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[00:17] <aadamson> arko, was hoping you'd stay behind that storm or turn north, but noooooo, you are trying to run into it from the backside :)
[00:17] <arko> it's got a mind of its own!
[00:18] <aadamson> to both... yeah
[00:18] <aadamson> looked a new predition a few ago, not much change
[00:18] <arko> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/172600_trj001.gif
[00:18] <arko> yeah
[00:18] <aadamson> lots of lift in the area, that's they the cloudtops are so high... hoping you just skirt the edges, but it's hasn't moved all day
[00:19] <aadamson> yeah looks like what I saw about 30 mins ago ...
[00:19] <aadamson> looking at the battery curve on the datasheet, it should be good to 1.3v, that's about the edge of the cliff
[00:19] <aadamson> and temp obviously will come to play
[00:20] <aadamson> but think if it will stay out of the storm canada could be very likely
[00:20] <arko> time will tell
[00:20] <aadamson> indeed
[00:22] <arko> if you look at the rain doppler its riding between two rainstorms
[00:22] <aadamson> wow, just looked at the surface weather for the next 48 hours, that front isn't going anywhere
[00:22] <aadamson> yeah looking at that now
[00:24] <aadamson> the good thing is that conditions on the ground are sunny, so those are really high clouds it appears
[00:24] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/EGKk7Sa.jpg
[00:24] <arko> the storm its headed to goes away toon
[00:24] <arko> soon
[00:24] <aadamson> yeah, if you go to - https://aviationweather.gov/metar
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[00:25] <aadamson> you can get interactive reports from airports live and forecast for sky conditions
[00:25] <aadamson> helps know where the cloud level are
[00:26] <aadamson> if not a pilot click the decoded button in the bottom middle
[00:26] <aadamson> :)
[00:26] <aadamson> I am but I still can never read those bloody things
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[00:27] <aadamson> I forget, you pico avr based? (the one of your own)
[00:27] <arko> yeah, next rev is msp430 though
[00:28] <arko> i have two version atm
[00:28] <arko> one has software the other doesnt
[00:28] <aadamson> ah cool,
[00:28] <arko> still need to write the msp430 stuff, but its more porting than anything since 80% of the C makes it over ok
[00:28] <aadamson> yeah I never ventured down the msp path, just went straight to arms
[00:29] <arko> stm is alright
[00:29] <arko> i wish i had the time to do asm rather than c
[00:29] <aadamson> I knew it so it was an easy thing to plus I got to play with an L version
[00:29] <aadamson> ah, lifes too short for asm :)
[00:29] <arko> psh
[00:29] <aadamson> hehe
[00:30] <arko> asm is awesome, i love it for creating tight control code
[00:30] <arko> no second guessing what your C is compiled to do
[00:30] <aadamson> yeah I did my share with 8051's... and yeah that is always a challenge
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[00:31] <aadamson> I have a good friend who's a diehard embedded guy
[00:31] <aadamson> he's really big on the LPC's at the moment the little tiny ones
[00:31] <arko> excited to take a crack at doing demoscene graphics in asm
[00:31] <arko> sometime this summer
[00:31] <aadamson> sounds like a fun challenge
[00:32] <arko> nxp?
[00:32] <aadamson> yeah, sorry, said lpc which is it, but nxp
[00:32] <arko> cool
[00:33] <arko> they have some decent dsp modules built in to one of families
[00:33] <arko> i forget which
[00:36] <aadamson> yeah
[00:37] <aadamson> had to escape for a few and put the dogs to bed - sheesh, you'd think I had kids :)
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[00:39] <aadamson> ah come on Sven, you can add a few more DL7AD's to the list :)...
[00:39] <aadamson> I only count 4 atm
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[00:41] <aadamson> and then there were 2 .. lol
[00:42] <aadamson> arko, what do you do for jpl?
[00:45] <arko> things
[00:45] <arko> mostly stuff :(
[00:45] <arko> :)*
[00:46] <aadamson> yeah, stuff is good
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[01:01] <aadamson> I know we've amazed a few people over here at how well 10mW works at altitude
[01:01] <aadamson> I see all these guys wanting 10W radios and now I just shake my head
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[01:39] <blakangel> arko aprs spamming the nation
[01:39] <arko> ain't nuthin' but a B thang
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[02:05] <joeman> I have a 1 watt one
[02:05] <joeman> I know that works 3km from ptp on earth
[02:05] <joeman> 35km
[02:08] <joeman> 10watt sounds excessive :)
[02:08] <joeman> I think the wattage of the Voyager missions is approx 20 watts
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[08:11] <tweetBot> @adamcudworth: Final preps for todays HABE 13 launch around midday #UKHAS
[08:11] <cuddykid> hi all
[08:12] <cuddykid> hoping for a launch around midday
[08:18] <UpuWork> morning Adam
[08:18] <UpuWork> have we done a doc ?
[08:19] <cuddykid> morning UpuWork
[08:19] <cuddykid> dont think its approved - not appearing on cal feed or fldigi
[08:20] <cuddykid> I did one a few days ago, forgot the UUID though - can do another if that helps?
[08:20] <cuddykid> got the message in #habhub - thanks :)
[08:22] <UpuWork> btw cuddykid when you aren't so busy PM me I have a small box of parts for you still here
[08:23] <mikestir-work> UpuWork: I was hoping to pick your brains about ublox PSM if you have a minute?
[08:23] <UpuWork> try me :)
[08:23] <cuddykid> oh yes - Ill try and remember to this evening UpuWork :)
[08:23] <cuddykid> this may be my last launch though :(
[08:24] <mikestir-work> have you come up with an optimal configuration for the various parameters that can be set? I don't seem to be getting much of a power saving
[08:24] <UpuWork> My findings are
[08:24] <mikestir-work> If I set, say, a 5 second update rate then what I see is it go into low power mode after it gets a fix, then wake up after 5 seconds and draw more power than normal with no fix
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[08:24] <UpuWork> leave everything as default
[08:25] <mikestir-work> then it may eventually get a fix back, after which it never goes back to low power and just draws the same current as in normal mode
[08:25] <UpuWork> just enable power saving when you have a lock and sats > 4
[08:25] <UpuWork> if the sats < 4 switch back to max performance
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[08:25] <mikestir-work> ok I'll try that this evening
[08:25] <UpuWork> once you turn PSM on it does seem to take a min or so before it drops
[08:26] <mikestir-work> right. maybe I'm just being too impatient then. What about putting it into backup mode for longer shutdown periods? Do you know if anyone has experimented with that?
[08:33] <UpuWork> that is a dark art I've not considered yet
[08:36] <mikestir-work> It draws virtually no current if you put it in that mode, then you need to blip reset to get it back
[08:36] <mikestir-work> It's not yet clear to me whether it wipes out the navigation data when doing that though
[08:36] <UpuWork> people have issues
[08:37] <UpuWork> as it reports random positions for a period afterwards
[08:37] <mikestir-work> I noticed it resets the time to something in the year 3184 or so
[08:37] <mikestir-work> then eventually back to 1980
[08:40] <mikestir-work> current plan is to fly one of these next wednesday for a float. I'd like to use a AAA so I need to do some work on power management, but I don't want to do anything too risky
[08:40] <mikestir-work> modulation will be olivia 8/500 so will be interesting to see how that goes
[08:41] <UpuWork> what radio ?
[08:41] <mikestir-work> si4060
[08:41] <UpuWork> which step up ?
[08:41] <mikestir-work> mcp1640 (iirc)
[08:41] <UpuWork> ok not used that one
[08:42] <UpuWork> if you just enable power saving mode
[08:42] <mikestir-work> seems pretty good
[08:42] <UpuWork> which defaults to 1 sec cyclic
[08:42] <UpuWork> you should be getting 20-24 hours from an AAA
[08:42] <mikestir-work> that's about what I calculated. would be nice to get a bit more
[08:43] <UpuWork> more means switching to 10 sec cyclic
[08:43] <UpuWork> and not transmitting as much I suspect
[08:43] <mikestir-work> really it will depend how much work I get done on power management over the weekend
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[08:44] <UpuWork> exactly :)
[08:44] <mikestir-work> I can get it down to a couple of uA in a timed sleep, but that runs the risk of hitting that gps weirdness when it comes back on
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[08:47] <UpuWork> be interested to see what you come up with
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[09:38] <mclane_> UpuWork: good morning Anthony
[09:38] <Trieste> Does any of you by any chance have an emergency payload detachment system on their baloons?
[09:39] <mclane_> can you please approve the flight document a1dc5a7a633ba88555d1247dca12cc7c ?
[09:41] <mclane_> Trieste: we have experimented with a pyro cutdown; but never flown so far http://www.pirnay.com/index.php/en/en-home-2/m-konstruktion-en/mnu-cutdown-en
[09:44] <Trieste> mclane_: ooh, that's cool! thanks :)
[09:44] <UpuWork> approved mclane_
[09:45] <mclane_> Thank you!
[09:45] <fsphil> some also have a heated element (nichrome wire or low value resistor) which can melt the nylon cord holding the payload to the balloon
[09:46] <Trieste> fsphil: I also considered that, but I wasn't really sure whether the heat generated would be enough to melt it; while being reliable enough not to break apart on its own :)
[09:46] <ibanezmatt13_> http://nbviewer.ipython.org/gist/ibanezmatt13/e72e43feca4a50d3905f <- for getting the cutdown parameters right :)
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[09:49] <Trieste> ibanezmatt13_: thank you!
[09:50] <ibanezmatt13_> np. So it's just a quadratic in L, based on resistivity, diameter of wire, target power, internal resistance etc etc. Testing is a good idea though!
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[09:51] <ibanezmatt13_> I think the target power is > 90000W/m^2 for the cutdown, though better check
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[09:53] <daveake> 1/4W resistor 4W the end
[09:55] <ibanezmatt13_> ^ far easier method that works :P
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[10:09] <cuddykid> hi all
[10:09] <cuddykid> balloon filled
[10:09] <cuddykid> trackers on
[10:09] <cuddykid> launch in around 15/20mins :)
[10:09] <joeman> cool
[10:09] <joeman> lucky duck
[10:09] <joeman> :)
[10:11] <cuddykid> decoding - should be on spacenear any sec
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[10:16] <jarod> cuddykid launch from where?
[10:17] <daveake> What freq ?
[10:18] <WillDWork> email says 434.2
[10:18] <Steve_G0TDJ_> cuddykid: Bon Flight
[10:19] <daveake> ta
[10:19] <jonsowman> At launch site :)
[10:20] <jonsowman> Considering just having picnic in sun instead of launching
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[10:20] <daveake> good plan
[10:20] <fsphil> I endorse this plan
[10:20] <daveake> please don't stream it tho
[10:21] <fsphil> bit cloudy here sadly
[10:21] <daveake> I don't get fed for a couple of hours
[10:21] <Jess--M0VBR> Bacon Butties here daveake
[10:21] <daveake> grrrr
[10:22] <G4MYS_Andy> which launch are we speaking of?
[10:22] <jonsowman> calthorpe park and susf
[10:22] <SgtBurned> Jess--M0VBR: You do know you have to share with us all now...
[10:23] <Jess--M0VBR> not enough hp sauce SgtBurned
[10:23] <jonsowman> Excuses
[10:23] <SgtBurned> Also N6ARA-12 was so close to making the Canadian border!
[10:23] <G4MYS_Andy> excellent many thanks just nowt on my maps yet!!!
[10:23] <SgtBurned> Jess--M0VBR: I'll supply HP sauce if you supply butties and bacon
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[10:25] <jonsowman> ah we having got around to turning uploading on yet, will do shortly
[10:25] <jonsowman> Haven't
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[10:30] <cuddykid> having gopro problems
[10:30] <cuddykid> turning itself off again after ~5mins
[10:30] <cuddykid> anyone else had this
[10:30] <cuddykid> ?
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[10:37] <craag> http://batc.tv/streams/m0dny
[10:37] <craag> ^^ SUSF Launch Stream
[10:37] <cuddykid> swapped over the gopro - running it for 5mins to see if it shuts off
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[10:40] <mfa298> downside of disabling chat on batc is that almost everyone appears as guest[0-9]{3}
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[10:41] <tweetBot> @thecraag: Live Stream for the @SUSpaceflight High Altitude Balloon Launch today is running right now at: http://t.co/eYO6yFzZ6h #hamr #hamradio #UKHAS
[10:41] <craag> Ha
[10:42] <craag> Is chat disabled?
[10:42] <craag> for you mfa298 ?
[10:42] <mfa298> it was before I logged in
[10:42] <craag> Thought it was registered users only
[10:42] <craag> Cool
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[10:42] <mfa298> not any more but then I don't need to /nick on there now I've logged in
[10:44] <craag> Removed the restriction
[10:48] <cuddykid> swapped out the camera and its worked - ready for launch
[10:50] <daveake> I see much standing
[10:50] <fsphil> standing is an important part of launching
[10:53] <jonsowman> right
[10:53] <jonsowman> Filling time
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[10:55] <cuddykid> up
[10:55] <daveake> What sort of filling? Coronation chicken?
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[10:56] <cuddykid> payload details: ~1kg with chute, 1000g hwoyee, expected burst ~31000m
[10:57] <Jess--M0VBR> freq cuddykid
[10:57] <Steve_G0TDJ_> 434.2
[10:58] <Jess--M0VBR> Cheers
[10:58] <daveake> I have a hill in the way here for that direction; should be a strong signal once it clears that
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[11:01] <MightyMik> 7N2?
[11:02] <Steve_G0TDJ_> 7n1 auto configured on FLDigi
[11:03] <Jess--M0VBR> clean decode in lincs
[11:04] <Jess--M0VBR> 7n1
[11:04] <cuddykid> its shooting up - was aiming for more around 5ms
[11:05] <daveake> You might get GCHQ if you're lucky
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[11:17] <Steve_G0TDJ_> I should be hearing HABE by now. Can anyone give me a dial freq. please?
[11:17] <g8fjg_ron> 434.1989
[11:17] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Cheers
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[11:19] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Weak sigs here.
[11:21] <g8fjg_ron> 30 over noise floor here ....QTH?
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[11:26] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Partials...
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[11:27] <g8fjg_ron> G0TDJ just found you ! other side of the river!!
[11:27] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Thats me :-)
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[11:29] <g8fjg_ron> shooters hill in that direction? 295deg
[11:29] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Not that far away. 20min car journey
[11:31] <realflash> What freq is HABE on?
[11:31] <Steve_G0TDJ_> 434.199.18 currently
[11:32] <chrisg7ogx> nice sigs
[11:35] <G8AFC> Very strong in Manchester - some QSB but probably due to X polarisation
[11:36] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Not much luck here. Good sigs but lot soof corruption
[11:36] <Steve_G0TDJ_> And suddenly, I@m getting greens....
[11:37] <g8fjg_ron> Popped over That Hill
[11:39] <Steve_G0TDJ_> I@m waiting for joey_b to launch. I'm interested to see if I can Rx the FM sigs
[11:40] <g8fjg_ron> looks like ther're ready to launch
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[11:43] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Java software ready
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[11:44] <Maxell> RXing no green yet @ The HAgue
[11:46] <daveake> Get that balloon launched already :p
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[11:50] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: RXing anything from HABE?
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[11:51] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: far from "partial-ish" here $$HABE,532*11:u0:36V=2.081Q204,-2.0145081,20232LT0991
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[11:51] <jonsowman> sodding regulator
[11:51] <jonsowman> slowest filling ever
[11:51] <jonsowman> Sigh
[11:51] <DutchMillbt> Afternoon Maxell not in the RXmode at the moment... working@qrl ( Gorinchem)
[11:52] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: hehehe oki!
[11:52] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Solid sigs from HABE here now
[11:52] <Maxell> qrm on the qrg :| http://i.sigio.nl/3620ee4cd73abee518e1812f260c7486.png
[11:52] <Maxell> AM it seems
[11:52] <Maxell> Greens now :)
[11:54] <craag> silky smooth video stream
[11:54] <daveake> yup
[11:54] <craag> will have try > 320x240 next time :)
[11:54] <daveake> :)
[11:55] <malgar> mclane_: when will you launch tomorrow?
[11:55] <malgar> we will try to listen to your balloon from italy
[11:55] <chrisg7ogx> Joey b up up and away...
[11:56] <Maxell> good luck joey team!
[11:56] <realflash> I'm trying to track for the first time. I have what seems solid signal, but the decode is giving junk. I used the auto-configure button. Screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/l/bAP3u6shoTIug39mPdO8Vo?
[11:57] <Maxell> realflash: are you recieving in USB?
[11:57] <Maxell> you could also try the RV button
[11:57] <MightyMik> it's 7N1
[11:57] <chrisg7ogx> 7n1
[11:57] <Maxell> MightyMik: autoconfigure sets it corectly
[11:58] <MightyMik> i don't use autoconfig
[11:58] <realflash> Yes, GQRX in USB and the audio sounds exactly right
[11:58] <Maxell> realflash: does ticking the "RV" (reverse) button helps
[11:58] <Maxell> right lower corner
[11:59] <realflash> No change
[12:01] <realflash> Looks like auto-configure has worked. 7n1 is set
[12:01] <Maxell> Are you using pulse audio?
[12:02] <realflash> PortAudio is ticked in fldigi
[12:02] <Maxell> I've been in this situation before with pulseaudio... Something screws up the timing.
[12:02] <Maxell> hmm not sure then
[12:02] <Maxell> wDo you have an android device?
[12:02] <realflash> Yes
[12:02] <Maxell> You could try decoding with that
[12:02] <Maxell> helps troubleshooting :)
[12:03] <realflash> Go on
[12:03] <Maxell> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brejza.matt.habmodem
[12:04] <fsphil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27938230
[12:04] <chrisg7ogx> joey b heard
[12:05] <realflash> I've got it. Does it work through the mic on the phone?
[12:06] <chrisg7ogx> Matt ur software working!
[12:07] <realflash> I've figured it out. That is decoding successfully.
[12:07] <realflash> Possibly pulse audio is still active in the background
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[12:10] <g8fjg_ron> got partial decodes
[12:10] <fsphil> how's the FM going?
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[12:10] <chrisg7ogx> good here
[12:13] <chrisg7ogx> look for lots of thin vertical lines TX for ! min then 20 second break
[12:14] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Set on FM yes? chrisg7ogx
[12:14] <chrisg7ogx> harmonics maybe? i am quite close
[12:14] <chrisg7ogx> yes
[12:14] <daveake> habe on its way down
[12:14] <Maxell> realflash: ok nice yes then the problem is something with getting the audio from gqrx to fldigi
[12:14] <Steve_G0TDJ_> 434.612
[12:14] <chrisg7ogx> java sotware 50 baud BIN AFSK
[12:15] <chrisg7ogx> break now
[12:16] <chrisg7ogx> tx now
[12:16] <mikestir-work> I stuck my baofeng on the office windowsill. nothing here yet though (unsurprisingly!)
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[12:18] <chrisg7ogx> get on the roof!
[12:18] <g8fjg_ron> the break is for rtty on .613....I'm tuned to 616 dial ...2.5khz dev
[12:19] <chrisg7ogx> yes i saw those lines!
[12:20] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Still nothing here. I'm using DLFLdigis waterfall too
[12:20] <mikestir-work> I'm pretty much on the roof anyway chrisg7ogx :)
[12:20] <chrisg7ogx> bad day then!
[12:20] <fsphil> get to da chopper
[12:20] <realflash> I'll try to dig into this problem a bit. I'm wondering if a kernel with real time audio enabled would help
[12:21] <chrisg7ogx> where are you Steve G0TDJ
[12:21] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Dartford
[12:21] <fsphil> pulseaudio has actually been behaving for me recently
[12:21] <fsphil> I wonder if a recent update has fixed my issue
[12:21] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Green circle about to cross my QTH
[12:21] <fsphil> sadly my new laptop is incompatible with the fcdpp so I can't check :/
[12:21] <realflash> I am using Lubuntu 13.10
[12:21] <realflash> So it's a little old
[12:21] <mikestir-work> fsphil: that sample rate problem was fixed a while ago. maybe it found its way into some distros now
[12:22] <fsphil> yea I remember someone linked me to the fix
[12:22] <realflash> What are you using fsphil?
[12:22] <fsphil> I've not been keeping an eye on my updates so it's likely
[12:22] <fsphil> realflash: fedora
[12:22] <realflash> Which version?
[12:22] <fsphil> * fedora 20
[12:22] <fsphil> I have a few rtlsdr I can try
[12:23] <fsphil> the old fcd works too iirc
[12:23] <fsphil> not sure if there's a firmware bug in the fcdpp
[12:23] <fsphil> or if it's in linux
[12:24] <chrisg7ogx> Steve G0TDJ should be knocking on your door soon!
[12:24] <realflash> Thanks. I've been putting off upgrading because GQRX requires qt4 and I'm expecting Ubuntu to remove qt4 any day now
[12:24] <fsphil> I think I built it with qt5
[12:24] <fsphil> lemme check
[12:24] <Steve_G0TDJ_> chrisg7ogx: Does this look right: sync> f8 42 <L:328> 1d 23 86 83 80 42 03 02 1c 89.......
[12:24] <chrisg7ogx> yes it does congrats
[12:25] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Well, I seem to have lost it now but I'll see if I can reacquire. I can't see the signal
[12:25] <chrisg7ogx> are you using matt's little Jave decoder?
[12:25] <fsphil> ah no, built with qt4
[12:25] <Steve_G0TDJ_> YEs
[12:26] <Steve_G0TDJ_> JOEY_b,17395,13:25:58,51.3098579,-1.189501,10267.0*803d
[12:26] <chrisg7ogx> steve there is a gap in TX to allow TX of another RTTY sig on .613
[12:26] <Steve_G0TDJ_> rgr
[12:27] <Steve_G0TDJ_> I'm getting the Hex codes
[12:29] <chrisg7ogx> can someone post on here the link to download the Java software for Joey B?
[12:29] <Steve_G0TDJ_> http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fusers.ecs.soton.ac.uk%2Fmfb2g09%2Fdecoder%2Fdecoder.jar&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHebTGzeolTZGExswTPqt-RVTcgjQ
[12:29] <craag> http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mfb2g09/decoder/decoder.jar
[12:29] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Second telemtry string: JOEY_b,17403,13:29:02,51.2944745,-1.1673052,11297.0*ae30
[12:29] <UpuWork> craag http://i.imgur.com/zbFgvk6.jpg
[12:29] <chrisg7ogx> tks thought others may want to play!!
[12:30] <Maxell> ready for JOEY FM binary :)
[12:30] <craag> UpuWork: Looking swish :)
[12:30] <chrisg7ogx> Steve ur on the map
[12:30] <Steve_G0TDJ_> chrisg7ogx: Getting telemetry now it seems. I still can't see a signal visibly though, facinating
[12:30] <UpuWork> if it works :)
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[12:30] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Yay! Have you a link
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[12:31] <chrisg7ogx> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[12:31] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Oh it feeds into Spacenear
[12:32] <mattbrejza> all goood?
[12:32] <chrisg7ogx> Yarp get into the habit of accessing it when you clean ur teeth! Especially if you want to snag one of Leo's B sewries Balloons
[12:32] <chrisg7ogx> mattbreza software heap good
[12:33] <Maxell> How much FM bandwidth is being used?
[12:34] <realflash> looks like qt4-default is still in Ubuntu 14.04 so I'll have a go with that
[12:34] <Steve_G0TDJ_> g8fjg_ron: What's your dial Ron?
[12:34] <g8fjg_ron> .618
[12:34] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Cheers, I was a little low
[12:35] <realflash> fsphil: If you can dig up the link to that fix I can work out which distros have it and which don't and we can add that to the Wiki
[12:36] <craag> mattbrejza: Does your android app do turbohab too?
[12:36] <mattbrejza> ya
[12:36] <craag> awesome
[12:36] <chrisg7ogx> have to go and cut the lawn/field b4 wifey comes home BRB
[12:37] <g8fjg_ron> Maxell its using 8khz on my waterfall...I'm set to 2.5khz dev
[12:37] <Steve_G0TDJ_> I can see the sgnal now
[12:38] <Maxell> g8fjg_ron: ok thanks updated freq and bandwidth... Still nothing here
[12:38] <mattbrejza> iys set to 3.5khz dev so pribs neded 8khz bw filter
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[12:42] <Maxell> g8fjg_ron: how is the signal strenght? Not seeing anything here yet
[12:43] <g8fjg_ron> 40 db over noise...the rtty on 614 is the same ...dial now 434.618
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[12:43] <Seejjay> Hi, Any SDR Console VAC experts here? Trying to get both payloads o/head right now!
[12:43] <g8fjg_ron> S9
[12:44] <mfa298> realflash: missed some of the convo but if it's gqrx you're playing with 14.04 has it packaged in the repo - although I've not really used it much yet
[12:45] <Jess--M0VBR> what shift are people using to rx pop?
[12:45] <Maxell> g8fjg_ron: intresting... the pop freq also quiet
[12:45] <realflash> mfa298: I have it compiled, installed and working, the conversation is about the pulseaudio problem that means fldigi doesn't decode successfully
[12:46] <mfa298> Seejjay: you'll need to ensure VAC has enough cables (you'll want at least 2), in sdr-console you can then set each vfo to output to a different device, then fire up a couple of instances of dl-fldigi and set them to the various VAC channels
[12:47] <mfa298> realflash: ah right, I've not tried it tracking a balloon yet. only did the apt-get install gqrx-sdr and build of dl-fidigi from source (mostly to generate the notes for the wiki)
[12:48] <g8fjg_ron> Maxell , where are you?
[12:49] <Seejjay> mfa29: I have a single instance of SDR with A and B VFO's tuned to each of the payloads. Left Channel gets VFOA and outputs to VAC1 - VFOB to Right Channel and VAC2. Audio looks different on both VACs. but I can't get anything into second instance of dl-fldigi despite selecting VAC 2 for it's input
[12:49] <mikestir-work> realflash: I think it's this one: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66424
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[12:51] <Steve_G0TDJ_> g8fjg_ron: Lost the signal. Can't see any trace on the W/F
[12:51] <Maxell> g8fjg_ron: The Hague, Netherlands.
[12:51] <g8fjg_ron> Steve still +40
[12:51] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Strange. Should be for me too.
[12:52] <Steve_G0TDJ_> 434.618MHz yes?
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[12:52] <realflash> Excellent, thanks. I'll try to track that down
[12:52] <g8fjg_ron> yes
[12:53] <Steve_G0TDJ_> I have a Diamond X50 up. It should be banging my windows out
[12:54] <g8fjg_ron> there's a big birdie on the POP qrg 434.654..hear that?
[12:54] <jonsowman> could someone change predicted burst alt to 34600 please
[12:55] <g8fjg_ron> It's all Vpol the hpol sig is 15-20db down
[12:56] <Maxell> ok pop 300 baud telemetr is coming trough $$POP1,35176$12:56:09,5113.2038-,0104.Y822<184222.6,-14.2,1=1,23Y27,875l3000,1055,310x,2193,,09,73*A331
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[12:58] <realflash> That fix was committed in-between pulseaudio releases 4 and 5. So we're probably looking for a distro shipping pulseaudio 5
[12:59] <Steve_G0TDJ_> g8fjg_ron: Sorry, had to go AFK - Yes, POP is a big signal
[13:01] <g8fjg_ron> thats the problem being a Nuub ( dont even know how to spell it!..that "birdie is POP 300 baud..DOH
[13:03] <Steve_G0TDJ_> g8fjg_ron: Gone back to JOEY_b now and I have reacquired the signal
[13:04] <mfa298> Seejjay: you'll need to use left (or both channels) on each vfo
[13:07] <Maxell> 86 00 a4 4a 4f 45 59 01 cd 42 2f 02 00 03 93 00 00 00 04 00 05 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 25 dc
[13:07] <Maxell> JOEY_b,16943,01:00:00,0.0,0.0,0.0*63ee
[13:07] <Maxell> is this a real decode?
[13:07] <Maxell> :P
[13:07] <Maxell> oh wait still the test string
[13:08] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Is it sending a test string out along with the telemetry?
[13:08] <Seejjay> mfa298: I'll have a go. TA!
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[13:09] <Maxell> Steve_G0TDJ_: no my I did not reset the software after testing
[13:09] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Oh OK
[13:10] <g8fjg_ron> I get 2 lines of telemetry starting with<sync> f8 02 <L:328> ends with<P> then data that doesn't "decode"
[13:10] <Steve_G0TDJ_> My last string was: JOEY_b,17494,14:03:51,51.2143553,-1.098814,21861.0*44e0 about 5mins ago
[13:11] <g8fjg_ron> If it corrects a error I think I've seen it report the fact
[13:11] <g8fjg_ron> yes that looks like the decoded binary
[13:12] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Wasthat the last one? I'm still getting Hex
[13:12] <g8fjg_ron> up to report 17515
[13:12] <g8fjg_ron> it just "fixed 2" errors on my rx
[13:12] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Not seen it say that
[13:13] <g8fjg_ron> qsb on signal now
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[13:13] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Problem is (for me) my '857 has noise on the low end of the passband and the FM sig is slap in the middle of it.
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[13:15] <g8fjg_ron> tes that sig on .600 20khz wide ..sort of ax25
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[13:15] <G4MYS_Andy> very strong signal on 434.653 but cant sus how to decode it!
[13:16] <Seejjay> 2 stop bits on your RTTY?
[13:16] <UpuWork> that one is rtty
[13:16] <g8fjg_ron> I used 300 baud 7n1 450 shift
[13:16] <G4MYS_Andy> 2 stop bits
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[13:19] <g8fjg_ron> but the email says 7n2?
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[13:20] <G4MYS_Andy> can we have some mpre clues? RTTY or RTTYR?
[13:20] <g8fjg_ron> still works 7n1 for me
[13:21] <Steve_G0TDJ_> No more luck with the FM so I@ve QSYed POP1
[13:23] <mfa298> Steve_G0TDJ_: you might want to check your position settings unless you really are off the coast of west africa
[13:24] <Steve_G0TDJ_> I wondered where I'd dissapeard to
[13:27] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Phew, Back - It was hot over there....
[13:27] <tweetBot> @adamcudworth: HABE 13 has been recovered from a sunny field near Cheltenham - great flight. Thanks to listeners. #ukhas
[13:28] <WillDWork> nobody pinched it this time then!
[13:28] <G4MYS_Andy> whats the point of putting somethingf up no one can decode?
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[13:31] <g8fjg_ron> Andy do you mean the sig on .653 or .618
[13:32] <mclane_> malgar: I was away from the keyboard. Launch planned for 9.30 CEST
[13:32] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Coming down....
[13:33] <G4MYS_Andy> .654
[13:33] <Steve_G0TDJ_> Yep
[13:33] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ_ -> Steve_G0TDJ
[13:33] <g8fjg_ron> now to see how the system copes with big qsb
[13:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> POP1 has gone very ropey
[13:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> AFK
[13:35] <g8fjg_ron> Its fixing the errors
[13:38] <g8fjg_ron> fixed 2 fixed 2 fixed 5 ditto, fixed 2 fixed 3...didnt cope with last burst
[13:40] <g8fjg_ron> fixed 11, thats the down side of FM drop below a certain level and its all over
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[13:42] <tweetBot> @SUSpaceflight: Why does tracking always end up in Tesco car parks? #ukhas http://t.co/Xo0377Svil
[13:54] <fsphil> modes with FEC tend to do that anyway. fine until a certain point then nothing
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[13:58] <craag> Will be interesting to see the FEC stats
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[14:04] <Maxell> the fm needs some more power though
[14:05] <Maxell> no single trace on the fm
[14:05] <Maxell> 300 baud rtty had lagly partial
[14:05] <Maxell> slargely
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[14:05] <fsphil> if this had been done on the weekend I'd have tried with the yagi
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[14:09] <g8fjg_ron> sig now only 10db over noise, can still get sync but no whole decodes, antenna only 10 ft above ground
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[14:10] <g8fjg_ron> sig gone
[14:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Pretty much lost POP1 now
[14:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Not bad - 2k
[14:15] <SamSilver> Could be a catch.
[14:15] <SamSilver> Hi Steve ; anyone caught a payload yet?
[14:16] <craag> I got rtty on my handheld at the window just now
[14:16] <craag> (FM)
[14:16] <g8fjg_ron> best correction was 20
[14:16] <craag> but it was *just* on the discriminator threshold
[14:16] <craag> (wouxon with stock antenna)
[14:16] <fsphil> I don't think anyone has caught one yet
[14:18] <fsphil> http://projecthorus.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/IMG_0933.jpg
[14:18] <fsphil> nearly though :)
[14:19] <g8fjg_ron> time to go
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[14:21] <UpuWork> I could see the FM
[14:21] <UpuWork> but won't install Java as its agains my religion
[14:22] <fsphil> proud of you
[14:22] <craag> could use the phone app..
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[14:37] <Maxell> UpuWork: this
[14:37] <SamSilver> Ahh ... I think that was darkside running across the out-back for a near catch.
[14:37] <Maxell> UpuWork: I routed the audio to another box just to not have to install the java applet :P
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[15:23] <mclane_> POP / JOEY recovered?
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[15:32] <ewsclass66> hey guys
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[15:32] <ewsclass66> r u guys
[15:32] <ewsclass66> tracking the ballon?
[15:33] <UpuWork> hi ewsclass66
[15:33] <UpuWork> which one ?
[15:35] <tweetBot> @SUSpaceflight: Recovered from a bush in a garden #ukhas
[15:35] <ewsclass66> the calthorpe one
[15:35] <UpuWork> --> [16:36] <tweetBot> @SUSpaceflight: Recovered from a bush in a garden #ukhas
[15:36] <ewsclass66> really
[15:36] <ewsclass66> great
[15:36] <ewsclass66> i am a student
[15:36] <ewsclass66> i am head of gps tracking
[15:36] <UpuWork> ah hi
[15:36] <UpuWork> seems to have worked then
[15:36] <ewsclass66> what brings u here?
[15:36] <ewsclass66> yeah
[15:36] <UpuWork> me ?
[15:36] <ewsclass66> yes
[15:36] <UpuWork> oh you know just lurking
[15:36] <ewsclass66> lol
[15:36] <ewsclass66> have u launched a balloon before?
[15:37] <UpuWork> one or two yes :)
[15:37] <UpuWork> not as many as LeoBodnar
[15:37] <ewsclass66> cool
[15:37] <UpuWork> I run the servers behind spacenear/habhub
[15:37] <ewsclass66> do u use the spacenearus tracker?
[15:37] <ewsclass66> oh
[15:37] <ewsclass66> cool
[15:37] <UpuWork> yeah accept no substitute
[15:37] <ewsclass66> how do they work
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[15:38] <ewsclass66> we have a tablet converting binary to gps data wich then goes to the server
[15:38] <UpuWork> yeah so that tablet uploads the data
[15:38] <UpuWork> which gets stuck in a database
[15:38] <ewsclass66> yeah
[15:38] <ewsclass66> do u use MYSQL?
[15:38] <UpuWork> which is then used for a number of things one of which is the visualisation i.e th emap
[15:38] <ewsclass66> ok
[15:38] <UpuWork> no
[15:38] <ewsclass66> then does php interpret it
[15:39] <UpuWork> I don't get involved in the coding side of things
[15:39] <UpuWork> I'm not that clever
[15:39] <ewsclass66> oh ok
[15:39] <UpuWork> CouchDB and psql I think
[15:39] <ewsclass66> i oh right ok
[15:39] <UpuWork> http://habitat.habhub.org/
[15:39] <ewsclass66> oh col thx
[15:40] <ewsclass66> do u host it?
[15:40] <UpuWork> I do
[15:40] <ewsclass66> cool
[15:40] <UpuWork> its in a data center in Manchester
[15:40] <ewsclass66> what computer runs uit?
[15:40] <UpuWork> its a pair of servers
[15:40] <ewsclass66> do u have a company hosting it or do u have the servers yourself
[15:40] <Maxell> "cloud"
[15:41] Action: UpuWork stabs Maxell
[15:41] <UpuWork> I run the hosting company
[15:41] <ewsclass66> lol
[15:41] <UpuWork> and have the servers myself
[15:41] <ewsclass66> what is it called
[15:41] <UpuWork> and I dislike the word cloud
[15:41] <ewsclass66> can u host my website?
[15:41] <UpuWork> its marketing BS
[15:41] <UpuWork> sure if you pay me
[15:41] <ewsclass66> how much
[15:41] <mfa298> one strong hint, you really want servers in a data centre not an office / bedroom. They're noisy things (/me has two next to him in the office)
[15:41] <UpuWork> and hot
[15:41] <ewsclass66> how much do i nedd
[15:41] <ewsclass66> need
[15:42] <UpuWork> I do hosting for businesses really
[15:42] <ewsclass66> will i get ftp
[15:42] <ewsclass66> php
[15:42] <ewsclass66> MYSQL
[15:42] Action: Maxell reads "clown" if some hosting company uses the term cloud.
[15:42] <UpuWork> I just get ranty
[15:42] <ewsclass66> ok
[15:42] <Maxell> "clown"vps "clown"hosting "clown"storage
[15:42] <UpuWork> we run the website for some two bit football club as well
[15:43] <UpuWork> www.mcfc.co.uk
[15:43] <ewsclass66> i will stick to my raspberry pi web server then
[15:43] <nats`> ewsclass66 you can make a good server from a NUC
[15:43] <ewsclass66> yeah point
[15:43] <nats`> those little intel computer are not too expensive and work well
[15:43] <mfa298> ewsclass66: for small sites you're better off playing on a Pi or linux VM and using shared hosting or a small vps for decent web hosting.
[15:44] <ewsclass66> yeah
[15:44] <ewsclass66> that is my current setup
[15:44] <mfa298> hosting proper servers is for when your site get's really big
[15:44] <ewsclass66> yeah
[15:44] <ewsclass66> as the more demanding your code becomes
[15:44] <nats`> mfa298 a NUC is definitely better than aPI
[15:44] <ewsclass66> yeah of course
[15:44] <nats`> and doesn't make more noise :D
[15:44] <ewsclass66> the pi has a 700mhz core
[15:44] <nats`> I have one running 24/24 in my bedroom
[15:44] <nats`> core i3 2ghz
[15:44] <UpuWork> Man City have four front end web servers, a clustered MS SQL backend on a redundant Netapp SAN. Two content management servers, two DC's and a seperate backup server
[15:44] <mfa298> nats`: for learning about stuff the Pi is good enough and a lot cheaper than a NUC
[15:45] <ewsclass66> but i have overclocked it to !ghz
[15:45] <ewsclass66> 1ghz
[15:45] <UpuWork> + cisco load balancers
[15:45] <UpuWork> firewalls etc
[15:45] <UpuWork> over £100k of kit
[15:45] <ewsclass66> i have a CPU fan strapped to the top of my pi case
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[15:45] <nats`> the BCM chip from the PI can be overclocked ?
[15:46] <mfa298> eewww, cisco NLB. Get something proper (/me likes the F5 BigIP)
[15:46] <nats`> this crap is already totally bloated and you dare overclocking it ? :D
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[15:46] <LeoBodnar> just for kicking a goat bladder on grass?
[15:46] <ewsclass66> yea
[15:46] <ewsclass66> raspi-config
[15:46] <mikestir-work> you could probably run all that on a pi if you got rid of the microsoft bloat ;)
[15:46] <mfa298> although at least any NLB is better than what MS calls NLB
[15:46] <ewsclass66> yeah
[15:46] <UpuWork> err no :)
[15:46] <UpuWork> its all MS actually
[15:47] <UpuWork> apart from the LB's , Firewalls and switching gear ofc
[15:47] <ewsclass66> what os does your server run?
[15:47] <arjun_19> UpuWork When is the Pi in the Sky board going to be released
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[15:48] <mfa298> ewsclass66: For me it depends on what the server is doing I have CentOS, Ubuntu, Solaris and Windows servers for various things.
[15:48] <ewsclass66> ok
[15:48] <UpuWork> just waiting on the assembly company at the moment
[15:48] <UpuWork> hoping < 3 weeks
[15:49] <mfa298> for spacenear.us I think it's all linux (most likely Ubuntu)
[15:49] <ewsclass66> ok
[15:49] <ewsclass66> i am tracking pop1 and JOEY_b
[15:50] <ewsclass66> is habhun located in Manchester?
[15:50] <Maxell> ewsclass66: they poped already, right?
[15:50] <ewsclass66> yeah
[15:50] <UpuWork> yes ewsclass66
[15:50] <ewsclass66> we are looking for them
[15:50] <UpuWork> all Linux
[15:50] <ewsclass66> we found them in someones boosh
[15:50] <Maxell> ewsclass66: ok just making sure
[15:51] <ewsclass66> np
[15:51] <Maxell> and not someone getting super excited for their first receiving experince
[15:51] <ewsclass66> what cpus do ur servers have?
[15:51] Action: Maxell still makes this mistake
[15:51] <ewsclass66> well i am excited
[15:51] <UpuWork> Xeon somethings
[15:51] <Maxell> mine has Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz :(
[15:51] <ewsclass66> ok
[15:52] <ewsclass66> yeah
[15:52] <UpuWork> the new servers going in soon are some older DL380 HP ones
[15:52] <ewsclass66> xeons are the best due to thier low power consuption and high performance
[15:52] <UpuWork> dual quad core Xeons with 32GB RAM and lots of SAS disk space
[15:52] <ewsclass66> my pc is a beast!
[15:52] <LeoBodnar> what can it do?
[15:53] Action: mfa298 is getting quite bored of watching the ubuntu installer https://www.dropbox.com/s/wu0y561hty2sd5h/2014-06-20%2016.50.00.jpg
[15:53] <ewsclass66> 2 gefore gtx 780 ti in sli
[15:53] <ewsclass66> 8 gb of ram
[15:53] <UpuWork> see as a student you should be banned from having that GFX card
[15:53] <UpuWork> as it will just encourage you to play games
[15:53] <ewsclass66> intel 17 4770k @ 3.8ghz
[15:53] <ewsclass66> yep
[15:53] <LeoBodnar> why do you need 8 and not 6?
[15:53] <ewsclass66> well
[15:53] <ewsclass66> it is our families
[15:54] <UpuWork> those 5 fps extra you get must make all the difference in BF4 :)
[15:54] <ewsclass66> i get 60fps on farcray 3
[15:54] <ewsclass66> farcry
[15:54] <LeoBodnar> farcray 3 lol
[15:54] <ewsclass66> yeah
[15:54] <UpuWork> heh
[15:54] <MightyMik> B-60 is up
[15:54] <ewsclass66> right
[15:54] <UpuWork> yeah thanks MightyMik lets get back on topic
[15:54] <LeoBodnar> http://s7.computerhistory.org/is/image/CHM/102635318-03-01?$re-medium$
[15:55] <UpuWork> anyway Friday
[15:55] <UpuWork> laters
[15:55] <ewsclass66> cya
[15:55] <ewsclass66> bye guys
[15:55] <ewsclass66> gg
[15:55] <ewsclass66> gtg
[15:55] <MightyMik> that's just cray-cray
[15:55] <ewsclass66> i will catch u next time
[15:55] <ewsclass66> lol
[15:55] <ewsclass66> cya guys
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[15:55] <LeoBodnar> we are suitably impressed
[15:57] <mclane_> indeed!
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[16:03] <arjun_19> http://vote.pollcode.com/33793388
[16:04] <arjun_19> UKHAS Poll
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[16:12] <cuddykid> hi all - thanks to those who tracked :)
[16:13] <cuddykid> was an easy recovery - though got stung by a lot of nettles!
[16:16] <arjun_19> Lol, who put themseleves in the 0-10 age poll
[16:20] <LeoBodnar> oh, i thought it's mental age
[16:21] <arjun_19> lol
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[16:24] <arjun_19> Should I use a Raspberry Pi or Arduino for a flight computer; which would give me less headaches
[16:25] <ulfr> depends on what you want to do. :>
[16:25] Action: cm13g09-work gets the feeling this weekend is gonna be busy lol
[16:26] <arjun_19> Just using it for live streaming, gps, radio and temp/pressure sensors
[16:27] <mfa298> arduino will give a smaller, more efficient tracker (should be able to manage many hours off a single battery with a power booster) Pi might be easier to program if you're new to programming but will be heavier and comes with other potential issues
[16:28] <mfa298> if you want to send back images then Pi is the more sensible choice (look at something called ssdv)
[16:28] <LeoBodnar> look at someone called Dave
[16:28] <arjun_19> could i have a pi & arduino, the pi with the ssdv and the arduino with everything else? (or am I talking nonsense)
[16:28] <mfa298> or send an arduino up on the balloon doing basic telemetry and keep the Pi on the ground to run a launch/chase video stream
[16:29] <mfa298> arjun_19: you can but it adds to the cost - you'll want a radio transmitter on each, and it's a bit more weight so more gas etc.
[16:30] <arjun_19> do I need live streaming; is it worth it when recovering
[16:30] <arjun_19> ?
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[16:31] <mfa298> its something for other people to watch. It's purely up to you if you want to do it or not.
[16:32] <mfa298> one of the launches today streamed the setup and launch the other one didn't
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[16:32] <mfa298> some people stream from the chase car as well so you can watch them driving along the roads trying to find the balloon.
[16:32] <arjun_19> okay
[16:32] <arjun_19> thanls
[16:33] <arjun_19> thanks (lol-spelling error)
[16:33] <mfa298> If you go down the route of launching a raspberry Pi you'll probably want to get a Model-a for that. The couple of times the model-b has been launched they've got rather hot
[16:34] <arjun_19> Which Arduino model should I use in the ballon for telemetry
[16:34] <arjun_19> Also, I have a model-b (will probaly keep it on the ground)
[16:34] <mfa298> it may make life easier if it's one that uses 3v3 logic rather than 5v logic.
[16:35] <arjun_19> should i get the starter kit?
[16:35] <mfa298> the gps modules and radio transmitters people use are 3v3 based so a 3v3 arduino means you done need to do any level conversions
[16:36] <mfa298> there's the habduino and soon the Pi in the sky boards. or you can buy a gps breakout and ntx2b from http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_60 and do a bit of soldering
[16:37] <mfa298> that store is run by Upu and you should be able to use the UKHAS coupon code to get a discount
[16:38] <mfa298> the easiest options to use are likely to be http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=52 and http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=92
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[16:39] <mfa298> that's assuming a 3v3 arduino otherwise you'll want http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=68
[16:40] <arjun_19> Thanks so much for that
[16:40] <arjun_19> mfa298
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[16:41] <mfa298> no problems you'll generally find lots of people lurking in here who are willing to help people that are interested.
[16:42] Action: bertrik is a lurker
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[17:00] <DL7AD> ah btw www.howmanyisleoflying.com just in case we need that in future
[17:00] <myself> lmao
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[17:03] <Maxell> DL7AD: wouldn't it be "how much is leo flying"?
[17:03] <DL7AD> i thought you can count balloons. just not money.
[17:04] <myself> "many" is for a countable number of distinct, discrete items. "much" is for quantity, volume, analog things that you measure rather than count.
[17:04] <fsphil> My next flight will be something-60000, just to overtake the B-* series
[17:05] <Maxell> myself: and 2 is too little for "much"?
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[17:05] <myself> Countable items are "more/fewer", and quantities are "more/less", a distinction that's lost on many native speakers.
[17:05] <mfa298> you mean there are more lying islands ?
[17:06] <myself> "how many" is appropriate for balloons.
[17:06] <myself> any number
[17:06] <Maxell> myself: good to know
[17:06] <mfa298> or is this a measure of how much the isle of lying is lying to us ?
[17:06] <Maxell> myself: 422
[17:06] <Maxell> damnit that type ruined it
[17:06] <Maxell> typo
[17:06] <Maxell> asdf asdf /me goes afk again
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[17:17] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: nice DX
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[17:38] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah green on B-60
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[17:40] <LeoBodnar> APRS path discussion ended up with a story of a paraglider causing a crash on an interstate highway
[17:40] <LZ1DEV> how can that be possibly related
[17:40] <fsphil> some kind of metaphor?
[17:40] <LZ1DEV> :D
[17:41] <LeoBodnar> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/gpsl/conversations/messages/14145
[17:41] <Maxell> $$!<6U"7@1 $366D,!70K)(&51^4966,-0.4315,I996,5,-3,4.36,0.59*551C partials
[17:41] <Maxell> even before the RSID
[17:42] <Laurenceb_> england pwned in ten minutes or so :D
[17:43] <LZ1DEV> ah, so it's a hypothetical rather than something that happened
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[17:52] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: nice "you surely do not want to interfere with being able to see Joe Blow, driving his SUV, running 50 watts, going to the 7-11, to get a six pack of beer now do ya?"
[17:52] <Maxell> I feel the same with my <5 watt setup in the car
[17:52] <Maxell> At night my path is a hell lot smoother
[17:53] <Maxell> However at night there are no fill-in digis
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[17:57] <LeoBodnar> "Wow, I'm impressed! The response has been very reasonable, something that does not usually happen on an email based forum."
[17:57] <LeoBodnar> Troll
[17:57] <arko> haha
[17:57] <LeoBodnar> So the intention was almost to provoke another fight
[17:58] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: you are not sending rxid anymore?
[17:58] <Laurenceb_> lol england pwned
[17:58] <LeoBodnar> i did
[17:58] <LeoBodnar> is it not there anymore?
[18:00] <aadamson> mikestir, is it coming together for this next week?
[18:05] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: It is not being picked up by dl-fldigi... I do have green telemetry however.
[18:06] <LeoBodnar> just picked it up
[18:06] <LeoBodnar> do you have it enabled?
[18:06] <Maxell> wait, is contestia preforming better then domex rxid?
[18:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Getting RSID here ok
[18:07] <Laurenceb_> float
[18:08] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE-M: ok then the contestia telemetry outpreforms the rxid code
[18:08] <LeoBodnar> not impossible
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[18:09] <Maxell> So olivia will even do beter...
[18:09] <Maxell> And there I am, thinking dominoex was the king of digital modes
[18:10] <LeoBodnar> well depends what you are looking for
[18:10] <LeoBodnar> it is speedy
[18:11] <Maxell> Yeah and less "lag".
[18:12] <LeoBodnar> it does not send information in blocks like Contestia/Olivia
[18:12] <Maxell> However on the 20 meters band it is less populair. I'm having a hard timing finding other domex users... olivia is moer widespread I think
[18:13] <LeoBodnar> DominoEX is quite rare
[18:13] <LeoBodnar> but very well sioted for our purposes
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[18:34] <DL7AD> hm.... what happened? $$B-60,97,182917,140620,51.1688,0.0844,10305G1,D.CT4,EN)5UEI_=#C >_:$GP&3111,140F*@,1#Z(DZC4L*)-';N**K>-$74UQH'YD4C@$AN9;M(X#_
[18:34] <DL7AD> no beeps anymore
[18:39] <MightyMik> someone's using the repeater
[18:40] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:40] <DL7AD> hi Lunar_Lander
[18:41] <Maxell> MightyMik: the repeater?
[18:41] <Maxell> DL7AD: $$B-60,101,183759,140620,51.12?9,0.B7_1,1_4039T,-3,4.E8,0.5$*4D1BM$6--_$ 8V':
[18:42] <Maxell> MightyMik: it has a repeater
[18:42] <Maxell> damnit do want
[18:42] <Maxell> what mode what freq
[18:42] <MightyMik> on the websdr site... repeater wipes out the receiver
[18:45] <Maxell> MightyMik: oh right
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[18:45] <Maxell> MightyMik: i had a red one too
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[18:46] <Maxell> so I tought B-60 was equiped with some sort of transponder/repeater
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[19:11] <arko> haha
[19:12] <arko> sassy bot is sassy
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[19:15] <Maxell> \o/
[19:15] <arko> i am!
[19:15] <daveake> lol
[19:15] <Maxell> lol
[19:16] <arko> poor bot, i dont want to break it
[19:16] <arko> lol god
[19:16] <arko> hahaha
[19:16] <daveake> broke it
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[19:17] <Willdude123> oh
[19:17] <Maxell> myself: seup
[19:17] <Willdude123> So they are
[19:17] <nats`> oups
[19:18] <jonsowman> ok ok that'll do
[19:19] Action: mfa298 makes note to add rate limiting to the ukhasnet bot.
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[19:19] <Maxell> you code it we break it
[19:19] <Maxell> "
[19:20] <mfa298> I have nothing to do with any of the bots in here.
[19:20] <Willdude123> mfa298, what language? I might be able to help
[19:21] <mfa298> My bot (for #ukhasnet) is C++
[19:21] <Willdude123> oh
[19:22] <mfa298> it's like C but better and I'd bet you've used C++ already (but may not have realised it)
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[19:23] <arjun_19> What would be the best USB radio tracker for Windows (bang for your buck)
[19:24] <mfa298> arjun_19: do you mean radio receiver ?
[19:25] <Willdude123> mfa298, where might I have used it? Is it a superset of C? Also better seems an odd word to use in referral to programming languages.
[19:25] <mfa298> There's two options and rtlsdr (should cost under £10 and is reasonable) or a better receiver is the funcube Dongle Pro+ (but costs around £150)
[19:25] <arjun_19> yeah radio receiver
[19:26] <arjun_19> Is the rtlsdr of a deccent ranger
[19:26] <arjun_19> range
[19:26] <mfa298> Willdude123: it adds Object Orientated stuff to C and you'll have used it when doing Arduino code
[19:27] <Willdude123> mfa298, I thought arduino was neither, but was similar to C
[19:27] <mfa298> e.g. in Arduino Serial is an object and you call methods on that object as Serial.read(), Serial.write() (I may have got the method names wrong)
[19:27] <Maxell> arjun_19: with habs the reciever is not important.
[19:27] <Maxell> arjun_19: well, significantly less important then the height of the antenna and quality coax cable.
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[19:28] <arjun_19> So which antenna and coax cable do you recommend
[19:28] <mfa298> the range you'll get tends to depend more on the antenna you've got and where it is. A good radio with poor antenna will do worse than a rtlsdr with good antenna. But with a good antenna the Funcube (or good radio receiver) will do better than the rtlsdr
[19:29] <Maxell> arjun_19: depends. The easy route would be an omnidirectional vertical like the Diamond X30 or Diamond X50.
[19:30] <Maxell> Aircell 7 coax will preform ok on the 70 cm band (430 MHz).
[19:30] <mfa298> Coax wise something like RG213 is a good compromise of quality vs price. although it can depend on how far it's got to go
[19:30] <mclane_> you can build a collinear yourself with some coax
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[19:31] <Maxell> mfa298: for the price of RG-213 I would go for Aircell 7. Aircell coax is easy to handle and cheaper here due to it demand.
[19:33] <mfa298> Maxell: looking at one of the local radio shops here aircell 7 is at least twice the cost of rg213 £179 vs £80
[19:33] <Maxell> mfa298: are you serious?!
[19:33] <mfa298> that's by the 100m drum
[19:33] <jededu> My watson w300 is next to usless where I live all i get is noise
[19:34] <jededu> I have to use a yagi
[19:34] <Maxell> mfa298: ¬21 for 10Mtr RG-213 U, ¬20 for 10Mtr Aircell 7
[19:34] <Maxell> jededu: yes but rotating that yagi is hard.
[19:35] <jededu> Which I have a cheap rotator
[19:35] <Maxell> However I am considering putting up my 11 elements yagi towards UK
[19:35] <Maxell> From up here it's all the same.
[19:35] <Maxell> And will outpreform the X30
[19:35] <jededu> I did it by hand for a while that wasnt difficult
[19:36] <Maxell> jededu: depends on arjun_19's antenna mounting options.
[19:36] <jededu> But i get everything within the blue line
[19:36] <jededu> true
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[19:41] <mfa298> Maxell: that prices your aircell 7 just below the uk price but still much more than the RG213. I can get Westflex 103 cheaper aircell in either place and that's much lower loss (although harder to work with)
[19:43] <mfa298> hmmm, and It looks like that first place I looked is the only place selling it in the UK
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[19:45] <mfa298> arjun_19: it maybe worth finding your local amateur radio club as you may be able to get some local advice and possibly borrow some bits to try out.
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[19:49] <mfa298> Willdude123: it hides some of the bits of C/C++ from you (the use of setup() and loop() rather than using main(), and adds some defines and functions to make the code you write easier. But it's all compiled with the avr-gcc/avr-g++ toolchain so at that level it's just standard C/C++ (and I'd say more C++ as it has the OO parts which won't be valid C)
[19:51] <fsphil> it's really just a C++ library for avr chips, and a poorly written IDE
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[19:59] <SpeedEvil> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10479469_10152411384195379_8169539257250532271_n.jpg shades of Russian propaganda
[20:00] <fsphil> "Please don't use SpaceX"
[20:00] <LeoBodnar> lol
[20:01] <SpeedEvil> Initially I assumed that it couldn't be real - so I checked their actual site, and there it was
[20:01] <Maxell> mfa298: ok so our RG-213 is just really expencive? :(
[20:02] <Maxell> and I did not know about Westflex 103
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[20:03] <fsphil> the plugs for westflex are a bit expensive
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[20:03] <mfa298> the plugs for westflex are also a pain to solder
[20:03] <fsphil> not had the pleasure yet
[20:04] <mfa298> mostly down to trying to heat the large centre conductor quickly without melting the dialectric too much
[20:05] <Maxell> Is Westflex some sort of rebranding? How come I have not yet heard of it...
[20:05] <mfa298> it's been around for a long time I think I bought my drum of it around 2007
[20:06] <fsphil> SpeedEvil: it deserves a good parody
[20:06] <Maxell> Hmm. Damnit contestia $$B-60,144,200459,140620,50.6427,1.022,10399,11,-20,3.29,7.53"Y8CD
[20:06] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: It pretty much is its own parody
[20:07] <fsphil> a good one though :)
[20:07] <SpeedEvil> I mean - it doesn't quite say 'SpaceX are terrorists' - but it's going really hard for it.
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[20:10] <LeoBodnar> the logic of that ad statement is void
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> Well, yes.
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[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> there was a similar poster from Pratt&Whitney I think
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> something about "Talking vs. actual launches"
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> there was a press room to the left with a microphone in the middle, the other half was a launching Atlas V at the KSC
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[20:32] <LeoBodnar> mobile tracker has cloud layer and precipitation overalys. nice
[20:32] <LeoBodnar> and nyan of course
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[20:39] <Maxell> B-60 cooling down quickly already down 1 khz in 10 minutes
[20:51] <DutchMillbt> ... drifting, turn on the heater
[20:51] <Maxell> Why is nobody receiving B-60? :(
[20:51] <Maxell> It's so lonely
[20:51] <DL7AD> because the frequency dropped out of the margin of many receivers
[20:51] <Maxell> hehehe
[20:52] <Maxell> dl-fldigi re-tune feature :D
[20:52] <DutchMillbt> $$B-60,163,204702,140620,50.4053,1.4412,10384,8,-42,3.97,0.22*A33E
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[20:54] <DL7AD> this will be D-5: www.dl7ad.de/PICT0010.JPG
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[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> DL7AD, nice
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> raspi?
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[21:03] <DL7AD> yes
[21:03] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: the same like D-3
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> ah :)
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[21:06] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: just different packing
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[21:07] <Maxell> DL7AD: dayum dat heatsink
[21:08] <Maxell> sure you are not better of with a DC-DC converter?
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[21:08] <DL7AD> its a stupid converter and i didnt find anything better (at home)
[21:09] <DL7AD> www.dl7ad.de/PICT0011.JPG
[21:09] <DL7AD> www.dl7ad.de/PICT0016.JPG
[21:10] <Maxell> nicely stuffed
[21:11] <fsphil> I'd worry about that gps antenna and proximity of those cables
[21:12] <DL7AD> do you? well, if it gets lock....
[21:12] <DL7AD> otherwise, this is not the only package flying at the same string
[21:14] <DL7AD> this package will be launched in southwest germany
[21:15] <LeoBodnar> very nice package
[21:15] <DL7AD> 187g
[21:17] <DL7AD> it will be launched next weekend at bodensee (germany, next to france and switzerland). its part of a payload competition of the ham radio exhibition.
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[21:18] <DL7AD> wanna make some advertise for spacenar :P
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> ah you won the Ham Radio contest?
[21:19] <DL7AD> not yet
[21:19] <PaulCDR> good evening all,
[21:19] <DL7AD> hi PaulCDR
[21:20] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: scroll down to nutzlastwettbewerb => http://www.darc.de/aktuelles/ham-radio/
[21:20] <PaulCDR> quick question, anyone one know what the reverse button is for on dl-fldigi
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[21:21] <DL7AD> PaulCDR: where do you see this button?
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> DL7AD, I know that
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> thought there were some real news xD
[21:21] <LeoBodnar> USB <-> LSB
[21:21] <PaulCDR> bottom left
[21:22] <LeoBodnar> bottom right maybe?
[21:22] <LeoBodnar> "Rv" ?
[21:22] <PaulCDR> bottom right lol. yeah
[21:22] <LeoBodnar> it's to flip the spectrum over
[21:22] <LeoBodnar> if you are using LSB instead of USB
[21:23] <PaulCDR> i only get a decode if i have this on, do i need to include this on my flight doc?
[21:23] <PaulCDR> my radio is on USB
[21:23] <fsphil> if your radio is in USB mode, and you need to press it to get it decoding, then your rtty tones are the wrong way around :)
[21:23] <fsphil> also, make sure fldigi is set to USB too
[21:24] <fsphil> not RTTY, oddly
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[21:25] <fsphil> are you still launching this weekend?
[21:26] <PaulCDR> yeah, hope so, going for sunday
[21:27] <fsphil> what's the predictions like?
[21:28] <PaulCDR> look ok, hopefully land about north monaghan
[21:28] <fsphil> not too bad
[21:29] <PaulCDR> i hope, i havent got the exact details of the balloon yet, so cant get an accurate burst hight
[21:30] <fsphil> that's kinda important :)
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[21:31] <PaulCDR> yeah, going from about 30000 to 40000 it lands from about fivemiletown to north monaghan
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[21:32] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: intresting aprs packets
[21:32] <fsphil> not a bad range
[21:33] <Maxell> testing with relaying space near us packets into aprs-is?
[21:33] <fsphil> keeps you in fairly open areas
[21:33] <PaulCDR> it keeps it nice and tight, hope to stay north too for data charges
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[21:34] <tweetBot> @SouthTexasBLT: BLT-41 launch on August 9th from the Wharton Intergalactic Spaceport :-) #ukhas #hamradio
[21:34] <fsphil> weather forecast is good, bit breezy on the ground maybe
[21:34] <fsphil> could be an interesting fill
[21:35] <PaulCDR> well im near 21 stone, i reckon i could hold onto it
[21:35] <fsphil> bring good gloves
[21:35] <PaulCDR> its my first launch too, so should be good fun
[21:35] <fsphil> nylon cord can burn pretty good
[21:41] <fsphil> hmm.. have google removed the terrain map?
[21:41] <LZ1DEV> no
[21:41] <fsphil> ah, no. just a really obscure UI
[21:41] <LZ1DEV> you have to hover over the button, a tick a box
[21:42] <fsphil> yea just found it
[21:43] <PaulCDR> is anyone able to approve my flight doc?
[21:44] <LZ1DEV> PaulCDR: try #habhub
[21:44] <fsphil> join #habhub and give them the flight document ID
[21:45] <PaulCDR> noobie question, but how do i join #habhub
[21:45] <fsphil> type: /join #habhub
[21:46] <PaulCDR> cool, thanks
[21:48] <prog> free beer there?
[21:48] <fsphil> sadly not
[21:49] <fsphil> I'll see if I can find a good spot to track it from
[21:50] <fsphil> shout if your plans change :)
[21:51] <PaulCDR> nice one, will do
[21:51] <fsphil> have you got a project website?
[21:53] <PaulCDR> nah we dont, havent been that organised. would have loved to have done it though
[21:53] <fsphil> hah
[21:55] <PaulCDR> has anyone used the android app for tracking?
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[21:56] <daveake> yes, in a chase car
[21:57] <PaulCDR> for the decoding and uploading also?
[21:57] <PaulCDR> did it work well?
[22:03] <daveake> Yes, very, even though it was only listening through the microphone from the radio in the dash
[22:08] <PaulCDR> thats was my concern, as there is no mic input.
[22:09] <PaulCDR> gonna keep it as a backup. going to use a win8 tablet with a usb sound card with mic input.
[22:09] <daveake> I'm going to try fitting an earpiece over the mic, using Sugru probably
[22:09] <daveake> Always good to have a backup
[22:09] <daveake> Things go wrong in chase cars
[22:09] <fsphil> batteries usually
[22:10] <daveake> yup
[22:10] <daveake> and Windows updates, and 3G cards running out of credit, and ...
[22:10] <daveake> Also the Anrdoid app has offline mapping which can be very very useful
[22:11] <fsphil> I've not done a chase in ages. silly floater flights are spoiling me
[22:11] <PaulCDR> i got an upgrade on my phone contract, unlimited data for 3 months
[22:11] <PaulCDR> off line maps, now thats handy
[22:11] <fsphil> I'd like to try another night launch
[22:12] <PaulCDR> with photos phil?
[22:12] <fsphil> yea the most useful thing I'd like is offline maps and flight prediction
[22:12] <fsphil> PaulCDR: yea
[22:12] <fsphil> i'd like to try and get a picture of the noctilucent clouds
[22:12] <PaulCDR> that would be nice if you got a clear night id imagine
[22:13] <daveake> That'd be cool
[22:13] <fsphil> and also fly an optical beacon on it
[22:13] <daveake> I keep meaning to add landing prediction to the tracker
[22:13] <fsphil> I started trying to add the cusf predictor to habhound
[22:13] <fsphil> but got stuck with trying to fetch the wind data
[22:14] <daveake> I was thinking something simpler - use the speed/direction on the way up to predict the way down
[22:14] <fsphil> would love a way to grab it from the habitat servers now that it caches the whole lot
[22:14] <daveake> yeah
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[22:19] <LZ1DEV> i've been meaning to add DR to the mobile tracker
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[22:28] <PaulCDR> bed time folks. some more testing tomorrow and hopefully no problems on sunday for the launch wish me luck
[22:29] <fsphil> g'luck! and have fun
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[22:43] <DL7AD> fsphil: pm
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