highaltitude.log.20140611

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[01:50] <MightyMik> most of the people that would have an answer are asleep
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[04:30] <DJ3AK> gm
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[04:37] <chris-4x1rf> Morning everybody!
[04:38] <chris-4x1rf> SP9UOB is alive and well!
[04:40] <Reb-SM3ULC> cool
[04:40] <chris-4x1rf> I am blocked to NE from Mount Carmel which seriously affects my radio horizon to that direction
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[05:56] <tweetBot> @marionste: @TheDukeOfYork @daveake: The Queen, The Duke of York, and my TARDIS :-) #UKHAS #RaspberryPi http://t.co/NNxyr3h2gi"
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[07:37] <Laurenceb_> what happened to B-56?
[07:37] <Laurenceb_> cloud?
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[08:06] <amell> interesting.
[08:06] <amell> B-56 appears to have come down.
[08:06] <amell> its like really close to me. any idea where it might have landed?
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[08:16] <amell> nope, cant hear it. just listened on the off chance it might have landed in my garden.
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[08:54] <ak4rp> hi, could somebody approve a flight doc for me please?
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[08:57] <nats`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balloon_fetish <= uhhhhhhhh oO
[08:59] <malgar> :D
[09:00] <nats`> So how are you looners ? :D
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[09:04] <LeoBodnar> http://s1.postimg.org/5wehkyyzj/homologacja.jpg
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[09:04] <LeoBodnar> http://s9.postimg.org/qh6bxil8f/6666.jpg
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[09:08] <amell> Is that you leobodnar, performing acts on your Bs before launch?
[09:09] <db_g6gzh> talking of launch ...
[09:10] <db_g6gzh> there's a 57 already
[09:10] <amell> 434.500?
[09:12] <db_g6gzh> as always 8-)
[09:12] <amell> i hear b57, but its not come through flight docs yet
[09:12] <db_g6gzh> yes
[09:12] <amell> con 8/250?
[09:13] <amell> yeah
[09:13] <LeoBodnar> I think it's SP3OSJ balloon
[09:13] <amell> $$B-57,15,091226,140611,52.1119,-0.9307,1433,7,30,4.2,0.6*72A7
[09:13] <amell> loud and clear
[09:15] <amell> you are forecast to fly over elsworth where there will be another launch in 1-2 hours on 434.650
[09:15] <amell> conflicting frequencies would have been awkward.
[09:16] <db_g6gzh> I'd just left the setup running with volume down and noticed a green bar appear
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[09:16] <amell> $$B-57,17,091532,140611,52.1179,-0.9136,1593,9,30,4.2,0.6*AC1F
[09:18] <amell> shame i only have one dongle. need to unplug this one to take to a launch
[09:18] <db_g6gzh> amell: 434.5 is reserved 8-) http://i.imgur.com/aUtXiJ9.png
[09:18] <LeoBodnar> if B-57 were to carry a boiled frog it would have been awkward too
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[09:18] <amell> this is true
[09:19] <amell> can someone make a flight doc for b-57?
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[09:24] <amell> 1856
[09:25] <Darkside> /win 23
[09:25] <fsphil> /fail
[09:25] <fsphil> you have too many windows
[09:25] <amell> btw, do you think it will be possible to see a pico at 2km distance with binoculars, on a clear day?
[09:26] <fsphil> a normal foil sure
[09:26] <fsphil> they're quite reflective
[09:26] <mfa298> With a decent camera and lens you can see a latex flight at ~30km
[09:26] <amell> looks like B-57 is coming over my head soon. I will see if i can see it :)
[09:27] <mfa298> amell: https://plus.google.com/photos/+PhilipCrump/albums/5930701264198130753
[09:28] <mfa298> that was even visible to the naked eye - but that was with sun and timing being optimum
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[09:33] <amell> hmm. i do have a telescope.
[09:33] <amell> well see.
[09:33] <fsphil> I'd like to try it with a telescope some day
[09:33] <fsphil> but none of the launches are near enough
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[09:34] <Laurenceb__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cox%E2%80%93Zucker_machine
[09:34] <amell> Laurence: said with an accent, that is quite rude.
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[09:37] <amell> 2377m, and its not here yet. I dont think i have sufficient optical resolution.
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[09:38] <chrisg7ogx> is B57 same parameters as usual please?
[09:38] <gonzo_m2> if its silvered mylar it mau not be visible anyway
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[09:39] <amell> flight doc has appeared
[09:39] <amell> distance 44.07km
[09:39] Action: amell hears the sound of habrotators springing into life.
[09:40] <mfa298> Those pictures were from a latex close to bursting and reflecting a very low sun (it was just setting).
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[09:42] <amell> G8APZ has rotated.
[09:42] <fsphil> I would need a tower a few km high
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[09:43] <fsphil> about 15km
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[09:43] <amell> fsphil: i just need a $10 dongle. lol
[09:43] <amell> at this distance a paperclip aerial would probably suffice.
[09:43] <fsphil> silly geography
[09:44] <G8APZ> I use an IC-475e but my tower is at low height at the moment
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[09:44] <G8APZ> The antenna is an omni vertical, so no rotate required
[09:45] <amell> impressive distance. what is your elevation?
[09:45] <G8APZ> 300m asl
[09:45] <G8APZ> oops
[09:45] <amell> i mean in over the horizon deg
[09:45] <G8APZ> 100m asl!
[09:46] <G8APZ> 1.3 degrees
[09:47] <amell> all the rotators are on it now. Surprised at G8KNN though.
[09:48] <G8APZ> B-56 caught me out last night.... wasn't expecting it... don't know where it is now though
[09:48] <amell> guessing its in a field somewhere.
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[09:48] <DL7AD> hi
[09:48] <DL7AD> did Leo recover b-56?
[09:48] <amell> If i had known in advance, wed probably know quite accurately where it went.
[09:49] <amell> last report from b-56 was at 1004m
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[09:53] <db_g6gzh> I heard B-56 at 132m and looked like it was heading for the A14 at Molesworth
[09:53] <amell> leobodnar: have you recovered b-56? is it worth me having a look for it?
[09:53] <amell> db_g6gzh: you get partials?
[09:53] <db_g6gzh> no that was a green, should be on the map
[09:53] <amell> oh yeah.
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[09:54] <manu2424> Hi, i'm Emanuele
[09:54] <amell> it is just down the road, but no point in me taking a look for it if Leo already has it
[09:54] <manu2424> Could you help me?
[09:58] <fsphil> depends on what you want help with I guess :)
[09:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just ask away manu2424
[09:59] <manu2424> If i have a payload of 800g-900g which balloons i can buy? and how much helium i must have?
[10:00] <fsphil> it depends on how high you want it to go, and how quickly
[10:00] <manu2424> 30-35km
[10:00] <fsphil> http://habhub.org/calc/
[10:00] <fsphil> this calculator will help
[10:00] <fsphil> you can put in your payload weight, and target altitude
[10:00] <fsphil> or target ascent rate
[10:00] <manu2424> I do not know to use it well, so I asked you
[10:00] <fsphil> and see what effect different balloons have
[10:00] <manu2424> I do not know which ballons would be fine
[10:02] <manu2424> i have a payload (no parachaute and line) about 800-900gr (i think... now i don't know ) , which balloons i must buy ?
[10:02] <manu2424> in payload i must put Arduino,HERO GO3+ , gsm tracker, GPS SPot
[10:03] <fsphil> well for example, if you put into that calculator
[10:03] <fsphil> a 900g payload, target ascent rate of 5m/s
[10:04] <fsphil> you can change the balloon size and see what effect it has on the burst altitude
[10:04] <fsphil> on the right hand side it will also tell you how much helium this will need
[10:05] <fsphil> if you select a 1200g balloon for example, it predicts it will burst at about 33.3km
[10:05] <fsphil> and need 3.21 m3 of helium
[10:05] <daveake> Helium is expensive so less is better. In the UK a "medium" cylinder is 3.6 m^3, and if you need more the price goes up by 50%. So it's good to choose a balloon that needs less than 3.6
[10:06] <fsphil> it's ever so slow filling it when it's nearly empty too
[10:06] <manu2424> but i'm italian... if i buy in Uk
[10:06] <manu2424> i musy buy a medium cylinder?
[10:06] <fsphil> that's just an example
[10:06] <manu2424> must*
[10:07] <daveake> You need to find out how much gas you get inb a cylinder locally
[10:07] <daveake> Try suppliers of party balloons
[10:07] <daveake> They will ask you how many balloons you want to fill
[10:07] <MightyMik> welding supply maybe?
[10:07] <daveake> After you tell them "1", you need to ask how much volume of gas you get
[10:07] <fsphil> I still love the look I get after saying "1"
[10:08] <daveake> :)
[10:08] <daveake> It's a classic
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[10:08] <daveake> MightyMil It depends. Helium is in short supply and BOC in the UK only supply to their larger customers
[10:09] <MightyMik> k
[10:09] <daveake> Also it's cheaper that way
[10:09] <manu2424> then... as might weigh myself in the payload Comprising: Arduino,HERO GO3+ , gsm tracker, GPS SPot?
[10:09] <daveake> Yes k no l sorry :)
[10:10] <daveake> If the Arduino is doing radio, and you have a GSM backup, don't bother with the Spot
[10:10] <manu2424> Arduino save pressure,temperature,humidty in a SD ..
[10:10] <daveake> ok .....
[10:10] <daveake> .... in that case use GSM and Spot
[10:10] <daveake> and good luck
[10:11] <manu2424> yes, but i want use also arduino for measure data such as pressure, temperature and humidity
[10:11] <manu2424> i think that will be a 500-600gr.. or no?
[10:12] <manu2424> (i mean payload)
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[10:17] <manu2424> ok whit a ballons of 1200g and a 700gr of payload i must have about 3m^3 helium
[10:17] <manu2424> Now ... which parachute i must buy for this balloons and this payload?
[10:18] <daveake> There's a calculator at http://www.randomengineering.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Parachutes.html
[10:18] <daveake> and you can buy the balloon and chute from there (recommended)
[10:18] <daveake> With the calculator, aim for 5m/s landing speed
[10:19] <daveake> So for 700g a 30" spherachute is perfect
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[10:21] <manu2424> Ok perfect.. thanks so lot
[10:21] <manu2424> the problem is that helium is very expensive
[10:22] <amell> god b-57 ia loud at 11km!
[10:22] <chrisg7ogx> is B57 on 434.500 please?
[10:22] <amell> yes contesia 8/250
[10:22] <chrisg7ogx> nothing here tks
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[10:23] <amell> its so loud there isnt any noise in my waterfall :)
[10:23] <Jess--> anyone else seeing freq drift on B-57 or is my dongle acting up?
[10:23] <amell> its bang on stable
[10:23] <manu2424> Kaymont is good?
[10:23] <manu2424> or is better hwoyee?
[10:24] <daveake> Hwoyee are cheaper and can go higher; Kaymont or more reliable
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[10:24] <amell> lol. b57 is literally flying down my street
[10:25] <Jess--> Cheers amell, it seems as though my rtl dongle that I'm experimenting with drifts in freq when you start it from cold (500hz so far)
[10:25] <daveake> they do
[10:25] <amell> i have a correction of 79ppm on mine.
[10:25] <Jess--> lol I've been spoilt with my usual funcube pro + (no drift)
[10:26] <amell> 7.2km distance
[10:26] <db_g6gzh> Jess--: even my "proper" radio has moved a few 100 Hz from cold
[10:26] <chrisg7ogx> amell wave!
[10:26] <Maxell> Nothing heard from B-55 and B-56 went swimming?
[10:27] <amell> at this distance im actually hearing two pips from b-57
[10:28] <Jess--> dongle seems solid now, no more drift db_g6gzh I'm M0VBR on the map
[10:29] <chrisg7ogx> hearing 557
[10:29] <Maxell> Oh, B-57 launched? :o
[10:29] <chrisg7ogx> B57
[10:30] <chrisg7ogx> maxell yes usual parameters
[10:30] <db_g6gzh> amell: I'm hearing extra pips too, I wonder if B-56 has warmed up and lifted off again?
[10:30] <amell> but we would expect telemetry from b56 too?
[10:31] <amell> theres definately extra pips here. leobodnar?
[10:31] <db_g6gzh> strange
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[10:33] <amell> http://i.imgur.com/3nRapTR.png
[10:33] <db_g6gzh> yes B-56 is there too
[10:33] <db_g6gzh> they're sending at the same time
[10:33] <LeoBodnar> now *this* is awkward
[10:34] <amell> how do you know its b-56? ive not seen telemetry from it
[10:34] <db_g6gzh> 8-)
[10:34] <chrisg7ogx> LOL both female balloons then!
[10:34] <db_g6gzh> $$B-56,400,103256,140611,52.37796,-0.40227,458,9,26,3.89,0.51*863F
[10:34] <amell> 458. oopa
[10:35] <Maxell> chrisg7ogx: ok
[10:35] <G8APZ> db_g6gzh well done that man!!
[10:35] <amell> leobodnar: are the pips gps clocked? they seem to happen at the same time.
[10:35] <LeoBodnar> well they will naturally line up against GPS
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[10:35] <LeoBodnar> is there a freq difference?
[10:36] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar maybe worth putting in a delay so no two are the same!
[10:36] <LeoBodnar> between the two?
[10:36] <db_g6gzh> almost none
[10:36] <amell> the spectrum is slightly narrower
[10:36] <LeoBodnar> damn
[10:36] <amell> theres about 25-50 hz or so difference in frequency between the pips
[10:36] <db_g6gzh> B-56 must have been stronger that one time as I started decoding 57 and then 56 came through
[10:37] <db_g6gzh> ah happening again
[10:37] <LeoBodnar> lol
[10:37] <db_g6gzh> so 56 trampled on 57 8-)
[10:37] <LeoBodnar> testing your skills
[10:38] <db_g6gzh> heh, not much I can do without a beam
[10:38] <G8APZ> a beam is the answer...yes
[10:38] <db_g6gzh> and even that wouldn't help much
[10:38] <db_g6gzh> they're in much the same direction from me
[10:40] <G8APZ> That's a pity!
[10:41] <amell> leobodnar: http://i.imgur.com/pXfCslC.png
[10:41] <amell> see the slight freq offset in the pips
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[10:42] <Laurenceb__> that might be a fldigi artefact?
[10:43] <amell> nope. it started about 10 min ago
[10:43] <amell> i think b56 took off again about 10-15 min ago
[10:44] <G8APZ> I doubt it's a problem with FLdigi... a block was decoded from B56
[10:44] <amell> it was a clear one pip earlier
[10:44] <amell> and now i am retuning
[10:44] <amell> i can confirm i can hear BSIS on the ground at elsworth :)
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[10:44] <G8APZ> B56 was at 710 m then
[10:45] <G8APZ> amell - you are having a good time this morning!
[10:45] <amell> i am
[10:45] <amell> going to go and see steve now. later.
[10:45] <Jess--> I can hear pips from both but decoding B-57 cleanly for now
[10:45] <MightyMik> b-56 is climbing?
[10:46] <db_g6gzh> I'm impressed with the capture effect of Contestia, at least one gets through rather than just trashing both.
[10:46] <G8APZ> seems to be ...
[10:46] <G8APZ> now 870m
[10:46] <Ian_> is SNUS happy with longitude in positive degrees, such as 359.59773 rather than -0.40227 ?
[10:47] <G8APZ> Ian_ I think lat should be +-180
[10:47] <G8APZ> longditude rather
[10:48] <G8APZ> longitude... bad typo day!
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[10:53] <MightyMik> may now be picking up B-56 on websdr
[10:53] <Laurenceb__> wtf
[10:53] <Laurenceb__> autolaunching balloon
[10:53] <Ian_> Thanks, I was just curious if rotator 0 to 360 and longitude could be matched. I guess that it was chosen that way to make prime meridian crossing less complicated. I'll have to check how far Leo would need to be before a B-xx hits the +180/-180 meridian
[10:54] <G8APZ> both B56 and B57 are in here... co -channel - how odd!
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[10:57] <DL7AD> G8APZ: b56 has been launched again?
[10:57] <amell_> Took off on its own
[10:58] <DL7AD> rofl
[10:58] <amell_> Probably warmed up
[10:58] <amell_> It's why I. Heard two pips
[10:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Guys
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[11:02] <amell_> Bsis is filling. It's gusty
[11:02] <Maxell> RevSpace also decoding.
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[11:02] <Maxell> Have a safe flight LeoBodnar
[11:03] <MightyMik> competeing decodes now
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[11:05] <amell_> http://i.imgur.com/BieUPYj.png
[11:05] <amell_> Live from Elsworth
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[11:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> amell_: What are the tracking details please?
[11:05] <amell_> 434.650
[11:06] <amell_> Ratty
[11:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL OK
[11:06] <amell_> Rtty even
[11:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK I'll try and track when you reach a few K
[11:07] <MightyMik> getting b-56 partials now
[11:11] <G8APZ> partial from B56 also
[11:11] <DL7AD> are the balloons transmitting synchronous?
[11:11] <navrac_work> same here b56 and b57 taking turns
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[11:11] <G8APZ> DL6AD yes... unbelievable ... co channel too
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[11:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Good thing there all in very roughly the same direction!
[11:13] <G8APZ> DL7D yes... unbelievable ... co channel too (typo in your call)
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[11:15] <MightyMik> got a B-56 complete
[11:15] <MightyMik> $$B-56,422,111417,140611,52.4564,-0.1538,2007,6,25,3.88,0.53*B682
[11:15] <DL7AD> good
[11:16] <amell_> Bsis is launched
[11:17] <chrisg7ogx> Bsis $£$.650?
[11:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Bon Voyage
[11:17] <amell_> Headed east
[11:17] <amell_> 434.650
[11:19] <amell_> http://i.imgur.com/BPcGHjR.png
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[11:28] <Laurenceb__> F1OIL
[11:28] <Laurenceb__> i like it
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[11:31] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: HAB Update: B-56 resumed flying, B-57 flying and BSIS Tracking http://t.co/op0g3lPWkU #ukhas #hamr
[11:34] <amell> damn busy morning. its all happening in this neck of the woods
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[11:37] <chrisg7ogx> now if only B55 came up for a fly-by!!
[11:37] <amell> good to see i can hear balloons on the ground at elsworth, without a habamp.
[11:37] <amell> ive had three balloons fly by in the last couple of hours
[11:37] <amell> all within 20k
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[11:38] <amell> think im done looning for today
[11:40] <G8APZ> Would be good to know if B55 is still airborne
[11:42] <amell> still hearing double pips. the frequency has shifted more.
[11:43] <Jess--> 56 is now wiping 57 for me
[11:43] <amell> why would the frequency between the pips have changed? its about 25hz more than earlier.
[11:43] <amell> b57 is trumps for me
[11:44] <fsphil> a swarm of Bs
[11:44] <amell> i can see they are both transmitting contesia at the same time, as theres a slight shadow in the contesia with shift of 25hz between them.
[11:44] <amell> in theory with the right equipment, should be able to decode both simultaneously.
[11:45] <Jess--> trying, 2 copies of fl-digi, one on each
[11:45] <amell> i guess dlfldigi cant do dual contesia? :)
[11:45] <amell> jess: theres an idea
[11:45] <fsphil> not if they overlap
[11:45] <amell> theres a shift between them
[11:45] <amell> i got b56 then
[11:46] <amell> this is hilarious, i hear b56 and b57 about 50% of the time each
[11:48] <amell> i can actually see two sets of contesia tones in the waterfall.
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[11:56] <Laurenceb__> B-57 burst?
[11:57] <amell> bad frequency drift on bsis. or is it just me?
[12:00] <mfa298> amell: it sounds like it's an NTX2 rather than NTX2b and they were drifty with temperature change
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[12:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> B-57 taking a dip ...
[12:04] <amell> hard to say at the moment?
[12:04] <amell> well, at least the frequency conflict will get resolved.
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[12:06] <Jess--> triple decode in progress here, B-56, B-57 & BSIS (setp = 1 funcube dongle, 2 copies of hd-sdr and 2 copies of fl-digi)
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[12:07] <mfa298> Jess--: you should look at sdr-radio v2, up to 6 vfos from a single device in one program
[12:08] <Jess--> can you route each vfo to a seperate audio output?
[12:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yup that's what I run currently 2 vfo's and two dl-fldigi's
[12:08] <mfa298> yes, even to different channels on the same output
[12:09] <mfa298> So I've also had vfo-a to speaker-L and vfo-b to speaker-R when monitoring a couple of repeaters (or similar)
[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> use VAC for that worth the $25
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[12:10] <amell> jess: can you distinguish between 56 and 57?
[12:10] <mattbrejza> if anyone was bored of fldigi and wanted to try something else: http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mfb2g09/decoder/decoder.jar
[12:11] <Jess--> when they both transmit at the same time 56 wipes 57 to me (about 3 times stronger)
[12:11] <amell> bsis is going to go high.
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[12:11] <amell> would not be surprised if it makes 40K
[12:12] <mfa298> you've not been writing more Java have you mattbrejza
[12:12] <mattbrejza> such java
[12:12] <mattbrejza> much decoding
[12:12] <jonsowman> very jvm
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[12:13] <mattbrejza> might even run on a rpi...
[12:13] <mfa298> I see it appears to have a few new features on it (unfortunately I don't have much radio with me to test)
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[12:13] <mattbrejza> two mystery buttons have appeared
[12:14] <mfa298> I'm still meaning to test the more recent USB sound card I've got on the Pi to then try your decoder. My tests a year or so ago looked like it might work but the USB bus kept resetting.
[12:14] <cm13g09-work> Afternoon mfa298
[12:15] <mfa298> I also want to test your decoder and dl-fldigi on the Banana Pi but I need to make that boot into something useable first
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[12:15] <mfa298> afternoon cm13g09-work
[12:16] <mattbrejza> mystery buttons will be revealed next week or so but i wanted to check it actually works on a selection of pcs first
[12:16] <mfa298> well I can load it up and click buttons without crashing so that's a start
[12:17] <mattbrejza> sounds good
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[12:21] <sam_> bsis_james - how far away are you from the balloon?
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[12:22] <bsis_james> sam_: we're near mildenhall, chasing under it.
[12:23] <sam_> Ah, I don't think the map is updating your position correctly.
[12:23] <mfa298> mattbrejza: I don't think I'm appearing on the map and it doesn't save those settings although that might be by design at present.
[12:23] <mattbrejza> youll only appear after you decode a sentence
[12:24] <mfa298> ah ok. That might take a while with no radio connected to this system.
[12:24] <sam_> Oh, how long has it been since you've decoded a sentence bsis_james?
[12:25] <MightyMik> are the Bs finally out of sync w/ each other?
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[12:28] <bsis_james> sam_: We've lost signal from the GPS and we're decoding every 15 seconds.
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[12:35] <mattbrejza> mfa298: btw you windows? and idea what version of java?
[12:36] <mattbrejza> fairly sure last time i 'built' it using java 7 and it wouldnt work with people who had java 6 or something silly like that
[12:36] <G8APZ> MightyMik they are VERY close in frequency, perhaps 20Hz and ticks are less than 1 second apart
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[12:37] <amell> bsis_james: what transmitter are you using? its drifting quite a bit.
[12:37] <mattbrejza> ntx2 old school
[12:37] <MightyMik> for a while, it looked like B-56 could transmit in the clear, and then 57 would take a turn
[12:37] <bsis_james> amell: We're using an NTX2 transmitter.
[12:38] <mfa298> mattbrejza: ubuntu 14.04 at this time
[12:38] <MightyMik> 57 transmitting while 56 beeping
[12:38] <mfa298> java version "1.7.0_55"
[12:38] <mfa298> (openjdk)
[12:39] <mattbrejza> ah right
[12:39] <amell> uh oh, is BSIS floating?
[12:39] <mattbrejza> nice to see it working on linux
[12:39] <mattbrejza> do you have an audio input? is the waterfall doing something?
[12:39] <mfa298> I can probably try windows xp/7/8 this evening (some are virtualised)
[12:39] <mattbrejza> dont worry too much, it works on my various win7/8 pcs
[12:39] <mfa298> currently no audio input but it listed various audio devices
[12:40] <mattbrejza> was the waterfall displaying noise?
[12:40] <amell> oh i see. no gps, so it looks like its floating.
[12:40] <mfa298> might be able to manage a stereo mix style thing (/me fires up spotify)
[12:40] <mattbrejza> rather than being a grey space
[12:40] <bsis_james> amell: No, we've just lost GPS and dead reckoning has stopped.
[12:40] <amell> bsis_james: is GPS in flight mode?
[12:41] <mattbrejza> if it cant open an audio device it just says 'new label' at the bottom (helpfully oc)
[12:41] <bsis_james> amell: Yes, it went above the standard mode altitude and it was still working we're presuming that it's just lost signal.
[12:42] <fsphil> right bunch of weird flights today
[12:42] <fsphil> 56 going up, 57 coming down, BSIS having gps trouble?
[12:42] <amell> fsphil: thats about the gist of it.
[12:43] <amell> fsphil: and its all happening in my backyard lol
[12:43] <G8APZ> B-57 only 0.2 elev here but B-56 now very loud!!
[12:43] <mfa298> mattbrejza: hmmm, well cant get a stereo mix type thing but it is showing some stuff on the waterfall :)
[12:43] <mattbrejza> cool thats all i wanted :)
[12:43] <jededu> Is b56 contestia
[12:43] <bsis_james> fsphil: GPS trouble, is it possible that the reciever is too cold, considering the fact that the antenna's externally mounted.
[12:43] <amell> y 8/250
[12:43] <mattbrejza> its displaying a whole load of zero input but thats still somethung
[12:43] <jededu> thx
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[12:43] <mattbrejza> seems the gps is giving time though so should start working on the way down
[12:43] <mattbrejza> what gps?
[12:44] <db_g6gzh> mattbrejza: seems to work on Debian with OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea 2.4.7) (7u55-2.4.7-1~deb7u1)
[12:44] <mattbrejza> nice
[12:44] <mattbrejza> thanks
[12:45] <bsis_james> mattbrejza: We're using a max-7.
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[12:45] <mattbrejza> weird
[12:45] <db_g6gzh> due to my window manager I had to start with _JAVA_AWT_WM_NONREPARENTING=1 java -jar decoder.jar
[12:46] <amell> gonna retune and give b56 some love
[12:48] <mattbrejza> all looks good then
[12:48] <mattbrejza> oops
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[12:49] <db_g6gzh> mattbrejza: http://paste.debian.net/104442/
[12:49] <G8APZ> just decoded B-57 at elevation -0.1
[12:50] <mattbrejza> yea dont pay too much attention to that :P
[12:50] <db_g6gzh> OK 8-)
[12:50] <mattbrejza> db_g6gzh: what callsign were you using?
[12:50] <db_g6gzh> G6GZH-J
[12:50] <G8APZ> managing to decode bothe 56 and 57 without tuning
[12:50] <mattbrejza> it sometimes has to try multiple times to upload
[12:51] <amell> G8APZ: how?
[12:51] <mattbrejza> although actually it didnt add you to the recievers list http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/551da0bdba16215cd7fc150db751cd6b7f6f3001fb6d830e03d85d7b4533ee7b
[12:51] <amell> strangely B56 is only sending one sentence each time for me. is it supposed to be two?
[12:52] <db_g6gzh> amell: just one
[12:52] <G8APZ> amell the contestia starts at different times so it gets B57 sometimes and B-56 others... but now 57 is over the horizon I think it will be only 56 from now
[12:52] <mattbrejza> i probably need to update the way it talks to habitat, i think thts been changed since i wrote that
[12:52] <db_g6gzh> not sure why it's different, maybe low battery?
[12:52] <amell> the other Bs sent two, didnt they?
[12:53] <db_g6gzh> mattbrejza: OK, I've not filled in lat/lon etc.
[12:53] <G8APZ> still decoding partials from 57 in the noise!
[12:53] <mattbrejza> it should still show you as a listener in the list
[12:54] <mattbrejza> did you press 'update' after filling in your callsign?
[12:54] <mattbrejza> someone hasnt :P
[12:54] <db_g6gzh> ah
[12:54] <mattbrejza> its probably because two people are trying to upload with the same callsign
[12:54] <amell> who is navrac?
[12:55] <db_g6gzh> that button was "Up..." here
[12:55] <mattbrejza> oh right
[12:55] <mattbrejza> noted, shall make it wider
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[12:57] <G8APZ> Looks like B-57 has that sinking feeling
[12:59] <Maxell> My last red line: $$B-56,476,125720,14061T,52.6072,0.876,4862,9,21,3.86,0.56*9EDE
[12:59] <Maxell> From RevSpace.
[12:59] <db_g6gzh> mattbrejza: screenshot http://stuff.dbrooke.me.uk/dec.png
[12:59] <navrac_work> amell - I am
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[12:59] <mattbrejza> hmm it seems to have decided to use a larger font, how annoying
[12:59] <mattbrejza> well at least it works
[13:00] <amell> navrac_work: b57s final fate rests upon you.
[13:00] <fsphil> write once, run anywhere ... badly
[13:01] <mattbrejza> well at least i didnt write it in c#
[13:01] <mattbrejza> or vb.net
[13:01] <navrac_work> oh dear - not much hope there.. the colinears only a few feet off the ground due to 'planning issues'
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[13:02] <Maxell> Another partial $$B-56,478,130105,140611,52.6144,%.K317,5006,9,17,3.,1,0.5D4ZZN5HK">
[13:03] <mfa298> mattbrejza: the interfaec is looking the same for me on Ubuntu.
[13:03] <Maxell> wait b-56?!
[13:03] <Maxell> holy shit b056
[13:03] <Maxell> adsfasdfasdf
[13:03] <mattbrejza> ill just space things out a bit then
[13:03] <mfa298> I can possibly try fedora later on to see if that does the same or if it's just a debian/ubuntu thing
[13:04] <mattbrejza> na dw, probably the openjvm thing
[13:04] <bsis_james> Is there anybody in the mildenhall area with d.f. aerial that could help us find BSIS?
[13:05] <amell> bsis_james: is steve still with you?
[13:05] <mattbrejza> is there a camera near the gps?
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[13:05] <amell> bsis_james: steve has a df aerial.
[13:05] <bsis_james> No Steve is in the Bury St. Edmunds area but that's it.
[13:06] <bsis_james> mattbrejza: The camera is about 7cm away. It's a GoPro3+
[13:06] <bsis_james> amell: Thanks, we might contact him.
[13:06] <mattbrejza> hmm normally theyre alright
[13:06] Action: amell fancies a gopro.
[13:06] <G8APZ> RF interference from GoCam?
[13:06] <G8APZ> GoPro
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[13:07] <mattbrejza> ive had interference from non shitty cameras before, intend to have tracker and cameras as a different box to completley avoid it
[13:07] <bsis_james> We have an 18 element Yagi aerial but at the moment we are using a 70cm whip.
[13:07] <amell> ok. so you should be able to get a rough bearing with the yagi?
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[13:08] <bsis_james> amell: Yeah we should be able and we will once we think tha balloon has burst.
[13:08] <amell> at least that way you know which way its going
[13:08] <bsis_james> mattbrejza: Would that interference not happen on the ground as well?
[13:08] <amell> why not do it now. make sure you know where it is.
[13:08] <navrac_work> B57 down to 539ft
[13:08] <amell> plenty of people listening to your payload.
[13:09] <mattbrejza> yea but its not always noticeable
[13:09] <mattbrejza> and is good and screwing you over when you like it least
[13:09] <mattbrejza> *good at
[13:10] <amell> bsis_james: it was supposed to change direction to go west, so if you know if it has you can drive in that direction
[13:10] <navrac_work> b57 293ft - I dont think it can recover from this!
[13:11] <amell> navrac_work: 293m
[13:11] <G8APZ> probably not
[13:11] <navrac_work> oh yes true!
[13:11] <G8APZ> it's a wonder that sibot didn't comment on that!!
[13:11] <amell> has sibot sadly passed?
[13:11] <navrac_work> it knows better than to take me on
[13:12] <mfa298> amell: sibot may have got upset by the amount of abuse it was getting
[13:12] <amell> justified abuse imo
[13:12] <daveake> Well fix it
[13:14] <amell> bsis_james: its getting louder for me, Im wondering if its coming back towards elsworth now.
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[13:17] <amell> pretty severe freq variation
[13:17] <amell> dlfldigi is only just managing to keep up with it
[13:18] <iain_g4sgx> Hi Guys, nice flypast for B56 for me.. I hear theres a new Dl-Fldigi out. Has the windows GPS reading problem been fixed?
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[13:21] <PE2G> GA, what's the dial for BSIS pls?
[13:21] <db_g6gzh> amell: if you think that's drifty you presumably haven't received an RFM22B 8-)
[13:22] <db_g6gzh> PE2G: 434.651 ish
[13:23] <sam_> Yes, it is 434.650 but I think it floats a bit higher
[13:24] <db_g6gzh> however GPS is not locked so position is not updating
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[13:25] <PE2G> db_g6gzh: Thanks
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[13:29] <PE2G> Is BSIS quite weak? No trace here.
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[13:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> Sadly loosing BSIS here.
[13:31] <an112_> Whats BSIS's freq?
[13:32] <mattbrejza> 650
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[13:33] <an112_> tys
[13:37] <mattbrejza> probably about 6-7km currently
[13:37] <G8APZ> I think the odds are that BSIS is close to B-56 and that may mean it's about to go out to sea
[13:39] <G8APZ> amell 56 only sends one block of telem ... forgot to reply to your question
[13:40] <mattbrejza> i doubt bsis will land in the sea
[13:40] <mattbrejza> wait for it to land then drive along the potential landing positions until you hear it, then df
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[13:48] <jededu> just lost BSIS
[13:48] <mattbrejza> where are you on the map?
[13:49] <mattbrejza> can probably work out how high it is
[13:49] <mattbrejza> id say 2-3km perhaps
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[13:50] <db_g6gzh> my last partial began $$BSIS,703,13:46:13 and as it was probably close I'd say less than 1km at that time
[13:50] <SM5OCI> What happened to B-56 last night? Did it go down and get stuck in a tree during the night?
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[13:53] <db_g6gzh> SM5OCI: something like that, my receiver was on all night
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[13:54] <SM5OCI> db_g6gzh: Ok. I thought maybe someone found it and released it manually.
[13:55] <db_g6gzh> not that we know of
[13:55] <SM5OCI> Looks like B-56 might pass Sweden. Lt see if i can hear it, like, tomorrow.
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[13:56] <db_g6gzh> the battery doesn't seem to be charging so maybe the solar panels are damaged
[13:57] <SM5OCI> db_g6gzh: Pity.
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[13:58] <db_g6gzh> they don't seem to be giving as high a voltage as B-57 had
[13:59] <JWP> Hi, i am trying to receive the B-56, do i need additional settings on the SDR# program side? (Shift, AGC?) See screenshot >> http://i.imgur.com/as0yUtp.png
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[14:00] <db_g6gzh> JWP: in dl-fldigi click the RxID button top right
[14:01] <db_g6gzh> that will cause it to auto select Contestia at the next transmission
[14:01] <JWP> Ok, that's it?
[14:01] <JWP> Ok
[14:01] <db_g6gzh> might not be everything ...
[14:02] <aadamson> JWP, if you dongle supports it, click the correct IQ or move the red line off the center point and adjust the frequency
[14:02] <aadamson> that center point on the RTL dongles is from the dongle and you won't be able to RX directly on it. The funcube can correct for that if that is what you are using
[14:02] <db_g6gzh> I'm not familiar with SDR# so can't comment so much on that part
[14:03] <aadamson> I'm not sure if that is the LO on the RX or what it is, but I know on RTL dongles that you can't RX on that point, you need to move off it and adjust the frequency
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[14:05] <Maxell> SURFnet \o/ http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3556926454
[14:07] <JWP> As far as i found, dl-fldigi doesn't support the RTL dongle i use, so i use SDR# and some virtual sound card to get it into dl-fldigi. The sound is fine btw. I will follow http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker if it is in range
[14:09] <mattbrejza> Maxell: 270 up? pfft http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3556937454
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[14:15] <bsis_james> BSIS has landed but we can't find it. We can get a rough DF with the Yagi but has anyone else got a DF fix?
[14:20] <myself> time to activate the acoustic beeper and use the sophisticated audio DF equipment built into your skull... :)
[14:21] <mattbrejza> well at least you can hear it
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[14:27] <Maxell> mattbrejza: christ! UK has interwebz?
[14:28] <mattbrejza> it has many interwebs
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[14:43] <jiffe98> never heard from b55 again eh?
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[14:50] <Laurenceb__> moment of truth
[14:50] <Laurenceb__> with b-56 pop
[15:00] <Upu> B-56 take off again ?
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[15:02] <Upu> whats going on with BSIS ?
[15:08] <amell> bsis_james: im back again, did the gps lock back on at all?
[15:08] <amell> upu: gps loss at 21km, never regained it as far as i know
[15:09] <Upu> bugger
[15:10] <amell> bsis_james: how do you know its landed?
[15:10] <Upu> it won't have landed yet
[15:10] <amell> db_g6gzh: what was your last partial?
[15:10] <Upu> was still going up 20 mins ago
[15:10] <amell> i cant hear it at all here.
[15:11] <Upu> what frequency was it on ?
[15:11] <amell> Upu: how do you actually know its going up?
[15:11] <amell> 434.650
[15:11] <mattbrejza> UTC/BST Upu
[15:11] <amell> with a bit of wander
[15:11] <mattbrejza> its down
[15:11] <Upu> ah sorry
[15:11] <Upu> well yes DF finding with the yagi
[15:11] <amell> i seem to have lost it at sentence 700
[15:11] <Upu> but good luck
[15:12] <amell> upu: gopro3 in the box :(
[15:12] <Upu> ouch
[15:12] <amell> at least it was well labelled.
[15:12] <Upu> just need to take a deep breath
[15:12] <Upu> get a map
[15:12] <Upu> and get three points around it
[15:13] <amell> yup. but i dont know where they are. bsis_james: where do you think it is?
[15:13] <mattbrejza> lucky its summer (lots of light) and dry
[15:14] <amell> if its landed where the prediction says now, its in a forest. and ive been there, its thick
[15:14] <db_g6gzh> amell: 14:50 < db_g6gzh> my last partial began $$BSIS,703,13:46:13 and as it was probably close I'd say less than 1km at that time
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[15:14] <db_g6gzh> the rest looked OK but was same position as before
[15:14] <mattbrejza> well the last place itll probably be is where it was predicted to land 1hr into the flight :P
[15:15] <amell> db_g6gzh: where are you though? cant see you on map
[15:15] <db_g6gzh> near March
[15:15] <amell> ah found you
[15:15] <amell> thats a lot further than 1km
[15:16] <db_g6gzh> so not too far from where is is likely to have been
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[15:16] <db_g6gzh> I meant < 1km altitude
[15:16] <amell> you lost at sentence 703, and i lost it at sentence 700, with my crappy antenna. i guess we cant infer anything from that
[15:16] <db_g6gzh> as I can usually decode down to that across the fens
[15:17] <amell> i am wondering if they can actually hear it with the yagi
[15:18] <amell> Upu: you missed all the fun earlier. i had b56,b57 and bsis all fly within 10km.
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[15:22] <amell> just noticed B56 is now transmitting two sentences, it was only doing one this morning.
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[15:22] <amell> receiving loud and clear at 257km with 1.2 ele (and no habamp!)
[15:23] <aadamson> amell, I believe it uses some logic based upon solar voltage and perhaps battery voltage to determine frequency and interval of packets. Part of it's logic to maximize it's energy usage
[15:24] <amell> yeah, didnt it have some concept of night and day too.
[15:25] <aadamson> night = no solar volts, day = voltage so yes I'm sure it has logic to determine night and day energy profiles
[15:25] <aadamson> will be interesting to watch the battery voltage, the solar is reading an appropritate value, but the battery doesn't see to be gaining volts so maybe some damage to the solar array on the landing/takeoff
[15:26] <amell> fsphil: how about a modified habrotate to point a telescope? :)
[15:26] <DL7AD> ah B-56 took a dip too
[15:27] <amell> or a float?
[15:27] <DL7AD> i think it floats
[15:28] <db_g6gzh> on B-57 the solar was above 0.6V when it was charging and B-56 is only just getting up to that
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[15:28] <DL7AD> B-56 is mightly damaged
[15:30] <db_g6gzh> I think the panels are quite fragile and have likely been dragged along the ground or a tree overnight
[15:31] <DL7AD> agree
[15:37] <PE2G> Then again, it's nice to finally have a B flight within reception range :)
[15:38] <PE2G> It's been a while.
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[15:54] <amell> impressed with contesia. B56 at 294km and 0.7 and its still decoding through the noise.
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[16:01] <DJ3AK> $$B-56,570,155941,140611,52.6319,4.3171,10511,10,-8,3.83,0.55*A2EF
[16:03] <PE2G> DJ3AK: Very nice indeed, you're still outside the radio horizon
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[16:05] <DJ3AK> yes, B-56 is still about 420km from me and performing very nicely :-)
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[16:14] <G8APZ> Any news on DF'ing BSIS ??
[16:14] <DJ3AK> PE2G did you also receive strange chirps after B-55 did stop to transmit porper data wand disappeared close to the French/Swiss border?
[16:14] <jededu> ping upu
[16:15] <amell> bsis_james: whats the latest?
[16:15] <Upu> hi jededu
[16:15] <jededu> upu pm
[16:15] <G8APZ> if BSIS is audible to chase team, three triangulation points a mile or so apart should be enough to home in, providing the map is good detail and sight lines can be drawn on a map
[16:16] <amell> yeah. i hope they havnt given up.
[16:16] <amell> i could hear it on the ground at elsworth before it took off and i am 2 miles from the launch site.
[16:17] <amell> so they should be able to hear it in a radius of 6 miles or so.
[16:17] <G8APZ> a compass is handy too to orientate the map, or else use known points like churches to orientate the map
[16:18] <PE2G> DJ3AK: I didn't monitor B-55, alas.
[16:19] <amell> damn, still decoding b-56 crossing into holland at 326km
[16:19] <G8APZ> Welcome to Holland B-56
[16:20] <G8APZ> that's good going amell! Have you got the antenna outside now?
[16:22] <DJ3AK> PE2G ah, yes, it was last evening, when I received this for hours. Direction was towards Frankfurt and weak, No decode. Just running through resetting or so and giving 3 or 4 chirps, then silence for a while and repeating.
[16:23] <G8APZ> DJ3AK The usual process when battery is dying!
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[16:24] <DJ3AK> G8APZ well, yes maybe it was B-55
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[16:25] <PE2G> DJ3AK: At what time was that? I listened at around 19:15 UTC and didn't receive anything.
[16:26] <G8APZ> DJ3AK I think B-56 launched late evening, and then went to ground for the night... woke up and took off again after a sleep!
[16:26] <G8APZ> It must therefore have been B-55
[16:27] <DJ3AK> PE2G at 19:00 UTC it was 190 degrees from me and weak, at 20:00 UTC it was about 200 degrees and louder.
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[16:29] <db_g6gzh> looks like B-56 spent the night right alongside the A14 from the log entries Leo uploaded 52.36516,-0.44174 so my guess was about right
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[16:31] <G8APZ> lucky to have been able to take off again
[16:32] <arko> never doubt the B
[16:34] <db_g6gzh> having been stuck at the side of the A14 for a few hours myself I can say it's no fun
[16:36] <amell> b-56 at 346km. nothing wrong with my aerial.
[16:37] <amell> G8APZ: no, aerial is still in the loft.
[16:37] <G8APZ> my fldigi is only showing 215km to B-56
[16:37] <Ian_> Is that you using your RTL Dongle amell?
[16:37] <amell> yep. shitty £7 rtl dongle and loft mounted aerial
[16:38] <amell> 351km.
[16:38] <Ian_> Not doing so bad then, after all. FB :)
[16:38] <G8APZ> amell just think what it would do when above rooftop clutter and attenuation of the tiles
[16:39] <G8APZ> for £7 you really cannot knock it!
[16:39] <amell> mind the signal is barely discernible. contesia saves the day.
[16:39] <amell> i doubt it would receive it if it was rtty
[16:40] <G8APZ> I'll be losing B-56 soon.... need some others over in PA land to join jijdaar
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[16:45] <amell> i know the bit of a-14 that b56 spent the night at. its a hedge at the road side. i guess it got caught there.
[16:46] <amell> uh uh. my first partial decode of B-56 - last good at 356.7km 0.1
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[16:51] <PE2G> G8APZ: jijdaar is on the roof of the met-office building :)
[16:52] <amell> i think ive lost it now, the last two were partial.
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[16:52] <G8APZ> PE2G That's useful!
[16:53] <amell> yay! 372km -0.1 was green
[16:54] <G8APZ> I think fldigi has a problem at my end... only showing 215.4km which is almost certainly wrong.... I'm about same distance as amell
[16:54] <amell> have you selected the right balloon?
[16:55] <amell> i wonder if you have b-57 selected.
[16:55] <G8APZ> ah yes... that's the problem!! Thanks!
[16:56] <amell> whats your numbers now?
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[16:56] <g8fjg_ron> still hear it but no decode..through houses now..not my best direction :-(
[16:56] <amell> 377km for me
[16:57] <amell> on sentence 600
[16:57] <G8APZ> amell now 369.1km and -0.0 elev
[16:57] <G8APZ> same sentence
[16:58] <Maxell> 100.9 kilometers, 5.5 degrees. No problems at all!
[16:59] <G8APZ> It will go soon... I'm right on the blue ring
[17:01] <G8APZ> M0ION seems to have FLDigi set up with wrong location
[17:02] <G8APZ> 374.2km and -0.1
[17:02] <SpeedEvil> Negatives can happen
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> Especially with elevated antenna and sea in between
[17:04] <G8APZ> 379.4km -0.1
[17:05] <G8APZ> SpeedEvil yes.. quite often some additional refraction on sea paths
[17:06] <G8APZ> remarkable frequency stability on the last 2 B-** flights
[17:06] <G8APZ> have not had to chase the signals at all
[17:07] <g8fjg_ron> got green @389.8 ..-0.2 bit of aircraft reflection ? or super refraction? bit high for that though!
[17:08] <G8APZ> 384.6km -0.2
[17:09] <G8APZ> refraction over sea and very shallow angle to horizon
[17:09] <g8fjg_ron> I really think I'm busted now ..antenna elevated to 15deg..looking for AS, last good one 604
[17:10] <G8APZ> it's on 607 next
[17:11] <G8APZ> no elev required when it is over horizon
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[17:11] <G8APZ> 608 now
[17:12] <G8APZ> 389.8km -0.2
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[17:12] <G8APZ> might JUST make 400 clicks!
[17:12] <g8fjg_ron> trying over roof for AS! antenna only 10 ft agl
[17:12] <G8APZ> have you tried AirScout?
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[17:14] <g8fjg_ron> yep, got air scout... just got a partial, hard drive failed monday , just cloned it this afternoon ,fingers crossed good so far..
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[17:15] <Maxell> craag: does your habmap have the option to filter one balloon?
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[17:15] <G8APZ> 395.1km -0.3
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[17:16] <mfa298> Maxell: it can, I think in the same way as snus
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[17:17] <amell> looks like i pooped out at 377km. nothing left.
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[17:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> i was trying do upload data extracted from log for sp9uob-pico but something went wrong :-( can someone please fix it :) ?
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[17:19] <db_g6gzh> Maxell: it's slightly different to snus, try e.g. http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?vehicles=B-56
[17:19] <g8fjg_ron> APZ nice one !!rely on pc for tracking antenna, control of receivers, and decoding,
[17:19] <G8APZ> 400.3km -0.3
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[17:20] <G8APZ> I'll surely lose it soon!
[17:20] <g8fjg_ron> I was deaf, dumb and blind for a day,,,can't even hear the ticks now
[17:21] Nick change: Burnin8 -> Burninate
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[17:25] <G8APZ> 405.5km -0.4
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[17:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> Hi Leo :-)
[17:26] <G8APZ> 410km -0.4
[17:27] <g8fjg_ron> APZ ..................thats just show-boating!
[17:27] <chris_4x1rf> SP9UOB-Tom: will send you the link to the SP9UOB audio recording as soon as the dropbox upload will finish
[17:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> chris_4x1rf: cool, i was trying to upload log positions received by You, but i have broke the map :-(
[17:28] <G8APZ> yeah right!! surprising with just a Diamond X-50
[17:29] <g8fjg_ron> Its a pity my antenna up the stick are all H pol
[17:30] <G8APZ> g8fjg_ron yes.. I took my 70cm yagi down and put the white stick up!
[17:30] <chris_4x1rf> SP9UOB-Tom: ok, looking forward to the map update
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[17:30] <G8APZ> 415.9km -0.4 how long can this last!!
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[17:32] <G8APZ> I think I'm about to find out.... pips very weak
[17:32] <PE4FD> Yays ^_^ First time I'm on the tracker
[17:33] <PE4FD> *feeling useful*
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:34] <chris_4x1rf> SP9UOB-Tom: still can't believe my luck to get those partials decodes yesterday just before battery went low around 16:49z, it was about 770km away from here :-)
[17:34] <G8APZ> 421.1km -0.5
[17:34] <G8APZ> ridiculous, I can barely hear it!!
[17:35] <amell> habamp now on. contesia vaguely there but not decoding.
[17:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> chris_4x1rf: propably plane scatter :-)
[17:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> chris_4x1rf: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=908198655872564&set=pb.100000473142757.-2207520000.1402508145.&type=3&theater
[17:36] <G8APZ> Right... I'm off to make some dinner.... Bon Voyage B-56
[17:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> chris_4x1rf: that toy was almost over Your head :-)
[17:37] <chris_4x1rf> SP9UOB-Tom: yes, but at that time it was still asleep
[17:37] <arko> SP9UOB-Tom: great flight!
[17:38] <G8APZ> 426.2km -0.5
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[17:39] <chris_4x1rf> SP9UOB-Tom: wow! Thanks! Better than a QSL card :-)
[17:39] <chris_4x1rf> SP9UOB-Tom: what battery did you use?
[17:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> chris_4x1rf: if You want a QSL for Yours SWL report - no problem :-)
[17:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> chris_4x1rf: NiMH accu - it is not really good in low temperatures
[17:42] <chris_4x1rf> SP9UOB-Tom: not really into collecting cards but this is special so I may send you a SASE
[17:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> chris_4x1rf: want DIRECT? no problem, you dont have to send a SASE - is Your postal address on QRZ.com ?
[17:44] <chris_4x1rf> SP9UOB-Tom: yes, I'm good there... Thanks!!!
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[18:00] <chris_4x1rf> SP9UOB-Tom: mail sent
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[18:05] <tweetBot> @BoltonSchTech: How are we going to get THAT down?
[18:05] <tweetBot> #BSIS
[18:05] <tweetBot> #UKHAS http://t.co/UsWwFKpn6M
[18:07] <cm13g09> I think at this point I should comment "What goes up, doesn't *always* come back down."
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[18:11] <Maxell> cm13g09: rofl
[18:12] <G8APZ> Lost B-56 at 431.5km -0.6
[18:12] <Maxell> mfa298: db_g6gzh: thanks guys!
[18:13] <amell> nice
[18:13] <G8APZ> Need a lopping pole!
[18:13] <bertrik> What are the parameters for BSIS?
[18:13] <G8APZ> so BSIS has been found at least!
[18:13] <amell> i thought 377km was pretty good for a loft mount, no amp.
[18:14] <G8APZ> yes... very good
[18:14] <amell> BSIS found? i dont think so.
[18:14] <G8APZ> what is that pic in the 19:05 message?
[18:15] <cm13g09> Maxell: well..... it was asking for that :P
[18:15] <amell> Oh, so they did find it. wow
[18:15] <amell> you use a ladder and a lopper pole
[18:16] <amell> any idea where they are? I have one.
[18:16] <amell> https://twitter.com/BoltonSchTech/status/476786959449616386/photo/1 looks perfectly reachable
[18:17] <Maxell> Jump!
[18:17] <arko> or a stick
[18:17] <amell> that was very lucky.
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[18:18] <Maxell> yes
[18:19] <Maxell> arko: Piñata?
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[18:19] <Maxell> "gopro3 in the box :(" piñata with some nice loot
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[18:24] <fsphil> oh BSIS was found
[18:24] <fsphil> that was lucky
[18:24] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: hi, can You repair map :)?
[18:25] <fsphil> ah the old log shenanigans
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[18:26] <arko> how the heck did they find it?
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[18:34] <lz1dev> arko: we prayed to the hab gods, to return it
[18:35] <arko> they aren't very loving gods, you should feel fortunate
[18:36] <amell> arko, they had an 18 ele yagi. assume they triangulated.
[18:36] <lz1dev> idd, they don't ask for much either
[18:36] <amell> it looks like it was about 2-3 miles from where it was predicted to land.
[18:36] <arko> lz1dev: haha
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[18:37] <amell> Rocketboy: did you help them find it?
[18:37] <lz1dev> after all, they just require the casual sacrifice of a newborn
[18:37] <lz1dev> so yeh, not very loving
[18:38] <RocketBoy> amell: nope - my internet went wonky so went home rather than chase
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[18:38] <amell> Im amazed they found it.
[18:39] <RocketBoy> me too - just dfing
[18:39] <RocketBoy> ?
[18:39] <amell> apparently so. The GPS never got a lock again.
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[18:39] <RocketBoy> old school recovery
[18:39] <amell> maybe it did lock but didnt upload to map. will have to ask them what happened.
[18:42] <fsphil> fixed that bad point on SP9UOB
[18:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: and another one is out-of order - can You fix it please?
[18:43] <fsphil> which one
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[18:43] <fsphil> ?
[18:43] <fsphil> is that last point not the actual last point?
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[18:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> yes, it should be in the middle - dont know how to explain
[18:44] <amell> your point being?
[18:44] <fsphil> my point is floating
[18:45] <amell> lets get to the point
[18:45] <fsphil> stop trying to divide the channel
[18:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> point in Lybia should be before that in Ehypt
[18:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> Egypt
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[18:48] <fsphil> SP9UOB-Tom: done now
[18:49] <fsphil> can you include a date next time? lemme check what the field should be
[18:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> also i have more points from backlog, how can i put them on the map
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[18:50] <fsphil> how are you doing it now?
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[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[19:17] <Reb-SM3ULC> so it seems
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[19:28] <nats`> good evening looners !
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[19:40] <DL7AD> evening
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[19:40] <ProSpectre> evening all
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[19:53] <amell> SP9UOB-Tom: I think the map backlog has gone wonky again
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[20:33] <PE2G> B-56 losing freq stability
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[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> hi PE2G
[20:34] <PE2G> Hi Lunar
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[20:37] <PE2G> Drifting up and down with ~100 Hz/min
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[20:38] <PE2G> Internal temp has dropped considerably
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:39] <fsphil> slightly off topic, but blitzortung.org has a cool new live map: http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&subpage_0=12
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> how did you experience this week's thunderstorms?
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[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> cool fsphil thanks
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[20:41] <PE2G> fsphil: Nice!
[20:41] <fsphil> I really need to get my receiver working
[20:42] <PE2G> Lunar_Lander: I was in Steinfurt NRW on monday
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I can imagine what you saw
[20:42] <PE2G> A large CB to the west in the afternoon
[20:43] <PE2G> At night an unbelievable lightning show
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[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> I saw that
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> and then the power cut out for a few minutes
[20:44] <PE2G> Frightening almost
[20:44] <fsphil> night storms are the best
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[20:44] <fsphil> and very rare here
[20:45] <PE2G> This was an extraordinary event
[20:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil im thinking wargames, when looking at that map :-)
[20:45] <SA6BSS> :)
[20:46] <PaulCDR> good evening folks, i was here at the tail end of last year and got some great advice on building a tracker but the weather beat us and didnt launch. we are organised again and hoping to launch this weekend. i was hoping someone could send me the link to apply for getting the launch details uploaded for the live tracker
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> "the only winning move is not to play."
[20:46] <fsphil> hah
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[20:47] <Reb-SM3ULC> PE2G: i saw the lightning on the trackers ,had a small local one here.. i was just crazy om the tracking system...
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> what do the detectors measure?
[20:47] <fsphil> PaulCDR: http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> 500 kHz radio?
[20:47] <fsphil> VLF, 0-20khz
[20:47] <PaulCDR> thats the one, cheers
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> saw a lightning storm warner that picked up 500 kHz and then turned on green, yellow, red LEDs on some threshold
[20:48] <fsphil> yea a lightning strike puts out energy on many frequencies
[20:48] <fsphil> even VHF
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:48] <Maxell> uhf I teel you
[20:49] <fsphil> and certainly thz :)
[20:49] <Maxell> rtl-sdr on dedicated HABamp+70cm pics up lighting
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:49] <Maxell> it's scary
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> the new "c't Hacks" issue has an article on RTL-SDR
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> and tesla coils
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> and a DVD spectrometer
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[20:50] <PE2G> Lightning slomo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuWl54c3owk#t=12
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[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> poor cows
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[20:53] <Laurenceb_> the B-56 song
[20:53] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GERQLNAWpt8
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> thanks for sharing PE2G
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[21:09] <PaulCDR> i have created the payload docs, does it now need approved? who do i need to ask to do that?
[21:09] <fsphil> i think the gps that comes with this lightning detector is a lassen. taking aaaaages to lock
[21:10] <fsphil> PaulCDR: the payload doc doesn't need approved, the flight doc does though
[21:10] <fsphil> but make sure your payload doc is working first
[21:10] <Upu> yeah want to see it on the map first pls
[21:10] <fsphil> try receiving telemetry in dl-fldigi and see if it appears on the map
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[21:11] <ak4rp> hi, while we are at it, could you approve a flight doc for me please?
[21:12] <ak4rp> flight is named MRC launch 1 (hash f9bdb1&)
[21:12] <Upu> can I see it on Spacenear.us ?
[21:13] <Upu> not being awkward its much easier to fix issues at this point
[21:13] <ak4rp> it has appeared there already
[21:13] <Upu> oh yes I think I saw it
[21:13] <Upu> when is the launch ?
[21:13] <ak4rp> Friday AM
[21:14] <Upu> approved have a good launch and remember to mail the UKHAS mailing list with details
[21:14] <ak4rp> thank you!
[21:14] <Upu> The Slovaks will be able to recieve that I suspect
[21:15] <ak4rp> I hope so, its going to go up to 35k
[21:17] <ak4rp> but well try to get some Hungarians to listen to it, too. Hopefully we can get people familiarize themselves with the nice trcking infrastructure.
[21:17] <PaulCDR> sorry for the stupid question at this point in the game but how do i send the data to the maps?
[21:18] <Upu> recieve it in dl-fldigi
[21:18] <Upu> if it decodes sucessfully it should upload
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[21:18] <Upu> we can then ascertain why its not appearing on the map if it doesn't appear
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[21:20] <PaulCDR> yeah, im getting "Warning! cant upload! either in offline mode or your call sign is not set, im getting a good green decode in fldigi
[21:20] <PaulCDR> oh, i have set it now
[21:20] <fsphil> the message gives it away :)
[21:21] <PaulCDR> upload successful
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[21:24] <Upu> whats the payload name ?
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[21:24] <Upu> snus is very busy atm
[21:24] <Upu> PaulCD
[21:24] <PaulCDR> Its PaulCD
[21:24] <Upu> no lock
[21:25] <Upu> "satellites": 47626
[21:25] <PaulCDR> yeah, im in doors, it comes and goes, going to put it outside here
[21:25] <Upu> interesting :)
[21:25] <Maxell> sick gps reciever
[21:25] <Maxell> :P
[21:26] <Upu> when is the launch ?
[21:26] <PaulCDR> yeah one of them new fangled receivers, sees shed loads of sats :)
[21:26] <PaulCDR> planning on this weekend, but just found out the He might not be available to next week
[21:26] <Upu> get it on the map and i'll be happy, then post the flight doc id and I'll approve in the morning
[21:26] <Upu> got a NOTAM ?
[21:27] <PaulCDR> NOTAM?
[21:27] <Upu> permission to launch from the CAA ?
[21:27] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:restrictions_legality
[21:27] <PaulCDR> oh yeah, yes we have, the other guy handled that. we have the 4 weeks of june
[21:28] <Upu> ok cool
[21:28] <Upu> leave it with you I'm having an early night
[21:28] <PaulCDR> cool, cheers
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[21:29] <Maxell> payload any gps lock? Not on the map yet
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[21:29] <PaulCDR> nah, its away. im away here to put it outside here see what i can get
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[21:39] <PaulCDR> Maxell, getting something on the map now, but looks like something is not right, dont think im at 55km high just yet
[21:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its what your sending! "$$PaulCD,23,21:39:47,54.46971,-06.33247,589879,47626*72CE\n"
[21:41] <fsphil> it may not have enough satellites locked yet
[21:41] <PaulCDR> 47626 not enough?
[21:41] <fsphil> that's a sign of a bug somewhere :)
[21:42] <PaulCDR> yeah, looks like you are right,
[21:43] <cm13g09> fsphil: if you're Micrsoft, it's called a feature....
[21:43] <PaulCDR> or apple, you are not using it right
[21:43] <cm13g09> lol, yeah
[21:43] <fsphil> -41164695843 seconds remaining
[21:44] <fsphil> that bug remaining in windows for decades
[21:44] <Laurenceb_> calling linux gurus
[21:44] <PaulCDR> i have built a career on microsofts "features" so i cant complain
[21:44] <Laurenceb_> i have an issue with grep, its just outputting the entire file i pass it
[21:44] <Reb-SM3ULC> Laurenceb_: paste?
[21:44] <Laurenceb_> grep '916.' "2014-06-03"
[21:45] <cm13g09> . matches any character
[21:45] <Laurenceb_> the data string is the name of the file
[21:45] <Laurenceb_> ah
[21:45] <cm13g09> you probably want \.
[21:45] Action: cm13g09 has been wielding regexs recently
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[21:47] <Laurenceb_> how can i make grep output the line number for each match?
[21:47] <cm13g09> -n flag
[21:48] <cm13g09> Laurenceb_: sorry if I'm coming across short tonight
[21:48] <Laurenceb_> ok thanks
[21:48] <cm13g09> it's been a long day
[21:48] <lz1dev> -n would give you the line number in the file
[21:48] <Laurenceb_> ok got it
[21:48] <cm13g09> (and I'm pretty grumpy about a couple of things)
[21:49] <Laurenceb_> and how can i force it to output x lines after each match?
[21:49] <lz1dev> -A -B
[21:49] <lz1dev> iirc
[21:49] <cm13g09> Laurenceb_: look at the -A/-B/-C options
[21:49] <Laurenceb_> ok
[21:49] <cm13g09> -A = After, -B = before, -C = context
[21:49] <cm13g09> all of them take a number
[21:50] <Laurenceb_> ok
[21:51] <Laurenceb_> hmm almost there..
[21:51] <Laurenceb_> what if i only need the first match?
[21:51] <Reb-SM3ULC> SA6BSS: vaken? any receivers in the southern part of swe?
[21:53] <cm13g09> Laurenceb_: erm... I think there's a count option...
[21:53] <Laurenceb_> aha -m
[21:53] <Laurenceb_> got it now, thanks
[21:53] <cm13g09> yep
[21:53] <cm13g09> I just got there
[21:53] <cm13g09> I don't often use that one
[21:53] <SA6BSS> Im here
[21:54] <SA6BSS> har nog aldrig sett några i södra delen
[21:55] <SA6BSS> det skulle isåfall vara sm7wsj i gnosjö, han brukar bara på
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[21:59] <Reb-SM3ULC> 110 km/h. b56 picking up speed
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[22:09] <PaulCDR> some fun debugging ahead tonight, good night folks
[22:10] <fsphil> g'nite
[22:11] <fsphil> woo, my detector is working
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[22:12] <fsphil> detecting strikes in Georgia
[22:13] <arko> huh?
[22:13] <Laurenceb_> http://www.maxwell.com/products/microelectronics/docs/hsn1000_rev3.pdf
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[22:14] <fsphil> lightning detector arko
[22:14] <arko> how is it possible for you to detect strikes in Georgia?
[22:14] <fsphil> the VLF signal travels a very long distance
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[22:15] <fsphil> I only know where it is because it's triangulated with other detectors
[22:15] <arko> woah!
[22:15] <arko> cool
[22:15] <LazyLeopard> What detector's that?
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[22:16] <fsphil> the sensor just listens for a pulse, and uploads the time it detected it to the server
[22:16] <fsphil> LazyLeopard: blitzortung.org detector
[22:16] <arko> super cool
[22:17] <nats`> fsphil there was a huge amateur project with homemade receiver
[22:17] <nats`> 2 op amp an antenna
[22:17] <nats`> and soundcard
[22:17] <nats`> is it what you use ?
[22:17] <LazyLeopard> fsphil: Right. Been thinking about getting one of those for a while, but this part of the country seems adequately covered at present...
[22:18] <fsphil> nats`: nah it's an atmega644p
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[22:18] <fsphil> the newer boards use an stm32f4
[22:19] <Laurenceb_> boo nothing near B-56
[22:20] <Laurenceb_> i dont see you on the network
[22:20] <fsphil> http://www.lightningmaps.org/blitzortung/europe/index.php?bo_page=statistics&bo_show=station&bo_sid=197&bo_station_id=198&lang=en
[22:20] <Laurenceb_> ah yes
[22:20] <fsphil> I don't seem to appear on the live map very often
[22:20] <fsphil> I guess it just isn't uploading it quickly enough
[22:21] <fsphil> the baud rate is 4800, I can't seem to get it working faster
[22:21] <Laurenceb_> omg
[22:22] <Laurenceb_> pico positioning heaven
[22:22] <Laurenceb_> stick one on a picoballoon
[22:22] <nats`> fsphil I'm surprised they didn't used the technic of the previous amateur network
[22:22] <nats`> let me find the link the antenna design was really clever
[22:23] <nats`> http://members.home.nl/fkooiman/lightning/
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[22:34] <Laurenceb_> see our problem is that gps is too good
[22:35] <Laurenceb_> otherwise we would have to use groovy methods like vlf triangulation
[22:37] <Laurenceb_> fsphil: is there a description of the hardware?
[22:38] <Laurenceb_> http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=pl&page=2
[22:38] <Laurenceb_> ^that?
[22:39] <Laurenceb_> http://www.blitzortung.org/Images/controller_10_3b.png
[22:39] <Laurenceb_> lolz
[22:40] <fsphil> yea it's not pretty
[22:40] <fsphil> I've a much older version
[22:41] <Laurenceb_> discovery is the new arduino
[22:41] <fsphil> you'd think if they're making hardware, just stick the micro on there
[22:41] <Laurenceb_> how big is your antenni?
[22:42] <Darkside> fsphil: probably works out cheaper to use the discovry boards
[22:43] <fsphil> mmm maybe, they are very cheap
[22:43] <bertrik> nats`: that's like an adcock antenna, right?
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[22:51] <Laurenceb_> fsphil: how big is your antenna?
[22:55] <fsphil> it's two ferrite rods
[22:55] <fsphil> each about 30cm long
[22:55] <Laurenceb_> oh magnetic
[22:55] <Laurenceb_> interesting
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[23:10] <SpeedEvil> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=34937.0 - I kinda wish I was in DC
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> They were letting people wander round Dragon 2
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[23:21] <Laurenceb_> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/B-56#g/battery,solar_panel,temperature_internal
[23:21] <Laurenceb_> B-56 might just wake up around midday tomorrow
[23:21] <Laurenceb_> depends on panel temperature and how the battery behaves
[23:21] Action: Laurenceb_ zzz
[23:22] <DL7AD> isnt b56 alive anymore?
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> battery is rapidly dying
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> the panels got damaged when it crashed
[23:22] <DL7AD> i cant receive it from my location
[23:22] Action: Laurenceb_ zz 4 real
[23:22] <DL7AD> yes sure
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> It bounced?
[23:22] <DL7AD> yes
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> Or launch damage
[23:22] <DL7AD> it did
[23:22] <DL7AD> bounces
[23:23] <DL7AD> *d
[23:23] <amell> what was the max output from the panels today?
[23:23] <amell> yeah, first inkling we had that B-56 was still alive was when the local guys like me started hearing two pips
[23:23] <SpeedEvil> Well - the battery voltage going consistently down over the day is not a good thing
[23:23] <amell> that was wierd.
[23:24] <SpeedEvil> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/B-56#g/battery,solar_panel,temperature_internal,altitude
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[23:24] <amell> ok. so it looks like the solar didnt top off the battery.
[23:25] <amell> if theres 4 solar cells, my guess is one broke.
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[23:38] <amell> http://www.inquisitr.com/1292965/nasa-is-working-on-a-warp-drive-ship-and-the-pictures-are-amazing/ - i find this hard to believe.
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[23:58] <DL7AD> okay battery is empty
[23:59] <aadamson> will be interesting to see if once the sun comes out if whats left of the panels can put anything back in the battery.
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