. They didn't for me and I tried 3 different PF cells
[13:20] <LeoBodnar> i have used Powerfilm, monocrystalline, polycrystalline bare panels, IXYS panels
[13:20] <LeoBodnar> maybe your MPPT design is wrong aadamson
[13:21] <aadamson> you've seen it, it's the same as yours according to you
[13:21] <aadamson> it's the box stock reference design
[13:21] <LeoBodnar> it's only same as mine according to you, not me
[13:22] <aadamson> ok, well, that's what you told me when I had you look at my schematic, so I only had that as a reference
[13:22] <LeoBodnar> so you should have said "PF panels don't work on my copy of Leo's design"
[13:22] <aadamson> I have no idea how to know if it's your design or not
[13:22] <aadamson> all I know is it's the reference design
[13:23] <aadamson> and I've comparied to UPU's version as well, which he shared with me
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[13:23] <LeoBodnar> duh!
[13:24] <LeoBodnar> ask Upu where his reference has come from
[13:24] <aadamson> wouldn't surprise me
[13:24] <aadamson> anyway, I couldn't make the PF panels work as well as the crystal ones
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[13:25] <LeoBodnar> so maybe you should not dispense the opinion passed as knowledge
[13:26] <LeoBodnar> PF is respectable company ind makes great product
[13:27] <LeoBodnar> nothing beats monocrystalline bare panel but PF is way more practical if you have spare free lift
[13:29] <aadamson> thanks I'll go back into my corner now... :) BTW, noticed your envelop weight was 63gr or some such on arhab listing, how big are you flying now?
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[13:33] <LeoBodnar> it's a 63g envelope, what can say? :D
[13:33] <LeoBodnar> I
[13:34] <aadamson> indeed
[13:36] <aadamson> have you gone to a multi gore style yet, or still just 2 sides?
[13:36] <nats`> aadamson put an used alkaline battery
[13:36] <nats`> + voltage divider in place of the solar panel
[13:37] <nats`> and first check if it works that way
[13:37] <nats`> remember your TI design
[13:37] <nats`> failed to layout it corectly
[13:37] <nats`> maybe same here on spv
[13:38] <LeoBodnar> my designs are secret for now
[13:38] <craag> daveake: FYI I may be flying a tracker on 434.613 MHz (replacing mine on 434.125)
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[13:57] <daveake> s'ok I changed it already :)
[13:58] <craag> Ok, just letting you know incase you decide to strap another 5 or so trackers onto yours. for lolz. ;)
[13:59] <daveake> haha
[13:59] <daveake> Leo just reminded me that .500 is also reserved :p
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[14:06] <Maxell> .500 is always reserved
[14:07] <fsphil> the leo band
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[14:08] <LeoBodnar> a line more like
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[14:34] <amell> gee. didnt know B balloon envelope design is secret now.
[14:34] <amell> if i manage to capture a B, does that mean i cant publish the envelope?
[14:34] <amell> one did come tantalisingly close the other week...
[14:34] <nats`> buy a rifle and shot them :D
[14:35] <amell> well, one was in the hedge next to the A14, very close to here&
[14:35] <es5nhc> Anything heard from SP3OSJ?
[14:35] <es5nhc> It's persistence has been impressive
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[14:37] <amell> Upu: you cant hear rtty from SP3OSJ? thought it would be in your range by now.
[14:37] <Maxell> damn uk igates/digipeaters suck :P
[14:38] <amell> well, i dont know. its interesting that it can be heard in norway but not here
[14:38] <es5nhc> Last reception was 1h 20m ago... per aprs.fi
[14:38] <Maxell> yep, in Norway...
[14:38] <es5nhc> Maybe UK systems think the altitude is erroneous given its verboten in UK?
[14:38] <amell> actually. looking at terrain for the mast.
[14:39] <amell> its very high up& thats why its way over the horizon
[14:39] <Maxell> Or might even be some magic condx :P
[14:39] <es5nhc> Anybody knows any hams sailing at the North Sea? LOL :P
[14:40] <Maxell> es5nhc: well not igating it pretty mean...
[14:40] <amell> Id be surprised if there are no hams on the oil rigs.
[14:41] <Maxell> es5nhc: doing altitude checking before digipeating sounds plausible, however I have never seen such feature documented
[14:42] <es5nhc> True
[14:43] <es5nhc> But quite nice that SP3OSJ has stuck around so long. Must be warm weather
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[14:45] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: after 24 uur we can decode him
[14:46] <Herman-PB0AHX> he is very very slow
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[14:52] <Boelle_DK> yaaaaaa. SDR dongle here
[14:52] <Boelle_DK> now just one ant. short
[14:55] <amell> we are overcome with joy for you
[14:55] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: it is been almost one and a half hour without any new APRS packets.
[14:55] <Maxell> I wonder why UK igates don't pick it's signal up
[14:55] <Boelle_DK> well i will try and make my own colinair out of ant. cable
[14:55] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: but yes looks like it will float south again
[14:56] <Boelle_DK> but out... need to clean up a bit arround here
[14:57] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: let we hope we can writing sommeting like jan djr yesterday
[14:58] <Herman-PB0AHX> i instal by jan a dl-fldigi-hab
[14:58] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: ok so he will also keep an eye on HABs next time?
[14:59] <Maxell> However might take a while for HABs reach up northeast there
[14:59] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes he like it yesterday
[14:59] <Maxell> Nice!
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[15:28] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: Updated 434MHz freqs for Gilwell Park balloon flights July 12/13 http://t.co/Meyz44wj9B #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas @STEMNET @EssexHam
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[15:32] <Boelle_DK> so i got the dongle connected... and the waterfall running... am i right in that even thou i can pick flights from server they will only pop up in callsign etc if they are decoded ?
[15:34] <Maxell> Boelle_DK: uh?
[15:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> You will see the data beng displayed in the text area
[15:34] <Boelle_DK> yeah sorry if i sound confusing
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[15:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> only if it decodes successfully will it transfer it to the data area of fields and send it up to Habitat
[15:34] <Maxell> Boelle_DK: as soon as you recieve 100% correct data (correct checksum) the telemetry bar will update and become green
[15:34] <Boelle_DK> its the white box's with callsign... time. checksum etc
[15:35] <Maxell> This data will be uploaded to the habitat database.
[15:35] <Boelle_DK> so if it does not decode anything those box's will stay empty?
[15:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes, when its receiving data it will normally show rubbish in the text area, then partial decodes, then when callsign is Rx it will put the line in the data area but red as its
[15:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> got errors then on a full decode it will go Green
[15:37] <Boelle_DK> oki... then i understand it right... was unsure if i have set it right
[15:37] <Boelle_DK> now the mac version could be improved by allowing full screen
[15:37] <Boelle_DK> thou sure not need it
[15:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> You will probably need to show a ouple of screen captures to get it right the first time
[15:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> *couple
[15:38] <mfa298> Boelle_DK: no verions of dl-fldigi do full screen
[15:39] <Boelle_DK> oki...
[15:39] <Boelle_DK> leaves space for chat windows when out the field
[15:39] <Boelle_DK> so will get these screen caps done
[15:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Best to wait until your seeing a signal in the w/f but can't decode, its normally setting the bandwidth or turning off squelch and silly things like that
[15:41] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[15:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Best to wait until your seeing a signal in the w/f but can't decode, its normally setting the bandwidth or
[15:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> ah I wondered what happend i was delayed!
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[15:46] <Boelle_DK> hehe.... smells like homemade pizza here
[15:47] <Boelle_DK> what screen caps are the most important to veryfy settings are right?
[15:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> The whole screen whilst receiving the signal that won't decode
[15:48] <Boelle_DK> oh...
[15:49] <Boelle_DK> will not be before tomorrow at least... also need to solder on plugs for hab amp... was more worried about my settings thou the guide is very clear
[15:49] <Adam012> Hi, having a problem with a tracker. It's fed on 3.3V but the shift is >1000!
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[15:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> The usual problems are setting the right Mode - USB for most flights, getting the signal level correct - the blck/green/red diomand lower right
[15:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> squelch OFF
[15:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> only other thing is the actual Rx bandwidth, right click the RTTY in the lowewr left to pull up the
[15:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> menu and then select the slider for a wider bandwidth rather than Auto.
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[15:55] <Adam012> Okay, none of the above affects the separation of the outputs in the waterfall
[15:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> ?
[15:56] <craag> Adam012: I think he was speaking to Boelle. Are you using PWM?
[15:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed
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[16:00] <Adam012> @craag I just worked that one out. I'm not using PWM, it's the old method with resistors.
[16:01] <craag> Ah ok, sounds like your resistor values are a bit off then, or not connected properly.
[16:01] <mattbrejza> so what is the voltage at tx for a 1 and 0?
[16:02] <Adam012> Seems to vary from 1-3.25
[16:02] <mattbrejza> yea so thats much more than you would expect
[16:04] <Adam012> Hmm, I'm using two 4.7k and one 20k
[16:04] <Adam012> What was on the old diagram?
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[16:06] <mattbrejza> look at the pages history on the wiki
[16:06] <mattbrejza> although its just a case of increasing the 20K
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[16:07] <craag> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2?rev=1369151457
[16:07] <daveake> 20k into 4k7 / 4k7 can't give you that voltage shift
[16:07] <craag> even with 20K, you shouldn't be getting those voltages
[16:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2?rev=1381045698
[16:08] <Adam012> Found it. Yup. At some point I must have changed the value on my old plans. Damn. Oh well, at least it is an easy fix. Thanks!
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[16:34] <craag> ping cm13g09
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[17:23] <jededu> I might send somthing up at the weekend Is 434.525 free for Sat/Sun
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[17:25] <jededu> Thats better I might send somthing up at the weekend Is 434.525 free for Sat/Sun
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[17:46] <Adam012> Is there anyone available who could approve a launch doc please?
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[17:47] <Adam012> The flight doc is: 397d63d5f84aa2aecb1fd547a8e74ab5
[17:47] <fsphil> best to mention in #habhub .. even if nobody is about right now they'll usually see it
[17:47] <jededu> try asking on #habhub
[17:47] <fsphil> when they get back
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[17:50] <Adam012> Thanks, I've posted it and I'll give it a few minutes. If there is noone about I'll pop back online later. Nearly all set for tomorrow, time for a bit of dinner.
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[18:24] <jededu> I might send somthing up at the weekend Is 434.525 free for Sat/Sun
[18:25] <Upu> I'd check the mailing list
[18:25] <jededu> I have has daveake posted frequency yet
[18:26] <jededu> Just refreshed it I have the info
[18:26] <fsphil> the eyes in the sky weekend
[18:27] <daveake> The "nobody left to track" weekend
[18:27] <LeoBodnar> YOLOesque
[18:27] <fsphil> omg434mhz
[18:28] <fsphil> the day the earth couldn't open their cars
[18:28] <daveake> haha
[18:28] <qyx_> lol
[18:28] <bertrik> "99 luftballons" ?
[18:32] <cm13g09> bertrik: What happened last time somebody said that :P
[18:33] <cm13g09> we ended up with the channel singing it I think!
[18:33] <bertrik> :)
[18:34] <cm13g09> I'm doing rather more down-to-earth things with 433MHz
[18:40] <kpiman> anybody see SP3OSJ ?
[18:40] <Upu> its only on 2 meters
[18:40] <Upu> and I don't have a directional antenna for that
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[18:41] <cm13g09> I wasn't aware that we could put buildings on the internet......
[18:41] <cm13g09> clearly we can!
[18:41] <kpiman> I can see it (I think) but not good with my antenna
[18:47] <Upu> oh Rob's got it
[18:49] <amell> is m0dts using 2m?
[18:49] <Upu> I suspect so given thats the telemetry thats coming in
[18:50] <kpiman> getting partial with no line of sight
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[18:50] <amell> Rob_m0dts: congratulations, is this on 2m?
[18:51] <Rob_m0dts> amell: yes 144.700, forgot to listen earlier!
[18:51] <Upu> I'll try the colinear
[18:51] <amell> Rob_m0dts: I come from Guisborough :)
[18:51] <Rob_m0dts> S5 here on 9element near vertical yagi
[18:52] <Rob_m0dts> amell: ah very local then, Guisborough hill probablyt in the way to the north sea here
[18:54] <Rob_m0dts> i had to put antennas right up to a measly 35ft get over the 50ft trees to my east.
[18:56] <amell> Rob_m0dts: do you have aprs igate?
[18:58] <Herman-PB0AHX> pffffffff SP3OSJ is so slow hihihihihihi
[18:58] <Rob_m0dts> amell: not setup for aprs but TS2000 does it if i can wire up...
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[19:01] <Rob_m0dts> there's two igates it should see, one in Peterlee and one up near newcastle
[19:02] <amell> puzzled as to why its not.
[19:02] <amell> wondering if its actually sending aprs
[19:02] <Rob_m0dts> they must have poor receivers
[19:02] <Rob_m0dts> i will setup aprs and see
[19:03] <Upu> may be quite low powered
[19:03] <Upu> and the APRS is FM
[19:03] <Upu> I couldn't recieve Leo's until I pointed a yagi at it
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[19:08] <Herman-PB0AHX> SP3OSJ wil not comming to the netherlands now he is going to the west grgrgrgrgr
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[19:15] <Rob_m0dts> Upu: i see ypur pings via iagte :-)
[19:15] <Rob_m0dts> *igate even
[19:16] <Upu> pings ?
[19:16] <Rob_m0dts> well repeats
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[19:16] <Upu> yup
[19:16] <Upu> its antenna is unplugged atm
[19:16] <Upu> in the FCD to see if I can see this RTTY
[19:16] <Rob_m0dts> aha
[19:18] <Rob_m0dts> MB7USD at Richmond should hear it, seems like it has a good view to the east.
[19:20] <Rob_m0dts> i hear quite a few weak packet signals but none of them decoding.
[19:21] <amell> is packet signals on same freq as rtty?
[19:22] <Rob_m0dts> no, 144.800
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[19:23] <amell> so hes jumping between 144.8 and 144.7 in turn?
[19:23] <Rob_m0dts> i guess so, i'm assuming APRS will not be quite as regular
[19:25] <Rob_m0dts> i'l leave it on ryyt for now, no aprs decodes. bbl
[19:26] <Rob_m0dts> cant type today rtty
[19:28] <amell> is 434.300 free this weekend? i lost track of all the balloons
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[19:33] <Boelle_DK> let me check if allowed
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[19:35] <Boelle_DK> 2 planned launches.... hadfield and super1... not sure on freq
[19:36] <Boelle_DK> hadfield: 434.35MHz USB RTTY 50 baud 700Hz shift ASCII-7 no parity 2 stop bits
[19:36] <Boelle_DK> super1
[19:36] <Boelle_DK> Payloads:
[19:36] <Boelle_DK> UAD
[19:36] <Boelle_DK> 434.48MHz USB DominoEX 22
[19:36] <Boelle_DK>
[19:36] <Boelle_DK> UAR
[19:36] <Boelle_DK> 434.46MHz USB RTTY 50 baud 425Hz shift ASCII-7 no parity 2 stop bits
[19:36] <Boelle_DK>
[19:37] <Boelle_DK> SUPER
[19:37] <Boelle_DK> 434.5MHz USB RTTY 300 baud 880Hz shift ASCII-8 no parity 2 stop bits
[19:40] <Boelle_DK> got it from the calendar: http://habitat.habhub.org/calendar/
[19:41] <mattbrejza> there are two more sent to the mailing list
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[19:44] <Boelle_DK> but not approved or how does it work?
[19:50] <amell> looks like .300 might be ok then
[19:50] <LeoBodnar> Steve: I'm planning to launch XABEN75 sometime this weekend: bagsie 434.250MHz & 434.300MHz
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[19:51] <LeoBodnar> "Hope to launch about 11:00."
[19:51] <chrisstubbs> One day amell :P
[19:52] <amell> chrisstubbs: sunday is ideal :(
[19:52] <amell> actually from the other channel looks like the xaben75 is saturday.
[19:52] <amell> so sunday will be ok
[19:52] <chrisstubbs> LeoBodnar I wonder if you can help. I was having a play about with upus domino code for the NTX2B via PWM. It looks like domino on the waterfall and sounds like it, but I cant get it to decode
[19:52] <Aerospar_> Anyone know if OSHpark allows cancellations
[19:53] <Aerospar_> I made some pretty bad mistakes on my first PCB design :(
[19:53] <LeoBodnar> i know it did work as he launched it a few times
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[19:53] <LeoBodnar> did you check the spectrum width?
[19:54] <db_g6gzh> MB7TN heard SP3OSJ-12
[19:54] <LeoBodnar> fire up fldigi and send something in Domino from fldigi to dl-fldigi for comparison
[19:54] <amell> chrisstubbs: sunday late afternoon is in your direction
[19:55] <chrisstubbs> Cool :) I should be able to arrange to be around if you go for it. How in my direction? :P
[19:55] <chrisstubbs> I will give that a go now Leo, cheers
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> B-63 battery Temp: -61.400 C
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> gah!
[19:56] <chrisstubbs> Whats the best way to measure the tone spacing just for comparison?
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> send the side ones and measure them with some audio analysis software
[19:56] <amell> chrisstubbs: slow wind. probably get to stansted if lucky, and not a floater
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> or with dl-fldigi
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> it's good to 1Hz
[20:00] <SA6BSS> LeoBodnar: yeah just saw that, coldest ever? cant remember anything below-57
[20:01] <mfa298> if only I had another FCD or two for all these flights ...
[20:02] <mfa298> seems like there won't be many people not launching something
[20:02] <cm13g09> evening mfa298
[20:02] <cm13g09> apologies for being invisible for the last week or two
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[20:03] <Aerospar_> lookin for some expert feedback on my HAB/Rockoon PCB design :p http://gerblook.org/pcb/TpXTxb6YPDuSioVzdVrWgi
[20:03] <Laurenceb> did someone say rockoon?!
[20:04] <Laurenceb> protip: relays are horrible and heavy
[20:05] <Aerospar_> yeah, i'm working on launching one this summer
[20:05] <qyx_> Aerospar_: place some vias at least around antenna connector
[20:05] <qyx_> to avoid top copper floating
[20:05] <Laurenceb> Aerospar_: what launch altitude?
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[20:06] <Aerospar_> qyx_: will do, thanks. But what is copper floating :p?
[20:06] <qyx_> you have connected top&bottom using few vias only
[20:07] <mattbrejza> Laurenceb: http://uk.farnell.com/te-connectivity-axicom/im01gr/relay-smd-dpdt-3vdc-2a/dp/1326157
[20:07] <Aerospar_> Laurenceb: 70,000 ft to test the systems, then if everything goes smooth and everything fits in the nosecone 100,000 ft
[20:07] <mattbrejza> those ones are cute
[20:07] <Laurenceb> yeah i meant generally
[20:07] <qyx_> Aerospar_: like this http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/images/appnotes/4636/4636Fig10.gif
[20:08] <Laurenceb> Aerospar_: thats pretty high
[20:08] <Laurenceb> how are you going to stabilise it at those kind of air densities?
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[20:12] <Aerospar_> qyx_: thanks, that makes a bit more sense
[20:14] <Aerospar_> Laurenceb: The goal this summer is to just open source the base technology (tracking, and ignition) for rockoons and hopefully set some sort of amateur altitude record.
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[20:15] <Laurenceb> those are the easy bits
[20:15] <Aerospar_> haha yep
[20:15] <Laurenceb> well - ignition not quite so much
[20:15] <Aerospar_> baby steps :p
[20:15] <Laurenceb> but at least its been demonstrated
[20:15] <Laurenceb> stable flight is the hard bit
[20:15] <Laurenceb> fins dont work
[20:16] <Aerospar_> well it just needs a gimballed motor, which has also been demonstrated
[20:16] <Laurenceb> just...
[20:16] <Laurenceb> demonstrated on the ground with unlimited mass budget
[20:17] <mattbrejza> Aerospar_: http://gerblook.org/pcb/TpXTxb6YPDuSioVzdVrWgi#back out of all the places to put one out of two back tracks...
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[20:17] <Aerospar_> Yeah I don't know if rockoons will ever take off anyways, just doing it for fun
[20:18] <amell> did i hear the word rockoon?
[20:18] <Aerospar_> it sure gets people exicted though haha
[20:18] <amell> so, what rocket motor are you using?
[20:18] <Aerospar_> mattbrejza: is that a bad place to put it?
[20:19] <mattbrejza> under the antenna trace?
[20:19] <mattbrejza> couldnt be worse
[20:19] <Aerospar_> damnit
[20:19] <Aerospar_> thanks for the tip
[20:20] <Aerospar_> amell: Just a small b or c for the first launch to test ignition, then probably a J
[20:21] <amell> J will be AP, B/C will be BP - not sure you can compare them
[20:21] <Aerospar_> I had one test last summer, set the ignition to 70,000 ft and the stupid balloon burst at ~69,500 ft no joke
[20:21] <Aerospar_> hmm
[20:22] <amell> main challenge seems to be ignition in the cold of near space.
[20:22] <amell> does the rocket have a camera?
[20:22] <amell> dual trackers?
[20:23] <Aerospar_> For the first launch just a gopro on the payload and no tracker on the small rocket, that's why I was going with a baby rocket
[20:24] <amell> oh, so rocket disposable for first launch. cool
[20:24] <Aerospar_> then turn the payload into the rocket itself for the second one
[20:24] <db_g6gzh> hmm, SP3OSJ going away again
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[20:24] <amell> that will be interesting. cutaway of the balloon etc?
[20:24] <LeoBodnar> isn't vacuum a bigger problem for ignition than temperature?
[20:25] <Aerospar_> yeah Leo, it's the pressure
[20:25] <Aerospar_> we found that out last summer.. but hermetic seals are the way to go
[20:25] <LeoBodnar> ok
[20:25] <Aerospar_> i read some NASA paper on it
[20:25] <Aerospar_> thats basically all they did
[20:26] <amell> hermetic seals where?
[20:26] <Laurenceb> in the throat or somewhere
[20:26] <Aerospar_> yeah
[20:26] <Laurenceb> anywhere to seal in the propellant
[20:26] <Laurenceb> so pressure can build up from the igniter
[20:27] <amell> if its a CTI casing youre using? seals at both ends.
[20:27] <Laurenceb> no
[20:27] <amell> id be a bit concerned about the casing blowing up if the seals are too tight
[20:27] <Laurenceb> your not following
[20:27] <Laurenceb> seal _inside_ the nozzle
[20:28] <LeoBodnar> block the nozzle
[20:28] <amell> what about teh other end?
[20:28] <amell> where the delay grain is
[20:28] <Aerospar_> I tested it on a C motor by just loading epoxy around the motor nozzle and as soon as you light the igniter it blows right through the seal
[20:28] <LeoBodnar> hehe
[20:28] <LeoBodnar> vids?
[20:28] <Laurenceb> thats one way to do it
[20:28] <Laurenceb> heh
[20:28] <amell> yes, i understand that would work for BP engines.
[20:28] <amell> I not so sure about AP
[20:28] <Aerospar_> umm not sure if i have vids but i'll check lol
[20:31] <Aerospar_> naw
[20:31] <Aerospar_> but i did find this
[20:31] <Aerospar_> http://imgur.com/JSns7sd
[20:31] <Aerospar_> trying to find a lightweight launch plate, my buddy lent his "NASA Space tile" that he bought at a NASA gift shop.. blew right through it haha
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[20:32] <LeoBodnar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrMFPUVwDKQ
[20:33] Nick change: jarod_ -> jarod
[20:33] <amell> Leobodnar: no video there?
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[20:36] <steve_2e0vet> anyone know of an arduino IRC channel ehere I wont get slated for asking what is probably a very simple question?
[20:36] <amell> These are fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BvGQ4ju0c8&index=8&list=UUrxb8LnO3fEHGIaKewxiWow
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[20:39] <PB0NER_ipad> I might be overlooking things but in Leo's announcements there is RSID , anyone with a link on how this works?
[20:39] <Aerospar_> alright hows that look http://gerblook.org/pcb/zcn9QVDPYTYeNjxEHbrNkm
[20:40] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: Amateur radio society receives award #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas http://t.co/Na5XtXgwJj
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[20:41] <Aerospar_> Laurenceb: you mentioned relays are heavy, any alternatives?
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[20:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> If you have room to move that last track change to going round the outside of the board to the socket, you wouldn't need any tracks on the rear at all.
[20:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> that would leave the back plane as a nice earth plane with plenty more vias to link it to the top surface.
[20:43] <PB0NER_ipad> hmm, relay... what do you want to switch on/off .... I do a lot with very small FETs
[20:45] <Aerospar_> Geoff-G8DHE: ah I see, good call
[20:46] <Aerospar_> yeah that works
[20:47] <Aerospar_> so since there is only one layer, is there even a need to have vias over the board?
[20:47] <Aerospar_> or would having just one via be enough
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[20:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> No for RF around the ublox you want plenty of vias, iw ould have a lot mor than you do ;-)
[20:49] Nick change: craag -> craag_Phil_M0DNY
[20:49] <PB0NER_ipad> I agree with geoff!
[20:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> certainly one each side of the aerial connection at least to ensure that the ground is the same on each side at RF.
[20:50] <qyx_> thats the thing i said, you shouldn't have any sharp edge of ground "floating"
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[20:50] <qyx_> you should place a via at least on copper pour edges
[20:50] <qyx_> and near decoupling capacitors
[20:52] <PB0NER_ipad> oops.. ran out of battery ... and I have no rich client on my imac... brb
[20:52] <qyx_> like http://qyx.krtko.org/embedded/qnode5/img/pcb1.png
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[20:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> 7 payloads in the air by 11:00 tomorrow!
[20:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope 8 Steve has two payloads
[20:57] <lz1dev> excellect for nyan mode tracking
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[20:58] <mattbrejza> the ssdv one for tomrrow hasnt been approved yet
[20:58] <mattbrejza> however gilwell24/gilwell24_b are the same trasnmitter
[20:58] Nick change: Guest21925 -> PB0NER
[20:59] <mfa298> 11am, that's a much longer lie in than last weekend :)
[20:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> 3 payloads from Daveake, 2 from craag repeatedly, HDFLD school, 2 from steve
[20:59] <craag_Phil_M0DNY> :)
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[21:00] <PB0NER> test
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[21:01] <PB0NER> Is Leo around?
[21:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> He is probably launching one as we type
[21:02] <daveake> this is usually true
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[21:07] <amell> love the hand drawn pcb http://chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/8bit_Upgrades/Acorn_1MHz6502CPU.html
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[21:11] <Aerospar_> http://gerblook.org/pcb/tU38PdvokQV2KCJp5is2gQ ok there, welcome to via city
[21:11] <PB0NER> ok thanks... I have send him an e-mail but he seems to busy :)
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[21:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yea looks good Aerospar_
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[21:13] <Aerospar_> thanks Geoff-G8DHE
[21:13] <pd3t> mogguh
[21:14] <PB0NER> Howdy ...
[21:14] <qyx_> Aerospar_: good
[21:14] <qyx_> although some vias are unconnected
[21:14] <qyx_> these under the relay
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[21:15] <Aerospar_> oops
[21:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> What is the relay switching current/volts wise ?
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[21:17] <Aerospar_> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10924 220V/20A
[21:17] <Aerospar_> qyx_: I noticed in your circuit there are some vias directly on the connect pads where parts solder to. Is that a good idea?
[21:18] <Aerospar_> near the top center
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[21:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Aerospar_, I meant what is it switching rather than what could it switch ? Or do you have 220vac in the rocket ?
[21:19] <Aerospar_> oh, it's just a 9V lipo battery
[21:19] <Aerospar_> and the ignitor in series
[21:19] <Aerospar_> probably overkill
[21:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah so there is some current, hope vibration doesn't make it operate then ....
[21:20] <qyx_> Aerospar_: generally it isn't as they will sink solder inside
[21:20] <qyx_> Aerospar_: but they are there for better mechanical stability
[21:20] <pd3t> anything happening today?.
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[21:21] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: HAB Update: 8 flights tomorrow, plenty of trackers needed!
[21:21] <tweetBot> Tracking http://t.co/fvMDP0JgoN
[21:21] <tweetBot> Discussion http://t.co/8ftpRR74Ri
[21:21] <tweetBot> #ukhas #hamr
[21:22] <Aerospar_> Geoff-G8DHE: yeah that would be bad.. the battery is only connected directly before launch though so it's not a huge concern. One thing I am unsure about is the relay datasheet says it is rated for 86 ~ 101 kPa, why would pressure matter for a relay?
[21:22] <Aerospar_> qyx_: ok cool, thanks for all the help
[21:22] <Aerospar_> you too Geoff
[21:22] <Aerospar_> Time to ship it off!
[21:22] <Aerospar_> First PCB :D
[21:23] <amell> aerospar: why a relay?
[21:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> If its sealed it may try to expand from the pressure of gas inside, causing distortion of the case
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[21:23] <Aerospar_> hmm..
[21:23] <amell> what about an opto isolator circuit.
[21:24] <amell> not sure a relay is necessary. most deployment, stage starts dont use relays
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[21:25] <Aerospar_> Well I guess I never looked into all of the optionss, I thought it would get the job done
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[21:25] <Aerospar_> do you think an opto isolator would be better suited?
[21:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> If it needs isolating otherwise just a switching FET
[21:26] <amell> MCT-6 dual optos and TIP120 transistors
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[21:27] <amell> http://www.adafruit.com/products/976
[21:27] <amell> this will do your ignition great
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[21:29] <Aerospar_> They go to -60C too :o nice
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[21:30] <Aerospar_> 65*
[21:31] <amell> please be careful when testing&. I had an ignitor go off in my face when i put the battery on the wrong way round
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[21:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> He's never looked the same since ..
[21:33] <amell> good job i hadnt loaded it up with BP&
[21:33] <lz1dev> http://766gmb.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/tumblr_lkzl4z0swe1qg39ewo1_500.gif
[21:33] <Aerospar_> lol yeah i will be careful
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[21:38] <Aerospar_> amell: so you are saying I should connect the darlington transistors to the MCT-6's?
[21:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hope Daveake has got his copy right sorted out for Superman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman#Copyright_issues :-)
[21:42] <amell> Aerospar_ yeah why not
[21:46] <Aerospar_> because now i have to redo the PCB layout :(
[21:46] <amell> your choice& there are always suggestions for improvement.
[21:49] <Aerospar_> yeah, alright back to the drawing board lol
[21:49] <Aerospar_> appreciate the tips
[21:53] <Aerospar_> I like how there is two of them in one chip, can add in parachute deployment as well now :)
[21:54] <amell> this config is frequently used in altimeters.
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[21:55] <amell> have as many optos and tip120s as you like. can fit loads on the space. airstart, dual deploy etc.
[21:55] <amell> you might want to have drogue and main parachute deployment.
[21:59] <mikestir> why would you use opto-isolators?
[22:00] <mikestir> isn't it all powered from the same battery anyway (and therefore not isolated)
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[22:01] <amell> use separate battery for firing circuit
[22:01] <amell> you dont want to brown out your flight electronics
[22:01] <mikestir> ok fair enough. a fet would still be sufficient though
[22:02] <qyx_> wait what, are you going to use rpi to fly a rocket?
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[22:03] <amell> i would use clear opto and darlington.
[22:03] <amell> you do not want any accidents with a firing circuit
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[22:04] <amell> full isolation for safety
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[22:07] <adamgreig> hmmm isolation eh
[22:07] <adamgreig> wonder if I should have some of that on this thing
[22:07] <adamgreig> probably
[22:07] <adamgreig> sigh
[22:07] <Aerospar_> qyx_: Eventually, maybe. For now the pi is just for tracking and ignition.
[22:08] <mikestir> a pi doesn't really strike me as an ideal board to fly a rocket with
[22:08] <fsphil> or anything with an SD card hanging out the side
[22:08] <Aerospar_> Well there's a first for everything haha
[22:08] <mikestir> fsphil: that's what I was thinking
[22:09] <amell> good point on the SD card. everything needs to be G/shock rated.
[22:09] <fsphil> could solder one on I suppose
[22:09] <daveake> The flush adapters are pretty solid
[22:09] <daveake> However Piis still the wrong choice
[22:09] <mikestir> surely everything's happening a bit fast for a non-realtime os as well?
[22:09] <adamgreig> yea sd card sockets are surprisingly good at retention i think
[22:09] <amell> i have a camera on rocket. I just tape the SD card in to make sure it doesnt bounce out.
[22:09] <adamgreig> most of the important things aren't gonig to be that fast
[22:09] <adamgreig> what kind of rocket Aerospar_ ?
[22:10] <amell> he said J
[22:10] <adamgreig> amell: momentary disconnects are still going to be sad
[22:10] <adamgreig> ok. well then yea, like you have a pretty good period of time to deploy chute
[22:10] <adamgreig> pi can probably cope with it just fine
[22:10] <adamgreig> paper tape and mechanical computers get you into orbit, a pi really ought be ok for a baby model rocket
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[22:11] <fsphil> I'd quite like one with onboard flash instead of the SD ard
[22:11] <fsphil> +c
[22:11] <Aerospar_> It's a proof of concept rockoon, no active stabilization or anything fancy. Really it's only job is to log the altitude and send SBD requests to the iridium unit.
[22:11] <adamgreig> just solder an sd card in place :P
[22:11] <adamgreig> rockoon eh
[22:11] <adamgreig> rockoon without stabalisation you say
[22:11] <amell> iridium unit? wheres that from?
[22:12] <Aerospar_> this one http://rockblock.rock7mobile.com/products-rockblock.php
[22:12] <amell> oh rockblock. yes
[22:12] <Aerospar_> adamgreig: lol yea it should be an interesting experiment
[22:13] <adamgreig> have you considered the kind of things that might go horribly wrong? what altitude are you planning to deploy from? how're you igniting a J motor at altitude?
[22:13] <Laurenceb__> this has been done already
[22:13] <adamgreig> (the igniter that comes with it probably won't be up to it)
[22:13] <adamgreig> sorry for barrage of questions
[22:14] <Aerospar_> Laurenceb__: who are you refering to that did it?
[22:14] <amell> did LOHAN ever actually happen??? daveake?
[22:14] <Laurenceb__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFp2Gg3cyTo
[22:14] <Laurenceb__> as you can see its hopeless
[22:14] <Aerospar_> lol!
[22:14] <Laurenceb__> you need stabilisation of some form
[22:14] <amell> what the hell happened in that vid?
[22:15] <Aerospar_> well then my video will be like that but in 1080p :p
[22:15] <Laurenceb__> amell: horrible spiralling
[22:15] <Laurenceb__> it only went up a few km
[22:15] <Aerospar_> really? what size motor
[22:15] <amell> ah. i see the rocket now
[22:16] <Laurenceb__> L or something
[22:16] <Laurenceb__> i forget
[22:16] <Laurenceb__> whats happening with SP3OSJ?
[22:17] <mikestir> it's so lame we can't do atv from balloons
[22:17] <fsphil> it's sneaking up on me
[22:17] <Aerospar_> Well i think if you could get a sufficient velocity before leaving the launch rod it would go reasonably straight
[22:17] <Aerospar_> would be interesting to see more about how they setup the payload
[22:17] <fsphil> mikestir: well, we can't do good atv :)
[22:17] <amell> That motor is completely unsuitable. too much velocity at once.
[22:18] <Laurenceb__> Aerospar_: yes.. in theory
[22:18] <Aerospar_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1bGNTqOzGI
[22:18] <Laurenceb__> turns out you need about 200m/s as it leaves the rail
[22:19] <Laurenceb__> holy shit
[22:19] <Laurenceb__> wtf
[22:19] <Aerospar_> yeah lol
[22:19] <Aerospar_> that thing is massive
[22:19] <Laurenceb__> who needs a saturn 5
[22:20] <Laurenceb__> wheres the launch video for that thing...
[22:20] <amell> I would use this: http://www.pro38.com/products/pro54/motor/MotorData.php?prodid=2645L265-P
[22:21] <Laurenceb__> HARC== heathrow animal reception center
[22:21] <Laurenceb__> very helpful
[22:22] <Laurenceb__> hmm maybe it didnt launch
[22:22] <Laurenceb__> no mor einfo on it as far as i can find
[22:23] <Laurenceb__> amell: theoretically you can easily do it with a pro24
[22:23] <Upu> Not see that from Bill
[22:23] <amell> cant get 9.9s of burn in a pro24 :)
[22:23] <Laurenceb__> who cares
[22:23] <Aerospar_> Laurenceb__: I think the video you posted was the launch video
[22:23] <Laurenceb__> Aerospar_: no that launch is a tiny thing
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[22:23] <Laurenceb__> ive spoken to him on irc about that launch
[22:23] <amell> Laurenceb_: I do&
[22:25] <Aerospar_> hmm well here is the site
[22:25] <Aerospar_> http://www.harcspace.com/
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[22:25] <Laurenceb__> burn time is irrelevant to rockoon performance
[22:26] <Laurenceb__> or at least very close ot being
[22:27] <amell> its highly relevant to media/PR.
[22:27] <Laurenceb__> rofl
[22:27] <Laurenceb__> pmsl
[22:30] <Laurenceb__> you can easily get >1km/s delta v out of a pro24 reload, there is no need to go big
[22:30] <Reb-SM0ULC> Laurenceb__: lost track of sp3?
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[22:38] <amell> oh good lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKimGYJeJ6Y
[22:47] <DL7AD> idiots are going crazy ;)
[22:48] <DL7AD> did he survive?
[22:48] <arko> yes, the aerodynamic drag from his balls slowed him down
[22:49] <DL7AD> :D
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[22:50] <amell> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA0XXgxSp84 is more recent&
[22:50] <arko> haha
[22:50] <arko> yeah
[22:50] <arko> that guy is nutes
[22:50] <arko> nuts*
[22:52] <DL7AD> i guess they already did this 2 yeears ago
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[22:56] <DL7AD> they already landed without parachute https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5_ITt2LM0A
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[23:20] <Herman-PB0AHX> i go to sleep now gn all
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[23:24] <astrobiologist> nite all
[23:24] <astrobiologist> all/quit
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[23:46] <Maxell> amell: thats crazy :|
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