highaltitude.log.20140618

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[03:39] <shenki> Darkside: http://keithp.com/blogs/TeleGPS-Battery-Life/
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[04:14] <LeoBodnar> #habhub
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[05:41] <arko> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=N6ARA-12&nyan=1
[05:42] <arko> weeee
[05:42] <arko> thanks LeoBodnar :)
[05:42] <arko> im as happy as that nyan cat
[05:47] <wrea> A night launch, nice
[05:48] <wrea> Love the nyan cat feature
[05:48] <arko> me too
[05:48] <arko> best thing ever
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[06:17] <arko> :) yay it didnt burst
[06:17] <arko> floating now
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[06:29] <wrea> arko: :D
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[06:43] <sp2ipt> UpuWork: I've found a new american version of HAB: http://www.wibwnewsnow.com/caught-tape-70-car-crash-goes-airborne/ ;)
[06:47] <wrea> Speaking of balloons, one of Google's crashed into power lines up here
[06:48] <arko> lol
[06:48] <arko> saw that article the other day
[06:48] <wrea> On the other side of the Cascades from me, but still :P
[06:49] <wrea> It's a hell hole over where it landed anyway
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[06:51] <arko> yikes
[06:54] <wrea> Good thing it wasnt further north, big wind farm up there
[07:02] <arko> time to sleep and wake up to find out where the hab has gone
[07:02] <wrea> Night arko
[07:03] <arko> nite!
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[07:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Morning LeoBodnar, thats an early flight!
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[07:37] <mfa298> oooh and heading this way
[07:37] Action: mfa298 wonders how many patches the tracking pc will need to apply today
[07:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Its only been tracked for a few minutes since launch!
[07:38] <daveake> That last posn was over 2 hours ago, rx by Leo only ... how come no updates since then?
[07:38] <MightyMik> patch early, patch often
[07:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Not seeing from the SOuth Coast
[07:39] Action: mfa298 suspects astra has had a reboot or isn't left setup in case of Leo
[07:39] <MightyMik> it's not 8/250?
[07:39] <mfa298> mattbrejza: ^^^ (I can hear it on a poor antenna)
[07:40] <MightyMik> had it on websdr
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[07:43] <MightyMik> is it 8/1000? looks wide here
[07:44] <mfa298> hmmm, now dl-fldigi has started I'm not hearing the pips. Lets hope it picks up the rsid...
[07:45] <craag> MightyMik: Have you set rsid? That should set the mode automatically
[07:45] <craag> mornin mfa298
[07:45] <mfa298> moaning craag
[07:47] <MightyMik> too weak to pick up rsid
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[07:48] <mfa298> hmmmm, now do I stick some money on the 3G stick and setup tracking on the way to work in a bit and see if I get anything.
[07:51] <craag> mfa298: Heh I was just considering taking the fcd to work ;)
[07:51] <mfa298> rsid says contessia 64/1000
[07:52] <mfa298> now to see if that packet get's decoded fully (irc and tracking are in different rooms)
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[07:52] <craag> Meant to be working on sql today though, pretty sure I won't be able to pass off putting up antennas as part of that.
[07:53] <daveake> Tell them you need to pop outside to do some outer joins
[07:53] <mfa298> partial $$B-58,124,075029,140618,51.2493,-1.85431,665,5,,B=42!J;.,1A+RW"
[07:53] <craag> Nice one dave ;)
[07:53] <daveake> I knew there'd be a pun somewhere there :)
[07:55] <mfa298> the times I've tried any radio from in the office it's been pretty poor.
[07:55] <mfa298> although I do have then end of a 30m piece of steel cable in my office which could be interesting to connect a radio to.
[07:55] <mfa298> woohoo packet uploaded :)
[07:57] <MightyMik> $$B-58,126,075429,140618,51.23325,-1.87198,744,6,21,4.1,0.51*38C2
[07:58] <malgar> why is it so low?
[07:58] <mfa298> looking at the data points we have it's never been particularly high
[07:59] <mfa298> although there is a 2hr gap in the middle we don't know about
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[08:07] <mfa298> gonzo_m: there's a Leo balloon heading in your sort of direction
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[08:16] <mfa298> wow, I'm not sure I could even see that last packet on the waterfall
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[08:36] <fsphil> now that's an unusual float
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[08:39] <UpuWork> rather low
[08:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Cloud at 1700 feet down on the Coast
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[08:46] <fsphil> arko's flight is handling the mountain well
[08:46] <lz1dev> is that balloon reporting incorrect time
[08:48] <lz1dev> maybe not
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[09:00] <tweetBot> @G7IGB: Attleborough Academy to launch 434 MHz balloon: Attleborough Academy in Norfolk... http://t.co/bP1EX7ucME #hamradio #ukhas
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[09:40] <chrisg7ogx> nothing seen here of B58
[09:42] <DL7AD> is it fixed by a long string?
[09:44] <chrisg7ogx> DL7AD ha ha yesunusual for Leo's babies
[09:44] <DL7AD> for powering the balloon :P
[09:45] <chrisg7ogx> ;@}
[09:47] <DL7AD> southampton: http://puu.sh/9yOyf/b4e899e984.png
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[09:57] <DL7AD> its going up
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[09:57] <SgtBurned> Hello DL7AD
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[10:08] <DL7AD> hi SgtBurned
[10:08] <SgtBurned> How are you?
[10:09] <DL7AD> fine thx :)
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[10:09] <DL7AD> but i have a lot to do today
[10:09] <DL7AD> SgtBurned: can you receive b58?
[10:10] <SgtBurned> Too far north.
[10:10] <DL7AD> the quesstion should be: could you be able? :D
[10:10] <SgtBurned> Most likely not, Only have a Digital TV receiver at the moment
[10:10] <DL7AD> i even have not that :P
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[10:24] <SM5OCI> B-58 a little low?
[10:25] <SgtBurned> He dropped off to get Fish 'n' Chips whilst he was there
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[10:39] <Laurenceb_> looks like it is hitting cloud layers
[10:40] <Laurenceb_> hopefully when the cloud clears it will make it to float altitude
[10:40] <gonzo_> the cloud is low here and some grey patches
[10:41] <LeoBodnar> Coxon kilometer is a bit too hard today
[10:41] <G8AFC> Hi ALL - wat frequency is B58 transmitting on?
[10:41] <nats`> gonzo_ IBM is making an update
[10:41] <nats`> :D
[10:41] <gonzo_> I can see blue ove in the weymouth direction
[10:41] <Laurenceb_> lol the coxon kilometer
[10:41] <gonzo_> IBM?
[10:42] <nats`> gonzo_ a joke on Cloud and patches
[10:42] <nats`> but seems like a bad one
[10:42] <MightyMik> the leo frequenct 434.500
[10:42] <gonzo_> ah. I'm so far out of the loop on that sort of things, it was lost on me
[10:43] <Laurenceb_> B-58 cloud enabled balloon
[10:43] <gonzo_> about 434.50275 for the pips
[10:44] <gonzo_> cloud disabled by the looks of it
[10:44] <gonzo_> sorry, 434.502075 that was
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[10:45] <gonzo_> though it's drifting +-15hz or so
[10:45] <Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/18/samsung_peddles_tyred_smart_bike_concept/
[10:45] <Laurenceb_> wut
[10:46] <G8AFC> OK - Thanks for that
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[10:51] <Laurenceb_> http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/images/2014/04/Postman-Pat-The-Movie-Poster-3-406x650.jpg
[10:51] <Laurenceb_> WTF
[10:53] <lz1dev> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sbgf5H3NaxM
[10:53] <lz1dev> wat
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[11:03] <SgtBurned> Anyone good with Java? ;)
[11:07] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Of course - I maka a mean coffee
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[11:14] <SgtBurned> -_-#
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[11:18] <chris_99> what's up SgtBurned
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[11:20] <SgtBurned> Trying to bash out an Android App
[11:21] <chris_99> ah i've done a tiny bit of Android dev, any particular issue
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[11:30] <SgtBurned> Wind from Birmingham is going NNE 6Km/h, Predictor says SE. What altitude? does the CUSF predictor start at?
[11:31] <SgtBurned> Although saying that, Other sites tell me WWS
[11:33] <SA6BSS> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=b688e1787253ff913f77448e16cd5eacee42f341
[11:33] <SgtBurned> Best place for accurate wind maps?
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[11:34] <SA6BSS> edit in diferente altitudes and
[11:34] <SgtBurned> Ascent rate:1.0E-6
[11:34] <SgtBurned> Cheat
[11:34] <SA6BSS> you will se
[11:34] <SgtBurned> Okay. Where does CUSF get wind data from?
[11:36] <SA6BSS> I dont know, but if Im correct ita a databse o that updates every 3 hours with 17gb of new wether data
[11:36] <SgtBurned> Oh okay... Nice
[11:36] <craag> It's NOAA global data
[11:36] <SgtBurned> Thanks
[11:36] <craag> Updates every 6hours
[11:36] <SA6BSS> ahh, oki
[11:37] <craag> (as soon as NOAA makes it availible)
[11:38] <Laurenceb_> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/images/eurvis_sat_201406181100.jpg
[11:38] <Laurenceb_> cloud :S
[11:38] <SA6BSS> it looks like it will clear up soon
[11:38] <SgtBurned> British summer.
[11:39] <SA6BSS> said it before and say it again, summer, best day in all year :)
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[11:46] <SgtBurned> Hate summer so I am good :S
[11:47] <SgtBurned> Snow and rain for me anyday :)
[11:48] <SA6BSS> As long as it does not snow I´m fine. hate snow
[11:51] <SA6BSS> ahh, it swithig over to aprs as soon its over international water??
[11:52] <SA6BSS> b58 that is
[11:53] <gonzo_> I saw a partial packet a few min ago
[11:53] <gonzo_> so look like still in UK mode
[11:56] <SA6BSS> looking on aprs.fi its been transmitting aprs for some time, looks like it started as soon it left uk, and come in over international waters between uk and france
[11:57] <SA6BSS> The Convair B-58 Hustler was the first operational supersonic jet bomber capable of Mach 2 flight
[11:57] <SA6BSS> This b58 is doing 32 km/h
[11:57] <SA6BSS> :=
[12:00] <gonzo_> it's doing 2 Mac instead
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[12:08] <SM5OCI> B-48 looks like it has problems now...
[12:08] <fsphil> unlikely to have burst at only 1km
[12:12] <SgtBurned> It's just gone from 1000, to 380
[12:14] <SgtBurned> Seagull attack? ;D
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[12:49] <jededu> I think we are going to have to abandon the launch today the predictor puts it in south wales either in a highly populated area or up a mountain and would probably not be recoverable
[12:50] <daveake> No chance of getting it to land near me, again? :p
[12:50] <jededu> not even at 28000 mtrs
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[12:50] <jededu> and lots of gas
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[13:04] <SgtBurned> jededu: We could fill it up with Methane, We have a lot here ;)
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[13:28] <fsphil> n6ara-12 rising. sunrise in california?
[13:30] <SgtBurned> 7am in Calif, roughly.
[13:30] <aadamson> sunrise in CA probably an hour ago or there abouts
[13:31] <aadamson> it's 6:30am PDT in CA
[13:33] <SgtBurned> 5:41am
[13:33] <aadamson> in CA?
[13:34] <SgtBurned> Yeah
[13:34] <aadamson> it's 9:34 in Atlanta, and LA id 3 hours behind us, so no, it's 6:41am there with daylight savings time hence my 6:30am PDT
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[13:34] <SgtBurned> Oh no
[13:34] <SgtBurned> I mean Sunrise is 5:41am
[13:34] <aadamson> ah
[13:34] <SgtBurned> Sorry, No sleep last night.
[13:35] <aadamson> I would agree with that :)
[13:35] <SgtBurned> Hey, I had a pretty fun night. Got propositioned by an Arabian man for... "A fun time"
[13:35] <SgtBurned> Gang of lads tried to nick my phone off me only to realise the phone is older than them.
[13:36] <SgtBurned> Sony Ericsson W810i like a baws
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[13:39] <mikestir-work> aadamson: I had some success saving and reloading the gps aiding data to improve cold start time
[13:39] <mikestir-work> managed a 7 sat fix indoors from cold
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[13:49] <lz1dev_> my phone cant get 4 sat lock
[13:49] <lz1dev_> outside with clear sky
[13:49] <aadamson> mikestir-work, interesting... if I swap to my single cell power supply, I can routinely get 10-11 sats inside, but with my solar power supply *which then comes up over the gps chip* I only see 5, if I pull it move it away from the gps chip, then It comes up to 7-9
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[13:49] <aadamson> so I know in my case, that I have a proximity issue (which I resolved in a hardware spin)
[13:49] Nick change: lz1dev_ -> LZ1DEV
[13:50] <SgtBurned> Strange...
[13:51] <SgtBurned> Max I've managed was 8sat lock powered from mains.
[13:51] <aadamson> mikestir-work, isn't cold start only an issue at initial power up? unless you don't use back up power?
[13:53] <mikestir-work> aadamson: my desk is a good distance away from a window so 7 sats is quite impressive
[13:53] <SgtBurned> :| 8 Sat lock, blue skies, outside... Lucky sod.
[13:53] <mikestir-work> having the aiding data could be useful for quick startup prior to launch, or for development where it might take ages to get a fix due to weak signal
[13:54] <aadamson> Oh, I totally agree on having launch startup re reliable
[14:10] <gonzo_> rare to use batt bachup on flught HW
[14:10] <gonzo_> flight
[14:10] <gonzo_> and usually you are so busy with other preps, that 20min to get lock is not an issue
[14:10] <gonzo_> at launch that is
[14:10] <mikestir-work> yeah the idea here is to save the data to the microcontroller's flash rather than use a battery
[14:11] <mikestir-work> it's really for use during development where it can take ages to get a fix because of the weak indoor signal
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[14:12] <gonzo_> no reason not to put a batt on just for dev though
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[14:16] <arko> Holy moly! It survived sunrise!
[14:16] <arko> Wooooooo!
[14:17] <craag> Nice on arko
[14:17] <craag> *one
[14:17] <arko> :) yay floater
[14:18] <fsphil> you're over 5% of the way across the US
[14:18] <arko> The payload is a B, I just filled it to send it back to Leo ;)
[14:18] <arko> fsphil: yeah! Arizona!
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[14:26] <Laurenceb_> petrified forest nation park sounds scary
[14:26] <craag> *scared
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[14:27] <SgtBurned> LA to Arizona, nice.
[14:28] <arko> :)
[14:28] <arko> hopefully it will go beyond
[14:29] <SgtBurned> Almost 400 miles 0_0. Floating nicely too.
[14:29] <SgtBurned> Fingers crossed for you.
[14:29] <gonzo_> is that with an FT101?
[14:29] <arko> thanks!
[14:29] <arko> 36lbs payload yup
[14:30] <arko> oh wait...
[14:30] <SgtBurned> 0____0
[14:30] <gonzo_> + batts
[14:30] <arko> SgtBurned: kidding
[14:30] <SgtBurned> was just going to say!
[14:30] <arko> its a B
[14:30] <SgtBurned> What have you got powering that thing, A damn blimp?
[14:30] <arko> it got lost, trying to send it back to leo :)
[14:31] <jiffe98> Leo make it to the US yet?
[14:32] <arko> UK->US not yet, but got close
[14:32] <Laurenceb_> arko: solar?
[14:32] <arko> nope, AAA
[14:32] <Laurenceb_> ah
[14:32] <Laurenceb_> how long will it last?
[14:32] <arko> no clue
[14:32] <arko> leo would know
[14:32] <jiffe98> whats the power draw
[14:32] <arko> i guess 2-3 days
[14:33] <daveake> Probably longer than a tub radio with a car battery :p
[14:33] <daveake> tube
[14:33] <arko> lol
[14:33] <arko> a true all american ham right there
[14:33] <gonzo_> I recon that was what happened to B58
[14:34] <arko> it made it to america in record time
[14:34] <arko> :P
[14:34] Nick change: arko -> notarko
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[14:36] Nick change: notarko -> arko
[14:36] <Hix> Hallo peeps
[14:36] <arko> yoyo hix
[14:37] <Hix> how goes Arko
[14:37] <jonsowman> afternoon Hix
[14:37] <Hix> hey jonsowman
[14:37] <arko> not too shabby Hix, going to conference?
[14:38] <Hix> I'm back on IRC after a whole lot of server based crap and a dead laptop. been a mare. Should be arko, depending on confirmation of dates for a sea-kayaking trip
[14:38] <fsphil> taking bets as to what US state this lands in or stops tx'ing?
[14:38] <Hix> hi fsphil
[14:38] <jonsowman> sea-kayaking sounds cool
[14:38] <arko> nice
[14:38] <fsphil> g'day Hix. you sound like you're having fun :)
[14:39] <Hix> it's great, adventurous but peaceful mostly and loads of wildlife
[14:39] <Hix> I've switched to Mac with laptop too so that's been adding to my enjoyment of IT things to deal with.
[14:39] <mattbrejza> not gonna end up in panama? :P
[14:40] <jonsowman> a wise switch
[14:40] <Hix> how's the world of HAB?
[14:40] <jonsowman> OS X is great
[14:40] <fsphil> haha, you've only one mouse button :o
[14:40] <Hix> have MBP so no buttons, just gestures, which are mostly cool
[14:40] <fsphil> eek
[14:41] <Hix> apart from scroll/page back which is sometimes infuriating especially internet banking
[14:41] <jonsowman> takes a bit of getting used to but once you have, using any other laptop is horrible
[14:41] <mattbrejza> http://cdn1.tnwcdn.com/files/2010/05/PortalMacRage.jpg
[14:43] <Hix> blimey - Leo is up to 58 already
[14:43] <arko> lol
[14:43] Action: fsphil counts his
[14:43] <fsphil> er
[14:43] <fsphil> 6 ish
[14:44] Action: Hix 0
[14:44] <Hix> still
[14:48] <daveake> I say, never mind the quantity feel the volume :p
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[14:55] <Hix> oh dear daveake still strong on the punnage front :D
[14:55] <Hix> are you way out west these days?
[14:55] <fsphil> he's up to 11 these days
[14:55] <daveake> Yup. Not actually in Wales though
[14:59] <SgtBurned> fsphil: Whats it transmitting on?
[15:00] <SA6BSS> a balloon made it from NY to sweden, no radio on it though but there was a note from a 4 year old, http://www.dt.se/dalarna/ludvika/tv-hittade-ballongpost-fran-new-york http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article19076745.ab
[15:02] <SgtBurned> wow
[15:05] <fsphil> hah, nice
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[16:24] <Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bqa0qXUCMAARszr.jpg:large
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> Wasn't someone from Norwich? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250w-solar-panel-/261507223652?pt=UK_Gadgets&hash=item3ce30b9064 for cheap solar
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[17:50] <arko> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Gumdrop_Meets_Spider_-_GPN-2000-001100.jpg
[17:50] <arko> man that's beautiful
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[18:04] <aadamson> N6ARA - ABQ bound - hopefully it will cross the Rockies on it's south path
[18:04] <aadamson> course it could always visit leadville, co - US's highest airport :)
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[18:05] <arko> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/135714_trj001.gif
[18:05] <arko> not bad
[18:05] <aadamson> yeah pretty much matches the predict as well.
[18:06] <arko> yeah not bad
[18:06] <aadamson> I grew up in eastern Utah and while the lenticulars look amazing, the winds over the rockies north of that path can be amazing
[18:06] <arko> 17.4m/s is so slow though :/
[18:06] <arko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_peaks_of_the_Rocky_Mountains
[18:06] <aadamson> sheesh, that's record speed compared to the winds I had last weekend :)
[18:06] <arko> it will clear the mountains easy though
[18:06] <arko> the rockies
[18:07] <arko> the goal is kansas
[18:07] <MARSBalloon> Hi all! Is there anyone on who can approve a payload and flight doc for tomorrow? Thanks
[18:07] <arko> i'll be happy to pass the rockies
[18:07] <aadamson> wasn't worried about the height, just the winds above... I will only fly my own airplane to my home town via that path
[18:07] <arko> MARSBalloon: please go to #habhub
[18:07] <MARSBalloon> will do. thanks
[18:08] <aadamson> but I think you'll be fine... looks great.
[18:08] <arko> my issue has been launching from pasadena
[18:08] <arko> loads of mountains
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[18:08] <arko> 4100m peaks
[18:08] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:08] <arko> had to wait a long time to actually launch
[18:08] <aadamson> yeah I've wondered about that as well... family in Utah right next to the wasatch range
[18:08] <aadamson> wondering if it would get *up and over those* in time
[18:08] <arko> just because west, south, north winds are bad news
[18:09] <aadamson> yeah
[18:10] <arko> was well worth the patience
[18:10] <aadamson> :)
[18:10] <aadamson> doing great, on a qualatex or custom envelop?
[18:11] <aadamson> I saw it was a "B" on AAA
[18:11] <arko> qualatex
[18:11] <arko> yep its a B on AAA
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[18:11] <arko> now im rushing my solar pico boards
[18:11] <arko> this was too much fun
[18:12] <aadamson> hehe, its very addicting ... lol
[18:12] <aadamson> the first time rush is worth the price of admission :
[18:12] <aadamson> :)
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[18:56] <Arjun_> Hi There,
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[18:57] <fsphil> g'day
[19:00] <Arjun_> I am 12 and interested in HABing. I would be intrested in the cost of doing so. I already have a RPi & a webcam and from what I understand I would also need a radio transmitter, GPS Locater and batteries. If anyone could recommend any models for a cheap flight and also if I missed anything...
[19:00] <Arjun_> Thanks
[19:00] <Upu> hey Arjun_
[19:01] <Arjun_> Hi Upu
[19:01] <Upu> are you in the UK ?
[19:01] <Arjun_> Yes, I am based in the UK
[19:01] <Reb-SM3ULC> good evning1
[19:01] <fsphil> there's some good info on this at the ukhas wiki: http://ukhas.org.uk/general:beginners_guide_to_high_altitude_ballooning
[19:01] <Upu> have you spoken to your teacher(s) about this ?
[19:01] <Upu> Do you have a STEM Club ?
[19:02] <Arjun_> I have discussed this with my geography teacher and he seems pretty excited. I was thinking about getting a grant/funding...
[19:02] <Arjun_> Our school does not have a STEM club (as far as I am aware)
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[19:03] <Upu> ok
[19:03] <Upu> my suggestion is get a teacher or your parents behind you
[19:03] <Upu> we are happy to help out but obviously given your age you're going to need some help with the various aspects
[19:03] <MightyMik> ok... i melted solder and fixed something today : /
[19:03] <Upu> like driving a car after it for one :)
[19:03] <fsphil> nice!
[19:04] <Arjun_> I have a good relationship (not in that way) with my geography teacher and he said he would do everything to support me
[19:04] <fsphil> MightyMik: intentionally?
[19:04] <Upu> ok excellent
[19:04] <Upu> a great start
[19:04] <Upu> ok so the Pi
[19:04] <Upu> you need a radio to transmit the location
[19:04] <Upu> and a GPS to work out where the Pi is
[19:05] <Arjun_> What model would you recommend for the radio & GPS
[19:05] <Upu> GPS something by ublox
[19:05] <MightyMik> yes... el cheapo $2. mp3 player. they didn't get the switch to solder to the board when the put it in the oven.
[19:05] <Upu> and the radio the NTX2B
[19:05] <Arjun_> It would have to be pretty cheap
[19:05] <Upu> well here is a think
[19:05] <Upu> thing
[19:05] <Upu> This is a board daveake and I have designed : https://twitter.com/pitsproject
[19:06] <Upu> which fits on a Pi
[19:06] <Upu> and has the radio and GPS
[19:06] <Upu> and it comes with the open source code to make it work
[19:06] <MightyMik> but ... is it on the market yet?
[19:06] <Upu> soom(TM)
[19:06] <Upu> soon even
[19:06] <MightyMik> what's it weigh?
[19:06] <aadamson> quick - bottle and sell that soon(TM) it's worth millions!
[19:06] <Upu> I have the first four production ones here which I'm going to test when I stop typing
[19:06] <aadamson> lol
[19:06] <Upu> err 1 sec
[19:07] <Arjun_> When would you be thinking of putting the board on the market?
[19:07] <Upu> 25g
[19:07] <MightyMik> k
[19:07] <Upu> with in the next few weeks
[19:07] <Arjun_> how much would it cost?
[19:07] <Upu> Still deciding on a price
[19:07] <Arjun_> roughly...?
[19:08] <MightyMik> could maybe function as an APRS tracker?
[19:08] <Upu> but less than £150 for a kit with suitable battery back, GPS antenna and radio antenna
[19:08] <Arjun_> awesome...
[19:08] <Upu> probably quite a bit less
[19:08] <Arjun_> even more awesome!
[19:08] <Upu> depends how much its going to cost me to get them made up
[19:09] <Upu> still waiting on a quote
[19:09] <Arjun_> I would be quite happy to test them/be a beta tester
[19:09] <Upu> I'm sure you would but that boat has sailed :)
[19:09] <Arjun_> oh...:-(
[19:09] <Upu> We had a few out for testing
[19:09] <Upu> we've made a few changes
[19:10] <Arjun_> how did they get on in testing
[19:10] <Upu> fine worked a treat
[19:10] <Arjun_> range...?
[19:10] <Upu> 500 miles
[19:10] <Upu> just like any other tracker
[19:10] <Upu> however the other option
[19:10] <Upu> is you can make one yourself
[19:11] <Upu> we are aiming this at schools
[19:12] <Upu> Anyway check the UKHAS Wiki out (http://ukhas.org.uk)
[19:12] <Upu> and hang about here
[19:12] <Arjun_> I would probably need help from you guys...
[19:12] <Upu> oh you'll get that
[19:22] <Upu> ever wished you'd gone solar arko ? :)
[19:26] <aadamson> btw, arko I got politely yelled at for using Wide2-1 in the US :)
[19:26] <aadamson> I think they tolerate it on up-n-downs, but for long duration seems it makes the aprs guys frustrated
[19:29] <fsphil> everything makes the aprs guys frustrated
[19:29] <Upu> yeah was thinking that :)
[19:29] <craag> aprs makes the aprs guys frustrated
[19:29] <aadamson> yeah I know.
[19:29] <aadamson> at least they were descent about discussing it with me... unlike the person who sent me an email
[19:29] <LZ1DEV> aprs itself is frustrating
[19:29] <aadamson> saying that I should have read the FAA regs and had a *strobe* on my 1oz payload - duh
[19:30] <craag> You should have seen the emails I got for running a viscous digipeater in my car here :P
[19:30] <fsphil> mobile digipeater
[19:30] <fsphil> that's a cool idea
[19:30] <Upu> I can do that now
[19:30] <Upu> easy peesey
[19:30] <craag> "A digipeater should be a static piece of infrastructure, not something to lug around in your boot"
[19:30] <Upu> haha
[19:30] <craag> obviously hadn't read the bit about it being on a pi...
[19:31] <aadamson> wow, I think most run their mobiles in digipeat mode over hear
[19:31] <Upu> work of the devil I tell you
[19:31] <aadamson> in fact that is one of the reasons they changed the path requrements just to support that
[19:31] <fsphil> if only Acorn knew what they where creating
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[19:32] <Upu> Think I'm turning into daveake I have 3 of the damn things blinking away in front of me
[19:32] <craag> lol
[19:32] <aadamson> heh
[19:33] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/OF7bfcL.jpg
[19:33] <fsphil> you can't have just one
[19:33] <craag> :)
[19:33] <aadamson> rabbits
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> I also have Card Reader below the screen :)
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[19:34] <aadamson> now what is the apple connector doing?
[19:34] <aadamson> lightning or some such?
[19:35] <Upu> not charging my phone at the time I took that picture
[19:36] <LZ1DEV> is that logitech speaker?
[19:36] <craag> So pits-pi, ntp-pi and some ugly through-hole board??
[19:36] <LeoBodnar> is this a reference design?
[19:37] <fsphil> that's packet-pi
[19:37] <fsphil> aprs so naturally all through hole
[19:37] <LeoBodnar> Bob said Wide2-1 is OK
[19:37] <craag> ah ok ;)
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[19:39] <LeoBodnar> also if really keen if(alt>2000) digipeat = FALSE;
[19:39] <LeoBodnar> but this requires some knowledge
[19:39] <LZ1DEV> wide2-1 should be fine for habs
[19:40] <Upu> craag is a Pigate (gettit ?)
[19:40] <Upu> it is
[19:40] <Upu> thats a TNC sheild which I've redesigned using SMD stuff
[19:40] <Upu> should arrive soon
[19:41] <craag> :)
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[19:42] <craag> That bim1h is still sitting here
[19:42] <craag> will make a nice mobile digipeater at some point
[19:42] <Upu> Yeah in theory this board should work with that bim1h
[19:43] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, LZ1DEV I can only tell you over here I got emails from digi owners suggesting *strongly* that I *not* use Wide2-1, especially high pop areas
[19:43] <Upu> the PCB is the same shape as the Pi in the sky one
[19:43] <Upu> has a 3.5mm jack for RX only
[19:43] <Upu> and I put a GPS on it too
[19:43] <craag> sounds awesome
[19:43] <craag> So hardware TNC?
[19:43] <Upu> only through hole part is the modem chip
[19:43] <LeoBodnar> you can ignore them, isn't it a free country?
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[19:43] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, yes that's what I'll end up doing, dynamically changing the path as I do for ISS now based upon altitude
[19:44] <Upu> and its through hole because the chap I'm doing it with has 1000 of them :)
[19:44] <Upu> yes hardware
[19:44] <craag> heh ok
[19:44] <Upu> sec lemmie see if I have a pic
[19:44] <craag> soundmodem has always worked really well, but would need a decent soundcard too :/
[19:44] <craag> puts up cost and bulk
[19:45] <craag> wolfson card would work well I'm sure!
[19:45] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, I'm not so sure on the free country part anymore ;)...
[19:46] <Upu> craag http://i.imgur.com/2hGJpPk.png
[19:47] <aadamson> ah, they have one for the black too - http://tnc-x.com/
[19:47] <Upu> turns the Pi into a TNC and a PPS locked NTP server if you so wish
[19:47] <craag> sweet
[19:47] <Upu> yeah
[19:48] <craag> Electronic switch for the serial tnc/gps?
[19:48] <Upu> mechanical one
[19:48] <craag> Ah manual switch?
[19:48] <craag> k
[19:48] <Upu> just a small SMD thing
[19:48] <craag> So you can't do a mobile digipeater then?
[19:48] <Upu> means you can use serial for the TNC
[19:48] <Upu> or flick it and the GPS goes to serial
[19:48] <Upu> and the TNC works via I2C
[19:49] <craag> oh cool
[19:49] <craag> :)
[19:49] <Upu> not everyone will want a GPS on it
[19:49] <craag> True
[19:49] <craag> I'm wondering about trying putting the wm5102 wolfson chip on a board with ublox and bim1h
[19:50] <Upu> well I'm considering making a hack of this board with the bim1h on it
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[19:50] <Upu> however the bim1h is more expensive than the UV-5R
[19:50] <Upu> and 1/10th the power
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[19:52] <craag> yep
[19:52] <Upu> however compact
[19:52] <craag> Well if you did make one, the lazy side of me would buy it.
[19:52] <Upu> I made an APRS beacon for the car
[19:53] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/LcfwuOb.jpg
[19:53] <craag> Yeah compactness for a car install would be my thinking
[19:53] <craag> Ah sweet
[19:54] <craag> You have too much time ;)
[19:54] <Upu> that goes in a small hammond enclosure
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[19:55] <craag> the local raynet group have been bugging me to make something exactly like that for a while
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[19:56] <craag> What's the reason for using 32u4+usb?
[19:57] <Upu> my theorycrafting (though my coding is probably going to let me down) is you can serial across to it
[19:57] <Upu> set call sign, symbol , beaconing mode etc via serial
[19:57] <Upu> it will hopefully act as a serial port
[19:58] <Upu> so I don't need to write custom code for another platform to program it
[19:58] <craag> :D with a little gui tool or something to set it up. Super!
[19:58] <Upu> just putty
[19:58] <craag> that's a gui :P
[19:58] <Upu> kinda :)
[19:58] <Upu> but it means it becomes platform independant
[19:59] <craag> hmm you've got me thinking now.. you got the gerbers up for that anywhere?
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[20:00] <Tramvai> Hi guys. I need some advice regarding connecting Arduino to a stripboard.
[20:00] <Tramvai> How would I go about placing the two?
[20:01] <Tramvai> Should I attach both to a plate or something?
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[20:02] <arjun_12> Hi Guys,
[20:02] <Upu> welcome back arjun_12
[20:03] <arjun_12> Silly question but does authorization from the CAA cost anything...?
[20:03] <Upu> not sure what you mean Tramvai
[20:03] <Upu> no arjun_12
[20:03] <Upu> pins usually Tramvai
[20:03] <Tramvai> No, didn't mean that.
[20:04] <Tramvai> I can't just leave both hanging with wires... what's the usual way to fix the Arduino and the stripboard together?
[20:04] <Tramvai> So there's no wire pulling etc.
[20:04] <arjun_12> could someone point me to the caa application page
[20:04] <arjun_12> thanks
[20:04] <Upu> pins in the strip board so it pushed in to the Arduino header
[20:05] <Upu> the answer to your first 200 questions is likely to be "on the wiki" arjun_12 :)
[20:05] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:restrictions_legality
[20:05] <arjun_12> lol
[20:05] <arjun_12> :-)
[20:08] <Tramvai> Any image examples, Upu? :S
[20:08] <Upu> moment
[20:11] <Upu> not got anything
[20:11] <Tramvai> http://startingelectronics.com/projects/arduino-projects/arduino-tiny-stripboard-shield/arduino-uno-stripboard-shield.jpg Something along those lines?
[20:11] <Tramvai> I was thinking of removing the push-in plugs from the Arduino board altogether and solder everything with wires.
[20:11] <Tramvai> Since I don't really know how they do it usually.
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[20:11] <Upu> that would wokr
[20:12] <Upu> you can also get a sheild for the Arduino you can solder on too
[20:12] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/TINY-closeup.png
[20:12] <Upu> don't recommend that positioning of the GPS
[20:12] <LZ1DEV> worked fine :P
[20:13] <Upu> haha
[20:13] <Tramvai> Oh nice, cheers.
[20:13] <Upu> bit too much ground plane :)
[20:13] <Upu> but I was impressed so I kept the picture LZ1DEV :)
[20:13] <LZ1DEV> the wire was changed
[20:14] <LZ1DEV> to a piece of string
[20:14] <LZ1DEV> someone pointed that out
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[20:15] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/PCB%20Pictures/yqjSc.jpg
[20:15] <Upu> daveake's :)
[20:15] <LZ1DEV> haha
[20:16] <LZ1DEV> impressive wiring
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[20:21] <S_Mark> This is a bit of a long shot - thinking about testing some new changes by playing a prexisting flight ie this page
[20:21] <S_Mark> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:common_coding_errors_payload_testing
[20:22] <S_Mark> Has anyone got a full flight of NMEA data available?
[20:24] <Upu> got a dump where someone forgot to set flight mode
[20:24] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Data/ublox-airmode-not-set.txt
[20:25] <S_Mark> cool that's a good start thanks upu. Also need to buy our tickets asap!
[20:25] <Upu> yes you do :)
[20:25] <Upu> please buy tickets
[20:25] <Upu> pretty please the talks are going to be good
[20:26] <Upu> Dan Bowens will be very interesting
[20:26] <craag> mine might be interesting too!!!
[20:26] <craag> (it won't be)
[20:26] <S_Mark> lol
[20:27] <craag> *(it won't be nearly as interesting as Dan's)
[20:27] <Upu> I can't offically say what his talk is about
[20:27] <Upu> yet
[20:27] <S_Mark> ha secret ok
[20:28] <arko> neither confirm nor deny
[20:28] <S_Mark> need to get a another flight done before the conf!
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[20:29] <arko> dooo itttt
[20:29] <S_Mark> I have a plan of what I want to do
[20:30] <S_Mark> just need to get it done
[20:30] <S_Mark> tracker changes almost complete
[20:30] <S_Mark> maybe this weekend
[20:31] <db_g6gzh> Upu: have you run the I²C interface for the TNC-PI for any length of time? I stacked one of your GPSPI boards on a TNC-PI and used the I²C for the TNC but the driver kept exiting.
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[20:35] <Upu> no I haven't db_g6gzh
[20:35] <Upu> mine runs on serial
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[20:36] <db_g6gzh> OK, just wondered given that earlier chat re your new board which looks interesting. Serial is reliable.
[20:37] <Upu> yeah but sadly the Pi people deem one serial port is enough
[20:37] <Upu> and the GPS doesn't work with the I2C
[20:37] <Upu> on a Pi properly
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> even arduino mega gives you 4 UARTs
[20:38] <mclane_> it does
[20:38] <mclane_> however, you need a bitbang i2c driver
[20:38] <mclane_> (proven to work in PYSY8 and9)
[20:38] <Upu> yeah
[20:38] <Upu> its messy
[20:39] <Upu> wish they'd put a second serial on it
[20:39] <Upu> uff mattbrejza Java :/
[20:40] <db_g6gzh> that's a nice thing about the BBB (if they weren't so scarce), you should do a TNC-Black+ 8-)
[20:40] <mattbrejza> ssh
[20:40] <mattbrejza> blame android
[20:40] <Upu> would like to help but java
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[20:41] <mclane_> mattbrejza: do you have a description of you telegram format / fec?
[20:41] <mattbrejza> do you have a netbook or something you dont care about? :P
[20:41] <mattbrejza> mclane_: it uses msgpack for the binary thing and the lte turbo code for error correction
[20:42] <craag> Running java on linux actually isn't that bad. Unpack it to a subdir and run the java binary manually from there.
[20:42] <Upu> well will see how this works db_g6gzh its just a test fro the moment
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[20:42] <craag> then srm the directory afterwards to be safe
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[20:44] <db_g6gzh> Upu: if you're working with him maybe you could sell his stuff in the UK. The Royal Mail handling charge for collecting the import duty is quite significant for one-off purchases.
[20:46] <Upu> well
[20:46] <Upu> we'll see
[20:46] <Upu> I just make them here
[20:48] <db_g6gzh> yeah, just a thought, but I'd definitely be interested in one of those TNC-Pi+ boards for a mobile install.
[20:48] <mfa298> Upu: reading some of the scrollback. you'll have to do one for the new compute module then you'll be able to use all the serial ports on the BCM
[20:50] <mfa298> although If I can get this Banana Pi doing something useful that's got several uarts and it supposedly compatible with the RPI (although I've not actually checked the GPIO header is actually the same yet.
[20:50] <Laurenceb> Nevada
[20:50] <Upu> still only on serial on that I think mfa298?
[20:51] <mfa298> possibly only one of the gpio header but I think there's another two easily accessible
[20:51] <Upu> it has two internally
[20:51] <Upu> but they choose not to map them out for some reason
[20:52] <mfa298> ah sorry that last line was for the BananaPi
[20:52] <mfa298> on the compute module all the gpio pins are broken out so you should be able to have both UART's and two cameras
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[20:53] <Laurenceb> haha N6ARA-12 relay via Los Alamos
[20:53] <arko> :)
[20:53] <Laurenceb> atomic hab
[20:54] <arko> this suckers atomic now :D
[20:54] <arko> should ask them for energy
[20:56] <Laurenceb> there is another Las Vegas
[20:56] <mfa298> looks like there might be 4 accessible UARTs on the Banana Pi board and maybe enough power for dl-fldigi.
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:03] <Laurenceb> B-2 ?
[21:03] <Laurenceb> wraparound?
[21:03] <Laurenceb> B-integeroverflow
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[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> Northrop B-2?
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[21:07] <chrisg7ogx> can someone give me the freq for B2 please? Is it .500?
[21:07] <aadamson> can always go this way too - http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php
[21:11] <Upu> you win the prize Laurenceb :)
[21:11] <Laurenceb> huh?
[21:12] <Upu> and so you do you chrisg7ogx :)
[21:12] <Laurenceb> its a fake balloon
[21:12] <Upu> Its just Leo playing back an old recording
[21:12] <chrisg7ogx> thought he had wound the tacho back
[21:12] <LeoBodnar> dusted off old Upu's album
[21:12] <LeoBodnar> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Data/B-2.wav
[21:13] <chrisg7ogx> just been checking my FCD pro plus on 124.150 and working ok so smelling a rat!
[21:13] <arko> B Classic Afterhours Remix Sessions
[21:13] <chrisg7ogx> goingm NNE but prediction s!
[21:14] <LeoBodnar> we need predictions from a year ago
[21:18] <DL7AD> evening
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[21:21] <Upu> evening Sven
[21:24] <S_Mark> Just bought two tickets upu (one for Cassie)
[21:24] <Upu> Perfect
[21:24] <Upu> thanks
[21:24] <DL7AD> hi anthony
[21:24] <S_Mark> looking forward to it
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[21:28] <chrisstubbs> Evening
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[21:29] <chrisstubbs> mattbrejza: tomorrow's flight looks interesting but I'm afraid I won't be around to track :(
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[21:33] <aadamson> thanks Upu, figured there was something *written* somewhere :) probably just got to some over zealous node ops, which is ok, they were nice about it
[21:34] <Upu> just launch it with WIDE7-7
[21:34] <Upu> have done with it
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[21:36] <DL7AD> everyone will kill you when using wide7 :D
[21:36] <aadamson> hehe, yeah, that would be funny to watch aprs-is when that happened.
[21:36] <aadamson> I got kinda killed for Wide2-1
[21:36] <aadamson> lol
[21:36] <DL7AD> rofl
[21:36] <DL7AD> i did wide1-1
[21:36] <arko> SERIOUSLY BAD PATH
[21:36] <aadamson> yeah. what did you beacon in the airplane, was that aprs?
[21:37] <LeoBodnar> not if you are in Italy
[21:37] <arko> i really wish for hate letters from ham beards in the US
[21:37] <arko> thats a dream
[21:37] <arko> fly a 1000W APRS HAB
[21:37] <Upu> 16kg yeah ?
[21:38] <arko> hahaha
[21:38] <aadamson> so my other fun one over last weekend.
[21:38] <LeoBodnar> no-one will notice
[21:38] <DL7AD> i do this everytime because i know at the near of my airport there's just a wide1-1 digipeater -.-
[21:38] <aadamson> I got a really *nasty* email from another hab person who told me that obviously
[21:38] <aadamson> I didn't read the FAA regs and that I needed a Strobe on my payload because it was in controlled airspace
[21:38] <mfa298> hmmm I was just thinking TNC with FT101 + 2m Transverter, that'll work right ?
[21:38] <DL7AD> aadamson: rofl
[21:39] <aadamson> (18k and above over here is considered positive control)
[21:39] <mfa298> Should probably add an Amstrad 1512 to run the aprs software as well.
[21:39] <aadamson> I told him that he was wrong and putting a *strobe* on a 1oz payload would be probably not very effective :)
[21:39] <Upu> aadamson should have replied with this image : (NSFW) http://www.jacobking.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/nfg-seo-300x236.png
[21:39] <aadamson> plus I then showed him the *actual* FAA rules and regs
[21:39] <aadamson> exactly!
[21:40] <aadamson> but then I got to thinking... one of those super white *big* LED's might be kinda interesting as a strobe - especially in any high altitude clouds :)
[21:41] <Upu> tried it
[21:41] <aadamson> why does that *NOT* surprise me ... lol
[21:41] <Upu> worked longer than the transmitter
[21:41] <aadamson> and how many calls did the local constable get for a UFO :)
[21:42] <Upu> There was a video of it somewhere
[21:42] <Upu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aoUnLU6xkQ&list=UUGkq3Q2JQhN_ChjcPPwAW3A
[21:42] <Upu> not brilliant
[21:43] <Upu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jvKD-ZeGyQ&list=UUGkq3Q2JQhN_ChjcPPwAW3A&index=5
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[21:45] <aadamson> was that one of the *modules* with built in strobe, etc?
[21:45] <aadamson> very cool
[21:45] <aadamson> it actually looked good in the air too
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[21:45] <Upu> yeah
[21:45] <aadamson> ya gotta link?
[21:45] <aadamson> or remember where you got it
[21:46] <Upu> Oh
[21:46] <Upu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uArr8e4gTes
[21:46] <Upu> better video
[21:48] <Upu> http://youtu.be/uArr8e4gTes?t=3m13s
[21:49] <DL7AD> Upu: what about putting this led flash light into the balloon?
[21:49] <Upu> we considered that
[21:49] <Upu> we were using H2
[21:49] <Upu> decided we didn't want too
[21:50] <DL7AD> understandable
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[23:05] <SilverIV7> Hey guys, got a couple of questions - my tracking device is working now and I can send and recieve co-ordinates via radio but how else should I test it before launch? Also how do I go about finding people that will help tracking on the actual da of launch - I'm south east England but may go upto Cambridge for launch day
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[23:17] <SpeedEvil> What frequency/
[23:21] <SilverIV7> It's using the NTX2B so 434mhz
[23:23] <SpeedEvil> What encoding?
[23:23] <SilverIV7> rtty - I think that's the encoding?
[23:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:common_coding_errors_payload_testing?s[]=meridian
[23:31] <craag> SilverIV7: The important thing is, is it turning up on spacenearus when you test?
[23:32] <craag> As for finding trackers to help, jsut send an announcement email to the mailing list, and then people will be listening.
[23:35] <SilverIV7> I haven't tried that yes, that's my nest step I guess - will ave a read of the link above
[23:35] <SilverIV7> ywt*
[23:35] <SilverIV7> yet**
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