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[06:21] <ProSpectre> mornin gents
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[07:26] <Reb-SM3ULC> aah
[07:26] <Reb-SM3ULC> B-60 aloft
[07:26] <SA6BSS> b-62 that is :)
[07:27] <SA6BSS> looks like it heading our eay
[07:27] <SA6BSS> *way
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[07:34] <DL7AD_mobile> Morning
[07:34] <PE2G> DL7AD_mobile: Morning
[07:35] <DL7AD_mobile> LeoBodnar wheres b61?
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[07:35] <DL7AD_mobile> Hi PE2G
[07:35] <LeoBodnar> in the North Sea
[07:35] <PE2G> DL7AD_mobile: Any chance for you to receive the Friedrichshafen balloon?
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[07:36] <DL7AD_mobile> PE2G sure. But im not going to launch it myself
[07:37] <DL7AD_mobile> Im gonna rrceive it from berlin
[07:38] <PE2G> DL7AD_mobile: OK. For me, range to Friedrichshafen is ~560 km
[07:39] <PE2G> Not sure if that will work at 300 baud
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[07:40] <DL7AD_mobile> PE2G but you did it once at 600 last tine
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[07:41] <PE2G> I think that was at 50 bd
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[07:42] <mikestir> that pulsed QRM is back this time on leo's frequency
[07:42] <mikestir> it's like it goes looking for habs
[07:42] <PE2G> DL7AD_mobile: The baud rate makes alot of difference here
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[07:43] <LeoBodnar> mikestir this is FM APRS telemetry
[07:43] <LeoBodnar> you can igate it if you wish
[07:43] <LeoBodnar> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FM0XER-2&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[07:44] <gonzo_m2> the friedrischafen balloon gone up?
[07:44] <mikestir> aprs on 434.5 over uk?
[07:44] <LeoBodnar> it's within ISM legal limits
[07:45] <Upu> haha
[07:45] <LeoBodnar> just like APRS over WiFi
[07:45] <mikestir> nothing wrong with that
[07:45] <LeoBodnar> indeed
[07:45] <PE2G> gonzo_m2: Expected launch time is 9 UTC
[07:47] <gonzo_m2> any info on where at the rally it will be?
[07:47] <mikestir> need a bit more height first, but I'll go up in the loft and retune the igate LeoBodnar
[07:47] <LeoBodnar> thanks
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[07:49] <DL7AD_mobile> What about b61 leo?
[07:49] <LeoBodnar> you have misssed it Sven lol
[07:49] <LeoBodnar> last week
[07:49] <DL7AD_mobile> Oh . Sure
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[07:50] <DL7AD_mobile> Too early in the morning for ne
[07:50] <LeoBodnar> we say Ni!
[07:50] <mclane_> DL7AD_mobile: good moring Sven - everything up & running for your launch?
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[07:51] <DL7AD_mobile> Yes. But i do not launch it myself. Its beeing launched for me in friedrichshafeb
[07:52] <DL7AD_mobile> I did not have the money to travel
[07:52] <mclane_> what is the expected altitude? (trying to run a prediction)
[07:52] <DL7AD_mobile> Instead i preferred to come to London
[07:52] <mclane_> ah - ok
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[07:53] <DL7AD_mobile> Ehm think it will be around 30k
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[07:53] <DL7AD_mobile> *about
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[07:53] <Horiz_Armstrong> Good morning all
[07:53] <DL7AD_mobile> Hi
[07:54] <Horiz_Armstrong> Weather in Walsall isn't very pretty but we should still be able launch.
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[07:56] <in3aqk> DL7AD the polarization is vertical?
[07:57] <DL7AD_mobile> Yes
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[08:19] <Horizon_Gnd_Staf> Hi, is anyone able to authorise a flight doc (we forgot to sort that out!)
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[08:20] <Upu> yes
[08:21] <Horizon_Gnd_Staf> Thanks Upu (its Adam012)
[08:21] <Upu> is it on spacenear ?
[08:21] <Upu> hi Adam
[08:21] <Horizon_Gnd_Staf> Shall I meet you over at habhub
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[08:21] <Upu> here is fine
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[08:23] <Horizon_Gnd_Staf> Okay, its Armstrong (I somehow managed not to copy/paste the flight doc number)
[08:23] <Horizon_Gnd_Staf> Thanks Upu!
[08:24] <Upu> Has it appeared on Spacenear.us sucessfully Adam ?
[08:24] <mikestir> yeah it's quite annoying how it changes page when you're trying to copy the doc number! it works if you press ctrl-c before you let go of the mouse button
[08:26] <Horizon_Gnd_Staf> We're just sealing the payload - will have it outside in a few secs...
[08:27] <Upu> its not on the map ?
[08:28] <mclane_> Friedrichshafen is online: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ballonprojekt
[08:28] <Horizon_Gnd_Staf> It has been under the guise of Gagarin (GGRN). We've just changed the broadcast ID
[08:28] <Upu> lets check it comes on the map before I approve
[08:28] <Upu> no lock atm
[08:29] Nick change: mikestir -> mikestir_M0MKS
[08:29] <daveake> GGRN was apparently over Saudi Arabia on SNUS a few days ago
[08:29] <daveake> Dunno if biug or GPS test
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[08:30] <Horizon_Gnd_Staf> First string passed!
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[08:33] <Horizon_Gnd_Staf> Hi Upu, several strings passed
[08:33] <daveake> There is something up but not sure it'll make any difference. From the logtail:
[08:33] <daveake> [2014-06-28 08:32:41,266] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Error while applying filter ('post', 2, 'normal', u'filters.common.invalid_gps_lock'): ValueError: ok should be a list
[08:33] <Upu> approved
[08:34] <Horizon_Gnd_Staf> Thanks Upu!
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[08:35] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM to all
[08:38] <Upu> morning Herman
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[08:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> Upu: morning any special today ??
[08:40] <Upu> two balloons up
[08:40] <Herman-PB0AHX> Upu: ok tnx
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[08:42] <gonzo_m> found the fdh launch people. not started inflating ywt
[08:42] <gonzo_m> yet
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[08:48] <DL7AD> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ballonprojekt friedrichshafen
[08:49] <tweetBot> @AKA2112: Live streaming of the 10am 434.400 MHz USB balloon launch at http://t.co/nGq7lYXHad #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas
[08:49] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: Live streaming of the 10am 434.400 MHz USB balloon launch at http://t.co/b2ABuj7GC5 #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas
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[08:52] <LeoBodnar> what's spacenear.us IP address?
[08:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good Morning Guys
[08:52] <LeoBodnar> my DNS seems to have packed in
[08:52] <mclane_> seems to be quite heavy the Friedrichshafen payload
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[08:53] <gonzo_m> a chain of 4 payloads by rhw looks
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[08:54] <G8KNN_> LeoBodnar: 77.75.187.11
[08:54] <LeoBodnar> thanks
[08:55] <gonzo_m> closing balloon and prepping payloads now
[08:55] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes first geen from B-62
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[08:55] <daveake> video stream still not online
[08:56] Nick change: G8KNN_ -> G8KNN
[08:57] <Martin_G4FUI> Dial frequency for B-62 anyone?
[08:57] <gonzo_m> i cant see any video stream kit
[08:57] <daveake> Wonder why it was tweeted then
[08:58] <G8KNN> Martin_G4FUI: the usual 434.500
[08:58] <Herman-PB0AHX> B62 is 434.500 here
[08:58] <gonzo_m> correction. ustream is up
[08:59] <Martin_G4FUI> Thanks - that's where I'm looking ...
[08:59] <gonzo_m> ustream.tv/channel/ballonprojekt
[08:59] <daveake> gonzo_m, Well the link from the tweet is to their homepage which has an embedded justin.tv channel, offline
[09:00] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: ah I will start RX here too
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[09:00] <daveake> Oh sorry I'm talking about project horizon which was tweeted
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[09:00] <gonzo_m> ok. only usi g phone here. limited screen size
[09:01] <gonzo_m> lose history
[09:01] <daveake> s'ok :)
[09:01] <Martin_G4FUI> I have B-62 now thanks ...
[09:01] <daveake> grr annoying advert-supported streams
[09:02] <DL7AD> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ballonprojekt stream is online
[09:04] <daveake> lots of tape there :)
[09:04] <gonzo_m> yep. not seen amy tie wraps going in
[09:04] <daveake> Not seen a glove go up before :)
[09:05] <gonzo_m> the ustream looks to be a guy with tablet
[09:05] <gonzo_m> hhh nice
[09:05] <gonzo_m> wonder if they want to se it inflate at alt
[09:06] <gonzo_m> lots of 808 type cams on this
[09:07] <gonzo_m> the chute is pretty big. 2mtra dia ?
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[09:12] <DL7AD> ssdv is running but nobody is decoding
[09:12] <DL7AD> nobody set up the equipment there
[09:16] <mclane_> DL7AD: my equipment is up & running; but 300 km away
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[09:17] <fsphil> oooh lots of people
[09:17] <fsphil> this launch will go high!
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[09:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Anyone watching the Horizon Video?
[09:19] <DL7AD> mclane_: cool :)
[09:21] <mclane_> ustream is dead
[09:21] <gonzo_m> not surw why the delay. waiting for atc go?
[09:21] <mclane_> Thats what they have been talking about. They are close to 2 airports: Friedrichshafen and Zurich
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[09:25] <DL7AD> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=8&call=a%2FDL0TTM-1&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[09:25] <DL7AD> not launched yet
[09:25] <LeoBodnar> is stream online?
[09:25] <malgar> DL7AD: we are ready to receive you from italy
[09:25] <DL7AD> malgar: cool
[09:25] <mclane_> LeoBodnar: no
[09:26] <DL7AD> launched
[09:27] <gonzo_m> yep. atc clearence delay
[09:27] <gonzo_m> smooth launch. barely a breath of wind here
[09:28] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: RevSpace only doing partials yet
[09:28] <malgar> I don't see it on the map
[09:28] <DL7AD> malgar: yes nobody is streaming the data
[09:28] <mfa298> LeoBodnar: I've just helped ibanezmatt13 fix a similar issue by changing his dns servers to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
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[09:29] <DL7AD> malgar: you could be the first one receiving it
[09:29] <malgar> DL7AD: why? don't you have a rx station there?
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[09:29] <DL7AD> no
[09:29] <DL7AD> malgar: nobody did care about
[09:29] <DL7AD> there has been a testing running yesterday
[09:29] <DL7AD> but it seem to be nobody cares about *angry*
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[09:30] <Maxell> bertrik: Herman-PB0AHX: greens @ 302.3km, 0,5 degrees above horizon
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[09:30] <LeoBodnar> are you copying BALYOLO
[09:30] <malgar> 434.150 right?
[09:31] <LeoBodnar> thanks mfa298
[09:31] <DL7AD> malgar: yes +- 3khz probably
[09:31] <malgar> nothing at the moment
[09:32] <mclane_> where are you malgar?
[09:32] <malgar> estimated burst height?
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[09:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> Justin.tv is a no-go for Horizon, they are finding an alternativevideo streaming service
[09:32] <mfa298> *cough* batc *cough*
[09:32] <malgar> mclane_: trentino-sudtirol
[09:33] <malgar> italy
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[09:33] <mclane_> ok, similar distance like me
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[09:33] <mclane_> (Regensburg Germany)
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[09:34] <in3aqk> news about D5
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[09:34] <malgar> in3aqk: I'm on the mountain waiting for the signal
[09:34] <malgar> DL7AD: is the transmission continue?
[09:35] <DL7AD> should be
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[09:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: yes he is very loud here and 300 km from here
[09:37] <malgar> only noise now
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[09:37] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: What's the precise freq?
[09:38] <malgar> DL7AD: burst height?
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[09:38] <PE2G> Oh, I see traces already :)
[09:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: bij me 434.499.8
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[09:38] <PE2G> Thanks Herman-PB0AHX
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[09:39] <bertrik> B-62 is pretty high already, it's a floater, right?
[09:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> bertrik: i think so yes
[09:42] <PE2G> I get B-62 at -0.6 deg, 435 km: http://s29.postimg.org/f958g5pqv/Screen_28_06_14_11_40_19.png
[09:43] <Maxell> PE2G: hey no more windows I see
[09:43] <Maxell> nice dx
[09:43] <fsphil> checking if I can rx it
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[09:43] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: nice distance congrats
[09:43] <PE2G> Thanks. I think I've never had green decodes so far below the horizon before
[09:44] <PE2G> -0.5 deg in the meantime
[09:44] <in3aqk> D5 not in space near us
[09:44] <Maxell> PE2BZ
[09:44] <Maxell> new here!
[09:44] <fsphil> if contestia has no signal, does it not print anything?
[09:44] <fsphil> I'm getting no text appearing at all
[09:45] <Maxell> fsphil: yes that is true
[09:45] <Maxell> FEC also has checksum
[09:45] <Herman-PB0AHX> a few minutes than is must go listening Funcube i am later back
[09:45] <fsphil> neat
[09:45] <malgar> noise on D5 frequency
[09:45] <Maxell> fsphil: I do ocasonly get small FEC blobs like "WR@*^O?CQCJ4U";QBS>J:%)M!&AY;-U0<"
[09:45] <malgar> just noise
[09:45] <Maxell> Since random is random \o/
[09:45] <fsphil> yea I just did too
[09:45] <fsphil> &WY1D(
[09:45] <Maxell> lol
[09:46] <mclane__> DL7AD I have a signal - no decode yet
[09:46] <Maxell> special char in that fsphil ?
[09:46] <DL7AD> i was told D-5 has been transmitting at the launch
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[09:46] <fsphil> there is something on there that looks like B's beacon
[09:46] <fsphil> unlikely or I'd be getting rsid hits
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[09:47] <mclane__> getting stronger
[09:47] <Maxell> fsphil: contestia outpreforms rxid
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[09:48] <casper_> :)
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[09:49] <PE2G> Maxell: I'm moving from XP to Xubuntu. Gradually.
[09:50] <malgar> mclane_: are yoy receiving? partial decoding?
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[09:52] <DL7AD> D-5 has been received
[09:52] <PE2G> D-5 images: http://ssdv.habhub.org
[09:53] <tweetBot> @AKA2112: Project Horizon @horizonqmgs Fixed the valve, ready to launch soon! 434.400 MHz USB http://t.co/tlx3UK1EHl #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas
[09:53] <Maxell> PE2G: good work!
[09:53] <malgar> good
[09:53] <Maxell> PE2G: your life will only become easier after XP :P
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[09:54] <Herman-PB0AHX> i am now writing Funcube
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[09:56] <mclane__> partial decodes
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[09:57] <fsphil> B-62's getting further below my horzion now
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[09:58] <PE2G> Maxell: I hope so. I've already discovered that some apps in Xubuntu use IPv6 automagically
[09:58] <fsphil> most linux stuff works fine with ipv6
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[09:59] <Maxell> PE2G: yes you ISP XS4ALL has native IPv6. XP does not know about this ipv6 thing :P
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[10:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Looks like ARMSTG is up
[10:00] <malgar> still noise from D5
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[10:01] <Stuttgart> I can see D-5 now on the waterfall, but very week, about 270km away
[10:01] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: qrv 145,425 MHz FM?
[10:02] <Stuttgart> I only have an omnidirectional antenna
[10:02] <fsphil> Maxell: XP can be made to talk IPv6, but frankly I wouldn't risk putting XP online on any version of IP :)
[10:02] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: nee nu ff niet ben met Funcube bezig
[10:02] <PE2G> Maxell, fsphil Yeah, XS4ALL switched on IPv6 in my modem some weeks ago, and Xubuntu started using it without my intervention
[10:03] <fsphil> nice!
[10:03] <Herman-PB0AHX> max nog 3 minuten
[10:03] <fsphil> my ISP does native ipv6 too. it's hopefully becoming more common now
[10:04] <Horizon_Gnd_Staf> Armstrong launched
[10:04] <mclane__> I can decode image packets now, but no telemetry strings
[10:04] Nick change: Willdude123 -> Flerb
[10:04] <Horizon_Gnd_Staf> Packing up to chase, afk for a little while
[10:05] <mclane__> (--> fec is good!)
[10:05] <Maxell> fsphil: yeah but meh XP
[10:05] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: ok
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[10:05] <Maxell> PE2G: \o/ ipv6
[10:05] <fsphil> Maxell: agreed :)
[10:05] <fsphil> I did like XP at the time
[10:05] <fsphil> nice and simple
[10:05] <mclane__> first telemetry decode
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[10:06] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: i am now on 145.425
[10:06] <G8AFC> Anyone able to tell me the frequency for ARMSTRONG?
[10:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> 434.4
[10:08] <Herman-PB0AHX> i am back and writing B-62 agn
[10:08] <G8AFC> many thanks
[10:08] <mikestir_M0MKS> got armstrong, but needs more olivia
[10:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> AMSTG 434.400MHz RTTY 50bd 7n2 approx. 580Hz Shift
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[10:08] <mikestir_M0MKS> I make it 680 shift
[10:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK I was going with published figures. I can't hear it yet
[10:09] <mikestir_M0MKS> I have it weak on 434.4 for about 1500 Hz
[10:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll use that as a starting point - tks
[10:09] <mikestir_M0MKS> need to try to track down this pulsed QRM. I wonder if it's some of those radio controlled temporary traffic lights
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[10:10] <G8AFC> Receiving it now - not particularly strong though
[10:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Needs 5k more for me
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[10:11] <G3ZPF> video feed still offline or problems?
[10:11] <OM1ATS> Hello ! What is D-5 frequency, 434.150MHz ?
[10:11] <mclane__> yes
[10:11] <mikestir_M0MKS> it's going to need to be a lot stronger for me. it's on the same frequency I had to move WG2 from because of local crud
[10:11] <mclane__> maybe 1 kHz higher (according to my fcd+
[10:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> G3ZPF: The horizon team gave up with Justin.tv and were searching for an alternative last I heard
[10:12] <G3ZPF> oh ta
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[10:12] <malgar> SIGNAL from D5
[10:12] <malgar> not decoding
[10:13] <mikestir_M0MKS> that armstrong tracker could do with a shorter pause between bursts. it tends to cause the afc to drift
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[10:15] <craag> Steve_G0TDJ: They could use batc.tv..
[10:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep, I think that's a great idea Phil
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[10:16] <malgar> decoding!!
[10:16] <astrobiologist> good morning
[10:16] <PE2G> malgar: Congrats! 300 baud is more critical to signal quality
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[10:19] <G6SUQ_Graham> GM all, anyone with a precise freq for AMSTG, can't find it near 434.4
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[10:20] <mikestir_M0MKS> 434.400 at about 1.5khz
[10:20] <craag> Steve_G0TDJ: I'll put up a page on the wiki about how to use it. I think there's even a UKHAS account for it knocking around they could borrow (I won't write up the details of that).
[10:21] <mikestir_M0MKS> it's not that strong though G6SUQ_Graham
[10:22] <mclane__> no decodes anymore s/n has deteriorated
[10:24] <in3aqk> malgar 434.150?
[10:24] <Stuttgart> what s/n is needed, approximately, to decode RTTY 300?
[10:24] <G6SUQ_Graham> okay, thanks. Im well inside the blue circle, but nothing heard
[10:24] <malgar> in3aqk: yes, quite strong now
[10:25] <mclane__> I need about 20 dB
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[10:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> craag: Cool - That should help future attempts at video :-)
[10:25] <malgar> 19dB here
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[10:26] <Stuttgart> ok, thanks. i ony have 10-12db here, so probably no luck.
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[10:38] <Maxell> B-62 floating at 11,7 km? damn!
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[10:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: u are on 145.425 ??
[10:41] <G4BWR_Mark> Well thats annoying, getting partial decodes of Armstrong would get full decodes if it wasn't for some QRM smack dab on same freq.:(
[10:42] <G8APZ> No trace of AMSTG here
[10:43] <PE0SAT> Good day all
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[10:43] <PE0SAT> Any details on the B62 modulation
[10:43] <G8APZ> Contestia 64/1000
[10:43] <jarod> Maxell whats exact freq of b62?
[10:44] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE0SAT: on 434.499.8 contestia 64/1000
[10:44] <astrobiologist> can someone give me the URL of the mobile tracker please
[10:44] <PE0SAT> Hi Herman Thanks.
[10:44] <Darkside> habhub.org/mt
[10:44] <mikestir_M0MKS> habhub.org/mt
[10:44] <mikestir_M0MKS> snap
[10:44] <G8APZ> 501 for 1000Hz centre
[10:44] <astrobiologist> thank you!
[10:44] <jerry_> Hi all, what freq is Armstrong on, have been listening on 434.400 but nothing heard here
[10:45] <PE0SAT> The dl-fldigi auto config wasn't working
[10:45] <mikestir_M0MKS> it's on there jerry_
[10:45] <G6SUQ_Graham> AMSTG is very weak
[10:45] <jerry_> ok, thanks Mike
[10:46] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE0SAT: klopt u must config manual
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[10:46] <malgar> images are always green but data are red
[10:46] <malgar> why?
[10:47] <malgar> FEC?
[10:47] <mikestir_M0MKS> yes
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[10:47] <mikestir_M0MKS> images have embedded fec, telemetry doesn't
[10:47] <malgar> impressive
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[10:48] <gw0tqm> im getting rfi on 434.400 but its a cool experiment all the same
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[10:48] <G8APZ> cool experiment? What is it carrying?
[10:49] <malgar> signal is going down very often
[10:49] <malgar> what's happening
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[10:50] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[10:50] <Lunar_Lander> D-5 flies! yay!
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[10:51] <astrobiologist> the tab with the balloon data is taking up nearly all the screen on my mobile on the mobile tracker. how can I minimise this to see the map?
[10:51] <Maxell> jarod: < Herman-PB0AHX> PE0SAT: on 434.499.8 contestia 64/1000
[10:51] <jarod> Maxell: in dl fldigi
[10:52] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: I CQ'd there a few sec ago
[10:52] <jarod> i need to fill in locator JO... ?
[10:52] <Maxell> jarod: do don't
[10:52] <jarod> ?
[10:52] <Maxell> You are already setup with gps loc and altitude right?
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[10:52] <PE0SAT> Thanks Maxell
[10:52] <jarod> no, new install
[10:52] <PE0SAT> I had my first decodes
[10:53] <jarod> where do i fill in that?
[10:53] <LeoBodnar> jarod Lat/Lon in the format of +-DD.DDDD and altitude
[10:53] <Maxell> jarod: ok go to DL-client > configure
[10:53] <jarod> am..
[10:53] <Maxell> Tab location, put in gps location and altitude
[10:53] <G4BLH> AMSTG telemetry audible here at my location near Nelson, Lancashire (no decoder available here yet unfortunately)
[10:53] <Maxell> And at the operator tab you fill in op Jarod and some info about antenna and rx
[10:54] <Maxell> PE0SAT: nice \o/
[10:54] <jarod> tab location dont see :/
[10:54] <LeoBodnar> DL CLient tab first
[10:54] <Maxell> jarod: second row
[10:54] <Maxell> DL client, then second row tab location
[10:54] <jarod> ah!
[10:54] <jarod> got it
[10:55] <jarod> now all i need is a signal :)
[10:56] <Maxell> jarod: check upper side band dial at 434.500 mhz
[10:56] <Maxell> you should see pips
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[10:58] <Maxell> Also make sure to enable the rxid feature in dl-fldigi: it's on the main screen upper right corner.
[10:58] <Maxell> Click it so it shows a green box in it.
[10:58] <jarod> done, only thing needed?
[10:58] <g0wxi> what freq is AMSTR on please?
[10:59] <astrobiologist> trying mattbrejza's tracker app instead... where can I download .map files please?
[10:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> AMSTR on 434.400MHz g0wxi
[11:00] <mattbrejza> the app should have a link
[11:00] <mattbrejza> if youre on a pc and have java you can use hte desktop version instead
[11:00] <Maxell> jarod: do you hear or see the pips?
[11:00] <G6SUQ_Graham> now starting to get decodes from AMSTG
[11:00] <jarod> nop :/
[11:00] <g0wxi> thanks
[11:00] <mattbrejza> http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mfb2g09/decoder/decoder.jar
[11:01] <jarod> ya now!
[11:01] <Maxell> jarod: ok click the pips and the contesia demodulator will center around that qrg
[11:01] <Maxell> And it will decode, and upload the packet if checksum is corect
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[11:01] <Maxell> jarod: you are on the map now http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=B-62
[11:02] <jarod> too faint for decoding
[11:02] <jarod> and yes already saw
[11:02] <astrobiologist> thanks mattbrejza. it's my dodgy blackberry port. I can't get past the initial prompt for a file, presumably a .map?
[11:03] <mattbrejza> http://download.mapsforge.org/maps/europe/great_britain.map
[11:03] <Maxell> jarod: no, contesia requires no visable signal on the waterfall
[11:03] <PE2G> malgar: What's yr current freq for D-5?
[11:03] <Maxell> jarod: the pips are placemarkers, there is only a packet evey 5 minutes or so
[11:03] <jarod> ah
[11:03] <jarod> well pips i hear... but fading
[11:03] <Maxell> no problem for contestia
[11:04] <Maxell> Ok green packets here 12 sec ago: $$B-62,230,110229,140628,53.1188,1.294,11679,7,8,4.27,0.65*612D
[11:04] <astrobiologist> thanks mattbrejza, downloading now
[11:04] <LeoBodnar> jarod select Op Mode -> Contestia -> 64/1000
[11:05] <LeoBodnar> autoconfiguration selects DomEX
[11:05] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: oh yes I forget that :P
[11:05] <jarod> ah !
[11:06] <Maxell> However RXid might already have caught on
[11:06] <jarod> never heard of all these modes :)
[11:06] <jarod> nop it didn't
[11:06] <Maxell> jarod: olivia/contesia/domex are magicmodes
[11:06] <jarod> it matches now... now wait
[11:06] <Darkside> Maxell: not magic, just slow :-)
[11:06] <Darkside> and slow = reliable
[11:06] <Maxell> too bad most ham radio ops are not aware of this magic :P
[11:07] <adamgreig> pft, still miles off capacity :P
[11:07] <jarod> green!
[11:07] <jarod> lol magic
[11:07] <Maxell> lolol \o/
[11:07] <G8APZ> B-62 sending blocks about every 80 seconds
[11:07] <Maxell> Have fun tracking jarod
[11:08] <LeoBodnar> is SP3BAX a Polish callsign?
[11:08] <G8APZ> yes
[11:08] <mikestir_M0MKS> Maxell: I know - I don't think I've ever heard anything other than PSK and RTTY on HF
[11:08] <LeoBodnar> there is http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FSP3BAX-2 in the Netherlands
[11:08] <astrobiologist> I just blew a third of my monthly download limit from EE on a .map file for the U.K :-)
[11:08] <adamgreig> mikestir_M0MKS: sometimes I still hear phone ;)
[11:08] <LeoBodnar> and it seems to be there for at least a year
[11:09] <jarod> Maxell: http://x264.nl/dump/B-62-2014-06-28-green.png
[11:09] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: well on 20 meters there is some olivia activity... Made a qso there twice :P
[11:09] <mikestir_M0MKS> Darkside: the olivia mode I was using is faster than 50 baud rtty
[11:09] <Darkside> mikestir_M0MKS: sure, some are
[11:09] <LeoBodnar> I thought with CEPT you cannot operate from another country if you live there permanently
[11:09] <Darkside> not all of thm i think
[11:09] <jarod> and another :O
[11:09] <LeoBodnar> *with your home callsign
[11:09] <jarod> this really is magic
[11:10] <LeoBodnar> well done jarod
[11:10] <jarod> cant even hear it
[11:10] <jarod> lol
[11:10] <Maxell> jarod: nice, 1,6 degrees elevation is more then suffcient. RevSpace decoded it's first packet at 302.3km, 0,5 degrees above horizon
[11:11] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: yeah sb2bax lives in .nl :P
[11:11] <mikestir_M0MKS> Maxell: we should try an olivia qso and see how low the power can go
[11:11] <jarod> nice
[11:11] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: sure I can go on hf right now
[11:11] <mikestir_M0MKS> do it after armstrong comes down
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[11:12] <LeoBodnar> Maxell: i am just checking, our UK licence does not allow permanent operation from another country
[11:12] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: ok nice. I have fixed all problems I had a while back. (earth rod for counterpoise, shielded the usb sound card etc)
[11:12] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: yes it is not cept
[11:12] <Maxell> I can go with my novice to all other CEPT lands as long as I use the correct prefix
[11:13] <Maxell> sp3bax should use the pa/sb3bax prefox
[11:13] <jarod> cant wait to test this with the airspy :)
[11:14] <LeoBodnar> i don't have a problem with him not using it! XD
[11:15] <G8APZ> Maybe APRS has a problem with slash "/"
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[11:16] <G6SUQ_Graham> greens from AMSTG
[11:16] <jarod> what freq is that on?
[11:17] <G6SUQ_Graham> AMSTG is on 434.4
[11:17] <LeoBodnar> a lot of US APRS stations use random names as a callsign
[11:17] <G6SUQ_Graham> just normal RTTY
[11:17] <jarod> properly configed with the browser?
[11:17] <LeoBodnar> like MONDAM http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FMONDAM&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[11:18] <G6SUQ_Graham> jarod: sigs from AMSTG are only just reaching NK, and are very weak
[11:18] <LeoBodnar> it is not allowed in FROM field which also only 6 chars long [12:15] <G8APZ> Maybe APRS has a problem with slash "/"
[11:18] <jarod> ya, i saw nothing
[11:18] <G8APZ> B-62 is strong, AMSTG isn't even visible here so I assume bad horizon for me
[11:19] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar That'll be the reson then!
[11:19] <G8APZ> reason
[11:19] <LeoBodnar> heh yes
[11:19] <malgar> PE2G: 434.149
[11:19] <malgar> but it is not precise
[11:19] <LeoBodnar> i was curious if you can use home callsign when you live seemingly permanently elsewhere
[11:20] <malgar> my sdr is quite random :P
[11:20] <LeoBodnar> well, maybe it is temporary
[11:20] <LeoBodnar> say a student
[11:20] <PE2G> malgar: Thanks, got a few greens from D-5
[11:20] <bertrik> both D-5 and AMSTG are getting into range, choices have to be made ... :)
[11:22] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar I think the usual thing is that the prefix/homecall lasts for up to 3 month stays. After that you should apply to the host nation for a call
[11:23] <jarod> Maxell seems i got extremely lucky with those greens :)
[11:23] <LeoBodnar> this would make sense, i have recently passed the exams and there were few questions on that subject
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[11:25] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar Next week I become F1VJQ again... hope to see a B-** fly by!
[11:26] <LeoBodnar> if i recall right there was no time frame but the fact that it was temporary vsist. So following that i would say a student in a foreign uni can be considered staying temporarily for 5-6 years.
[11:26] <LeoBodnar> oh, do you get to keep G8APZ/F ?
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[11:27] <astrobiologist> I got the greatbritain.map downloaded ok and hab tracker is happy now. can someone give me a callsign of a balloon over the U.K right now to check it with?
[11:28] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: #Chelmsford Talk  Launching and Tracking of 434 MHz Balloons http://t.co/cyDOBgGVQA #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas
[11:28] <G6SUQ_Graham> astrobiologist: try AMSTG
[11:28] <PE2G> http://s7.postimg.org/ymofp2au3/Screen_28_06_14_13_27_23.png
[11:28] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar I operated as F/G8APZ prior to 2004 but when I started staying 3 months at a time, I qualified for a French Visitor call.... hence the V**
[11:29] <tweetBot> @AKA2112: #Chelmsford Talk  Launching and Tracking of 434 MHz Balloons July 1 http://t.co/K3DoHvGlN9 #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas
[11:29] <astrobiologist> thanks AMSTG
[11:29] <G8APZ> astrobiologist B-62 on 434.501 for 1000Hz centre
[11:29] <astrobiologist> thanks G8APZ
[11:31] <G8APZ> astrobiologist or AMSTG on 434.400 (though I cannot hear that one)
[11:32] <Maxell> jarod: yes but remeber there it nothing inbetween you and that balloon. the 10 mW output power is suffcient :)
[11:32] <astrobiologist> G8APZ I'm just checking the map etc for now. I might take the plunge and create a patch cable for my kenwood handheld later :-)
[11:32] <LeoBodnar> G8APZ: it's sad to see you leave - you pursued balloon tracking with vigour
[11:32] <Maxell> Being so high up is such an advantage
[11:34] <PE2G> D-5 looking bursty
[11:34] <astrobiologist> on my blackberry the screen is rather cramped between the balloon data fields and the map, but both work :-)
[11:34] <jarod> rtlsdr mini + usb extention cable = HUGE QRM, direct in computer = QRM free :O)
[11:35] <astrobiologist> a tribute to mattbrejza's app and weird blackberry porting :-)
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[11:36] <PE2G> http://s8.postimg.org/shfnhhdv9/Screen_28_06_14_13_34_53.png
[11:36] <malgar> burst
[11:38] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar I@ll be doing so from SW France until October! Then I'll be G8APZ again!
[11:38] <LeoBodnar> cool!
[11:39] <LeoBodnar> G-5 has some strange time
[11:39] <G8APZ> astrobiologist you need USB on your radio. FM won't do
[11:40] <Maxell> jarod: do those usb exenders work on usb 2.0?
[11:40] <Maxell> I know the galvanic seperarion ones dont
[11:40] <jarod> well i decoded the b-62 with it :0
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[11:42] <DL7AD> PE2G: i received almost correct packets here in berlin with a yagi
[11:42] <DL7AD> but got no single decode
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[11:42] <Maxell> jarod: well I wonder how better it will be of you get a funcube dongle with real filters on it
[11:42] <Maxell> or the habamp filter + amp
[11:42] <jarod> prefer airspy soon :)
[11:43] <PE2G> DL7AD: Yeah, 300 bd is difficult at long range
[11:43] <astrobiologist> G8APZ I do have USB
[11:44] <PE2G> DL7AD: I got a few good image decodes, but the position decodes went wrong almost all the time
[11:44] <LeoBodnar> he has a funky all-mode portable, we have seen the pics!
[11:44] <PE2G> DL7AD: As usual with 300 bd
[11:44] <Maxell> jarod: well sure but the airspy wont have bandpass filters.
[11:45] <Maxell> It will overload from other strong out of band signals.
[11:45] <Maxell> The increased dynamic range will help but nothing beats band pass filters :)
[11:46] <astrobiologist> LeoBodnar I would love to see if it works decoding hab, but I fear there is too limited view and too much qrm at work and in my flat
[11:46] <astrobiologist> but if something flew over london...
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[11:48] <malgar> $$D-5.°98,05:21:12,47.9$905,10.59634,12452,8*27C9
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[11:49] <mfa298> mattbrejza: Just tested your decoder on a Pi and it seems to be at least partially successful (it's not crashing)
[11:49] <astrobiologist> hello all. sorry, was in a tunnel
[11:51] <malgar> $D-5,282,05:12:
[11:51] <malgar> signal lost
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[11:52] <ist> nick DJ3AK
[11:53] <PE2G> malgar: you hung in there the longest :)
[11:53] <jarod> ok i fixed stereo mix in windows 8.1
[11:53] <jarod> now better decoding :)
[11:53] Nick change: ist -> DJ3AK
[11:53] <malgar> still decoding partially
[11:53] <malgar> þb<a$$$$$D-5,285,05:14:27,47
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[11:54] <malgar> $$D-5,286,05:14:5,436f6¶†F¾†
[11:55] <PE2G> malgar: disappearing behind the moutains...
[11:55] <malgar> yes
[11:55] <PE2G> *mountains
[11:55] <malgar> 3 dB
[11:55] <jarod> Maxell greens!
[11:55] <malgar> totally gone I think
[11:55] <jarod> $$B-62,278,115423,140628,53.3094,1.9159,11720,5,10,4.27,0.65*A63E
[11:56] <PE2G> Well done, malgar
[11:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> Back at keyboard - Can someone let me have a dial freq. for AMSTG please?
[11:56] <malgar> anyway I'm quite surpised that nobody is listening in Baviaria nw
[11:56] <malgar> no
[11:56] <malgar> now
[11:56] <Ron_G8FJG> 434.398
[11:57] <astrobiologist> going underground so bye for now
[11:57] <PE2G> malgar: Surprises me too
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[11:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ron_G8FJG: Cheeres, I see it
[11:57] <malgar> ok.. powering off everything :) see you and tnx for the fun
[11:58] <PE2G> See you later, malgar!
[11:58] <malgar> ciao
[11:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> Very weak, considering the alt.
[11:58] <Maxell> jarod: you should be getting greens all the time
[11:59] <jarod> ya getting better now... still fades
[11:59] <Maxell> Steve_G0TDJ: yeah not trace on the screen here too... And suffcient horizon circle
[12:00] <G8APZ> Steve_G0TDJ twice the altitude of B-62 which is romping in here, but zilch from AMSTG - perhaps local terrain obstructions here
[12:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Maxell: I'm within the green circle now. I can normally hear anything above 7k
[12:00] <Maxell> jarod: make or buy an 70cm specific antenna... Might also help getting other noise out
[12:00] <G8APZ> or perhaps it is transmitting into a dummy load!
[12:00] <Maxell> Steve_G0TDJ: makes you wonder...
[12:00] <jarod> dont use it enough for that, could try to fix a quick 70cm dipole? V or H ?
[12:00] <mfa298> I'm not sure AMSTG is that strong on the websdr either although I can't hear it as the audio is being sent to a Pi
[12:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Juat about getting partials
[12:01] <Maxell> jarod: vertical.
[12:01] <Maxell> Or yagi
[12:01] <Maxell> they are chep
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[12:01] <jarod> ya, using my dvb-t antenna now
[12:01] <jarod> its about directed to it :P
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[12:02] <Maxell> jarod: yeah but being so wideband also means it picks up non-hab stuff
[12:03] <Maxell> jarod: the antenna is the first filter, and if it's wideband it's a compromise.
[12:03] <Stuttgart> will switch to har ISS school contact in about 5 mins
[12:03] <Stuttgart> bye
[12:04] <Stuttgart> 145.800 MHz
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[12:07] <jarod> yap
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[12:08] <mikestir_M0MKS> s7 qrm on 145.800
[12:08] <mikestir_M0MKS> annoying
[12:09] <Maxell> jarod: however the airspy might prove to have suffcient dynamic range to make up for that..
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[12:09] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: how is AMSTG doing over there?
[12:11] <mikestir_M0MKS> still up
[12:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hearing voice traffic from ISS on 145.800MHz FM
[12:11] <mikestir_M0MKS> I can hear stuff doubling with the dead carrier
[12:11] <mikestir_M0MKS> unusable though
[12:13] <G6SUQ_Graham> I can hear ISS
[12:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good stuff Graham
[12:14] <G6SUQ_Graham> DP0ISS calling DN4OD
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[12:16] <G6SUQ_Graham> about to lose sigs from ISS, next pass is directly overhead London
[12:18] <G6UIM> Hi all can someone tell me the frequency for the AMSTG flight?
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[12:18] <Ron_G8FJG> 434.399 1khz center
[12:18] <G8APZ> Steve_G0TDJ I'd have thought I should hear AMSTG at 25km alt!! Very odd
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[12:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> G8APZ: It's wierd. Not a good signal at all
[12:19] <G6UIM> Thanks
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[12:22] <Ron_G8FJG_> BT interweb not a happy bunny today, keeps dumping me
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[12:23] <Ron_G8FJG_> no i haven't
[12:23] <M0ZBU> Picking up AMSTG well now from Essex on 434.400 but needed to increase RTTY carrier shift to 780 Hz.
[12:25] <G6UIM> Got the AMSTG now autoconfig gave me the wrong shift
[12:25] <Ron_G8FJG_> only running 700hz shift here
[12:26] <G6UIM> yes thats what I am using autoconfig gave me 580
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[12:28] <jarod> green! b-62 :)
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[12:35] <Maxell> what did I just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nblkknyBihU
[12:36] <Maxell> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lA93UBDOWk lolol
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[12:40] <G8APZ> Weird!
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[12:43] <Adam012> Hi all, the Armstrong chase team have stopped for a break.
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[12:45] <mikestir_M0MKS> you get bonus points if you can land in alton towers
[12:45] <G8APZ> Hot air balloon causes mayhem! >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-27971658
[12:45] <mikestir_M0MKS> G8APZ: saw that - I used to live around the corner from that road it landed on
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[12:51] <Mark_____> Test
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[12:51] <DL7AD_mobile> Ui
[12:51] <DL7AD_mobile> Hi
[12:52] <Mark_____> CQ, hi, this is my first visit to the HAS irc
[12:52] <mikestir_M0MKS> hi Mark_____
[12:52] <DL7AD_mobile> Hi mark
[12:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> Welcome Mark_____
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[12:53] <DL7AD_mobile> D5 has landed
[12:53] <Mark_____> Hi, I'm a newbie to the UKHAS and working on my first project. Learning lots and making good progres, generally. M6CKD
[12:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> What's your first project Mark_____ ?
[12:54] <mikestir_M0MKS> oh you posted on the list about building an arduino tracker
[12:55] <Mark_____> I would like to launch a HAB. I've got the gps side of business working and the TX, I'm struggling a bit with the arduino code in the middle. The UKHAS arduino to NTX2 tutorial has been an excellent start. V useful
[12:55] <Mark_____> Hi Mike, yep, that's me
[12:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> Mark_____: I looked at lots of peoples code, found the commond parts and cobbled soemthing together :-)
[12:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Please excuse my typing, it's got really bad lately
[12:58] <Maxell> Mark_____: already doing some tracking youself?
[12:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, I have tracked many payloads and I've designed two tracker boards
[12:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL I missed your name at the beginning of that Maxell
[13:01] <Mark_____> Hi Steve, that's what I'm going through right now. Sadly, I'm struggling to make progress though. I've got the GPS to send GGA sentences only, I can cut/paste code to test I'm sending good DOmEX 16 which works well, any help would be great. I need to sign off just now (school fete to go to). THanks for the first contact. 73s
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[13:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Mark_____: Drop me an e-mail steve@g0tdj.com
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[13:02] <Guest14921> hello guys
[13:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Welcome Guest
[13:03] <Guest14921> Hi Steve name paul G4HDS
[13:03] <Guest14921> what freq are the ballons using?
[13:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Paul - 434.398ish
[13:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Be quick, it won't be up for much longer :-)
[13:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> RTTY 50bd 7n2 700Hz shift
[13:04] <Guest14921> ok zero copy here at present
[13:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, not a very strong signal from that one
[13:04] <mikestir_M0MKS> and b62 is on 434.5 using contestia 64/1000 if you are over the east of the country
[13:05] <Guest14921> no up in wooly back country.. north northumberland hi
[13:05] <Guest14921> where is flight freq info listed so im ready for next time?
[13:05] <mikestir_M0MKS> mailing list
[13:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> The UKHAS Google Group is the mnormal place for announcements
[13:06] <Guest14921> ah thanks tryed looking on the ukhas site but found little info..
[13:06] <mikestir_M0MKS> b62 probably still be in range for you there
[13:06] <Guest14921> nothing on 434.500
[13:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's a bit of a specailised signal#
[13:07] <mikestir_M0MKS> yeah it will be weaker than the other one so if you can't copy that...
[13:07] <DL7AD_mobile> Its a bit below 434.5
[13:07] <Guest14921> explain please specialized?
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[13:07] <DL7AD_mobile> Probably
[13:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> Leo programs it to send pips for most of the way and telemetry in Contestia every 5mins
[13:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Whats the Alt record guys?
[13:08] <Guest14921> ok how far below 500?
[13:08] <G6SUQ_Graham> alt record is about 43k
[13:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Interesting Graham...
[13:09] <G8APZ> Steve_G0TDJ 38km and AMSTG still barely visible - I must have a serious local obstruction, or its antenna isn't much good!
[13:09] <G6SUQ_Graham> Guest14921: tune to 434.500 and check for the 'pips' in the waterfall
[13:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> G8APZ: It must be a problem on board since we all have difficulty
[13:09] <DL7AD_mobile> Guest14921 not sure. I cant receive it
[13:09] <Ron_G8FJG_> its 40 over this side of river...
[13:10] <Guest14921> ok graham tnx
[13:10] <G8APZ> Ron_G8FJG_ is that with a yagi and a clear view to the horizon?
[13:10] <G6SUQ_Graham> Guest14921: tune to 434.500, mode is USB, feed the audio into DL-FLDIGI
[13:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Guest14921: Make sure you are using the HAB version of DLFLDigi
[13:11] <Ron_G8FJG_> 15 ele yagi I dont get a clear view , down this well
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[13:11] <Reb-SM3ULC> Any preds for B62?
[13:11] <Guest14921> hi boys yes got correct version of fldigi running...
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[13:12] <Ron_G8FJG_> only 2 mtrs asl antenna 10 foot above ground
[13:12] <G6SUQ_Graham> Reb-SM3ULC: preds for B62! Hah! ... continuing north-east wards
[13:13] <Ron_G8FJG_> bang?
[13:13] <G8APZ> Ron_G8FJG_ OK - I have a vertical X-50 on a versatower (not wound up) and I'm on top of a ridge at 100m asl
[13:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> AMSTG Burst!
[13:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> Did they get above Felix's Alt?
[13:14] <Upu> ys
[13:14] <Upu> yes
[13:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool, Cheers Upu
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[13:16] <G6SUQ_Graham> Felix jumped from 38969m
[13:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ah! So maybe not then
[13:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> SO close
[13:17] <G6SUQ_Graham> 38969m says wickipedia
[13:19] <Maxell> Max. Altitude: 38915 m
[13:19] <Maxell> got to be kidding :P
[13:21] <G6SUQ_Graham> so ... Ted Bull still retains the record?
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[13:33] <G6SUQ_Graham> at least they won't have to drive far to recover AMSTG
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[13:37] <G8APZ> B-62 just passed 300km from here
[13:38] <G8APZ> still 0.9 elevation
[13:38] <fsphil> B-62 doing a very nice float
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[13:41] <Ron_G8FJG_> amstg gone for me
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[13:43] <SM5OCI> Data for B-62? 434.500MHz? Mode? APRS? It seems to be going to cross southern Sweden tonite.
[13:45] <mikestir_M0MKS> I can't chase amstg around quick enough
[13:45] <fsphil> contestia 64/1000
[13:45] <fsphil> on 434.500
[13:45] <fsphil> as well as aprs
[13:45] <SM5OCI> Ok, thanks.
[13:45] <fsphil> D-5 sent back a few nice images. lots of packet loss though
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[13:52] <PaulCDR> afternoon folks
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[13:53] <G8APZ> Anyone know what voltage Leo's tracker fails at?
[13:53] <PaulCDR> has anyone ever attached a buzzer to a payload for it to go off below a pre defined altitude
[13:55] <G6SUQ_Graham> not sure about a buzzer, but I thought that a strobe LED had been tried
[13:55] <mikestir_M0MKS> G8APZ: it's solar powered
[13:55] <G8APZ> OK - that helps a lot!
[13:56] <mikestir_M0MKS> most of the non-solar ones are using boost converters that work down to about 0.7V
[13:57] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: just got someone excited about habs over olivia Olivia 32-1K qso
[13:57] <mikestir_M0MKS> were they in ukraine or southern russia? :)
[13:58] <PaulCDR> i thought about a strobe, might not work too good if it lands with the strobe on the bottom
[13:58] <Maxell> No Gion, HB9HAE in Chur, Switzerland
[13:58] <mikestir_M0MKS> PaulCDR: you can DF the beacon on the ground
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[13:59] <Maxell> This is the third time the Olivia qso is really fun. I had three olivia qsos in total :P
[13:59] <PaulCDR> hey mikestir, not to sure what you mean by df the beacon
[13:59] <DL7AD_mobile> fsphil no real well and many educated stations here in germany.
[13:59] <G8APZ> DF = Direction Finding
[14:00] <mikestir_M0MKS> you can use a directional antenna to find the signal from the rtty tracker
[14:01] <mikestir_M0MKS> Maxell: give me qrg and put out a cq
[14:01] <PaulCDR> ahh, ok, i get you now. didnt have a directional antenna last time, that might have helped a lot too. Was thinking more of a backup
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[14:02] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: uh I will call cq on 14107.500
[14:02] <Maxell> in 14107.500
[14:02] <Maxell> Olivia 32-1K
[14:02] <Maxell> but first take a leak
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[14:03] <G8APZ> PaulCDR an audible bleeper will only help when you are within earshot. It may help in dense moorland heather but can't think of many situations where it would be useful
[14:03] <mikestir_M0MKS> ok. can't tx back yet because I need to rummage under the desk to plug the cable in
[14:05] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: dial is 14,106 MHz here
[14:05] <fsphil> making sure it's very bright helps. lots of florescent tape
[14:05] <PaulCDR> yeah, we used good old brown parcel tape. blended in quite well with the bog we landed in
[14:06] <PaulCDR> parachute was nice and bright though
[14:06] <mikestir_M0MKS> nothing heard Maxell
[14:07] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: 20 meters is not the right band for uk - nl
[14:07] <Maxell> We could do 40 meters
[14:07] <mikestir_M0MKS> ok
[14:07] <fsphil> I had silver on my first few -- didn't think ahead, it reflects its surroundings
[14:07] <PaulCDR> anyone recommend using an SLR for taking photos
[14:08] <mikestir_M0MKS> yes I'd recommend an slr
[14:08] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: dial 7.058 audio on 1500
[14:08] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: do you see BPSK31 ?:P
[14:09] <Maxell> domex now
[14:09] <mikestir_M0MKS> yeah got the domex
[14:09] <Maxell> oh 7.058 usb
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[14:10] <mikestir_M0MKS> got your rsid
[14:10] <PaulCDR> we used a nice and cheep canon off ebay. but would love to send up an SLR. but would want to make sure i could find it again. thats why im asking about buzzers. try to increase my chances of retrieval
[14:10] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: ok good news the 40 meter band works.
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[14:10] <mikestir_M0MKS> PD10DE?
[14:10] <mikestir_M0MKS> perfect copy
[14:11] <Maxell> yep thats me
[14:11] <Maxell> papa diode >:)
[14:11] <G8APZ> PaulCDR piezo LOUD beepers usually need 5v or more ... OK if you have plenty of volts left on landing!
[14:11] <mikestir_M0MKS> we'll try a qso in a bit - I'm having to walk around with the baby so I only have one free hand here :)
[14:11] <PaulCDR> was thinking of powering it on its own. and trigger it via the arduino
[14:12] <Maxell> hehe mikestir_M0MKS
[14:12] <mikestir_M0MKS> how much power Maxell?
[14:13] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: max 25 watts pep
[14:13] <Maxell> ish
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[14:13] <mfa298> PaulCDR: you might want to make sure you have a way of turning it off remotely (and possibly enabling it as well). I can imagine a buzzer could get annoying if it landed in someones tree and there was no way of disabling it.
[14:13] <Maxell> I could do the slowest contestia
[14:13] <Maxell> or olivia for even more fex
[14:13] <Maxell> fec
[14:13] <craag> or turbohab
[14:14] <craag> for binary packing and real fec
[14:14] <PaulCDR> yeah, mfa298, your right, some kind of kill switch on the outside would help
[14:15] <mfa298> PaulCDR: I'd probably go for remotely triggerable, switch isn't much good if you cant get to the payload and it's annoying the neighbours.
[14:16] <mfa298> there's also been a few instances of passers by picking up payloads when they've seen them so you may want to only have it triggered when your within range (say have something that you can trigger it when your within 500m)
[14:19] <mikestir_M0MKS> is that you doing slow mfsk Maxell?
[14:19] <PaulCDR> thats a valid point too i guess. any ideas on how to remotely trigger it? i have been able to make a mobile phone send text messages from an arduino, wonder can you make it read them too
[14:19] <mikestir_M0MKS> the rsid isn't working very well
[14:20] <mikestir_M0MKS> PaulCDR: use a pair of rfm22b modules or similar
[14:20] <craag> PaulCDR: You could use one of the DIY garage-door-opener radio fob kits
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[14:20] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: yeah all kind of funky modes now
[14:20] <Maxell> right now thor 2x50
[14:21] <Maxell> thos 35x4
[14:21] <Maxell> thor25x4
[14:21] <PaulCDR> thats a good idea craag
[14:21] <Maxell> Sounds like a slotmachine :P
[14:21] <mikestir_M0MKS> wow that's wide
[14:22] <G8APZ> craag don't they work on 433MHz? may be blocked by onboard tracker!
[14:22] <Maxell> moar
[14:22] <Maxell> olivia has this 2khz mode
[14:22] <mikestir_M0MKS> yeah my tracker can generate that
[14:22] <mikestir_M0MKS> I tried olivia 2/2000 - it's fast!
[14:23] <Maxell> is that a default?
[14:23] <Maxell> thor100 was also quite fast
[14:23] <PaulCDR> the rfm22b look cheep too. food for thought
[14:23] <mikestir_M0MKS> no but you can set it in custom
[14:23] <craag> G8APZ: They do, would need some testing to make sure it worked ok.
[14:23] <craag> The rfm22b needs a lot more programming to do the job.
[14:23] <mikestir_M0MKS> PaulCDR: you could use an 868 MHz rfm22b link to avoid blocking issues
[14:23] <mikestir_M0MKS> see also ciseco srf/xrf modules
[14:23] <Maxell> THOR100 incoming
[14:24] <Maxell> How well did that went?
[14:24] <Maxell> Not at all I presume
[14:24] <mikestir_M0MKS> rsid didn't detect it. lets try olivia 2/2000. I'll manully set that. stand by...
[14:25] <mikestir_M0MKS> ok ready
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[14:26] <Maxell> ok
[14:26] <Maxell> lemme set that
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[14:27] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: ok dial 7.058 mhz usb audio onn 1500 hz olivia 2/2000
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[14:28] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: anything?
[14:28] <mikestir_M0MKS> no. nothing really visible in the waterfall either though
[14:28] <Maxell> hmm
[14:28] <Maxell> lets try a default first
[14:29] <Maxell> 64-2k
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[14:29] <G8APZ> still receiving B-62 at 352km
[14:29] <G8APZ> elev 0.3
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[14:30] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[14:33] <G8APZ> DL7AD appears to be in UK on the map!
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[14:33] <mfa298> G8APZ: that may have been him using the websdr
[14:34] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: how about 16-2k?
[14:34] <mikestir_M0MKS> not seen anything for a while. maybe conditions have changed
[14:35] <G8APZ> mfa298 his icon is NW of Basingstoke
[14:35] <Maxell> 16-2k incoming
[14:35] <mfa298> that's about right for the websdr (websdr.suws.org.uk)
[14:36] <amell> gah nobody told me about b62 - no email announcement
[14:36] <mfa298> I've appeared faily close to there as well (M1ARI/J)
[14:36] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: coud now doing domex again
[14:37] <G6SUQ_Graham> amell: exactly! I keep telling leo about that, but nothing changes!
[14:37] <craag> G8APZ: The websdr is on a hill NW of basingstoke :)
[14:37] <amell> cant monitor irc all the time
[14:38] <amell> I think ive missed it. i cant see anything on my sdr
[14:38] <craag> amell: If there's one thing we can ever be certain of, it's that there'll be more ;)
[14:38] <mikestir_M0MKS> Maxell: barely audible now
[14:38] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: hmm
[14:38] <mikestir_M0MKS> band conditions must have changed a bit
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[14:38] <jiffe98> B-60 a lost cause?
[14:38] <amell> perhaps if leo cant announce them on email, can someone else annouce it?
[14:39] <craag> amell: http://isleoflying.com/
[14:39] <amell> that requires me to check.
[14:39] <amell> just need an email
[14:39] <mikestir_M0MKS> every time I read that is "isle of lying"
[14:39] <G6SUQ_Graham> isn't there a web-page or something? www.isLeoFlying or something like that
[14:39] <amell> leo is always flying, i need to know when there are NEW balloons, and by email
[14:40] <G6SUQ_Graham> exactly!
[14:40] <mikestir_M0MKS> python script to poll habitat for payload matching B[0-9]+
[14:40] <G6SUQ_Graham> maybe a suggestion - no tracking on Spacenear unless you announce flight before take-off
[14:40] <amell> thats not a bad idea
[14:41] <mikestir_M0MKS> a mailing list post triggered by flight doc approval
[14:41] <craag> Polling approved habitat flight docs might give you some more warning
[14:41] <mfa298> sounds like we have some volunteers to impliment the new spacenear.us
[14:41] <amell> yeah. how does leos flights appear on snus, does he send flight docs?
[14:42] <craag> You don't need a flight doc to appear on snus at the moment
[14:42] <Maxell> auto-approve, duh
[14:42] <craag> however that might change
[14:42] <mikestir_M0MKS> he appears in the auto config though so he must have a flight doc, no?
[14:42] <craag> (when amell and G6SUQ_Graham write the new spacenearus for us)
[14:42] <craag> mikestir_M0MKS: yep
[14:42] <Maxell> mikestir_M0MKS: ok I'm qrt now
[14:42] <mfa298> I think flight docs are generally done at lauch time +/- 1 hour
[14:43] <amell> if flights dont need to be approved, then what is this approval for?
[14:43] <craag> amell: For the dl-fldigi autoconfig
[14:43] <amell> definately missed it. how annoying
[14:43] <mfa298> amell: the aproval makes it easier to get data out from habitat and for dl-fldigi and the ical feed
[14:43] <craag> also ties in a payload doc, so even if someone goes and messes with the payload doc (making a new faulty one), it won't stop people decoding your payload
[14:43] <amell> whats this got to do with snus anyway? Im talking about just knowing when flights are launched.
[14:44] <mfa298> there has been talk (for a couple of years) of having flights only appear on the main snus page if theres an approved flight doc but that's still a work in progress
[14:46] <G8APZ> B-62 still decoding at 370km elev 0.2
[14:47] <jiffe98> maybe when google hangs their wifi balloons in these remote places they can hang an aprs receiver along with them
[14:47] <Ron_G8FJG_> thin blue line is on me ...382k lets see
[14:48] <Maxell> jiffe98: aprs igates yep
[14:48] <Maxell> and AIS recievers
[14:48] <Maxell> and ADSB recievers
[14:48] <Maxell> >:)
[14:48] <Maxell> afk
[14:48] <Ron_G8FJG_> dragged it out @386
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[14:51] <Ron_G8FJG_> must have a Hpol antenna in there somewhere
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[14:53] <G8APZ> first red at 378km
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[14:57] <G8APZ> now 0 elev and 382km green. Can't be long now before I lose it!
[14:57] <Ron_G8FJG_> think its gone at -0.1 394km
[14:58] <Ron_G8FJG_> its back 396
[14:58] <G8APZ> wow!
[14:58] <G8APZ> I'm on 384.4
[14:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> waiting for a signal here
[14:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 434.500 as usual right?
[14:59] <Ron_G8FJG_> I make it 434.500500 for 1khz centre
[15:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> tnx
[15:01] <Ron_G8FJG_> green @400!
[15:02] <G8APZ> OZ1SKY you will probably only just see it on w/fall but it still dcodes well at the edge of the circle!
[15:02] <G8APZ> Ron_G8FJG excellent!
[15:02] <Ron_G8FJG_> the blue line has long gone
[15:02] <G6SUQ_Graham> Ron_G8FJG_: you're doing well, my personal best was 435 kms on a RTTY sig
[15:04] <G8APZ> I'm on reds now... last green was 387.6km on a vertical X-50 colinear
[15:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> B62 in weak now
[15:05] <Ron_G8FJG_> Graham I got 598km from NI the other day
[15:05] <Ron_G8FJG_> !red @402 :-(
[15:05] <G8APZ> ooh! green again at 392
[15:05] <G8APZ> elev -0.1
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[15:07] <Ron_G8FJG_> I'll let it run , got to go ....cook a curry
[15:07] <fsphil> mmmm
[15:07] <G8APZ> OZ1SKY_Brian time to wake up the Swedes!
[15:08] <Ron_G8FJG_> I will go -0.2 407km
[15:09] <G8APZ> 395.2 elev -0.1 can't be long before I lose it too!
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[15:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> G8APZ yes abit later
[15:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Ahh first green from b62
[15:12] <G8APZ> Great! I have just lost it. so it is time for me to say bon voyage B-62 last green was 395.2
[15:12] <Ron_G8FJG_> I came back! 410km
[15:12] <G8APZ> good stuff
[15:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> First green at 438.2 -0.4deg
[15:14] <SA6BSS> got a qrg on b62
[15:14] <G8APZ> and just as I give up it reapperas green! 400.7
[15:14] <G8APZ> 401.5
[15:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SA6BSS tjena, 434500.3@1384 here
[15:15] <G6SUQ_Graham> SA6BSS: B62 is on 434.500 contestia 64/1000
[15:16] <SA6BSS> tackar !! remote from a hotel in gothenburgh :)
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[15:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SA6BSS just across the water then
[15:18] <SA6BSS> yep, verry close! should have brought a reciver and antenna :)
[15:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> RSID lock now
[15:18] <SA6BSS> close both to DK and the balloon
[15:19] <amell> wow theres an email now.
[15:19] <mattbrejza> must have got stuck in the tubes
[15:20] <amell> no it was just sent
[15:22] <G8APZ> OZ1SKY_Brian at the speed it is travelling, you'll have a very long spell on watch!
[15:23] <G8APZ> Heck, green again at 409km!
[15:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> G8APZ it would be pretty easy, as Leos flight are normally very freq stable, so it is pretty much automated with RSID :-)
[15:23] <G8APZ> yes, this one has not needed a dial tweak at all!
[15:23] <amell> just discovered arecibo has a 20 TERAwatt S-band tx.
[15:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no its has a good txco
[15:24] <mattbrejza> erp?
[15:24] <amell> boils birds good apparently if they fly through it.
[15:24] <amell> eirp
[15:24] <amell> occasionally sets birds on fire.
[15:25] <amell> and they have to be scraped off the dish
[15:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> there should be a no fly zone over that, when it on
[15:25] <G8APZ> No doubt I'll have to put a vertical yagi up to extend range... remarkable on a vertical to go to 411.8km now
[15:25] <G8APZ> -0.2 so well over horizon
[15:26] Action: amell wonders if a vertical yagi would actually receive anything
[15:26] <amell> presume you mean a horizontal yagi
[15:27] <G8APZ> no, vertical
[15:27] <amell> are you expecting something to pass directly overhead?
[15:27] <G8APZ> no... vertically polarised
[15:27] <amell> ah okay ;)
[15:28] <G8APZ> 414.8km and still decoding from the noise!
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[15:29] <amell> i might still be decoding, if i had been tuned in earlier. I cant pick out the pips in the noise now.
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[15:30] <G8APZ> 416.1 km -0.3
[15:31] <Ron_G8FJG_> just had quick look , last decode -0.3 @424km, back to curry
[15:33] <G8APZ> 420km -0.3 still green, but can barely hear it now!!
[15:42] <G8APZ> 427.5 -0.3 still green
[15:42] <G8APZ> Contestia is remarkably robust
[15:46] <G8APZ> Well that's it - it really has gone now!
[15:47] <LeoBodnar> very nice tracking spell G8APZ
[15:47] <LeoBodnar> is it just a stick?
[15:47] <G8APZ> or rather it's back! 434.7km -0.4
[15:48] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar yes a Diamond X-50 on a 17m versatower but it isn't wound up
[15:49] <G8APZ> no preamp, and about 20m of URM67 downlead
[15:49] <LeoBodnar> I have a hatch into a loft area in my flat, was going to stick some stick in there
[15:50] <G8APZ> They sure work well for what they are. Not sure how indoor antenna would fare on weak signals though
[15:51] <G8APZ> it's travelling slowly I think, latest decode 438km
[15:52] <PE2G> G8APZ: Congrats, you just beat my 435 km, earlier today!
[15:53] <LeoBodnar> it's for mid-range tracking setup
[15:53] <LeoBodnar> or even local
[15:53] <G8APZ> PE2G Brian in OZ is doing better - he gets sigs further out from blue ring!
[15:53] <LeoBodnar> 69km/h
[15:54] <G8APZ> it only seems to be slow when looking at small time periods!
[15:54] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar - how do you do PM on here?
[15:55] <LeoBodnar> /privmsg LeoBodnar Hi
[15:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> G8APZ i beat you by 200meters, lol
[15:55] <G8APZ> yes Brian... but it keeps coming back...just one more block needed!
[15:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol
[15:56] <PE2G> OZ1SKY_Brian: Cool! How far below the horizon was that?
[15:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> -0.4
[15:56] <PE2G> OK
[15:56] <G8APZ> -0.4 here too
[15:57] <G8APZ> 444.5km Beat you Brian!!
[15:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol congrats :-)
[15:58] <PE2G> G8APZ: Impressive
[15:59] <PE2G> Going to move my yagi form the western to the northern balcony now
[16:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> B-62 just came over the horizon now.
[16:02] <PE2G> OZ1SKY_Brian: You'll be in business for a long time, from now on :)
[16:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes it should pass me pretty close
[16:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> some 30km to the south (predicted)
[16:05] <PE2G> OZ1SKY_Brian: Ideal trajectory
[16:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> B-16 was better, with in 500meters :-)
[16:06] <PE2G> Heh
[16:07] <G8APZ> PE2G the elev was -0.5 on the last green....
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[16:08] <PE2G> G8APZ: That is great. I've never seen such performance with the other modes
[16:09] <SA6BSS> wonder what upu:s range is?
[16:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> B-16, sounds like ages ago, but its less than a year ago :-)
[16:09] <G8APZ> PE2G I think it is the best I've seen too. I usually lose the signals just north of the Dutch islands
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[16:11] <PE2G> G8APZ: And I don believe we have special atmospheric conditions today
[16:11] <PE2G> *don't
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[16:14] <DL5SFI_Steffen_> good evening
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[16:16] <G8APZ> PE2G It would be good to see a flight when there is a high level temp inversion
[16:17] <Upu> 478KM SA6BSS
[16:17] <Upu> Still getting RX
[16:18] <PE2G> G8APZ: Yeah, who knows what to expect then.
[16:18] <G8APZ> Upu is that with a yagi and preamp?
[16:18] <Upu> I suspect not for much longer though
[16:18] <Upu> yep
[16:19] <PE2G> Upu: how far below the horizon?
[16:19] <G8APZ> Excellent performance
[16:19] <Upu> 300m ASL which helps
[16:19] <Upu> -0.8
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[16:19] <Upu> Original FCD with a Habamp
[16:20] <steve_____> hiya
[16:20] <Upu> hi Steve underscore^2
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[16:20] <PE2G> Upu: very good indeed
[16:20] <steve_____> does anyone know the link on the UKHAS site detailing the carrier shift via resistors
[16:20] <on4bhm> can someone tell me how i can start tracking?
[16:20] <G8APZ> it is a proper RX dongle not the cheapo Chinky ones!
[16:21] <on4bhm> i'm listening to B52 at the moment
[16:21] <Upu> blea
[16:21] <G8APZ> 52?
[16:21] <G8APZ> 62!!
[16:21] <on4bhm> i mean 62
[16:21] <Upu> on4bhm http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[16:21] <steve_____> It looks like its been replaced by a PWM example
[16:21] <steve_____> ta
[16:21] <on4bhm> thanks
[16:21] <Upu> you need the dl-fldigi software on4bhm
[16:21] <Upu> it has steve_____
[16:22] <Upu> its generally a better way of doing it however
[16:22] <on4bhm> i'm using it right now
[16:22] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2?rev=1399496254
[16:22] <steve_____> yeah it seems more robust
[16:22] <Upu> oh ok
[16:22] <Upu> PWM I meant :)
[16:22] <Upu> on4bhm press the RXID button top right
[16:22] <SA6BSS> Upu: Nice!
[16:22] <steve_____> thats the page I was looking for :)
[16:22] <Upu> and it should auto select the right mode
[16:22] <Upu> contestia
[16:23] <steve_____> yes no need for the resistors
[16:23] <steve_____> GPS arrived the other day thanks ups
[16:23] <Upu> SA6BSS https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/HAM/Rotator/IMG_0796.JPG
[16:23] <Upu> no probs
[16:23] <steve_____> upu..
[16:24] <steve_____> it just dropped straight in to my circuit and no need for any code change
[16:24] <steve_____> perfect
[16:25] <fsphil> no fun :)
[16:27] <on4bhm> what must i do to see my antenna in space near us?
[16:27] <Upu> click dl-client
[16:27] <Upu> configure
[16:27] <G8APZ> on4bhm select flight and auto configure then in opMode change to Contestia 64/1000
[16:27] <Upu> dl-client tab
[16:27] <Upu> location subtab
[16:28] <Upu> click stationary listener and enter your location in decimal
[16:28] <Upu> save it
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[16:29] <LeoBodnar> location and altitude
[16:29] <on4bhm> can't find dl-client
[16:29] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/Y1eymnO.jpg why FEC is greatr
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[16:30] <LeoBodnar> on4bhm do you have dl-fldigi installed and open?
[16:30] <on4bhm> yes
[16:30] <G8APZ> Hab version
[16:30] <on4bhm> how can i tell?
[16:31] <LeoBodnar> in the menu next selection after "Help" should be "DL Client"
[16:31] <G8APZ> the screen icons should have one with "HAB mode"
[16:31] <on4bhm> no
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[16:31] <on4bhm> i think i have wrong version
[16:32] <LeoBodnar> how do you start dl-fldigi in HAB mode on windows?
[16:33] <LeoBodnar> on OS X it's default
[16:33] <G8APZ> Two icons installed on desktop in Windows... one says HAB mode
[16:33] <on4bhm> i'm on windows
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[16:36] <Upu> gone for me now
[16:36] <LeoBodnar> with the wind?
[16:36] <Upu> yup
[16:36] <Upu> very wind. Much breeze.
[16:36] Nick change: dk_ -> Guest17767
[16:36] <Guest17767> high guys on which frequency is B-62 working?
[16:37] <LeoBodnar> it's been pouring down here most of the day
[16:37] <LeoBodnar> i'm surprised i have managed to stick B-62 in between clouds
[16:38] <LeoBodnar> Guest17767: 434.500MHz USB, digital mode is Contestia 64/1000
[16:38] <Guest17767> OK thanks!
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[16:43] <astrobiologist> argh, it's a strawberry pip caught on that filling this time. must have word with dentist
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[16:44] Action: amell cant understand why FCD is being sold on many sites for 150-160 quid when they are 124 new.
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[16:54] <Ron_G8FJG_> G8APZ who won? my last good decode was no. 396 using Hpol......curry was good!
[16:55] <LeoBodnar> B-62 prediction http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/116813_trj001.gif
[16:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Ron_G8FJG_ G8APZ hold the record, for now :-)
[16:55] <Ron_G8FJG_> :-(
[16:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 444.5km
[16:56] <Ron_G8FJG_> 100 mtr heigth advantage...no sour grapes from me
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[16:56] <PE2G> Ron_G8FJG_: Upu had 478 km -0.8 deg
[16:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ho really, sorry then
[16:57] <Ron_G8FJG_> have to put the 4x19 up the stick
[16:58] <Ron_G8FJG_> Brian is the OZ 70cms beacon running ok
[16:59] <on4bhm> my antenna is still not visible on space near us
[16:59] <on4bhm> how come?
[16:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what beacon do you refer to?
[16:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oz7igy or?
[16:59] <on4bhm> ive got good decode from B62
[16:59] <Ron_G8FJG_> oz7igy
[16:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> on4bhm did you type in your location in dl.fldigi?
[16:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Ron_G8FJG_ ill check
[17:00] <on4bhm> yes i put in Lat and long and hight
[17:00] <mfa298> amell: I think on the FCD site that's £124 exVAT so around £150 inVAT
[17:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> on4bhm try and restart the software
[17:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Ron_G8FJG_ yes its running
[17:00] <Ron_G8FJG_> 432.471?
[17:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Ron_G8FJG_ mix of cw and digi
[17:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes
[17:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> JT65 mode and cw
[17:01] <amell> mfa298: ah. VAT! Im sure there must be a market for a product that sits between RTL and FCD in price...!
[17:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> did b-62 just jump in freq or is it my radio?
[17:02] <on4bhm> uploaded payload telemetry succesful
[17:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> on4bhm i see you on my map
[17:03] <on4bhm> where?
[17:03] <on4bhm> reloaded map but no antenna?
[17:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> In wassmunster
[17:04] <mfa298> amell: in terms of SDR radio receivers the FCD is still pretty cheap, although I think there are groups trying to come up with solutions for the middle ground
[17:05] <on4bhm> do i need to refresh? what map are u using?
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[17:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> on4bhm im using http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[17:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> on4bhm your also on http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/
[17:06] <G8APZ> Ron_G8FJG_ sorry - I went to the shops... yes it was 444.5 and -0.5 but Upu had more > http://i.imgur.com/Y1eymnO.jpg
[17:06] <on4bhm> i'm using spacenear us too.
[17:06] <on4bhm> but can't see myself
[17:06] <PE2G> on4bhm: You're also on http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/
[17:07] <G8APZ> http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?vehicle=B-62
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[17:07] <on4bhm> i see myself on habitat
[17:08] <craag> G8APZ: /?vehicles=
[17:10] <G8APZ> OK Thanks!
[17:11] <G8APZ> vehicle actually worked!
[17:11] <craag> Erm it won't filter it
[17:11] <LeoBodnar> it does http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?vehicles=B-62
[17:11] <craag> LeoBodnar: Does if you include the 's' ;)
[17:12] <LeoBodnar> lol ok
[17:12] <LeoBodnar> need fuzzier logic
[17:12] <G8APZ> cragg OK must remember!
[17:13] <craag> don't worry G8APZ, I'll add detection of 'vehicle' in just for you ;)
[17:13] <G8APZ> it's like the old BASIC programs where is said enter Y or N and asked again when you typed y
[17:14] <LeoBodnar> and ?filter= as well please
[17:14] <G8APZ> I get a bit miffed at commercial websites where they cannot be bothered to change the case you enter !
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[17:15] <craag> G8APZ: Done
[17:15] <G8APZ> e.g. enter town brentwood , and it cannot find it! Enter Brentwood and all is well!
[17:15] <G8APZ> TU
[17:15] <craag> LeoBodnar: Ah, had some fun with that and filter being a keyword
[17:16] <mikestir_M0MKS> G8APZ: like websites that ask you to re-enter your credit card number with the spaces removed
[17:16] <craag> hence using vehicles in the first place
[17:16] <G8APZ> mikestir_M0MKS yes, exactly that... sloppy or lazy programming
[17:16] <LeoBodnar> ok
[17:17] <LeoBodnar> that's lousy design of human brain
[17:17] <LeoBodnar> why do we even need two cases
[17:17] <craag> spacenearus does it in php server side. I do it all in javascript from a static html page, hence why it can do it.
[17:18] <LeoBodnar> so your page can run from a local disk?
[17:18] <DL7AD> good evening. D-5 has been found. they struggled about 2 hours to get all packages out of the trees.
[17:18] <craag> yes, although you need an internet connection to load the data and the tiles.
[17:18] <LeoBodnar> yes sure
[17:18] <LeoBodnar> interesting, thanks for the info!
[17:19] <craag> LeoBodnar: https://github.com/philcrump/spacenearer
[17:19] <craag> You can run it straght out of /src/, don't bother with the npm/grunt build stuff
[17:20] <LeoBodnar> ta
[17:22] <fsphil> man it's warm outside
[17:22] <G8APZ> <LeoBodnar> why do we even need two cases? so that leobodnar comes out as two words!
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[17:23] <Lunar_Lander> hello again
[17:23] <LeoBodnar> hahaha G8APZ
[17:23] <Lunar_Lander> yay new germans and french in here
[17:23] <Lunar_Lander> :D
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[17:26] <PE2G> DL7AD: Congrats on the recovery. It was a difficult excercise?
[17:27] <Lunar_Lander> PE2G, I hope I may answer this
[17:27] <Lunar_Lander> yes as other people had to recover it
[17:27] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:28] <amell> craag: like habmap, i think its better than snus. but OSM? is there an option to use google.
[17:29] <mfa298> amell: top right corner, OS, OSM and google all available
[17:29] <craag> amell: Click button at top right, profit...
[17:30] <amell> aha
[17:30] <mfa298> you may need to zoom in a bit if you select OS as they have a smaller range of scales available (and UK only obvisouly)
[17:32] <amell> craag: is there a url i can use to make it start in google?
[17:33] <craag> amell: Not at the moment... give me a minute ;)
[17:36] <DL7AD> PE2G: i was told it has been.
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> Google actually may want you to pay for maps you use on your website now
[17:42] <astrobiologist> does anybody know who g4yhe is? note he/she is receiving in muswell hill on spacenear.us, quite near my work (and my podiatrist come to that)
[17:43] <amell> im seeing a faint trail on my waterfall at 434.500
[17:45] <amell> looks like B-62 but cant decode it.
[17:50] <craag> amell: Are you wanting google satellite, or google terrain map?
[17:50] <amell> terrain thanks.
[17:50] <amell> with option to change to satellite for close in recovery :)
[17:51] <craag> http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?maptype=terrain
[17:51] <craag> =satellite
[17:51] <craag> =os
[17:51] <craag> anything else will drop back to osm
[17:51] <craag> option will still be in top right
[17:52] <craag> can still add &vehicle=amell_super_hab to the end as well
[17:53] <MightyMik> NASA balloon launch today? http://io9.com/watch-nasas-rocket-powered-flying-saucer-test-live-h-1597430955?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_twitter&utm_source=io9_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
[17:53] <LeoBodnar> the most confusing bit of your map is Receivers(~8)
[17:53] <LeoBodnar> what does ~8 mean?
[17:53] <LeoBodnar> it's massively non-intuitive
[17:53] <craag> Well the problem is that a lot of the receivers upload late
[17:54] <craag> so you can end up with only 1 or 2 showing at the time it retrieves the data
[17:54] <LeoBodnar> is this average?
[17:54] <craag> the ~8 is the average over the last few packets, so you can see roughly how many people are receiving it
[17:54] <LeoBodnar> ah ok
[17:56] <on4bhm> what hardware do i need to also make a HAB?
[17:56] <on4bhm> what payload can i use?
[17:56] <on4bhm> is it available commercialy?
[17:57] <LeoBodnar> everyone is looking at Upu
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[18:02] <LeoBodnar> NASA balloon feed started http://www.ustream.tv/channel/5808990
[18:08] <ProSpectre_2> what's the purpose of the nasa balloon?
[18:09] <amell> awesome
[18:09] <amell> supersonic decelerator
[18:09] <amell> testing new type of parachute for re-entry into mars.
[18:09] <amell> or entry even&
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[18:13] <amell> now this is how you launch a hab
[18:15] <LeoBodnar> i need this
[18:19] <fsphil> hah
[18:19] <fsphil> peanuts
[18:20] <amell> 5.2K people dont watch a B launch
[18:20] <LeoBodnar> NASA official "Lucky peanuts" GO!
[18:20] <fsphil> can't launch without them
[18:21] Action: amell waits for it to appear on snus
[18:21] <fsphil> hmmm
[18:23] <fsphil> I hope they have a radio ready to track it
[18:23] <amell> habduino no doubt
[18:23] <fsphil> in the chase boat
[18:25] <fsphil> all that and no ft817
[18:26] <fsphil> lol, insulting eachother
[18:26] <fsphil> live on nasa tv
[18:26] <LeoBodnar> heck they surely know what happened to B-47
[18:27] <fsphil> lol
[18:27] <fsphil> serious face
[18:28] <LeoBodnar> never seen payload launched from a stationary tower
[18:28] <fsphil> 36.5km
[18:29] <fsphil> oooh, 54km by rocket
[18:29] <myself> rockoon!
[18:30] <astrobiologist> TH-F7e good for boat since partially water resistant :-)
[18:30] <amell> and LeoBodnar :)
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[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> inflation done
[18:34] <fsphil> slug
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[18:34] <myself> I love how mission control these days is a bunch of folding tables with laptops and a tub of peanuts.
[18:34] <fsphil> this is hawaii
[18:35] <amell> hope nobody gets rope wrapped round their leg. that wouldnt be good
[18:35] <fsphil> temporary mission control :)
[18:35] <amell> ISEE mission control is in abandoned macdonalds.
[18:35] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> huge stream delay it seems
[18:36] <LeoBodnar> how do they seal inflation tubes?
[18:36] <LeoBodnar> i can see them being cut off
[18:36] <G6SUQ_Graham> so, where's the bloke running across the field holding the string?
[18:37] <amell> is it H or He?
[18:37] <Lunar_Lander> He
[18:38] <arko> just repeating everyone elses links https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvuIg3nqS1M
[18:38] <arko> this is going to be an awesome hab
[18:38] <LeoBodnar> where's water bottle?
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[18:40] <Adam012> Hi all,
[18:40] <arko> released!
[18:41] <Adam012> Just back from the chase, cuppa in hand and wondering how we just missed out on 39045m by 130m!
[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[18:41] <Adam012> Arko, what are you flying?
[18:41] <fsphil> woo
[18:41] <arko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvuIg3nqS1M
[18:42] <arko> Adam012:
[18:42] <arko> ^^
[18:42] <arko> i never worked on it
[18:42] <arko> jpl is flying
[18:42] <Adam012> Of course, I forgot with all the excitement of today. This will be good!
[18:42] <arko> though i will brag about seeing it in the cleanroom :) https://www.flickr.com/photos/arkorobotics/12444728263/
[18:43] <fsphil> radio is working
[18:43] <arko> lol
[18:43] <arko> it's not showing up on snus
[18:43] <arko> is there a problem?
[18:43] <fsphil> havn't #habhub'ed
[18:43] <fsphil> sheesh
[18:44] <fsphil> amateurs
[18:44] <arko> this is what happens when you dont do your flight doc
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[18:44] <fsphil> new tone?
[18:44] <arko> lol
[18:45] <fsphil> wonder if it's on 434.500mhz...
[18:45] <LZ1DEV> whats AOS ?
[18:45] <amell> not much info. any ascent rate? current altitude?
[18:45] <amell> acquisition of signal
[18:45] <arko> "Four Three Four Dot Leo"
[18:45] <astrobiologist> no playback on blackberry.... will switch over to ipad...
[18:45] <fsphil> hah
[18:45] <LeoBodnar> it means "Anybody has a frequency for LDSD?"
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[18:45] <arko> hahahaha
[18:45] <DL7AD> www.dl7ad.de/balloons/D-5
[18:46] <fsphil> it's still below my horizon
[18:46] <fsphil> ooh nice zoom
[18:47] <LeoBodnar> i'd rather watch the balloon
[18:47] <LZ1DEV> http://media.digitalcameraworld.com/files/2012/05/sigma-telephoto.jpg
[18:48] <fsphil> lol
[18:48] <amell> would love to know ascent rate
[18:48] <LZ1DEV> they said 2 hours
[18:49] <LZ1DEV> so i'd guess 3/4ms
[18:49] <amell> to 120K ft?
[18:49] <LZ1DEV> till test start
[18:49] <amell> this is a float btw
[18:50] <LeoBodnar> about 5m/s ?
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[18:53] <fsphil> they're not saying "nominal" enough
[18:53] <astrobiologist> got a good feed from the NASA TV app... at what altitude do they drop?
[18:55] <fsphil> lol
[18:55] <amell> 180K
[18:55] <fsphil> destruct signal was a GUI glitch
[18:56] <astrobiologist> so how long will it take to get that high? It's a bit like watching Sting at his conjugal duties
[18:56] <astrobiologist> possibly awesome but one is in for the long haul and might need snacks and washroom breaks
[18:56] <amell> 2-3 hours
[18:57] <fsphil> "as predicted"
[18:57] <amell> id come back and check in an hour
[18:57] <fsphil> I bet they used habhub
[18:57] <LZ1DEV> nobody was online to approve their doc
[18:57] <LZ1DEV> ;\
[18:57] <arko> astrobiologist: amell: drop at 120k, rockets fire and take it to 180k
[18:57] <amell> yes
[18:58] <arko> fsphil: thats nominal :P
[18:58] <amell> mach 4 reentry, 110 foot parachute.
[18:58] <LeoBodnar> is it ZP or SP?
[18:58] <astrobiologist> thanks arko. in other words I can have a bathroom break :-)
[18:58] <amell> you can have a very long bathroom break
[18:58] <amell> enjoy
[18:58] <astrobiologist> did Ed do the high speed camera for them? did they glue the linear actuator in place this time? :-)
[18:59] <astrobiologist> that's a challenge amell. I'm not sure I've done enough Keigel exercises
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[19:03] <LeoBodnar> predicted float is 10:51 local and now is 09:03 local
[19:03] <LeoBodnar> so just short of two hours to float
[19:03] <LeoBodnar> not sure how long float stage is projected to last
[19:05] <LZ1DEV> The balloon will take approximately 2-3 hours to achieve float conditions.
[19:06] <LeoBodnar> not sure why lady missed the estimated float time
[19:07] <LeoBodnar> 10:51 local as said by a man in a big hat
[19:07] <LZ1DEV> i wonder whats the really poor bw picture from
[19:07] <astrobiologist> do we have a scale bar on this? are we sure in isn't B-63 viewed really close up?
[19:08] <amell> LZ1DEV: its a infrared camera
[19:08] <LZ1DEV> probably
[19:09] <LZ1DEV> but it looks like it taken from the side of mountain
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[19:09] <amell> probable the chase plane
[19:10] <LZ1DEV> is that satellite
[19:10] <LZ1DEV> looks like it's from the top
[19:10] <aadamson> ldsd 101 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YwSXAba6Ik
[19:10] <LZ1DEV> nah its ground
[19:11] <amell> that bitly link doesnt works for me?
[19:12] <amell> http://bit.ly/nasaldsd
[19:12] <astrobiologist> only works if in caps i.e NASALDSD
[19:12] <LeoBodnar> oh, he says he's getting red decodes
[19:13] <LeoBodnar> http://bit.ly/NASALDSD
[19:13] <astrobiologist> oh
[19:13] <astrobiologist> they say the motor is getting too cold
[19:14] <astrobiologist> didn't they test it in the freezer? did they try throwing it down the stairs come to that? :-o
[19:14] <LZ1DEV> there are no stairs on mars
[19:15] <qyx_> pro telemetry window
[19:16] <arko> cool predictor
[19:18] <LZ1DEV> high quality map
[19:19] <LeoBodnar> copied from snus
[19:19] <astrobiologist> another nominal for you there, fsphil.
[19:20] <Adam012> Thank you so much to everyone who helped track today. We'll change the delay on the next launch to put out more strings per minute (6)
[19:21] <arko> 14,362m
[19:22] <arko> accent rate seems to be around 5m/s actually
[19:23] <LZ1DEV> dude
[19:23] <LZ1DEV> that web address
[19:23] <qyx_> all capital!
[19:24] <arko> 1 hour 20mins till drop
[19:24] <arko> ish
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> so we have double balloon action
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> DL7AD successfully flew D-5 at Lake Constance and now the JPL flight
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[19:25] <astrobiologist> did they just say it was a rs232 link?
[19:27] <LeoBodnar> somebody asked security earlier to "reset your COMport"
[19:27] <arko> the tracking of the camera is really good
[19:27] <arko> wonder how they are doing it
[19:28] <arko> stable tracking
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> is that FLIR btw?
[19:28] <arko> no idea
[19:28] <LeoBodnar> we need a network of video tracking ground stations
[19:28] <astrobiologist> Hope it is a motherboard port not usb-serial!!! seriously
[19:28] <arko> :)
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> Sparkfun FTDI
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:28] <LeoBodnar> gyro stabilised platform i guess
[19:29] <LeoBodnar> with voice coil actuators?
[19:29] <arko> ?
[19:29] <LeoBodnar> tracking cameras control
[19:29] <arko> hmm
[19:30] <LeoBodnar> or servo motors, same thing really
[19:30] <arko> yeah
[19:30] <qyx_> servo like industrial AC servo, not RC thingies
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[19:30] <arko> i was thinking that it might be looking for warm infrared objects
[19:30] <arko> then following
[19:31] <qyx_> oh, they had a paper somewhere describing how their tracking works
[19:31] <LeoBodnar> is it a chase plane on the map as well
[19:31] <qyx_> including star trackers
[19:31] <arko> LeoBodnar: i think so yeah
[19:32] <arko> or helicopters
[19:32] <LeoBodnar> lol "RC" did not even cross my mind [20:30] <qyx_> servo like industrial AC servo, not RC thingies
[19:32] <qyx_> :))
[19:32] <arko> could also be using the downlink telemetry to point the camera
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[19:36] <fsphil> astrobiologist: we should play the nominal drinking game
[19:41] <astrobiologist> can my parrot join in fsphil?
[19:43] <ProSpectre_2> nasa balloon still not reached its hight?
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[19:43] <qyx_> no, ~18km atm
[19:43] <qyx_> or so
[19:44] <ProSpectre_2> goal is?
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> NASA discovered temereature profile of the atmosphere
[19:44] <qyx_> 36km
[19:44] <fsphil> it's got an odd shape
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> clang woosh boom rrrrrr shhhh whack
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> splash
[19:45] <qyx_> 19.5km now
[19:47] <fsphil> spacenear is better
[19:47] <qyx_> lol
[19:47] <LeoBodnar> Windows 8
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[19:49] <fsphil> earthquake
[19:49] <fsphil> "Sats 21"
[19:49] <fsphil> no fair!
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[19:52] <fsphil> hmm.. buffering here
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[19:56] <astrobiologist> try nasa app on ipad etc if you can fsphil, it seems rock solid
[19:56] <fsphil> nah back now
[19:58] <amell> how the hell do they get a 21 sat lock?
[19:58] <amell> 22!
[19:58] <fsphil> oh no, music
[19:58] <mattbrejza> gns+glonass
[19:58] <astrobiologist> random linked thought - if someone who does EME tracked a hab, would they be able to get a detectable, indeed decodable signal? after all it would be way, way closer than the moon - and a much smoother target to reflect off
[19:58] <mattbrejza> even my phone can get a good 15+ satellites
[19:59] <amell> not seen more than 12 on snus
[19:59] <ProSpectre_2> are there trackers available for glonass? modules or boards?
[20:00] <arko> lol, today's song of the day "I get high" by Snoop Dogg
[20:00] <astrobiologist> ProSpectre_2 yes, in fact quite a lot of smartphones have glonass modules apparently
[20:00] <mattbrejza> oh on snus, not sure if common modules, the ublox8 modules will though
[20:00] <amell> maybe leos Bs should play a song on ascent.
[20:00] <mattbrejza> the ublox7s have glonass but not at the same time as gns
[20:00] <mattbrejza> p
[20:00] <LeoBodnar> Rock lobster
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[20:01] <fsphil> should've been 99 red balloons
[20:01] <ProSpectre_2> ublox8 gps and glonass at the same time?
[20:01] <mattbrejza> iirc
[20:04] <astrobiologist> anybody ever tried inertial nav for a hab?
[20:05] <LeoBodnar> Si Señor
[20:05] <fsphil> hah
[20:05] <LeoBodnar> 16 sats: "$$B-62,592,193033,140628,55.1067,8.4313,11730,16,-8,4.23,0.49*7E47" [20:59] <amell> not seen more than 12 on snus
[20:06] <fsphil> RS-232 trouble. oh dear
[20:06] <astrobiologist> they're resetting their rs232 app again... clearly it is well dodgy! I am not surprised!!!!!
[20:07] <fsphil> this would seem like a bad moment to be restarting servesr
[20:07] <fsphil> servers*
[20:07] <arko> its apart of the procedure
[20:07] <astrobiologist> reading in between the lines the com port hangs if they keep it open?!
[20:08] <astrobiologist> I have a lot of time for RS232 in Unix, since Unix assumes _everything_ is a com port
[20:08] <fsphil> server freezes up. eep
[20:08] <astrobiologist> maybe even motherboard serial ports are ok (better on Unix etc than windows)
[20:09] <astrobiologist> USB-serial or serial PCI cards - might as well play Russian roulette
[20:09] <astrobiologist> grrrrrrr!
[20:09] <astrobiologist> that's basically about 8 years of my life right there
[20:09] <arko> why would you fly something that requires restarting to prevent freezing?
[20:09] <fsphil> I've never had trouble with a usb serial adaptor on linux
[20:09] <arko> lol
[20:10] <qyx_> yesterday i was reading nasa jpl c coding guidelines
[20:10] <qyx_> i am quite surprised now
[20:10] <LeoBodnar> shouldn't they be running some fieldbus?
[20:10] <LeoBodnar> like CANbus or MODBUS?
[20:10] <craag> ftdi adaptors = good, prolific adaptors=bad
[20:10] <qyx_> spacewire!
[20:10] <craag> that's my general experience
[20:10] <qyx_> i have many prolific and they are good
[20:10] <arko> LeoBodnar: sounds like its a ground station issue no?
[20:10] <astrobiologist> fsphil really or irony? :-) actually I don't disagree as long as you buy a trusted, high quality usb-serial from a specialised supplier like serialio.com (does what it says)
[20:11] <LeoBodnar> sounds like office automation issue
[20:11] <fsphil> really. just random serial usb adaptors
[20:11] <fsphil> never had an issue
[20:11] <LeoBodnar> i.e. for onsite comms
[20:11] <LeoBodnar> RS232 is shit
[20:11] <astrobiologist> linux supports usb-serial in the kernel, so that is a very basic level of support, so yeah, much more likely to work than if you need windows drivers etc etc
[20:12] <LeoBodnar> which adaptor maintains true > +-12V swing?
[20:12] <astrobiologist> most usb-serial adapters are very similar under the casing fsphil, I think some factory in China churns them out oem
[20:13] <astrobiologist> so you can never trust a new batch of adapters since they might be totally different in firmware etc!
[20:13] <mfa298> I think the only issue I've had with real serial ports is setting the jumpers for IO port and IRQ
[20:13] <astrobiologist> speak from bitter experience. if it isn't from serialio.com then it is a crapshoot
[20:14] <LeoBodnar> 2100UTC drop?
[20:14] <astrobiologist> arghhhh serial port IRQ mfa298!!!!
[20:14] <arko> sounds like it
[20:14] <mfa298> with USB serial if you spend money on something good then it works well. If you buy cheap crap (like the prolific) then you deserve for your system to crash and burn
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[20:16] <astrobiologist> serialio.com baby, it is the only way to go. absolutely anything you can imagine with a serial port (for phones, over bluetooth etc etc)
[20:16] <fsphil> this message brought to you by serialio.com. for all your serial io'ing needs
[20:16] <arko> and budwiser
[20:16] <LeoBodnar> i use CANbus anywhere i need a serial link
[20:17] <arko> CAN is great
[20:17] <astrobiologist> I was quite into RS485 for a while since the hygiene of the coms was much stricter (i.e only one device at a time)
[20:17] <arko> used it in automotives
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[20:17] <astrobiologist> canbus is a variant of 485 I think
[20:17] <arko> just nice and reliable
[20:17] <fsphil> is that how the flux capacitor is controlled?
[20:17] <arko> :)
[20:17] <arko> yep
[20:17] <arko> time circuits
[20:17] <arko> everything on the bttf car
[20:17] <LeoBodnar> there is aerospace version of canbus as well
[20:18] <qyx_> canbus and rs485 are quite different
[20:18] <qyx_> yep, some can-aerospace standard
[20:18] <LeoBodnar> just a higher level traffic standardised
[20:18] <astrobiologist> weaklink is the crappy rs485-232 starlink adapters if no native 485 port
[20:18] <LeoBodnar> RS485 is just a wire level standard
[20:18] <astrobiologist> maybe I was thinking of modbus
[20:19] <LeoBodnar> CANbus defines packet structure, collision resolution, etc
[20:19] <LeoBodnar> modbus uses 485 yes
[20:19] <LeoBodnar> well old one
[20:19] <astrobiologist> not entirely Leo, there is also quite a lot about who can talk when etc. just two devices would be 422
[20:19] <mfa298> haha first usb-serial dongle on that serialio page is a crappy PL2303
[20:20] <fsphil> lol
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> oh, so 485 is a protocol level as well?
[20:20] <fsphil> 45 minutes until drop
[20:20] <qyx_> LeoBodnar: no
[20:20] <qyx_> rs485 is just layer 1 of rm osi
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> that's what i thought
[20:20] <astrobiologist> maybe they control their inventory mfa298... I have no problem with cheap adapters if they work and have no undocumented changes batch-batch
[20:20] <qyx_> modbus is datalink for rs485
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> just the wire level itself
[20:21] <arko> 21:05UTC
[20:21] <arko> exciting :)
[20:21] <qyx_> modbus and other
[20:21] <fsphil> plenty of time to order food
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[20:21] <LeoBodnar> anyway RS232 for onsite comms is for kids
[20:21] <fsphil> true
[20:21] <arko> i have no clue why they would
[20:22] <fsphil> they're very polite on the radio now
[20:22] <fsphil> since they got scouled
[20:22] <arko> really?
[20:22] <LeoBodnar> there is a lot of swearing on the side audio channels
[20:22] <arko> what happen?
[20:22] <arko> lol
[20:22] <fsphil> someone called someone a fat ass
[20:22] <qyx_> lol
[20:22] <arko> hahahaha
[20:22] <fsphil> jokingly
[20:22] <LeoBodnar> they were told to "keep it quiet"
[20:23] <arko> yeah, thats gonna be a rough monday morning
[20:23] <fsphil> lol yep
[20:23] <arko> nasa is pretty strict on it
[20:23] <LeoBodnar> I guess it is "tough range military" vs "NASA college kids"
[20:23] <arko> but sit in any non-public meeting and you hear many colorful words
[20:23] <astrobiologist> they're probably having an argument because they didn't buy from serialio.com tm
[20:24] <fsphil> dropbox?
[20:24] <arko> dropclock
[20:24] <arko> i think
[20:24] <fsphil> ah
[20:25] <astrobiologist> ah if I hold down the R on my blackberry I can get a ®, and if I hold down T: "
[20:25] <fsphil> yes, drop clock
[20:25] <arko> all the flight avionics code is trigged when the onboard computer sees a dropnow.txt file added to the nasa dropbox :P
[20:25] <fsphil> if you hold down the power button you get a secret admin mode
[20:25] <arko> haha
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[20:26] <astrobiologist> actually I get a cool count down
[20:26] <LeoBodnar> why all mics are hot and distorted?
[20:27] <fsphil> when channel hopping over various satellites I noticed that nearly every TV channel in the middle east has serious mic overmodulation
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[20:27] <la3eq> $$B-62,616,202011,140628,/5.2875,9.1457,11741
[20:27] <astrobiologist> www.rs485.com still exists... now I'd trust THEIR boards. they make them themselves!
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[20:28] <fsphil> it has gps lock
[20:28] <LZ1DEV> one person in mission control has a mac
[20:29] <fsphil> two
[20:29] <fsphil> one is on an ibook
[20:29] <steve_____> Does anyone know why RTTY sends the least significant bit 1st?
[20:29] <fsphil> not ibook, whatever the newer mac laptops are called
[20:29] <astrobiologist> how long to drop now? the LDSD status page is locked up
[20:29] <arko> 21:05UTC
[20:29] <qyx_> 21:05Z
[20:29] <astrobiologist> "expensive" is the word, fsphil
[20:29] <fsphil> hah
[20:30] <fsphil> true
[20:30] <astrobiologist> but very good, I have one myself. and a mac mini at work... lasts 4-5 times longer than windows laptops or desktops...
[20:30] <fsphil> sitfitbus?
[20:31] <LeoBodnar> what's up ith 7 decimal spaces for GPS coordinates?
[20:32] <mfa298> astrobiologist: if thats the case your macs must be complete dinosaurs. I've had windows machines last 5 years quite happily.
[20:32] <LeoBodnar> that's 1cm precision
[20:32] <LeoBodnar> useless
[20:32] <qyx_> dvi bus?
[20:33] <fsphil> I guess we're listening to multiple channels here
[20:33] <astrobiologist> not me, not mfa298, not me... I was infamous for killing Shuttle boxes every 8 months or so... in the end they gave me a macmini, coming up to its 4 birthday!
[20:33] <fsphil> and they're not actually talking over eachother
[20:33] <fsphil> there's your problem right there
[20:33] <fsphil> shuttle PCs
[20:33] <fsphil> their PSUs die after 5 minutes
[20:34] <mfa298> I had a mac laptop once. I think it properly died about the same time as the windows laptop it replaced.
[20:34] <LeoBodnar> MacPro I bought in 2007 is horrible
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[20:34] <fsphil> I've a macmini here that's useless because it's too old
[20:34] <LeoBodnar> it does everything i need and does not give me a chance to replace it
[20:34] <arko> woah
[20:34] <arko> camers!
[20:34] <fsphil> thinkpad the same age works fine
[20:35] <arko> cameras*
[20:36] <astrobiologist> I took a particularly crap samsung laptop to black rock (it worked much better running linux not vista!) and it handled being in the desert really well, ironically
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[20:36] <mfa298> I'm pretty sure apple stop supporting older hardware after about three years.
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> what is the time remaining to test arko?
[20:36] <fsphil> this is so old it's a PPC :)
[20:36] <astrobiologist> covered to this day in suncream and desert sand.
[20:36] <astrobiologist> so I would take that next time not the macbook!
[20:36] <mfa298> running vista, well that's your problem - vista stopped being supported before XP support ended!
[20:37] <fsphil> anyone got any ideas of what to do with a PPC machine?
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[20:37] <astrobiologist> install a ppc flavour of linux!
[20:37] <arko> VXWORKS!
[20:37] <arko> :P
[20:37] <arko> make your own mars rover
[20:37] <mfa298> fsphil: you used to be able to download MacOS 8/9 for free from apple
[20:37] <astrobiologist> oh yeah, like it. seriously arko how easy is it to use?
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[20:41] <fsphil> "timmy .. go .. wizard .. go"
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[20:43] <fsphil> hehe, gopro
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> yea xD
[20:44] <fsphil> they have have a way of querying them and controlling
[20:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> I managed to look at the list at just the right time to remind me about the NASA flight :-)
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> yay Celsius
[20:44] <fsphil> woo! nasa baby
[20:44] <qyx_> nah, it seems to me like very low budget test
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> I like the blue view
[20:46] <fsphil> onboard PC bluescreened?
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[20:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> I bet they're not using 434 ISM.....
[20:47] <fsphil> aprs :)
[20:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[20:48] <fsphil> solid looking video feed
[20:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah and see how often the LAT/LON is updating
[20:49] <fsphil> they mentioned two uhf channels earlier
[20:49] <astrobiologist> maybe 56K modem on rs232 port? ;-)
[20:50] <qyx_> its only about 70km away
[20:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> I like their vertical monitor setups
[20:51] <fsphil> mm
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[20:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> Mach 2 parachute!
[20:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> THat must be SOME material
[20:52] <eroomde> its lower density there
[20:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ah, true
[20:53] <fsphil> coming up to 35km
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[20:54] <CHRISG7OGX> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#.U68qcPldVZ4
[20:54] <amell> where did you see these side audio channels?
[20:55] <amell> astrobiologist: what were you doing in blackrock?
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[20:55] <eroomde> amell: theres a talk on that from ukhas 2011
[20:55] <eroomde> 2012*
[20:55] <eroomde> no, 2011
[20:55] <amell> eroomde: damn man, where did you reappear from.
[20:55] <eroomde> just up there
[20:55] <eroomde> just here for the nasa drop stuff
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> Star48 armed
[20:56] <eroomde> its like what we did with balloons but cooler
[20:56] <amell> some people were asking where you were. they were extremely upset you left.
[20:56] <eroomde> nice to be loved huh
[20:56] <chrisstubbs> welcome backe eroomde
[20:57] <amell> do pop in more often
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> T-9
[20:58] <chrisstubbs> *back
[20:58] <chrisstubbs> amell did you launch in the end?
[20:58] <amell> chrisstubbs: not yet.
[20:58] <amell> 116K, not long to float height now
[20:58] <eroomde> works busy, and i cant really talk shop about it on irc sadly, and its mostly what im interested in technically, so theres not much extra for me to talk about on irc
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[20:59] <amell> erromde: excellent, might be russians or chinese on here, so hush hush.
[20:59] <eroomde> or zeusbots!
[21:00] <fsphil> russians on #ha? NAH
[21:00] <amell> the star motor they are firing is it a solid AP?
[21:00] <CHRISG7OGX> KENTUCKY WINDAGE!!
[21:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> I thought that's what I heard LOL
[21:01] <LeoBodnar> Russians here? pfff
[21:01] <eroomde> amell: i believe it is yes
[21:02] <CHRISG7OGX> t - 1
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> Star motor series is solid fuel
[21:03] <astrobiologist> they're going for it!
[21:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> 4 cameras now
[21:05] <CHRISG7OGX> release
[21:05] <qyx_> teraz to vybuchne!
[21:05] <qyx_> ops
[21:05] <qyx_> its going to blow up now!
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> stream delay :(
[21:06] <CHRISG7OGX> spin to stableise??
[21:06] <fsphil> spin to win!
[21:06] <fsphil> nice rocket!
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> firing
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> Hypnodisc!
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> CHRISG7OGX, correct
[21:06] <qyx_> vehicle stable? is that stable?
[21:06] <CHRISG7OGX> yarp
[21:06] <amell> negative
[21:07] <amell> abort abort
[21:07] <CHRISG7OGX> there goes my groceries!
[21:07] <amell> they were supposed to put a spin on it first.
[21:07] <fsphil> it didn't inflate?
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> spindown
[21:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> YEs it did Phil, it was very fast
[21:08] <fsphil> I must have blinked on that frame
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> that thing released OK I supposed
[21:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> It was that fast
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> that rim came open
[21:08] <CHRISG7OGX> chute
[21:08] <amell> what is current height?
[21:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Tangled chute?
[21:08] <astrobiologist> snarled chute
[21:08] <CHRISG7OGX> uh uh
[21:09] <fsphil> :/
[21:09] <amell> think thats just drogue
[21:09] <fsphil> bad chute
[21:09] <amell> real chute is 110ft wide
[21:09] <CHRISG7OGX> i saw a school word then
[21:09] <junderwood> could be reefed
[21:09] <junderwood> oops
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> parachute malfunction
[21:09] <junderwood> back to the drawing boads
[21:10] <CHRISG7OGX> check your gardens
[21:10] <junderwood> board
[21:10] <fsphil> this is why they test things :)
[21:10] <amell> whats wrong with the chute?
[21:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Did'nt inflate
[21:10] <arko> Parachute looks like it had an inversion
[21:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Arko :-)
[21:10] <arko> At first I thought it was squidding
[21:10] <amell> seems reasonably stable
[21:11] <fsphil> yea, bad chute sounds like it failed properly
[21:11] <arko> It's failed
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[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> will it die on impact?
[21:11] <CHRISG7OGX> ships scrambling to intercept
[21:11] <arko> Likely
[21:11] <fsphil> they're calling it impact now, not landing
[21:11] <junderwood> it's going to hi hard
[21:11] <CHRISG7OGX> fabric bottom right
[21:12] <junderwood> s/hi/hit/
[21:12] <eroomde> ouch
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[21:12] <arko> Sounds like the parachute was detached
[21:12] <fsphil> it's coming in fast
[21:12] <qyx_> detached?
[21:12] <amell> descent rate?
[21:12] <eroomde> this is what a high alt chute deployment should look like when it works
[21:12] <eroomde> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzEcSO6oDcY&list=UUDdAMHrUMRwFU3JafszKI2w
[21:12] <CHRISG7OGX> premature balloon self distruct
[21:12] <arko> Eroomde lol
[21:12] <eroomde> and thats the smuggest youll see me ever ^
[21:13] <fsphil> haha
[21:13] <arko> Hahaha
[21:13] <CHRISG7OGX> lol send it to them!
[21:13] <fsphil> nah that'd be cruel
[21:13] <CHRISG7OGX> destructive criticism
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, nice view!
[21:13] <LeoBodnar> CHUTEYOLO
[21:13] <fsphil> ah yes, see the inflated material now
[21:14] <junderwood> Not really fair, eroomde. That deployment was at Mach 0.
[21:14] <eroomde> yes i realise
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[21:14] <eroomde> i was/am being silly
[21:15] <amell> why has skirt deflated?
[21:15] <LZ1DEV> is the skirt supposed to flap like that?
[21:15] <arko> Yes
[21:15] <LZ1DEV> science
[21:15] <fsphil> it's not suppose to be going this quickly at this altitude
[21:15] <eroomde> just the fottage of the chute deploying reminded me of it
[21:15] <amell> that looks like a chute to me
[21:15] <fsphil> yea that chute looked good
[21:15] <amell> did they actually say there was a problem?
[21:16] <fsphil> yea they said the chute failed
[21:16] <arko> Was there a reserve chute?
[21:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, there was a debate
[21:16] <fsphil> called it a bad chute
[21:16] <arko> I'm calling it now, it was an inversion
[21:16] <CHRISG7OGX> deployment chute?
[21:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep
[21:16] <arko> Bad chute just means it didn't work, no reason yet
[21:16] <fsphil> ah
[21:16] <eroomde> my stream is delayed
[21:17] <eroomde> but its possible the chute could open properly later
[21:17] <junderwood> lots of things can go wrong on a parachute that big at that velocity
[21:17] <eroomde> at lower mach numbers or whatever
[21:17] <CHRISG7OGX> sheesh 24 metres per second
[21:17] <amell> time to put your helmets on
[21:17] <arko> Like a true American hab coming down
[21:17] <fsphil> pico!
[21:17] <arko> Lol
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> did someone get the altitude?
[21:18] <fsphil> quickly, find a bus to break its fall
[21:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> evening
[21:18] <arko> Haha
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> hej Reb-SM3ULC
[21:18] <LeoBodnar> they had heaters
[21:18] <LZ1DEV> why are they standing?
[21:18] <amell> suspense?
[21:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> Excitement
[21:18] <arko> Did anyone hear if they had a reserve chute?
[21:18] <amell> fear of being crushed?
[21:19] <CHRISG7OGX> tension..
[21:19] <fsphil> they all need to pee
[21:19] <arko> Haha
[21:19] <LZ1DEV> or worse fsphil
[21:19] <amell> i thought that skirt was supposed to inflate
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> that worked actually
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> that was before the chute
[21:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Will they re-deply the skirt before splash down or was that the test already?
[21:20] <fsphil> it's in higher pressure atmosphere
[21:20] <fsphil> the same amount of gas won't inflate it?
[21:20] <CHRISG7OGX> is it safe?
[21:20] <junderwood> CHRISG7OGX, not if you happen to be underneath it
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> "It's not coming in ballistic, it's under the chute"
[21:21] <CHRISG7OGX> no pyros?
[21:21] <fsphil> good news
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> screen flashing action
[21:21] <la3eq> $$B-62,643,211617,140628,55.5515,9.9371,11758,10,-47,3.57,0.04*363B
[21:21] <amell> i didnt see any spin motors.
[21:21] <CHRISG7OGX> bridging wires had explosive cutters i think
[21:21] <astrobiologist> target is 10m/s
[21:22] <amell> seems to be doubt as to whether its safe
[21:23] <CHRISG7OGX> yes onboard explosives have they all been used???
[21:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> One of the guys is avoiding the question of whether the pyros fired
[21:24] <astrobiologist> The "will our crushed wreckage blow up the navy" discussion :-(
[21:24] <CHRISG7OGX> prob doesn't know how to find out
[21:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> If it's that important, surely you'd put independant sensors on them?
[21:24] <amell> did anyone get what apogee was?
[21:24] <CHRISG7OGX> skirt was inflatable doughnut
[21:25] <astrobiologist> ok at least they have another flight next summer
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> interesting, main goal was firing the Star48 and not the SIAD?
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> the guy just said that the SIAD was the "cherry on top"
[21:26] <amell> i think he said after the SIAD was cherry on top
[21:26] <CHRISG7OGX> damage limitation for tax payers
[21:26] <astrobiologist> I think they're about to lose their cherry
[21:26] <fsphil> they here mostly testing being able to get it up there and launch it
[21:26] <fsphil> where*
[21:26] <CHRISG7OGX> hawiai
[21:26] <LZ1DEV> basically, they build a giant chute?
[21:26] <amell> the chute is 110ft wide
[21:26] <amell> i want to see the assembly, does it have a deploy drogue?
[21:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> having a hard time decoding b-62 atm because of drift. anyone else having the same problem?
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> LZ1DEV, yes and some sort of drag device on the system
[21:27] <CHRISG7OGX> i think we saw the deploy drogue coming down
[21:27] <amell> theres an idea. we need a black box for HABs
[21:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> An armoured SD card
[21:28] <junderwood> Looks like the parachute deployed but didn't inflate properly.
[21:28] <junderwood> Lots of work for someone to work out why
[21:28] <astrobiologist> SD cards are pretty indestructible already
[21:29] <astrobiologist> we picked up several from around the crashed rockets in 2010
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[21:29] <astrobiologist> all were OK
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[21:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool
[21:29] <fsphil> my dog could soon break it
[21:29] <astrobiologist> unfortunately I had misunderstood the instructions on the PC104 I used in my payload
[21:30] <astrobiologist> I had thought it didn't have a standard pc104 slot so I didn't fly one
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[21:30] <astrobiologist> so I had no "black-box" post destruction!
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[21:30] <astrobiologist> turns out it would have taken an SD card just fine
[21:31] <amell> well, look forward to the details.
[21:32] <qyx_> nah
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> grandma reading the URL
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:32] <amell> http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/pia18451ldsdtimelinediagram.jpg
[21:32] <eroomde> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENZPVM8ocz0
[21:32] <astrobiologist> so they turned off the cameras at 15000ft to avoid damaging them?
[21:33] <amell> so theres a SIAD and a supersonic disksail.
[21:33] <astrobiologist> urmmmm go pro?
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea they said these were gopros
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> didn't really understand why they have to shut off everything
[21:33] <amell> the inflating skirt takes it from mach 4 down to mach 2.5
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> the argument "could be damaged" wasn't really convincing
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[21:34] <qyx_> maybe they don't know exactly which ship it is going to git
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[21:34] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: data could get corrupt when it hits the ground
[21:34] <fsphil> same deal with the spacex landing video
[21:35] <amell> fsphil: apparently the data is all safed and ejected from the vehicle.
[21:35] <Ian_> I got the impression that they were guessing a lot in the communication. Should have used snus or read the list of possible errors from the UKHAS wiki :)
[21:35] <amell> maybe they learnt something from spacex
[21:35] <fsphil> yep. but Lunar_Lander was wondering why they shut the cameras down for landing
[21:35] <Reb-SM3ULC> mm, if dl-fldigi just just won't start hab-mode... what's the most common problem?
[21:36] <amell> for video consistency, time to safe it all and commit to memory?
[21:36] <fsphil> yea
[21:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dont think ill be able to do tracking over night, the drift is too big for fldigi to handle
[21:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> for b-62 that is
[21:36] <amell> oz1sky: wont rxID take care of it for you?
[21:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> amell no as it drifts too much after the rxid
[21:37] <amell> strange, how far away are you
[21:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 60km or so
[21:38] <PE2G> OZ1SKY_Brian: I noticed the same. Besides that, QRM spoils reception since an hour or so
[21:38] <la3eq> I follow the drift with the VFO and get good decods :;) Hard work!
[21:38] <meow_> what frq?
[21:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq yes manuel trackig works, but i cant do that during the night
[21:38] <amell> 434.500
[21:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 434.499 atm
[21:38] <eroomde> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY5IItBZv-M
[21:38] <la3eq> 434.498
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> Heh.
[21:39] <eroomde> the video i wanted to find earlier ^
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> Imagine it actually popping up on the tracker at mach 3 :)
[21:39] <eroomde> this test we just saw but in the 70s
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> ah thanks fsphil
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> hi OZ1SKY_Brian
[21:39] <eroomde> you can see the rockets firing
[21:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi lunar
[21:39] <eroomde> leaving the balloon behind
[21:39] <eroomde> then it deploys the test chute
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[21:41] <Laurenceb__> wait thats a balloon?!
[21:42] <SpeedEvil> Balloon + rocket I think
[21:42] <eroomde> rockoon
[21:42] <Laurenceb__> sheet
[21:42] <Laurenceb__> this is epic
[21:42] <SpeedEvil> A quite large one.
[21:42] <eroomde> rocket launches the parachute test vehicle up away from the balloon
[21:42] <SpeedEvil> 'fit comfortably into the rosebowl stadium' - of the ballon in the recent test
[21:43] <eroomde> basically this series of tests are expanding the envelope of tests they did for viking in the 70s
[21:43] <amell> so if we already did this in the 70s why are we doing it again
[21:43] <eroomde> where they did exactly this kind of rockoon test work
[21:43] <eroomde> see above amell
[21:43] <Steve_G0TDJ_> amell: Acess to modern technology for one
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> amell: because you need to test new chute designs
[21:43] <eroomde> the inflatables is especially new
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> And new materials
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: did you see that 'red dragon to mars' ?
[21:44] <eroomde> conventional wisdom says parachutes dont really work above mach 1.8
[21:44] <eroomde> but the blunt entry bodies are not doing much beneath say mach 4-5 on mars
[21:44] <eroomde> so theres that window where you could be doing somethign useful to decelerate more
[21:44] <amell> whoa, that 70s test has a lot of rubbish coming out, and why is the chute inflating upside down
[21:44] <eroomde> and the inflatable decelerators are a possible solution
[21:45] <eroomde> the rocket is firing up amell
[21:45] <eroomde> away from earth
[21:45] <Laurenceb__> id like to know more about their rocket
[21:45] <eroomde> it gets it up to mach 3 or whatever
[21:45] <Laurenceb__> looks like multi nozzle?
[21:45] <eroomde> and then does the chute test
[21:45] <amell> oh yeah, i ve done that too when i got my delay wrong :)
[21:45] <eroomde> itll be multi engine Laurenceb_
[21:45] <Laurenceb__> hyperglolic?
[21:45] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Gotta go guys, thanks for your company - 73
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> The red dragon to mars thing swas interesting. Basically take a dragon, strip everything out of it, fir with a 1.3 ton rocket 2 stage pointing up stationary for sample return to earth .
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[21:46] <Laurenceb__> sounds silly
[21:46] <Laurenceb__> why not custom lander
[21:46] <Laurenceb__> haha nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkf1zOGskmc
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> Add some extra fuel tanks. Land by using weight-steering to keep the trajectory at 10km or so.
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> In principle, you can get away with fairly minor modifications
[21:47] <amell> somehow i would not be surprised if dragon in some form makes it to mars
[21:47] <Laurenceb__> Rogallo died a couple of years ago :-/
[21:47] <eroomde> we saw that video back in the day
[21:47] <eroomde> you did too
[21:47] <eroomde> in like 2007
[21:47] <Laurenceb__> 1:00 is brilliant
[21:47] <Laurenceb__> lol
[21:47] <eroomde> i showed it to you
[21:47] <Laurenceb__> rofl
[21:47] <eroomde> weve just been habbing for too long
[21:47] <eroomde> memeory goes
[21:47] <Laurenceb__> ok you have a better memory :P
[21:48] <Laurenceb__> 2007... maybe you are even responsible for my rogallo obsession :D
[21:48] <eroomde> i just remember lobbing rogallos off the roof of the engineering department with james
[21:49] <Laurenceb__> haha
[21:49] <SpeedEvil> amell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoSKHzziLKw - 6 minutes or so in it starts - red dragon to maes
[21:50] <Laurenceb__> damn i was hoping to do some work this evening
[21:50] <Laurenceb__> im just going to be on youtube
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[21:51] <eroomde> well this test was interesting
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> It's a fairly information light presentation - basically you go in and use a lifting trajectory downwards to get you to ~10km. Flip the lift vector upwards to stay at 10km, until the lift dries up (~mach 2-3) and then use propulsive descent
[21:51] <eroomde> i was doing some verilog
[21:51] <amell> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zYxlLlN2Jw is fun. I wouldnt have liked to be in 3m59s landing
[21:51] <eroomde> but this was worth stopping for
[21:51] <Laurenceb__> SpeedEvil: one question, what is the advantage over a custom lander?
[21:51] <amell> were not that bad. do come back again
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb__: Cost, basically.
[21:51] <Laurenceb__> hmm
[21:52] <eroomde> i think ive done my time with irc sadly
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> It exists, you bolt two propellant tanks on, bore a hole in the top to fit your rocket, and you're basically done - at 90% off-the-shelf.
[21:52] <eroomde> but for popping on for specific things
[21:52] <eroomde> anyhoo, cool beans, see you all at conf
[21:52] <amell> 7m20s is painful
[21:52] <Laurenceb__> cya
[21:52] <RocketBoy> next year will be 10 years of UK HABing
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: Good luckwith whatever then :)
[21:53] <Laurenceb__> 10 years?! crazy
[21:53] <eroomde> RocketBoy: thats got to be worth some sort of celebration
[21:53] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[21:53] <RocketBoy> i think so
[21:53] <amell> 10 year challenge?
[21:53] <RocketBoy> some form of event i think
[21:54] <RocketBoy> 10 years in October
[21:54] <RocketBoy> pegasus I
[21:55] <eroomde> james might be on his honeymoon in oct :)
[21:56] <RocketBoy> wot - where are his priorities ;-)
[21:56] <eroomde> not sure he has a choice!
[21:57] <eroomde> we could try and hunt down carl morland
[21:57] <RocketBoy> probably worth at least a restrospective at next years conference
[21:57] <eroomde> hes fallen off the face of the universe
[21:57] <RocketBoy> oh wow - yes carl
[21:57] <RocketBoy> forgotten his name
[21:57] <eroomde> memories huh
[21:58] <eroomde> henry is obviously still around
[21:58] <RocketBoy> yeah
[21:58] <eroomde> rob fryers is doing medical devices in cam
[21:58] <Laurenceb__> sounds interesting
[21:58] <Laurenceb__> as research?
[21:58] <Laurenceb__> PhD?
[21:59] <eroomde> job
[21:59] <eroomde> prototyping
[21:59] <eroomde> he was at ttp medical devices group
[21:59] <Laurenceb__> ah cool, theres plenty of work in that area
[21:59] <eroomde> now i think hes struck out on his own
[21:59] <eroomde> seemed really happy last time i saw him
[21:59] <Laurenceb__> thats ambitious
[22:00] <eroomde> yes
[22:00] <Laurenceb__> all the regulatory faff to deal with...
[22:00] <eroomde> i think thats partly what he was selling
[22:00] <eroomde> his ability to navigate that
[22:00] <Laurenceb__> well if he enjoys it...
[22:00] <eroomde> well, i think hes making too
[22:00] <eroomde> hes acting as a sort of product dev consultant
[22:01] <eroomde> helping with design and qualification
[22:01] <Laurenceb__> ah, a nice plan
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[22:01] <eroomde> dan strange just got married
[22:01] <eroomde> also at ttp
[22:01] <eroomde> heard from mc in the last half a decade RocketBoy?
[22:01] <eroomde> im just mentally going through lists of people from back when
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[22:02] <Laurenceb__> i met him randomly, but that was in 2009
[22:02] <RocketBoy> mc - michael cane?
[22:02] <eroomde> castle
[22:03] <eroomde> they guy who wanted other people to launch his payloads
[22:03] <eroomde> with the funny morse dialect
[22:03] <Laurenceb__> hes got a young family
[22:04] <eroomde> fair enough
[22:04] <eroomde> _defy
[22:04] <RocketBoy> humm - let me look
[22:04] <Laurenceb__> ttp look interesting, less bullshit that the majority of similar places
[22:04] <RocketBoy> mc - last email 2010
[22:04] <eroomde> yeah they seem a good company
[22:04] <eroomde> got a number of friends working there
[22:04] <Laurenceb__> im lazy tho
[22:05] <Laurenceb__> was going to go for a job here - http://www.davisderby.com/
[22:05] <eroomde> my friend does 2 days a week consulting for ttp
[22:05] <Laurenceb__> as its in my hometown lol
[22:05] <eroomde> he has a phd
[22:05] <Laurenceb__> ok
[22:05] <eroomde> he said it was a great bargaining chip for that kind of place
[22:05] <eroomde> he lives in ox
[22:05] <Laurenceb__> ok
[22:07] Action: Laurenceb__ has been dragged into working on commercial vehicle "black boxes"
[22:07] <aadamson> hehe ^^ serves ya right :)
[22:07] <Laurenceb__> through my PhD supervisor, but the project is going nowhere
[22:07] <Laurenceb__> but... it looked like the sort of thing davisderby would like :P
[22:08] <aadamson> does it pay well? that could be an updside
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> heh - just make another tracker, slightly alter the code :)
[22:08] <Laurenceb__> not really lol
[22:08] <eroomde> anyyway, definitely off now
[22:08] <eroomde> ttfn
[22:08] <Laurenceb__> its more CAN bus grabbing and vibration
[22:08] <Laurenceb__> cya
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: wave
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[22:10] <Laurenceb__> aadamson: so far all i have to show for it is many TB of data filling a small mountain of hdd
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[22:11] <SpeedEvil> Is the idea to do maintainance prediction?
[22:11] <Laurenceb__> yes
[22:12] <aadamson> Laurenceb_, ah bummer, at least it could have put some $$$ in your pocket along with the small mountain of data
[22:13] <fsphil> phew, thought we'd have to cancel the UKHAS conference there for a second
[22:13] <myself> Laurenceb__: The OpenXC kids were just playing with a data-crunching algo that would look for jerks in the steering wheel, infer which ones were probably someone trying to dodge a pothole, and produce a likely-pothole-locations output for road repair planners. There's lots of work being done in that space.
[22:13] <fsphil> but doctor who starts the week after
[22:13] <fsphil> so we're safe
[22:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq are you there still?
[22:15] <Laurenceb__> myself: interesting, i dont even know what OpenXC is lol
[22:16] <Laurenceb__> ah google is my friend
[22:16] <Laurenceb__> lol no money for me then
[22:16] <Laurenceb__> all the work has been done already
[22:16] <myself> grant-readers don't need to know that :P
[22:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ***B-62*** for those tracking, go to custom and set Tune margin to 64. This helps a lot on the drift problem.
[22:21] <Laurenceb__> i wonder if B-60 will reappear
[22:21] <SA6BSS> got a qrg
[22:21] <Laurenceb__> probably worth waiting a couple of days
[22:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SA6BSS 434.499 here atm
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[22:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> for 1300Hz center
[22:23] <SA6BSS> tnx
[22:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> <<2014-06-28T22:23Z Contestia @ 434499000+1286>>
[22:24] <SA6BSS> finaly, got one parcial
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[22:27] <la3eq> B-62 drifting out of rang for me....good night all
[22:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Godnat 3eq
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[22:28] <SA6BSS> Gn
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[22:29] <aadamson> hey mikestir - worked perfectly :)
[22:30] <mikestir> huzzah
[22:30] <aadamson> no more clickity clickity clickity ...
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[22:32] <mikestir> sounds good
[22:34] <aadamson> Oh and my oh my are those 32.768khz rtc crystals tiny... sheesh, slightly smaller than 0603, not quite 0402, but dang close
[22:34] <mikestir> yeah you can get some wee ones
[22:34] <aadamson> I went and fixed my footprint a little just to help with manual lay down alignment
[22:35] <mikestir> I had to do that on the 16.384 MHz crystal on mine
[22:35] <mikestir> needed to pull the solder resist back a bit to make it hand solderable
[22:35] <aadamson> yeah I did the same - I used this one - http://www.abracon.com/Resonators/ABS05.pdf
[22:36] <aadamson> I also finally figured out how in diptrace to make the paste layer smaller than the thermal area
[22:36] <aadamson> I floated a few 4463's and had to go back and fix them the hard ware
[22:36] <aadamson> not any more, fixed all my thermals now
[22:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Goodnight all
[22:42] Nick change: OZ1SKY_Brian -> OZ1SKY_Zzz
[22:42] <SA6BSS> nite
[22:43] <mikestir> just contemplating whether it's worth trying to get a pass to come to the conference
[22:43] <mikestir> trying to get a price for a train ticket, but in usual retail style it's impossible to get a straight answer for anythin
[22:43] <mikestir> gh
[22:44] <aadamson> :) pass from work (or wife) :)
[22:44] <mikestir> wife of course :)
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[22:44] <aadamson> hehe
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[22:45] <aadamson> with my wife its all about *wife points* :) but we only have 2 dogs, no kids
[22:46] <fsphil> they can be as bad
[22:47] <aadamson> indeed... last year we took a cruise from FLA to Barcelona and flight back.
[22:47] <aadamson> boaring for the dogs cost as much as the cruise :)
[22:47] <aadamson> s/boaring/boarding
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[22:50] <mikestir> i've got a provisional pass
[22:50] <astrobiologist> we're they boarhounds though?
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[22:56] <mikestir> I think it's hilarious how national rail enquiries suggests journeys that involve sleeping on the platform of your departing station over night
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[23:10] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[23:19] <Laurenceb__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA_Formula_E_Championship
[23:19] <Laurenceb__> this doesnt make sense
[23:19] <Laurenceb__> 133kW for 45 minutes is 0.36GJ
[23:20] <Laurenceb__> then it will be running at max power some of the time, maybe 0.4GJ
[23:21] <Laurenceb__> thats 2.2MJ/Kg
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[23:24] <astrobiologist> can anybody point me in the direction of a guide for soldering pl259s?
[23:24] <Mi0VAX_Pete> hey astrobiologist - youtube is your friend for this one
[23:25] <Mi0VAX_Pete> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1nabA6yMoI
[23:28] <astrobiologist> Thanks I'll have a look now
[23:32] <Ian_> Best also to use clamp/gland nut ones, which like N type and BNC have a rubber gland and compression nut. fill the pin with solder and avoid the ones where you have to solder the braid.
[23:33] <Ian_> This is the type that you really want https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=pl259+compression+fitting
[23:34] <Ian_> And these are the more common and cheaper type that you don't want.
[23:35] <amell> flux is underrated. I love slathering parts in flux
[23:36] <Ian_> If you buy a cable like Aircell-7 (manufactured by SSB) then buy the connector there also. Some cables like the Westlake 103 have a slightly larger centre conductor, so if you don't buy their plugs, then you end up necking the centre conductor of the cable to fit. An obvious point for future failure.
[23:36] <Ian_> Flux is good.
[23:38] <Ian_> Trust me Astrobiologist I may not be as clever as a lot here, but I've seen a lot of failed plugs and they are invariably at the top of the mast . . . :)
[23:38] <Darkside> also, avoid PL259 whrever possible :-)
[23:39] <Darkside> i've switchd as much as i can to N
[23:41] <mfa298> I'd agree with all that advice
[23:42] <craag> N is great. Mechanically a lot more robust too
[23:42] <craag> In comparison to the horrendous tolerances on some PL259 samples
[23:42] <mfa298> also for the smaller connectors (MCX, SMA, BNC) get a decent crimptool and crimp the connectors.
[23:43] <Ian_> Very good point Darkside. PL259 start to crap out at 100MHz and are getting on usless by 150MHz due to the impedance becoming non-linear. N-type for outdoor work and higher powers etc. and BNC for a lot of instruments etc. if it doesn't need to be robust.
[23:43] <craag> I use BNC <100W, N above.
[23:43] <Ian_> I would hate to have to try and solder up a SMA plug and cable.
[23:44] <Ian_> BNC not a good choice for outside permanent use as the springs will rust.
[23:44] <mfa298> you'de need to find a solderable SMA first, almost all the ones out there are crimp.
[23:44] <Ian_> Beginning to read like a plug wiki
[23:45] <amell> have you ever tried to solder UFL? crikey.
[23:45] <mfa298> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:rf_connectors
[23:45] Action: craag slaps zeusbot with an n-type
[23:45] <mfa298> why waste an N-type
[23:45] <amell> UKhas wiki fail
[23:46] Action: mfa298 slaps zeusbot with a belling lee
[23:46] <amell> doesnt even cover UFL.
[23:46] <amell> theres also GSC
[23:46] <mfa298> amell: feel free to add to it. Most of that page I did in an evening and then other things became more interesting so it never got completed
[23:46] <Ian_> I just look to upu for SMA at the moment. Yet to be disappointed. Belling Lee. Not sure if you are young and smart or just a little older. Perish the thought of the standard TV plug. Must have sold a lot though!
[23:47] <mfa298> although the aim was to cover the sorts of connectors people generally see related to HAB's
[23:48] <Ian_> Nice page mfa298. Did you get my answer to your question of a couple of nights ago. Travelling from Sandwell, West Midlands. I think I will let the train take the strain for a novel experience of late.
[23:48] <mfa298> Ian_: I'm almost to the point now the only belling lee connectors I use are adapters to BNC, the cable is then URM70 with BNC's
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[23:49] <mfa298> Ian_: I did and I think I replied in the morning suggesting there's probably some other people heading from that sort of direction.
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[23:50] <mfa298> might be worth some posts to the list nearer the time looking for lift shares.
[23:52] <amell> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1s-Nvzii94 awesome
[23:52] <astrobiologist> kicked off quite a furore there I see :-)
[23:52] <Ian_> Ah, yes, you did - short memory. That sounds interesting. Currently I'm looking at travelling Friday afternoon/evening and will look at options for returning Saturday evening or Sunday morning, but unsure. The next thing to figure is which of the hotels will be frequented by anyone staying over so that I'm not looking at walls.
[23:54] <astrobiologist> was just going to say... just need to solder a basic rf plug for exam
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[23:54] <Ian_> If drones are used to harrass people it is to be expected.
[23:54] <mfa298> last year I think those staying over night visited a few pubs on the saturday night so I doubt saturday evening would be a problem
[23:54] <astrobiologist> I have some pl259s I picked up
[23:55] <astrobiologist> they have big rectangular cutouts in the casing... do I solder the braiding through those?
[23:55] <amell> i once slept on the floor of waterloo station, when i missed the last train, its not entirely recommended.
[23:56] <Ian_> Ah, yes, OK have fun with the PL259s. Some have an arrangement where you screw in the braid, but that's not such a good idea. Yes, but the whole thing will get very hot and you can easily screw up the insulation.
[23:57] <craag> For an easy plug, use BNC compression plugs
[23:57] <craag> astrobiologist: ^^
[23:57] <craag> Also far better then pl259 ;)
[23:58] <craag> gn all!
[23:58] <astrobiologist> I have ordered some crimp-type sma connectors and I have the right tool too
[23:58] <mfa298> pretty much for soldering any sort of RF connector use the compression types (N, PL259, BNC)
[23:58] <Ian_> I think travelling back Sunday will be not such a bad idea. I'm not a party animal as such but can have a rattle or listen well. Sleeping on stations is over rated.
[23:58] <astrobiologist> but stuck somewhere on the way from HK...
[23:58] <Ian_> Gnite craag
[23:59] <astrobiologist> have some cheap SWR meters with so239s
[23:59] <Ian_> Ah, but are the SWR meters rated to 70cm ?
[23:59] <astrobiologist> so might as well learn to do pl259s until/if the SMAs turn up...
[23:59] <astrobiologist> Ian_ yes they are
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