highaltitude.log.20140608

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[06:36] <jcoxon> morning
[06:54] <cm13g09> morning jcoxon
[07:01] <jcoxon> has anyone done a prediction for B-55?
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[07:10] <Upu> don't think we bother with predictions any more jcoxon :)
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[07:25] <SA6BSS> was up in the middle of the night and looked at b-55 and it had an altitude of 5400m so I was supprised it gained altitude later on.
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[07:46] <malclocke> is the snus map supposed to have a scale? it looks from the source like maybe it should, but I don't see one.
[07:48] <lz1dev> don't think it's enabled
[07:48] <lz1dev> the scale indicator is disabled by default, iirc
[07:50] <malclocke> hmm ... I see `map.addControl(new GScaleControl());`
[07:53] <lz1dev> then probably a bug in the API
[07:54] <lz1dev> gmaps v2 has been deprecated
[07:54] <lz1dev> i think currently it translates to v3
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[07:54] <malclocke> is this the blessed repo? https://github.com/akarpenko/spacenear-nosql
[07:54] <jcoxon> does sp9uob have aprs?
[07:55] <jcoxon> snus is very very old
[07:55] <jcoxon> we really should re-write it
[07:55] <jcoxon> but its difficult for people to find the time
[07:56] <lz1dev> the backend can use some refactoring :)
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[08:07] <malgar> I see a payload in hungary. Do you know when it will be launched?
[08:08] <malgar> are there here the launchers?
[08:10] <Reb-SM3ULC> fq for b55?
[08:10] <mfa298> I think the plan is to redo the habhub backend first then look at spacenear.
[08:11] <SA6BSS> 434500700+1420>>
[08:11] <Reb-SM3ULC> tack
[08:14] <SA6BSS> switching over to aprs to se if I can hear b-55on tm
[08:14] <SA6BSS> *2m
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[08:22] <Reb-SM3ULC> SA6BSS: i hear it :)
[08:22] <Reb-SM3ULC> i think
[08:22] <SA6BSS> :)
[08:24] <Reb-SM3ULC> what mode? domex?
[08:25] <Reb-SM3ULC> darn, it was running on old settings
[08:25] <Reb-SM3ULC> now ok i think
[08:26] <SA6BSS> contestia 8/250
[08:27] <Reb-SM3ULC> thanks
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[08:29] <Reb-SM3ULC> got it
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[08:52] <Laurenceb_> B-55 : solar heating, whats that?
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[09:03] <ibanezmatt13> does anybody know of any good ICs for measuring current?
[09:03] <iw0fmt> gm i'm a new entry in the baloon world. which is the best frequency for listen in italy?
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[09:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> morning All
[09:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> LZ hams wake up !
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[09:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> Mprn Brian, how is the polish antenna :) ?
[09:07] <bertrik> iw0fmt: check the map on http://spacenear.us/tracker and follow the ukhas google group to get launch announcements
[09:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi Tom. I havent got it yet. Im fighting city hall for a antenna tower, so right now all antenna work is on standby.
[09:08] <bertrik> iw0fmt: you can probably receive weather balloons too, but I don't know the frequencies. In the netherlands, weather balloons are in the 400-410 MHz range
[09:08] <iw0fmt> tnx bertrik
[09:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> iw0fmt: You can tell hams from southenr part of Italy to listen @144.250 MHz DOMEX16
[09:08] <iw0fmt> on two meters?
[09:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> iw0fmt: yes 144.250 MHz USB (dial frequency)
[09:09] <iw0fmt> ok
[09:10] <chrisstubbs> what kind of current range ibanezmatt13? You can use a resistive shunt and an arduino
[09:10] <ibanezmatt13> well, I'm looking to monitor the voltage across a solar panel, battery and the charge current going to the battery.
[09:10] <ibanezmatt13> this looks good http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/datasheet/2990fc.pdf
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[09:12] <ibanezmatt13> To measure the current, I'd need to add a series resistor on the line charging the battery. The value is only small, about a milli-ohm, so hopefully that won't affect the charging much
[09:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: Argh... local administration. Same problems here
[09:12] <iw0fmt> i'm on spacenar. sp9uob your pico is flying on serbia? is correct?
[09:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> iw0fmt: yes, its actually over Bulgaria, but soon it'll be over Serbia, heading to southeastern coast of Italy
[09:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB-Tom yes its a pain, its allmost 1 year now, since this case started. Now its forwarded to the national planning office. we´ll see what happens.
[09:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: im keeping my fingers crossed
[09:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: good luck!
[09:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB-Tom thanks tom, me too.
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[09:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB-Tom waiting for some 2m ES, so i can track your flight, hi
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[09:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB-Tom MUF over URK been over 150MHz this morning, so lets hope :-)
[09:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> B-55 about to disapear here now
[09:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: thats 3 miliwatts only !
[09:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> your 2m tx?
[09:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: yup
[09:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LeoBodnar your B-55 is doing a very fine job, still decodeing at -0.6deg elev. Thats the best so far for a B-xx
[09:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB-Tom ok yes that is abit low, but with ES i might be possible.
[09:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: on my new QTH im planning to build a decent antennas for VHf/UHF/SHF , so maybe direct ;-)
[09:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what was the loc again tom ?
[09:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: Gliwice, Poland - JO90HG
[09:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB-Tom yes that should be doable with some TR or ES. I have JO90 logged on 6m,2m and 70cm
[09:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have 6m antenna (vertical)
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[09:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB-Tom no ES on 6m here right now
[09:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> also quiet here
[09:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah nice, also got jo90 on 2m FM on a GP. But thats not normal
[09:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> wow ! Iranian radar not anymore transmitting @28 MHz :-)
[09:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> preety much crowd @10m band
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[09:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Yes i read about that radar. I see 31 qso to jo90 in the loc. There is room for one more :-)
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[09:30] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: i've recorded it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG3ZnO4d3m0&list=UUiTOs7cpGHiwUI6EkSgJ73g
[09:30] <malgar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv9Sm8ega7Q the video of ATLANTIS balloon (5th June)
[09:30] <malgar> a bit unfocused unfortunately
[09:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB-Tom S9 what a pain
[09:31] <DL7AD> morning!
[09:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: and f...ing wideband !
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[09:32] <Chris___> GM all
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[09:33] <LeoBodnar> SP9UOB-Tom: what battery did you use?! From your remote? lol
[09:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> malgar very nice video, perfect easy landing spot :-)
[09:35] <malgar> yes :)
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[09:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: heheheh :-) NiMH accu
[09:37] <iw0fmt> sp9uob your pico is landed?
[09:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: just to chech
[09:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> iw0fmt: no, it is still up, but over the reception range
[09:38] <iw0fmt> ok tnx i tried the next flight. bye
[09:38] <malgar> iw0fmt: where are you from?
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[09:38] <iw0fmt> i'm from velletri italy jn61jo
[09:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> iw0fmt: it is reporting also over aprs... but because of bug in code (in compiler really) frames are rejected
[09:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> iw0fmt: dont give up, it should be over Italy in few hours
[09:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB-Tom sent jo90 log via email, maybe you know some of them
[09:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: ok
[09:40] <iw0fmt> i have a question. but if there aren't ground stations to receive the signals we don't know where is the baloon?
[09:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> iw0fmt: we have more or less acurate predictions :-)
[09:41] <malgar> iw0fmt: look at the personal message
[09:41] <LeoBodnar> cooltastico video malgar
[09:41] <malgar> LeoBodnar: ;)
[09:42] <LeoBodnar> did you film the second launch as well?
[09:42] <LeoBodnar> has it been returned?
[09:42] <LeoBodnar> NiCd is probably better SP9UOB-Tom
[09:43] <LeoBodnar> are you charging it in-flight?
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[09:45] <malgar> LeoBodnar: yes but unfortunately we have only the first 10 minutes of flight
[09:45] <malgar> then the camera stopped
[09:45] <malgar> I still don't know why
[09:45] <malgar> but the first 10 minutes are awesome
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[09:56] <daveake> malgar what model camera?
[09:58] <malgar> the cheap canon a1400. But something went wrong with manual focus in chdk
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[09:59] <malgar> the second launch has been much better
[09:59] <malgar> perfect focus
[09:59] <daveake> oh ok
[10:01] <LeoBodnar> i wonder if periodic hard resetting of the camera makes sense
[10:01] <LeoBodnar> say every 20 minutes
[10:04] <MightyMik> 28.8 MHz is the clock frequency of an RTL dongle
[10:05] <MightyMik> nice opening shot on the vid
[10:16] <SP9UOB-Tom> LZ hams wake up ! Its late ! ;-)
[10:18] <sp2ipt> SP9UOB-Tom: it's cq contest, cq contest :P
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[10:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ibanezmatt13, What sort of current level are you talking about ?
[10:21] <ibanezmatt13> quite low really, current from LTC3105 from solar panel to charge lipo
[10:21] <ibanezmatt13> but also voltage too
[10:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You can get these in 5/10/30 Amp ranges nice because they are +/- http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ACS712-Current-Sensor-5-Amp-Halleffect-Current-For-PIC-AVR-Arduino-Compatible-/170961606487?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27ce1b1757
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[10:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I'm using them on a Leisure Battery in the campervan to monitor charge/dischsrge
[10:23] <LeoBodnar> SP9UOB-Tom: too late but still http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig3GaDGPVj4
[10:23] <ibanezmatt13> ah they look quite nice actually. I was thinking more about adding it onto a PCB Geoff-G8DHE-M
[10:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Just get the chip then ACS7xx range
[10:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: lol
[10:23] <LeoBodnar> what IS "Arduino compatible"?
[10:23] <ibanezmatt13> sounds like a plan Geoff-G8DHE, thanks
[10:24] <LeoBodnar> i'd say "Arduino compactable"
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[10:25] <LeoBodnar> what are you looking for ibanezmatt13 ?
[10:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Its compatible with any device with an ADC! they label them for raspi and all types ...
[10:25] <ibanezmatt13> well, I'm having a go at building a little cubesat thing, that would have to run for quite a while from solar charging
[10:26] <LeoBodnar> FTDI is making "Raspberry Pi compatible" USB-RS232 cable
[10:26] <LeoBodnar> they fell really low in my eyes after that
[10:26] <ibanezmatt13> So if I have the charge current, bat voltage and panel voltage readings, I can decide which modules should be on at what power level, kinda thing
[10:26] <LeoBodnar> so what are you looking for?
[10:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> There you go chip alone http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ACS712ELCTR-05B-T-Allegro-Microsystems-IC-Sensor-Current-5A-Soic8-712-/130873549738?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item1e78abe3aa
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[10:27] <ibanezmatt13> a device to give me these readings into an AVR, like that above or possibly the LTC2990
[10:27] <LeoBodnar> high side current sensor?
[10:27] <ibanezmatt13> I think that's what they call them
[10:27] <ibanezmatt13> not sure yet, only started looking into them this morning :P
[10:28] <LeoBodnar> there are hundreds of them available
[10:28] <LeoBodnar> if your Vbus is low then almost any instrumentation amp would work too
[10:28] <LeoBodnar> is it bidirectional?
[10:28] <ibanezmatt13> I think so yes
[10:29] <LeoBodnar> i use these http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/AD8210.pdf
[10:29] <LeoBodnar> hall sensors are quite noisy
[10:29] <LeoBodnar> but they are good for full isolation (mains) and high currents
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[10:30] <ibanezmatt13> ah right, I mean the voltages I'm measuring aren't great, especially on the solar side, nor are the currents
[10:31] <craag> yeah the hall sensors are only really good down to about 10% of their rating due to the noise.
[10:31] <craag> High-side series resistor with ad8210 would be better for small DC stuff
[10:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> Lz1BB spotted balloon but no email on qrz.com http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=144
[10:32] <craag> Like cubesats :)
[10:32] <ibanezmatt13> The 2990 I was looking at looked quite appropriate. Could measure two voltages, temperatures and current and return all data through the i2c bus.
[10:32] <LeoBodnar> if it's a battery system then a good instrumentation amp would be sufficient
[10:32] <LeoBodnar> ah ok, modern stuff
[10:32] <craag> ibanezmatt13: Interesting..
[10:32] <ibanezmatt13> http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/datasheet/2990fc.pdf
[10:33] <ibanezmatt13> LTC do nice datasheets :)
[10:33] <LeoBodnar> i think Allegro or AD made a current shunt sensor with I2C output
[10:33] <ibanezmatt13> yeah I've got a few to have a look at now, thanks for the recomendations. Though I really had better do some revision now :P
[10:34] <craag> heh, good luck!
[10:34] <LeoBodnar> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/ina220.pdf
[10:34] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[10:34] <ibanezmatt13> yeah that kinda thing Leo, that looks nice too.
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[10:45] <S_Mark> ok I have some 32swg nichrome wire - how to work out voltage needed for cutdown?
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[10:47] <LeoBodnar> only through testing
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[10:51] <craag> 'Weak Sigs' boosts the waterfall brightness
[10:52] <craag> oops
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[10:57] <Chris___> wat Freq for SPAVA
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[10:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> Chris___: SPAVA most probably a test - Anyone confirm?
[10:58] <Chris___> tnx info Steve_G0TDJ
[10:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> NP
[10:59] <fsphil> yea pretty sure that's just Upu testing
[10:59] <Upu> hmm ?
[10:59] <Upu> shouldn't be on snus
[10:59] <Upu> doh
[10:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> It has been for a while
[10:59] <Upu> going to be on there for a while if the sun doesn't come out
[11:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> You should be here Anthony, getting Baked down South!
[11:00] <Upu> thanks Steve :/
[11:00] <Upu> Spent an hour or so getting it all set up
[11:00] <Upu> base lined it all
[11:00] <Upu> plugged in the panels
[11:01] <Upu> and bang
[11:01] <Upu> cloud
[11:01] <mfa298> Steve_G0TDJ: agreed, lovely blue skys out the window here :)
[11:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Awww....
[11:01] <Upu> cock off all of you :)
[11:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[11:01] <mfa298> although this does mean my flat will turn into an oven shortly when the sun makes its way around.
[11:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> We're already there mfa298
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[11:03] <fsphil> just noticed B-55's lovely altitude graph
[11:03] <fsphil> wonder what the little peaks at either side of the dip are
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[11:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB-Tom call ctest on 50197
[11:10] <DL7AD_> fsphil: it has been humidity: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/186993_trj001.gif
[11:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> im on 28.480 now
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[11:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: quiet here
[11:13] <S_Mark> Can anyone comment on the payload train configuration where the balloon is in the middle of the train and the parachute is dangling off the balloon until burst? like this pic: http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:2line4.jpg
[11:13] <S_Mark> Is it successful?
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[11:18] <chrisstubbs> I think thats the slip block for steves "two line" release not a chute S_Mark
[11:18] <S_Mark> Yeah I think it is, however imagine the slip block was a chute
[11:19] <chrisstubbs> you probably have a lot more potential for flapping around and entanglement like that
[11:21] <S_Mark> yeah, just wondering if it had been used
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[12:12] Action: mfa298 now understands why his cordless drill is so useless - opened up the battery pack and its using NiCD cells
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[12:20] <cm13g09> mfa298: that's useless
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[12:27] <SpeedEvil> Decent NiCd cells can be quite reasonable
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[12:43] <mfa298> considering how often the drill gets used and how cheap it was these aren't decent cells.
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[12:45] <mfa298> question now will be wether to go and buy a better cordless drill. or just go back to the old fashoined form of cordless drill http://www.faithfulltools.com/images/extralarge/FAIHANDDRILL.jpg
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[12:46] <chrisstubbs> B&Q had some pretty nice cheap ryobi lithium ones for under £100 not so long ago mfa298
[12:47] <Upu> uff
[12:47] <Upu> Ryobi are crap
[12:47] <Upu> just spend the extra on a DeWalt
[12:48] <mfa298> having used some makita bits of stuff at work I'd be quite tempted to spend a bit more on one of them
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[12:48] <Upu> or Makita yes
[12:48] <chrisstubbs> I was pretty impressed with the ryobi actually
[12:49] <Upu> they don't last long
[12:49] <Upu> you think they are ok then use an equivalent DeWalt and you realise they aren't
[12:52] <mfa298> although both DeWalt and Makita need to improve their radio range. I don't see 434.5 SSB listed :p
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[13:07] <Laurenceb_> Bosch are pretty good
[13:07] <Laurenceb_> i still have one from 1994
[13:07] <Laurenceb_> works as good as new
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[13:30] <qyx_> also i am pasting here if anyone is interested, RFM69 module range testing at 50kbps GMSK (BT=0.5) modulation with 0dBm tx power
[13:30] <qyx_> http://qyx.krtko.org/embedded/rfm69_range_testing_3/
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[14:29] <S_Mark> anyone got any guides on balloon size at bursting point? specfically 1000g Hwyoee
[14:29] <S_Mark> hwoyee
[14:30] <chrisstubbs> >= 8m according to steves site
[14:30] <chrisstubbs> diameter that is
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[14:41] <chrisstubbs> Upu, are those pi in the sky boards going to be like the pi version of habduino?
[14:42] <Upu> basically yes
[14:42] <chrisstubbs> Awesome, the local council here are going crazy with pi projects at local schools and wanted to do a HAB launch, so would be perfect for them
[14:42] <Upu> thats the target market
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[14:44] <chrisstubbs> Do you have any idea when they are going to be ready, or any details I could pass on to them?
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[14:45] <Upu> 2-3 weeks
[14:45] <Upu> www.pi-in-the-sky.com
[14:45] <Upu> when we do something with it
[14:46] <chrisstubbs> Cheers
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[14:51] <aadamson> hey daveake, did you ever get the sticked images from the centr camera? was just catching up on your website, and noticed that - very cool
[14:52] <daveake> not yet
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[16:11] <amell> chrisstubbs: been using ryobi for like 10 years now, got 2 Li batteries, and a whole variety of stuff. None of it has broken yet, and it gets heavy use.
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[16:12] <amell> circular saw, angle drill, jigsaw, electric saw, and 2 normal drills.
[16:12] <amell> been pleasantly surprised by it, didnt expect it to last this long.
[16:13] <amell> ryobi has metal gearbox, which is the main differentiator between the low end and mid-range.
[16:20] <myself> amell: yeah, we use mostly ryobi stuff at the i3detroit hackerspace, and nobody's managed to kill one yet. It's the same OEM as the Ridgid brand, too, so many of their accessories (oscillating tool heads, etc) are interchangeable, in case that's of interest.
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[17:23] <Babs_> Afternoon everyone
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[17:26] <DL7AD> hi Babs_
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[17:55] <lz1dev> whats the predicted path for b-55 ?
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[18:06] <DL7AD> lz1dev: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_192510.kmz
[18:06] <DL7AD> lz1dev: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_192510&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html
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[18:09] <lz1dev> DL7AD: whats the freq?
[18:09] <DL7AD> 434500
[18:10] <lz1dev> i ran the predictor
[18:10] <lz1dev> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=8a84c11da974839b340e50095f2f4e3d8e0ea1ca
[18:10] <lz1dev> :)
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[18:12] <Benny_Boy> Hi everyone
[18:13] <DL7AD> hi Benny_Boy
[18:13] <Benny_Boy> Does anyone here have any experience decoding on Linux using gqrx and dl-fldigi?
[18:13] <DL7AD> lz1dev: well this predictor assumes your balloon is descending or rising all the time
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[18:14] <DL7AD> Benny_Boy: hm well on windows you could use virtual audio cable but i dont now a similar program for linux
[18:15] <DL7AD> to get the stream from gqrx to dl-fldigi
[18:17] <Benny_Boy> that seem to be the issue. I've tried various things I've found across the web, but nada seems to work
[18:17] <Benny_Boy> In fldigi I can see a waterfall, but it's restricted to 0 to 50 on the scale
[18:18] <Benny_Boy> It's obviously possibe...
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[18:18] <DL7AD> Benny_Boy: i use a simple 3.5mm cable to stream it back to the input if there's no other way :D
[18:19] <DL7AD> Benny_Boy: which balloon are you gonna try to receive?
[18:20] <lz1dev> cant gnuradio act as a virtual cable?
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[18:22] <IW0FMT> sp9oub your pico is always flying?
[18:22] <mfa298> I think various people have had issues trying to loop back audio on Linux, generally with pulse audio doing odd things to the audio stream which means you can see the data in dl-fldigi but not decode it
[18:23] <Benny_Boy> looping back in with a jack to jack was my next option. The balloon I want to receive is my own. Part of testing initially, but then to confirm its transmitting at launch before release.
[18:24] <Benny_Boy> you can install jack on linux (which I haven't yet tried), to work along side pulseaudio
[18:24] <mfa298> audio cable should work.
[18:25] <mfa298> I think where people have had issues is using the pulse equivalent of the windows stereo mix
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[18:25] <mfa298> I've only used dl-fldigi on linux with a real radio through a usb audio card and thats been fine
[18:26] <Benny_Boy> coolio. I'll try the more physical option then. :) Ta
[18:26] <craag> Yeah the pulse stereo mix is broken
[18:26] <craag> It doesn't do the resampling properly
[18:27] <craag> There's a fix in upstream, but it's one of those packages that debian doesn't update often
[18:27] <craag> might land in ubuntu 14.10 if we're lucky, but wasn't staged last I checked.
[18:27] <Benny_Boy> craag: :(
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[18:37] <lz1dev> craag: compile from src ?
[18:38] <craag> lz1dev: Last time I checked was in 13.10 and it needed a *lot* of dependencies updated for the new version.
[18:38] <craag> So for now it's doubled the length of the list of reasons for having windows dual-boot
[18:39] <lz1dev> whats the other reason?
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[18:40] <craag> We have some kit at work that requires a windows app or silverlight :/
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[20:04] <Ian_> .
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[20:06] <tjanos> evening all... malgar, are you here?
[20:07] <malgar> tjanos: yes
[20:07] <tjanos> send me a private msg to my hg5apz at fmail address plz
[20:07] <tjanos> gmail
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[20:26] <Benny_Boy> Hello! Me again!
[20:27] <Benny_Boy> Can anyone tell me why in fldigi, the signal seems to be shifted to the far left of the waterdfall window and I can only see the top half of the signal. The lowwer band is off the waterfall's left edge.
[20:28] <Benny_Boy> it's tuned to the same frequency as gqrx
[20:29] <Benny_Boy> must be tea time
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[20:31] <mclane_> you have to tune gqrx to a few 100 hz lower in frequency
[20:33] <Reb-SM3ULC> good evening
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[20:36] <jcoxon> evening all
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[20:44] <ProSpectre> night everyone
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[21:32] <SpeedEvil> How to do real-time video clear to the horizon.
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/valleyhams/N8hfUJW_qgM
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[21:49] <Ian_> Imagine the neighbour reaction to that in the garden . . . if only the garden was big enough. It seems a shame that it has to die.
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[21:58] <SpeedEvil> I found a youtube video of someone starting an engine in their backyard.
[21:59] <SpeedEvil> An old high bypass airliner jet engine.
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[22:01] <LeoBodnar> Heston making smoothies?
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[22:26] <lz1dev> SpeedEvil: I bet the neighbours were trilled
[22:33] <LeoBodnar> What's the frequency for Icarus?
[22:34] <LeoBodnar> </troll>
[22:34] <fsphil> 0hz
[22:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn
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[22:34] Action: daveake changes one of the trackers for tomorrow to be $$ICARUS
[22:34] <daveake> </troll>
[22:35] <fsphil> hah, I was just about to suggest blacklisting that callsign
[22:35] <fsphil> </serious>
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[22:35] <fsphil> unless Rob decides to launch again
[22:35] <fsphil> </hopeful>
[22:36] <amell> I see icarus flies once more.
[22:36] <fsphil> you'd think he'd learn
[22:36] <Henk2e0> is this channel mostly uk guys?
[22:36] <LeoBodnar> epoxy is better than wax
[22:37] <fsphil> depends on the time of day Henk2e0, but usually yea
[22:37] <amell> s/wa/se
[22:37] <arko> oy!
[22:37] <arko> some of us aren't
[22:37] <daveake> $$JOSE_ICARUS,1234,52.071583,0.261591,47500,....
[22:37] <fsphil> it goes all MERICAN at night (uk time)
[22:37] <fsphil> and sometimes very ozzy
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[22:38] <arko> hehe
[22:39] <fsphil> certainly a lot more international than it used to be
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> KiCAD effort: http://s.gullipics.com/image/j/o/3/5yvdu4-k9cvzk-ss78/PINGamma.png
[22:39] <malclocke> NZ here :)
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[22:39] <LeoBodnar> Andy is launching http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=9&call=a%2FVK3YT-11&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[22:39] <arko> nice
[22:40] <malclocke> cool, I wonder if it will head our way
[22:43] <LeoBodnar> it's up
[22:46] <amell> my maths is not what it was - what are the max dimensions of a square that fits inside a 4 diameter circle.
[22:48] <amell> pythagoras rings a bell
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[22:52] <Henk2e0> it's just a while ago I read a thing about ofcom considering amateur radio from aircraft
[22:53] <Henk2e0> I wasn't sure if they'd done a consultation thing on that
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> digital potentiometers are irritating
[22:54] <fsphil> there was a consultation, not sure if it's finished or not
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[23:04] <mfa298> I'm not sure we've had the real consultation yet. I think most of that was the rsgb pre consultation consultation.
[23:07] <Henk2e0> I did find this http://rsgb.org/main/rsgb-consultations/consultation-archive/ofcom-consultations/licence-review-preparation/airborne-use/
[23:10] <mfa298> my understanding was that the rsgb litmus tests were the rsgb consulting with amateurs before the actual ofcom consultations happened
[23:10] <Henk2e0> ah ok
[23:10] <Henk2e0> I'm fairly new to amateur radio, so I'm not familiar with the process
[23:12] <malclocke> talking of radio, anyone have any opinions on FT-897? one has come up for sale here and I'm tempted.
[23:14] <mfa298> it's all tied in with the bits of spectrum that we currently have which is being released by the MoD for ofcom to sell off. So as part of that my understanding is they need to re-issue everyones license so that makes it an ideal time to make various other changes one of which could be airborne use (although that may also require agreement from CAA)
[23:15] <mfa298> malclocke: people seem to like the Yeasu's. My main issue with them is that so much is done via menus (although my only experience is with the FT-817)
[23:15] <Henk2e0> wow, I didn't know there would be a licence re-issue
[23:15] <Henk2e0> I personally wouldn't go for an 897, i guess it depends on how you want to use it though
[23:17] <mfa298> I quite like my TS-2000. I think it's slightly better functionally than the FT8x7s, and most of the key features on on their own buttons.
[23:18] <mfa298> these days I'd also look at the IC-7000/IC-7100.
[23:18] <mfa298> however all of those don't seem to appear so often on the 2nd hand markey
[23:18] <mfa298> and thy're a bit more pricy
[23:22] <malclocke> I'd ideally like an 817, but they don't seem to come up second hand here often.
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[23:25] <malclocke> I can't really justify having a whole raft of radios, so the 8x7 range appeals. the menu driven aspect is not ideal but it's a compromise for portability I guess.
[23:26] <Henk2e0> the 897 is more expensive than the 857 but unless you're planning to operate portable doesn't seem to have any advantage
[23:26] <Henk2e0> even if you are, you might be better with an 857 and some hobbyking lipo batteries
[23:26] <mfa298> I think part of what makes a good radio is what you're using it for. The 8x7s tend to be reasonably compact and have a reasonable set of features. Other brands might be easier to use but aren't so portable friendly
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[23:29] <malclocke> thats what is making me hesitate about the 897, is that it seems to be built on the same idea as the 817 and 857 but looks quite a lot bigger.
[23:30] <Henk2e0> the elecraft kx3 is very portable friendly
[23:32] <Ian_> The FT-897 has a higher stability oscilator than the FT-957
[23:32] <malclocke> the really big plus for the 897 is that there is one for sale :)
[23:34] <Ian_> Not a new licence issue, but a reissue of the Terms, Conditions and Limitations, which is subtly not quite the same thing. The current document is more than a bit woolly, but of course that can work both ways. The actual meaning only being established in a court of law if your interpretation differs radically from that popularly held by Ofcom.
[23:36] <Ian_> Keep your ear to the ground for some disgruntled Ham that can't manage his finances properly. A mate managed to buy an FT-817 from someone for £250. He now wishes that he hadn't sold it . . . :)
[23:36] <Ian_> That and the rich Ham that can't help but upgrade and so flogs off the old bit of gear that is probably less than 18 months old.
[23:40] <Henk2e0> are most of the people involved in high altitude stuff hams?
[23:40] <Henk2e0> not necessarily most, but is there a significant overlap?
[23:41] <myself> Huge overlap.
[23:41] <myself> That's like saying are most people on a racetrack also licensed drivers...
[23:42] <myself> Well, Dave in the #21 car out there, he's a cabinetmaker when he's not racing, but he also holds a driver's license so he can get to the store and buy lumber, you know? Also helps with the racing.
[23:43] <malclocke> I got my ham license recently just for doing HAB, only it turns out I probably won't need it for flight #1 :)
[23:46] <DL7AD> sp9uob is out of range
[23:49] <Ian_> An amateur radio licence is a useful thing to have. It does no harm on a CV and if you have a full licence when you are looking to go to university, it can make a difference. It means that you have engaged in a substantial course of study already and not given up.
[23:50] <malclocke> is there a prediction for VK3YT-11?
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[23:52] <LeoBodnar> malclocke andy is trying for S America http://picospace.net/
[23:52] <LeoBodnar> DL7AD i can enable APRS importer
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[23:52] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: ehm yes
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[23:53] <LeoBodnar> done
[23:53] <malclocke> LeoBodnar, cheers. there's an awful lot of not much in between :)
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