highaltitude.log.20140701

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[01:21] <N2NXZ> Can I bother someone with Arduino,NTX2 and Ublox max7 breakout questions?
[01:22] <N2NXZ> Is there Arduino code to use these components as a tracker available to public?
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[01:50] <N2NXZ> Can I bother someone with Arduino,NTX2 and Ublox max7 breakout questions? n2nxz at cmsdigital dot net
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[01:55] <MightyMik> it's early morning in the UK
[01:58] <lz1dev> you call 3am early morning
[01:58] <lz1dev> jeeez
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[03:33] <Ian_> N2NXZ look at the bottom of this page http://ava.upuaut.net/?page_id=199 for getting started with the NTX2B and Arduino, and then http://ukhas.org.uk/general:code for AVR code that might be of interest to you.
[03:35] <Ian_> None of it is considered to be a finished project, but gives you the building blocks which you will have to integrate to meet your own needs. Where in the world are you. People will be back about 1000Z/UTC
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[08:00] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
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[08:06] <Lunar_LanderU> lol sophos thinks Dave's Site has some HTML heuristics in an image
[08:07] <Lunar_LanderU> says it's a "high risk website"
[08:07] <daveake> p-in-the-sky.com?
[08:07] <daveake> +i
[08:07] <Lunar_LanderU> yes
[08:07] <daveake> Yeah Upu's fault :p
[08:07] <Lunar_LanderU> xD
[08:07] <Lunar_LanderU> what happened?
[08:08] <daveake> Someone else reported that. It's a false positive
[08:08] <Lunar_LanderU> https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/f211f876ed312388c8696ecf015b4d9f38d1e9852bff94d73198a2b32907b21c/analysis/1404202031/ only sophos complains
[08:08] <Lunar_LanderU> yeah
[08:08] <Lunar_LanderU> I figured, with HTML Gen A or however it is called only being heuristic anyway
[08:08] <Lunar_LanderU> pfft
[08:09] <Lunar_LanderU> OK, thanks for the talk, time for lecture :)
[08:09] <fsphil> so you infected his machine easy enough then daveake?
[08:10] <fsphil> ah crap, wrong channel ;)
[08:10] <daveake> there are other channels??
[08:10] <Lunar_LanderU> XD
[08:10] <fsphil> #habhub
[08:10] <fsphil> wait I can't do that, I'm not launching
[08:10] <Lunar_LanderU> OK folks
[08:10] <Lunar_LanderU> be backlater
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[08:11] <fsphil> cya
[08:12] <fsphil> sophos is starting to slow down our machines almost as well as mcafee or norton
[08:12] <daveake> it's reaching critical mass then
[08:13] <SpeedEvil> NASA is researching alternatives to parachutes - derived from nature.
[08:13] <SpeedEvil> http://news.sciencemag.org/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_article_l/public/sn-squirrel.jpg?itok=g2ik6t63
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[09:09] <jcoxon> morning all
[09:09] <fsphil> g'morn
[09:10] <nats`> <fsphil> [10:00:05] sophos is starting to slow down our machines almost as well as mcafee or norton <= still better than kasper
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[09:13] <fsphil> random -- a bit of Apollo 13 did reach the moon, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_13#mediaviewer/File:Apollo13-booster-crater.jpg
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[09:18] <fsphil> oh a late launch today
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[09:21] <gb73d> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#.U7J2IIHlbh4
[09:25] <fsphil> very atmospheric
[09:25] <gb73d> :)
[09:26] <fsphil> pun unintentional (just read what was launching)
[09:26] <fsphil> is that just mist?
[09:27] <fsphil> yea fog
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[09:40] <gb73d> CO2 !
[09:43] <daveake> We should do built-in countdown holds; no need for ISH
[09:44] <fsphil> just abandon the concept of time
[09:44] <daveake> that would also work :p
[09:44] <fsphil> it did. or it will. crap
[09:47] <jcoxon> i'd worry about gps if we abandoned time
[09:48] <fsphil> hmm. I've not thought this through
[09:48] <daveake> you've still got time
[09:50] <daveake> I look forward to the first court case where someone gets off a speeding charge because speed no longer exists
[09:50] <daveake> though not sure what I mean by "no longer" ....
[09:57] <gb73d> h2o surpression not owrking
[09:57] <fsphil> cancelled
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[10:11] <gb73d> scrubbed
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[10:11] <gb73d> gb73d out
[10:11] <lucasbuck> good morning
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[10:12] <lucasbuck> thanks for assistance yesterday with gps processing, im in a good place now :)
[10:24] <fsphil> good to hear
[10:36] <lucasbuck> combining all my other stuff now, then on to radio
[10:37] <lucasbuck> im excited about that bit
[10:56] <Reb-SM3ULC> what launch today?
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[11:07] <SA6BSS> CARS-1 - Chelmsford, UK - 01/07/14 19:30 ISH
[11:08] <SA6BSS> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/-_cKUPcnGp0
[11:08] <SA6BSS> if he goes for a floter its looks like it heading for us :)
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[11:42] <amell> loud :) http://i.imgur.com/gt1QgOY.png
[12:01] <fsphil> that your own?
[12:02] <FuzzyLemon> I'm having a few issues using gqrx and dlfldigi on a mac
[12:02] <FuzzyLemon> i think its the virtual audio cable. What's the best VAC to use?
[12:02] <FuzzyLemon> I have downloaded JackOSX but it's not coming up on the audio output settings in gqrx
[12:06] <amell> it is chrisstubbs flight ready to go home
[12:08] <amell> was planning to launch, but it conflicts frequency with CARS-1
[12:08] <amell> FuzzyLemon: Use Soundflower
[12:08] <fsphil> ah yes
[12:08] <fsphil> the hab relay
[12:08] <FuzzyLemon> ok thanks
[12:08] <amell> FuzzyLemon: http://cycling74.com/products/soundflower/ - use 1.6.6b on mavericks works fine, using it now.
[12:08] <amell> oh and I used it when recovering your payload too.
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[12:08] <FuzzyLemon> haha
[12:08] <amell> FuzzyLemon: how were the pictures? anything to share?
[12:09] <FuzzyLemon> yep! they were pretty cool: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10440894_10204140022006820_3769236237701553165_n.jpg
[12:09] <FuzzyLemon> i need to trim the polystyrene around the edges a bit more though
[12:09] <fsphil> little bit of misting
[12:09] <fsphil> was it in the enclosure?
[12:09] <amell> yes it was
[12:09] <amell> thats a nice pic
[12:09] <amell> clear
[12:09] Action: fsphil is tempted to correct the lens distortion
[12:09] <SA6BSS> some of you probably saw my post about a balloon found in the middle of sweden with a note on a couple of weeks ago, they have now located the four year old that sent it, he´s from Stoke-on-Trent, read about it here: http://www.aftonbladet.se/senastenytt/ttnyheter/inrikes/article19150472.ab
[12:09] <amell> Fuzzylemon: never before have I been in a cornfield in torrential rain at midnight. Pitch black too.
[12:09] <amell> SA6BSS: cant understand swedish. He should have put a tracker on it.
[12:09] <FuzzyLemon> sounds scary
[12:09] <amell> it was fun :)
[12:09] <SA6BSS> use google translate ;) he
[12:09] <FuzzyLemon> im glad you enjoyed it and very glad that you found it!
[12:09] <SA6BSS> he´s a haber to be
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[12:09] <Lunar_LanderU> yeah :)
[12:09] <Lunar_LanderU> B-63ß
[12:09] <Lunar_LanderU> ?
[12:09] <Lunar_LanderU> XD
[12:09] <amell> no way
[12:09] <amell> Lunar_LanderU: you had me checking..
[12:09] <mfa298> very curved earth
[12:09] <fsphil> curved more than I can easily correct
[12:09] <fsphil> I guess the enclosure is adding to it
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[12:09] <mfa298> amell: but no barbed wire fences to climb or cows in the field you're walking through. That makes it even more fun.
[12:09] <amell> I even had my hab hook ready for trees
[12:09] <amell> This is a 6m telescopic pole with three hooks on the end
[12:09] <fsphil> the tree tickler
[12:09] <daveake> The long arm of the law, aka special branch
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[12:11] <Tramvai> Hey guys, I return with more stupid questions.
[12:11] <amell> oh good
[12:11] <fsphil> if in doubt, 42
[12:11] <daveake> Those are our speciality so go ahead :)
[12:11] <daveake> Q. How many AAs in the average American payload?
[12:11] <daveake> A. 42
[12:12] <mfa298> stupid questions are usually only the ones that don't get asked and lead to silly mistakes
[12:12] <fsphil> 42V 42AH
[12:12] <Tramvai> I have a protoshield to which I want solder all of the components (NTX2, GPS etc)... but all the holes are not bridged and they're basically big enough for only one wire
[12:12] <amell> lol. didnt I once see a pic of a car battery being hoisted aloft?
[12:12] <Tramvai> How the hell am I supposed to bridge them?
[12:13] <fsphil> with wire
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[12:13] <amell> wirewrap, or use veroboard
[12:13] <daveake> I prefer the ones that have pads of 3 holes connected together
[12:13] <daveake> 3 is a number that works most of the time
[12:13] <Tramvai> I have some of them with 3 pads
[12:13] <Tramvai> But it's not enough for NTX2
[12:13] <daveake> You can bridge with wire
[12:14] <fsphil> that sounds handier than stripboard daveake
[12:14] <Tramvai> It won't fit into the holes
[12:14] <daveake> of a massive blob of solder :/
[12:14] <amell> make the holes bigger?
[12:14] <Tramvai> Wat
[12:14] <daveake> With the tr-piad thing, just join 2 strips then you have 4 holes not 3
[12:14] <jcoxon> Tramvai, which proto board do you have?
[12:15] <Tramvai> I picked up an image not too long ago from this channel and it blows my mind how that guy did it: http://i.imgur.com/lc7y0zf.png
[12:16] <fsphil> you probably can't see the mass of wire underneath
[12:16] <fsphil> that ntx2 antenna wire is quite near the socket
[12:16] <jcoxon> Tramvai, you don't need to poke the wires through the holes to solder them
[12:16] <Tramvai> I got the Protoshield V5 http://www.nexuscyber.com/content/images/thumbs/0000193_prototype-shield-v5-for-arduino-uno.jpeg
[12:16] <fsphil> gps antenna is also very near quite a lot of conductive bits
[12:17] <daveake> Use the holes for components, and run wires on the copper side if you don't have a spare hole
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[12:17] <daveake> This is the stuff I like to use http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/MFrey_PCB.JPG/400px-MFrey_PCB.JPG
[12:17] <Tramvai> Oh yeah, that's nice Dave
[12:18] <amell> is that the inside of fort knox?
[12:18] <daveake> Or there's the minimalist approach :p http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/DSCF7134-1024x768.jpg
[12:18] Nick change: SiC- -> SiC
[12:19] <Reb-SM3ULC> daveake: what's the button doing? :)
[12:20] <daveake> Waiting to be chopped off :)
[12:20] <daveake> That's the reset button on the Arduino Mini Pro
[12:20] <daveake> I'm surprised I didn't remove it before I started
[12:21] <amell> need to put a chute on a not-entirely-pico payload. is there any issue with just tying it on the bottom so its hanging down. expecting it to invert on descent.
[12:21] <amell> this is a small light plastic chute
[12:24] <Darkside> works fine
[12:24] <Darkside> just be aware if there's any wind, it'll add drag
[12:25] <amell> drag is fine.
[12:25] <Darkside> on ascent this is
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[12:27] <Lunar_LanderU> amell oh sorry :)
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[12:37] <Laurenceb_> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-zrjwSph/A
[12:37] <Laurenceb_> lold
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[12:43] <aadamson> Laurenceb_, I know that guy ;)
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[13:16] <DL7AD> hi
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[13:28] <amell> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-RNTxZB3/A how did he cut??
[13:32] <fsphil> some kind of computer controlled router probably
[13:34] <mattbrejza> a dremel and a steady hand
[13:34] <fsphil> dremel would have gone on fire before it finished
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[14:02] <mikestir-work> mattbrejza: that fm mode you tried - why afsk rather than just fsk with a wider deviation?
[14:03] <mattbrejza> fm radio rx
[14:03] <mikestir-work> yeah, but if you just use a 2.5 kHz deviation you'd still be able to use an fm rx
[14:03] <adamgreig> would you?
[14:03] <mikestir-work> yes
[14:03] <mattbrejza> would need whitening though?
[14:03] <mikestir-work> yes it would
[14:04] <mikestir-work> or maybe even apply a chipping sequence which might improve sensitivity
[14:04] <mikestir-work> given that the bitrate is presumably still quite low?
[14:04] <fsphil> not a bad idea
[14:04] <mikestir-work> I actually did something along these lines for my 3rd year university project, but on 10 GHz using gunn oscillators and old satellite bits
[14:04] <mikestir-work> analogue correlator
[14:04] <mikestir-work> it worked well
[14:05] <mattbrejza> im not sure that using a 2.5khz shift and rx with an fm radio would give better performance over afsk, but why not give it a go :P
[14:06] <mikestir-work> I'm not sure either, because I suspect both would be limited by some characteristic of the descriminator, but it would be interesting to try
[14:07] <mattbrejza> the main thing (ignoring the chipping for now) is that you would be looking for transitions in the time domain in your FM signal, and thats much more prone to interference than looking for transistions in frequencies
[14:07] <mattbrejza> although that assumes the signal strengths are the same, but then both cases are transmitting the same powre and the reciever has the same bandwidth
[14:08] <mikestir-work> but the data rate is lower for the afsk case
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> For FM demodulation, you are going to get all of the noise that is in the demodulators bandwidth affecting things
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> Even without interfering signals, you can have massive increases in noise over a narrow bandwidth decoder
[14:10] <mikestir-work> yes I think you'd need to do the chipping to make it work well - you need to have useful information filling the rx bandwidth
[14:10] <mikestir-work> I suppose in that respect you can kind of regard the afsk modem as a really bad spreading code
[14:10] <mikestir-work> it's still acting to widen the bandwidth
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[14:11] <mattbrejza> chipping helps against interference, not awgn?
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[14:12] <eroomde> in #hamaltitude
[14:13] <eroomde> er, #highaltitude
[14:13] <mattbrejza> #habhub
[14:15] <Maxell> #ukhasnet
[14:15] <eroomde> #fatfingers
[14:16] <UpuWork> long flight ?
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[14:17] <L-1011> hello
[14:20] <UpuWork> hi there
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[14:25] <eroomde> if anyone is on-the-fence about coming to the conference, i can help put you off further by giving a workshop
[14:25] <eroomde> i was thinking of talking about how you work with proper industrial or lab-grade sensors, for pressure and temperature
[14:25] <UpuWork> Yeah if you are considering coming to the conference it would really help us if you got your tickets sooner rather than later
[14:25] <UpuWork> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference2014
[14:25] <UpuWork> details thanks
[14:26] <eroomde> specifically all the analogue interface requirements to get you from the sensor to the adc, and how to avoid common pitfalls with using such techniques that mean that all the bits of your nice 16 bit ADC are actually carrying useful information
[14:27] <eroomde> rather than noise
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[14:29] <tweetBot1> @AMSAT_UK: Leo Bodnar M0XER-2 B-62 balloon 144.800 MHz APRS http://t.co/SuBtFvtx3l #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas #hab
[14:29] <mfa298> what we really need is a timetravel for beginners session so we can do all the interesting workshops at the conference
[14:32] <fsphil> sounds pretty interesting eroomde
[14:34] <eroomde> it's the sort of intro i'd give someone new at work, because instrumentation is integral to what we do
[14:34] <eroomde> and it's all pressures and temperatures here too
[14:35] <craag> I've just done a module on that sort of stuff - would be interesting to see how much Ed can teach me in an hour that I didn't get in a year.
[14:35] <eroomde> but it might be interesting if you've ever not really trusted what you sensors are telling you, and if you actually want to know the external temp and pressure say to 0.1% or some other value like that that we bandy about as 'instrumentation grade'
[14:36] <eroomde> especially things like differential pressure inside and outside a balloon
[14:36] <eroomde> to study floating and bursting
[14:36] <mattbrejza> this wasnt just due to my bad job of using a pt100?
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[14:36] <eroomde> as you might have tiny bouyant sinusoidal wobbles whose amplitude would be lost in the noise unless you designed it carefully
[14:36] <eroomde> mattbrejza, no!
[14:36] <eroomde> i was thinking about it last week
[14:36] <eroomde> but then your email catalysed it
[14:36] <mattbrejza> :P
[14:37] <eroomde> it's just one of those things where having someone give you the DL in an hour can really help a lot
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[14:37] <arjun_19> What would be the best iOS app for SMS tracking?
[14:37] <mattbrejza> the circuitry was fine (i think), just the sensor arrangment
[14:37] <mattbrejza> wouldnt use that lmp90080 next time, way too annoying
[14:37] <eroomde> it's really just about op amps, how to arrange them for certain things like input offset voltages, which leads to the instrumentation amp, how to do anti-aliasing, and a bunch of relevent real-op-amp parameters than can actually affect your readings, like input bias current
[14:38] <eroomde> and friends
[14:38] <mattbrejza> sounds good, these are all things easily ignored in datasheets
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[14:38] <eroomde> how to make decent constant current sources for things like pt-100
[14:38] <eroomde> how to use sense circuits to overcome voltage losses down long cables to bridge sensors
[14:38] <eroomde> all that kind of real-world instrumentation stuff
[14:39] <mattbrejza> it was wired in a way that ment variation in current didnt affect readings, the reference of the adc was derived from the same current source
[14:39] <eroomde> but also just 'what is a bridge sensor'
[14:40] <mattbrejza> i remember having that argument with adam
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[14:40] <eroomde> yes, i'll certainly be covering deriving excitation and ref from the same source
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[14:41] <eroomde> i'll see if i can bring some lab equipment to illustrate this stuff
[14:41] <eroomde> just the friday i'm talking at Wuthering Bytes which is Really North
[14:41] <eroomde> so it's gonna be a drive
[14:42] <mattbrejza> didnt feel like explaining everything with a few pages of maths?
[14:43] <eroomde> i try and keep the maths out of my talks
[14:43] <eroomde> save that for academic conferences
[14:43] <eroomde> i managed to do the gps talk with very little maths, i thought!
[14:43] <eroomde> apart from deriving the phase descriminator which i don't think you can do without trig
[14:45] <mattbrejza> tbh you should keep maths out of academic conferences too
[14:45] <mattbrejza> or at least much less than people put on their slides
[14:46] <eroomde> sure but you can assume maths
[14:46] <eroomde> that's the difference
[14:47] <eroomde> i can just say 'we take the conjugate of the fft and convolve it with your mum and that's the correlation' and people know what you mean
[14:47] <eroomde> sorry multiply it with your mum
[14:47] <mattbrejza> true
[14:49] <eroomde> whereas at theconf i tried to introduce correlation quite slowly
[14:51] <eroomde> and didn't even go there on multiplication of the freq domain
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[14:52] <eroomde> i think it all boils down to e and i whenever i try and explain stuff from scratch without assuming maths
[14:52] <eroomde> i've not really found a nice way to explain e or imaginary numbers
[14:52] <craag> erm quick random question: anyone know why gnu make would start trying to use a new .c source file as a Makefile? (and therefore throwing a tab-seperator error)
[14:52] <eroomde> but they underpin everything in the mathematical modelling of signals so it's quite limiting
[14:52] <eroomde> craag, that sounds mad
[14:53] <craag> my thoughts entirely :/
[14:53] <eroomde> does the problem go away if your explicitly call the makefile you want?
[14:53] <mfa298> the only way I can think of make doing that is if it was included someehow in the map file
[14:53] <eroomde> ( make -f MyMakefile )
[14:53] <craag> eroomde: No it does not
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[14:54] <eroomde> can you pastie the error?
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[14:54] <craag> $ make -f Makefile
[14:54] <craag> sourcefile.c:1: *** missing separator. Stop.
[14:55] <mfa298> the correct make file isn't trying to do dependency stuff is it (-M type flags in gcc from memory)
[14:56] <craag> It's a vanilla libopencm3 makefile
[14:57] <adamgreig> it's almost certainly not the error it's saying it is
[14:57] <eroomde> hmm
[14:57] <adamgreig> probably a stupid include thing
[14:57] <eroomde> can you paste that too?
[14:57] <eroomde> yeah
[14:57] <adamgreig> I remember battling with this rubbish before
[14:57] <adamgreig> make errors are the worst
[14:57] <eroomde> can you do cat -e -t -v Makefile ?
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[14:58] <adamgreig> it'l be like, it's referring to a makefile that doesn't exist, or wrong math, or something is bad
[14:58] <eroomde> that should show tabs with ^I
[14:58] <adamgreig> esp i've had this issue with locm3 before
[14:58] <adamgreig> it's probably not really a tab issue either, but worth being sure I guess
[14:58] <craag> It's a very fragmented makefile
[14:58] <adamgreig> I recommend following the locm3 instructions to the letter from scratch
[14:58] <adamgreig> including their instructions for making your own project
[14:58] <craag> and works perfectly with just one source file
[14:59] <UN7LAP> ?@8=8<0N -62. Loc MO13TD
[14:59] <craag> I'll have another read of that adamgreig
[14:59] <craag> thanks
[15:00] <adamgreig> i'm pretty sure i had this error before and it's always something way stupid and derpy that's nothing to do with what it said
[15:00] <craag> yep, never seen a useful make error yet :P
[15:01] <eroomde> i've had problems before i think when i didn't put quotes around some thing i was looking for
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[15:01] <eroomde> like finding c files
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[15:02] <eroomde> i forget exactly but something like *.c versus " *.c"
[15:03] <eroomde> but take it with a pinch of salt as i was sorta faffing till it worked and then i screwedthe lid on and said 'never open this box again'
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[15:04] <fsphil> libopencm3's makefiles are all over the place
[15:04] <la3eq> anyone know when the swedish balloon is going to be launched?
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[15:09] <eroomde> ttfn
[15:09] <mattbrejza> laters
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[15:21] <DL7AD> is it possible to record aprs by mobile phone?
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> If you mean 'do mobile phones have the appropriate radio to receive APRS - no.
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> Can they record audio from a suitable reciever or interface in some other way - if software allows, sure
[15:24] <craag> Can even decode audio with aprsdroid
[15:26] <un7lap> ?>4A:068B5 - 345 27OBL ?@>3@0<<=>5 >15A?5G5=85 4;O 70?8A8 8 45:>48@>20=8O APRS
[15:30] <L-1011> fucking hell
[15:31] <L-1011> what in the name of fuck is that?
[15:32] <mfa298> L-1011: can you watch your language please, some of us are easily offended and this should be a family friendly channel.
[15:34] <craag> un7lap: APRSISCE/32 for PC
[15:35] <craag> un7lap: You will also need a modem program, such as AGWPE
[15:36] <craag> soundcard -> AGWPE -> APRSISCE
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[15:38] <N2NXZ> http://www.ui-view.org/
[15:38] <N2NXZ> http://www.soundcardpacket.org/2agwbasic.htm
[15:38] <N2NXZ> Good combo for APRS :)
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[15:42] <un7lap> A?0A81>! 1C4C @0718@0BLAO
[15:43] <craag> :)
[15:45] <jcoxon> anyone seen this before? http://store.quintessentialuniversalbuildingdevice.com/product.php?id_product=144
[15:46] <jcoxon> good price
[15:47] <Ian_> [04:33] <Ian_> N2NXZ look at the bottom of this page http://ava.upuaut.net/?page_id=199 for getting started with the NTX2B and Arduino, and then http://ukhas.org.uk/general:code for AVR code that might be of interest to you. [04:35] <Ian_> None of it is considered to be a finished project, but gives you the building blocks which you will have to integrate to meet your own needs. Where in the world are you. People will be back abou
[15:48] <Ian_> N2NXZ did you get that earlier this morning and did it answer some of your question? The smart people are awake if you need more assistance now.
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[15:49] <mfa298> jcoxon: looks like it could be interesting and nice and cheap as a starting point
[15:50] <jcoxon> mfa298, the company has terrible reviews
[15:50] <jcoxon> from a customer service /shipping point of view
[15:52] <mfa298> flash forge seemed to have a decent reputation for support when I looked at things a while ago but several times more expensive (although that was for heated bed and 2x extruders)
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[15:55] <astrobiologist> hi all. is craag around?
[15:57] Action: craag tiptoes to the door
[15:57] <craag> what can I do for you astrobiologist ?
[15:58] <astrobiologist> hi craag, I have emailed you a box.net link
[15:59] <craag> ah cool, am at work, will look later tonight.
[15:59] <astrobiologist> thanks craag. It is basically just a test to see if it works
[15:59] <craag> ok one mo
[16:00] <L-1011> what is a good balloon for a beginner with puxing HT?
[16:04] <craag> astrobiologist: yep got the files
[16:05] <L-1011> answers on a postcard pls
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[16:05] <craag> L-1011: YOur balloon choice would be dictated by cost budget, payload weight, and desired peak altitude.
[16:06] <Ian_> Puxing HT is a hand held FM transceiver I guess? Answer, not a suitable device. Need something capable of using SSB modes.
[16:06] <craag> Ian_: He's in the states, so APRS could be used.
[16:06] <L-1011> craag yes i want all that
[16:06] <Ian_> Rgr thanks on that craag.
[16:06] <L-1011> it needs to go up high
[16:06] <L-1011> very high
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[16:07] <L-1011> payload is the puxing ht
[16:07] <craag> L-1011: You can play with the combination at: http://habhub.org/calc/
[16:07] <L-1011> higher the better i was told
[16:08] <L-1011> that was a crack head that said that too me though
[16:08] <craag> You should aim for >4.5m/s ascent rate
[16:08] <L-1011> why?
[16:08] <craag> ~5 is good
[16:09] <craag> less than that and the balloon *could* float
[16:09] <L-1011> why not more?
[16:09] <L-1011> i want it to float no?
[16:09] <craag> more and you're just wasting helium.
[16:09] <L-1011> i am going to use hydrogen
[16:09] <craag> float as if in, not burst, stay up there.
[16:10] <craag> Hydrogren is fine, you'll get higher if you put less gas in.
[16:10] <craag> For a given balloon
[16:10] <L-1011> ace
[16:10] <L-1011> what else do i need?
[16:10] <L-1011> how do i steer the balloon to the landing site?
[16:10] <craag> You don't
[16:10] <L-1011> huh?
[16:11] <astrobiologist2> hi craag I can see your acceptance of the folder invitation, all OK?
[16:11] <craag> You use the prediction tool to look at where the wind will take it
[16:11] <craag> L-1011: Read some of this: http://ukhas.org.uk/frontpage:guides
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[16:11] <craag> astrobiologist2: yep all good
[16:11] <L-1011> but someone might steal it
[16:11] <craag> L-1011: So you have to get to it quickly
[16:11] <craag> 'chasing' it
[16:12] <craag> have a read of the link that I posted. gtg.
[16:12] <L-1011> reading it now
[16:14] <astrobiologist2> craag looks like we are all set, I sent you a tweet saying I couldn't find your email address but obviously I did subsequently :-) when I have anything else in the folder I'll be in touch again.
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[16:57] <chrisstubbs> yay tonights primary payload is dead
[16:58] <chrisstubbs> lets see if the second one I just threw together works
[16:58] <mfa298> 1.5 hours til launch, that should be more than enough time to sort something
[17:01] <chrisstubbs> I want to leave in 15 mins :P
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[17:08] <chrisstubbs> yay backup payload has a fix
[17:09] <chrisstubbs> and so does the primary! yay!
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[17:15] <chrisstubbs> Can someone clear the test points fom CARS1 off the map ready for the launch please?
[17:15] <chrisstubbs> *from
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[17:16] Nick change: chrisstubbs -> cstubbs_gon_laun
[17:16] <cstubbs_gon_laun> dammit :P
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[17:21] <ProSpectre> hello
[17:29] <DL7AD_> hi
[17:30] <DL7AD_> nick DL7AD
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[17:52] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
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[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[18:26] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Fingers crossed the tracker gets its fix back when I get outside
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[18:28] <G8APZ> chrisstubbsM6EDF I'm listening around 300 - may hear before you let it go
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[18:31] <fsphil> launched?
[18:32] <G8APZ> fsphil can't hear it yet, and I'm not far away
[18:33] <G8APZ> Launch comms are usually neglibible from launch sites!
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[18:34] <amell> Agreed
[18:34] <amell> unheard here too.
[18:34] <fsphil> yea it's impossible to launch and irc well
[18:34] <G4MYS-Andy> good evening gentlemen... a dial freq will be good for CARS if anyone got a sniff of it yet ! Andy
[18:34] <amell> im seeing something faint at .311
[18:34] <amell> seems to be getting stronger
[18:35] <G4MYS-Andy> Many thanks
[18:35] <amell> im not sure if it is a balloon
[18:35] <amell> are others seeing it?
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[18:35] <G8APZ> 311 is a crap sig...always there
[18:36] <amell> who is it?
[18:36] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> the club are just doing notices
[18:36] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> should be up in 10/15 mins i hope!
[18:36] <G8APZ> I should hear it prior to launch chrisstubbsM6EDF
[18:36] <G8APZ> let me know when you switch on...
[18:36] <amell> sniffing around the backyard eh
[18:37] <amell> i can hear elsworth on the ground.
[18:37] <G8APZ> I hear something as if you are tweaking the QRG
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[18:37] <G8APZ> or it may just be sproggies
[18:37] <G6SUQ_Graham> what freq for the balloon from Chelmsford?
[18:37] <amell> .300
[18:38] <G6SUQ_Graham> tks
[18:38] <amell> supposedly
[18:38] <L-1011> what sort of balloon?
[18:38] <G8APZ> Callsign: CARS-1 Frequency: 434.300MHz Mode: RTTY, 50 Baud, 425Hz shift, 7 bit ASCII, 2 stop bits, no parity.
[18:38] <amell> this remains to be decided
[18:38] <L-1011> some random whacker balloon or something useful?
[18:38] <amell> foil or latex, that is the question
[18:38] <G8APZ> I hope to have yet another go at floating a foil, but may end up using a 100g pawan depending on wind conditions
[18:38] <amell> the decision was dependent on wind
[18:38] <G8APZ> end quote
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[18:39] <G4MYS-Andy> .300ISH? or .300 I wonder? look forward to tracking from a very sunny south coast
[18:39] <amell> Im wondering what the line at .311-312 is.
[18:39] <G8APZ> I'll give you dial reading as soon as I hear it Andy
[18:40] <L-1011> anyone ever had a balloon shot down?
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[18:41] <amell> its a lovely evening for balloons
[18:41] <G4MYS-Andy> G8APZ many thanks for the help and info Andy
[18:42] <LeoBodnar> L-1011: I had
[18:42] <daveake> exocet was it?
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[18:43] <amell> its 19.43
[18:43] <amell> launch was supposed to be at 19.30?
[18:43] <arko> we tried once
[18:44] <amell> most inconsiderate.
[18:44] <arko> https://www.flickr.com/photos/36181973@N00/5045206204/in/photostream/
[18:44] <amell> lol
[18:44] <G8APZ> 19:45 after club notices
[18:44] <arko> see that gun resting against the blue truck?
[18:44] <arko> that was a "in case of failure" gun
[18:44] <amell> thats an american thing.
[18:44] <LeoBodnar> they are having T-10 hold
[18:44] <arko> damn right its american
[18:45] <jcoxon> haha ar
[18:45] <jcoxon> arko,
[18:45] <arko> :)
[18:45] <fsphil> yee har
[18:45] <arko> the funny thing is that it really is a gun
[18:45] <arko> its what happens when you invite jeep/4x4 desert people to your hab launch
[18:45] <arko> i just asked them to not shoot it down, as tempting as it would be
[18:46] <LeoBodnar> also Americans had in Belarus
[18:46] <amell> someone in america showed me their anti aircraft gun. dual .50. I dont understand why people feel the need to keep this kind of weapon.
[18:46] <amell> but we know americans are strange like that
[18:46] <fsphil> compensating
[18:46] <arko> we are
[18:46] <arko> lol
[18:46] <arko> timing was excellent there
[18:46] <daveake> and in so so many ways :)
[18:46] <G8APZ> especially spelling!
[18:47] <LeoBodnar> it wasn't their fault
[18:47] <arko> Happy Canada Day everyone!
[18:47] <daveake> and imperial units
[18:47] <daveake> and driving on the wrong side of the road
[18:47] <arko> oy! you guys still use miles!
[18:47] <daveake> damn
[18:47] <arko> you mean the right side of the road?
[18:47] <arko> :)
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[18:47] <jcoxon> ooo i might track this flight
[18:47] <amell> hopefully your next president will have the guts to cut down guns
[18:47] <G4MYS-Andy> makes me wonder how they ( Americans ) can pronounce a word like Colour correctly when the U is left out !
[18:48] <arko> eh, i dont mind gun laws tbh
[18:48] <arko> criminals get them anyway
[18:48] <amell> what gun laws?!
[18:48] <arko> exactly?
[18:48] <amell> from our perspective its still the wild west over there
[18:48] <daveake> the one that says you have to have at least one?
[18:48] <amell> how many more children and teachers need to die?
[18:49] <arko> uh
[18:49] <arko> wut
[18:49] <fsphil> balloons n' stuff!
[18:50] <LeoBodnar> is politics slightly offtopic?
[18:50] <arko> yay!
[18:50] <amell> every time theres a killing spree, the president talks about gun control, and tries to put something in place, and fails.
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[18:50] <arko> Welcome to #highaltitude
[18:50] <fsphil> anyone know if they're launching with the foil or a latex?
[18:50] <amell> ok. i will get off my soapbox. balloons it is
[18:50] <daveake> I think the mail said "depends on weather"
[18:50] <amell> fsphil: undecided
[18:50] <fsphil> ah
[18:50] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> up
[18:50] <fsphil> the latex I might have a chance
[18:50] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> and has fix
[18:50] <G6SUQ_Graham> 'Mercans and their 'U's' - 'color', 'aluminum', and that country havinga war at the moment - Kraine.
[18:51] <G8APZ> WX is sunny still and cloud free here about 10 miles away
[18:51] <amell> G8APZ: you hear it?
[18:51] <G8APZ> noy yet
[18:51] <G8APZ> not yet
[18:51] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> omg so nearly in a tree
[18:51] <amell> it is .300 isnt it?
[18:52] <fsphil> d'oh!
[18:52] <Ron_G8FJG> .292
[18:52] <G8APZ> 292.5
[18:52] <fsphil> coming down
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[18:52] <DL7AD> evening
[18:53] <fsphil> and up again
[18:53] <fsphil> foil then :)
[18:53] Action: fsphil stands down receiver
[18:53] <amell> has it fallen down?
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[18:54] <L-1011_> latex
[18:54] <L-1011_> my gimp suit is made out of latex
[18:54] <amell> picture?
[18:54] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> it actually managed to curve around a tree
[18:54] <arko> any admins in here?
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[18:55] <G4MYS-Andy> dead centre of town?
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[18:56] <G8APZ> G4MYS-Andy You must be zoomed in!!
[18:57] <mfa298> DL7AD: I'm not sure you had enough __ in that nick ;)
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[18:57] <DL7AD> mfa298: hm....
[18:57] <DL7AD> no. not so far
[18:57] <amell> still not hearing it.
[18:58] <L-1011_> DL7AD are you running some irc war script?
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[18:58] <DL7AD> nope. quassel :D
[18:58] <L-1011_> perhaps ShowDowN Pr0 v12 or something?
[18:58] <G8APZ> amel it's below your horizon
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[18:59] <fsphil> I've an entire planet in the way
[18:59] <L-1011_> you can always count on a no code G8 to be upto something useless
[18:59] <DL7AD> is it right, CARS is a floater?
[18:59] <G8APZ> Piss off L-1011
[18:59] <fsphil> guys please
[18:59] <amell> L-1011_: have you taken your medication today?
[19:00] <L-1011_> G8APZ mind your languate sonny boi
[19:00] <L-1011_> language
[19:00] <amell> its on my horizon now
[19:01] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> okay talk time, brb
[19:01] <L-1011_> so how likely would it be that my balloon would get shot down?
[19:01] <arko> who's payload is CARS1?
[19:01] <daveake> ping jcoxon
[19:01] <amell> arko: chrisstubbs
[19:01] <arko> nice
[19:01] <DL7AD> floater?
[19:01] <arko> good luck chrisstubbsM6EDF
[19:02] <amell> not known
[19:02] <L-1011_> m6edf could be a pirate callsign
[19:02] <L-1011_> they are not on QRZ
[19:02] <G6SUQ_Graham> so could l-1011
[19:02] <G4MYS-Andy> L-1011 you do realise the G8s pre to the G8Ts sat a written exam so difficult many modern hams would not of even understood the question, the Code was just a pain to get an HF licence you know
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[19:03] <L-1011_> G4MYS-Andy ye but even after all that hard exams and stuff they were still to retarded to pass 12wpm morse exam
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[19:03] <L-1011_> maybe exam was not so hard afterall
[19:03] <amell> why on earth does anyone need to know morse. its 2014.
[19:04] <L-1011_> amell because
[19:04] <L-1011_> CW is the only mode worth using really
[19:04] <DL7AD> sure you still need morse :)
[19:04] <DL7AD> morse is simple and easy to generate
[19:04] <DL7AD> and you dont need a computer for it
[19:04] <amell> let me rephrase
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[19:05] <amell> why would a human need to learn morse
[19:05] <daveake> "human" might be the key word there
[19:05] <L-1011_> amell so they can make fun of no code lamer hams
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[19:05] <G4MYS-Andy> yes its simple to generate I agree but try and read it in your head error free for 5 minutes or 4 fault corrections thata what we had to do for what>?
[19:06] <L-1011_> G4MYS-Andy yes yes
[19:06] <L-1011_> you had to do it to keep CB'er sorts of the bands
[19:06] <L-1011_> now they even have a special licence for CB'ers on the ham bands
[19:06] <L-1011_> M3 and M6 callsigns
[19:07] <L-1011_> multiband CB is what we now have
[19:07] <G4MYS-Andy> one cpould of course done the US exams and wroye down 20WPM cw or as much as you could and do a multi question exam on what you think you heard! trust me it was more easy then a 12WPM British exam!
[19:07] <amell> still nothing but seeing something vague at .290
[19:07] <DL7AD> G4MYS-Andy: yes its not efficient but i would prefer it for a floater because of nobody has the software installed, they can even decode morse. and thrust me: there are too many persons out there who even are not able to install dlfldigi :/
[19:08] <G4MYS-Andy> because the exams were dumbed down?! thre RAE was far to difficult the CW did not help!
[19:08] <LeoBodnar> why are you talking to me in ASCII? [20:04] <L-1011_> CW is the only mode worth using really
[19:08] <mattbrejza> incoming http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/2009/10/custom_1256950366573_banhammer15gq9.jpg
[19:08] <amell> lol
[19:08] <arko> hahaha
[19:08] <fsphil> nice skirt
[19:08] Action: fsphil runs
[19:08] <arko> lol
[19:08] <daveake> lol
[19:09] <L-1011_> G4MYS-Andy you think foundation licence has helped?
[19:09] <LeoBodnar> yaaawn
[19:09] <amell> http://forums.steroid.com/attachments/diet-nutrition/120850d1330880118-chicken-banhammer%25u00252bforecast.gif
[19:09] <fsphil> anyway
[19:09] <fsphil> baloon in da air
[19:09] <ProSpectre> daveake: evening dave. are there plans to ad aprs to a future version of Pi in the Sky?
[19:09] <LeoBodnar> later becoming good
[19:09] <arko> chrisstubbsM6EDF: foil?
[19:09] <arko> oh wait
[19:09] <arko> latex, just read the backscroll
[19:09] <arko> derp
[19:09] <fsphil> ooh latex
[19:10] <fsphil> then there is hope
[19:10] <G8APZ> 434.293.1 for 1000Hz centre
[19:10] <arko> wait right?
[19:10] <L-1011_> the bulk of M3 callsign holders that i meet would never pass a 5wpm exam, they'd have to 1st learn how to read and write
[19:10] <arko> or did i misread
[19:10] <L-1011_> then learn morse
[19:10] <fsphil> it's ascending like a foil
[19:10] <arko> heh yeah
[19:10] <LeoBodnar> most hams i have met won't pass any exam
[19:10] <DL7AD> its foil
[19:10] <fsphil> though I guess any balloon would do that with a slow enough ascent rate
[19:10] <G4MYS-Andy> the foundation and the principle is off key to my mind bigger chunks of band and power for more learning incentive licening, seems they have given away to much for too little work but the damage is done now
[19:10] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: :D
[19:10] <daveake> ProSpectre Not planned currently
[19:10] <mattbrejza> trying to float a 100g latex?
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[19:11] <G8APZ> Hooray!
[19:11] <arko> and there it goes
[19:11] <G6SUQ_Graham> is there an emoticon for a round of applause?
[19:11] <arko> lol
[19:11] <daveake> probably
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[19:11] <arko> not often we see a kick/ban on #highaltitude
[19:11] <fsphil> I'm quite pleased it's so rare
[19:11] <daveake> But as a G6 you wouldn't get it :-) <-- joking
[19:11] <Upu> we don't get many trolls tbh
[19:12] <fsphil> makes a chance for IRC
[19:12] <G6SUQ_Graham> he will be back soon with another nick, be prepared
[19:12] <fsphil> change*
[19:12] <fsphil> he'll need a new IP address
[19:12] <fsphil> which to be fair isn't very difficult
[19:12] <G6SUQ_Graham> nice stable signal on CARS1, almost no drift
[19:12] <Upu> is for me :)
[19:12] <mfa298> I think he's been on a couple of IP's today
[19:12] <G8APZ> Just for the record, this no-code G8 has built a 10GHz SSB transverter from scratch, and runs 3w SSB on 24GHz GPS locked to withing 100Hz !
[19:12] <fsphil> hah
[19:12] <LeoBodnar> what if his grandma is launching? [20:12] <fsphil> he'll need a new IP address
[19:13] <daveake> No doubt if he does return it'll be pretty obvious pretty quickly
[19:13] <LeoBodnar> daveake: are you who i think you are?
[19:13] <G4MYS-Andy> which is waht I was teeying to say no code G8s like you and me built rigs! me 14Mhz 70 mhz 145 mhz & 70cm ! all while trying to learn CW !!
[19:13] <Laurenceb__> ahem
[19:13] <daveake> <_< ..... >_>
[19:14] <G8APZ> The clue is in the name LeoBodnar!
[19:14] <amell> http://famegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/funny-gifs-never-stop.gif
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[19:15] <G8APZ> There was a glitch in that telem packet
[19:15] <daveake> I wonder how long it takes to change IP address in morse
[19:15] <G8APZ> 650 - I noted that before... does it every 50
[19:15] <Ron_G8FJG> now watching the soccer
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[19:17] <G8APZ> G4MYS-Andy Indeed... my licence dates back to 1966 when there was no commercial kit for what we were allowed, ie 70cms and up...
[19:18] <G8APZ> G4MYS-Andy and I built a 70cm transistor converter then, with TIS88 - and a QQV03-20 tripler!! Those were the AM days too!
[19:18] <amell> still cant hear it. surprised.
[19:18] <chrisg7ogx> got bits here
[19:19] <G8APZ> nearly there then
[19:19] <amell> Dl7AD: your location appears to be incorrect
[19:19] <amell> i can see something on the waterfall but its a long way off decoding
[19:19] <G8APZ> WebSDR I think, amell
[19:20] <DL7AD> amell: changed that
[19:20] <amell> G8APZ: he wont be hearing this from sheffield!
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[19:23] <G4MYS-Andy> G8APZ I recall have a TIS 88 in a preamp and static neuked the thing! If I recall right you did not even have 2M at first?
[19:23] <amell> ive got the tones now. getting stronger
[19:23] <amell> no decodes yet
[19:23] <G4MYS-Andy> BTW no sniff of cars in Hampshire
[19:24] <amell> seems to be a bit more than 450 shift
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[19:25] <G8APZ> G4MYS-Andy yes, it was 420 Mc/s and up (sic)!
[19:25] <G8APZ> and subject nbr 55 City and Guilds
[19:25] <fsphil> I've a really old amateur radio book that talks about cycles
[19:25] <chrisg7ogx> i have shift 475 Hz here
[19:26] <amell> agreed.
[19:26] <fsphil> and most of the circuits use tubes
[19:26] <amell> just no decode yet
[19:26] <G8APZ> or valves as we knew them!
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[19:27] <fsphil> I suppose the circuits in the book are just as valid today as back then
[19:27] <G6SUQ_Graham> just as valid, but unable to get components(valves)
[19:27] <G8APZ> In essence yes..
[19:27] <G4MYS-Andy> if you can get the values but that also applies to trannies!
[19:28] <amell> hearing rtty fairly clearly now. no decode still
[19:28] <fsphil> Rv?
[19:29] <G8APZ> G6SUQ_Graham I had to get a couple of Eimab triodes last year. 8874 They stopped making them around 1992.... I got a couple of s/hand "pulls" but it cost me about £250
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[19:29] <G8APZ> Eimac
[19:30] <chrisg7ogx> first green
[19:30] <G6SUQ_Graham> does anyone still make valves?
[19:30] <G8APZ> I think there are a few still
[19:31] <G6SUQ_Graham> I remember somebody showing me a 4CX250B abt 20 years ago - not what I expected!
[19:32] <G8APZ> Edicron valves in Rapid listings
[19:32] <amell> clean lines but no decode through the noise :(
[19:32] <G8APZ> You should see some of the bigger ones like 8877!
[19:33] <G8APZ> New valves> http://www.rapidonline.com/Electronic-Components/Discrete-Semiconductors/Thermionic-Valves/Valves
[19:33] <chrisg7ogx> amell that was the same here conditions maybe?
[19:36] <G8APZ> Doubt it... amell usually has problems!
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[19:37] <amell> not normally this much
[19:37] <amell> two lines, pretty fking clear, no decode
[19:37] <G6SUQ_Graham> where are you Amell?
[19:37] <G8APZ> you are in line of sight so conditions don't come into it really
[19:38] <G8APZ> Mode: RTTY, 50 Baud, 470Hz shift, 7 bit ASCII, 2 stop bits, no parity.
[19:38] <G8APZ> have you tried Rv on/off ?
[19:38] <G4MYS-Andy> up its poped on 293.3!
[19:39] <amell> whats Rv for?
[19:39] <amell> got it now
[19:39] <amell> not green, but nearly.
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[19:39] <G8APZ> G4MYS-Andy yes.. same qrg as on launch
[19:39] <G8APZ> Rv reverses the mark/space
[19:40] <amell> well that helped a lot.
[19:40] <G4MYS-Andy> i can hear it and see it but only reds so far
[19:40] <G8APZ> don't use it unless you suspect you have it on when it should be off!
[19:41] <amell> keep getting reds now
[19:41] <amell> wish more people would use contesia, I would have had it long ago if so.
[19:42] <G8APZ> it's only 6km from me now! Wish it has a high intensity blinking LED!!
[19:42] <G4MYS-Andy> almost there:$$$$iS1<72,!911,516405X9,00.372400,2082,12,11,1.41,19*67ED $$$$CARS1773,194127,51.t29809,00.372740,2093,12,11,1.41,19*B469 $$$$CARS1,74,19>141,50.3887
[19:44] <G8APZ> it's where the LHR approach lanes are!
[19:46] <amell> finally.
[19:46] <amell> greenie weenie!
[19:47] <G8APZ> must be spinning... deep dip in sig and a RED at 5km!
[19:47] <G8APZ> block 800
[19:47] <amell> there was an interruption then
[19:47] <G8APZ> spoiled as usual!
[19:47] <G8APZ> every 50 it does that
[19:47] <G8APZ> same on Chris's last flight
[19:48] <G8APZ> must be a code bug
[19:48] <amell> really? better let chris know, bug or sometyhing?
[19:48] <G8APZ> I did tell him last time
[19:48] <amell> every 50 represents what time interval?
[19:49] <G8APZ> every 50 blocks
[19:49] <G8APZ> that glitch was on block 800
[19:49] <mclane_> he is probably resetting the RFM22b
[19:49] <mclane_> every 50 blocks
[19:50] <amell> wow. driftytown then
[19:51] <amell> battery voltage very variable. strange
[19:52] <amell> theres something wrong with the Vcc
[19:53] <G4MYS-Andy> connections tight or good soldering?
[19:53] <amell> loose connections would usually reset sentence counter
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[19:55] <G4MYS-Andy> well if you get it back... warm to room temp and use frost spray to stimulate fault perhaps!
[19:56] <jcoxon> yay, receiving in whitstable
[19:58] <G4MYS-Andy> this is what I am getting on greens in Southampton $$$$CARS1,842,195628,51.577000,00.365580,2793,12,11,1.38,15*7167 $$$$CARS1,843,195642,51.576401,00.364920,2807,12,11,1.41,15*8CAE $$$$CARS1,844,195651,51.576000,00.364510,2815,12,11,1.40,15*2ED9 $$$$CARS1,845,195704,51.575409,00.363950,2827,12,11,1.36,15*D896 $$$$CARS1,846,195718,51.574772,00.363360,2838,12,11,1.38,14*A893
[19:58] <amell> 850 interrupted.
[19:58] <Maxell> Floater right?
[19:59] <mclane_> yea that is the RFM22b reset
[19:59] <G4MYS-Andy> line 850 rx as: NZ8iS1,850,195812,51.572689,00.371440,2890,12,11,1.43,13*82C4
[19:59] <amell> ideally rtty should pause while resetting tx
[20:00] <mclane_> yea but dl-fldigi needs some time to resync probably
[20:02] <G8APZ> that's what an idle tone is for!
[20:05] <malgar> what kind of balloon is CARS?
[20:08] <G8APZ> I see a balloon on the map NERDTEST - seems to be flying, but perhaps someone feeding test telemetry?
[20:09] <amell> malgar: latex, float attempt
[20:09] <malgar> oh!
[20:09] <amell> what freq is nerdtest?
[20:10] <malgar> extimated float altitude?
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[20:11] <G8APZ> amell no idea - not sure it's a real flight either
[20:12] <jcoxon> is G0CXW on here?
[20:12] <jcoxon> or G8FEZ
[20:16] <G8APZ> NERDTEST track looks as though launched from an RAF airfield - I think I'll have a tune of the band!
[20:16] <amell> been looking, cant find anything yet
[20:16] <G4MYS-Andy> interesting !!!
[20:17] <G8APZ> Can't hear anything at the mo between 434.0 and 434.6
[20:18] <G4MYS-Andy> how about 868 Mhz?
[20:18] <amell> most curious
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[20:18] <G8APZ> Could be I suppose
[20:19] <amell> is the wind going that way? i didnt think it was
[20:19] <amell> cars is headed south
[20:19] <G8APZ> maybe someone playing back data as a test?
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[20:23] <Ron_G8FJG> I don't need the antenna now
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[20:27] <G8APZ> HABham1 seems to be all at sea!
[20:29] <amell> ne1 heard nerdtest yet?
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[20:30] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/sdrsharp-madness.png :D
[20:30] <G8APZ> updates stopped at 20:12
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[20:31] <amell> i love gqrx just wish i can bookmark freqs
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[20:35] <Reb-SM3ULC> jarod: :)
[20:36] <G6SUQ_Graham> jarod: that looks nice ... but a bit 'busy'! I have not used SDR# for a few months, it's changed a lot
[20:43] <Upu> wait is Nerd test actually up ?
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[20:44] <amell> Upu: we thought it might be a replay
[20:45] <G6SUQ_Graham> last mesage was a while ago, only 1 receiver
[20:45] <Upu> nothing seen here
[20:46] <amell> looks like we do have a low float
[20:46] <amell> 4.6k latex float for CARS-1
[20:47] <amell> nice
[20:48] <Upu> what frequency is CARS on ?
[20:48] <amell> .300
[20:48] <Upu> ta
[20:48] <amell> well. .292 on the dial
[20:49] <G4MYS-Andy> got 434.294.2Mhz
[20:49] <amell> is yours known accurate?
[20:49] <amell> which tone is that?
[20:50] <G4MYS-Andy> no it reads different to the Fairhaven, but Id of thought the yaesu was more correct!
[20:50] <Upu> Yaesu is likely to be accurate
[20:50] <amell> what do you have for the lower tone?
[20:50] <G4MYS-Andy> but a search +- 3kc of that should find it!
[20:51] <amell> yes, but I am trying to get my rtl calibrated
[20:51] <amell> i think its 79ppm error, but would like to verify. where are you taking the freq from?
[20:52] <amell> 294.2 is the midpoint between the tones?
[20:52] Action: mfa298 wonders if we need someone to being an accurate TX to the conference so that people can determine the error on their dongles (and potentially proper rigs)
[20:53] <G6SUQ_Graham> that would be a good idea
[20:53] <fsphil> they'd all be out again by the time we got home :)
[20:53] <amell> its also a question of where people are measuring from
[20:53] <G4MYS-Andy> 294.2 iguess is midpoint, with the tones on 700 &1200
[20:54] <amell> start of USB, or lower tone or upper tone or midpoint
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[20:54] <G4MYS-Andy> note its RTTYR USB on ur Rx
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[20:56] <amell> not sure what you mean
[20:56] <mfa298> amell: if we had an accurate TX set to transmit a simple carrier at 434.501 you can tune your TX to 434.500 and correct until the tone is at 1khz
[20:56] <Reb-SM3ULC> Upu: how do you import aprs => habhub?
[20:56] <Upu> I run a scrip
[20:56] <Upu> t
[20:56] <Upu> just ask and I can set it up
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[20:57] <Reb-SM3ULC> Upu: was just after decoder for aprs. trying to tie together thing to analyze receiving distances autoamticly
[20:57] <Reb-SM3ULC> *spellchekker*
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[20:59] <Upu> it just uses the aprs.fi API to import
[20:59] <Upu> its on github
[20:59] <Upu> https://github.com/rossengeorgiev/hab-tools
[20:59] <Reb-SM3ULC> Upu: ah
[21:02] <amell> getting a lot of red decodes now for some reason
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[21:09] <mauhen> Is CARS1 50 7 N 2 ?
[21:10] <steve_____> upu: have you managed to get interupt rtty working with pwm on your Arduino?
[21:10] Nick change: Willdude123 -> Flerb
[21:10] <steve_____> your examples use the 16 bit timer 1 for the interupts
[21:11] <steve_____> and pin 9 which also uses timer1
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[21:12] <amell> mauhen: yes
[21:13] <mauhen> thanks amell, I am not able to decode for some reason, I will have another go.
[21:15] <G4MYS-Andy> mauhen paste copy of what you are reading should look like this: $$$$CARS1,1202,211427,51.364090,00.474230,4627,11,11,1.26,3*7288 $$$$CARS1,1203,211441,51.363350,00.474760,4627,10,11,1.30,2*6774 $$$$CARS1,1204,211454,51.362671,00.475250,4628,9,11,1.31,2*9B5A
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[21:16] <chrisstubbs> We have float! :D
[21:17] <ibanezmatt13> nice :)
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[21:19] <fsphil> spy camera on the ssdv page? :)
[21:19] <chrisstubbs> haha just a quick demo at the end, forgot it was online ;)
[21:20] <LazyLeopard> Ah, the perils... ;)
[21:20] <chrisstubbs> Struggling to find my own payload here! Anyone got a dial?
[21:20] <chrisstubbs> plugging the antenna in would helo
[21:20] <chrisstubbs> help
[21:20] <Upu> yes steve_____
[21:20] <fsphil> haha
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> hi chrisstubbs
[21:20] <craag> evening Lunar_Lander
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> hi craag
[21:21] <Ron_G8FJG> 434.2937
[21:21] <chrisstubbs> got it on 434.294
[21:21] <fsphil> as bad as me spending 10 minutes searching for a signal, only to find out the FT817 had the wrong antenna port selected
[21:21] <chrisstubbs> done that! took me a while to work out why my SWR was so high
[21:21] <steve_____> did you use timer 1 for both the interupt and the pwmfreqency?
[21:21] <fsphil> NERDTEST an actual flight?
[21:21] <chrisstubbs> and nobody could hear me
[21:22] <chrisstubbs> just a test I was told fsphil
[21:22] <fsphil> ah
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[21:24] <steve_____> or just another pin
[21:27] <arko> chrisstubbs: nice flight so far :)
[21:29] <mauhen> Decoding ok now G4MYS Andy, trouble at this end.
[21:29] <G4MYS-Andy> Its over Bluebell hill near Wrotham - I can hear Radio 4 from that most days- not that I want too! in Southampton with an FM dipole at 10Magl
[21:29] <fsphil> nice float
[21:29] <chrisstubbs> Cheers arko, hope it stays up!
[21:29] <G8APZ> chrisstubbs a successful launch and flight.... and talk no doubt interesting... well done
[21:29] <G6SUQ_Graham> at this rate, by dawn it will be over the channel
[21:29] <arko> fairly low float altitude, but not bad
[21:29] <G4MYS-Andy> nice float and easy to decode many thanks
[21:29] <chrisstubbs> Payload is a little on the american side ;)
[21:30] <G6SUQ_Graham> extra large burger and fries as a payload?
[21:30] <G8APZ> go large for 50p?
[21:30] <chrisstubbs> I wish
[21:31] <G8APZ> american side - you mean fat and flabby?
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[21:36] <chrisstubbs> at last https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/Funny/pico.jpg
[21:36] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> Hey chrisstubbs
[21:36] <chrisstubbs> Evening Steve, how was the club night?
[21:36] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ_AFK -> Steve_G0TDJ
[21:36] <arko> thats my favorite
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[21:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> Club was good ut there was an unscheduled talk which meant I couldn't set up
[21:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm tracking now though
[21:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cracking signal here and I did get to show a couple of the club members. G8JZT is one of ours, on the tracking list
[21:38] <chrisstubbs> Great :)
[21:38] <fsphil> that pico needs more american flags
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[21:43] <S_Mark> Hey chrisstubbs
[21:43] <S_Mark> Hope your talk went well
[21:43] <chrisstubbs> Yeah it was great thanks, they seemed to enjoy it!
[21:45] Nick change: steve_____ -> Steve_M6SNK
[21:46] <Steve_M6SNK> upu: did you use timer 1 for both the interupt and pin 9 PWM? Or did you chng
[21:46] <Steve_M6SNK> ..change to another pin and timer
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[21:46] <G8APZ> chrisstubbs that "bug" is still there on every 50th block... corrupts as in 1350...
[21:47] <G8APZ> needs an idle tone when you do a reset
[21:47] <chrisstubbs> It's an intentional hard restart of the RFM22B
[21:47] <chrisstubbs> Yeah that would be a good idea tbh
[21:48] <Laurenceb__> needs more mc donalds happy meal
[21:48] <G8APZ> only needs a few seconds or so
[21:49] <G6SUQ_Graham> that US payload, they've reduced the weight by using a cardboard box; normally use a wooden one
[21:50] <arko> uh
[21:50] <G8APZ> they couldn't use an inflatebale hammer though, in case it burst!
[21:50] <arko> we usually use metal
[21:50] <arko> like steel
[21:50] <arko> or lead
[21:50] <arko> bus breaking strength
[21:50] <G8APZ> or old expended plutonium!
[21:50] <G6SUQ_Graham> and a parachute made of canvas
[21:50] <lz1dev> the good old expended plutonium based hab
[21:50] <G8APZ> and rope
[21:51] <G8APZ> plutonium to keep payload warm!
[21:51] <chrisstubbs> https://i.imgur.com/36s5f.gif
[21:51] <G6SUQ_Graham> and get the US satellites to track the plutonium
[21:51] <chrisstubbs> I found this looking for that image arko :P
[21:52] <arko> haha, yeah
[21:52] <arko> i think i still hold the record of the lightest flight in the US
[21:52] <G8APZ> that'll be the plutonium box!!
[21:52] <arko> about 12lbs
[21:53] <arko> or was it grams
[21:53] <daveake> overflow error in the conversion bot
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[21:53] <arko> haha
[21:54] <arko> i feel like i need to be wearing a nice suit and going door to door on saturday mornings asking people if they have heard the word "pico"
[21:54] <m0psx> chrisstubbs: Great talk tonight at CARS. Now back home and tracking CARS1
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[21:54] <G6SUQ_Graham> here's a rare gif of a US balloon landing - http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ukyArDkV--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18sisxe5x0x03gif.gif
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[21:55] <chrisstubbs> Evening m0psx, I enjoyed it! Happy with the float too :)
[21:58] <LeoBodnar> is it a rare gif of landing or gif of rare landing?
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[22:00] <fsphil> gifs where rare until imgur
[22:00] <mattbrejza> imgur should convert all gifs to webm
[22:00] <mattbrejza> the global internet traffic would half overnight
[22:01] <craag> http://www.gfycat.com/
[22:02] <fsphil> wish apple would support webm
[22:03] <G6SUQ_Graham> I cant get imgur to work this evening!
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[22:05] <fsphil> use youtube. help save the internet
[22:05] <mattbrejza> webm is a proper video codec though? same result?
[22:07] <fsphil> for while imgur isn't working
[22:07] <fsphil> wouldn't be too difficult for them to detect webm support and drop in the video file instead
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[22:07] <mattbrejza> well if their BW is reduced by about 5x perhaps it wont stop working :P
[22:08] <mattbrejza> persumably its easy enough to detect the browser and therefore its webm support, giving the appropriate file can then be achieved
[22:09] <mattbrejza> i just repeated what you said :P
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[22:11] <fsphil> they are apparently thinking about it
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[22:36] <m0psx> Photos of the launch of CARS1, taken this evening in Chelmsford: http://www.essexham.co.uk/news/cars1-hab.html
[22:41] <chrisstubbs> Very good Pete, is it okay if I reuse those?
[22:46] <G8APZ> very stable float Chris... how long will battery last?
[22:49] <m0psx> Of course Chris - feel free
[22:50] <m0psx> Happy to send hi-res versions as these are scaled down for web
[22:50] <m0psx> Will update the review to make it look neater - just wanted to get something out quickly for club attendees
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[22:52] <G8APZ> m0psx looked like a good gathering this evening... perhaps some extra converts to tracker ranks!
[22:54] <chrisstubbs> I probably should have measured the current of this new tracker ;)
[22:54] <chrisstubbs> Should be just ober 24 hours at a guesstimate
[22:54] <G8APZ> it looks as though the volts reported are varying a wee bit
[22:55] <G8APZ> still 25dB s/n here and freq very stable
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[22:59] <m0psx> G8APZ: Agreed - very keen crowd, and Chris did a good sales pitch for HAB... he's also demonstarted HAB at our training nights
[23:00] <G8APZ> chrisstubbs a good chance of French trackers being about tomorrow then...
[23:00] <G8APZ> they won't normally be up at this hour! 01:00 in France
[23:01] <G8APZ> Exit UK at Camber Sands by the look of it
[23:02] <chrisstubbs> It looks like we have a couple of french folk set up tracking already
[23:02] <chrisstubbs> the frequency is fairly stable at the moment, but of course thats due to change as it slowly cools down overnight
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[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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[23:12] <chrisstubbs> Right I better get going. Thanks to those who have tracked so far and thanks in advance to those staying tuned in tonight and tomorrow!
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[23:12] <G8APZ> chrisstubbs I'll be tracking as F1VJQ from SW France during the summer months... perhaps I'll get to see another of yours ! GN 73
[23:12] <tweetBot1> @AMSAT_UK: Thanks to Chris M6EDF for a superb talk and launch of CARS-1 (434.300 MHz USB) http://t.co/z3O6z0YK8W #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas
[23:16] <tweetBot1> @AMSAT_UK: See the real-time track of CARS-1 balloon 434.300 MHz USB FSK http://t.co/1e0YjX7Mus #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas
[23:28] <amell> oh. cars-1 was a foil. we got it competely wrong
[23:30] <G8APZ> CARS-1 passed over UK coast at Camber Sands at 23:21 utc
[23:31] <G8APZ> amell WE? :-)
[23:32] <G8APZ> at this rate it will be a 5hour channel crossing!
[23:33] <amell> well everyone was under the impression it was latex :)
[23:33] <amell> or maybe it was just me who got wrong end of stick
[23:35] <amell> just looking at the pictures of the event.
[23:35] <amell> surprised at audience, it isnt geriatric. I thought ham clubs were 90% silver tuners.
[23:39] <G8APZ> amell it's certainly true that there is less younger intake to the hobby than when I was young.
[23:39] <G8APZ> and I've been licenced 48 years!
[23:40] <amell> blimey
[23:40] <amell> did the callsigns get issued in order? G2, 3 4 etc?
[23:40] <G8APZ> 1966 - one of the early G8 s
[23:40] <amell> when was G4 issued?
[23:41] <G8APZ> amell... hard one that! The original licences were all the same class - that is morse and HF bands... and consisted of G2, G3, G6 and G8 two letter calls e.g G6CL
[23:42] <G8APZ> then the range was expanded to G2 and three letters e.g. G2AAA
[23:42] <G8APZ> and then G3 and three letters
[23:43] <amell> do 2 letter calls still exist?
[23:43] <G8APZ> there was a special dispensation without morse for TV licenses e.g. G3SRL/T for 420MHz up and TV vision and sound
[23:44] <G8APZ> I believe so, but not many if any belong to the original licensee.... often re-issued to their sons and grandsons
[23:45] <G8APZ> the TV dispensation enabled some to get on air with just the TV sound and no vision!
[23:45] <G8APZ> ie 70cm AM phone
[23:46] <amell> any reason why they wouldnt reissue licenses?
[23:46] <amell> to new hams
[23:46] <G8APZ> then in 1965 I think, they allowed a new Class B licence... morse free but access to 420MHz and up
[23:48] <G8APZ> amell probably they will not re-issue without a historic link.... I'd be bloody annoyed if I found that my grandad used to be G2GD and if I wanted to apply for it they had reissued to someone else unconnected
[23:48] <G8APZ> the 1965 Class B licences were G8 series.. and visitors to UK had G5 series and TV licences became G6 series
[23:49] <amell> what about G0?
[23:49] <G8APZ> G4 were issued after the G3 ran out....
[23:49] <G8APZ> G0 after the G4 ran out!
[23:50] <G8APZ> G6 TV licenses were withdrawn and G6 used after G8 ran out
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[23:50] <G8APZ> then G1 after G6 ran out and finally G7 when G1 ran out
[23:51] <G8APZ> G8, G6, G1, G7 all Class B
[23:51] <G8APZ> then they changed to M series... and Class B became FULL licence with access morse free to HF bands
[23:52] <amell> can you get a full license without morse now?
[23:53] <G8APZ> yes
[23:54] <G8APZ> there are three stages... foundation, intermediate and full
[23:54] <amell> yeah i know this bit
[23:54] <amell> 2e m0 etc
[23:56] <G8APZ> believe me, if you go through the stages in this hobby, you will learn a lot, and the radio thing will always be in your bnlood... at least it was and is for many of us who went VHF and UHF in the 60s 70s 80s
[23:56] <G8APZ> bnlood = blood
[23:58] <G8APZ> I was never interested in HF, apart from as a listener....my first intro to ham radio was on a short wave broadcast valve set that my grandfather had... the dial was marked around 40m and 20m as AMATEUR
[23:58] <G8APZ> and that was at age 10!!
[23:58] <G8APZ> 60 years ago
[23:59] <amell> will look into it, just hard to find somewhere to do exam without a club
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