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[00:16] <Maxell> gonzo__: sounds complicated...
[00:16] <Maxell> I also wonder how that would sound... ssb in fm?
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[00:30] <DL7AD_> hi
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[00:37] <Maxell> good night ;)
[00:45] <jiffe98> did b-63 forget something? seems to be heading back
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[01:06] <MightyMik> it's out of beer
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[01:44] <DL7AD_> MightyMik: :D
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[02:08] <Ian_> From the SSB Wiki, it appears that full Amplitude Modulation is best for parking bicycles , , ,
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[03:45] <OH3UW> GM, Why tracker rejects SP3OSJ fldigi-data and is removed from fldigi flight list?
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[04:08] <LZ1DEV> OH3UW: i guess the flight doc might have expired
[04:08] <LZ1DEV> but the submited data is not lost, just no updated on the map
[04:22] <OH3UW> hope they can renew the flight docs...they all have expired ;-)
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[05:41] <oh1jcs> Good morning, looks like there´s a balloon parked overhead.
[05:47] <sp2ipt> did it land in your garden or is it still floating? :)
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[05:49] <oh1jcs> Still in the air. Swept over city of Turku and is now heading for Aland Islands? :)
[05:50] <sp2ipt> great :)
[05:52] <oh1jcs> A lot of garbage in fldigi, but this looks like a complete line: $$SP3OSJ,10706,054001,60.26187,21.07612,2012,20,12,2146.25,1.69,0.98,3*A0D1
[05:53] <oh1jcs> Uploading data, but not showing on map.
[05:54] <sp2ipt> did dl-fldigi mark the frame green? (which reads: is the checksum ok)
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[05:57] <oh1jcs> Not sure for that specific line, but most of them are green. At work at the moment, slow remote connection to home pc.
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[05:58] <sp2ipt> ok, did you set up your location? latitude and longitude (not only gridsquare)?
[05:58] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
[06:00] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: hej
[06:01] <SP3OSJ> Is it possible to attach a broadcasting position with APRS (SP3OSJ-12) to spacenear SP3OSJ
[06:01] <SP3OSJ> hej
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[06:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> it is but an admin have to enable it for you specific flight, ping upu, leo or craag, think they can do it
[06:03] <oh1jcs> My location shows up on map. This line checked green: $$SP3OSJ,10745,060132,60.21870,20.81078,2747,19,6,2165.05,1.73,0.99,3*3D49
[06:06] <SP3OSJ> Is it possible to attach to transmit position spacenear SP3OSJ
[06:06] <sp2ipt> try to check log window for errors but guess you'll have to ask one of the admin guys :)
[06:19] <SP3OSJ> Why tracker rejects SP3OSJ fldigi-data and actually it is removed from fldigi flight list? Is there some trouble in the server?
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[06:41] <amell> i guess B-63 and i just dont get on&
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[06:52] <gonzo__> it's almpost overflown me!
[06:53] <amell> i cant hear it
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[07:07] Action: mfa298 hadn't realised b-63 was headed this way. The radio is still in a crate after the weekend :(
[07:12] <LeoBodnar> SP3OSJ altitude profile looks like PIO http://aprs.fi/info/graphs/a/SP3OSJ-12?range=day
[07:15] <jededu> Still have low cloud will launch when it clears
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[07:16] <LeoBodnar> SLEET a day...
[07:17] <LeoBodnar> ...keeps BOC away
[07:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> 'Morning :-)
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[07:22] <ibanezmatt13> morning
[07:22] <fsphil> g'morn
[07:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> B-63 - Another interesting flight
[07:23] <ibanezmatt13> yep
[07:24] <G0HDI> Yes, B-63 just passed overhead my qth. very strong signal..Nice one!
[07:24] <Reb-SM0ULC> sp3, interesting show of wind layers..
[07:24] <Reb-SM0ULC> turned 90 degrees...
[07:26] <LeoBodnar> Is it going for Mandelbrot set?
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[07:27] <SA6BSS> put a spectrum online waiting for sp3osj that is heading my way, it should appear around .260 http://www.qsl.net/sa6bss/ every screenshot is 10min
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[07:34] <SP3OSJ> SA6BSS:
[07:35] <SP3OSJ> SA6BSS: Ton Mark is freqency: 144699775Hz. Ton Space is: 144700225Hz
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[07:40] <SA6BSS> SP3OSJ: ah, perfect, I guess its a little depening on temperature as well, we will see in the next few hours.
[07:41] <SA6BSS> and how accurate my radio is
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[07:46] <beertender> where can i find information about freq, modulation, decoding on B-63 ??
[07:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> beertender: Best to ask in here ;-)
[07:47] <MightyMik> B series is usually 434.500 or thereabouts
[07:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> 434.500.27 Contestia 64/1000
[07:48] <OH3UW> SA6BSS: the fequency moves back and forth a little, must use AFC or manual control... ;-)
[07:48] <gonzo___> centred on 434.5022 at the mo
[07:48] <Reb-SM0ULC> SA6BSS: pretty ok signal here
[07:48] <gonzo___> afc on the dl-fldigi does not work nin this mode
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[07:59] <beertender> tnx !
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[08:40] <Boelle_DK> pin Upu or UpuWork
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[08:44] <Boelle_DK> UpuWork & Upu.... you have a mail.... Q about the BiM1H
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[09:55] <amell> jededu: you may be my only hope for habs today
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[10:21] <Reb-SM0ULC> first green of sp3 "returning"
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[11:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> aH LOOKS LIKE i'M BACK IN THEN ..
[11:06] <Reb-SM0ULC> :)
[11:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Just put a an IRC Bouncer on my server
[11:07] <SpeedEvil> I recommend quassel
[11:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> using ZNC on Windows
[11:07] <SpeedEvil> But there are other solutions.
[11:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> just to open up the firewall
[11:10] <SpeedEvil> Can't get more high-altitude on this, so it must be on topic.
[11:10] <SpeedEvil> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2a5vg8/i_am_buzz_aldrin_engineer_american_astronaut_and/cirsgqt
[11:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> He he
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[11:13] <Reb-SM0ULC> with rtty.. shouldn't the signal be balanced? same energy in both channels?
[11:13] <mattbrejza> for equal bit probabilities
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[11:14] <SpeedEvil> In short - rarely
[11:14] <adamgreig> rarely for HABs
[11:14] <Reb-SM0ULC> oki
[11:15] <Reb-SM0ULC> having troubles decoding sp3
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[11:35] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: aprs on ism band eh? why not on cb? http://www.cbaprs.de/
[11:35] <Maxell> or is that also a no-go in the UK?
[11:36] <Laurenceb_> what happened to SP3OSJ
[11:36] <Laurenceb_> lower flight today
[11:38] <mfa298> Maxell: would need larger antennas as CB is around 27MHz
[11:39] <Maxell> mfa298: yeah sure for optimal radation pattern but f that :P
[11:39] <mfa298> and I suspect the matching network for 2/70 probably wouldn't work for 27MHz
[11:39] <Maxell> just go cb on 2m/70cm whip
[11:42] <Laurenceb_> B-62 updated?
[11:42] <mfa298> looks like there's no definition of frequencies to use on that site so it looks like it might be more just a central location for any non ham aprs data
[11:43] <mfa298> (which might make more sense for aprs over the UK to be sent to as it helps with showing that its ISM use not AR use)
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[11:47] <amell> Laurenceb_: dont think so?
[11:47] <amell> actually, i dont recall it being near irkutsk before.
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[11:48] <amell> looks like there might have been a manual import by leo
[11:49] <amell> big jump to 105 deg east
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[11:52] <jededu> SLEET is good to go 5.5g lift
[11:53] <amell> press the button capn
[11:53] <Boelle_DK> well for whats its worth i plan to build an combined igate / repater.... just need to hammer a plan up my mind how to build it and figure antenna... damm i hate living in a flat
[11:53] <jededu> just waiting for right condition
[11:53] <amell> no time like the present
[11:54] <jededu> wind lol
[11:54] <amell> wind make balloon go far
[11:54] <amell> btw how did you measure lift while filling?
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[12:05] <Maxell> mfa298: cb aprs is done on the packet frequency 27.235 MHz
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[12:10] <jededu> SLEET is away
[12:10] <Maxell> however coverage isn't great either
[12:12] <Maxell> nice
[12:13] <amell> freq?
[12:14] <craag> SLEET already descending?
[12:14] <amell> coming down again?
[12:14] <amell> excellent start
[12:15] <amell> might be a low float.
[12:15] <amell> wonder what the drivers on the M5 make of this spherical object crossing their path
[12:15] <craag> Is this a foil or latex?
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[12:16] <amell> got a frequency?
[12:16] <jededu> latex
[12:16] <LeoBodnar> that was the last APRS file i have been sent [12:42] <Laurenceb_> B-62 updated?
[12:16] <jededu> 434 400
[12:17] <Laurenceb_> i see
[12:17] <amell> Leobodnar: from Irkutsk? hadnt noticed the new postn either
[12:18] <LeoBodnar> yeah the guys from Irkutsk sent it last weekend, i just got round to decoding it
[12:18] <amell> that explains it then :)
[12:18] <LeoBodnar> the update time reflects that
[12:18] <amell> indeed
[12:18] <LeoBodnar> 1500UTC on 4th of July
[12:18] <amell> did you get a hysplit from that position at that time?
[12:19] <jededu> needs to go up soon :) it hag 6g lift
[12:19] <amell> jededu: was it inflated in the house?
[12:19] <jededu> yes
[12:19] <amell> might have cooled in the wind, hence less lift.
[12:20] <jededu> dave ake suggested 4g
[12:20] <jededu> its just windy here
[12:21] <amell> its basically yo yoing in the wind isnt it.
[12:21] <Laurenceb_> uh oh
[12:21] <Laurenceb_> airport
[12:21] <amell> once it finds a thermal it should shoot up
[12:22] Action: amell clenches involuntarily.
[12:22] <amell> nice one, straight down the runway
[12:22] <mikestir-work> or a jet
[12:22] <amell> control tower will have it in their sights
[12:22] <Laurenceb_> hope it doesnt hit the control tower window
[12:22] <amell> ouch
[12:23] <amell> if it disappears, we will know whats happened.
[12:23] <amell> impressive, looking like a straight run down the runway
[12:24] <mikestir-work> watch out for funny holding patterns on flightradar24
[12:24] <amell> bet theres talk about it on the control tower frequency
[12:25] <Laurenceb_> where is tha control tower?
[12:26] <mattbrejza> there doesnt appear to be ads-b coverage on the airport
[12:26] <mikestir-work> luckily birmingham appears to be totally devoid of planes at the moment
[12:26] <amell> unlikely
[12:27] <mattbrejza> the plane to the bottom left of b'ham's trace doesnt start at the airport
[12:27] <mattbrejza> so it seems any planes on the gorund wouldnt show up
[12:27] <mattbrejza> there is one about to land at 1.32 though
[12:27] <mattbrejza> tcx54ec
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[12:28] <amell> it would be flying into the balloon
[12:28] <amell> from the south. planes land into the wind
[12:28] <amell> jededu: hope your liability insurance is good
[12:29] <mattbrejza> well lets see what this plane does
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[12:29] <jededu> Ist way less than 2m so legal
[12:29] <amell> yes, were just winding you up.
[12:29] <jededu> its
[12:29] <jededu> lol i know
[12:29] <amell> i cant see it would present any problems for an engine
[12:30] <Laurenceb_> erm
[12:30] <Laurenceb_> is TCX54EC circling?
[12:30] <Laurenceb_> lolz
[12:30] <jededu> but it has climbed
[12:30] <jededu> no but it would stop the fun :)
[12:31] <mattbrejza> well its eta has increased
[12:31] <Laurenceb_> oops
[12:31] <mattbrejza> and its turned away
[12:31] <Laurenceb_> this is not good
[12:31] <jededu> lol
[12:31] <amell> uh oh, do we have a goaround?
[12:31] <amell> listen to control tower frequency&
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[12:32] <jededu> It was predicted to go south if it had climbed
[12:32] <mattbrejza> anyone know the approach frequency of atc and close enoguh to listen in?
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[12:32] <DL7AD> hi
[12:33] <mikestir-work> 118.050
[12:33] <mikestir-work> 118.300 is tower
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[12:33] <Ron_G8FJG> losing B63 @ 430km -0.3 local QRM.. I'll have a look for some Sleet flybys
[12:33] <mattbrejza> tbh not sure if that was to avoid the balloon, it might just be losing altitude
[12:34] <Laurenceb_> they will be passing about now
[12:35] <Laurenceb_> plane ~1k feet below
[12:35] <mattbrejza> is the colour of the track its altitude or speed?
[12:36] <jededu> I wonder how many foils pass that way every week
[12:36] <jededu> with 18 written on them
[12:37] <jededu> good alt tho
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[12:38] <F1VJQ> I see Leo is sending one to fly right over me!!!
[12:38] <Maxell> F1VJQ: sabotage B-63 mission!
[12:39] <F1VJQ> Maxell I hope not!!
[12:39] <mfa298> looks like most stuff into birmingham has been arriving early http://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/arrivals-and-departures.aspx
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[12:41] <Maxell> I wonder if I will be able to rx SLEET today...
[12:41] <fsphil> oh is it up
[12:42] <jededu> ping upu
[12:42] <Maxell> Looks to be heading south...
[12:42] <jededu> Up and rising
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[12:45] <mattbrejza> so im playing back the monrings landings at b'ham, and so far none of the other planes have done that little loop
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[12:47] <fsphil> looks like it's going to swing west near bournmouth
[12:47] <fsphil> if it floats it'll get lost over the atlantic
[12:48] <jededu> I wonder how long from an AA
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[12:48] <Laurenceb_> mattbrejza: i cant see how it could have flown there unnoticed by atc
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[12:55] <mattbrejza> well it seems based on the path it took (the plane) the balloon was noticed
[12:55] <mattbrejza> so they write this reports up and put them public?
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[12:55] <mattbrejza> or does this kinda thing happen every week or so and no-one cares too much?
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[12:56] <fsphil> suspect it's fairly common
[12:57] <F1VJQ> What is this balloon/plane thing? An incident recently?
[12:57] <jededu> There are thousands of balloons of that size released in birmingham every month I should imagine they see quite a few
[12:57] <fsphil> very recently
[12:57] <F1VJQ> Hope not a hobby balloon!
[12:59] <mattbrejza> http://imgur.com/N71h4wX,WHU5aC2,RJFy4ak,21dtKRa#2
[12:59] <es5nhc__> What F1VJQ said. Did something happen recently?
[12:59] <LeoBodnar> runway excursions are routine thing
[12:59] <LeoBodnar> rabbits, debris, etc
[13:00] <LeoBodnar> I have seen fox in Teesside
[13:00] <F1VJQ> I was receiving B-63 but nothing heard since 12:43
[13:01] <gonzo___> flocks of birds are a favouirite. As the last thing they want is then all taking to the air, as a plane comes in
[13:02] <F1VJQ> That loop is quite normal, I think.... sometimes a plane arrives early for its landing slot
[13:03] <mattbrejza> i played back on the website, there were no planes before it
[13:03] <Boelle_DK> loooollll was just kicked from local hacker space as i told what i feelt about it all... ie no access thou they said all allowed etc etc...
[13:03] <Boelle_DK> so boat project out the say...
[13:04] <Boelle_DK> and i think i have 2 gps modules from Upu i can play with
[13:04] <Boelle_DK> so...
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[13:04] <Boelle_DK> what could benefit people here most... an normal listner... or an APRS igate / repeater?
[13:04] <Boelle_DK> i guess prob both :-D
[13:05] <fsphil> receivers always most welcome :)
[13:05] <craag> ukhasnet node?
[13:06] <Boelle_DK> node?
[13:06] <Boelle_DK> ehh new to this still
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[13:06] <craag> http://www.ukhas.net/
[13:06] <craag> also #ukhasnet
[13:06] <Boelle_DK> so bear with me if i ask stupid
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[13:08] <Boelle_DK> ahh... yes...
[13:09] <Boelle_DK> but is there any difference between a ukhas node and a aprs igate ?
[13:09] <jededu> craag interesting
[13:09] <jededu> mmm
[13:09] <craag> We use the RFM69's internal packet mode, over ISM frequencies.
[13:10] <craag> gtg back to work - there's info on the ukhasnet wiki (although it's not much better organised than the ukhas.org.uk one..)
[13:10] <Boelle_DK> oki
[13:11] <Boelle_DK> but well then i will aim for an APRS... i guess it can still be used... and not only for HAB's
[13:12] <es5nhc__> Ohoh... you're having a balloon over Baltic Sea..
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[13:16] <Boelle_DK> so a UKhas node does not connect to internet? would have been ideal if they are far between
[13:17] <F1VJQ> anyone got an accurate dial freq for the pips?
[13:19] <Boelle_DK> or do they in fact connect to internet?
[13:19] <Boelle_DK> guides in the wiki must miss that version
[13:20] <mfa298> Boelle_DK: there are gateway nodes that upload data to the internet (usually a serial link between the node and some form of computer)
[13:20] <Boelle_DK> oki
[13:20] <mfa298> that's how you get to see the data on the ukhas.net map
[13:20] <Boelle_DK> would need a guide for one of those
[13:21] <mfa298> but you don't need an internet connection for them to be useful (the same is also true for aprs)
[13:21] <Boelle_DK> ahh
[13:21] <Boelle_DK> https://github.com/OctopusKat/UKHASnetIgate
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[13:22] <Ron_G8FJG> F1VJQ 434.500200 for 800hz pip
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[13:28] <F1VJQ> OK Thanks
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[14:05] <jededu> ping upu
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[14:14] <UpuWork> hi jededu
[14:14] <jededu> How long will it last on an AA
[14:14] <UpuWork> 75 hours possibly ?
[14:15] <jededu> Cool if it floats :)
[14:15] <UpuWork> I can't remember what code it son it
[14:15] <UpuWork> its quite ropey code so may not be that long
[14:15] <UpuWork> but definetly > 50 hours
[14:15] <jededu> :)
[14:16] <UpuWork> cheers for relaunching :)
[14:16] <jededu> nps
[14:18] <F1VJQ> looks like some deliberate QRM here sweeping up and down over B-63 - Contestia still decodes though!
[14:18] <F1VJQ> Not unless it's a new Leo feature!!
[14:19] <F1VJQ> back soon... trying to watch TdF on TV at same time
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[14:31] <M0ION> anyone tell me what the green ring on the map signifies??
[14:32] <fsphil> it's where the payload is 5 degrees above the horizon
[14:32] <M0ION> oh, ok thanks
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[14:43] <Maxell> M0ION: a reminder that once you are in the green circle your equipment should pick up it's transmitter.
[14:44] <Maxell> If not, something is wrong at the TX side or the RX side :)
[14:45] <M0ION> thanks
[14:52] <fsphil> or geography
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[14:55] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, doesn't help being the wrong side of a cliff... ;)
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[14:59] <LazyLeopard> The green circle's for something like 5 degrees elevation? When my tracking system's alive I often get signal when I'm a bit outside the blue. At present, however, the system needs some TLC (or, possibly, a hammer)...
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[15:04] <LazyLeopard> At the Bromley club's usual meeting place, however, even the green circle would be pushing it except in certain very limited directions.
[15:08] <as14af> PE0SAT: are you PE1RQM?
[15:12] <LazyLeopard> Get an antenna 50 feet up, and the horizon looks like this: http://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=O1BES7VG (but 50 feet is being a little optimistic)...
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[15:19] <YO9ICT> Hi guys
[15:19] <YO9ICT> A quick question , how much lift does a 18 inch foil balloon develop?
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[15:25] <Laurenceb_> does anyone understand airspace in the uk?
[15:25] <Laurenceb_> what are the airspace classes versus altitude
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[15:27] <Maxell> fsphil: LazyLeopard: geography? wrong side of a cliff? What are you guys talking about?
[15:27] <Maxell> All we have here is polders :P
[15:27] <Maxell> as14af: PE0SAT is not PE1RQM :P
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[15:28] <G4MYS_Andy> Strong signal from SLEET but how to decpde?
[15:29] <jededu> 50 baud 7N2
[15:29] <chrisstubbs> Hi Andy, do you have dl-fldigi
[15:29] <LeoBodnar> https://www.caa.co.uk/docs/64/200890108ATSAirspaceClassificationV3.pdf
[15:29] <G4MYS_Andy> oh yes
[15:29] <LeoBodnar> it's not altitude, it's purpose rather
[15:30] <jededu> shift 500
[15:30] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: thanks
[15:30] <G4MYS_Andy> not so much the shift as the the type of RTTY its sending!
[15:30] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: aiui CAS stops at 66k feet?
[15:31] <G4MYS_Andy> got it after a real fight!
[15:31] <fsphil> Maxell: it's like the ground, but sideways
[15:31] <Maxell> fsphil: eek that makes it hard to track HABs :O
[15:31] <LeoBodnar> i am not sure, it's way above me!
[15:31] <G4MYS_Andy> many thanks Lads
[15:32] <jededu> 50 baud 7n2
[15:32] <Laurenceb_> http://www.svazpg.cz/upload/2010/Classification%20mid%20april%202007.pdf
[15:32] <jededu> USB
[15:32] <Laurenceb_> thats approx 20km
[15:32] <Maxell> fsphil: LazyLeopard: ok not sure if this is any useful :P http://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=O1BES7VG
[15:36] <LazyLeopard> Just an illustration of the problems geography can cause...
[15:38] Action: fsphil puts in SLEET's current position and altitude...
[15:38] <fsphil> taking its time
[15:39] <fsphil> http://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=Q693MMNG
[15:40] <Maxell> fsphil: nice too see that there is nothing in between me and the SLEET balloon.
[15:40] <Maxell> Except for the earth itself :P
[15:40] <fsphil> where is Marvin the Martian when we need him
[15:40] <fsphil> he wouldn't let the Earth get in the way of him!
[15:40] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[15:41] <Maxell> fsphil: but there is some earth between SLEET and your antenna?
[15:41] <fsphil> quite a lot of it
[15:41] <fsphil> and some water
[15:42] <Maxell> o_0
[15:43] <fsphil> it may get yet high enough
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[15:47] <Maxell> Yeah I'll keep an eye on it :)
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[15:48] <Maxell> Would be nice to grab some decodes today.
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[15:48] <Guest57835> Hey jededu
[15:48] <Guest57835> Damn, need to Login...
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[15:50] <Maxell> Guest57835: on freenode you can put in your nickserv password as the server password so it automaticly identifies you https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#identify
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[15:51] <jededu> Guest57835 Yes
[15:52] <Guest57835> Its Sgt. Give me a minute password must have changed.
[15:52] <jededu> Ok lol
[15:54] <Guest57835> * SgtBurned :Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable
[15:54] <Guest57835> 0_o
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[15:56] <SergeantBurned> Meh
[15:56] <SergeantBurned> Will have to do
[16:01] <fsphil> icarus rises again
[16:02] <F1VJQ> LeoBodnar Thanks for sending B-63 so close to me! It's about 55km away at the moment
[16:02] <LeoBodnar> you are welcome! keep an eye on it :)
[16:05] <F1VJQ> Oh yes... last year you said that when I returned to France, you would send one down this way! Now it's here!
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[16:10] <jededu> SLEET is coming back
[16:11] <F1VJQ> why is it not on the map? Has nobody got a decode?
[16:12] <Boelle_DK> Maxell: i just got most parts for a ukhas note... and even got a huge pile of boards i can use
[16:12] <Boelle_DK> only need rfm chips
[16:13] <Boelle_DK> but do you know if it matters what pin IRQ line is connected to=
[16:13] <Boelle_DK> ?
[16:13] <Boelle_DK> that is the only difference i have
[16:13] <F1VJQ> argh, was that a burst?
[16:13] <F1VJQ> sigs went very low and then came back...
[16:13] <Boelle_DK> could of course cut tracks and re route, but would like to avoid that
[16:15] <Laurenceb_> is SLEET a pico?
[16:15] <F1VJQ> No.. false alarm, it's still OK
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[16:15] <jededu> Yes its one of upu's
[16:15] <mattbrejza> Laurenceb_: 100g latex pico
[16:15] <Laurenceb_> ah
[16:16] <jededu> On a small 100g latex
[16:17] <Maxell> SLEET doing something funky :(
[16:18] <Maxell> Well, might be in favor of us Dutchies
[16:20] <LeoBodnar> SLEET ]I[
[16:23] <db_g6gzh> I would be amused if SLEET went back to Baconur
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[16:31] <LeoBodnar> F1VJQ: are you receiving SLEET on websdr?
[16:32] <F1VJQ> No, I was just looking to see where it is on the map.... not looked on radio for it
[16:35] <LeoBodnar> okie
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[16:36] <arko> neat
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[16:45] <DutchMillbt> Hi all what's the dail. freq. for SLEET
[16:45] <Upu> 434.400
[16:45] <DutchMillbt> thankz
[16:49] <Boelle_DK> Idea for listning software.... report back to server what freq a given flight is found on, and option to tune to that freq ?
[16:50] <Boelle_DK> just a brainfart
[16:50] <Boelle_DK> judge the smell yourselfes :-P
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[16:54] <mfa298> I believe at least some of that code is already in place - but it only works if dl-fldigi is connected to a radio in a way that the radio can report the frequency (i.e. CAT control and not everyone has that setup - or can do that)
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[17:00] <Boelle_DK> could it be done if some tune manual and get a lock? ie i get an sdr dongle... i would tune and get a lock.. as soon i decode green it could report that back... and others could tick an auto tune option
[17:01] <Boelle_DK> but someone just yelled dinner
[17:01] <Boelle_DK> back laters
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[17:04] <mfa298> Boelle_DK: the question to ask yourself it how will dl-fldigi (which is what talk to the server) know what frequency the sdr dongle is tunned to (that's the bit which will know what frequency it's on)
[17:09] <db_g6gzh> dl-fldigi does send the frequency data to habitat in the "rig-info" structure
[17:09] <db_g6gzh> but, as you say, it needs to have some sort of CAT interface to get it from
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[17:15] <PE0SAT> as14af: Are you available?
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[17:17] <as14af> PE0SAT: yes
[17:17] <PE0SAT> I am not PE1RQM
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[17:18] <PE0SAT> To answer your question
[17:18] <as14af> PE0SAT: Ok
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[17:23] <oh1jcs> Elevation 0.0 degrees. :) Time to say bon voyage to sp3osj balloon. Still hearing it though.
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[17:30] <astrobiologist> can I ask an inductor core question please?
[17:30] <astrobiologist> how far out of a coil should you be unscrewing a core before you give up and realise you need a different coil altogether?
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[17:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> I would say no more than 50% out of the former.
[17:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Can you not re!duce the C tuning it?
[17:33] <astrobiologist> don't know the equations yet Geoff-G8DHE, it's actually as part of my intermediate license studies
[17:33] <astrobiologist> just know I can reduce the capacitance and reduce the inductance to increase the resonant frequency of the coil
[17:33] <astrobiologist> but by how much... don't know
[17:34] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah r.ight never heard of an a actual % but you r.isk the core wobbling or getting knocked.
[17:34] <astrobiologist> I made a VFO but its frequency is about 40% low, despite matching coils as much as possible
[17:35] <astrobiologist> problem is I now have a collection of very similar coils, nothing that could really make much difference
[17:35] <astrobiologist> the core is quite far out now, think I will leave it and move on :-)
[17:35] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Right, if its that far out then reduce the C and increase the L by puttimgbthe core further back in.
[17:36] <F1VJQ> can anyone help - DL-fldigi question... a French station has downloaded Windows version but says "it will not start" !!
[17:37] <astrobiologist> thanks Geoff-g8DHE, I will scrabble through my collection of caps to see if I have something a bit smaller :-)
[17:37] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Is it downloaded from the wiki site, there is an older version kicking about somewhere ?
[17:38] <F1VJQ> Windows: dl-fldigi-DL3.1-windows-2abd6a7.exe from http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[17:38] <F1VJQ> and XP
[17:38] <Geoff-G8DHE_> That should be OK then
[17:38] <F1VJQ> Yes I thought so... I'm puzzled!
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[17:39] <Geoff-G8DHE_> I have seen references to a problem, but not seen the fix, probably config files.
[17:40] <F1VJQ> I know it is annoying when a download wont work, its XP as here... so nothing obvious I can suggest to him!
[17:42] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Has he tried deleting the config files under the user and reinstal
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[17:46] <SA6BSS|2> F1VJQ: unistall the program and delete the folder "dl-fldigi.files" it should be under user and reinstall the dl-fldigi, I maby a restart of the computer as well
[17:46] Nick change: SA6BSS|2 -> SA6BSS-Mike
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[17:49] <F1VJQ> anyone know where SLEET is and QRG/mode?
[17:49] <F1VJQ> SA6BSS-Mike OK thanks - I'll pass that on
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[17:52] <jededu> SLEET RTTY 50 baud 7N2
[17:52] <jededu> 434.400
[17:53] <F1VJQ> Thanks jededu
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[17:59] <LeoBodnar> is SLEET the same envelope?
[18:00] <jededu> No new one
[18:01] <jededu> It had exactly 5.5g lift
[18:01] <LeoBodnar> lol well done measuring
[18:01] <jededu> i
[18:02] <jededu> I weighed a piece of bluetac then balanced it before launch the bluetac weighed 5.5g
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[18:08] <F1VJQ> jededu is this a pure up/down flight,?
[18:08] <fsphil> I can just about hear SLEET, the immortal
[18:08] <F1VJQ> I need to go and eat, but doubt I will hear it unless it achieves 32km!
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[18:10] <jededu> It is supposed to float
[18:11] <LeoBodnar> it better do
[18:11] <F1VJQ> 16km and rising!
[18:12] <F1VJQ> I will look back here later to see if it will come this way!
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[18:14] <DutchMillbt> jededu Nice and steady signal... which type of transmitter uses SLEET
[18:14] <jededu> Ask Upu :) its his build
[18:14] <Upu> its a prototype pava9 board
[18:15] <Upu> SI4060 with a TCXO
[18:15] <jededu> I just adopted it
[18:15] <Upu> lol
[18:16] <LeoBodnar> have you had a sneaky feeling you will see it again?
[18:18] <Upu> lol
[18:18] <Upu> well if its going to float
[18:18] <Upu> its on track as it will be getting to max alt just as the sun goes down
[18:18] <Upu> dunno if it was intentional but great timing
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[18:19] <jededu> No it wasnt I didnt think it would make that alt
[18:19] <Upu> 100g ?
[18:19] <jededu> yes
[18:19] <Upu> should be good for 23km
[18:19] <jededu> cool
[18:19] <Upu> just as the sun goes down
[18:19] <Upu> which *may* put it in a float
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[18:34] <Upu> you got the lift spot on jededu
[18:34] <Upu> Payload 18g ?
[18:34] <jededu> yes there abouts
[18:34] <Upu> 3g lift ?
[18:35] <jededu> 5.5g
[18:35] <Upu> if a 100g is going to float this will be it
[18:35] <Upu> as you're going to hit the max alt at sunset
[18:37] <jededu> just checked payload with tape etc 22.5g
[18:38] <jededu> food back soon
[18:38] <Upu> nps
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[18:51] <aadamson> I just ran the average vertical velocity = it's ~.73m/s on SLEET (17454m/23779sec) as of 18:43:51
[18:51] <Upu> floaty
[18:53] <aadamson> calculator is pretty close... says 3gr of free lift, but fudge it to 1m/s vertical and it's at 5.5 free lift
[18:53] <aadamson> very cool!
[18:54] <G4MYS_Andy> My congratulations to SLEETS Builder for a good stable signal, Ive dug the garden, cooked dinner and its still locked on !
[18:54] <Upu> thanks G4MYS_Andy
[18:55] <Upu> just wait till the sun goes down though :)
[18:56] <G4MYS_Andy> Both aerials are waiting and sniffing the RF out and ASTRA is about too so we wait with Inerest!
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[19:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> Predictions for sp3osj http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=a0172bacbb3b75e949f65cba6635be9c644bd27f
[19:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/125896_trj001.gif
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[19:10] <GadgetDroid> Upu: you around?
[19:10] <Upu> I am
[19:12] <GadgetDroid> Quick question, do you know if I can use data lines to detect a device on the end of a USB cable, say an iPhone plugged in for charging ?
[19:13] <Upu> err
[19:13] <Upu> probably but no idea how too
[19:14] <GadgetDroid> OK. Not to worry.
[19:14] <qyx_> GadgetDroid: device pulls D+ to +3.3V with 1.5K resistor
[19:14] <LeoBodnar> Full Speed device
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[19:14] <LeoBodnar> Low Speed device pulls D-
[19:15] <qyx_> yep
[19:15] <LeoBodnar> HS device disconnects resistor after speed negotiation
[19:15] <GadgetDroid> OK. But you can also use d lines to indicate charging current availability
[19:15] <LeoBodnar> SS i have no clue :D
[19:16] <LeoBodnar> Apple has some non-standard stuff
[19:16] <qyx_> but only charging-only ports
[19:16] <LeoBodnar> probably patented so easy to find
[19:18] <GadgetDroid> Ll ol
[19:18] <GadgetDroid> Lol even
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[19:20] <ProSpectre> evening
[19:20] <Upu> hi there
[19:20] <ProSpectre> nice to see B-62 is still doin it
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[19:21] <ProSpectre> I'd like to know what kind of battery was used for it
[19:22] <craag> If it's the same as most of his other recent ones - it's a small low-temp lipo
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[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[19:23] <mikestir> GadgetDroid: standard charge ports short the D lines together, but apple does it differently (they use a resistor ladder to V+ iirc
[19:24] <GadgetDroid> Yup
[19:24] <mikestir> but if you want to detect a device (rather than the device detecting the charger) then looking for the pullups is probably the way to go
[19:24] <F1VJQ> B-62? You mean B-63?
[19:25] <jededu> SLEET ascent is slowing
[19:25] <craag> F1VJQ: B-62 is still on the map - however looks like a while since the last update.
[19:26] <F1VJQ> craag yes.. suspect it went into no APRS area!
[19:27] <craag> Japan/USA is probably the next APRS area in that direction..
[19:27] <mfa298> wow sleet really is taking life slowly, I might have to get the radio out the crate after the weekend :)
[19:27] <craag> Need to do a flight dropping some igates ;)
[19:29] <mikestir> I see the level of wordpress comment spam creeping back up again, despite having IP blocked the whole of china
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[19:34] <Upu> recaptcha plugin usually sorts it
[19:34] <Upu> sleet in a float ?
[19:34] <Upu> maybe not
[19:34] <craag> not yet..
[19:35] <Upu> just did 2 -ive ascent rates
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[19:36] <LeoBodnar> tone change?
[19:37] <LeoBodnar> maybe my radio
[19:37] <aadamson> rx only pi igate with dvb dongle - http://yd0nxx.wordpress.com/2013/04/30/aprs-igate-using-raspberry-pi-board/
[19:37] <Upu> good luck aadamson
[19:37] <Upu> I couldn't get it working
[19:37] <aadamson> you been there already?
[19:37] <Upu> yeah went with the hardware TNC which works perfectly
[19:37] <LeoBodnar> good luck with that!
[19:38] <aadamson> yeah, saw that yesterday
[19:38] <Upu> I call float
[19:38] <aadamson> I had hard enough time just getting the websdr stuff to work with a Pi
[19:38] <Upu> well
[19:38] <Upu> oscillation :/
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> hahaha [20:37] <aadamson> you been there already?
[19:39] <LeoBodnar> still using altavista?
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[19:42] <mattbrejza> Upu: whats with the step change in battery/sats/status?
[19:42] <mattbrejza> ( see /mt )
[19:43] <Upu> sec
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> looks like asymptotic approch to 20km
[19:48] <jededu> that has to be a float
[19:49] <craag> jededu: Just about there..
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[19:49] <mikestir> I see an A320 had to nosedive into Paris last night with an engine on fire
[19:49] <craag> Another 10 minutes I reckon
[19:49] <F1VJQ> B-63 freq drifting slowly LF noticeably
[19:51] <Upu> no idea mattbrejza
[19:52] <LeoBodnar> /mt telemetry is funny
[19:52] <F1VJQ> mikestir Flight says it was during pushback and engine start.
[19:52] <Upu> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/SLEET#g/batterymv,satellites,status,altitude
[19:53] <mfa298> Upu: with a more recent rasbian distro you might need to kill the normal dvb-t drivers if you're using and rtl-sdr - I've not tried using one on a pi for a while but I had to do that on my work ubuntu machine
[19:53] <mfa298> aadamson: ^^
[19:53] <mattbrejza> ah right
[19:53] <Upu> I think I did mfa298
[19:53] <Upu> the hardware approach just worked
[19:53] <Upu> and can also TX
[19:54] <LeoBodnar> RPi is great for wasting time
[19:54] <Upu> no its a useful thing
[19:54] <mfa298> you're hardware approach is much better as a solution
[19:54] <Upu> but it just has one problem
[19:54] <Upu> it runs linux
[19:54] <LeoBodnar> and trying to do on it stuff that needs dedicated hardware/software
[19:54] <LeoBodnar> like ffeding dogs via internet
[19:54] <mfa298> you can stick a real OS like RiscOS on the Pi, I think some people have also experimented with FreeBSD
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[19:56] <mfa298> one of my biggest issues with the RPi is there's a load of users who don't really know what they're doing telling others how to do things (and usually getting it wrong)
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[19:57] <jededu> So are we floating
[19:57] <Upu> yeah we've seen this before though, if it gets into sunset and doesn't burst I think we are up for the night
[19:59] <mikestir> probably the biggest issue with the rpi is the reliance on binary blobs everywhere, and that broadcom insisted on making up their own userland->kernel APIs for some stuff instead of using the well understood interfaces that were already there
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[20:00] <LeoBodnar> the biggest problem with RPi is that it does exist
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[20:00] <Upu> haha don't be a hater
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[20:00] <mikestir> it's a bit unfair to blame its poor performance on linux as well. a 700 MHz ARM 11 is just not a very fast processor
[20:01] <Upu> performance has never been an issue
[20:01] <mikestir> not for the sort of tasks people are asking of it
[20:01] <Upu> well for what I do on it
[20:01] <mfa298> so far I can mostly cope with the binary blobs (at least the foundation are doing active work with broadcom on it) but I do keep getting annoyed when searching for something and 99% of the google results are someone telling you to do what I know is the wrong way to do it.
[20:01] <qyx_> its the same as avr
[20:02] <qyx_> "can i make VGA out on avr?"
[20:02] <mikestir> s/avr/arduino/
[20:02] <qyx_> well..
[20:02] <LeoBodnar> you can on a PIC
[20:02] <qyx_> "can i do tcp/ip on avr?"
[20:02] <mikestir> I've stopped publishing AVR code because I've got so fed up of people asking me how to make it work on their arduino
[20:02] <LeoBodnar> AVR is a good PIC
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[20:03] <craag> I've done VGA out on 7400 logic, must be easy on an avr.
[20:04] <LeoBodnar> publishing code exploded mediocrity sidewise
[20:04] <craag> heh clock speeds, maybe not.
[20:04] <mikestir> the zx81 did PAL video on a Z80 so it must be possible to do vga on an avr
[20:04] <LeoBodnar> we are drowning in copypaste crap
[20:04] <LeoBodnar> designs are copied lock stock and barrel
[20:05] <LeoBodnar> "You *dont't opensource your stuff?!" oO Shock horro
[20:05] <LeoBodnar> r
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[20:06] <LeoBodnar> I've done 1080p on a PIC :p
[20:07] <mikestir> I get the impression the arduino has killed off peoples desire to learn
[20:07] <LeoBodnar> indeed
[20:07] <LeoBodnar> and think
[20:07] <LeoBodnar> google first
[20:08] <qyx_> so did stackoverflow
[20:08] <mikestir> the silicon vendors don't help with the cut+paste problem either with their tendency towards point and click peripheral libraries
[20:08] <mikestir> I was talking to our freescale guy yesterday and he seemed surprised when I told him I'd rather understand the hardware and write my own drivers
[20:08] <mfa298> mikestir: I'd agree there. I was looking at something with a Pi at work and thinking I probably need a microcontroller for some bits. Someone elses first response was: Oh get an arduino.
[20:09] <mfa298> I then had to explain the AVR I'd put on the board was basicly the same as what's on an arduino board but without having all the extra crap it doesn't need
[20:10] <LeoBodnar> Microchip head of sales did not believe me i write in assembly until i showed my code
[20:11] <LeoBodnar> simply because MC did not publish anything in assembly for years
[20:12] <LeoBodnar> I'd use their point click and drag stuff
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[20:12] <LeoBodnar> but apart from slightly mdifying stock demos it's useless
[20:12] <F1VJQ> LeoBodnar slow drift LF now down to 434.498 - signal a lot weaker, and missed out blocks after double bips last few times.. perhaps night time mode
[20:13] <LeoBodnar> yeah it will be drifting really badly when temperature drops
[20:13] <LeoBodnar> last night was very cold
[20:13] <LeoBodnar> -54C
[20:13] <F1VJQ> Hard to get clean decode
[20:13] <Upu> shame no temp sensor on mine
[20:13] <Upu> but I expect the battery voltage to dop
[20:13] <Upu> drop
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[20:14] <jededu> Indeed
[20:14] <F1VJQ> dip dip dip... we'll dop dop dop
[20:14] <LeoBodnar> try going into Configure -> Modems -> Cont' and set Tune Margin to say 100
[20:14] <jededu> But it is sealed in a nice poly egg
[20:15] <Upu> ah ok thats good
[20:15] <ProSpectre> nice night, nice flight. nuff for today.
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[20:16] <F1VJQ> LeoBodnar done that now... lost last 2 blocks bad decode
[20:16] <LeoBodnar> ok
[20:17] <mikestir> mfa298: LeoBodnar: I can see it becoming very hard to recruit decent embedded engineers in the future
[20:17] <LeoBodnar> well that's the best you can do - thanks for tracking anyway
[20:17] <F1VJQ> I suspect I'll lose it soon anyway... so over to the Montpelier trackers
[20:18] <LeoBodnar> it's mostly manufacturers' problem
[20:18] <LeoBodnar> they must be in total dispare
[20:19] <LeoBodnar> you can see general level of knowledge on the support forums
[20:19] <mfa298> mikestir: probably depends a bit on the communities people find. Hopefully we generate a few good engineers from here (but I'm not sure there's much hope for the people that only find the arduino / RPi forums)
[20:21] <F1VJQ> LeoBodnar it's drifting LF 200Hz during transmission of a block.... I can't decode... so thanks for the flypast!
[20:22] <mfa298> not that I'm sure I'd call myself an embedded engineer (but at least I know my knowledge is limited)
[20:26] <LeoBodnar> my pleasure F1VJQ
[20:27] <jededu> Looks like SLEET is cooling
[20:28] <F1VJQ> LeoBodnar I got another few greens so I'll stick with it for now
[20:28] <LeoBodnar> yep, you can see it on battery level
[20:29] <Upu> yup
[20:29] <Upu> and alt
[20:29] <Upu> you put an AA on this jededu
[20:29] <Upu> ?
[20:30] <jededu> Yes new lithium
[20:30] <Upu> super
[20:30] <Upu> will be fine then
[20:30] <Upu> even if it gets to -60
[20:31] <LeoBodnar> flotastic
[20:32] <Upu> well thats the longest float of a 100g I think
[20:33] <Upu> so if it goes all night it may rise and burst in the morning
[20:33] <Upu> if it doesn't I suspect we've opened a new era in floaty things
[20:33] <jededu> Cool joint effort :)
[20:33] <LeoBodnar> has it been blessed?
[20:34] <LeoBodnar> while you were pipe-shopping?
[20:34] <Upu> yeah Dave was praying to the balloon gods the other night
[20:34] <jededu> Cursed yes
[20:34] <Upu> look I have a pic
[20:34] <Upu> http://imgur.com/0I0qtRP
[20:35] <Upu> blessed is thy parachute
[20:35] <LeoBodnar> oh it's a tiny egg
[20:35] <Upu> may thou go up but not down unless thou down is preceeded by much up
[20:36] <arko> hahaha
[20:36] <LeoBodnar> bring the holy payload!
[20:36] <Upu> drifted down 500Hz
[20:36] <arko> the one brother maynard carries with him?
[20:36] <Upu> consult the book of avaiation authority
[20:36] <arko> brother maynard, bring out the hold payload!
[20:36] <arko> hahaha
[20:37] <arko> Thou shalt count to 3 before launching, no more, no less
[20:37] <LeoBodnar> lol
[20:37] <Upu> four is right out
[20:37] <arko> haha, i need to rewatch this now
[20:38] <LeoBodnar> indeed
[20:38] <Upu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM9Bynjh2Lk
[20:38] <arko> i think someone needs to photoshop in dave at the end of this http://the4faces.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Human-Evolution.jpg
[20:38] <Upu> thats funny because I though that too arko :)
[20:38] <arko> lol
[20:39] <arko> 2001 space odessey-like
[20:39] <Upu> lol
[20:39] <Upu> this video
[20:39] <Upu> "you silly sod"
[20:39] <arko> haha
[20:40] <arko> "he's got huge sharp.. he can leap..."
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[20:41] <arko> we better not risk another frontal assult, that rabbits dynamite
[20:42] <jededu> My wife is very understanding http://imgur.com/l5kIy5T
[20:42] <arko> hah
[20:42] <Upu> lol
[20:42] <LeoBodnar> which end arko ?
[20:43] <arko> haha
[20:43] <arko> i think the right
[20:44] <arko> shall snoff it...
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[20:49] <F1VJQ> LeoBodnar looks as if I've had my last green... partial just now gave lat/long as 43.2018,2.5386 - pity I'm the last one standing on tracking
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[20:53] <LeoBodnar> APRS should kick in soon F1VJQ
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[20:54] <F1VJQ> LeoBodnar OK great! at least we should know where it is!!
[20:55] <F1VJQ> I'll say goodnight then... 73
[20:56] <LeoBodnar> 73! thanks for your help
[20:56] <F1VJQ> ..
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[20:58] <astrobiologist> BeagleBone now £38 from Rapid... more ports and ADC than pi
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[21:01] <jededu> Oh SLEET has lost GPS lock
[21:01] <jededu> Back again :)
[21:05] <Upu> could be the cold getting to it
[21:05] <arko> the little hab that could
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[21:05] <jededu> It did it earlier at about 16:00
[21:06] <Upu> I have seen that before
[21:06] <Upu> note the status code
[21:07] <jededu> Nice board very stable have you tested the new pnp yet
[21:07] <Upu> 11 0001 switched back to max performance mode
[21:07] <Upu> then back to power saving once it regained lock
[21:08] <jededu> ahh i see
[21:08] <Upu> at least that bit works :)
[21:08] <Upu> not yet jededu
[21:09] <jededu> seems stable at 19000
[21:11] <Upu> for different values of stable
[21:13] <LeoBodnar> this is exciting
[21:14] <Upu> certainly not the most stable of floats
[21:16] <jededu> So what would you expect the variation to be
[21:16] <Upu> well compare it with B-63
[21:17] <Upu> +/- 1m/s
[21:17] <Upu> this is going -7 then back to +3
[21:19] <Upu> last time I saw a float like this was one of the really high altitude 1600g's they oscillated a lot before finally climbing and bursting
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[21:19] <jededu> True leo/latex ?
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[21:20] <Upu> Leo's is a foil I think
[21:20] <Upu> right dog walk
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[21:21] <craag> Has anyone played around much with the Dynamic Range Compression on the pi cam?
[21:21] <craag> sounds like it might be useful..
[21:22] <jededu> But it is floating :)
[21:23] <LeoBodnar> float is a float! osciallations or otherwise
[21:24] <mfa298> craag: that sounds like a pretty new feature
[21:24] <LeoBodnar> i would even apply a five second rule
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[21:24] <craag> mfa298: Yep, added on 20th june
[21:24] <craag> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=79622
[21:24] <craag> Dynamic Range Compression (DRC) options :
[21:24] <craag> off,low,med,high
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[21:25] <mfa298> looks like it could be an interesting feature
[21:26] <craag> I'll try it on medium at the weekend.
[21:27] <craag> just on video though
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[21:30] <craag> Plan is for multiple flights, so can tweak it after the first one.
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[21:37] <Laurenceb> what happened to sp3osj
[21:37] <Laurenceb> very weird altitude
[21:37] <SA6BSS> its ben 6200-7100m all the days
[21:38] <Laurenceb> last day is very odd
[21:38] <SA6BSS> ah this morning
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[21:38] <SA6BSS> it was up down
[21:38] <mattbrejza> you can see how much shorter the night was on the 7th :P
[21:39] <jededu> Can you access live flight logs
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[21:43] <Upu> did anyone ever get a FCD tuning app working
[21:43] <Upu> so like hamlib
[21:43] <mfa298> I think Geoff-G8DHE_ had it working with sdr-radio and rigcat
[21:44] <Geoff-G8-> I use RIGCAT with SDR-Radio works OK.
[21:44] <LeoBodnar> you can hear GPS warming the TCXO and it drifting up
[21:44] <LeoBodnar> and voltage sagging
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[21:45] <LeoBodnar> on SLEET
[21:45] <Upu> I suspect its cold
[21:46] <Upu> very cold
[21:48] <LeoBodnar> -55C or so
[21:48] <LeoBodnar> 2x RFM22 cold
[21:49] <Upu> heh
[21:49] <craag> lol
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[21:49] <craag> new unit of measurement :)
[21:50] <bertrik> DutchMillbt: I'm seeing a digital FM signal right on top of 434.4 MHz, are you seeing that too?
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[21:57] <jededu> upu does your p9 have temp
[21:57] <Upu> no
[21:57] <Upu> not worked out the code yet
[21:57] <Upu> well I have but it hangs when I use it
[21:58] <bertrik> What's a p9?
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[22:00] <Upu> my board
[22:00] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=675
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[22:03] <bertrik> thanks for the link
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[22:08] <daveake> Anyone lost this? http://imgur.com/iPQIoq5
[22:09] <Geoff-G8-> Is that an SD card soldered to the board ?
[22:10] <daveake> looks like
[22:11] <craag> too neat to be one of mine
[22:11] <Laurenceb> thats the way to do it
[22:11] <Laurenceb> who needs connectors
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[22:18] <MightyMik> maybe power it up and see what it IDs as?
[22:19] <daveake> Well I don't have it, but yes if nobody claims soon I'll get it sent to me
[22:20] <jededu> SLEET alt seems a lot more stable now
[22:22] <Upu> great signal even if I do say so myself
[22:22] <jededu> It is no drift and 23db
[22:22] <daveake> That'll be the aerial wire I replaced :p
[22:23] <jededu> daveake nice gp wire
[22:23] <mattbrejza> well thats a microsd - sd adapter, so its kinda a connector :P
[22:23] <daveake> Those were Upu's :)
[22:23] <daveake> The aerial wire fell off
[22:24] <Laurenceb> daveake: sure its not from Rocketboy?
[22:25] <mattbrejza> dont suppose thers a back photo?
[22:25] <mattbrejza> if its a PIC then seems likely :P
[22:25] <Laurenceb> the radio module looks like one of his
[22:26] <mattbrejza> there are a couple of little things a first timer probably wouldt do
[22:26] <mattbrejza> eg the jumper to turn it on without opening it up
[22:26] <mattbrejza> soldering batteries rather than a holder
[22:27] <mattbrejza> and its pretty neat in its uglyness :P
[22:27] <Laurenceb> i suspect rocketboy
[22:27] <mfa298> could also be one of gonzo___'s (if not one of RocketBoy's)
[22:27] <Laurenceb> that unusual grounded perfboard is stuff he uses
[22:27] <daveake> I've asked for a shot of the other side
[22:27] <craag> statistically it's likely to be rocketboy
[22:28] <daveake> haha
[22:28] <gonzo___> not mine
[22:28] <gonzo___> mine are dead bug
[22:28] <mfa298> do we know where it turned up (land or water)
[22:28] <craag> There's a good number of flights of his that aren't publicised I think.
[22:28] <Upu> I think its a Xaben
[22:29] <mattbrejza> interesting it has an sd card, and yet wasnt retrieved
[22:29] <mattbrejza> might have not been used oc
[22:29] <Upu> it will be the one that went AWOL
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[22:29] <Upu> anyway night all
[22:30] <jededu> nite
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[22:32] <daveake> mfa298 By the side of a road in North Beds
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[22:34] <jededu> Map showed a burst then !
[22:34] <mfa298> now we just need someone clever enough to query habitat for strings below 1000m from that sort of area
[22:35] <mfa298> although 434.500 is a Leo frequency. Surely Upu doesn't sell NTX2B's on that frequency any more :p
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[22:43] <gonzo___> the ntx2b has only been on upu's site for a short time
[22:44] <gonzo___> could that one be driect from the mfr?
[22:47] <daveake> I reckon is
[22:47] <daveake> it's XABEN69
[22:47] <daveake> Steve found the balloon but not tracker, and said "My best guess is that its being held hostage (J) near Riseley Bedfordshire "
[22:48] <mfa298> sounds plausible
[22:48] <daveake> That one was an NTX2B
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[22:49] <craag> Ah yes I remember that
[22:49] <craag> was right by the side of the road too
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[22:50] <daveake> I've emailed Steve.
[22:52] <daveake> OK, enough sleuthing for me </sherlock>
[22:52] <daveake> Need some sleep gotta get up at 4:30 :(
[22:52] <daveake> nn
[22:53] <mfa298> for 4:30 I'd be tempted to just drink coffee, hardly seems worth trying to get sleep :p
[22:53] <gonzo___> have a power nap
[22:53] <gonzo___> though I am going to do the real thing. gn
[22:55] <astrobiologist> I think I'll keep my habs under 30m. easier to retrieve
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[23:03] <astrobiologist> nite
[23:03] <astrobiologist> nite/quit
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[23:12] <fsphil> Sleet is doing a Leo -- it's staying just outside my range
[23:14] <arko> haha
[23:14] <fsphil> nice to see it floating
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[23:16] <fsphil> oh cool, just noticed that SP3OSJ might be heading this way
[23:22] <DL7AD> what type of balloon is SLEET?
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[23:24] <craag> 100g hwoyee
[23:26] <amell> thought there was another iSEE3 attempt today at some point?
[23:27] <amell> basically it looks like its out of gas? :(
[23:36] <as14af> Any indication when PE1RQM will get on?
[23:43] Action: amell notes the appearance of icarus near Cambridge yet again
[23:44] <mattbrejza> HI DIAL FOR ICARUS PLS THX 73s
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[23:45] <arko> im still waiting for B-62
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[23:45] <DL7AD> arko: haha :D
[23:45] <DL7AD> will take a while
[23:45] <DL7AD> if it will
[23:45] <arko> my hope is that leo sends on here to the US before i get to the uk
[23:46] <DL7AD> did you even espect this one year ago that there could be a floater in us launched in uk? :D
[23:46] <mattbrejza> you can take a radio on the plane and track it from mid air
[23:46] <mattbrejza> im sure no one would mind
[23:47] <amell> as long as its fully charged...
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[23:56] <steve_2e0vet> hi guys. my memory has got the better of me. who produces PCB's
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[23:59] <steve_2e0vet> anyone still awake
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