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[05:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> morning All
[05:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> please extend validity of 'sp9uob' flight doc
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[07:02] <UpuWork> I'm here SP9UOB-Work
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[07:02] <LeoBodnar> I think Tom is looking for doc extension
[07:02] <UpuWork> yeah I know
[07:02] <UpuWork> I don't know how to do it
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[07:08] <SP9UOB-Work> UpuWork: can You extend flight doc?
[07:08] <SP9UOB-Work> a i see
[07:09] <SP9UOB-Work> ah i see
[07:10] <UpuWork> nope sorry
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[07:15] <SP9UOB-Work> UpuWork: i was asked at #habhub but no answer :-(
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[07:28] <SP9UOB-work> UpuWork: please put on the map: sp9uob / 144.250 MHz / DOMEX16
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[07:29] <UpuWork> ?
[07:29] <UpuWork> oh
[07:29] <UpuWork> rgr
[07:30] <UpuWork> done
[07:35] <SP9UOB-work> thanks
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[08:13] <sp2ipt> LZ1NY: *ping* sp9uob is waiting ;)
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[08:14] <SP9UOB-work> sp2ipt: indeed :-)
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[08:35] <LeoBodnar> washing machine http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/172750_trj001.gif
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[08:36] <amell> strange weather!
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[08:49] <amell> new anarduino boards arrived from the US this morning. god they are tiny. Need a microscope.
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[08:50] <LeoBodnar> anarduino?
[08:51] <LeoBodnar> is there a spelling error somewhere?
[08:51] <amell> no :)
[08:51] <LeoBodnar> s/r/l/
[08:51] <amell> http://www.anarduino.com/miniwireless/
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[09:00] <mikestir-work> lol LeoBodnar sounds about right
[09:00] <mikestir-work> haha I thought for a moment those were breakout boards for a breakout board, but I see there's some gubbins on the bottom too
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[09:02] <amell> radio on the bottom.
[09:02] <amell> saves me a lot of hassle.
[09:02] <mikestir-work> which radio did you go for?
[09:02] <amell> oh, btw, this isnt for HAB
[09:03] <mikestir-work> oh is this for your rocket thing?
[09:03] <amell> RFM69HW-868 - yes
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[09:04] <amell> got everything now, just need to patch it all together with the gps from upu. need a microscope first though as i cant read the writing on board!
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[09:05] <en4rab> Is the arduino favored for this because of its ease of use? Im lurking here because id like to try a pico baloon but the msp430 seemed like it would offer better power saving
[09:06] <amell> this isnt for hab, i am sure there would be problems with my approach for hab.
[09:06] <amell> power saving always a good goal.
[09:06] <en4rab> amell I have a cheap andonstar usb microscope which cost £35 its quite good for a toy, it was reviewed on eevblog
[09:07] <mfa298> en4rab: a lot of people have started with arduino as it makes for a simpler route into microcontrollers for beginners
[09:07] <amell> i tried soldering with a usb microscope. pain in the ass, cos the picture is like in a different place. confusing. I will get used to it.
[09:07] <LZ1NY> sp2ipt .... So sorry !! I am away from my shack! No one at home to turn on the Radio. I can access PC , but cant press on/off remotely
[09:07] <mfa298> others have gone direct to their preferred uC
[09:07] <en4rab> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2P1_JZYnVc the eevblog review
[09:08] <amell> i also melted the front of the microscope, with heat from iron
[09:10] <en4rab> amell the andonstar has a reasonable working distance, not like the kids 400x fat marker pen style ones you get for £15
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[09:11] <en4rab> i got an olimexino-5510 in the post to play with today, an arduino style msp430 board https://www.olimex.com/Products/Duino/MSP430/OLIMEXINO-5510/open-source-hardware
[09:13] <amell> good prices at this place!
[09:15] <en4rab> im not sure if the 5510 is supported by energia or not but if it is its basically arduino for msp430
[09:15] <sp2ipt> LZ1NY: ok, let's hope it makes new funny dance near your location :)
[09:16] <en4rab> http://energia.nu/ Wiring/Arduino for the 430
[09:17] <mikestir-work> do you really need a library to do IO on an msp430/avr/$OTHER? it's like 2 lines of code
[09:17] <mikestir-work> in assembly language
[09:18] <en4rab> im crap at code and i like arduino as its easy to make stuff that actually works
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[09:20] <LZ1NY> sp2ipt Have a nice day , 73!
[09:21] <sp2ipt> LZ1NY: it'd be nice if I had air conditioning at work now :) That's all I need for the moment :D
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[09:22] <mfa298> I think arduino adds a load of stuff to make things appear easier - and possibly also help protect the user from doing silly stuff.
[09:24] <amell_> I used to code ARM assembly in the old days when everyone did assembly
[09:24] <en4rab> ARM asm is horrible
[09:24] <mfa298> but the hidden complexity adds costs both in terms of execution time and potentally use of limited features (i.e two libraries could be trying to use the same timer/ isr hooks). although I've done very limited stuff with arduino so far.
[09:24] <amell_> Two sides really. Abstraction helps shorten the learning curve
[09:25] <amell_> Assembly with 26 bits was interesting
[09:27] <en4rab> I couldnt put my finger on why but i just found arduino really easy to do stuff, i think it was mostly because there are librarys for just about everything youd want to do
[09:27] <amell_> Abstraction. Shorter learning curve
[09:28] <LeoBodnar> tonnes of buggy unverified code
[09:29] <mikestir-work> amell_: this is true, but it leaves you with a design that you don't actually undestand
[09:29] <mikestir-work> understand*
[09:29] <amell_> I agree. If you have the time to understand it...
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[09:30] <mfa298> having libraries using OO methods may help as well. I can imagine for the beginner if you're just gluing some libraries together and calling methods on objects it makes things look easy whilst hiding the fun stuff away.
[09:31] <mfa298> although C++ for a uC does feel like the wrong way to do it.
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[09:35] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb__: the Sun is at such an angle that envelope obscures solar panels but not the payload body
[09:36] <LeoBodnar> You don't need GPS to calculate rough position with such info
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[10:40] <Laurenceb> B-52 seems to be suffering from runaway altitude
[10:41] <Laurenceb> but htis happened before and it recovered
[10:41] <Laurenceb> very odd
[10:50] <nats`> zOMG new TI website has now comments section on product.... kiackstarter style -_-
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[11:11] <LZ1NY> sp2ipt *ping* Are you here?
[11:12] <sp2ipt> LZ1NY: yep
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[11:14] <LZ1NY> Hi, pllease tell me QRG and mode? 144.250? Dominox16?
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[11:16] <LZ1NY> sp2ipt 144.250? DominoEX16?
[11:17] <sp2ipt> LZ1NY: yes
[11:17] <sp2ipt> LZ1NY: autoconfig works, you'll just have to select dominoex payload instead of SP9UOB-LOG
[11:18] <sp2ipt> LZ1NY: frequency is stable so you won't have to retune the radio
[11:18] <LZ1NY> ok
[11:20] <LZ1NY> sp2ipt I did so...but nothing yet
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[11:25] <sp2ipt> LZ1NY: there's a chance you're just too late. If the speed was the same as with the last frame on habitat then you just may be out of range :/
[11:26] <sp2ipt> LZ1NY: if you now have direct access to the radio try to listen with your ear - it transmits bost domino and cw
[11:26] <sp2ipt> let's home guys from SV wake up :)
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[11:38] <Laurenceb> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/176915_trj001.gif
[11:39] Nick change: GargantuaSauce_ -> GargantuaSauce
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[11:50] <amell> is sp9uob solar? i ask as batt=1.43v
[11:50] <Laurenceb> amell: you are receiving again?
[11:51] <amell> regrettably my antenna cannot reach as far as turkey
[11:51] <Laurenceb> spacenear says 1.3v
[11:52] <amell> Dont worry about it. I just clicked on the wrong point ;)
[11:52] <Laurenceb> looks like AA and very good power management to me
[11:55] <x-f_> Tom said, it has no solar power, just AA
[11:55] Nick change: x-f_ -> x-f
[12:04] <aadamson> mikestir, mikestir-work I had a nagging challenge... My total board stop current was 2mA... last night I figured out what the 2mA was and with 2 i2c commands, fixed it... No my total stop current is 0.000A :)
[12:04] <sp2ipt> and the measurement inaccuracy is? ;)
[12:05] <aadamson> the dpll was configured for 1 output and even though I had the S0 pin in standby mode, it was still pulling 2mA... when I realized that I also needed to toggle the standby bit, that 2mA went away :)
[12:05] <aadamson> sp2ipt, I'm using a uA meter
[12:05] <aadamson> and yes, I'm actually at 500uA
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[12:05] <aadamson> but that vs. 2mA was a big finding
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[12:06] <aadamson> I left my board beaconing every 4 minutes (aprs) overnight and You'd be surprised and how much difference that made
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[12:08] <PE2G> GA all, the De Bilt ozone sonde is up: http://nl.aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FPE2G-11&timerange=10800&tail=10800
[12:08] <PE2G> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=2ff7adf694df8792f52ae179781c033b29b8802b
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[12:09] <PE2G> They try to force a landing on land using a parachute that is too small for the payload
[12:10] <sp2ipt> adamgreig: whith still doesn't explain inacurracy but ok, I get the point :)
[12:19] <LZ1NY> sp2ipt Sorry, audio is not avaiable right now...
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[12:29] <IZ8YMH> Ciao a tutti :P
[12:32] <sp2ipt> LZ1NY: rr, let's hope it will shop up somewhere
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[13:05] <chris_4x1rf> new data from SP9UOB arrived...
[13:08] <sp2ipt> sp9uob lives! :)
[13:08] <chris_4x1rf> what is the transmitter power on SP9UOB?
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[13:10] <sp2ipt> chris_4x1rf: 3mW
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[13:15] <sp2ipt> chris_4x1rf: it was enough to get over 400 km (-0,9 deg elevation) at HAB eight at abt 9 km (diamond x-510 clone, hi-dynamic yu1aw preamplifier + tr-751)
[13:18] <chris_4x1rf> sp2ipt, thanks! I might have a chance :-)
[13:19] <Silver_IV7> Anyone know where I can buy an "Sma Female rg174 to Open"? Can only find them at http://www.rfsolutions.co.uk/acatalog/info_CBA_SMAF_OP.html but not stock
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[13:20] <sp2ipt> Silver_IV7: have you checked ebay? It's called pigtail
[13:21] <Silver_IV7> yeh but same problem with 2 connectors or they're located in hong kong and delivery will be too long
[13:21] <sp2ipt> chris_4x1rf: probably yes :) If you have some preamplifier use it - it'll help overcome ic-7000 noise figure
[13:23] <mattbrejza> http://uk.farnell.com/lprs/rg174-300mm/cable-rg174-300mm/dp/2096226 Silver_IV7
[13:24] <Silver_IV7> Can you just snip the end off that and solder it onto the pcb? I'm debating that vs connector
[13:24] <LeoBodnar> of course
[13:25] <LeoBodnar> if it's not GHz design
[13:26] <sp2ipt> Silver_IV7: look at http://rfmicrowave.it
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[13:27] <sp2ipt> Silver_IV7: rg-316 is also of almost the same diameter
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[13:29] <chris_4x1rf> sp2ipt: yes, using a preamp here followed by a 5 cell helical filter
[13:29] <Silver_IV7> actually does this just fit into 4 holes on a pcb? probably the best / easiest way to do it http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_66&product_id=59
[13:30] <aadamson> Silver_IV7, 5 holes isn't it? 4 for the legs and 1 in the center for the center condutor?
[13:31] <Silver_IV7> yes so it would take up 9 holes really?
[13:31] <sp2ipt> chris_4x1rf: that's great :)
[13:31] <mattbrejza> its the same parts you can get off farnell but no £20 minimum order
[13:31] <aadamson> nine?
[13:31] <Silver_IV7> ah didn't realise the £20 minimum, i'll take a look there
[13:31] <mattbrejza> farnell £20 minium
[13:31] <mattbrejza> habsupplies no minium
[13:31] <mattbrejza> +m
[13:32] <Silver_IV7> oh okay habsupplies it is
[13:32] <mattbrejza> although farnell is free shipping
[13:32] <sp2ipt> oj maybe just try any electronics suplier in you location? Chineese conenectors still work at 70 cm
[13:33] <Silver_IV7> i don't think there's actually that many around here that I know of, we have a maplins ... time for a google
[13:34] <sp2ipt> dunno but chineese shite connectors can be bough in just about any electronics shop in my town :)
[13:34] <sp2ipt> I wouldn't use them anywhere higher than 70 cm but they're available :)
[13:36] <Silver_IV7> 70cm? I'm just using it for the connection between ntx2b and antenna so it's detachable
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[13:37] <astrobiologist> Re: connectors, I was able to get hold of sma-to-pma239 but sma-N types never turned up (at least the chinese vendor refunded me).
[13:37] <mattbrejza> 70cm = 434MHz
[13:37] <Silver_IV7> oh okay it's stuiable for that then
[13:38] <mattbrejza> at higher frequencies shit connectors/cables show themeselves to be shit
[13:38] <mattbrejza> ive seen 1dB ripple in a cable at 5GHz
[13:38] <mattbrejza> was not amused
[13:39] <astrobiologist> mattbrejza how do you test a cable/connector in a hobby setting?
[13:39] <myself> That's somewhat impressive, actually. How'd they make the cable such a good filter? :P
[13:39] <mattbrejza> well 1dB between 5GHz and 6GHz
[13:39] <mattbrejza> astrobiologist: i had a £40k network analyser
[13:40] <astrobiologist> mattbrejza heh, can we come round and borrow it? :-)
[13:40] <mattbrejza> i was only there for a summer im afraid
[13:40] <mattbrejza> not that i could let you use it if i was still there :P
[13:40] <myself> I'm surprised more ham clubs don't have that stuff.
[13:41] <myself> I'm trying to get a contract right now that'll basically make me the caretaker of a $140k instrument which can dumb itself down to be merely a network analyzer. Very much looking forward to the moonlighting. ;)
[13:42] <craag> astrobiologist: The minikits network analysers are rather good if you've got a little cash to burn.
[13:42] <mattbrejza> fairly sure the measurement lab next to me has the kit too, but thats the same for probably most unis
[13:42] <craag> Cheaper than that you're looking at building a simple TDR analyzer that'll basically tell you if there's impedance changes in the cable.
[13:43] <Silver_IV7> noones from kent are they?
[13:43] <astrobiologist> minikits.com.au?
[13:44] <craag> Arggh not minikits
[13:44] <craag> trying to remember the name...
[13:44] <myself> SDR-Kits, the VNWA?
[13:44] <craag> ^^ that's the one
[13:44] <craag> cheers myself
[13:44] <myself> http://sdr-kits.net/VNWA3_Description.html
[13:45] <craag> There's a few floating around the uni here, I managed to borrow one for a weekend and find a few of my BNC cables were not 50 ohms in some places :P
[13:46] <craag> Also got some nice impedance plots of my antennas :)
[13:46] <mattbrejza> theres a spectrium analyser in the 3yp lab that can measure magnitude response
[13:47] <Darkside> a scalar network analyzer :-)
[13:47] <Darkside> (basically)
[13:47] <astrobiologist> http://sdr-kits.net/vnwa3_Description.html doesn't work:-o
[13:47] <Darkside> i.e. a spectrum analyzer with a tracking generator
[13:48] <craag> Proof that a 144mhz 1/4 wave has a good swr at 432: http://pbrd.co/1lGdeK5
[13:49] <astrobiologist> ah, it's case sensitive... has to be VNWA not vnwa
[13:49] <mattbrejza> yea tahts the name of it
[13:50] <mattbrejza> oh you borrowed the little one :P thought someone had let you walk out with an agilent netan for a while there craag
[13:51] <craag> mattbrejza: Haha nope, not yet :P
[13:52] <craag> I know someone who has a 10ghz vna in their shack though
[13:53] <mattbrejza> probably something you have to name on the insurance
[13:53] <craag> Got it with a non-working front panel for a not-small sum of cash and fixed it up.
[13:53] <mattbrejza> there was a specan that went on ebay to £800 or so that needed fixing
[13:53] <mattbrejza> *for
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[13:55] <mattbrejza> craag: much interest on the conference exam this year?
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[13:55] <craag> mattbrejza: A little so far, lots of slots still!
[13:56] <mattbrejza> still a while to go
[13:57] <craag> Yeah.. no list of talks published for the the conf yet and we've already got people signed up!
[13:58] <gonzo_> we have a nice hp 3ghz VNA at the radio club. Was a chuck out that came our way
[13:58] <myself> Nice.
[13:58] <gonzo_> I could do with a denect one and a specan. My old specan is ill
[13:59] <craag> One of the SDR-kits ones will be on the list for the uni club at some point. Being able to instantly diagnose bad cables is so useful.
[13:59] <craag> Especially with students union storage... grrr
[14:00] <mattbrejza> well that should be sorted soon
[14:00] <craag> true :)
[14:00] <gonzo_> I have an old TF 2370, but they are a sod for bad joints on all the plug in boards
[14:00] <mattbrejza> there are some published conf talks? the 50sat?
[14:00] <craag> I think there's going to be a race for that storage mattbrejza
[14:00] <mattbrejza> SHOTGUN
[14:01] <craag> We could fill it easily ;)
[14:01] <mattbrejza> there done :P
[14:01] <gonzo_> with a shotgun, there may not be much protest
[14:01] <mfa298> hang on susu managing to sort sensible storage I'm pretty sure that's been an issue for >10 years
[14:01] <SgtBurned> Any recommendations on a starter receiver thats not a laptop & digital aerial hack.
[14:01] <mfa298> probably >15 years
[14:01] <craag> mfa298: Solution is to avoid susu
[14:01] <mattbrejza> lol you assume too much
[14:01] <craag> We're getting storage in ecs :D
[14:02] <craag> SgtBurned: For 70cm?
[14:02] <mattbrejza> icom r10
[14:02] <mfa298> SgtBurned: some of the wideband scaners can be got fairly cheaply on ebay (mvt-7100 should be <£100) although the various amateur receivers are usually better but likely to cost more
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[14:04] <SgtBurned> Okay thanks.
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[14:15] <sp2ipt> myself: analysers are just waaay expensive :/
[14:16] <sp2ipt> myself: I'm using like 60 year old spectrum analyser because buying something 'new' (like 20 years old ;) just doesn't make sense for a normal ham sue
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[14:16] <sp2ipt> use
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[14:24] <sp2ipt_> BTW just read that some Lithuanian guy was smuggling cigarettes from Russia to Lithuania using a drone. Wonder when HABs will have such use ;)
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[14:26] <gonzo_> a huge market for dumping small packages of cigarettes into the see, or high up in trees
[14:27] Nick change: sp2ipt_ -> sp2ipt
[14:27] <en4rab> http://rt.com/news/159556-drone-smuggling-cigarette-lithuania/ If the FSB cost estimate for the airframe is correct hed make way way more selling drone kits
[14:29] <en4rab> ooh found a pic, that is superbly bodgetastic http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/russians-capture-cigarette-smuggling-drone/
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[14:36] <astrobiologist> is there anybody online who has used the TH-F7E for HAB?
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[14:38] <SilverIV7> what's the coupon for habsupplies? I can't remember it :\
[14:38] <craag> UKHAS
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[14:40] <SilverIV7> Thanks!
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[14:50] <thasti> has anyone experience with those very small GPS chip antennas? like 0805 size, for example pulse w3011a ?
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[14:54] <astrobiologist> Craag can you remember who used the TH-F7E?
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[14:55] <craag> astrobiologist: Not sure, mfa298 ?
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[14:56] <astrobiologist> thanks craaag, is he online now?
[14:57] <craag> He's around but working - so be patient. He has something that looks similar but not sure if its that one.
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[15:58] <en4rab> An article on todays register that might be of interest http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/22/edge_research_lab/
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[16:21] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/181678_trj001.gif
[16:21] <Laurenceb__> loopy time
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[16:22] <LeoBodnar> your rainfall figures are much confuse
[16:23] <Laurenceb__> yeah it should have rained this afternoon
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[16:24] <Laurenceb__> into Georgia
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[16:25] <LeoBodnar> gomarjoba B-52
[16:25] <LeoBodnar> RH was only 30% though
[16:26] <Laurenceb__> looks like this will be a good flight to test endurance
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[16:26] <LeoBodnar> so raindrops were supposed to be falling from above
[16:27] <Laurenceb__> might get up to 2 weeks of continuous reception
[16:27] <LeoBodnar> i am very curious when He would diffuse
[16:28] <Laurenceb__> yeah
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[16:42] <Laurenceb__> http://rt.com/news/159256-uk-defense-gps-compass/
[16:42] <Laurenceb__> wut
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[16:45] <myself> Yeah, that's pretty content-free.. lemme see if it's been mentioned on time-nuts
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[16:45] <Laurenceb__> yeah
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[17:24] <arko> nice to see B-52 flying about :)
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[17:27] <arko> woah! SP9UOB in turkey too!
[17:27] <arko> very cool
[17:27] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[17:28] <Maxell> yeah SP9UOB with bigger battery then normal I think
[17:29] <Maxell> impressive flight
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[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
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[18:13] <S_Mark> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B18OODqPJJg This is why helium is expensive now
[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> hi DL1SGP and S_Mark
[18:15] <Lunar_Lander> XD ceiling covered in balloons
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[18:25] <IZ8YMH> Ciao a tutti :)))
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[18:28] <LeoBodnar> buonasera
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> hello :)
[18:31] <IZ8YMH> ciao Leo
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[18:39] <malgar> ciao IZ8YMH
[18:39] <malgar> pm
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[19:08] <json34> How can i set spv1040 for 4.2v battery?
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[19:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
[19:08] <json34> Hi
[19:08] <json34> Tom
[19:08] <json34> Great flight
[19:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: http://goo.gl/maps/4QFcj habitat "live" and backlog comparsion :-)
[19:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> json34: thanks
[19:09] <json34> Tom ,what battery type are you using?
[19:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> json34: ordinary energizer lithium AA
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[19:10] <json34> Solar powered?
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[19:21] <malgar> cioa FlySoHigh
[19:22] <FlySoHigh> ciao!
[19:22] <malgar> why nobody is using 2.4 GHz to send live pictures?
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> Because the antennas you need are huge
[19:24] <myself> search terms like "power bandwidth gain signal noise" might help you get started understanding why.
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> +OFCOM
[19:24] <myself> ahh, that depends on your jurisdiction, I'm talking about your universe. :)
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[19:27] <malgar> tnx
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[19:27] <malgar> SpeedEvil: how much huge?
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[19:30] <SpeedEvil> malgar: Couple of meters
[19:31] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-4m-8ft-C-Ku-Band-Prime-Focus-Polar-Mount-Solid-Satellite-Dish-/331153372477?pt=US_Antennas_Dishes&hash=item4d1a47753d
[19:31] <SIbot> In real units: 8 ft = 2.44 m
[19:34] <myself> malgar: How much gain do you need to be able to receive the weak-ass signal that balloon batteries can transmit, with enough SNR to recover the high-ass bit-rate required to handle live video?
[19:34] <myself> Your inputs are in milliwatts, dB, and hertz. Your answer is in dB. Crunch.
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[19:59] <FlySoHigh> good night friends
[20:00] <Upu> night
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[20:00] <malgar> FlySoHigh: good night
[20:00] <lz1ny_> GN!
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[20:11] <JamesR__> Hi, anyone tell me what altitude I should be aiming for to get a nice space shot, with curvature of earth?
[20:12] <Laurenceb> i think we need a time warp system to test Leos balloons
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[20:13] <chrisstubbs> JamesR, http://bit.ly/1i8UQYW was from 24km
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[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> there is actually a formula for a theoretical horizon at a given altitude
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[20:17] <lz1ny_> Using fisheye lenses you can see (fake) curvature even on ground level :-) http://www.juzaphoto.com/shared_files/articles/sigma_fish_fullframe/8-full.jpg
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:19] <myself> rule of thumb seems to be 50,000ft to 65,000ft to get black sky and curved horizon
[20:19] <SIbot> In real units: 50,000 ft = 15 km
[20:19] <myself> http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1726/1
[20:19] <myself> oh, the exasperation!
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[20:22] <SpeedEvil> Quite. It's not a proper space balloon unless it's at 40km+
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[20:24] <LeoBodnar> http://www.thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf
[20:25] <LeoBodnar> it's a wasted space of a balloon below 40km
[20:27] <JamesR__> And for a ~1kg payload what size balloon should I go for?
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[20:27] <SpeedEvil> 1kg is quite a large payload
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[20:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> JamesR, See http://habhub.org/calc/
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[20:37] <SpeedEvil> Horizon calculators are common. Divide 40000km by the horizon in km, to get the fraction of 360 degrees your horizon curves by. 400km horizon is .01 of a circle - 3.6 degree 'bend'
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[20:58] <edusupport> Is a scanner + yagi any good for locating payloads on the ground
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[20:59] <Laurenceb> B-52 coming over the mountain range
[20:59] <Laurenceb> i bet there little updraft in these conditions
[21:00] <mikestir> edusupport: a scanner with ssb yes
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[21:01] <edusupport> Ok thx
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[21:02] <mikestir> use headphones to make it easier to spot the tones in the noise
[21:02] <mikestir> you'll be able to get a bearing even if you can't decode a position
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[21:11] <amell> sp9uob appears to be chasing b52
[21:12] <amell> and does rv6fw know b52 is transitioning his domain
[21:13] <amell> and when is B53 departing our shores?
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[21:16] <mfa298> you've probably got a better chance of getting the lottery numbers in advance of the draw than knowing when the next Leo balloon will escape
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[21:17] <SpeedEvil> HAven't most of his launches been weekends?
[21:17] <DL7AD> good evening!
[21:18] <mikestir> I've wasted my entire evening tonight waiting for my Windows VM to boot up
[21:18] <mikestir> just so I can run ucenter
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[21:20] <sp2ipt> wonder if sp9uob will survive the night. Voltage dropped to 1.18 :/
[21:30] <SpeedEvil> I assume lithium-AA
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[21:33] <sp2ipt> yep, Energizer
[21:34] <tweetBot> @AnthonyStirk: Amazing shot from a balloon from the recent @GSBChallenge #ukhas http://t.co/s51tG3lFyE
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[21:53] <Laurenceb> http://www.paconsulting.com/about-us/client-results/
[21:53] <Laurenceb> arg wtf website
[21:54] <craag> oh god
[21:54] <craag> that's awful
[21:54] <craag> so juddery on my netbook too
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[21:54] <craag> cpu fan spun up
[21:56] <amell> that website is silky smooth here but wtf.
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[21:57] <chris_4x1rf> new data from SP9UOB
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[22:04] <sp2ipt> chris_4x1rf: warm up the lna ;)
[22:05] <chris_4x1rf> turned East, what's the chance it will head up North tomorrow?
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[22:08] <chris_4x1rf> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10280270/HAB/SP9UOB_22052014_1722z.gif
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[22:09] <sp2ipt> that back-to-the-north would be insane :)
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[22:11] <sp2ipt> bedtime, night all
[22:11] <chris_4x1rf> any estimate on the Energizer time left?
[22:12] <sp2ipt> Tom expects it to last through the night and also tomorrow during the day
[22:13] <chris_4x1rf> oh, that's tough! Will try anyway... GN all...
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