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[07:47] <jededu> ping upu
[07:53] <tweetBot> @crispSV: Argolic & Saronic gulf from 31K. Athens, Piraeus, Nafplio, Argos in a single shot #hab #hamradio #ukhas http://t.co/pp49zyVVBu
[08:02] <malgar> I see a very low number of stations online
[08:02] <malgar> is there a reason?
[08:02] <malgar> and no balloons flying :)
[08:04] <fsphil> it is oddly quiet at the moment
[08:04] <fsphil> there is a flight tomorrow though
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[08:07] <tweetBot> @crispSV: J43VHF balloon. Cape Tainaro, Kithira Isl and Crete in a single shot, 31K altitude. #hab #hamradio #ukhas
[08:08] <tweetBot> @crispSV: J43VHF balloon. Cape Tainaro, Kithira Isl and Crete in a single shot, 31K altitude. #hab #hamradio #ukhas http://t.co/DQfQtI7cMB
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[08:12] <UpuWork> morning jededu
[08:13] <mfa298> malgar: the number of stations shown on the map tends to drop during the week if there are no flights - they only stay on the map for ~24 hours after starting dl-fldigi
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[08:32] <jededu> upu pm
[08:33] <tweetBot> @crispSV: J43VHF balloon burst. Navarino bay down under. #hab #hamradio #ukhas http://t.co/WhXZQviWQh
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[09:03] <malgar> is the hourly predictor using UTC time?
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[09:09] <fsphil> malgar: yes
[09:10] <jededu> Wickes insulation board seems to have excellent properties my freezer says -8 internal temp was increasing
[09:11] <mikestir-work> your freezer's only at -8?
[09:11] <jededu> Usually -10
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[09:11] <jededu> Its old
[09:12] <jededu> Cant use the new one lol
[09:12] <en4rab> thats quite shocking, it should be -18 for 5* rating
[09:12] <mikestir-work> but yes, kingspan/celotex type stuff does seem pretty good
[09:12] <jededu> Not bad for 10 years thats what it is celotex
[09:13] <jededu> Probably 1 star
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[09:18] <jededu> Still havent received the NOTAM for next week is it usually this close
[09:18] <fsphil> yep
[09:19] <fsphil> I'd send a gentle reminder a few days before if they still haven't done it
[09:21] <jededu> He's unofficially agreed it so should be ok
[09:21] <fsphil> ah you're lucky to get that much :)
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[11:05] <Spectre> mornin gents
[11:05] <Spectre> any balloons up today?
[11:15] <mfa298> I don't think so in the UK but there might be one tomorrow. Not sure about other countries.
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[13:10] <Laurenceb__> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-H8gq8X4/0/X2/CA_05291404272671-X2.jpg
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[13:12] <anerDev> hi guys :)
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[13:21] <willmod> Hello. Has anyone experienced launching in the rain? There are showers/sun showing for our launch window tomorrow
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[13:23] <fsphil> rain and snow. it's not ideal
[13:23] <anerDev> not good
[13:23] <mattbrejza> there looks to be little rain predicted for tomorrow though, just check the rain radar and fill when there isnt a shower approaching
[13:24] <fsphil> the balloon getting wet won't be a problem
[13:24] <fsphil> but it could cause trouble for the payload
[13:24] <gonzo_> I've done a launch in torrential rain. It was just inconvenient, but did not noticeably affect the balloon. Any extra mass from the water would have been compensated for as we filled and measured the free lift when wet.
[13:24] <willmod> OK, thanks. If the payload is waterproof, are the dangers more about having a slippery balloon to tie off?
[13:25] <fsphil> I'd be worried about water on the camera lens freezing on the way up
[13:25] <willmod> Ah. That is more of a problem
[13:25] <gonzo_> the main prob was, with the big rain collecting area, the run off at the neck meant it was like trying to work with a hose pipe running over your hands
[13:26] <willmod> Sounds slippery. I'll be using latex gloves so might offer a bit more grip.
[13:27] <fsphil> are you able to fill indoors?
[13:27] <craag> With 4kg of neck lift it's going to be difficult.
[13:27] <fsphil> eek
[13:28] <craag> Difficult enough even without water in the mix
[13:29] <craag> If you can fill indoors - perfect - but would need big doors to get it out through!
[13:29] <craag> Else you're waiting for a gap in the rain.
[13:29] <willmod> Hmm. Plenty to keep me up tonight. ts a possibility to fill inside but then quite a walk to the launch area. I think best bet will be to keep an eye on radar and fill and release quickly. Are the CAA flexible in terms of launch window? Im
[13:29] <craag> What's the launch window on your NOTAM?
[13:30] <craag> Also wear real gloves as well as latex gloves when holding the balloon/string. Else you'll end up with some quite cut up hands.
[13:30] <fsphil> esp. with that lift
[13:31] <craag> They say a blood sacrifice helps with the height - but no scientific evidence of that yet!
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[13:32] <willmod> Thanks all. Yes, notam gives 2 hours window from 12-2 so good wriggle room. There is a warehouse nearby so might speak to them before. Ha. I'll try and keep the blood inside but at least there's a payoff!
[13:32] <fsphil> I normally just get "during daylight hours"
[13:32] <fsphil> guess it depends on the overhead air traffic
[13:33] <craag> Having the payload ready for 11:30 if you can then - you don't want payload issues to cause you to miss any of the window.
[13:33] <fsphil> make sure the payload is working before you fill
[13:33] <mattbrejza> all of craag 's recommendations are all from experience
[13:33] <willmod> So latex gloves on teh ourside of the normal gloves? I read that latex was best for handling the balloon. FS phil you must live in a good area. I have to call east midlands airport half an hour before
[13:33] <mattbrejza> not sure how i didnt cut my hands to pieces
[13:33] <fsphil> that would be a huge amount of helium to waste if you found a problem after filling
[13:33] <mattbrejza> that wind...
[13:34] <craag> mattbrejza: Yeah, it was on the verge of cutting up my skin during the brief period I had it, you msut have tougher hands!
[13:34] <gonzo_> Strange, I've not seen mention of human sacrifice in the wiki?
[13:35] <craag> willmod: Yep
[13:35] <mattbrejza> that string cant have been to far off breaking tbh
[13:35] <willmod> Yep, craag, plan is to layout the rig at 11 and fill at 11.45. Up until yesterday we had horses in teh launch field until we got farmer giles to walk them out. They would have loved a giant ballon
[13:35] <craag> willmod: Although the main function of the latex gloves is to prevent your skin oils/grease on getting on the balloon, so a pair of clean winter gloves will do the same job.
[13:36] <craag> willmod: Ha! We've launched in the New Forest with ponies for company :)
[13:36] <mattbrejza> https://www.flickr.com/photos/104821768@N06/13779997504/in/set-72157637269588045
[13:36] <gonzo_> horses are pertty much psychotic at the best of times
[13:37] <craag> As have SUSF ^^ see matt's link
[13:37] <fsphil> that hair
[13:37] <gonzo_> I've seen them refuse to go passed a crisp packet in the hedge. So a balloon should 'interest' them
[13:37] <fsphil> it's an 80s pony
[13:37] <craag> lol fsphil
[13:38] <willmod> haha. He doesn't seem too fussed!
[13:38] <craag> willmod: THey're wild though - will quite often walk across the road in traffic
[13:38] <mattbrejza> they did need shooing at times
[13:39] <craag> mattbrejza: Watching the GDP team deal with them was fun!
[13:39] <craag> One of the guys got half his lunch eaten...
[13:39] <gonzo_> they lose a few each year on the roads
[13:39] <willmod> That's the Pat Sharp of ponies
[13:39] <gonzo_> they are pretty used to people
[13:40] <craag> hey willmod, use '/query nickname' to open up a private message
[13:40] <craag> gonzo_: http://photos.suws.org.uk/index.php?album=outings/new-forest-26th-may-2013&image=img_2278.jpg
[13:41] <craag> One of our radio outings
[13:42] <gonzo_> that is a friendly pony
[13:42] <craag> Drawn by the smell of bacon!
[13:42] <craag> http://photos.suws.org.uk/index.php?album=outings/new-forest-26th-may-2013&image=img_2276.jpg
[13:42] <gonzo_> they walk through the villages oblivoius to the cars
[13:43] <mattbrejza> http://i.imgur.com/ltLhegC.png
[13:43] <mattbrejza> sorry for print screen of a print screen
[13:43] <mattbrejza> blame android :P
[13:43] <craag> haha
[13:43] <willmod> crikey. If they get that that close, i'd getting my regulator hatchet out
[13:44] Action: Chetic puts a hat on
[13:45] <craag> They're stupidly chilled out. Driving through the new forest 40mph limit can seem annoying, but when it's night and the fog has rolled in, you should be doing a lot less than 40! They seem to like the roads at night.
[13:45] <mattbrejza> should give them some hi-viz stripes
[13:45] <craag> Some have reflective tags around their ankles
[13:45] <craag> But a lot don't
[13:46] <mattbrejza> i cant imagine crashing into one at 40 does a lot of good to your car either
[13:48] <craag> willmod: Did you see my message about the private messages?
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[13:58] <willmod> Thanks for the balloon filling advice. Final plug for my launch tomorrow at 1pm - 434.075MHz (MOD1) or 434.650MHz (MOD2) :-)
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> Free live naked tits! http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01z2vf4/live
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> (sort-of-on-topic)
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[14:09] <lz1dev> damn
[14:09] <lz1dev> that man is not lying
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[14:13] <bertrik> Maxell is underway now to capture an ozone sensing weather balloon near the hague, netherlands :)
[14:19] <PE2G> bertrik: His APRS inst updating anymore, alas
[14:19] <PE2G> *isn't
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[14:30] <bertrik> PE2G: it seems there's a high chance it did a waterlanding, Maxell told me the last fix at 100m altitude was at N52.10956 E4.46052
[14:31] <PE2G> Yeah, but he reported also that there is still a signal
[14:33] <PE2G> According to APRS PD1ODE-9 is at the wrong side of the A4
[14:33] <PE2G> http://nl.aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FPE2G-11&timerange=10800&tail=10800
[14:34] <bertrik> I hope he stays safe
[14:34] <PE2G> Last fix at 100m: N52.10956 E4.46052
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[14:36] <PE2G> Very last part of descent: http://s27.postimg.org/tq0wbyt77/snelweg.jpg
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[15:01] <fsphil> SpeedEvil: somewhat better quality than mine, http://webcam.sanslogic.co.uk/box1
[15:02] <mattbrejza> upgrades planned for next year?
[15:02] <craag> fsphil: What's the hardware on that?
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[15:03] <fsphil> upgrades where planned for this year, but neighbour trouble delayed it too much
[15:03] <fsphil> craag: small PAL camera, cat5 run to a PC with a capture card
[15:04] <fsphil> it should be in colour but I can't seem to get it working
[15:04] <craag> Oh cool, thinking pi cam next time?
[15:04] <fsphil> the BBC's chicks are making more noise
[15:05] <craag> Would an IR light work, or disturb the birds?
[15:05] <fsphil> craag: yea definitly. hopefully with that new Pi board that can take two cameras
[15:05] <fsphil> one on the top, and one on the side
[15:05] <craag> Yours were making plenty of noise yesterday!
[15:05] <fsphil> I expected them to leave this-morning
[15:05] <fsphil> they don't seem to be in any rush
[15:06] <fsphil> I had a split-screen view in previous years, not sure how I'd do that on the Pi
[15:06] <fsphil> one camera outside and the other showing the inside
[15:06] <craag> mm would have to post-process that I think
[15:08] <fsphil> yea. unless there's a sneaky way to hack an h264 stream to do it
[15:08] <fsphil> or have each camera feeding into the same frame buffer. would require god-level GPU skills
[15:09] <craag> Could talk to the rpi team about it, split screen seems like something a lot of people might be interested in for dual-cam
[15:12] <PE2G> bertrik: Maxell reported that the sonde is on the motorway A4 :(
[15:15] <mfa298> question might be how many people will actually end up doing dual cam expecially as you're ideally going to be making up dedicated host boards for the compute module.
[15:15] <mfa298> plus I've got a feeling the IO carrier they're doing for the compute module doesn't have ethernet (it just breaks out all the IO pins for you)
[15:19] <fsphil> I've a feeling both cameras can't be operated at the same time
[15:20] <mfa298> I've not seen anything that says you can't operate both together but it might need some changes to the various tools
[15:20] <mfa298> and I'd guess may need some firmware bugs ironing out
[15:22] <fsphil> stereo is probably high up on some peoples list
[15:22] <fsphil> at its most basic it's the same as what I'm doing, left/right split
[15:23] <mfa298> I'm interested in being able to use two cameras at the same time for taking pictures at work but currently the optics and camera quality seem to be more of an issue.
[15:24] <mfa298> I may have a go at designing a board with 2 CSI ports, ethernet and power at some point mostly just for fun (and see if I can get most of the chips as samples)
[15:25] <mfa298> although I might need to find space in the flat and invest in an oven
[15:25] <fsphil> thankfully I have a shed for that kind of thing
[15:25] <mfa298> or persaude work to throw out some of the junk and use some space there.
[15:25] <fsphil> I've not oven'ed too many boards with it yet
[15:26] <fsphil> me and eagle don't get on
[15:28] <jonsowman> nobody gets on with eagle
[15:28] <jonsowman> I just have an understanding with it
[15:28] <jonsowman> born of mutual hatred it seems
[15:29] <mfa298> I've not done much more than install eagle so far, and I've got to around the same level with kiCad
[15:30] <fsphil> I start OK, then I'll find a part eagle or kicad doesn't have. then I fall out with them when trying to make the part from scratch
[15:31] <jonsowman> making parts is a bit of a faff
[15:31] <jonsowman> it's fine once you get used to it
[15:31] <jonsowman> as it is with much of eagle
[15:31] <jonsowman> and much of CAD in general in fact
[15:32] <adamgreig> I think "fine" might be a strong word for many CAD software
[15:32] <jonsowman> yes
[15:32] <jonsowman> true
[15:32] <adamgreig> you eventually learn it :P
[15:32] <jonsowman> acceptable
[15:32] <jonsowman> begrudgingly bearable
[15:32] <adamgreig> that said I'm still excited for solidworks on linux
[15:32] <adamgreig> and Quartus was actually not as bad as I imagined
[15:33] <adamgreig> though I still ended up using a makefile and vim and foregoing all their gui stuff
[15:33] <jonsowman> :D
[15:33] <jonsowman> glad to hear it
[15:33] <adamgreig> you wouldn't really expect anything else
[15:33] <mfa298> I think I started getting to the "begrudgingly bearable" point with freecad a while ago. That was the point I could pretty much predict which operations would make it crash and burn
[15:34] <mfa298> it seemed to crash more regularly than win95.
[15:35] <Miek> i really want to like freecad, but it won't output dxfs that play nice with our laser cutter :(
[15:45] <fsphil> would take a while to send this at 300 baud: http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/83000/83754/gulfofalaska_amo_2014122_lrg.jpg
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[15:56] <Maxell> KMNI ozonsonde on the A4 :( http://i.sigio.nl/89b7e052d5d80a127e23b02277a211da.jpg en http://i.sigio.nl/240484b145aca48174a4887d37978e73.jpg
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[15:57] <PE2G> Thanks for the pics, Maxell
[15:59] <Maxell> We had a blast.
[15:59] <PE2G> :)
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[16:19] <mclane_> is it possible to run gqrx on the raspi?
[16:20] <PE0SAT> mclane_: I believe it is
[16:21] <PE0SAT> Look at the website from its creator
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[17:29] <mfa298> mclane_: it might run altough I'd wonder if it's got enough processing power to be useable
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[17:38] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:10] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: nice
[18:10] <aadamson> well, I guess it's time for the fun to start. I got balloons yesterday
[18:10] <aadamson> picked up my he bottle, still need to build a fill tube setup, but have all the parts
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: reportedly, you can use white light
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: you start it very low, and crank it up
[18:11] <aadamson> just working through connecting everything up, will happen today or tomorrow (current plan anyway)
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[18:18] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: It would also be interesting to add a feeder
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[18:20] <LeoBodnar> somebody tell him to announce on arhab or Keith will reject any record entries
[18:22] <LeoBodnar> Keith told me he won't accept sumbissions if the flight has not been pre-announced
[18:22] <fsphil> SpeedEvil: there are white LEDs in there too, and yea they don't mind at all as long as they go off at night
[18:24] <LeoBodnar> wrong screen duh
[18:26] <LeoBodnar> But yeah, this might as well be public service announcement here too: "Keith won't accept submissions for flights not pre-announced on arhab.org"
[18:26] <adamgreig> do you actually pre announce any of your flights?
[18:27] <adamgreig> there was a huge kerfuffle about this a year or two back
[18:27] <adamgreig> lots of drama
[18:27] <LeoBodnar> well "pre-" is difficult
[18:28] <adamgreig> do you submit any of them to arhab.org before release?
[18:28] <LeoBodnar> but i think it's fair within a few hours from start
[18:28] <adamgreig> hehe
[18:28] <LeoBodnar> usually after launch
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[18:29] <LeoBodnar> but registering them 8 days after launch was a bit meh, I agree with Keith
[18:35] <Upu> Keith is ok
[18:35] <Upu> just trying to keep it organised
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[18:47] <SpeedEvil> http://webcam.sanslogic.co.uk/box1 one up on the step, looking keen
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[18:57] <fsphil> I thought he was going
[19:02] <LeoBodnar> what's the lifespan of these birds?
[19:04] <fsphil> according to the internet, the oldest recorded is 21
[19:04] <Upu> longer than the average GoT major character
[19:05] <fsphil> maybe less than that even
[19:05] <fsphil> the mortality rate is pretty high. it's why they have so many chicks
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[19:09] <SpeedEvil> I do wonder about r/c.
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> Add a little collar with a couple of flashing lights that it can see that often point it towards a treat.
[19:10] <LeoBodnar> have written chirp decoder yet fsphil ?
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> If it knows it can have a treat with two minutes of 'work'...
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[19:12] <SpeedEvil> JHanging on the outside
[19:12] <SpeedEvil> Oh - it's gone
[19:14] <fsphil> he kinda fell out
[19:14] <fsphil> wandering around the back garden, no parent in sight
[19:14] <fsphil> he's gone under the fence. I don't fancy its chances
[19:15] <amell> what, do you eat budgies or something?
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[19:17] <SpeedEvil> Just chickens, turkey, goose, and duck I think.
[19:17] <fsphil> can't hear it any more
[19:17] <fsphil> oh wait it's still there
[19:20] <amell> whats with all the chase cars? are they chasing each other
[19:21] <fsphil> habby races
[19:21] <amell> i presume no launches today
[19:21] <amell> eduhab1 - not seen announce for that
[19:22] <edusupport> amell I was testing for the launch on the 4th
[19:22] <amell> 4th eh. very good. i might have something to listen to soon then :)
[19:23] <edusupport> amell are you launching the pawan 100g
[19:23] <fsphil> there is a launch tomorrow amell
[19:23] <amell> edusupport: when i get gas. and the wind goes the right way
[19:23] <amell> fsphil: yeah, but i dont think I will hear it. its going the other way
[19:24] <edusupport> I launched one last sunday
[19:24] <fsphil> how near are you?
[19:24] <amell> the pawan 100g 5-pack is ordered.
[19:24] <fsphil> I regularly track cambridge launches from about 500km away
[19:24] <amell> i shall certainly listen out for it
[19:25] <amell> not sure if i will pick it out of the noise. its just a lowly sdr.
[19:25] <amell> got a habamp, but my SMAs are all wrong.
[19:26] <amell> whoever thought of rp-sma should be shot
[19:26] <fsphil> +1
[19:29] <edusupport> I get almost everything inside the blue circle with an sdr no amp and a 15 ele yagi and im quite near the city but quite high up
[19:30] <amell> yagi being the operative. Mine is an X-50 clone
[19:30] <edusupport> Yes
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[19:33] <edusupport> Thats what made the difference the watson w300 is of no use heretoo much noise
[19:38] <amell> not reasonable for me to go and adjust yagi direction every time a hab floats by
[19:38] <amell> which is usually quite common here, when the wind is right
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/rotator-for-ham-radio-/141296662021?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones_Communication_Radio_Antennas&hash=item20e5eff605
[19:46] <amell> this piece of detritus doesnt seem to make any allowance for vertical rotation
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[19:48] <edusupport> mine is fixed just elevated slightly about 5 deg seems ok
[19:48] <amell> how long is it?
[19:48] <LeoBodnar> i think Watson used to make isotropic atenna at some point
[19:48] <amell> i dont think id get the sweep in the loft.
[19:49] <amell> and i think the neighbours would be concerned if they saw a yagi outside sweeping the sky at hab speed.
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[19:51] <edusupport> 2.1 mtrs
[19:51] <edusupport> Diamond
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[20:04] <jcoxon> yay ISEE3 is a live!
[20:04] <jcoxon> http://spacecollege.org/isee3/we-are-now-in-command-of-the-isee-3-spacecraft.html
[20:04] <fsphil> oh wow
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[20:06] <arko> yeah
[20:06] <arko> was about to just post that to pjm
[20:06] <arko> crazy!
[20:09] <fsphil> impressive stuff
[20:09] <fsphil> hopefully they can still fire the engine
[20:09] <arko> yeah
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[20:10] <LeoBodnar> oh, crowdfunding
[20:10] <LeoBodnar> such a pity it worked
[20:11] <Willdude123> LeoBodnar, who's crowdfunding?
[20:12] <arko> http://www.rockethub.com/42228
[20:13] <jcoxon> i contributed
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[20:14] <SgtBurned> Hey guys!
[20:14] <LeoBodnar> we should have launched our own long time ago
[20:14] <fsphil> ukhas-sat-1
[20:15] <LeoBodnar> -01
[20:15] <LeoBodnar> think big
[20:18] <Laurenceb> hah rocketbub
[20:18] <Laurenceb> *hub
[20:18] <Laurenceb> seriously...
[20:18] <Laurenceb> i wouldnt have imagined there are enough projects
[20:19] <LeoBodnar> image Apollo program croudfunded
[20:19] <Laurenceb> wait wut
[20:19] <Laurenceb> this is nothing to do with rockets
[20:19] <LeoBodnar> or French revolution
[20:20] <Laurenceb> i was imagining kickstarter for rockoons
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> rockstarter
[20:20] <fsphil> lunar cubesat
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> or kickoons
[20:21] <fsphil> with a tiny ion engine
[20:21] <fsphil> might take years to get into lunar orbit
[20:21] <arko> do it like INSPIRE
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[20:22] <arko> man, im having so much trouble finding powerpc 750 dev kit
[20:23] <fsphil> that's an odd requirement
[20:23] <LeoBodnar> arko psst, here mate, can you get us a launch slot cheaply?
[20:23] <arko> ;)
[20:23] <fsphil> lol
[20:23] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
[20:23] <fsphil> sneak us onto the next mars bound craft
[20:23] <arko> fsphil: yeah, i know, i need a powerpc 750 testbed that will work with vxworks
[20:24] <arko> UKHAS on mars by 2020
[20:24] <LeoBodnar> 750? is it still under Motorola?
[20:24] <arko> yeah
[20:24] <arko> it might be IBM
[20:24] <arko> actually
[20:24] <fsphil> I've a ppc mac that I can't do anything with
[20:24] <arko> ah
[20:24] <arko> IBM actually yeah
[20:24] <fsphil> it's currently acting as a paper weight
[20:24] <arko> fsphil: sadly the powermac G3 isnt an option
[20:24] <arko> haha, as a mac should
[20:24] Action: arko throws out fighting words
[20:24] <fsphil> it's a very stylish paper weight
[20:25] <arko> lol
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[20:26] <LeoBodnar> 15 years ago you could have just emailed engineers @apple.com and they'd help you
[20:26] <arko> those were the days man
[20:26] <fsphil> or call into the workshop
[20:26] <arko> apple use to be a great company
[20:26] <fsphil> have a beer with them
[20:27] <arko> and now they just bought Dr. Dre's Beats....
[20:27] <arko> they became the sellouts they talked shit about back then
[20:27] <LeoBodnar> has 750 been used in iMacs and Mac Mini?
[20:27] <arko> yeah
[20:27] <arko> original iMacs
[20:27] <arko> powermac G3's
[20:27] <mfa298> cm13g09: pong
[20:27] <arko> i dont think the mac minis
[20:27] <fsphil> the mac mini might have came after
[20:27] <Laurenceb> someone seriously needs to do a cubesat with FEEP
[20:28] <LeoBodnar> oh, i have overclocked them in hw
[20:28] <Laurenceb> it could be epic
[20:28] <arko> yeah, in think thats intel era
[20:28] <fsphil> I got the last ppc mac mini
[20:28] <arko> G5?
[20:28] <fsphil> 1.5ghz
[20:28] <arko> neat
[20:28] <fsphil> erm, not sure
[20:28] <fsphil> G4
[20:28] <arko> 1.25 GHz or 1.42 GHz PowerPC G4 (7447A)
[20:29] <Laurenceb> lol you could get an ARM board that will eat that alive
[20:29] <arko> Laurenceb: thats not the point of this
[20:29] <fsphil> some of the 1.42's came with 1.5ghz at the end
[20:29] <fsphil> I think they just wanted rid of them
[20:29] <mfa298> I saw an interesting piece about apple buying beats the other day. The suggestion seemed to be not so much that they wanted the technology. they wanted the music streaming and associated userbase to compete with the likes of spotift.
[20:29] <LeoBodnar> i think iMacs and Mini used G4
[20:29] <arko> yeah
[20:30] <arko> there were G3 iMacs though
[20:30] <fsphil> I think debian still do ppc releases
[20:30] <LeoBodnar> candy colors?
[20:30] <arko> flower power
[20:30] <arko> lol
[20:30] <amell> powerpc 750 - gosh that takes me back
[20:30] <LeoBodnar> there was Yellowdog Linux for G3
[20:30] <arko> blue dalmatian
[20:30] <arko> LeoBodnar: oh yeah!
[20:31] <amell> the performa 5200 was a piece of crud.
[20:31] <LeoBodnar> oh dear, i need to apply for "right to forget" http://www.novahq.net/forum/showthread.php?t=23118
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[20:32] <amell> why would you want to forget your halcyon days?
[20:33] <LeoBodnar> i could have had B-900 if I used the time wisely
[20:34] <amell> I overclocked a centris 650 using A/UX once.
[20:34] <arko> lol
[20:34] <amell> frightening that this was like 20 years ago :(
[20:36] <myself> heh. talking to a girl the other night about dialup internet. "wow, really? i was in diapers!"
[20:36] <cm13g09> mfa298: didn't see your pong lol
[20:36] <amell> did you bore her with tales of uucp and fidonet?
[20:36] <cm13g09> too busy in here I swear...
[20:36] <myself> i did a real quick doubletake, counted the gray hairs, aand sighed. heh.
[20:36] <amell> on the other hand that does predate dialup internet.
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[20:38] <amell> uucp and bang paths was excellent
[20:39] <amell> am i talking to myself here. does anyone else here know what bang paths were?
[20:39] <LeoBodnar> all good people used uucp and BBSes
[20:39] <LeoBodnar> and FidoNet of course
[20:40] <fsphil> I was just a bit too late for fidonet
[20:40] <LeoBodnar> you haven't missed much
[20:40] <myself> i used fidonet, though i don't remember my old zone and node address.
[20:40] <mfa298> I've come across uucp but not really old enough to have used it
[20:41] <fsphil> there was some coverage of it in the old amiga mags
[20:41] <amell> one used to be able to work out what baud rate was being negotiated in modem sequences.
[20:41] <amell> then it got complicated :(
[20:41] <amell> just by listening
[20:42] <LeoBodnar> you can put that on CV but it won't get appreciated
[20:42] <fsphil> hah
[20:42] <fsphil> "can send a fax by whistling"
[20:42] <arko> lol
[20:42] <myself> heh. my ham license got a comment during my last interview.
[20:43] <arko> whistling dtmf
[20:43] <amell>  why dont you have a grey beard?"
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[20:43] <mfa298> I do have a book from one uni course where the guy listed an alternative messaging system (I think novell) where the address was pretty much the reverse of the email address
[20:43] <myself> apparently they wanted someone who knew which end of a BNC connector to hammer in..
[20:43] <myself> i can whistle/hum dtmf :p
[20:44] <LeoBodnar> Somebody was able to bluebox by whistling
[20:44] <amell> I got hauled up in court for redboxing once&
[20:44] <LeoBodnar> Woz knew who
[20:44] <arko> yeah
[20:44] <amell> I wont put this on my CV
[20:44] <arko> oh man
[20:44] <arko> i forgot i have a bluebox
[20:44] <arko> built it a few years ago at a bbq
[20:44] <arko> good times
[20:44] <myself> heh. everyone got ToneDef on their phone now?
[20:45] <amell> just looked it up to remind myself. 1000 Hz tone for 200 ms represents a 10p coin, and 1000 Hz for 350 ms represents a 50p coin.
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[20:45] <myself> i was confusing the conference call at work the other day, playing busy signals into the audio while waiting for the presenter to join :)
[20:45] <amell> this was on the payphones in the student halls
[20:46] <daveake> I did my 1-3-1 at GEC Telecomms. The payphone where we lived never took much money :)
[20:46] <daveake> For a while it was wired so that you could put money in by dialling during the call
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:48] <mikestir> amell: have you seen this? http://www.windytan.com/2012/11/the-sound-of-dialup-pictured.html
[20:49] <amell> mikestir: aha :) music to my ears!
[20:49] <myself> heheheh
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> arko, so ICE gets back to Earth when I understand it correctly?
[20:50] <amell> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4fphtrgrnksfuf6/dialup-final.png - an excellent explanation
[20:50] <arko> Lunar_Lander: huh?
[20:51] <arko> i dont think a spacecraft is waiting for you to understand it before returning
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> well I meant they won't let it hit the moon or fly away again
[20:53] <amell> where is this spacecraft btw?
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> good question
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> it is approaching earth on some way
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[20:56] <amell> 50km lunar flyby is mentioned
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[20:57] <amell> 20 year old Jacob Gold is writing computer code to communicate with the spacecraft, if he does not succeed he will not have another chance until he is 50
[21:00] <ian__> Shhh, put out the bins quietly fsphil, you are waking the chicks . . . or is it the wife parking the car . . . ?
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[21:02] <fsphil> neighbours are moving some boxes
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[21:12] <ian__> Heh
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[21:16] <amell> fantastic read http://www.npr.org/2014/03/18/289628696/space-thief-or-hero-one-mans-quest-to-reawaken-an-old-friend
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[21:30] <pjm> ah isee-3 is alive! interesting
[21:31] <pjm> http://pjm.uhf-satcom.com/twtr/isee2.jpg may be a detection of its downlink
[21:31] <arko> nice!
[21:32] <myself> whoah.
[21:33] <pjm> it may not be it
[21:33] <pjm> so dont go mad just yet!!
[21:33] <pjm> need to get some independant obs to confirm it
[21:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is that todays results ? I thought I saw that a week or two back now ?
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[21:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh yes justseen the time markers !
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[21:36] <arko> its actually pretty amazing that its ok
[21:37] <arko> considering the time that has passed
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[21:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> I suspect a lot of the electronics are a lot more rugged than we have now think of the reduction in sizes in the last 40 years
[21:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> the chance of damaging radiation is a lot less given the physical sizes, and no software to go wrong either!
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[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> nice
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> well on the website they wrote they established two-way contact today
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[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> http://spacecollege.org/isee3/we-are-now-in-command-of-the-isee-3-spacecraft.html
[21:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> see the blog dated may22 its was -45db
[21:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://images.spaceref.com/news/spacecollege/balint.22may.1.png
[21:42] <SpeedEvil> -bignum is nice
[21:45] <pjm> so that fft plot seems to show that it would be about 19KHz lower in freq that computed
[21:45] <pjm> my guess is they would have set the d/c so that 2270.427MHZ appeard at 260MHz IF
[21:46] <pjm> but the actual detection was at 259.981
[21:46] <pjm> my computed freq today was 2270.427 with the detection appearing at 2270.408
[21:46] <pjm> about 19KHz lower too...
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ - 4h till reveal of dragon human version
[21:47] <arko> its going to be a really really big slingshot
[21:47] <arko> legit sources told me so
[21:47] <lz1dev> or a giant cannon
[21:48] <myself> elbonian-designed?
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[21:50] Action: SpeedEvil ponders.
[21:56] <amell> id love to read the comms protocol spec for isee3
[21:57] <myself> it's written in gaelic
[22:01] <SgtBurned> Manned Dragon capsule?
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[22:02] <SpeedEvil> SpaceX - they have a commercially desiged capsule that's delivering cargo to ISS
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[22:03] <SpeedEvil> They are unveiling the manned variant. Perhaps with rocket landing.
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[22:06] <amell> grasshopper derivative?
[22:07] <SpeedEvil> No.
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> It's a capsule to carry people
[22:08] <amell> DragonFly?
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[22:13] <SpeedEvil> Dragonfly is the variant wigh the propulsive landing
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> With enough propulsion to ascend to 7000 feet and come back down
[22:14] <SIbot> In real units: 7000 ft = 2134 m
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[22:15] <cnelson> 7000 feet
[22:15] <SIbot> In real units: 7000 ft = 2134 m
[22:15] <cnelson> 1/8 oz
[22:15] <cnelson> 1 oz
[22:15] <cnelson> 1 ounce
[22:15] <amell> 1/16th inch
[22:15] <amell> 1/16 inches
[22:15] <amell> lame
[22:16] <amell> 2000 miles
[22:16] <cnelson> 1 foot
[22:16] <cnelson> 1 feet
[22:16] <SIbot> In real units: 1 ft = 0.30 m
[22:16] <cnelson> 1 ounces
[22:16] <amell> 90 farenheit
[22:16] <amell> 90F
[22:17] <cnelson> that one you can do in your head, heh
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[22:38] <lz1dev> 7 inch
[22:38] <lz1dev> 7 in
[22:38] <lz1dev> 7'
[22:38] <lz1dev> im disapointed SIbot
[22:43] <KF7FER> 7"
[22:43] <KF7FER> (just a guess)
[22:45] <Laurenceb> sqrt(-1) feet
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[22:47] <lz1dev> this arbitrary units are not working
[22:47] <lz1dev> and so is my grammer
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[23:24] <craag> SIbot is a bit limited - but it's on github, pull requests are welcome :)
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[23:47] <WillTablet> craag: what language is it in?
[23:48] <malclocke> JS
[23:48] <malclocke> last commit 'Add fahrenheit, disable for now.' :)
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