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[01:04] <aadamson> Laurenceb_, any chance you are still around?
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[03:25] <arko> AF5LI feels groovy
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[04:06] <lz1dev> did it touch the ground at one point
[04:06] <lz1dev> ?
[04:07] <arko> no way to prove one way or the other
[04:08] <lz1dev> grass marks on the payload
[04:08] <lz1dev> >:)
[04:08] <arko> haha
[04:11] <lz1dev> could've been easily caught by trees in that area
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[04:11] <lz1dev> or maybe it did get caught, and someone released it
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[08:38] <fsphil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-27665047
[08:38] <fsphil> spot the BS bit
[08:38] <Upu> yeah
[08:38] <Upu> Chipling would not hold them
[08:39] <Upu> I would :)
[08:41] <fsphil> I wonder if it's a typo, maybe they meant Austria
[08:42] <daveake> Upu I do believe it was your plane but I did the launching, so I hold it :p
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[08:50] <LeoBodnar> "buffered around" wtf?
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[09:05] <tweetBot> @G7IGB: Educational STEM 434.3 MHz balloon launch today: Continuing his Science, Technology... http://t.co/5JLPKu6QIC #hamradio #ukhas
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[09:18] <navrac_work> Suffolk coastal council are voting today on banning all helium balloon releases on council owned land - trying to get hold of a councilllor to point out this buggers up schools doing any hab launches
[09:18] <fsphil> why?
[09:18] <navrac_work> because the balloons are litter and could strangle animals apparently
[09:19] <daveake> Suffolk coast?
[09:19] <navrac_work> just heard the councillor on the radio whilst driving - great to annonce it and then go into hiding so theres no time to put an opposing view forward
[09:19] <daveake> Where do they think they'll land??
[09:19] <navrac_work> yep suffolk coastal
[09:20] <navrac_work> apparently in animal feed bins
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[09:20] <navrac_work> they've lumped them with skylanterns as a package which seems silly
[09:22] <gonzo_> all go to H2 then
[09:22] <fsphil> H2 sky landern
[09:22] <fsphil> t*
[09:22] <daveake> haha
[09:23] <gonzo_> a few m^3 of H2 and a wick, that would be an interesting wompf
[09:24] <gonzo_> if you loof for hydrogen/oxygen balloon on youtube, there are some very stupid ones
[09:24] <fsphil> yes
[09:25] <fsphil> impressive and stupid, and sometimes impressivly stupid
[09:25] <gonzo_> the huge mylar one at about 20ft above peoples heads was the worst
[09:25] <SIbot> In real units: 20 ft = 6.10 m
[09:25] <gonzo_> 7777777777777898989898989898989898989898989232323232323232323232323ft
[09:25] <SIbot> In real units: 777777777777 ft = 237066667 km
[09:27] <cm13g09-work> gonzo_: Sigh - sounds like somebody in contention for a Darwin award there....
[09:29] <gonzo_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMB2VR0087w
[09:31] <gonzo_> A party balloon with a mix will go off like a 12bore. Anything more than that is just too risky to be holding onto whilst filling
[09:31] <fsphil> the guy growling afterwards is a bit odd
[09:31] <gonzo_> given the low ignition energy of h2
[09:31] <gonzo_> wonder how much hearing damage was caused
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[10:14] <DL7AD> 0ft
[10:14] <SIbot> In real units: 0 ft = 0.00 m
[10:14] <DL7AD> morning
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[10:23] <sp2ipt> hi
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[10:30] <DL7AD> hi sp2ipt
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[11:25] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
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[11:25] <Lunar_LanderU> UpuWork: NTX2B tutorial Part 1 and 2 tested on Arduino Uno, works like a charm
[11:26] <Lunar_LanderU> very nice unit by the fact that it does not need any extra circuitry anymore when used on PWN
[11:26] <Lunar_LanderU> PWM
[11:27] <fsphil> the old ntx2 didn't either
[11:27] <Laurenceb__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lPEg83vF_Tw
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[11:28] <Lunar_LanderU> oh ok
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[11:58] <PE2G> GA, is AF5LI-11 APRS only?
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[12:02] <DutchMillbt> Strage flightpath for AF5Li-11 by the way
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[12:04] <G8APZ> It does not seem to be travelling at any speed...
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[12:07] <PE2G> DutchMillbt: Its current heading is in accordance with the wind at that alt
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[12:09] <PE2G> Lindenberg (Berlin) 00Z: http://weather.uwyo.edu/cgi-bin/sounding?region=europe&TYPE=TEXT%3ALIST&YEAR=2014&MONTH=06&FROM=0300&TO=0300&STNM=10393
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[12:10] <chrisstubbsw> Afternoon all
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[12:11] <DutchMillbt> Oke thankz PE2G
[12:11] <SgtBurned> Afternoon chrisstubbsw
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[12:14] <chrisstubbsw> its chucking it down here, looks rain free for the launch in harlow but will be cloudy
[12:15] <SgtBurned> Chucking it down everywhere but here :)
[12:15] <fsphil> summers day here
[12:15] <chrisstubbsw> Wonder if I need any extra free lift in the foil to get it through the clouds?
[12:15] <SgtBurned> English summer or "Normal" summer
[12:15] <chrisstubbsw> 24.5g payload all in
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[12:16] <fsphil> I'm not in England, but definitly not normal :)
[12:16] <fsphil> the sun is out, has been for a few days
[12:16] <fsphil> most unusual
[12:17] <SgtBurned> strange... Have you tried turning it off and on again? Maybe its still stuck in loading?
[12:17] <chrisstubbsw> ping LeoBodnar
[12:17] <fsphil> I should install it in the cloud
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[12:19] <SgtBurned> maybe garbage collection? Is the universe running python?
[12:19] <SgtBurned> Clouds not in use for a day = Deleted.
[12:20] <fsphil> I worry about a language where one can True = False
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[12:23] <SgtBurned> Lots of languages let us do that :D Quite fun to be honest. Especially if you do it to someone elses code and they don't notice.
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[12:33] Nick change: Oddstr13 -> Oddstr21
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[12:36] <malgar> hi
[12:36] <mfa298> seeing back a bit, currently dry down here but the clouds are very threatening
[12:36] <malgar> could you take a look at the logtail?
[12:36] <malgar> i have problems
[12:37] <malgar> Exception in UKHAS main parse: ValueError: Incorrect number of fields (got 11, expect 10)
[12:37] <malgar> the string is
[12:37] <malgar> $$ATLANTIS,24,,0.000000,0.000000,0,0,0,24.0,25.7,0,*5004
[12:37] <mfa298> that means you sent 11 fields but the payload doc only knows about 10
[12:37] <malgar> but they are 10
[12:37] <mfa298> you need a payload doc that matches the sentence
[12:38] <malgar> yes I know but they are 10
[12:38] <mfa298> the commas say 11
[12:38] <mfa298> remove the final ,
[12:38] <malgar> ahhhh! that's right
[12:38] <malgar> :D
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[12:44] <malgar> mfa298: but comma is required before checksum
[12:44] <mfa298> malgar: im pretty sure it shouldnt be
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[12:50] <PE2G> DL7AD, do you have any info on AF5LI-11 ?
[12:51] <DL7AD> PE2G: yep. mylar qualatex 36" aprs only (100mW, vertical, transmission every 2min), lithium AA (will hold probably 40h)
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[12:52] <PE2G> DL7AD, OK thanks!
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[13:13] <amell> http://spacecollege.org/isee3/isee-3-reboot-project-update-bullseye-and-more.html - they are doing well :)
[13:14] <amell> Now where have I heard the name Phil Karn before&
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[13:21] <G8APZ> Phil Karn first wrote the software for a CP/M system and then ported it to DOS on the IBM PC
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[13:22] <G8APZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KA9Q
[13:22] <amell> G8APZ: ah yes, that will be it : Karn DOS. all those extra lines in CONFIG.SYS :)
[13:22] <G8APZ> early implementation of packet radio
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[13:24] <amell> i take it B-54 burst& just noticed.
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[13:25] <amell> chrisstubbs: what time are you planning to launch
[13:25] <amell> oh, he left
[13:25] <G8APZ> amell yes, it burst off the coast of Algeria whilst heading towards the gap between Sicily and Sardinia
[13:25] <G8APZ> 2:30 was the plan
[13:25] <SgtBurned> amell: B-54 Went yesterday at about 2pm / 3pm
[13:26] <G8APZ> don't know if he's on track for that
[13:26] <amell> shame. wonder when B-55 leaves the production line
[13:26] <amell> we have expectations now!
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[13:28] <malgar> could someone delete the atlantis balloon from the map? tnx
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[13:30] <SgtBurned> Wait, atlantis went down 10m ?
[13:31] <DL7AD> PE2G: ah and dont take care about the voltage. its incorrect due to an error on the pcb.
[13:31] <amell> its his balloon..
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[13:34] <G8APZ> Any launch news from the Cheapo12 launch site?
[13:35] <chrisstubbsM> Yep just about to fill the balloon now
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[13:35] <domlin> well, in about 30 minutes...
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[13:35] <G8APZ> OK I'm your nearest listener, so let me know when TX is on, and I'll check if I receive it! Good luck
[13:36] <G8APZ> 15 km away from Harlow
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[13:37] <malgar> I see in spacenear.us that the units for speed are km/h for horizontal speed and m/s for vertical. Is this the default? what if we will use m/s also for horizontal speed?
[13:38] <fsphil> amell: Phil Karn also wrote the Reed-Solomon code I'm using in SSDV
[13:38] <amell> didnt he have something to do with RTT calculations in tcpip
[13:39] <fsphil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karn%27s_Algorithm
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[13:39] <amell> yeah, tcp retransmits
[13:39] <amell> prolific chap isnt he
[13:39] <fsphil> he worked on arissat to iirc
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[13:46] <G8APZ> domlin chrisstubbsM let me know when TX is on, and I'll check if I receive it - I am 15km away from Harlow
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[13:47] <domlin> it's on now as of 30 seconds ago, we're inside a building though :)
[13:47] <G8APZ> domlin that'll be a good reason why I cannot hear it!!
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[13:52] <domlin> chrisstubbsMs is currently trying to get a GPS fix
[13:52] <domlin> not himself obviously... the payload
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[13:56] <chrisstubbsM> wow its sunny out here!
[13:56] <fsphil> it won't last
[13:58] <domlin> you having a bad time chrisstubbsM ?
[13:58] <chrisstubbsM> yep still nothing, can you bring the screwdriver down?
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[13:58] <chrisstubbsM> out the door at the bottom of the stairs
[13:58] <chrisstubbsM> hold that
[13:58] <domlin> we are late
[13:58] <chrisstubbsM> we have a fix!
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[13:59] <domlin> coming back up?
[13:59] <chrisstubbsM> are we on the map?
[14:00] <domlin> yes
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[14:06] <SgtBurned> domlin: Whats the status code?
[14:06] <Laurenceb__> http://assystem.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/logo_with_text4.png
[14:06] <Laurenceb__> i lolled
[14:06] <domlin> SgtBurned: chrisstubbsM can't remember :p it's either flight mode & power save?
[14:07] <SgtBurned> Haha nice.
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[14:07] <domlin> -either
[14:08] <SgtBurned> Looks like you are going to scotland today
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[14:12] <chrisstubbsM> A tour of the east coast at least! https://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/168324_trj001.gif
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[14:13] <amell> whats the freq for cheapo-12?
[14:14] <G8APZ> 50 baud 7n2 RTTY on 434.300MHz with ~450Hz shift
[14:14] <amell> great. booting my stuff up
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[14:19] <amell> http://i.imgur.com/noRNNad.png - does this look normal to you guys? i cant find the source of my ism interference...
[14:20] <G8APZ> There is no such thing as normal in spectrum terms... interference can be very localised. Normal would be NO signals in an ideal world!
[14:21] <amell> okay, does mine look worse than you might expect...
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> amell: Meaningless.
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> amell: What are you connecting it to?
[14:21] <amell> X-50 via habamp
[14:21] <amell> X-50 in the loft.
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> Most obvious step would be to blank off the input of the habamp.
[14:21] <amell> seem to have a lot of peaks.
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[14:21] <SpeedEvil> Does the signal go away.
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> The four large and two small peaks next to each other smell of a data transmission.
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[14:23] <amell> yes, i wonder where from
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> Actually - it's more than that
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> Looks like about 8
[14:24] <amell> wtf& disconnected and reconnected aerial and its gone
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> hah
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> Now, the fun part.
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> Was that a real signal, or local conducted interference because the plug wasn't on right
[14:26] <amell> i am suspicious of the SMAs&
[14:27] <SgtBurned> NSA were listening to your signals... *Conspiracy*
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[14:27] <mfa298> if you've got rp-sma's in there, cut them off, replace with real sma's and burn the rp-smas
[14:28] <amell> im sure none of them are rp-smas
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[14:30] <amell> http://i.imgur.com/Ss2tyYd.png
[14:30] <gonzo_> rp ones are only for coputer types, not real radio men
[14:30] <Paul_2E0PFX> whats the ETA for launch?
[14:31] <gonzo_> imminent I recon
[14:31] <amell> this is very different wf.
[14:31] <G8APZ> http://www.sown.org.uk/wiki/Connectors/SMA_and_RP-SMA
[14:31] <fsphil> the weirdest interference is the ones generated by the radio itself
[14:31] <fsphil> they sometimes follow the frequency or move opposite to it
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[14:32] <G8APZ> well a £10 dongle isn't a "real radio" LOL
[14:32] <nats`> fsphil yay it's like peeing on your own shoes :D
[14:32] <amell> this seems to look better, im getting occasional transmissions now
[14:32] <fsphil> not the mental image I had nats`, but sorta yea ;)
[14:32] <amell> funcube is too expensive
[14:32] <nats`> tbh I wrote the most sane I had in mind :D
[14:33] <fsphil> that's scary nats`
[14:33] <nats`> amell is it for occasional stuff ?
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[14:33] <amell> yes. and half the challenge is pushing the hardware as far as you can
[14:33] <G8APZ> The altitude of CHEAPO on the launch site is crazy... the site is 80-90m asl but the height on the telemetry says as low as 36m
[14:33] <nats`> oky because ebay is full of interesting older radio for itneresting price
[14:33] <fsphil> the FCD is nice but yea no point getting one for occasional use
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[14:33] <amell> i was getting Bs mid channel - pleased with that.
[14:33] <nats`> I mean by stalking long enough you can find good priced txer
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[14:34] <G8APZ> looks as though they have moved outside and walking round the building so launch must be soon
[14:34] <fsphil> amell: did you get your habamp working?
[14:34] <amell> yes, its on now. that WF was through the habamp
[14:34] <nats`> fsphil did I tell you I got an icom rc-10 ?
[14:34] <fsphil> nice
[14:34] <nats`> for 135$
[14:34] <SgtBurned> G8APZ: Looks like they indeed are :)
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[14:35] <fsphil> also nice
[14:35] <amell> just a frontend overload issue. hardware AGC overloads it even more, so i am just using manual LNA gain control
[14:35] <amell> anyone here use gqrx?
[14:35] <fsphil> I don't own an actual scanner
[14:35] <fsphil> unless you count the usb dongles
[14:36] <fsphil> I'm using it under linux amell
[14:36] <amell> id love to know if its possible to zoom in on the waterfall. I cant find how to do it in the manual
[14:36] <chrisstubbsM> up
[14:36] <chrisstubbsM> 434.299670MHz
[14:36] <G8APZ> It's up
[14:36] <amell> is it actually above the horizon, or up ?:)
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[14:37] <fsphil> amell: move the mouse to the little frequency indicator line (just above the waterfall)
[14:37] <fsphil> and use the mouse wheel to zoom
[14:37] <DL7AD_mobile> Hi
[14:37] <amell> Ah! fsphil thank you!
[14:37] <fsphil> "FFT Settings" and press R to reset it back to normal zoom
[14:39] <amell> anyone heard it yet?
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[14:40] <fsphil> is this a pico or latex launch?
[14:40] <amell> picolatex
[14:40] <fsphil> ok
[14:40] <SgtBurned> If it lands near nottingham I'd be happy to retrieve it for you.
[14:40] <fsphil> it may get high enough for me to receive then
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[14:42] <amell> i see it. just not strong enough to decode yet
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[14:42] <fsphil> oh foil balloon
[14:42] <fsphil> no hope for me
[14:43] <amell> foil? oh.. i thought it was latex
[14:43] <gonzo_> up she goes
[14:44] <chrisstubbsM> yeah foil balloon
[14:44] <chrisstubbsM> we are going to start our presentation, good luck guys!
[14:45] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/AusQXzv.png
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[14:45] <fsphil> good luck!
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[14:58] <amell> got it loud and clear
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[14:59] <G8APZ> Good.. for the record it is on 300 with the lower tone on 1000Hz
[14:59] <amell> i have lower tone on 1060 ish
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[15:03] <cm13g09-work> mfa298: ping
[15:04] <amell> 58.62km, 1.6 ele. not bad
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[15:08] <amell> getting v loud
[15:08] <amell> the house may collapse with the sound of rtty here
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[15:09] <SgtBurned> amell: Only way to roll
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[15:09] <SgtBurned> Go Hard or go home... wait you are home.. DAMNIT
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[15:11] <LeoBodnar> what's up chrisstubbsM ?
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[15:11] <cm13g09-work> LeoBodnar: the correct answer to that is "a balloon"
[15:12] <amell> finallly. got a calibrated dongle.
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[15:12] <amell> the calibration offset is 80ppm!
[15:12] <LeoBodnar> sorry, forgot comma: "what's up, chrisstubbsM?"
[15:12] <amell> hes in a presentation.
[15:12] <LeoBodnar> the answer is "No"
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[15:12] <amell> bit late now as he let it go.
[15:13] <LeoBodnar> oh was it mission-critical?
[15:13] <amell> no, he launched
[15:13] <amell> he was wondering if he should put a little extra in
[15:13] <amell> seems to be going ok.
[15:13] <amell> 2590m
[15:13] <LeoBodnar> no
[15:13] <LeoBodnar> resist temptation to put an extra stirk
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[15:16] <amell> 434.299700 at 79ppm correction.
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[15:16] <amell> crazy
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[15:24] <amell> lost it?
[15:24] <Upu> still there
[15:24] <amell> disappeared off my waterfall
[15:24] <amell> wonder why.
[15:25] <amell> just about to cross the flight path of stansted airport.
[15:26] <SgtBurned> "Stanstead @stansteadair: Just shot down a drone that was spying on us"
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[15:27] <amell> its gone for me. all i can think is it must be a topology issue
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[15:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Just getting clear of the South Downs for me, can see it anspartiaal decodes at present
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[15:29] <amell> i can just about see it, barely discernible through the noise
[15:29] <amell> something must be in the way
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[15:31] <SgtBurned> Huge 747
[15:32] <chrisstubbsM> Hye guys
[15:32] <chrisstubbsM> sorry we popped off
[15:32] <chrisstubbsM> presentations done, just left the kids with a load of balloons with the left over helium ;)
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[15:33] <amell> extremely faint.
[15:33] <amell> almost completely gone for me
[15:34] <cm13g09-work> chrisstubbsM: lol - fun
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[15:35] <G8APZ> amell topology? It is 4km up and cambridgeshire is flat!
[15:35] <G8APZ> I mean....
[15:35] <amell> its been strong, lots of decides up until now. then it just faded
[15:35] <amell> decodes
[15:35] <G8APZ> It's a huge signal
[15:35] <amell> it was for me, yes, but now weak.
[15:36] <Upu> must be something in the way or a null in your antenna
[15:36] <G8APZ> suggests something is not right,
[15:36] <amell> i can see the tones, only just, through the noise. lots of partials.
[15:36] <Upu> you know
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[15:37] <Upu> I'd bin that dongle
[15:37] <G8APZ> by the way, indoor antennas are going to see a lot less signal than outdoor ones.
[15:37] <Upu> oh is your antenna indoors ?
[15:37] <G8APZ> Upu seconded!
[15:37] <amell> yes, but i was hearing Bs mid channel.
[15:37] <amell> its in the loft. Bs at 190km.
[15:37] <Upu> oh its never going to work properly indoors
[15:37] <Upu> I remember trying indoors
[15:37] <Upu> its sort of works
[15:37] <amell> signal is really strong now
[15:38] <amell> all of a sudden
[15:38] <amell> interesting
[15:38] <Upu> then I put it outside and it was like actually putting and antenna on it
[15:38] <amell> maybe a null or something
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[15:38] <Upu> or that dongle is a pile of crap
[15:38] <amell> see if it happens again, and i will calculate the bearings
[15:38] <Upu> not a bad idea
[15:38] <amell> everything decoding now
[15:39] <fsphil> below the roof line you'll get lots of nulls
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[15:39] <amell> fsphil: you mean the rafters?
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[15:39] <fsphil> roof line, the average height of the houses around you
[15:39] <amell> the aerial is pretty much roofline.
[15:39] <amell> there are not that many houses around me
[15:40] <amell> actually...
[15:40] <fsphil> any metal objects near your antenna will also cause nulls
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[15:41] <amell> suddenly sounded different and decoding good
[15:43] <amell> i will put it outside if i have to. someone here suggested trying it in the loft first.
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[15:44] <amell> if it put it outside, i dont want all the old people around blaming their piles on it
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[15:47] <amell> almost directly in front of stansted flight path for departing flights
[15:47] <G8APZ> they won't see it.... it's a 5' white stick
[15:49] <G8APZ> amell sounds like you may have a duff lead if it all came up suddenly..... wobble the leads, check the connectors and see if you find a problem
[15:49] <fsphil> I've two colinears on the roof
[15:49] <fsphil> nobody's complained yet
[15:49] <G8APZ> they look so small from the ground
[15:49] <fsphil> someone did complain about my HF vertical in the back of the house, that isn't visible from the front at all
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[15:52] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/HAM/Rotator/IMG_0796.JPG no complaints yet :)
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[15:57] <Willdude123> Upu: is that a 70cm yagi?
[15:57] <Upu> yes Will
[15:57] <craag> Apart from the over-engineered mounts, doesn't look much different from a TV and VHF FM antenna
[15:57] <aadamson> mikestir, mikestir-work - ping PM
[15:57] <Upu> over-engineered :)
[15:57] <Upu> you should see how windy it gets up here :)
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[15:58] <Upu> scares the crap out of me every time we have a storm
[15:58] <craag> Upu: I mean compared to most TV antenna installs!
[15:58] <Upu> true :)
[15:58] <craag> People here mount them on 6 foot poles screwed into wooden fascia
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[15:59] <Willdude123> Upu: is it only rotatable on one axis?
[15:59] <Upu> no both
[15:59] <Upu> but I rarely use the elevation
[15:59] <Upu> in fact its set to about 3 up
[15:59] <Upu> 3'
[16:01] <Willdude123> Upu: why are the rotators expensive?
[16:01] <Upu> don't sell many
[16:01] <Upu> quite solid build
[16:01] <Willdude123> Ah
[16:02] <fsphil> outdoors is not a great place for electronics
[16:02] <Willdude123> Upu: do you use your ham radio licence a lot?
[16:02] <Upu> never
[16:02] <Upu> well
[16:03] <Upu> APRS
[16:04] <Upu> I run a RX only igate, which you don't need a license for
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[16:04] <Upu> and my handheld transmits my APRS location via RF (which you do)
[16:04] <Willdude123> Upu: fair enough. Did you find the advanced licence difficult?
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[16:05] <Upu> well I had to study for it
[16:05] <Upu> I'd done alot of the electronics side at University
[16:05] <Upu> just forgotten it all
[16:06] <Willdude123> There's another chap at my club (my age) who has tried for the full license twice
[16:06] <Willdude123> *licence
[16:06] <Willdude123> Damn, I always get them confused
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[16:07] <Upu> I think Ibanezmatt is enjoying radio club
[16:07] <Upu> he was speaking to someone in Taiwan or something last week
[16:09] <Willdude123> Upu: I have a quite low g5rv, not made any contacts outside of the UK
[16:09] <Willdude123> Not the best aerial
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[16:09] <Willdude123> Well, its OK. But it should be higher
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[16:10] <Willdude123> I would love to talk to people outside Europe. Be awesome to get contacts from China, Taiwan (though I suppose geographically that's China), best Korea and places
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[16:13] <lz1dev> anyone using the mobile tracker on ipad?
[16:13] <LeoBodnar> is it really? [17:04] <Upu> I run a RX only igate, which you don't need a license for
[16:14] <Upu> no
[16:14] <Upu> well in theory no
[16:14] <fsphil> definitly no
[16:14] <LeoBodnar> considering APRS-IS servers need validated login
[16:14] <Upu> well that
[16:14] <Upu> but legally the RSGB / Ofcom don't care
[16:14] <fsphil> that's not a license requirement
[16:15] <LeoBodnar> i think if it helps maintaining APRS presence it will be considered OK
[16:15] <Upu> You could just be LEOBODNAR on APRS
[16:15] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[16:15] <Upu> 9184
[16:15] <Upu> is the passcode
[16:15] <Upu> :)
[16:15] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[16:15] <fsphil> woo security
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[16:15] <LeoBodnar> it probably assumes most people are using it for TX/RX
[16:15] <craag> Yeah it's aprs.fi trying to keep themselves as Amateur Radio only, rather than just being the internet packets they are
[16:16] <fsphil> one more of the many aprs flaws
[16:16] <Upu> so that basically however we adhere to the requirements of the service
[16:16] <LeoBodnar> there were a few scares when CB folks discovered APRS
[16:16] <craag> 9116 is my passcode :)
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[16:16] <Willdude123> I noticed the wiki now uses a pwm circuit
[16:16] <craag> Upu: All I can see is **** ?
[16:16] <LeoBodnar> and hams were bracing themselves for influx of unlicensed users
[16:17] <LeoBodnar> but it fizzled out
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[16:17] <fsphil> they'll be horrified if they learned I was doing aprs on 869mhz
[16:17] <Upu> haha craag
[16:17] <LeoBodnar> well
[16:17] <Willdude123> Why does it? Are there significant advantages?
[16:17] <LeoBodnar> what is pure TCP APRS then?
[16:18] <craag> LeoBodnar: A notably inefficient TCP/IP packet?
[16:18] <LeoBodnar> lots of users just run APRS app on their mobile and pipe position data to APRS-IS via 3G/WiFi/Sat
[16:18] <M0PSX> Hi Chris M6EDF if you're on. Tracking Stewards on Southend for you
[16:18] <mattbrejza> that seems to ruin the 'fun' or aprs
[16:18] <LeoBodnar> this does not even get on RF
[16:19] <Willdude123> I did that when walking home once
[16:19] <mattbrejza> *of
[16:19] <LeoBodnar> well excluding 3G/WiFi /Sat
[16:19] <Upu> Hi M0PSX he was on but I think he's timed out
[16:19] <Upu> probably in the car
[16:19] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[16:19] <craag> LeoBodnar: I use that when driving long journeys, so the person at the other end can time dinner/coffee
[16:19] <M0PSX> OK - Thanks
[16:19] <craag> But if I had the time to write my own TCP tracking system - I'd use that instead.
[16:20] <craag> It's jsut easy, with a free website and many apps
[16:20] <LeoBodnar> so i think having RX only gate run by unlicensed operator or SWL helps the system
[16:20] <craag> Complete abuse I know
[16:20] <LeoBodnar> as it potentially brings them under the auspices of ham radio
[16:20] <lz1dev> craag: dont use TCP :(
[16:20] <LeoBodnar> auspices? i don't even know what this word means
[16:21] <craag> lz1dev: I mostly use UDP tbh, but why?
[16:21] <lz1dev> tcp you need to establish a session
[16:21] <lz1dev> any unreliable link is a pain
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[16:21] <craag> Hence UDP :)
[16:22] <craag> Or HTTP if I want to know if it's working
[16:22] <LeoBodnar> well TCP over APRS would be a death my 1000 cuts
[16:22] <LeoBodnar> by
[16:22] <LeoBodnar> hundreds of timed out connections
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[16:23] <LeoBodnar> APRS is stateless (mostly) and it is good
[16:23] <G8APZ> oh look, its passing another airfield!
[16:23] <LazyLeopard> Not quite RFC 1149 then...
[16:24] <LeoBodnar> the only state thing i can think of in APRS is definitions for telemetry
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[16:27] <mfa298> Willdude123: reading back a bit. Getting a higher license doesn't automatically improve your station. It's perfectly possible to get good contacts on lower power. Also if you can't hear them you can't work them and more power won't fix that.
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[16:28] <mfa298> heh, rfc1149 is the one I thought it was. still waiting for implimentation though although I suppose we're doing something similar
[16:29] <Willdude123> mfa298: indeed
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[16:29] <LazyLeopard> I believe it has been implemented. There's a song about it...
[16:29] <Willdude123> My rig is 10w anyway
[16:30] <Laurenceb__> someone did SSDV over APRS
[16:30] <LazyLeopard> The round trip time was... not exactly instantaneous...
[16:30] <LeoBodnar> Bob Bruninga did
[16:31] <LeoBodnar> But he can do anything on APRS
[16:31] <LeoBodnar> by definition
[16:31] <Laurenceb__> heh
[16:31] <LazyLeopard> The trouble with using balloons in place of birds is getting them to go exactly where you wanted. Routing is at the mercy of the four winds... ;)
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[16:32] <mfa298> although hostile packet loss is lower
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[16:37] <amell> are people still decoding? im just getting crap even though the rtty is clear
[16:38] <amell> pressed autoconfigure and it all worked again. not sure what happened
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[16:39] <Upu> clear as a bell from here
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[16:39] <amell> i had rxid on
[16:39] <Upu> doesn't matter for this
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[16:40] <amell> got to go out now. later
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[16:54] <amell> lol. hit another null
[16:54] <G8APZ> something's up.....
[16:54] <G8APZ> drifting badly all of a sudden
[16:55] <amell> oh its not just me?
[16:55] <amell> i was just about to plot another null out
[16:55] <G8APZ> I think it's popped
[16:55] <Maxell> burst
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[16:56] <amell> yes, and maybe balloon still attached? fast descent...
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[16:57] <amell> close enough to recover
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[16:57] <G8APZ> from the sound, I'd say it was spinning rapidly
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[16:58] <G8APZ> I cannot decode sigs even at +27dB s/n
[16:59] <G8APZ> green now... must have stabilised
[16:59] <amell> chrisstubbs: you popped. collect?
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[16:59] <amell> speak of the devil
[16:59] <amell> we were just talking about you
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[17:00] <amell> and whether you were going off to recover
[17:00] <lz1dev> nice landing area :)
[17:00] <chrisstubbs> aw man it didnt float :(
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[17:01] <chrisstubbs> Its not far awai, but i have to go out again in half an hour :(
[17:01] <chrisstubbs> *away
[17:01] <amell> should be easy to find.
[17:01] <G8APZ> chrisstubbs It reached 5869m
[17:01] <chrisstubbs> Too much helium again. Darn
[17:01] <amell> i dont want to collect any more chrisstubbs trackers. :)
[17:01] <chrisstubbs> only 2g of free lift this time
[17:02] <chrisstubbs> Haha well this one was all paid for and im not expecting it back. But once again if anyone wants to practice their hab hunting feel free :)
[17:02] <amell> i cant today. g0xwi might be interested.
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[17:03] <chrisstubbs> Looks like you managed to get set up again M0PSX :)
[17:03] <amell> actually steve randall lives pretty close to there.
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[17:03] <chrisstubbs> He's felixstowe, a little bit far
[17:03] <chrisstubbs> And I dont think he would have much use for my trackers as he has his own
[17:04] <amell> how long will the batt last?
[17:04] <amell> could potentially take a look tomorrow. but definately not today. and if it rains...
[17:05] <chrisstubbs> Haha
[17:05] <chrisstubbs> 24 hours or so, its a bit better than the one you collected before
[17:05] <chrisstubbs> rev 4 board, collect them all!
[17:08] <amell> anyone get partials?
[17:11] <M0PSX> Hi Chris - Yes,managed to get some good solid signals
[17:11] <chrisstubbs> Nice work :)
[17:12] <chrisstubbs> Will have to get somone else doing the presentation after next time so I have time to track
[17:12] <G8APZ> amell somewhere about 1km N of Foxearth would be a good start point
[17:12] <Upu> blimey that cut off quick
[17:12] <chrisstubbs> Great we have the support of you guys tracking though, lets us just call the map up and check back on the balloon on the projector
[17:13] <G8APZ> yes.. they must be impressed!
[17:13] <chrisstubbs> tell me about it Upu, those balloons usually come back down with the payload dont they? fell pretty fast!
[17:13] <Upu> well
[17:14] <Upu> I've seen slightly heavier (25g) payloads blow the valve clean out
[17:14] <Upu> what was the weight ?
[17:14] <chrisstubbs> yeah 24.5
[17:14] <Upu> hah
[17:14] <chrisstubbs> probably 26 with tape
[17:14] <G8APZ> I see the landing area could be a valley of the River Stour - high ground around should enable sigs to be haerd a few km away at least
[17:14] <Upu> yeah it will have brought the valve back with it
[17:15] <chrisstubbs> heh
[17:15] <chrisstubbs> one day I will float again...
[17:16] <Upu> make it lighter
[17:16] <Upu> >20g is iffy for a float
[17:16] <Upu> they can float
[17:16] <chrisstubbs> AAA?
[17:16] <Upu> or lipo
[17:17] <chrisstubbs> my new boards are max-7 so they should last a while of a AAA
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[17:17] <Upu> what transmitter is it ?
[17:17] <LeoBodnar> One of Bees blew a valve out with 10g payload
[17:17] <LeoBodnar> it's unpredictable
[17:17] <Upu> three of mine blew out >20g
[17:18] <Upu> its only when I dropped below 20g I managed to float sucessfully
[17:18] <chrisstubbs> its a horrible rfm22b
[17:18] <Upu> not saying they don't float above 20g
[17:18] <G8APZ> chrisstubbs where is you main weight ? battery?
[17:18] <Upu> ah well ok
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[17:18] <G8APZ> you = your
[17:19] <chrisstubbs> yeah it was 25g, those AA's are about 14g
[17:19] <LeoBodnar> valve blowout http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-21/
[17:19] <LeoBodnar> initial descend was ~7m/s then signal was lost
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[17:20] <LeoBodnar> but it is all statistical of course
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[17:21] <chrisstubbs> I will try a AAA next time
[17:22] <chrisstubbs> I have another launch/talk thing at the start of next month
[17:23] <LeoBodnar> oh -11m/s that's defo valve blowout or payload detached
[17:25] <LeoBodnar> B-6 floated three days over France with 20.2 grams http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-6/
[17:25] <arko> good times
[17:25] <chrisstubbs> I floated one for a very short time before iirc
[17:26] <LeoBodnar> lol age of innosence
[17:27] <LeoBodnar> B-6 had lots of drama
[17:27] <chrisstubbs> http://chris-stubbs.co.uk/wp/?p=348
[17:27] <arko> almost a year
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[17:28] <LeoBodnar> i remember cheapo06 very well
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[17:28] <LeoBodnar> the battery gave up
[17:28] <chrisstubbs> yeah you told me about the boost reg too I think
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[17:29] <chrisstubbs> anyway im off out for dinner, thanks to everyone who tracked today!
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[17:44] <ProSpectre> evening gents
[17:44] <ProSpectre> what happened to G-04 and 05?
[17:46] <G8APZ> G-05 probably ran out of battery, but it's GPS was not functioning correctly for some of the time
[17:46] <G8APZ> G-04 ran out of battery over Italy
[17:46] <ProSpectre> ok
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[18:03] <arko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YwSXAba6Ik
[18:03] <arko> JPL's latest HAB :P
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[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> arko, it didn't fly yesterday?
[18:20] <arko> delay due to weather
[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> hope it works good :)
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> where is it planned to fly on?
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> Curiosity 2?
[18:25] <arko> nah, Mars 2020 is a flight clone of MSL
[18:25] <arko> this is likely for the next larger payload or human flight
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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[18:36] <amell> looking forward to Dragon V2 first flight
[18:37] <arko> you should get some chips and snacks and a very comfortable seat
[18:37] <arko> its going to be a while
[18:38] <Lunar_Lander> how was the unveiling?
[18:38] <Lunar_Lander> any surprises?
[18:38] <amell> yes, very 2001esque.
[18:38] <amell> it was just missing the red eye
[18:39] <amell> if they had room for cryo storage, it wouldnt look out of place in aliens.
[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> just seeing it
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> very empty capsule, not like Apollo CM
[18:44] <amell> bet its not empty when it comes to first flight!
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> wonder how it will come out in the end
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[18:52] <arko> http://blogs.seattletimes.com/brierdudley/2014/05/30/google-loon-balloon-crashes-near-yakima/
[18:52] <arko> nice going google
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> not good
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[19:16] <es5nhc> oh noes
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[20:01] <an112> hmmmm.... I'm trying to recreate the blue and green circles in my own tracker software, but I'm getting different results
[20:02] <an112> The blue circle seems to be zero degree elevation, not one degree. Can that be right?
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[20:03] <bertrik> I think so
[20:03] <mfa298> an112: on the spacenear.us site it's suposed to be 0 degrees
[20:03] <mfa298> although based on the scale at the centre of the map and not taking any local geography and heights into account
[20:04] <mfa298> so it's only a rough guide
[20:04] <an112> Ah okay, brilliant :) Then it's working great
[20:08] <an112> I did notice it does not accout for refraction of the radio waves though, theoretically the range is 15% better. :P
[20:09] <an112> About 15-ish, depending on weather conditions :P
[20:12] <mfa298> I think for most people local geography makes more of a difference. Apart from those living on the top of a hill with no neighbours
[20:13] <an112> True :)
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[20:13] <jededu> Payload for tomorrows launch providing i get a dry spell http://imgur.com/k4P5gXm
[20:14] <Upu> looks cosy :)
[20:14] <an112> Neat ^_^
[20:14] <jededu> And warm :)
[20:15] <jededu> 570g with backup chute and gps
[20:15] <mfa298> is that a model B in there ?
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> jededu, cool
[20:16] <jededu> Yes with wifi
[20:16] <jededu> 3.3 + 5v
[20:16] <mfa298> wont be any issues with that freezing although fireballs in the sky might be an option.
[20:16] <daveake> When you said "warm", you weren't kidding!
[20:17] <jededu> lol
[20:19] <mfa298> good job there's been rain over most of the country. Might help prevent any forest fires when it lands :p
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:21] <mikestir> jededu: what's the prediction?
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> my first payload reached 50°C inside when I tested it fully loaded some time in October in a staircase at university
[20:23] <jededu> Can you see the prediction if I paste the link
[20:23] <mikestir> should be able to yes
[20:23] <jededu> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=df3ec91d569880da268b98b9c7c9f4e23340ed0f
[20:24] <jededu> As long as it doesent drift E NE were ok
[20:24] <ProSpectre> jededu: waht kind of board is that you put on the Pi itself?
[20:24] <jededu> Own design
[20:25] <ProSpectre> ok
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[20:26] <jededu> Its just a ublox ntx2 and a couple of sensors
[20:29] <malgar> IZ4002SWL: ciao
[20:29] <IZ4002SWL> ciao
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[20:30] <malgar> IZ4002SWL: ciao
[20:30] <malgar> IZ4002SWL: IZ5006SWL where are you from?
[20:30] <IZ5006SWL> ciao
[20:30] <IZ4002SWL> Modena
[20:31] <IZ5006SWL> Massa Carrara
[20:31] <Upu> Invasion of the Italians :) ciao
[20:31] <malgar> welcome :) finally italian listereners
[20:31] <ProSpectre> what would happen if you put the battery outside of the box. would that be to cold or help against the heat?
[20:31] <Upu> ProSpectre if they get too cold the performance can suffer
[20:32] <Upu> though we've run Energizer Lithiums way below their rated -40'C
[20:32] <Upu> wouldn't recommend it though
[20:32] <ProSpectre> ok
[20:33] <ProSpectre> ever used active fans on a board?
[20:34] <Upu> no point
[20:34] <Upu> what are they going to blow ?
[20:36] <ProSpectre> right. being in
[20:36] <ProSpectre> a box
[20:36] <daveake> an almost air-free box
[20:36] <ProSpectre> lets say it was a long day
[20:36] <ProSpectre> :D
[20:37] <Upu> for an up down flight all you need is some insulation
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[20:44] <iz4002swl> Buona sera
[20:46] <ProSpectre> bye, for today.
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[21:08] <SpeedEvil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27591432 - relevant to a missing channel member.
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[22:14] <DL7AD> good evening
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[22:21] <malclocke> do people have solutions set up for standalone mapping a flight when they are out in the sticks without internet? I.e. when I have the balloon decoding in the chase car and want to plot it's position without relying on spacenear.us
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[22:23] <mfa298> get lat/long from dl-fldigi and stick into offline mapping program (e.g. hamgps on android)
[22:24] <mfa298> or (on android) use hab modem and tracker which decodes 50/300 rtty and displays on a local map
[22:27] <malclocke> mfa298 cool thanks
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[22:29] <malclocke> was hoping for somethings a little more automated from dl-fldigi -> something, but all good
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[22:31] <malclocke> can dl-fldigi decode to a local file as well as / instead of habitat?
[22:31] <malclocke> I guess I could install habitat @ localhost ...
[22:33] <DL7AD> malclocke: no i think it cant
[22:34] <DL7AD> malclocke: or have a look in the menu File - Audio - Playback
[22:38] <fsphil> fldigi outputs decoded text on a tcp port
[22:38] <fsphil> but you'd have to do the string parsing yourself
[22:39] <fsphil> 7322 iirc
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[22:54] <malclocke> fsphil, could be workable, thanks
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