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[05:52] <ProSpectre> mornin gents
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[07:08] <HA6NN> GM all
[07:15] <wrea> Morning
[07:16] <Upu> morning all, unless you're in Australia
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[07:39] <arko> Morning
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[07:52] <fsphil> morn
[07:57] <daveake> ing
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[08:02] <lz1dev> completing each others' words
[08:02] <daveake> no we're
[08:03] <daveake> n
[08:04] <daveake> ot. Dammit he must be afk
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[08:06] <Seejjay> nice try!
[08:08] <Seejjay> I saw a comment regarding possible condensation on BSIS
[08:08] <Seejjay> I wonder if any of these would help 3M Novec 1700, 1702, 2704
[08:09] <Seejjay> Not sure of cost
[08:09] <Seejjay> (No I am not from 3M!)
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[08:22] <ak4rp> MRC is filling...
[08:28] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: M0XER-15 Yaesu VX-8G. Got a new toy? :o
[08:33] <HA6NN> I am receiving HA5MRC balloon!
[08:35] <Maxell> HA6NN: Nice, what altitude?
[08:35] <Maxell> 1345m ah
[08:38] <Maxell> ha5mrc, HA6NM, OM1ATS \o/
[08:38] <Maxell> Good signal?
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[08:47] <HA6NN> Maxell:5524 m
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[08:49] <Maxell> HA6NN: good signal?
[08:50] <Maxell> 66795m (+6.0 m/s) quite fast
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[09:08] <jededu_> ping upu
[09:09] <Upu> morning jededu
[09:09] <jededu_> pm
[09:10] <jededu_> cant pm in the web irc?
[09:11] <Upu> ry that
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[09:37] <HA7018SWL> Hi!
[09:37] <fsphil> good morning
[09:40] <HA7018SWL> Depends on timezone, it's lunch time here. :-)
[09:40] <fsphil> UTC, the one true timezone :)
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[09:40] <HA7018SWL> fsphil: :)
[09:41] <daveake> On Earth it might be :)
[09:41] <daveake> There's a reason that ET didn't have a watch
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[10:07] <HA6NN> SRI for slow PC!
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[10:26] <Upu> what GPS was MRC using ?
[10:26] <Upu> not a ublox I suspect
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[10:28] <Upu> Hey Peter
[10:28] <Upu> what GPS was MRC using ?
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[10:31] <Maxell> 17894? Is that significant/know to be altitude error?
[10:32] <Upu> yes
[10:32] <Upu> lots of GPS's stop at 18km
[10:32] <Upu> 60,000 feet
[10:33] <Upu> but ublox is 12km if you forget to set flight mode
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[11:04] <SgtBurned> Hello folks!
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[11:07] <DL7AD_mobile2> Hi
[11:08] <SgtBurned> DL7AD_mobile2: I think its the apocolypse because we are the only 2 alive right now...
[11:08] <DL7AD_mobile2> :D
[11:09] <DL7AD_mobile2> You just have to ping everyone
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[11:09] <SgtBurned> Can confirm, No illectual life found in office.
[11:09] <DL7AD_mobile2> Ping upu
[11:09] <SgtBurned> He's dead, Im so sorry
[11:09] <ProSpectre> it's alife
[11:09] <SgtBurned> LIFE
[11:11] <DL7AD_mobile2> -.-
[11:12] <SgtBurned> Side note, Just reading Android SDK wiki... This is a function?
[11:12] <SgtBurned> "Returns "true" if the user interface is currently being messed with by a monkey."
[11:13] <SgtBurned> *Ape attacks Android tablet*
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[11:39] <cm13g09-work> SgtBurned: exciting....
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[11:52] <tjanos> afternoon
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[11:53] <tjanos> good afternoon
[11:53] <tjanos> the MRC went down
[11:53] <tjanos> with two cars they try to find, recover it
[11:53] <tjanos> because it has an interesting hw, xpectrum monitoring
[11:53] <tjanos> http://www.ha7wen.hu/hab/
[11:54] <tjanos> I am outside, behind a very poor internet connection
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[11:55] <SgtBurned> Good afternoon tjanos
[11:55] <tjanos> hello!
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[12:39] <Laurenceb_> is there a way to force cat to use "\r" as newline?
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[12:49] <sp2ipt> Laurenceb_: don't think so, you could use tr to replace \r
[12:49] <jededu_> Upu all received thx
[12:49] <Upu> nps
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[12:49] <Laurenceb_> ok ill pass it through a script to fix endings
[12:50] <jededu_> Sgtburned pm
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[13:06] <aadamson> Upu, was just reading the ukhas group... didn't know you used lps4018's I've been using lps3015's with no issue,
[13:07] <aadamson> not that much difference really size, as a little better current on the 4018's
[13:07] <aadamson> but way within what we are using them for
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[13:07] <aadamson> and you thought the 4018's were hard to solder :)... thank heavens for reflow
[13:08] <aadamson> s/size, as a/size and a ^
[13:22] <DL7AD> good afternoon
[13:23] <pd3t> howdy
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[13:23] <pd3t> coffee break
[13:23] <DL7AD> hi pd3t
[13:24] <sp2ipt> hi and bbl, gotta go home :)
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[13:31] <Laurenceb_> how can i copy from a path containing spaces and use pattern match?
[13:32] <SgtBurned> What are you trying to do?
[13:33] <Laurenceb_> cp "~/.gvfs/r01 on bar.foo/CEW/Project Data/Results/volunteer/*/*.txt" ./
[13:33] <Laurenceb_> is what i was trying to do
[13:33] <Laurenceb_> obviously it fails
[13:34] <KF7FER> do you need to escape the quotes perhaps?
[13:35] <SgtBurned> Its failng on Project Data
[13:35] <SgtBurned> try
[13:35] <SgtBurned> cp "~/.gvfs/r01 on bar.foo/CEW/Project\ Data/Results/volunteer/*/*.txt" ./
[13:35] <Laurenceb_> almost
[13:36] <lz1dev> you don't need to escape whitespaces within quotes
[13:36] <Laurenceb_> blah blah /*/*.txt": No such file or directory
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[13:36] <SgtBurned> Hmm
[13:36] <daveake> I think you need to quote the non-* bit only
[13:36] <Laurenceb_> ah thanks
[13:36] <Laurenceb_> lz1dev: got it thanks
[13:36] <SgtBurned> TIL Don't have to escape whitespace in quotes...
[13:37] <lz1dev> i am here every day
[13:37] <Laurenceb_> ls /home/laurence/.gvfs/r01\ on\ bar.foo/CEW/Project\ Data/Results/volunteer/*/*.txt
[13:37] <Laurenceb_> heh
[13:37] <Laurenceb_> ^that works
[13:37] <SgtBurned> ESCAPE ALL THE WHITESPACES
[13:39] <Laurenceb_> now i realise that is about 1TB of files...
[13:39] <Laurenceb_> this may take some time
[13:39] <SgtBurned> Good luck and Gods speed.
[13:39] <SgtBurned> *has problems transferring 5gb's from his old laptop...
[13:40] <nats`> moving the HD :)
[13:41] <Laurenceb_> r01 is some crazy distributed storage thing
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[13:49] <SgtBurned> Laurence, You better not be stealing a whole server's backup for evil deeds ;)
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[14:11] <Laurenceb_> are dos line endings \r\n?
[14:13] <zyp> yes
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[14:14] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[14:14] <Laurenceb_> how can i use sed to swap \r with \n?
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[14:21] <pd3t> unix2dos dos2unix
[14:22] <lz1dev> unix is just one \n
[14:22] <lz1dev> dos is \r\n
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[14:28] <BrainDamage> \r is old style macs, not even mac themselves uses just \n
[14:29] <BrainDamage> win: \r\n,super old macs: \r, unix: \n
[14:29] <nats`> whe you see this legacy in 2014 you feel that the charset problem will not be solved before ..... never
[14:31] <SgtBurned> sed -e 's/\r/\n/g' outfile MIGHT do it... In theory
[14:32] <SgtBurned> Most likely fudged it because I dont have a system up apart from windows
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[14:45] <lz1dev> SgtBurned: you want to remove the \r
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[14:45] <lz1dev> not replace it
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[14:51] <Laurenceb_> fixed it with tr
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[15:02] <NickB_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8XsnguPwKs#t=739
[15:02] <ProSpectre_2> anything wrong with the tracker?
[15:02] <NickB_> daveake got mentioned :)
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[15:03] <daveake> Saw that earlier. Shame he got some facts wrong.
[15:04] <NickB_> space :)
[15:04] <daveake> I filter that one out these days :/
[15:04] <daveake> 39km not 39.5, and Babbage had a fully working 'chute
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[15:05] <NickB_> ah ok
[15:05] <NickB_> thought so
[15:05] <NickB_> probably didnt give the same wow effect
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[16:13] <jellyfishtree> can anyone tell me some references on how to estimate how much helium needs to go in my balloon?
[16:14] <Upu> sure
[16:14] <Upu> http://habhub.org/calc/
[16:14] <Upu> aim for 5-5.5m/s ascent rate rather than altitude
[16:15] <jellyfishtree> the volume output is the helium amount right?
[16:15] <Upu> ignore that and go on neck lift
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[16:15] <Upu> what balloon and what weight is your payload ?
[16:16] <daveake> volume is only useful for buying enough gas
[16:16] <Upu> yep
[16:16] <Upu> unless you're super fancy and have a flow meter
[16:16] <daveake> s/fancy/rich/
[16:17] <jellyfishtree> we are looking at a 1500g or 2000g
[16:17] <jellyfishtree> latex
[16:17] <Upu> weight of the payload ?
[16:17] <jellyfishtree> but we havent picked a brand yet. Im leaning towards Kaymont. Not sure if Hyowee and Kaymont have different outputs for same weight values
[16:17] <Upu> Kaymont are more predictable
[16:18] <jellyfishtree> payload approx 5lbs
[16:18] <jellyfishtree> so...2200g?
[16:18] <Upu> where is sibot when you need him
[16:18] <daveake> that's on the heavy side
[16:18] <Upu> ouch
[16:19] <Upu> ok
[16:19] <jellyfishtree> yeah, it could be lower
[16:19] <Upu> so 2.2kg (very heavy) with a Kaymont 2000
[16:19] <Upu> you need to fill a milk container with 4.4kg of water
[16:19] <Upu> and hang it off the ballon
[16:19] <Upu> when that is floating i.e not going up or down
[16:19] <Upu> you're good
[16:20] <Upu> lighter is better
[16:20] <Upu> you're in america right ?
[16:20] <jellyfishtree> i am
[16:20] <Upu> yeah something gave it away :)
[16:20] <daveake> fill your boots then :)
[16:20] <jellyfishtree> yeah FAA regs say 6lbs or less
[16:20] <jellyfishtree> haha, my lack of high altitude balloon knowledge
[16:20] <Upu> true that doesn't mean you have to launch 6lbs :)
[16:20] <Upu> less weight is safer, goes higher, uses smaller balloons, less Helium etc etc
[16:21] <jellyfishtree> yeah. the majority of the weight is on the cameras
[16:21] <Upu> but anyway http://habhub.org/calc/ is your friend
[16:21] <daveake> Average over here I'd say is comfortably under 1kg
[16:21] <jellyfishtree> i just have a tiny arduino with a sd logger shield, a spot messenger, and then 3 cameras lol
[16:21] <Upu> you can play with values and settings
[16:21] <jellyfishtree> maybe ill shave a camera off
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[16:21] <Upu> you know the spot doesn't work at altitude ?
[16:22] <Upu> fine as a backup
[16:22] <Upu> just saying
[16:22] <jellyfishtree> its back up. i have a copernicus II gps module attached to the arduino
[16:22] <jellyfishtree> its the spot 2 so it should reinit once it descends
[16:22] <daveake> it should
[16:22] <jellyfishtree> hehe "should"
[16:23] <daveake> it may land upside down in which case it won't work
[16:23] <Upu> you might want to consider an APRS or radio tracker
[16:23] <Upu> however you're already heavy
[16:23] <jellyfishtree> im using the NTX2
[16:23] <Upu> oh
[16:23] <jellyfishtree> but im having issues with the RTTY code
[16:23] <Upu> in that case carry on as you were
[16:23] <Upu> go hack up http://github.org/habduino
[16:23] <jellyfishtree> oh...sweeeeet
[16:23] <jellyfishtree> god i love you guys
[16:24] <jellyfishtree> my weekend is looking brighter
[16:24] <jellyfishtree> gotta run. boss caught me on IRC
[16:24] <jellyfishtree> thank you!
[16:24] <Upu> laters
[16:25] Nick change: Adran -> Wherdran
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[16:48] <ProSpectre> @Upu: is there something like teh HABduino project but for the RPi?
[16:48] <Upu> Soon(TM)
[16:48] <Upu> http://imgur.com/a/edbM1
[16:48] <daveake> WorkingOnIt(TM)
[16:49] <daveake> ^^ actually true
[16:49] <daveake> right now
[16:49] <Upu> afk cooking
[16:51] <daveake> also https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqA5W3pCIAEGDyI.jpg
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[17:30] <ProSpectre> Pi in the Sky shield?
[17:33] <ProSpectre> daveake: I'd defn buy one!!
[17:34] <daveake> It is. It flew on Monday. Just finishing off the s/w for release
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[17:36] <jededu> upu is it too early to get the flight doc approved for wednesday next week
[17:37] <daveake> He's afk but no not too early. Wait till he gets back or ask in #habhub
[17:37] <ProSpectre> daveake: nice! to be found on HABsupplies in the near future?
[17:37] <daveake> yes
[17:37] <ProSpectre> thumbs up
[17:38] <jededu> daveake its 3.3v model a this time :)
[17:38] <daveake> :)
[17:38] <daveake> global warming will thank you :p
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[18:01] <ProSpectre> daveake: any est. time when the shields will hit the shop?
[18:03] <daveake> 2 weeks I believe
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[18:04] <ProSpectre> ok
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[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[18:10] <ak4rp> Hey Upu
[18:10] <Upu> hi there ak4rp
[18:10] <Upu> get it back ?
[18:10] <ak4rp> MRC had a high altitude GPS during pre-flight testing. survived a couple of days in the climate chamber etc
[18:10] <Upu> what GPS was it ?
[18:11] <ak4rp> and the suddenly died yesterday (it did not obtain a lock overnight despite being out in the open)
[18:11] <ak4rp> i guess some Argent Data device
[18:11] <ak4rp> so the guy had to replace it with an off-the-shelf Tyco module.
[18:12] <Upu> ah ok
[18:12] <Upu> come speak to me next time :/
[18:12] <ak4rp> We were surprised to see it operate through 10k, 12k
[18:12] <Upu> 60k feet or 18km
[18:12] <Upu> Sirf 3/4
[18:12] <ak4rp> until finally it died as we expected
[18:12] <ak4rp> yes, probybly a sirfIII, Im not sure, maybe sirf IV, weve literally got thousands of those modules thanks to industry sponsors
[18:13] <Upu> sadly they don't work at altitude you should get a ublox next time
[18:13] <ak4rp> yeah, we will. next time is probably in two weeks
[18:13] <ak4rp> sorry for messing up spacenear :)
[18:14] <ak4rp> Somehow I didnt find that filter setting (after first time) that prevents putting the balloon on the map without gps lock
[18:14] <ak4rp> I recall you stock max7qs ,right?
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[18:22] <tweetBot> @pitsproject: Coming soon..... #ukhas http://t.co/OUr3ZIz2Cs
[18:25] <ProSpectre> can't wait.
[18:25] <ProSpectre> :D
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[18:26] <ProSpectre> so it's a ublox combined with the NTX2!? anything else?
[18:26] <Upu> temp sensor
[18:26] <ProSpectre> ok
[18:26] <Upu> ADC to read battery
[18:26] <ProSpectre> nice
[18:26] <Upu> buck convertor which is more efficient than the on board one
[18:27] <ProSpectre> right
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[18:28] <Upu> frequency agile
[18:28] <Upu> and it will come with a GPS antenna, battery clip and something to make an antenna with
[18:29] <ProSpectre> sounds like an all incl package
[18:29] <ProSpectre> and I can add mor sensors to it?
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[18:30] <Upu> we have brought out I2C
[18:30] <Upu> and there is a second ADC channel free if you need it
[18:31] <ProSpectre> good to know
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[18:49] <pk1> anybody online
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[18:49] <arko> a lot of people
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[18:50] <pk1> arduino tracking in a scaled down version with ublox
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> pk1: where?
[18:50] <pk1> looking for good code with max7q
[18:51] <Upu> it works with stuff like TinyGPS as its standard NMEA
[18:51] <pk1> ublox max7q set to flight mode, how do we retain settings?
[18:51] <Upu> or do you mean to put it in airborne mode
[18:51] <Upu> ah
[18:51] <Upu> you just program it each time
[18:51] <Upu> or fit a battery
[18:51] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/wiki/doku.php?id=frontpage:levelconvertor
[18:52] <Upu> it doesn't have on board EEPROM best to just program it each time
[18:52] <pk1> upu: tx that code looks good and i will use a smaller battery to hold gps code on.
[18:53] <Upu> I would program it each time as a matter of course though
[18:54] <pk1> do you mean in flight mode?, what about satellite lock after reprogram?
[18:54] <Upu> it gets lock in 30 seconds from cold with a good antenna
[18:54] <Upu> so just power it on
[18:54] <Upu> send command to put it in flight mode
[18:54] <Upu> check its in flight mode
[18:55] <Upu> go about your habbing
[18:55] <pk1> thanks upu will look into it. keep you updated tx again.
[18:55] <Upu> nps
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[19:11] <jededu> Upu sent email
[19:11] <Upu> hey jededu got it will have a look sometime between today and tommorrow :)
[19:12] <jededu> Ok take your time no rush
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[19:15] <ak4rp> Upu, I guess you can remove the track.
[19:16] <Upu> thanks ak4rp
[19:16] <Upu> I missed did you recover sucessfully ?
[19:16] <ak4rp> we thank you
[19:17] <ak4rp> yes, of course it landed on a treetop (about 30ft) in the middle of nowhere
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[19:17] <ak4rp> it took a couple of hours but they managed to recover it
[19:17] <Upu> super :)
[19:17] <Upu> any pics ?
[19:17] <ak4rp> and it was fully functional, no damage
[19:18] <ak4rp> there will be, Ill post them when the main photographer uploads them
[19:18] <Upu> excellent well congrats shame about the 18km limit but looks like a sucessful flight and quite a few recievers considering
[19:18] <ak4rp> the sprectrum measurement worked very well, unfortunately we will not be able to associate altitude with the results above 18000 m, but nevertheless everything worked well including the high-speed link
[19:19] <Upu> yeah well grab a ublox next time
[19:19] <pd3t> print
[19:19] <ak4rp> next time it will be better, and Im sure its going to land in the middle of a corn field
[19:19] Action: pd3t afk
[19:19] <ak4rp> thanks for the tracking infrastructure again.
[19:19] <ak4rp> Ill PM you about the GPS
[19:20] <pd3t> BOFH: The kernel license has expired
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[19:22] <gb73d> Pi in the sky :) like it
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[19:26] <Upu> nps thx ak4rp
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[19:38] <SgtBurned> Hello Folks.
[19:38] <Upu> evening
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[19:41] <SgtBurned> How is everyone?
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[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> ah I am good, thanks and you?
[19:46] <Piet0r> Kampinoenen!
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[19:47] <SgtBurned> All is good in Sgt Land
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[19:49] <BSIS_Chris> Had some fun DFing BSIS on Wednesday.
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[19:51] <BSIS_Chris> Much going on tonight?
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[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> what is the best way to make a wire to board connection in a CAD?
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> for example, on Stormdrifter II v2.0 I used those screw terminals, but I am looking at alternatives
[19:58] <zyp> what do you mean?
[19:59] <BSIS_Chris> In BSIS we have used the 0.1" PCB female sockets and soldered 0.1" male pins to the wires - like Arduino uses.
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> zyp, something like Chris just said
[19:59] <mclane_> jst connectors
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[20:00] <zyp> Lunar_Lander, it's the CAD part I'm not seeing the relation to
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> ah yea
[20:00] <BSIS_Chris> They can pull out, of course.
[20:00] <BSIS_Chris> But they make for good connections.
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> I am currently using KiCAD, moving from Eagle
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> and I was not that satisfied with the connector options the program has
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[20:01] <zyp> make your own then
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> yea just figured that
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[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[20:01] <BSIS_Chris> The 0.1" things just look like SIL packages on CAD
[20:02] <zyp> the right way to go about it is selecting whatever connector is appropriate for your project, and then making a matching footprint for it if one doesn't exist already
[20:02] <zyp> don't let footprint availability matter for your choice
[20:03] <KF7FER> Lunar: FWIW I like these (they lock and you can still use 0.1" headers if you choose) http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0022272021_PCB_HEADERS.xml
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[20:04] <BSIS_Chris> If they're what I'm thinking, the female bits need you to crimp on springs for every connection - a bit of a pain.
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[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> on the current board I have I got those screw terminals as I said, but a thing that seems to be not good is their price
[20:05] <KF7FER> BSIS_Chris: Well I'm not sure springs are the correct term but yes, for the female you have to crimp a connector and then slide them into a housing. Don't JST connectors work the same way?
[20:06] <KF7FER> and size I'd think - kinda big and heavy
[20:07] <aadamson> BSIS_Chris, the molex connectors as KF7FER referenced them don't require separate spring things
[20:07] <aadamson> they use a female pin that is a combination spring, crimp to wire
[20:07] <aadamson> so it's just one thing you crimp on the wire *or* you can get solder versions if you want to crimp
[20:08] <BSIS_Chris> I meant these http://www.rapidonline.com/cables-connectors/single-row-pcb-sockets-2-54mm-pitch-180585
[20:08] <aadamson> Oh, those are entirely different from what KF7FER referenced
[20:09] <BSIS_Chris> and these http://www.rapidonline.com/cables-connectors/truconnect-single-row-pcb-headers-63793
[20:09] <aadamson> those are just standard .1 (2.54mm) spaced female headers to make to pins. What KF7FER reference is similar, but can have a locking tab that the female part locks to the male part with
[20:09] <BSIS_Chris> We only used them for interconnections inside a capsule - no movement of relative parts.
[20:10] <BSIS_Chris> So no positive locking
[20:10] <aadamson> yeah, thats very typical usage
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> KF7FER, yeah I think JST works like you said
[20:11] <aadamson> the way you used them is more traditional for board to board. whereas the others can be used for wire to board - plus they also make them for board to board too (molex does)
[20:12] <KF7FER> I just liked the ability to use a "locking" connector and in a pinch (during testing), I can use existing 0.1" cables
[20:12] <mclane_> Lunar_Lander: http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/734166/Stiftleiste-RM-254-gerade-Pole-2-72638-BKL-Electronic-Inhalt-1-St/?ref=detview1&rt=detview1&rb=2
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[20:12] <mclane_> and that: http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/734021/Leergehaeuse-Pole-2-72630-BKL-Electronic-Inhalt-1-St/?ref=detview1&rt=detview1&rb=1
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> nice!
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> we used these so far http://uk.farnell.com/phoenix-contact/1725656/klemmblock-micro-print-schraub/dp/3041359
[20:13] <aadamson> Lunar_Lander, I think zyp answered this, but *any* cad package is going have only a limited number of wigets in it, making your own either package or footprint is *just* what you do :)
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> aadamson, yeah I think so too
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[20:13] <mclane_> I am using those in PYSY
[20:14] <aadamson> to switch from eagle to kicad just for a connector.... it may have been easier to go look for the connector in the free eagle libraries that exist on their site and just about everywhere
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[20:15] <aadamson> but word to the wize - ALWAYS, verify someone else footprint/package/etc, you'd be amazed at how many mistakes there are out there
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[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> aadamson, no not just because of that
[20:17] <aadamson> ah, ok, was just reading above and thought that was the reason
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> I want to go to KiCAD for having no limits for free
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> so to speak
[20:18] <aadamson> I personally switched from eagle to diptrace because I wanted the built in 3d viewer
[20:18] <aadamson> and both eagle and diptrace in their free versions which are pin limited haven't been a problem for me yet
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:18] <aadamson> I could use altium - even have a real license, but's just simply *way* too complex for what I need
[20:19] <aadamson> but I do like their *hugs* feature and covet that all the freaking time :)
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I started in EAGLE back then, went to KiCAD, then to EAGLE to use Upu's library and now I'd like to go to KiCAD again after seeing that development moved to CERN and is getting ahead
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:19] <aadamson> yeah, I've heard good things about the latest version, ones prior were very limited in feature/function compared to others
[20:19] <aadamson> but the latest version seems to have made lots o progress there
[20:20] <KF7FER> Lunar_Lander: I've been thinking of switching to KiCAD myself. How is the learning curve? Learning to use Eagle was... painful
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> hmm I worked through the tutorial in the docs once
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> after that I knew much of it and could work with it
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[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> it might seem stupid, but the first showstopper was that I thought "Man, the library is pretty empty"
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> then it came to me that you can draw generic parts in the schematic, so you don't need a huge library
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> after that, it went pretty OK
[20:22] <KF7FER> Ok thanks. I'll have to give it a try.
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:23] <KF7FER> I've kinda held off because I hate creating parts and I've heard there aren't as many pre-built libraries available for KiCAD
[20:24] <KF7FER> which is a lousy excuse I know
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> but that is what I thought also
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[20:28] <aadamson> I haven't looked at kicad in a really long time... but *most* of the newer tools are really easy to make new parts with
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[20:28] <aadamson> if that is a roadblock, start there, find something you need and make both the package and footprint
[20:29] <aadamson> usually one is made up of pins and and outline and the other is made up of pads and a silkscreen outline
[20:29] <aadamson> and putting the 2 together is as much of the battle as *painting the part*
[20:32] <KF7FER> good advice. I've always disliked doing the footprint part. Tedious. The rest is easy once you learn the process (at least for Eagle)
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[20:33] <mikestir> when drawing footprints consider using the IPC standard pad layout
[20:33] <mikestir> there is a free librarian tool that can be downloaded to help with that
[20:34] <mikestir> it's part of the mentor graphics suite
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[20:40] <aadamson> mikestir, you back around for real?
[20:40] <aadamson> have fun?
[20:42] <arko> doesn't look like flying habs in los angeles will be an option this weekend
[20:42] <arko> darn faa restrictions
[20:43] <mikestir> aadamson: no I'm still away
[20:43] <mikestir> just doing something on the computer for a bit
[20:46] <aadamson> well, stop that already would ya! :)
[20:46] <aadamson> take care, have fun... I know you are bandwidth limited
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> hmm
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> 2 minute stream latency of German TV
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[20:48] <SgtBurned> arko they have to catchyou first ;D
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[20:51] <arko> eh, rather be safe
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[20:52] <mikestir> aadamson: I don't think IRC really matters when considering bandwidth limits!
[20:52] <ProSpectre> what do you use for APRS on a payload? is there a breakout mod?
[20:53] <aadamson> mikestir, yeah, just knew you were on cell data and trying to conserve the other day so figured same this time around
[20:54] <mikestir> it seems to be lasting me quite well - probably mainly due to the fact that I'm not using Windows and it isn't therefore doing "things I've not told it to do" continuously in the backgroun
[20:54] <mikestir> d
[20:54] <aadamson> ProSpectre, because of some of the EU's countries limitation on no airborne APRS, most aren't doing it. However depending on what hardware you are using there are ways to do it
[20:55] <aadamson> indeed mikestir
[20:56] <ProSpectre> aadamson: ok. I saw the Bxx balloons used APRS that's why I'm askin
[20:58] <aadamson> yeah, they geofence for countries that allow and where so, it does both
[20:58] <aadamson> but that is custom hardware
[20:59] <ProSpectre> oh ok
[20:59] <ProSpectre> so depending on the gps coords it uses ntx2 or aprs
[20:59] <ProSpectre> ?
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[21:20] <aadamson> ProSpectre, no it uses a custom radio and method in software/hardware to do either the SSB mode or FM AFSK for aprs
[21:20] <aadamson> and the radio is frequency agile within reason, so that they can change frequencies between the 430mhz ISM band and the 144mhz aprs frequency
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[21:55] <DL7AD> hi
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[21:56] <ulfr> sup?
[21:57] <ulfr> oops
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[22:08] <WolfB_> Hi DL7AD and grüsse aus der Nachbarschaft
[22:08] <DL7AD> WolfB_: huhu :) ja auch grüße hier ausn berlin
[22:11] <DL7AD> WolfB_: sind irgendwelche starts für morgen angesagt?
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[22:13] <WolfB_> Keine Starts angemeldet
[22:13] <DL7AD> hm schade
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[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> electrometer http://gerblook.org/pcb/cgm8iXegukeDiGWaiKbdd5#front
[22:38] <KF7FER> what's it for? lightning detector?
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> measures electric field on a balloon
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[22:39] <KF7FER> hmmm... interesting.
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[22:48] <Laurenceb> https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded/+announcement/12764
[22:48] <Laurenceb> how do i spell
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[23:01] <arko> with letters
[23:02] <wrea> Letters? Whats the fun in that?
[23:02] <wrea> R3l3@$3
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[23:04] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/f7rJAZ7.gif
[23:05] <wrea> what the... lol
[23:06] <arko> thats real hacking
[23:07] <wrea> Checks out
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[23:36] <aadamson> Laurenceb, now to see what's broken :)
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[23:48] <aadamson> well at least thing built ok :)...
[23:48] <arko> oh gcc-arm
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[23:56] <Willdude123> There's lightning really close to me. This is both scary and awesome
[23:56] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:56] <Lunar_Lander> Chile won
[23:57] <arko> its just electricity :)
[23:57] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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