highaltitude.log.20140605

[00:00] <KF7FER> so the legs "plugs in", so to speak?
[00:00] <KF7FER> to hold it?
[00:01] <KF7FER> that sounds like witchcraft. This plugging in without hands ;-)
[00:02] <KF7FER> ok that's pretty cool!
[00:02] <KF7FER> so no legs is like pogo pins but the legged connectors are really sweet
[00:03] <KF7FER> but @ $33.95 I'll just stick with pogo pins ;-)
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[00:13] <aadamson> on the legged version just provides guide pins so you can program a board.
[00:13] <aadamson> sorry
[00:13] <aadamson> have that backwards
[00:13] <aadamson> the legged version needs matching holes that lock tabs and hold it to the board.
[00:13] <aadamson> the no-legged version has guide pins to hold it steady, but its not a lockable solution, it's just a programming option
[00:14] <aadamson> so you don't have to have a header
[00:14] <aadamson> the problem with the legged version is the 4 holes for the SWD version are huge and I can't find them where my current 10 pin cortex connector is today
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[00:22] <Plaztikman> hello
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[05:54] <Chetic> is the top view in sdr# showing FFT magnitude?
[05:55] <Chetic> I'm trying to understand how to set up the oscilloscope to analyze my transmitter issues
[06:01] <Rebounder> could you elaborate?
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[06:07] <Chetic> not sure how
[06:07] <Chetic> I have an NTX2 transmitter that is transmitting too much noise to decode
[06:07] <Chetic> it can barely be done at 50 baud but gets worse with higher baud rates
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[06:08] <Chetic> I've excluded any receiver issues, and my soldering+hardware skills are terrible
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[06:08] <Chetic> now I have access to a ridiculously expensive oscilloscope (at work) and want to connect it directly to the NTX2 instead of going through radiowaves
[06:09] <Chetic> I want to see if the hardware waveform will be as noisy as what I see in SDR# using my rtl sdr dongles
[06:09] <jededu> In no expert but I get that when im too close to the NTX2
[06:10] <jededu> I have to run NTX2 with no antenna
[06:11] <Chetic> how far away do you have to be then?
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[06:15] <jededu> With no antenna attached to the NTX2 RTL-SDR and small antenna reciever 10 ft if I attach the antenna quite a distance it just overpowers the receiver
[06:15] <jededu> And I cannot decode
[06:15] <iz2kzv> ciao Malgar!
[06:15] <malgar> ciao!
[06:15] <iz2kzv> ready?
[06:15] <malgar> we are preparing for the launch
[06:16] <malgar> we are already transmitting. The balloon is on the map
[06:16] <Upu> morning
[06:16] <malgar> -105 min
[06:16] <Upu> jededu taken screen shots from spacenear ?
[06:16] <jededu> Oh yes
[06:16] <jededu> Done
[06:17] <iz2kzv> malgar: 434.325 right?
[06:17] <malgar> yes
[06:17] <malgar> iz2kzv: now is really too low for you :P
[06:17] <malgar> 2 cm above ground
[06:17] <malgar> :P
[06:17] <iz2kzv> yes... only noise for now
[06:17] <Chetic> jededu: I'm about 20ft through two walls with no antenna though. same issue
[06:18] <malgar> I think that you cant hear anything before 10:15-10:30
[06:18] <Upu> whats the two payload names ATLANTIS and...
[06:18] <iz2kzv> so i can go to have breakfast :-=
[06:18] <Upu> and which one is on 434.325 ?
[06:18] <malgar> atlantis is 434.325
[06:18] <iz2kzv> upu: atlantis in nothern italy
[06:18] <malgar> hab pilati is 434.350
[06:19] <malgar> but pilati will fly tomorrow
[06:19] <malgar> (twn balloons)
[06:19] <malgar> twin
[06:19] <malgar> Upu: atlantis it's me
[06:19] <Upu> Pilati 8N2 or 7N1 ?
[06:20] <Upu> 7N2 even
[06:21] <Upu> I did the info box for you on spacenear.us
[06:21] <Upu> let me know if it needs changing
[06:22] <malgar> 7n2
[06:23] <Upu> I guessed correct
[06:23] <Chetic> the voltages sent to the NTX2 are 1.51v - 1.74v, and it's powered by 5v. is that reasonable?
[06:23] <Upu> Chetic if you mean the TXD pin sure, its 0-3V
[06:24] <malgar> we need listeners from switzerland, germany(bavaria), austria, northern italy
[06:24] <malgar> maybe slovenia
[06:24] <Chetic> Upu: I'm thinking maybe the low vs high voltages need to be further apart
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[06:24] <Upu> sounds about right what shift is that giving you
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[06:26] <Chetic> 434.0490 - 434.0495
[06:28] <Chetic> so yeah, that seems about right too
[06:30] <Chetic> the carrier looks great, but it's when it's shifting that the noise appears
[06:30] <Chetic> http://i.imgur.com/0nOhGIt.png
[06:34] <Chetic> could it be that I have messed up the ntx2 in my terrible rough-handed soldering? :p
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[06:38] <Chetic> jededu: does that picture look like what you get when you are too close?
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[06:57] <jededu> I dont know if it has anything to do with the resolution I have mine at 1024 2048 and the shaded area just covers the peak
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[07:13] <mfa298> Chetic: I'd have said that looks pretty reasonable
[07:14] <mfa298> you're not going to get clean lines on the radio signal and it will look worse with higher baud rates.
[07:14] <Chetic> compare it to this http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:ntx2b-5.jpg?cache=
[07:15] <Chetic> ah he has 96khz samplerate though
[07:15] <mfa298> as a silly question when you were testing a higher baud rate did you adjust the receive filter bandwidth in dl-fldigi
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[07:16] <mfa298> that image also looks to be an on/off every 0.5s so more like 2baud
[07:16] <Chetic> I've tried all manner of adjustments to that, yes
[07:17] <Chetic> ah yeah I guess you're right
[07:18] <Chetic> going by sound I would say the reception is pretty good and clear
[07:18] <Chetic> better than some recordings I've heard
[07:18] <Chetic> but I still can't decode it reliably, even at 50 baud
[07:18] <mfa298> what shift do you have and what baud rate were you going for ?
[07:19] <Chetic> I have about a 460hz shift and I'm going for 50 baud to be safe
[07:19] <Chetic> (after all this trouble)
[07:19] <fsphil> are you using software serial?
[07:19] <Chetic> no, hw uart
[07:19] <Chetic> raspberry pi
[07:20] <fsphil> ah
[07:20] <fsphil> n/m then
[07:20] <mfa298> killed all the stuff that talks to the rpi uart (or at least all that you can)
[07:21] <Chetic> yes, most definitely
[07:21] <fsphil> do you have a recording?
[07:22] <Chetic> I can make one
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[07:27] <LeoBodnar> you have to consistent in testing by using signal with the same modulation index
[07:27] <jededu> Chetic just fired up the pi I have the same setup as you I cannot decode at that resolution
[07:28] <LeoBodnar> otherwise 10bps signal with 500Hz shift will look clean as a whistle and MSK signal with 300bps and 150Hz shift will look like mush
[07:28] <jededu> With SDR
[07:28] <LeoBodnar> which is what it supposed to look like
[07:28] <fsphil> resolution?
[07:29] <jededu> Posted Earlier http://i.imgur.com/0nOhGIt.png
[07:32] <Chetic> that's just the _display_ resolution though isn't it?
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[07:34] <mfa298> I think in the early days of testing pis as payloads someone had issues with 50bd on the hardware uart so I wonder if that's right on the boundary of whats possible
[07:34] <mfa298> and some pis it works and others it doesn
[07:35] <mfa298> not that I've tried sending rtty that way on the pi. I've found plenty of more interesting methods
[07:35] <Chetic> nah the uart levels look absolutely fine
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[07:36] <mfa298> the more likely problem if that was the issue would be the timing being slightly off (which a good scope / logic analyser would help you find out)
[07:39] <Chetic> I have excluded that by using a scope
[07:40] <Chetic> with a serial decoder even
[07:40] <Chetic> counted the microseconds by hand :p
[07:40] <Chetic> just to make ultra sure
[07:42] <mfa298> as fsphil said earlier an audio recording of the signal could be useful
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[07:51] <ibanezmatt13> Torro agree the oscillation of yesterday's flight was odd, but unlikely it was down to the funnel clouds. Could have been the turbulence though as several aircraft were re-routed around that area during the afternoon
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[07:52] <jededu_> Chetic looks similar http://imgur.com/OiIPUN7
[07:54] <daveake> So ...
[07:54] <daveake> ... who wants a free tracker? :p
[07:55] <jededu> Me plz
[07:55] <MightyMik> mee too
[07:55] <fsphil> I've give you £5 for that free tracker!!
[07:55] <Upu> Run our of space for free trackers in your house or something daveake ?
[07:56] <daveake> Any advance on £5? :)
[07:56] <daveake> haha Upu
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[07:56] <MightyMik> no VAT if i get it
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[07:57] <Chetic> jededu: thanks for testing!!
[07:57] Action: mfa298 would offer a pint after the conference - although I'm not sure I need a free tracker
[07:58] <Upu> ping craag where your github gone its 404ing
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[07:59] <mfa298> Upu: https://github.com/philcrump
[07:59] <iz2kzv> malgar: pronti?
[07:59] <Chetic> mfa298 fsphil jededu can you try to decode this recording? http://bayfiles.net/file/1fwmj/k7zbUr/serenitytestcapture1.wav
[07:59] <mfa298> he renamed it a couple of months ago
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[08:00] <craag> I thought github kept redirects, perhaps only for a month or so
[08:00] <iz2kzv> malgar: ready?
[08:00] <malgar> hi.. we will launch no earlier than 15-20 min
[08:00] <fsphil> Chetic: I can't seem to download that, no link is showing
[08:00] <malgar> almost ready
[08:00] <malgar> everything working
[08:01] <Upu> ta mfa298
[08:01] <malgar> we will start inflating soon
[08:01] <mfa298> fsphil: you need to click the suspicious looking premium download button and it seems to work
[08:01] <Chetic> I think you can just click premium download fsphil
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[08:01] <fsphil> it wasn't showing. refresh has fixed it
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[08:02] <mfa298> I'm getting most of that decoded although there's a few bad chars at times
[08:03] <Chetic> any idea what could be causing them?
[08:03] <Chetic> because it just gets worse at higher bps
[08:03] <fsphil> Chetic: what's your receiver setup?
[08:03] <Chetic> cheap rtl sdr
[08:03] <Chetic> but I have two and the problem is the same on both
[08:03] <fsphil> what software?
[08:03] <Chetic> SDR#
[08:03] <Chetic> VAC
[08:03] <mfa298> I make that more like a 410Hz shift, decoded with 7n2
[08:03] <fsphil> there is some bad clicking in the audio
[08:04] <Chetic> the clicking is new, but decoding works about as bad as when I didn't get clicking
[08:05] <mfa298> re-running it almost all the errors are start and end of the sentences so padding with some null bytes might help that
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[08:09] <fsphil> the audio bandwidth seems a bit small on the waterfall
[08:09] <fsphil> seems to cut out at 1500hz
[08:11] <malgar> still to launch
[08:13] <iz2kzv> waiting...
[08:16] <malgar> inflating now
[08:17] <malgar> CLOSING THE PAYLOAD
[08:18] <iz2kzv> ...
[08:24] <malgar> STILL INFLATING
[08:24] <daveake> PRESSING CAPS LOCK
[08:24] <fsphil> OMG
[08:24] <Darkside> CRUISE CONTROL ENGAGED
[08:24] <iz2kzv> haha
[08:25] <malgar> omfg
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[08:26] <ik2gsr> Atlantis ??
[08:27] <iz2kzv> ik2gsr: almost ready for launch
[08:31] <malgar> inflated
[08:31] <malgar> attaching the payload
[08:33] <cm13g09-work> fsphil: ping
[08:34] <fsphil> pong cm13g09-work
[08:34] <nats`> is it twitter here ? :D
[08:37] <fsphil> nobody's posted a picture of their lunch yet, so no
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[08:42] <nats`> fsphil dude you're mistaking instagram and twitter ! :D
[08:43] <nats`> instagram is where you post food picture, twitter is where you announce poop time :D
[08:43] <fsphil> I knew I was using it wrong
[08:43] <nats`> you tried to use it for usefull things !
[08:43] <nats`> that's bad !
[08:44] <gonzo_> I'd thing the other way aroun d would be nore amusing
[08:44] <gonzo_> more
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[08:45] <SgtBurned> daveake: Are you here still or jededu ?
[08:45] <malgar> LAUNCHED
[08:45] <daveake> I'm still here
[08:46] <iz2kzv> wow
[08:46] <SgtBurned> daveake: can you link me to the only photo we got?
[08:47] <jededu> Yes daveake
[08:47] <jededu> Sorry read it wrong
[08:48] <jededu> http://i.imgur.com/Tka6GQ0.jpg
[08:48] <daveake> http://imgur.com/Tka6GQ0
[08:49] <SgtBurned> Thanks
[08:49] <SgtBurned> any other boring photos? ;d
[08:50] <daveake> Many but not worh uploading
[08:51] <SgtBurned> Okay. Thanks for all your help
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[09:11] <malgar> atlantis is going up very slowly
[09:11] <malgar> 2.6 m/s
[09:12] <malgar> is it hardbut we inflated to gat 4.5
[09:12] <malgar> get
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[09:12] <iz2kzv> it will be a long day :-)
[09:12] <malgar> sorry
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[09:18] <iz2kzv> malgar: mhhh... still at 6378.. non climbing
[09:19] <SgtBurned> Link to the logs on Just paste?
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[09:19] <DL7AD> .
[09:19] <malgar> :O
[09:20] <malgar> I think that the gps isn't working
[09:20] <malgar> so the time is not updated
[09:20] <iz2kzv> yes
[09:21] <iz2kzv> i noticed
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[09:21] <iz2kzv> the gps hung somehow
[09:24] <in3aqk> receiving but not deconding I've a strong interference on the ground noise
[09:25] <iz2kzv> in3aqk: now decoding is pretty useless since gps is stuck
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[09:28] <in3aqk> iz2ksv but not decoding at all is worst
[09:29] <SgtBurned> jededu: Do you have the Justpaste link?
[09:30] <iz2kzv> in3aqk: right :-)
[09:30] <jededu> SgtBurned pm
[09:30] <daveake> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/
[09:30] <mfa298> SgtBurned: there are logs at http://habhub.org/zeusbot/
[09:30] <daveake> ^ search logs there
[09:30] <mfa298> snap
[09:30] <daveake> slow
[09:30] <daveake> :)
[09:30] Action: mfa298 blames laggy internet although I'm not sure if thats home adsl or work adsl
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[09:36] <malgar> yes I don't know why gps is not working
[09:36] <malgar> nav mode is on
[09:37] <MightyMik> what GPS chip?
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[09:37] <malgar> ublox 7c
[09:38] <in3aqk> mmm ublox...
[09:39] <iz2kzv> it's still climbing since temperature is constantly dropping
[09:40] <iz2kzv> malgar: i thought you were in the blue car :-)
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[09:43] <brix_> hey malgar
[09:43] <malgar> iz2kzv: no, i'm at the launch pad
[09:43] <malgar> ciao brix
[09:43] <malgar> lanciato :) gps blocked :(
[09:44] <malgar> but temperature is working
[09:44] <malgar> -41 outside
[09:44] <malgar> 18 inside
[09:46] <brix_> oops I just wrote you
[09:47] <brix_> yeah it looks a bit stuck indeed :( so where is it now really? any idea?
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[09:51] <in3aqk> with outside temperature you could calculate the exstimate height
[09:51] <in3aqk> 6,5°/1000 meters drop
[09:52] <MightyMik> add a barometer for the next iteration perhaps
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[09:54] <iz2kzv> cannot decode anymore
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[09:56] <IZ5006SWL> no sinal
[09:57] <iz2kzv> works...
[09:57] <iz2kzv> it seems
[09:57] <iz2kzv> we goa a new position!!!
[09:59] <in3aqk> bravo
[10:00] <IZ5006SWL> qui no signal
[10:00] <brix_> hey it works again
[10:00] <brix_> yeah
[10:01] <iz2kzv> IZ5006SWL: i decode only parts
[10:01] <brix_> are you guys there with malgar?
[10:01] <iz2kzv> but i have a strong local noise so it's my fault
[10:01] <iz2kzv> brix: no
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[10:02] <brix_> now it's at Peeaeve di Soleegoh
[10:03] <brix_> it's working :)
[10:03] <in3aqk> Peeaeve di Soleegoh hahahah an hobbit location
[10:04] <brix_> heading towards Cheeson di Valmareenoh
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[10:04] <malgar> 3 m/s.. could it be floating?
[10:05] <brix_> I see the altitude growing, right?
[10:05] <malgar> it's going up very slowly
[10:05] <malgar> brix_: yes
[10:05] <brix_> it was 14500 one minute ago
[10:05] <brix_> should it be faster?
[10:06] <brix_> it's the weight of italian bureaucracy eheheh
[10:06] <iz2kzv> malgar: it ascended at 3m/s since launch... I think it's ok
[10:06] <iz2kzv> brix: hahah
[10:06] <malgar> we set the amount of helium for 4.5 m/s.. but it's going only 3 m/s
[10:06] <iz2kzv> brix: 45 days for a notam... :.)
[10:06] <malgar> iz2kzv: no, the first 2000 m were 4.5
[10:06] <brix_> if it continues like this, you will have to get it at Rifugio Rosetta
[10:07] <brix_> Rowsetta's Hut
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[10:10] <iz2kzv> malgar: tomorrow don't be lousy with helium :-)
[10:10] <om1ats> first good packet fromslovakia ! nice
[10:10] <malgar> om1ats: great! unfortunately the gps isn't working now
[10:11] <malgar> ok working now
[10:11] <brix_> for sure the balloon doesn't seem in a hurry
[10:12] <brix_> just 20km/h
[10:12] <brix_> and 0.7m/s of ascent, as I see it :\
[10:12] <SgtBurned> floating nicely then
[10:13] <brix_> 0.2...
[10:13] <malgar> brix_: that insn't real
[10:13] <malgar> it's calculated
[10:14] <brix_> yeah, but anyway I guess it's not gonig at 10m/s :P
[10:14] <iz2kzv> gps keeps on freezing
[10:14] <brix_> are you at the launchpad still? with the audience?
[10:15] <malgar> children are gone now
[10:15] <malgar> :)
[10:15] <brix_> iz2kzv: it seems you're at some receiver aren't you
[10:16] <om1ats> gps works again
[10:16] <iz2kzv> brix: yes
[10:16] <brix_> uuh 3m/s
[10:16] <om1ats> transmit power is 10mW ?
[10:18] <iz2kzv> it seems i will go to office late today .-)
[10:19] <malgar> om1ats: yes
[10:21] <brix_> does your firmware correct for general relativity's effects?
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[10:24] <om1ats> now !
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[10:38] <Chetic> < brix_> does your firmware correct for general relativity's effects?
[10:38] <Chetic> lol what do you mean by that brix_?
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[10:55] <brix_> GPS is affected by GR :)
[10:55] <brix_> wow it's at almost 26km now
[10:55] <brix_> or at least, the last time GPS worked
[10:55] <brix_> :P
[10:56] <brix_> I see we have crossed some -sphere border, as the temperature has increased to -21
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[10:57] <brix_> malgar, the predicted landing is exactly on the main road Feltre-Belluno
[10:57] <brix_> you'd better find a lawyer when there will be a car crash
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[11:00] <in3aqk_> now i'm decoding signal i strong
[11:01] <in3aqk_> I had to change antenna and activate the reverse
[11:01] <IZ5006SWL> QUI IL SEGNALE è MOLTO BASSO
[11:02] <in3aqk_> here is really strong
[11:02] <IZ5006SWL> IO MI TROVO QTH LOC.: JN44XF
[11:03] <in3aqk_> in jn5600 signal is s8
[11:03] <IZ5006SWL> zONA 5 prov. di Massa Carrara
[11:04] <IZ5006SWL> qui S2 con Qrm
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[11:04] <IZ5006SWL> il software non decodifica
[11:06] <in3aqk_> hai il reverse?
[11:06] <IZ5006SWL> ha che quaota si trova?
[11:06] <om1ats> burst ?
[11:06] <in3aqk_> 25000
[11:06] <IZ5006SWL> ok
[11:06] <in3aqk_> burst
[11:07] <in3aqk_> descending
[11:07] <om1ats> 27942m max alt
[11:07] <in3aqk_> going down
[11:11] <in3aqk_> near feltre
[11:12] <iz2kzv> the frequency is shifting
[11:13] <iz2kzv> it's time to chase
[11:13] <in3aqk_> yes
[11:14] <in3aqk_> still decoding it
[11:14] <Chetic> why is the frequency shifting?
[11:14] <in3aqk_> doppler
[11:15] <Chetic> aaawesome
[11:15] <in3aqk_> yes
[11:15] <in3aqk_> fantastic
[11:15] <fsphil> more likely temperature than doppler
[11:16] <in3aqk_> you are right
[11:16] <in3aqk_> doppler are hertz at this speed
[11:17] <malgar> the chasing car should be start in a while
[11:18] <malgar> signal is quite low at the launch site
[11:18] <malgar> but still green
[11:19] <in3aqk_> lost,
[11:19] <in3aqk_> is too low for me
[11:20] <in3aqk_> end of trackig
[11:20] <in3aqk_> tracking
[11:20] <in3aqk_> byby
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[11:25] <Chetic> what :|
[11:25] <Chetic> who's actually picking it up?[6~
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[11:29] <malgar> signal lost at launch site
[11:30] <SgtBurned> it would be behind the hill right now
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[11:33] <iz2kzv> is the chasing car... chasing?
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[11:40] <malgar> iz2kzv: yes
[11:40] <malgar> willi_: ciao
[11:40] <malgar> 3000 m
[11:40] <malgar> parachute is working
[11:40] <malgar> two stations receiveing
[11:41] <malgar> got sms from the gsm tracker
[11:41] <malgar> gsm network linked :)
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[11:42] <iz2kzv> wow
[11:42] <iz2kzv> 2200m signal fading
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[11:43] <iz2kzv> gps hung again
[11:45] <iz2kzv> no more signal
[11:45] <iz2kzv> too low
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[11:48] <iz2kzv> it should be landed
[11:59] <malgar> yes
[11:59] <malgar> I get sms from the same position
[11:59] <malgar> 45.969009 , 12.356848
[11:59] <malgar> :)
[12:01] <malgar> close to a road
[12:03] <in3aqk> so go luck
[12:04] <iz2kzv> speriamo che non sia in casa di qualcuno :-9
[12:05] <in3aqk> no dai vedari che sarà appoggiata ad una panchina
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[12:29] <brix_> malgar where is it
[12:29] <brix_> !!
[12:29] <malgar> landed near vittorio veneto
[12:29] <malgar> :)
[12:29] <malgar> now the chasing car is getting closer
[12:29] <brix_> :D
[12:29] <brix_> chasing car? who is that
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[12:29] <malgar> landing coordinates 45.969009 , 12.356848
[12:30] <malgar> my friends with radio going to recover the payload
[12:30] <brix_> isn't it faster to find the phone number of the garden's owner and tell him there's a balloon in his yard
[12:31] <brix_> :D
[12:31] <malgar> yeah ahaha that's a good idea
[12:32] <brix_> there is a Restaurant Da Renzo there, you could offer the guy a lunch
[12:32] <brix_> eheh
[12:32] <malgar> :D
[12:32] <brix_> well done, congratulations!
[12:32] <brix_> !!
[12:32] <malgar> I hope that everything worked with the camera
[12:32] <brix_> everything worked perfectly (ok the gps...)
[12:32] <brix_> ah ok
[12:32] <malgar> let's wait
[12:32] <malgar> :)
[12:32] <brix_> ;)
[12:32] <malgar> anyway a great adventure :)
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[12:40] <malgar> payload recovered :D
[12:40] <malgar> :D
[12:40] <ibanezmatt13> congrats
[12:40] <in3aqk> perfect
[12:40] <Upu> that was easy :)
[12:41] <malgar> the chasers said that the box seems perfect
[12:43] <Upu> when is the other one going up ?
[12:43] <malgar> tomorrow morning
[12:43] <Upu> oh ok
[12:43] <Upu> very organised well done
[12:43] <malgar> I hope the camera worked
[12:44] <malgar> we have to understand why the gps wasn't working in some part of the ascent
[12:44] <malgar> strange bug
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[12:50] <malgar> camara is still working tnx to energizer lithium ultimate
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[13:02] <brix_> no spamming please!!
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[13:43] <malgar> https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/10444787_538263059617787_2317912445558391284_n.jpg unfocused
[13:43] <malgar> :unfortunately the focus settings didn't work
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[13:43] <daveake> nice pic
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[14:07] <mattbrejza> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/32-GB-HD-Spy-Digital-Remote-Video-Camera-Fob-Keyring-Camcorder-Mini-DVR-Cam-Pen-/221077419432?pt=UK_CCTV&hash=item33793db5a8
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[14:08] <mattbrejza> (not for use within 2m of a gps without Al foil :)
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[14:29] <aadamson> mattbrejza, guys take those and put them on little tiny 2/3 axis gimbals as well :)
[14:29] <aadamson> in the RC arena
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[14:55] <Tramvai> Hi guys
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[14:59] <fsphil> afternoon Tramvai
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[15:00] <Tramvai> Working on my hab project again. :) Was in the army for a year
[15:01] <Tramvai> Added the LM2596 voltage regulator to the setup. What voltage should I set it to? I assume it degrades as the input degrades...?
[15:01] <Tramvai> I set it to exactly 5V with an input of ~9.8V (6xAA)
[15:02] <fsphil> the output voltage won't start dropping until the input drops below the output + the dropout voltage
[15:03] <fsphil> your output voltage will be determined by whatever devices you're powering
[15:03] <Tramvai> Oh, so it won't drop unless the input is under 5V?
[15:04] <fsphil> 5V + the regulator's drop out voltage
[15:04] <fsphil> you can find that in the datasheet
[15:04] <Tramvai> I tested it with it connected to the Arduino setup, 5V
[15:06] <fsphil> ah, the LM2596 is a switching regulator
[15:06] <fsphil> that's different
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[15:07] <Tramvai> I assumed the LM2596 is common here
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[15:09] <fsphil> not used it myself, others may have
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[15:11] <cionki> hi
[15:12] <Tramvai> Hi
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[15:12] <cionki> we collected the "atlantis" payload :)
[15:12] <cionki> 29gb of videos and photos
[15:12] <cionki> :)
[15:13] <Tramvai> :S
[15:13] <Tramvai> Why does my transmitter flip shit every time I move my Arduino setup even slightly?
[15:13] <cionki> Iwas searching the web application to visualize the telemetry data
[15:14] <cionki> i don't remember the url, and now i'm not able to find it
[15:14] <Upu> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/
[15:14] <cionki> thank you upu :)
[15:14] <Upu> nps
[15:15] <Tramvai> http://i.imgur.com/TpqpJHB.png I turned my Arduino on its side to adjust the GPS antenna towards the sky
[15:15] <Tramvai> The signal remained strong, but the transmission is a failure
[15:15] <Tramvai> The antenna didn't even move
[15:16] <Tramvai> Can someone explain that to me please?
[15:17] <SiC> black magic
[15:17] <SiC> :p
[15:18] <SiC> have you got a picture of your setup?
[15:18] <Tramvai> Sure
[15:18] <LeoBodnar> Electronics is a study of bad connections
[15:18] <Tramvai> https://www.dropbox.com/s/oqutnmhwtltuw5a/2014-06-05%2014.56.08.jpg
[15:19] <SiC> so true LeoBodnar
[15:20] <Upu> I expect if you touch any of that for weird things to happen
[15:20] <Upu> in fact if you touched it and nothing happened that would be wierd
[15:20] <Tramvai> Is it really that bad? x.x
[15:20] <Upu> no its just plug board with push in connections
[15:21] <gonzo_> usinmg a breadboard, pretty much
[15:21] <Upu> you will spend 90% of your time diagnosing faults that are due to the plug board
[15:21] <Upu> rather than the circuit
[15:21] <Upu> get it on soldered strip board asap
[15:21] <Tramvai> I didn't really want to solder it all together till I have it all set up
[15:21] <Upu> sure
[15:21] <Upu> understood
[15:21] <Upu> but as soon as its working -. solder
[15:21] <Upu> -> even
[15:21] <Tramvai> How would I go about connecting all these things though?
[15:21] <gonzo_> dead bug build is better tbh
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[15:24] <daveake> I'm doing such a thing right now
[15:24] <daveake> And for added nostalgia, Lassen
[15:24] <Upu> there is nothing wrong with what you've done Tramvai
[15:24] <Upu> its relatively neat
[15:24] <Upu> whats happening anyway ?
[15:25] <Tramvai> It's flipping shit on me
[15:26] <Upu> lol
[15:26] <Upu> could you be more descriptive ?
[15:26] <Tramvai> http://i.imgur.com/TpqpJHB.png
[15:27] <Tramvai> I turned it so the antenna would be pointing to the sky
[15:27] <Tramvai> And the transmission turned to jibberish. Antenna didn't move... signal remained
[15:27] <Upu> turn SQL off
[15:27] <Upu> when it goes crappy
[15:27] <Upu> press RV
[15:27] <Upu> probably not that but worth a try
[15:27] <Upu> oh hang on
[15:27] <Upu> how is your GPS connected to the Arduino ?
[15:28] <Upu> software serial ?
[15:28] <Tramvai> As far as I remember, yeah
[15:28] <Upu> ok try this
[15:28] <Upu> did you follow my sample code from the Wiki ?
[15:28] <Upu> to make the NTX2B work
[15:29] <Tramvai> I did the code for it a year ago, I don't remember really. Let me look it up. :P
[15:29] <Upu> ok well look try this
[15:29] <Upu> basic rule of trouble shooting
[15:29] <Upu> you need to isolate whats causing the issue
[15:29] <Upu> so take the GPS out of the equation
[15:29] <Upu> make a basic program that transmits RTTY
[15:29] <Upu> put nothing in there that isn't needed i.e Software serial
[15:30] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[15:30] <Upu> get that transmitting
[15:30] <Upu> poke and prod your circuit and see if you can replicate the issue
[15:30] <Upu> if, as I suspect , you can't
[15:30] <Upu> readd the GPS
[15:30] <Upu> I think the Software serial which uses interupts is messing with the timing
[15:31] <Tramvai> How come it works perfectly fine for a time then?
[15:31] Action: Upu shrugs
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[15:35] <Tramvai> Restarted it and it works again.
[15:35] <Tramvai> Let's see if it can a GPS lock
[15:36] <Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-DWm7nQwy4
[15:37] <Tramvai> Got a lock in 2 minutes and hasn't gone apeshit yet
[15:37] <Tramvai> Maybe it IS the wiring...
[15:39] <SiC> -maybe
[15:39] <SiC> the variable in this is the movement
[15:39] <Upu> lol
[15:40] <SiC> connections are the likely one that duffs things up
[15:41] <fsphil> connections are always a weak link
[15:41] <SiC> just ask nasa
[15:41] <Tramvai> Ha
[15:42] <SiC> http://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/other/4307024/Triple-Redundant-Space-Station-Computers-Crippled-by-Single-Point-Connector-Failure
[15:43] <SiC> the fix is awesome :)
[15:43] <fsphil> "When the cosmonauts disconnected the affected cables, the connector pins were wet"
[15:43] <fsphil> !
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[15:45] <SiC> "To add to their headaches, the cosmonauts discovered that one of the new cables was about 40 centimeters shorter than the one it was supposed to replace--and it wouldn't reach. After careful visual inspection of the original cable , the cosmonauts decided there were no signs of corrosion, so there was no need to replace it. They also decided to rig a thermal barrier out of a surplus
[15:45] <SiC> reference book and all-purpose gray tape. As a last step, they removed the jumper cables, verified the system was functional, and closed the access panels."
[15:45] <SiC> gray tape == duct tape
[15:46] <Tramvai> Ordered a new stripboard... mine had "vertical" lines, it doesn't seem to be enough for all the stuff I have.
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[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[17:50] <ibanezmatt13> AMD balloon flight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af7Q0puT17g&feature=youtu.be&cid=social_20140605_25377986
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[18:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> good evening all
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[18:17] <LeoBodnar> AMD. yawn. someone should ask local plumber if they want to send some shit to the edge of space
[18:19] <ibanezmatt13> lol
[18:19] <Upu> U Bend In Space
[18:19] <arko> sheep
[18:19] <arko> lol
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[18:20] <Upu> you're too young to remember Sheep in Space arko
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[18:20] <arko> on the c64?
[18:20] <Upu> yup
[18:20] <LeoBodnar> or send green screen to the edge of space and sell the footage
[18:20] <arko> i played that before ;)
[18:20] <arko> wow leo, thats brilliant
[18:21] <Upu> lol
[18:21] <Upu> now thats not a bad idea :)
[18:21] <Upu> 2 cameras one above the other, one with a green screen one without
[18:21] <arko> http://c64s.com/game/101188/sheep_in_space/
[18:21] <Upu> no java
[18:21] <arko> plus that app has vuln
[18:22] <arko> plus i've been playing this game a lot http://habexproject.org/spot/
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[18:22] <arko> daveake: ^ great game to play
[18:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> all: is there aprs -> habitat importer script availabla to download? I want to add compressed log parser/uploader
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[18:23] <Upu> 1 sec Tom there is a script
[18:24] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: ok, tnx
[18:25] <Upu> https://github.com/rossengeorgiev/hab-tools
[18:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> thanks :-)
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[18:32] <Tramvai> Hey guys. We have an external battery to use as power to our HAB flight. Any thoughts on using this: http://www.dx.com/p/282320 ?
[18:37] <Upu> no
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[18:37] <Upu> not even looked
[18:37] <Upu> but dx.com
[18:37] <Upu> no
[18:37] <Upu> Energizer Lithium Ultimates
[18:38] <Upu> accept no substitute
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[18:38] <Upu> 146g...
[18:38] <Upu> lol
[18:44] <Tramvai> Pretty much the same as 6xAA
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[18:46] <Tramvai> The temperature in the isolated box shouldn't fall into minus anyway.
[18:46] <Tramvai> Why would the battery bank NOT work?
[18:49] <LeoBodnar> for technical reasons
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[18:51] <LeoBodnar> what keeps "isolated box" warm inside?
[18:52] <cnelson> physics?
[18:53] <arko> could take the nasa approach and put little bits of Pu to keep it warm
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[18:54] <ProSpectre> Evening gents
[18:56] Action: arko waits for someone to say handwarmers
[18:56] Action: bertrik was thinking it
[18:56] <cnelson> s/Pu/PUA/
[18:56] <SpeedEvil> Tramvai: Do not believe the capacity given on those. At best, they can be stating the capacity of the raw cell - before boost.
[18:56] <SpeedEvil> Tramvai: At worst, they can be using recycled laptop cells with a third of the nominal capacity.
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> (I've got one of those)
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> Aso - there is a _lot_ of extra weight
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[18:57] <SpeedEvil> The 'technical reasons' - the cells in those die at ~0C or so.
[18:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> arko: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eMkB24Ypqo skip to 1:42 :-)
[18:59] <arko> :'( why
[18:59] <arko> handwarmers are never a legit solution...
[18:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> arko: that was one of my first flights
[19:00] <arko> haha
[19:00] <arko> its ok, you do awesome flights now anyway
[19:00] <arko> i cant make fun of you anyway
[19:00] <arko> my first hab was 6lbs and 35W
[19:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> 6lbs
[19:00] <arko> im a recovering haboholic
[19:00] <arko> yep, got an faa waiver for it
[19:01] <arko> i've been doing picos to make up for it
[19:01] <arko> 10mW 33g
[19:01] <cnelson> arko: wtf weighed 6lbs? batteries?
[19:01] <arko> its come a long weigh
[19:01] <arko> cnelson: HABEX-1
[19:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> 2.72 kg ? Wow.. heavy
[19:01] <cnelson> arko: I meant, what in habex-1 generated all that weight?
[19:01] <arko> batteries
[19:02] <arko> i did giant RC car batteries
[19:02] <arko> i feel embaressed sharing this
[19:02] <LeoBodnar> steel frame
[19:02] <arko> LeoBodnar: almost believe it or not
[19:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> my lightiest payload was about 15 grams (with 7.5 g AAA)
[19:02] <LeoBodnar> i know
[19:02] <arko> https://www.flickr.com/photos/36181973@N00/
[19:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: LOL
[19:03] <arko> i want to punch past arko
[19:03] <arko> im recovering though, spent my rehab here
[19:03] <cnelson> I always say, if you look at past projects and don't hate them and see better ways to do it now, then it's time to stop doing that thing
[19:03] <LeoBodnar> show us the steel frame
[19:03] <arko> learning to make lighter payloads
[19:03] <LeoBodnar> :D
[19:03] <cnelson> code / art / engineering / whatever
[19:04] <arko> LeoBodnar: https://www.flickr.com/photos/36181973@N00/5044588325/
[19:04] <LeoBodnar> ah, yeah!
[19:04] <arko> cnelson: word dude
[19:04] <arko> so true
[19:04] <cnelson> old nsl :(
[19:04] <arko> yeah man
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[19:04] <arko> look how empty the space was
[19:04] <cnelson> I gotta go check the new space when I get to LA in a couple weeks
[19:04] <arko> yeah man!
[19:04] <arko> come visit!
[19:04] <cnelson> I will
[19:05] <arko> i setup my desk and now im unpacking
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[19:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> arko: what was in orange box ?
[19:05] <arko> we got a lot of boxes to unpack over the next week
[19:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> arko: batteries ;-) ?
[19:05] <cnelson> surprised it's not unpacked yet, I mean there was a lot of stuff, but...
[19:05] <arko> hahahaha
[19:05] <cnelson> although I guess L1, then L1 recovery got in the way of space build out
[19:05] <arko> nah, model rocket DF beacon
[19:06] <arko> yeah dude, layerone killed us
[19:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> http://www.akumulatory24.pl/images/allegro_foto/acumax/aml12-12%20(4).JPG
[19:06] <arko> M is still soldering badges
[19:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> next time use this one :-)
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[19:07] <arko> hahaha
[19:07] <arko> where is Upu
[19:07] <arko> need a muricapico picture
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[19:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> ISS is approaching
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[19:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.helloearth.us/
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[19:23] <Rebounder> SpeedEvil: it's very cool. though would be nnice to have a url for vlc or similar
[19:23] <Rebounder> hen as background on tv etc
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> It's got issues for that.
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> The camera progression sucks - there are large gaps between them.
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> Because of the shitty spec, the cameras do not do long exposure at night.
[19:25] <SpeedEvil> And some of the cameras have real issues with lens flare.
[19:25] <SpeedEvil> Also, there are extended periods when it's out of range.
[19:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> well alligned 1Watt green laser should be visible during night pass
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> A processed feed, taking out the gaps would be good.
[19:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> Challenge accepted :-)
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> SP9UOB-Tom: way ahead of you there. :)
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> I tried that with the previous camera - diddn't get it to work - I was just hand-holding it though
[19:27] <SpeedEvil> A guided LASER would of course be better
[19:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> 1 have 100mW im my drawer, but loads of clouds now
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> Need a bigger LASER to burn through clouds.
[19:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> orbitron and small precise az/el rotor should do the job
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[19:38] <aadamson> sheesh around here a green laser pointed to the sky would land you in jail faster than you want to think about it... to many idiots pointing them at aircrafts so they are pretty much dis-allowed, but not purchase restricted
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[19:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> i jave iss now on 145.825 MHz
[19:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> *have
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> Pointing at aircraft is illegal.
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> Pointing at ISS is not illegal.
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> (and at that distance is not remotely harmful even if an astronaut was to look at it with binoculars)
[19:45] <cnelson> Have fun explaining that distinction when a plane flies between you and the ISS
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> Sure - if you're not watching it the beam area - you deserve all you get
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[19:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> cnelson: the same as airborne ham operation is illegal in UK, but ISS APRS is legal over UK :)
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[19:48] <SpeedEvil> Airborne ham. The most expensive sort of ham. Those flying pigs are hard to cathc.
[19:48] <cnelson> There's a when pigs fly... joke in here somewhere
[19:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> haha
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[19:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> well... flying cows, that would be really hmm... odd ;-)
[19:50] <aadamson> around here it doesn't matter if it's plane or iss, if it's pointed in the air, dark and can be seen, expect the police to knock on your door, they really have zero tolerance
[19:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> aadamson: well im using it to show my kids constellations on the sky
[19:51] <aadamson> hehe... yeah I know... just saying i the US, there are so many stories of people being *put in jail* just for pointing one in the sky... not sure what your local restrictions if any are, but be careful... it's the green one moreso than any other color too at the moment.
[19:52] <sp2ipt> re
[19:52] <zyp> http://www.rocketrange.no/?page_id=19 <- I used to live next to this, lasers in the sky were a common sight
[19:52] <aadamson> we just had a helicopter *almost* accident when one was flashed across the sky and reflected of the pilots visor, creating a blinding effect due to all the refraction
[19:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> aadamson: yeah, in US they are printing on MCdonald cupt that the coffe is hot
[19:54] <aadamson> hehe... indeed... you can't fix stupidity :)
[19:55] <aadamson> sheesh, it's no wonder a balloon might have a hard time trying to beacon through the ISS, was just looking on line and so many *how to's* say set your mobile to 50W!!! :(
[19:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> aadamson: ;-) this is killing natural selection ;-)
[19:56] <aadamson> Tom that was a good one!
[19:57] <aadamson> maybe we sould tell them that *rf bounce off the solar panels might work at 50W, but you certainly don't need 50W to talk to or be heard through the ISS
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[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane_
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[20:01] <mclane_> Hello Lunar_Lander
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[20:02] <mclane_> good
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[20:02] <mclane_> and for you?
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> same here, thanks
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[21:01] <Upu> arko https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/Funny/pico.jpg
[21:01] <arko> thank you :)
[21:01] <arko> cnelson: ^^
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi Anthony and arko
[21:02] <arko> yoyoyo
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, are you up for a short idea discussion?
[21:03] <Upu> dog needs a walk
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[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
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[21:11] <SpeedEvil> It's somewhat contended?
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> oops
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[21:58] <DL7AD> evening
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[22:20] <lz1dev> Upu: there is no CPU in the socket :(
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[22:21] <ian__> Uses a virtual MPU :)
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:22] <lz1dev> one of the batteries is not connect
[22:22] <lz1dev> how is hte marker supposed to read the cd
[22:22] <ian__> Cloud based
[22:22] <lz1dev> ;\
[22:22] <lz1dev> is that how cloud services are created?
[22:22] <lz1dev> TIL
[22:22] <ian__> Read the CD? No, it's the logging device.
[22:23] <lz1dev> does that data density beat blueray?
[22:23] <ian__> Fly high, land hard . . .
[22:23] <ian__> Similar data density as Stingray (puppets)
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> http://www.helloearth.us/
[22:28] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if the weather models have inputs as high resolution.
[22:28] Nick change: heathkid|2 -> heathkid
[22:28] <SpeedEvil> And if it could in principle be a useful input. (ISS cam)
[22:32] <lz1dev> arent there sats
[22:32] <lz1dev> that do cloud pictures
[22:33] <lz1dev> for exactly that purpose?
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[22:48] <blondieswuk> hello?
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[22:49] <blondieswuk> im in the uk and interested in sending up a high altitude balloon
[22:49] <blondieswuk> is this the place to be? for advice
[22:51] <mikestir> yes, but probably not at midnight :)
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[22:52] <mikestir> I take it you have already come across the ukhas wiki?
[22:52] <blondieswuk> ill pop back another time...thanks for the reply...im a night owl...heheheh
[22:52] <SpeedEvil> Sigh - nice ISS pass - but of course cloudy
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[22:52] <blondieswuk> yeh im reading through it as we speak
[22:53] Nick change: WillTablet -> Flerb
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[22:57] <mikestir> SpeedEvil: there were some good passes this time last year with several days of clear skies. Got some nice photos
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[23:22] <malclocke> I'm still struggling with my dob to get a good pic of the ISS, never seem to get all the pieces to come together
[23:23] <malclocke> my best so far :( https://twitter.com/malclocke/status/340617766568599552/photo/1
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> Not bad - I don't know why you included an x-wing and a pigeon though.
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> :)
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[23:42] <hellodarling> hello
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[23:47] <malclocke> SpeedEvil, size comparison :)
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[23:56] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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